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7/13/2018

Rosenstein Presser and Indictments

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:37 pm

There should probably be a separate thread for this. It seemed like what Mueller should be doing, and I thought Rosenstein’s statement about putting partisanship aside was compelling.

Your thoughts below.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

324 Responses to “Rosenstein Presser and Indictments”

  1. Rosenstein is one of the poster boys for partisanship. Believing anything from the department of justice is blind partisanship.

    mg (0d66b4)

  2. The department of justice and the fbi need to be shut down. Obama and his hoodlums did nothing but lie about Russian interference in the last election.

    mg (0d66b4)

  3. Are you talking about this Rosenstein?

    WASHINGTON — Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, has asked federal prosecutors to help review the government documents of Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh, President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, according to a letter obtained by The New York Times on Wednesday.
    Mr. Rosenstein’s request was an unusual insertion of politics into federal law enforcement. While the Justice Department has helped work on previous Supreme Court nominations, department lawyers in Washington typically carry out that task, not prosecutors who pursue criminal investigations nationwide.
    But in an email sent this week to the nation’s 93 United States attorneys, Mr. Rosenstein asked each office to provide up to three federal prosecutors “who can make this important project a priority for the next several weeks.” Names were to be submitted to Mr. Rosenstein’s office by the end of Wednesday.

    Former law enforcement officials described Mr. Rosenstein’s directive as a troubling precedent.
    “It’s flat-out wrong to have career federal prosecutors engaged in a political process like the vetting of a Supreme Court nominee,” said Christopher Hunter, a former F.B.I. agent and federal prosecutor who is running for Congress. “It takes them away from the mission they’re supposed to be fulfilling, which is effective criminal justice enforcement.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  4. And don’t forget the NYT, nk.

    felipe (023cc9)

  5. rosytwat so dirty

    there’s not enough purell in the whole mall

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. Impeach this freak

    mg (0d66b4)

  7. Criminal indictments (with zero chance of convictions) from what should be a national security counterintelligence probe? Idiotic kabuki BS.

    Daiwa (2a0965)

  8. A bunch of ‘burglars’ indicted for breaking in to the DNC?!?

    Wow.

    Front page news! And on page five, the ’72 Pinto’s over at Potomac Ford are just under $2,000!

    “It’s déjà vu all over again.” – Yogi Berra

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. Well, you know it proves — this indictment proves that we never needed a special counsel,” Dershowitz replied.

    He continued on: This indictment could have been brought by ordinary prosecutors, ordinary FBI agents. There’s no conflict here. It’s Russians they are going after. There is no president; There’s no people around the president; There’s no conflict between the attorney general, the deputy attorney general and Americans — It’s all Russians. Why do we need to spend 20, 30, 40 million dollars, have special counsel appointed to do a routine national security investigation?

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/dershowitz-on-muellers-indictment-of-12-russians-it-proves-that-we-never-needed-a-special-counsel/

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  10. This is an incredibly stupid move on Mueller/Rosenstein’s part. We’re going to indict the uniformed military personnel of a foreign nation who work at a cyber command whose job it is to conduct cyber espionage/warfare? There is nothing classified about this; we have a U.S. Cyber command. It’s located at NSA headquarters in Fort Meade, MD. What do you imagine they do for a living? Oh, but we don’t need to worry about retaliation. What U.S. cyber command does is legal under U.S. law. As long as what we do is legal under U.S. law then that’s all we need to worry about.

    For instance, when the U.S. directly interfered in the Israeli election in 2015 by by funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars to an overtly political organization OneVoice the State Department claimed it never knew they intended to use the money for political purposes. Even though the group actively campaigns for the Israeli left every election cycle and the group sent emails to key personnel at the US embassy in Tel Aviv detailing how it was going to use the money to campaign against Netanyahu (the official official at the embassy says he routinely violates the Open Records Act by deleting emails with large attachments without reading them and if you believe that I’ve got a Peter Strzok to sell you). One of their uses for the money was to hire campaign consultants that consist largely of Obama’s 2008/2012 campaign and still maintain political ties to Obama.

    Yup, OneVoice told the State Department that they were going to hire Jim Messina, Obama’s Deputy Chief of Staff during his first term, his campaign manager during his second term, and who still works with Obama because the ex-Preezy has been far more active behind the scenes organizing #TheResistance than you know. And around this front man they were going to get the whole band back together. And it wasn’t until Congress investigated US interference in the Israeli election that the State Dept. even heard about it. In their finest SGT. Schultz imitation they knew nothing.

    And of course Obama didn’t know anything about it until it was in the news.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

    What did the Congressional investigation conclude? The Obama administration didn’t break any US laws.

    Guess what? The GRU broke no Russian laws. What court is going to apply the famous “It’s only legal when we do it” standard to cyber espionage? We have a Russian military cyber unit on Russian soil doing exactly what the US cyber unit on US soil does to our adversaries, but they broke the law and we aren’t? One of the more brain-dead arguments against using enhanced interrogation techniques against terrorist detainees is that then they’d be justified waterboarding any US prisoners. Really? The terrorists who burn captured Jordanian pilots alive take their moral cues from us? I suppose there are people who are stupid enough to believe that, but here we are indicting foreign military personnel for doing to us what our military does to them. And we no longer have to worry about retaliation, why?

    Clearly the FBI/DoJ have a lot to cover up for the Obama administration. This is actually a
    cyber security issue. Does anyone remember the massive C

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  11. Old rosey looked guilty talking to us like a catholic nun during lent

    mg (0d66b4)

  12. CHICOM hack into GSA personnel records, specifically a treasure trove of personal information on anyone who applied for a TS/SCI clearance since I believe the year 2000? I do.

    Now, first of all someone tell me why someone hacking into the DNC/Clinton campaign servers is an act of war but a foreign government hacking into federal government system and stealing information that can be used to compromise civilian and military personnel with high level security clearances isn’t? I’m just curious about that.

    Second, the Soviets had been meddling in our elections since shortly after the October Revolution of 1917. That’s an exaggeration but not by much. What we have is a combination of two things. The Obama administration refused to take cyber security seriously, as even after massive security breaches (let’s not forget the GSA breach wasn’t the only one on their watch; someone also hacked into the WH system, for instance) they did little or nothing to improve our cyber security capabilities. And Obama refused to take the Russian threat seriously. Per the indictment they first detected Russian meddling in March 2016. Which is before Trump was the GOP nominee BTW. And they didn’t do anything about it. Deliberately.

    The Soviets/Russians have been attempting to meddle in our elections, and European elections, for nearly 100 years and this is the first administration in my entire live that couldn’t bother to take it at all seriously. Until Hillary lost, then as far as Obama was concerned it became a national crisis. Everything is subordinate to politics the TFG.

    I also don’t believe it was the GRU. They’re military intelligence. Political dirty tricks are more the specialty of Russia’s foreign intelligence service the SVR. Or the FSB, which is technically Russia’s internal intelligence and secret police agency. But Putin is an old KGB thug, and the in addition to operating internally they also operated in what the Soviets used to call the “near abroad.” Putin, for instance, was stationed in East Germany and he was tasked with recruiting informers and East Germans who could travel abroad (such as academics) as spies. The FSB is the successor to the KGB, and Putin seems to favor them, sometimes assigning them operations that technically should go to the SVR.

    Other than that these organizations tend to stick to their lanes in the road. The GRU would be an odd choice for interfering in an election. And I think I’ll stop here. Suffice to say I suspect they’re sweating bullets, hoping none of the individuals named in the indictment or the Russian government on their behalf engages counsel as did “Putin’s chef” Yevgeny Prigozhin. Because the Mueller team clearly never thought they’d have to prove their case at trial. And then as now I don’t believe they can make their case.

    One last thing; I did not find Rosenstein’s “call to patriotism” compelling. Rather, as when Strzok wrapped himself in the flag and claimed it was unpatriotic to even question him about his motives I found it cynical and self-serving. Apparently now it’s unpatriotic for the rebellious peasants to question their betters in the FBI and DoJ. Why, if you question or criticize them it means you are in league with Putin and you want the terrorists to win.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  13. Can we do the daily double impeachment of old rosey and the incredibly always missing
    Sessions?

    mg (0d66b4)

  14. My bad, the 2015 CHICOM hack was into the OPM system. They stole information on over 21 Million American citizens. If you recall, the Obama admin tried to downplay it publicly, releasing information about the true extent of the breach in drips and drabs. And it turned out the Obama administration had know about the full extent of the theft for months before they publicly announced it.

    Remember Josh Earnest? Man that guy was a weasel; the perfect spokeshole for Obama.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/03/abcs_jon_karl_grills_josh_earnest_why_was_there_no_public_response_when_china_hacked_opm.html

    JON KARL, ABC: So when the Chinese hacked OPM in 2015, 21+ million current and former government employees and contractors had their personal data stolen by the Chinese. Why did the White House do nothing publicly in reaction to that hack? Which in some ways, was even more widespread than what we saw here from the Russians?

    JOSH EARNEST: These are two cyber incidents that are malicious in nature but materially different.

    KARL: 20 million people had their personal data taken… fingerprints, social security numbers, background checks. This was a far-reaching act–

    EARNEST: I’m not downplaying the significance of it, I’m just saying that it is different than seeking to interfere int he conduct of a U.S. national election. I can’t speak to the steps that have been taken by the United States in response to that Chinese malicious cyber activity–

    KARL: But nothing was announced. There was not a single step announced by the White House. ‘

    EARNEST: It is true that there was no public announcement about our response, but I can’t speak to what response may have been initiated in private.

    KARL: But no diplomats expelled, no compounds shut down, no sanctions imposed, correct?

    You don’t do that stuff secretly.

    There’s video at the link. Basically, the “material difference” Earnest is referring to is the CHICOM hack only threatened unimportant stuff like over 21 million people’s identities, personal information, and national security. But the Russian meddling threatened Obama’s legacy by jeopardizing Hillary’s chances to preserve it and that means war.

    Oh, and I was poking around and Obama’s interference in Israeli elections is even worse than I suspected, It turns out that in 2010 the DoS granted just slightly less than $1M to an organization called the Abraham Fund. Like OneVoice it’s one of those leftist Israeli peacenik organizations that invite their Palestinian neighbors do destroy the Jewish state. I mean, work for closer Israeli-Arab relations. Same thing. And like OneVoice, when elections roll around they have a GOTV campaign as well as campaign for leftist pols. Since the grant was earmarked for a specific purpose the Abraham Fund wasn’t supposed to use any of the money for their political activities. But they paid their workers from the DoS grant and their employees worked on all their projects.

    So US taxpayers paid Abraham Fund workers to campaign for leftist causes and to sign up Israeli leftists to vote. And the US embassy in Tel Aviv encouraged these political activities.

    The State Department of course knew it was funding groups to interfere in Israeli elections. No doubt that’s why instead of putting restrictions on the grant money it gave to OneVoice in 2015 if put no restrictions at all. And OneVoice emailed its plan to use the money for political purposes to the US embassy during the grant period. In other words, before they actually had received the money. No wonder the tool at the embassy claims he deleted the email without reading the attachment because “it was too large.” It was the only way to maintain deniability. Not plausible deniability, in this case implausible deniability that the Obama administration didn’t know exactly what it was doing. Deliberately interfering in another country’s election.

    BTW, Putin operates exactly the same way as Obama did in Israel. He doesn’t always interfere
    by hacking. Sometimes like Obama he violates another nation’s sovereignty by bankrolling groups.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  15. This is an incredibly stupid move on Mueller/Rosenstein’s part. We’re going to indict the uniformed military personnel of a foreign nation who work at a cyber command whose job it is to conduct cyber espionage/warfare?

    Why does the fact that we have a US cyber command have anything to do with Putin operatives illegally hacking Democrat servers and emails? Cyber warfare exists on both sides, but why does that argue against prosecution for hackers who intended to tip the scales in an American election?

    For instance, when the U.S. directly interfered in the Israeli election in 2015…

    That’s been fact-checked, and fact-checked.
    And whether Putineers or not, they hacked into servers on US soil and they broke US law, more specifically various sections of Title 18, US Code. At minimum, and along with the other indictments against Putineers and PutinLand businesses, this proves the degree to which Putin has cyber-attacked the United States during a presidential election cycle. This also establishes a framework for evaluating the if or how much Americans were involved (knowingly and unknowingly) in this illegal operation.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  16. Wait until Russia hacks our power grid and shuts down electricity on the east coast for 8 months. I guess we’ll be hearing about how there’s nothing we can do about it because they didn’t break Russian laws.

    James (5ca9c0)

  17. Our system is flawed with Obama hacks that couldn’t detect any cyber espionage. So blame Trump. Impeach all these pos lawyers hacking our lives.

    mg (0d66b4)

  18. Espionage and sabotage have always been illegal. The only defense is “You didn’t catch me. I’m home, safe.”

    nk (dbc370)

  19. Gotta love Putin’s fifth column here, defending the foreign military forces that attacked our country and slandering the Americans trying to defend us…

    Dave (445e97)

  20. Obama should be in jail Davey boy.

    mg (0d66b4)

  21. The witch hunt is nothing more than Muellar padding his hired lawyers pensions. Too bad taxpayer can’t take off work to hang these sons of biotches

    mg (0d66b4)

  22. And you can keep your doctor and your plan, now netanyahu is a much more dynamic candidate than netanyahu, that’s why it didn’t work.

    Of course if you examine the code from what crowdstrike provided, its of Ukrainian origin and not common to fab usage,

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. This is an incredibly stupid move on Mueller/Rosenstein’s part. We’re going to indict the uniformed military personnel of a foreign nation who work at a cyber command whose job it is to conduct cyber espionage/warfare?

    I agree, it’s a stupid move.

    Rather than indicting them, we should make them KIA.

    Dave (445e97)

  24. The lengths the press will go to undermine IsrAel are legendary, I’ve mentioned how friedman’s first story on the shatila massacre blamed a militia that was hundreds of miles away, the sla for that incident, which was carried out in the orders of one maronite official from the village
    Of damour, who had carried out a blood feud, seven years before the Palestinians had slaughtered it.

    A lesser know story was a time magazine halevy, who accused Ariel Sharon of having a particular personnel animus, against arafat, based on his sons death, it was rightly cinduderd a blood libel charge and in the ensuing lawsuit they found there was no such utterance.

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. if we send our navy to apprehend these crime-doers they’ll just roll out some cargo ships and kill all our mans :(

    it appears we are at an impasse

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. “Russian spies apprehended? Anonymous leaks not from government officials? Who is Rosenstein kidding?
    There is one sense, however, in which the indictment is quite serious. In its opening page, the indictment explains that the 12 named individuals conspired “to gain unauthorized access (to “hack”) into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, steal documents from those computers, and stage releases of the documents to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.”
    It may not matter at all — in fact, as The Last Refuge explained Friday — it may be to Mueller’s benefit that the 12 Russian intelligence officers will never set foot in this country. The point of the indictment is to set the predicate for Mueller’s forthcoming case that Trump’s campaign knew in advance about the staged releases and prepared campaign strategy accordingly. And that will be called “collusion.” “

    https://www.lifezette.com/2018/07/why-mueller-indicting-12-russians-is-meaningless-theatre/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  27. So when is Mueller going to indict the Taliban scouts spying on our troops’ movements in Afghanistan?

    Espionage and sabotage are crimes for which the perpetrators have been executed, but an essential element of the offense is “We caught you!”.

    Mr. Mueller is desperately scratching to justify his existence, I think.

    Lawyers!

    nk (dbc370)

  28. And you can keep your doctor and your plan, now netanyahu is a much more dynamic candidate than netanyahu, that’s why it didn’t work.

    I’m having trouble understanding why any of this makes a foreign military attack on our country OK.

    Would you have brought up some dodgy element of the New Deal to excuse the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor?

    Dave (445e97)

  29. From the same article… Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein made a huge splash Friday by announcing that special counsel Robert Mueller has issued an indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence operatives for hacking the computer systems of two top Democratic campaign committees.
    What Rosenstein didn’t say in making that announcement suggests the indictment was made public as a public relations play intended to manipulate voters rather than a public information service provided to help American citizens understand what their government is doing.
    One word Rosenstein did utter during his news conference tells the story — “apprehension.” As when the deputy attorney general who appointed Mueller said: “The special counsel’s investigation is ongoing and there will be no comments by the special counsel at this time … we intend to transition responsibility for this indictment to the Justice Department’s National Security Division (NSD) while we await the apprehension of the defendants.”
    Congressional Democrats quickly seized on the indictment to demand that President Donald Trump either cancel his meeting Monday in Helsinki with Russian President Vladimir Putin or challenge Putin to agree to extradite the indicted intelligence officers.
    And that’s why Rosenstein’s Friday news conference was meaningless except as attempted manipulation of public perception of the special counsel investigation of allegations aides to Trump’s 2016 campaign colluded with Russian interests.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  30. Is there something different this time? Last time some Russians were indicted, some of them demanded discovery. Mueller apparently hadn’t anticipated that. How stupid do you have to be to be Mueller? So what happens now?
    Either the charges are dropped or Mueller explains sources and methods which, in other circumstances, is considered a Bad Thing.
    So Obama and his seventeen crack intelligence agencies missed the biggest thing in US history, or something.
    And if I get the implication, finding out what the democrats were up to is interfering in the election.

    Richard Aubrey (3d7f6e)

  31. the dirty fbi poofterboys why didn’t they ever examine the server?

    they’re so unpatriotism and horny all the time

    horny for Lisa

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. “compelling”… I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

    Is it the lies? Is it the style?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. Why does rosey pass this off to the Doj-Nsd? Because it’s going nowhere. It’s made up. The same Doj-Nsd who were involved in the unlawful fisa 702 database searches. How convenient. More made up b. S.

    mg (0d66b4)

  34. Rosenstein gave red queen her clean bill of health in 97, then joined the justice dept, he was the Clinton foundations
    protector in the tax division, as us atty years later, he slow walked a case against a party associated with rosatom the state uranium department, he signed of on one of the visa warrants against carter page.

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. Now what was interesting about that last case, was the CEO of transligistics a fmr south African diplomat named rod fisk had died, however his computer was subsequently destroyed in a freak accident, sound familiar.

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. the hot and horny men and women of the piss-stained fbi are too corrupt!

    they should all be indicted by Russia and also Puerto Rico and Switzerland

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. Why does rosey pass this off to the Doj-Nsd? Because it’s going nowhere. It’s made up. The same Doj-Nsd who were involved in the unlawful fisa 702 database searches. How convenient. More made up b. S.

    When bitcoin finally crashes, I wonder if the GRU-bots will go away…

    Dave (445e97)

  38. Meanwhile in Managua, where the dictator was so favored by chuck Todd’s boss John Kerry and Gary Hart that they tried to impeach Reagan for opposing him, they are staging another mobbing of the church, after the 150 dead protesters.

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  39. You want to go to war, perhaps nuclear, with russia over this, davey.

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  40. Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia, Davey boy

    Mark Gibbons (0d66b4)

  41. When higher education crashes (see student debt bubble, inflated tuition costs, substandard education), I wonder if the faculty lounge mentality will follow?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. let’s not forget the sewer where evil fbi gestapo-clown bobby mueller trawls for his “evidence”

    (and remember that “evidence” in the piss-stained fbi sense is not what real Americans think of as evidence)

    Perkins Coie’s two subcontractors (Fusion GPS and Crowdstrike) began singing off the same sheet of music when on Jul 26 2016, Fusion GPS’s subcontractor Christopher Steele issued a report claiming the Kremlin was behind the Apr 2016 hacking of the DNC server. It is worth remembering that until Oct 2017, Perkins Coie never disclosed it was paying both Fusion GPS and CrowdStrike. To an outside observer, it might have appeared that both Fusion GPS and CrowdStrike were independently verifying each other rather than executing orders from a common paying client.

    yes yes

    the hot and horny men and women of the piss-stained fbi

    all their evidence is spoon-fed to them by a sleazy slimy democrat law firm

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. You want to go to war, perhaps nuclear, with russia over this, davey.

    As FDR said, “hostilities exist.”

    They sent their army to attack us. It’s time to start fighting back.

    Dave (445e97)

  44. “Sean Spicier
    @sean_spicier
    I don’t understand how Russians could’ve gotten into Hillary Clinton’s server. She kept it locked in a bathroom and everything”

    harkin (56a257)

  45. Are Mueller and his assistants billing by the hour?

    nk (dbc370)

  46. Even if they steal the design, they are woefully outmatched:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-admits-defeat-su-57-not-going-into-mass-production-2018-7

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  47. pension padding at its finest

    mg (0d66b4)

  48. Muellers worth 18 million, mostly from representing outfits like banamex (a Mexican bank) and Facebook, wait what?

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  49. Mueller and Rosenstein may believe this indictment shows Russia how much we know about what his government has done, but it actually shows them all the things we don’t know. Whatever their motivation in bringing and announcing the indictment that decision should not have just been briefed to the president it should have been made by the one person in our government tasked with the responsibility to conduct the nation’s foreign policy and defense. Lawfare is useless as anything other than a political tool. The gotcha game is a useless exercise against nuclear armed nation state that doesn’t share our western values. The only thing this accomplishes is to put a big “hack me” sign on the back of the United States.

    Shifting the blame from the individuals and organizations who failed to practice even rudimentary information security is downright dumb but nothing new.

    We’re being beaten at our own game. Twenty years ago we called this Total Information Awareness. Our adversaries saw the risk it presented to them and the opportunities our open and free-wheeling society presented to turn the tables on US and they have. It’s past time to wake up.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  50. If the Russians are so smart why did they leave such a trail of evidence?
    And if the fbi is so smart why didn’t they set up one of these Russians and gather evidence and arrest him?

    mg (0d66b4)

  51. That’s just it, mg, there isn’t any such evidence, as Jeffrey Carr noted, there are tell tale signs of a Russian hacker syndicate, who were arrested by the Kremlin in August 2016.

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Shorter Bret Stephens: Putin wins.

    It’s fair to expect that other NATO members should spend more of their gross domestic product on defense; and fair to expect, too, that they should reach the 2 percent benchmark sometime sooner than 2024. It isn’t fair to demand, as Trump does, that they reach the 2 percent mark by January, and then increase it to 4 percent.
    It’s fair to say that the U.S. could use its leverage to negotiate more advantageous trade deals. It isn’t fair to insist on politically untenable trade concessions he knows other countries won’t make — a sunset clause for Nafta, for example — in order to destroy these agreements permanently while blaming the other side.
    It’s fair to say that it will be difficult for Britain to negotiate an independent trade agreement with the U.S. if it maintains E.U. rules on trade in goods. But Trump’s goal isn’t to help steer May through Brexit. It’s to bring her government down and replace her with Boris Johnson, because the former foreign secretary “obviously likes me and says very good things about me.”
    Above all, it’s fair to prod and cajole and quarrel with our core allies — in private. But Trump is out to embarrass them in public, putting them to the choice of becoming enemies or toadies, breaking up or sucking up. That’s no doubt fine with him: America First is America Feared. But it is also America hated, and hated with justification. Where’s the upside in that?
    For Trump, the upside is the substitution of a liberal order with an illiberal one, based on conceits about sovereignty, nationality, religion and ethnicity. These are the same conceits that Vladimir Putin has long made his own, which helps explain Trump’s affinity for his Russian counterpart and his distress that Robert Mueller’s investigation “really hurts our relationship with Russia,” as he remarked Friday.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  53. Where is efrem zimbalist jr. he was a much better actor than rosey

    mg (0d66b4)

  54. Shifting the blame from the individuals and organizations who failed to practice even rudimentary information security is downright dumb but nothing new.

    There is no “shifting of blame”.

    It’s dumb to leave your house unlocked, but it’s not a crime. Neither is failure of a private organization (the government is a different story) to deploy cyber-defenses capable of withstanding a coordinated and sustained attack by the military of a former superpower backed with effectively unlimited resources.

    Entering someone else’s house unbidden, and stealing from it, is a crime – whether the house is locked or unlocked. Likewise the blame here falls exclusively on the perpetrators.

    Dave (445e97)

  55. If folks want politics taken out of the DoJ, then just maybe the effing Senate Democrats should let votes happen for the Assistant AG for the Criminal Division, the Assistant AG for the Civil Division and the Assistant AG for the Civil Rights Division, all of which have been waiting for a year now.

    But, as usual, when people say “take the politics out”, they mean “take your politics out, they are interfering with OUR politics.” When people talk about DC being tribal, I check my wallet, because my pocket is being picked.

    The DoJ has Trump appointees at the top, but the rank & file positions remain infested with Obama’s hard-left stalwarts. So, not the place you send the confidential vetting papers with the expectation they remain confidential.

    The whole thing is toxic, and it is largely the fault of Senate Democrats.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  56. Paul Montagu (91b6ad) — 7/14/2018 @ 5:24 am, is this point really beyond you? You cite a bunch of laws we have against what they supposedly did (and I doubt the DoJ can prove that they did it for a variety of reasons). Guess what? Other countries have laws against what we do to them.

    It’s really hard to understand, isn’t Paul? I guess we should only gather intelligence in countries that make it legal for us to do so, huh, Mr. National Security.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  57. He’s new here, to take either politifact or Glenn Kessler seriously, oh maybe he’s just being a jerk.

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  58. That these indictments — of people who will never appear — were made as Trump made ready to meet with Putin is an outrageous interference in foreign policy by Mueller. It seemed highly partisan and fed the MSM like nobody’s business.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  59. Where is efrem zimbalist jr.

    An existential question.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  60. It’s in the spirit of Lawrence Walsh, who had been sabotaging the republicans at least 20 years, from the Paris peace talks to the aba standing committee.

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  61. That these indictments — of people who will never appear — were made as Trump made ready to meet with Putin is an outrageous interference in foreign policy by Mueller. It seemed highly partisan and fed the MSM like nobody’s business.

    +++++

    nk (dbc370)

  62. an outrageous interference in foreign policy by Mueller

    and poor slobbering coward John McCain didn’t miss a beat in calling for the summit to be canceled

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. I am not Trump’s biggest supporter, but I’m sick of this clown show. Mueller, Strzok, Stormy, Manafort, Cohen … I wish they’d all just f-f-f-fade away.

    nk (dbc370)

  64. trashy chuck schumer joined disgraced navy turd john mccain in calling for the summit to be canceled

    but poor addled nancy pelosi went off the reservation

    “President Trump must demand and secure a real, concrete and comprehensive agreement that the Russians will cease their ongoing attacks on our democracy,” House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said in a statement. “Failure to stand up to Putin would constitute a profound betrayal of the Constitution and our democracy.”

    this is a good time to remember that when all this was *actually happening*

    president food stamp, the lickspittle Comey FBI, and chunky-butt Loretta’s corrupt department of justice all stood down

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  65. Is McCain even conscious? Is he the one saying all these things or is it Ben Domenech?

    nk (dbc370)

  66. was McCain *ever* really the one behind the deranged bloodthirsty piffle what spewed out of his coward mouth

    #theydidsomethingtohisbrain

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. Nancy Pelosi too. Is that really botox or the best they could with a Pelosi face on a Japanese robot.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. It’s really hard to understand, isn’t Paul?

    It’s perfectly clear, steve57, you’re employing the “everybody does it” defense, an old Clinton classic. Also an old Clinton classic is the systematic campaign to discredit the parties who were tasked with investigating the president and his people.
    The real issue with China and their theft of millins of OPM records is our lack of visible response. Obama did nothing and there’s no evidence that Trump has done anything either. Maybe we have made some retaliatory cyber attacks but, if so, they’ve been done very quietly.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  69. Mark Salter he writes that creepy roman a clef about Obama, think of parseltongue,

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  70. So, when is Mueller going to indict the WaPo for spreading lies about various officials to influence elections. Colbert King alone is responsible for a lot.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  71. Pence, as President of the Senate, should demand an in-person meeting with McCain to insure that the statements attributed to him are really coming from him. The Fake News media posts old photos of McCain that make it look like he’s being interviewed but when you read the stories it’s only tweets and written press releases.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. I am not Trump’s biggest supporter, but I’m sick of this clown show. Mueller, Strzok, Stormy, Manafort, Cohen … I wish they’d all just f-f-f-fade away.

    I have had to buy three new BS-meters since Trump took office. And Trump one broke one of them.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  73. You need to recalibrate mine was busted around 2009, ben Smith was covering for Obama,

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  74. Pence, as President of the Senate, should demand an in-person meeting with McCain

    it’s entirely possible Mr. nk that the sole reason the lobsterpot bimbo and the tundra bimbo have both been so amenable to Kavanaugh is they were asked to stand down so as not to increase pressure on the arizona coward to do the right thing and resign

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. @55. Dave we’re not that far apart but I believe you’re missing an important distinction. If the facts are as alleged in the indictment we’re not talking about common crimes we expect the government to investigate and prosecute, we’re talking about acts of espionage by agents of a foreign power acting in its own perceived interest in exactly the same way our agents act in our perceived interest. We employ people to do exactly what these people did and will continue to do. When caught we deny it as they do. When confronted I expect Putin will do so with a twinkle in his eyes while thinking, “so what are you gonna do about it?”

    If you want the federal government to protect the information systems of political parties, candidates and campaigns then we part company because it can not be done with administrative access and knowledge of every piece of data flowing through or stored on the system. If we wish to live in a free society that is the responsibility of individuals and groups not government.

    Acts of espionage need to identified and acted on as acts of espionage not common crimes. If the president wanted the indictment announced as it was then it’s a tool of diplomacy. If not, it’s a political tool being wielded by the acting AG in ways we’ll continue to debate.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  76. If the Russians are so smart why did they leave such a trail of evidence?

    If you connect to the US telecommunications network from overseas, there is no way not to leave a trail.

    The massive volume of traffic means it takes time to find it, and the indictment explains many things the Russians did to cover their tracks.

    It looks to me like the investigators were able to retrieve and reconstruct a non-neglible fraction (or maybe even all) of the IP packets that passed between the Russian military and the machines in the US that they compromised.

    It’s obvious the Russians accepted the risk of detection and aimed at plausible deniability. They may have also expected that some people in the US – like you, for instance – would put partisan expediency ahead of loyalty to the country and willingly serve as accomplices after the fact by denying the attack itself, and obfuscating its source.

    And if the fbi is so smart why didn’t they set up one of these Russians and gather evidence and arrest him?

    You think they were in the United States? LOL

    Dave (445e97)

  77. And Putin’s pet oligarch Vladimir Potanin has (or hopefully had) access to Maryland voter registration records. Nothing to see here folks, because China or something.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  78. And yet Hillary won, btw Heidelberg was bug into video games, you want to boycott them, this is the same garbage when w won first it was hanging chats then diebold and esd odd that didn’t matter in 06 or 08

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  79. You think they were in the United States? LOL

    remember that obama’s “department of homeland security” gave Natalia Veselnitskay (“close ties to the Kremlin”) special parole visas so she could come and collude with Fusion GPS

    The 2015 parole given by the Department of Homeland Security to Natalia Veselnitskaya to attend the money-laundering trial is unusual partly because she provided no legal services that could have not also been provided by via video, said Vaughan.

    it’s a very recent pivot that the hot and horny men and women of the lickspittle fbi have made

    they’ve gone from viewing russian spies agents and hackers as helpful collaborators to drawing up phony unsupported indictments on them

    and only their hairdresser knows for sure why

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. Belgium is eating England’s lunch, whattup.

    Narciso (53e1b5)

  81. Maryland voter registration records

    Maryland voted 60.3% for crooked-ass hillary and for President Trump? 34%

    so yeah even the hot and horny men and women of the corrupt fbi know that’s not where you need to diddle and fiddle

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  82. Does McCain even have the mental capacity to resign at this point? That is the question. And if not, will two-thirds of the Senate vote to expel him? I bet not. It would be unprecedented and historic and give Republicans one more vote. But at least, if we know for sure that he’s out of it, we can ignore “his statements”.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. @76 my bad: because it can not be done without administrative access and knowledge

    crazy (5c5b07)

  84. omg i just heard

    President Trump walked in front of the smelly old british slut-queen!

    He’s so historic I love him more than daffodils

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. Former Director of the CIA pwned by a high school kid

    https://mobile.twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1018157503077593088

    harkin (56a257)

  86. Big mistake to piss off the British Tourism Board. Remember what they did to Dianna.

    nk (dbc370)

  87. Dianna was a very loose woman – kind of like Lisa Page in a tiara

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. oh it’s *diana* i asked the googles

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  89. If you want the federal government to protect the information systems of political parties, candidates and campaigns then we part company because it can not be done with administrative access and knowledge of every piece of data flowing through or stored on the system. If we wish to live in a free society that is the responsibility of individuals and groups not government.

    The government doesn’t need to station a cop in your bedroom to protect you from being robbed. A competent burglar may succeed a few times before being caught and some may never be caught at all, but that is no argument against trying to catch them, and locking them up when we do.

    Also I think you are way of base in suggesting that spies do not belong in the criminal justice system. Spies have been prosecuted under the law for ages. The only thing slightly different here is that the spies are active military personnel of a country we are formally at peace with. Hostile combatants in a region where the civil authorities are not operating would be handled differently.

    Since the civil authorities of the United States do not operate in Moscow, I do think we would be within our rights to use deadly force to apprehend or neutralize hostile uniformed personnel responsible for a military attack on our soil, if the local satraps won’t deliver them up.

    Dave (445e97)

  90. the spies are active military personnel of a country we are formally at peace with

    here’s where we are:

    the gestapo russian spies what they do on presidential campaigns are bad but the spies the gestapo FBI does on presidential campaigns are yum yum good

    but this seems like a distinction without a difference to me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  91. Travel much, Davey boy?

    mg (0d66b4)

  92. our friends at the null hedge did some good work in this post they promptly buried

    The Post’s Josh Rogin warns, Trump and Putin may be about to make a terrible deal on Syria, and Susan Rice suddenly emerges from obscurity and irrelevance to say in the Times that Trump Must Not Capitulate to Putin while urging the administration not to “prematurely withdraw United States forces [from Syria], thus ceding total victory to Russia, Mr. Assad and Iran.”

    They look at the whole pattern and they make a compelling case that you can tie Mueller’s silly indictments to the crowd what’s super-eager to get our tatters greased in Syria while spending gobs of money and stretching our inept military even thinner:

    panty-boy Mattis and the slippery-slimy tranny-luvin Pentagon piggies

    sleazy coward John McCain

    the hot and horny jew-hating men and women of the fbi

    and the slutbama foreign policy crew what consistently bow and scrape to their iranian betters

    And by working in concert like this one thing becomes very clear.

    Our tatters are all up in Syria NOT to constrain Russia or Iran, but to constrain Israel.

    It’s kind of right out in the open now huh.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  93. You need to recalibrate mine was busted around 2009, ben Smith was covering for Obama,

    I switched to a not-BS-meter during the Obama years. Far less activity.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  94. Does McCain even have the mental capacity to resign at this point?

    Hard to say. Time for a delegation of elder statesmen to make a visit and suggest he step down.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  95. Former Director of the CIA pwned by a high school kid

    Not only was it a phony-Lincoln quote, but CIA directors who lie to Congress should probably not blame other people about lost freedom.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  96. Maryland voted 60.3% for crooked-ass hillary and for President Trump? 34%

    That’s a great idea. Let’s just pass on investigating Putin’s pet oligarchs’ access to voter registration records based on how many D’s and R’s voted. Better yet, let’s welcome ByteGrid’s access to all the states with more than 26-point margins.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  97. Let’s just pass on investigating Putin’s pet oligarchs’ access to voter registration records based on how many D’s and R’s voted.

    kinda like how the perverted and oh-so-horny men and women of the corrupt fbi passed on investigating Hillary?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  98. I do think we would be within our rights to use deadly force to apprehend or neutralize hostile uniformed personnel responsible for a military attack on our soil, if the local satraps won’t deliver them up.

    Because OUR hands are so totally clean here. We have never been at war with Afghanistan, for example.

    Kevin M (5d3e49)

  99. John Brennan quoted an Abraham Lincoln that did not exist?

    nk (dbc370)

  100. panty-boy mattis and his happy band of tatters are nowhere to be found when the genocide goes down

    go ahead axe the syrians i’ll wait

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. It was a paraphrase of part of of Lincoln’s Gettysburg address. And Lincoln himself predicted at the time that people would shortly forget what he said. (I’m paraphrasing.)

    nk (dbc370)

  102. Sorry. Lincoln’s Lyceum Address according to the Twitter comments.

    nk (dbc370)

  103. Trump used the same phony Lincoln quote back in 2015.

    Now teh Derp State takes it as it’s own. Derpity Derp Derp.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  104. I forgot what he actually said at Gettysburg.

    nk (dbc370)

  105. “I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

    —- A. Lincoln, Zombie Slayer

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  106. That’s a lie Colonel. He was a Vampire Slayer. It was Elizabeth Bennett that killed all the zombies and stopped legitimate Democrat votes.

    NJRob (b00189)

  107. Abraham Lincoln!

    President Lincoln was very tall and not particularly handsome i think

    he also freed a lot of people and spoke movingly of unity

    he is on many postage stamps and monies

    He jumped out a window one time too.

    For freedom!

    President Lincoln made one big mistake though by going to see a play where somebody shot bullets on him, killing him fatally.

    And Mr. Walt Whitman, a Known Homosexual, comforted a grieving nation.

    o Captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done

    the ship has weather’d every rack the prize we sought is won!

    Abraham Lincoln!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  108. Gotta love Putin’s fifth column here, defending the foreign military forces that attacked our country and slandering the Americans trying to defend us…
    Dave (445e97) — 7/14/2018 @ 6:02 am

    Did you kill all your brain cells by going on a bender last night?

    1. The CHICOMs attacked your country by hacking into the Office of Personnel Management system and stealing information on 21 plus million American citizens. Current and former military personnel, civilian personnel, and contractors. And much of that information concerned background investigation information for top level clearances.

    2. Barack Obama was supposed to defend against by taking cyber security seriously. He didn’t, and as a result he seriously compromised national security by letting the Chinese find out who has what clearance, is read into what program, who their family members are, where they live, etc.

    3. Obama never even responded. No compounds seized, no diplomats expelled, despite the fact the OPM breach actually harmed national security.

    4. Whoever hacked into the DNC servers, a non-governmental system and therefore not an attack o your country, could only do so because DWS like Obama couldn’t take cyber security seriously. Because they also tried to get into the RNC system and failed.

    5. That’s really odd. If you and the rest of the left think what someone did to the DNC servers was an “act of war” shouldn’t you be angry at DWS for preventing the FBI from gaining access to her servers so the could conduct their analysis? If the DNC didn’t take the breach seriously enough to let the FBI at least investigate, why should the rest of us take it more seriously than they did. Apparently there was something on those servers it was really important to keep the FBI from looking at.

    6. The DNC destroyed the servers. Something stinks about that.

    7. Whoever hacked into the Clinton campaign IT system, actually didn’t have to hack into it because John Podesta was stupid enough to respond to a spear phishing scam.

    8. Whoever got into these systems only succeeded in getting embarrassing emails. Hardly the crown jewels of US national security technology. There’s nothing important on them so that attack was hardly a threat to national security let alone the cyber version of Pearl Harbor.

    9. I don’t believe Rosenstein when he says the GRU did it because the GRU hunts bigger, different game. If it was Russian it would have been the SVR or FSB. But if it was SVR, FSB, or GRU then they would have gotten into the RNC system as well. On the other hand maybe they did get into the RNC system. If it were any of the above services you’d never detect the intrusion. So why was the DNC hack so sloppy?

    We are not being told a lot of truth here, if any. I don’t understand this mania for indicting Russians in absentia. When it comes to actual Trump campaign-Putin gub’mint collusion there’s never anyone around to actually put into the court room at the defense table (Manafort doesn’t count as he’s charged with years old financial crimes primarily in Ukraine)). Why, it’s almost like there’s nothing to this whole Trump-Russia collusion tale. I suppose that’s why Mueller and his deputies freaked out when Yevgeny Prigozhin’s legal team showed up to defend him in the Russian troll farm case. Clearly the Mueller team never expected anyone to show up and contest the charges. And from their panic attack they never wanted anyone to show up and contest it.

    They didn’t want to give the “Putin’s chef” defense team the information they demanded in their discovery request. Here’s what you have to know when dealing with classified evidence. If the information itself is so vital to national security the prosecutor doesn’t want to reveal it in court, forego the prosecution. If it will compromise sources and methods, forgo the prosecution. It’s better to let the man walk than to call attention to the vitally important classified intormation. I doubt the evidence they claim to have even exists, and apparently neither does Putin’s chef. His jaunty legal team seems cock sure they’re calling an elaborate bluff.

    As of now Mueller and his crew just look impotent. They keep indicting people in the belief they won’t show up. When someone shows up, they demonstrate the last thing they want to do is try the case. Either way, Impotent. And Impotent is never a good look.

    Something is going on here because nothing adds up. And it reeks of pure politics. It’s as if the Mueller team has to leave the dems with something to make it appear that there was something to this whole Trump-Russia myth. Darn it! If only we could have gotten our hands on those wily Russians Mueller kept indicting while they were safely in Russia we could have made them talk.

    In any case I suppose this Trump-Russia thing is about dead and there will be nothing more to it. Why do I suspect that? Because a consulting firm called Stonington Global LLC issued a statement that Gen. Michael Flynn had joined the firm. Flynn’s attorneys issued a counter statement saying Flynn had not joined the firm. Yet. It appears it’s simply a matter of timing. Flynn’s attorneys said that he was aware a statement was being drafted, but it shouldn’t have been released “at this time.” A spokesman for Stonington Global issued a statement that they would work with Flynn on the timing of the announcement. Apparently it could be another sixty days until Flynn is sentenced, but is attorneys are “confident” he’ll spend no time in jail.

    In other words, Mueller is letting go of Flynn.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  109. Your affirmative action feel good story of the day. (No, it’s not really feel good.)

    nk (dbc370)

  110. Because they also tried to get into the RNC system and failed.

    but evil gestapo-clown bobby mueller doesn’t mention this in his silly indictment at all

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  111. Whoever got into these systems only succeeded in getting embarrassing emails.

    nevertrump forgets that whoever hacked the DNC server did America and history an extraordinary public service

    we’d have never known how close the Democrats had come to nominating doddering chavista bernie sanders – how many sleazy things they had to do to prevent him from grabbing the nomination from Hillary

    we’d never know about all the health concerns people had about the criminal pig-woman

    or how CNN Jake Tapper fake news had used Donna Brazile to leak debate questions

    or that, just like Nazi Germany’s Angela Merkel, Hillary desired a flood of illegals they could use to disenfranchise citizens

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  112. Funny thing, the principals in that firm, muzin and allaham, why is that important because that country was suspected of hacking the emails of the uae ambassador otaiba. Oddly Mueller has also been after players in the uae who are friendly with irael.

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  113. Oddly Mueller has also been after players in the uae who are friendly with irael.

    this isn’t odd in the slightest – there’s an entire pattern that supports this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. I’m sure the joint Trump/Putin Cyber Security unit will prevent this in the future

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/884016887692234753

    Davethulhu (270006)

  115. Another detail the uae has been supporting egtptian president Assisi, and future libyan president hafter who have been opposed by the Egyptian brotherhood and bel had

    Want to take a gander which law firm recently represented Qatari interests?

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  116. Curious, pikachu, so qatar hacks the record of one out close allies, but they have 15 million powerful friends at brookings.

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  117. Mueller does not give press conferences. Nor does any member of his team. The special counsel lets indictments and guilty pleas speak for themselves, after the fact.

    Because Rosenstein is the deputy Attorney General overseeing the investigation, it is his responsibility give press conferences and announce indictments. Some may question the timing, while ignoring that the investigation has been ongoing for months, gathering evidence and building cases, that grand jury proceedings take weeks, and that indictments take days of deliberation, not to mention that Trump was briefed before the indictments were handed out and the announcement was made, by at least a week in fact. He knew what was coming down the pipeline.

    The reason why news outlets and public officials still employ the “Friday night dump” is because it’s a carry-over from the days when print newspapers dominated. Saturday mornings and evenings had the lowest circulation rates, so for a report or story to get the most attention it had to be released in the evening edition the night before. Plus doing so gave the watchful public something to talk about and debate over the weekend. The Sunday (people going to church) or Monday (people going back to work) morning and evening editions wouldn’t have had the desired effect, nor would the editions published on the other days of the work week.

    The suggestion that the press conference of the indictments was deliberately planned to disrupt the US-Russia summit, between Trump and Putin, is belied by the fact that the indictments had been issued and their announcement planned before the date of the summit was declared.

    Trump and his supporters can spin it however which way the want, but they can’t escape the truth.

    GawainsGhost (b25cd1)

  118. Furthermore one of the independent islands in the emirate chain is ras al khalmah they had a family feud, between two bros one was against Iran, the other was not, guess whose on the throne and who previously represented him?

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  119. That would be Glenn Simpson and Sudan Schmidt before the former went on to form fusion with Thomas catan

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  120. Truth be told, Obama must be lauded for his restraint, for his decision to not make a big deal out of this with Putin back when it first became known prior to the November 2016 election. In addition, his machinations behind the curtain vis-à-vis his use of the Derp State he’d further politicized is also quite laudable.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. Some may question the timing

    one person who doesn’t question the timing of fbi slut-hole bobby mueller’s silly indictments is Ted Lieu:

    Lieu said, “I want to talk about the timing of this announcement. There is no reason Rod Rosenstein had to do this today. He could have waited two weeks. I think what really was happening is the United States Department of Justice telling the American people and the whole world that Vladimir Putin is not our friend and that Russia is our adversary. This was a complete poke in the eye to the president of the United States, and I think it was intentionally done today, and I think it’s the entire Justice Department trying to send a message, not just to the president, but to the American people.”

    so yeah we have an unaccountable FBI p.o.s. spending hundreds of millions of dollars to subvert the foreign policy of the United States

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  122. Well Obama had steely told Putin no, and that was that.

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  123. You can never please that guy,

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  124. “At least half the quotes you find on the internet are fake”– Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Harvard College, 1864

    James (5ca9c0)

  125. “Hey… knock it off, Vladimir. I’m flexible, but you are taking advantage of teh situation.”

    —- Barcky Obama

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  126. It turns out that in 2010 the DoS granted just slightly less than $1M to an organization called the Abraham Fund.

    What? Giving a million to the fund of an adulterer? Only a Trump superfan could excuse that!

    It’s dumb to leave your house unlocked, but it’s not a crime.

    No, but parking your car in a bad neighborhood overnight with the windows down and the keys in the ignition to collect on insurance is.

    lee (ab26cf)

  127. The witch-hunters have precisely the same problem Trump has: their public personas are, to all but the most enthusiastic, quite repulsive. Rosenstein, Comey, Meuller, Strzok, McCabe . . . they all come across as sneaky little sh1ts. That the top echelon of federal law enforcement is populated by such slimy characters is bad news for the nation, but very good news for President Trump. They make themselves easy targets, as Trump so handily demonstrates.

    Just makes you wonder how this will affect the credibility of FBI agents in future courtroom proceedings.

    ThOR (d25d69)

  128. Trump’s ambassador lobbied Britain on behalf of jailed activist Tommy Robinson

    Sam Brownback, the U.S. Ambassador for International Religious Freedom, complained to the British ambassador in Washington D.C. about the treatment of an English activist who is in jail for disrupting a trial, according to three sources familiar with the discussion.

    cowards like disgraced never-president navy-turd John McCain tweet tweet tweet

    but it’s stalwart men like President Trump who fight for freedom

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  129. i’m just saying what everybody else is thinking

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  130. I thought Rosenstein’s statement about putting partisanship aside was compelling.

    Can only a commenter be a troll, or can the term be used towards a blog’s author? I can’t tell from the dictionaries.

    Anon Y. Mous (acdecf)

  131. Thor
    Yeah. Reputation. Waco. Ruby Ridge. Withheld exculpatory evidence from Ted Stevens. Tried to frame Richard Jewell but Bubba Rent-a-Cop was too smart for them. Falsely imprisoned four guys to protect Whitey Bulger–cost the feds $100 million when the stuff hit the fan. Drove one guy to suicide and paid another $6 mill for persecution on the anthrax case and still don’t know who did it. Missed the Tsarnaev clan despite a heads-up from Russian intel. Let Mateen slide because his old man was a feeb snitch.
    Don’t record interview/interrogation.

    Richard Aubrey (3d7f6e)

  132. Because OUR hands are so totally clean here. We have never been at war with Afghanistan, for example.

    Ah, yes: “There are a lot of killers, etc”. I’m *sure* I’ve heard that somewhere before…

    The TrumpWorld creed is that everybody is as morally degenerate as Trump, so his moral degeneracy doesn’t matter.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, moral distinctions are possible, and between the United States and Russia, not a close call.

    Dave (445e97)

  133. plus the gestapo FBI forensics lab aspires to one day achieve the competence and integrity of Theranos

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  134. The TrumpWorld creed is that everybody is as morally degenerate as Trump, so his moral degeneracy doesn’t matter.

    idiot legacy-prez George W. Bush slaughtered hundreds of thousands of men women and children and killed and maimed thousands of our own hapless tatters!

    and for what?

    de nada licklicklick

    That’s why President Trump stands tall and keeps his eye on the ball, determined to do the right thing for our country, The United States of America.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  135. If there was to be a war, the soldiers would come from those who have fought in chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine, just like ours have fought in Afghanistan Iraq and syria.

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  136. Trump and his supporters can spin it however which way they want, but they can’t escape the truth.

    Watching them try is entertaining as hell, though.

    News item: Massive Russian military operation to throw the presidential election to Donald Trump exposed in mind-boggling detail.

    TrumpWorld: “You can keep your doctor!! Deeeeep Staaaaaaate!! Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!! And what about Chappaquiddick?!”

    Dave (445e97)

  137. They did clean up the forensics lab in the 90s, kind of like with the San Francisco one about 20 years later.

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  138. actually dirty fbi butt-boy bobby mueller just presented a narrative in his silly indictment

    no evidence or proof

    just lalalalala

    he never even established that any actual investigative work had been done by his team of hot and horny sluts

    and then the sketchy indictment was disappeared to an obscure corner of the corrupt Sessions DOJ

    it’s just slutty FBI propaganda you see

    it’s not a serious indictment

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. They did clean up the forensics lab in the 90s

    there’s no proof they don’t still play just as fast and loose as before

    the FBI has no integrity you see

    you can’t trust their evidence, because they’re so apt to phony it up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  140. It’s perfectly clear, steve57, you’re employing the “everybody does it” defense, an old Clinton classic.

    No, actually the GRU doesn’t do “this.” The GRU works for and gets its tasking and priority intelligence requirements from the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. Why would they hack into the DNC servers, or even meddle in our elections? There’s no real benefit in it for the Russian Armed Forces.

    I don’t enjoy being lied to, and we’ve been lied to a lot about this whole Russian meddling/collusion nonsense. Recall when Brennan, Clapper, and Comey issued an assessment saying that Putin meddled in our elections, that he did so to help Trump, and that was the assessment of the entire US intelligence community? Only one part of that statement is true; Putin meddled in our election. He meddles in a lot of elections and he has a track record. He never does it to help a particular candidate win, he does it make sure whoever does win comes out weaker. And it wasn’t the assessment of the entire USIC. It couldn’t possibly be. I was a Naval intel officer for 20 years, retiring in 2008. My job would be to study maritime developments such as foreign forces, new naval technologies, weapons systems capabilities, and at a more tactical level detect, monitor, and report maritime threats to US forces. Note: detect, monitor, and report threats to US elections isn’t part of the job.

    It’s the same for the intel commands in all five armed services. So we’ve eliminated five of the sixteen members of the USIC (the Director of National Intelligence isn’t part of but in charge of the USIC). So, would the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency have any basis to form part of that consensus those three clowns were talking about? No, what started out as the Defense Mapping Agency, then morphed into the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, before becoming NGA five years before I retired simply doesn’t monitor threats to US elections. How about the National Reconnaissance Office, Treasury, DEA, Dept. of Energy? They all have intelligence sections, and none of them monitor threats to US elections, We’re not interchangeable. We don’t all look at the same problem. If we did, we’re not doing our jobs.

    Neither, by the way, are the Russian intelligence services. They’re not interchangeable either, which is why if Putin wanted to sow political mayhem the last service he would use would be the GRU. Which is why I don’t believe Rosenstein. But I digress.

    Essentially after you weed out all the members of the USIC that could not possibly have basis to form a valid opinion on threats to the US electoral process, you get down to the four agencies that actually signed on to the assessment. Comey for FBI, ADM Rogers for NSA, Brennan for CIA, and Clapper as DNI.

    Except for Rogers they are all political hacks. The only reason they said their assessment was the consensus of the entire USIC is because it made it sound more impressive to anyone out of the loop. Again, it could not possibly have been because except for those four components of the USIC absolutely none would have had any insight into the issue and therefore no basis to either agree to or reject any proposed consensus on it. So that was pure political theater, in other words a complete falsehood, as was their assertion that Putin meddled to help Trump. That was simply to provide Clinton a baseless excuse for losing. Since I’ve been retired for ten years I’ve had time to watch Putin and how he operates. He always plays both sides. In Europe he’ll financially back both Neo-Nazi/Skinhead gangs and then Antifa/Black Bloc gangs. That way no matter who wins, half the country won’t accept the results.

    In the US, he played both sides. He didn’t expect Trump to win anymore than most observers. But putting a preferred candidate over the top is never his goal.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/31/facebook-twitter-post-election-russian-meddling-sought-to-undermine-trump-244380

    …Facebook general counsel Colin Stretch told a Senate Judiciary panel that content generated by a Russian troll farm known as the Internet Research Agency after Nov. 8 centered on “fomenting discord about the validity of [Trump’s] election.” That’s a change from Russia’s pre-election activity, which was largely centered on trying to denigrate Hillary Clinton, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said in a January report.

    “During the election, they were trying to create discord between Americans, most of it directed against Clinton. After the election you saw Russian-tied groups and organizations trying to undermine President Trump’s legitimacy. Is that what you saw on Facebook?” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) asked at the hearing.

    Stretch and his Twitter counterpart, Sean Edgett, called that an “accurate” statement.

    …James Lewis, an international cyber policy expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the revelation about Russian anti-Trump activity on social media post-election fits with typical Kremlin information-warfare efforts.

    Putin simply doesn’t have a strong hand of cards to play. So he has to weaken his opponent. Ironically, it isn’t Trump who is the Putin stooge now. It’s the left that can’t stop drinking the #Resist kool-aid he whipped up for them.

    Also an old Clinton classic is the systematic campaign to discredit the parties who were tasked with investigating the president and his people.

    There’s no need for a campaign to discredit them. They’re doing a fine job of that all on their own. But I don’t mind when someone is around to point it out.

    The real issue with China and their theft of millins of OPM records is our lack of visible response. Obama did nothing and there’s no evidence that Trump has done anything either. Maybe we have made some retaliatory cyber attacks but, if so, they’ve been done very quietly.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad) — 7/14/2018 @ 8:24 am

    Only a visible response will do when it comes to dealing with the PRC. I’m positive that the Obama who said “just kidding” when Assad crossed his chemical weapons red line and simply shrugged when Putin took the Crimea didn’t do anything about the PRC cyber attack. Or if he did, he probably took his SecState’s advice (Kerry was talking about Syria in this context) and made sure the response was a “limited, very targeted, very short-term effort” and “unbelievably small.” So small the CHICOMs probably didn’t even notice.

    Not that I think Trump has done anything about it either. But I hope he’s addressing the cyber security weaknesses at the very least.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  141. their public personas are, to all but the most enthusiastic, quite repulsive. … Meuller, … , they all come across as sneaky little sh1ts.

    Funny how that happens when half of Washington is traducing you 24 x 7, the White House is blaming you for documents they leaked themselves…in order to blame you for leaking, and you aren’t allowed to say a word to defend yourself.

    How did Ken Starr’s public image hold up after a year of the same treatment?

    Meanwhile, here is the real Robert Mueller:

    The President of the United States takes great pleasure in presenting the Bronze Star Medal to Second Lieutenant Robert Swan Mueller III, United States Marine Corps Reserve, for service as set forth in the following citation:

    For heroic achievement in connection with operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company H, Second Battalion, Fourth Marines, Third Marine Division. On 11 December 1968, Second Lieutenant Mueller’s platoon was the lead element in a company size combat patrol being conducted in the Mutter’s Ridge are of Quang Tri Province when the Marines came under a heavy volume of small arms, automatic weapons and grenade launcher fire from a North Vietnamese Army company and sustained numerous casualties. Quickly establishing a defensive perimeter, Second Lieutenant Mueller fearlessly moved from one position to another, directing the accurate counterfire of his men and shouting words of encouragement to them. With complete disregard for his own safety, he then skillfully supervised the evacuation of casualties from the hazardous area and, on one occasion, personally led a fire team across the fire-swept terrain to recover a mortally wounded Marine who had fallen in a position forward of the friendly lines. Second Lieutenant Mueller’s courage, aggressive initiative and unwavering devotion to duty at great personal risk were instrumental in the defeat of the enemy force and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval Service.

    You guys go ahead and cast your lot with the draft dodger and the Red Army that worked overtime to put him in office.

    I’ll be over here with Lt. Mueller and the Stars and Stripes.

    Dave (445e97)

  142. Gru is the counterpart to dia, although the spetznaz their special forces is under their control, as opposed to svr which is their overseas spy agency and fsb their domestic, a well known example of gr u was bolshakov, he was undercover here in the states as a tass or isrvesia reporter, in which capacity he,served as rfks backchannel to kruschev, but surprise surprise he misled elf about operation anadyrthe Soviet irbm in cuba.

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  143. Steve57. Thank you for explaining so well what some seem so clueless about. Politics blinds many to what would otherwise be so obvious.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  144. mueller’s a cowardly and disgraced ex-marine what ended up in charge of the corrupt sleazy fbi because his lack of ethics and integrity recommended him to the job

    ask yourself about these joke indictments

    why did this even require a special counsel?

    thgere’s not even a whisper of collusion alleged

    and yet the dirty rosytwat doj didn’t trust themselves to investigate Russian military hackerz (relly sneaker ones spearing fishes)?

    wha???

    ???

    why would you need a sleazy piece of trash like bobby mueller to do your job for you?

    it makes no sense unless what you’re trying to do is to do a coup all up in it and subvert american foreign policy

    for that you turn to an unethical lowlife like bobby mueller

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. oopers *there’s* not even a whisper of collusion alleged i meant to say

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  146. Narciso, you could say the GRU includes the functions of DIA but the GRU has more capabilities such as covert HUMINT collection, SIGINT collection, etc.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  147. http://therightscoop.com/nikki-haley-calls-out-dishonest-wapo-reporter-on-fake-news/

    The WaPo quotes a US Ambassador, to the UN, that doesn’t exist.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  148. So when the late Michael Hastings pulled out if his keester, statements that general Stanley mccrystal, for 75th ranger, for spec ops, head of said branch in Iraq and Afghanistan, coordinator of the counterinsurgency strategy had not made, who did you believe.

    Narciso (aa5b9d)

  149. I don’t think it’s been mentioned here, but the indictment also points out that Russia “was listening” when Trump publicly directed them to meddle in the election on his behalf.

    The FAKENEWSAMAZONBEZOSPOST reports:

    The indictment also notes an interesting development on July 27, 2016 — the day then-candidate Trump gave a press conference declaring his hope that missing Clinton emails would be found and made public, saying: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”

    The indictment says “on or about” that same day, “the conspirators attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton campaign.”

    That is what’s called “customer awareness”.

    Dave (445e97)

  150. the wapo’s just doing fake news

    when President Trump said if you’re listening, the 30,000 emails had already been destroyed with the blessing of the hot and horny men and women of the lickspittle comey FBI

    so don’t get distracted

    whoever *did* hack the DNC

    they did the right thing and they didn’t retain the information to use to their advantage

    they publicly released the information about the DNC’s incredibly unethical and sleazy machinations in favor of Hillary over Bernie Sanders, and many other facts that are interesting to have for the historical record

    it’s impossible to argue that this information – information about the wholesale corruption of a major political party – should not have been disclosed

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. Based on what evidence, netycho was a graduate student in computer science in 03, how do they know he’s gruzd more likely he’s part of the ‘humpty dumpty’ syndicate

    Narciso (36a699)

  152. mueller has no evidence Mr. narciso

    that’s why they promptly buried these indictments with the ark of the goddamned covenant

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. We cannot credibly indict foreign military intelligence officials for doing what they are hired to do without first indicting Hillary Clinton, who in violating our classified information laws and regulations placed our highest secrets in jeopardy – and remains an unindicted felon.

    this is irrefutable

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  154. Here’s the full quote from the news conference as reported in the NYT:

    On allegations of Russian computer hacking and Mrs. Clinton’s emails

    “By the way, they hacked — they probably have her 33,000 emails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted because you’d see some beauties there. So let’s see.”

    “And that’s why — if it is Russia, nobody even knows this, it’s probably China, or it could be somebody sitting in his bed. But it shows how weak we are, it shows how disrespected we are. Total — assuming it’s Russia or China or one of the major countries and competitors, it’s a total sign of disrespect for our country. Putin and the leaders throughout the world have no respect for our country anymore and they certainly have no respect for our leader. So I know nothing about it. It’s one of the most far-fetched I’ve ever heard.”

    Here’s the earlier tweet that started the controversy:

    If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!

    9:16 AM – 27 Jul 2016

    He was clearly speaking satirically about the 33,000 emails deleted and bleachbit-ed from the clintonmail server not the emails DOJ says were purloined by Russia.

    With as much reporting as there’s been on this story it’s pretty easy to check.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  155. for example

    crazy (5c5b07)

  156. i wonder what dirty slutbama would think of corrupt bobby mueller’s silly indictments of russian military computer nerds

    he felt that even foreign terrorist people that murdered americans (MURDERED to where they were dead) deserved the sanctity of “sovereign immunity”

    President Obama made good on his threat to veto a bill allowing lawsuits against foreign sponsors of terrorism Friday, setting up what could be the most contentious veto override vote of his presidency.

    The Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, or JASTA, would provide an exception to the doctrine of “sovereign immunity,” which holds that one country can’t be sued in another country’s courts.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  157. let’s also remember that cowardly snivelpoop John McCain stood with slutbama and against the victims of 9/11, many of whom were killed by the abject terrorisms what were inflicted on America

    Jesus had his Judas, General George Washington had his Benedict Arnold, and the 9/11 victims’ families have their betrayers in Republican Senators Lindsey Graham (S.C.), John McCain (Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (Utah).

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  158. 158… but first, there must be an actual interest in anything but teh compelling narrative, lol.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  159. 158…

    remember dirty slutbama similarly joked a joke all up in it

    he joked about the IRS persecuting his political opponents

    AND THEN THEY DID

    “Now, before I begin, I’d just like to clear the air about that little controversy everybody was talking about a few weeks back,” he said in a commencement address that year at Arizona State University. “I have to tell you, I really thought this was much ado about nothing, but I do think we all learned an important lesson. I learned never again to pick another team over the Sun Devils in my NCAA bracket. It won’t happen again. President Crow and the Board of Regents will soon learn about being audited by the IRS.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  160. Althouse asks a good question about the “Trump told Russia” to get the emails allegation:

    If Trump were colluding, why would he flaunt his involvement? The more apt inference is that the Russians wanted to make it look like they were taking orders from him and chose this moment, because it would be so weird it would agitate media like HuffPo to generate this theory.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  161. Thought I’d revisit some old posts in light of these indictments:

    Assange has more than alluded that it wasn’t the Russians. He has flat out denied it 5 times.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/least-5-times-wikileaks-denied-russia-source-leaked-dnc-emails-liberal-media-wont-report/

    I know Patterico doesn’t hold Gateway Pundit in high regard, but this particular piece is well sourced, including with youtube videos of Assange denying that the Russians were his source. I would also remind everyone that Wikileaks offered a reward for info about the murder of Seth Rich, a DNC staffer. Alegedly, the motive was robbery, though nothing was taken. And if he was a Wikileaks source, that would explain why Wikileaks is offering a reward for his killer.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/wikileaks-offers-reward-in-killing-of-dnc-staffer-in-washington/2016/08/09/f84fcbf4-5e5b-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html

    Anon Y. Mous (9e4c83) — 12/17/2016 @ 6:28 pm

    Davethulhu (270006)

  162. Credit to Sammy for being a voice of reason:

    What the people who wanted to connect the death of Seth Rich to the leak in any simple way are proposing is that the DNC pretended to get hacked, and a Russian (Guccifer 2.0) pretended to be the hacker who actually had information from both the DNC and DCCC. The Russian was pretending all right, but what he was pretending was to be acting alone.

    And then, on July 10, Seth Rich is killed because he’s the leaker? His job was not anything like that of Snowden, so he’s not really a plausible source.

    It has to be much more reasonable that Seth Rich’s death is not connected to the leak of files to Wikileaks, although it may be connected to some other kind of intrigue. But the fact of the matter is, there were lots of armed robberies there, and sometimes robbers are inexperienced, so the only connection would be that somebody decided to use this to try to pretend, to relatively uninfromed people that it was not a hacker.

    Sammy Finkelman (7d0f6e) — 12/19/2016 @ 8:12 am

    Davethulhu (270006)

  163. “I’ll be over here with Lt. Mueller and the Stars and Stripes.”

    Dave (445e97) — 7/14/2018 @ 12:17 pm

    That won’t sit well with teh faculty loungelizards.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  164. Here’s one with a bonus of anonymous sourcing:

    “The federal investigator, who requested anonymity, said 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments between Democratic National Committee leaders, spanning from January 2015 through late May 2016, were transferred from Rich to MacFadyen before May 21. On July 22, just 12 days after Rich was killed, WikiLeaks published internal DNC emails that appeared to show top party officials conspired to stop Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont from becoming the party’s presidential nominee.”

    http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/05/16/bombshell-seth-rich-sent-44053-dnc-emails-to-wikileaks/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 5/16/2017 @ 7:58 am

    Davethulhu (270006)

  165. the sluts and tarts at the corrupt FBI aren’t even a wee tiny bit curious about Seth Rich’s murder

    but spearphishing holy god america that gets their hot and horny blood pumping

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  166. Very mad:

    There you go again.

    Seth Rich, the guy your evil hag had murdered, was the source of THE DAMAGING TRUTH reported by Wikileaks. How do we know this with not even a shadow of doubt? Because Rich forwarded the Hildabeast’s dirty laundry direct to Julian Assange’s director of films, Gavin MacFadyen. His computer was in London, outside of the Clinton’s sphere of control.

    So STFU about Russians, you damn dirty ape. [YouTube]

    papertiger (c8116c) — 5/16/2017 @ 2:34 pm

    Davethulhu (270006)

  167. @65.I am not Trump’s biggest supporter, but I’m sick of this clown show. Mueller, Strzok, Stormy, Manafort, Cohen … I wish they’d all just f-f-f-fade away.

    They will.

    Jaworski, Cox, Sirica, Ehrlichman, Haldeman, Colson, Chapin, Magruder, Stans, Sloan, Krogh, Kalmbach, Kleindienst, LaRue, Martha and John Mitchell, Hunt, Liddy, Barker, Sturgis, Reinecke, Barker, Martinez, Gonzalez, McCord, Porter, Strachan, Mardian, Parkinson, Thompson, Baker, Ervin, Weicker, Talmadge, Gurney, Montoya, Inouye, Wilson, Richardson, Ruckelshaus, Buzhardt, St. Clair, Woods, Butterfield, Bradlee, Ziegler, Haig, Ford… even Felt, Agnew and The Big Dick himself.

    They did.

    Woodward, Bernstein and Dean, less so.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  168. that’s correct dirty coward bob mueller, hero ex-marine, has yet to present a shred of evidence that the russians hacked the proof of purchase off a single cereal box much less anything all up in Hillary’s pooters

    these indictments are just for show – they’re not meant to ever be tested in an actual court

    they’re not meant to ever be tested in an actual court

    let’s put partisan aside and agree that it’s phony show justice blessed by dirty rod rosytwat’s phony joke justice department

    this is what the failmerican justice system has been reduced to by Holder Lynch and Sessions

    it’s a laughingstock justice system, and nobody’s laughing harder than Vladimir Putin

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  169. wake me up when roger stone is tried for colluding with russia to change the vote totals in michigan wisconsin and pennsylvania.

    wendell (991f67)

  170. Birds of a feather:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-20/kim-dotcom-goes-all-i-knew-seth-rich-i-was-involved

    papertiger (c8116c) — 5/21/2017 @ 10:06 pm

    Interesting… https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/05/21/kim-dotcom-i-knew-seth-rich-i-know-he-was-the-wikileaks-source/

    Colonel Haiku (0225f2) — 5/22/2017 @ 6:14 am

    Davethulhu (270006)

  171. @172. It’ll be fun seeing Nixon in court! Well, the back tattoo, anyway.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  172. I remember this post and regret that I didn’t speak up at the time. Papertiger’s “source” is the 4chan white supremacy/nazi forum:

    Hospital eyewitness to when Seth Rich was brought in.

    4th year surgery resident here who rotated at WHC (Washington Hospital Center) last year, it won’t be hard to identify me but I feel that I shouldn’t stay silent.

    Seth Rich was shot twice, with 3 total gunshot wounds (entry and exit, and entry). He was taken to the OR emergency where we performed an exlap and found a small injury to segment 3 of the liver which was packed and several small bowel injuries (pretty common for gunshots to the back exiting the abdomen) which we resected ~12cm of bowel and left him in discontinuity (didn’t hook everything back up) with the intent of performing a washout in the morning. He did not have any major vascular injuries otherwise. I’ve seen dozens of worse cases than this which survived and nothing about his injuries suggested to me that he’d sustained a fatal wound.

    In the meantime he was transferred to the ICU and transfused 2 units of blood when his post-surgery crit came back ~20. He was stable and not on any pressors, and it seemed pretty routine. About 8 hours after he arrived we were swarmed by LEOs and pretty much everyone except the attending and a few nurses was kicked out of the ICU (disallowing visiting hours -normally every odd hour, eg 1am, 3am, etc- is not something we do routinely). It was weird as hell. At turnover that morning we were instructed not to round on the VIP that came in last night (that’s exactly what the attending said, and no one except for me and another resident had any idea who he was talking about).

    No one here was allowed to see Seth except for my attending when he died. No code was called. I rounded on patients literally next door but was physically blocked from checking in on him. I’ve never seen anything like it before, and while I can’t say 100% that he was allowed to die, I don’t understand why he was treated like that. Take it how you may, /pol/, I’m just one low level doc. Something’s fishy though, that’s for sure.

    I’m not saying she did.

    All I’m saying is a Democrat candidate for President who wouldn’t gun down a few staffers in the street doesn’t want the job bad enough.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 5/22/2017 @ 5:40 pm

    Davethulhu (270006)

  173. lol free speech in the smelly slut-queen’s london

    what the hell did this loser-ass waste-of-woman accomplish with her life anyway

    pathetic

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  174. nobody’s laughing harder than Vladimir Putin

    You confuse his cackling w/t echo of automatic weapons fire, Mr. Feet!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  175. Cthulhu… your past posts are such an embarrassment of riches, one doesn’t know where to begin. You’ve obviously put much stock in this. Go with it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  176. @176. Liz can change your oil and check your fluids, Mr. Feet; she was a mechanic in WW2.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  177. Has the Seth Rich murder been solved, Cthulhu?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. All unsolved murders were committed by Hillary “Angel of Death” Clinton.

    Davethulhu (270006)

  179. the automatic weapons fire echoes like the drums of moria

    as yet at a distance, their steady rhythm speaks softly of doom and despair

    the filth-dirty hot and horny men and women of the fbi are tearing this country apart

    they’re killing america

    america’s corpse

    falls slowly slowly to the pavement like the lifeless body of seth rich

    thank you fbi

    thank you for your service

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  180. she was a mechanic in WW2

    kinda like her bastard ginger grandson was a soldier?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  181. Straw man Cthulhu

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  182. Yes, I agree that your post @180 is a straw man.

    Davethulhu (270006)

  183. @175.@180 =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Right-wing conspiracy nuts refuse to let go of their Seth Rich fantasy

    Two years ago this week, Seth Rich was on the phone with his girlfriend as he walked home from a bar in the early morning hours. His girlfriend heard other voices on Rich’s end. Then the call abruptly ended. The 27-year-old Democratic National Committee staffer was shot and killed in his Washington, D.C., neighborhood that morning. Local police investigated and determined it was a robbery gone wrong, possibly connected to a string of recent street robberies in the area.

    But that’s not the story some conservatives like to tell. According to stories breathlessly reported by a wide range of right-leaning sites, Rich was a deep-state whistleblower who leaked thousands of DNC emails to WikiLeaks, then found himself in the crosshairs of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. – source, latimes.com

    source- Richwikibio: ‘Rich’s parents condemned the conspiracy theorists and said that these individuals were exploiting their son’s death for political gain, and their spokesperson called the conspiracy theorists “disgusting sociopaths”. They requested a retraction and apology from Fox News after the network promoted the conspiracy theory, and sent a cease and desist letter to the investigator Fox News used. The investigator stated that he had no evidence to back up the claims which Fox News attributed to him. Fox News issued a retraction, but did not apologize or publicly explain what went wrong. In return, the Rich family filed a defamation lawsuit against Fox News in March 2018, stating “The pain and anguish that comes from seeing your murdered son’s life and legacy treated as a mere political football is beyond comprehension.”‘

    So, Colonel Cashew, are you disgusting or a sociopath… an ’embarrassment of riches’ awaits discovery… we’d put Arnold Stang on that case but he’s busy; however, Marvin Kaplan is available.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  184. there’s something really really creepy and sketch about the Laundry Service Papa John’s story

    would that we had journalism in CNN Jake Tapper fake news america

    let’s just throw this out here

    this guy was fired or possibly bailed 2 days before Laundry set up and shafted Mr. Papa, a notorious supporter of the president of the United States

    coincidence you think?

    jason’s always seemed like a neat guy but casey’s always come across as the living breathing epitome of douche i think, but i don’t know them personally

    but now i just have so many questions

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  185. Is your question “why are so many Trump supporters racist?”

    Davethulhu (270006)

  186. Casey Wasserman Mentioned in New Batch of Clinton Emails

    Wasserman, whose charitable organization donated between $5 million and $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, asked Clinton Foundation executive Douglas Band for help setting up an interview for one of his high-profile clients with the U.S. Embassy in London, the emails show. The client’s name was redacted by the State Department.

    The interview was necessary because the client had faced a “criminal charge” at some point in his past and was having difficulty getting into the country. Band then emailed Huma Abedin, one of Clinton’s top aides at the State Department.

    “I doubt we can do anything but maybe we can help with an interview,” Abedin responded to Band. “I’ll ask.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  187. is there a journalism on this bus???

    we are need a journalism!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  188. Assuange was fine for the times and the post and the guardian with manning,the anonymous hack of stratfor, Snowdon, compromising operations personnel wily nilly, all of a sudden they developed scruples when it came to their favorite purveyor of rizzotto,

    narciso (d1f714)

  189. But you know people get mugged but no money or id is tajen, this did happen to ambassador meyer in London, but not in the dawn hours.

    narciso (d1f714)

  190. Snowden exposed the NSA poofterboys with their eggo waffles all up in a three-way with a thai tranny hooker and an unnamed under-aged up-and-coming bmx superstar from rural Iowa

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  191. @183. Her Majesty had no ‘bone spurs’ Mr. Feet; neither did he.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  192. why can’t you ever be on MY side

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  193. Let it be, happyfeet, the Laundry Service story is the Mad Men reboot waiting to be made. I hope you are indoors…they have that dumb Pokemon tourney in Chicago this weekend.

    urbanleftbehind (7cd872)

  194. @191

    Assange was fine until he got his hands on some Russian leaks in 2010. Then he and his friends got a visit and an offer they couldn’t refuse.

    Davethulhu (270006)

  195. oh yeah i’m lying low this weekend last weekend was many adventure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  196. @195. Let’s build a bridge to no where, Mr. Feet and sip sake.

    “I hate the British! You are defeated but you have no shame. You are stubborn but you have no pride. You endure but you have no courage.” – Colonel Saito [Sessue Hayakawa] ‘Bridge On The River Kwai’ 1957

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  197. to be a little more clear though

    Jason probably would have been part of the biz dev team what won the PJ business

    Casey’s pretty much credited as the douchebag what leaked the story and drove a shiv into Mr. Papa’s pancreas (ouch)

    it kinda looks like Jason knew this was coming and was either not happy that his hard-won client was getting ganked like a back-alley abortion

    or he just was too classy to have anything to do with this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. my papa johns here in the wood of the ravens has a delivery fee of 4.25 on eat24 which seems a little silly given the high-margin nature of the product

    i has a story about pizza

    domninos is many franchise i’m not sure how many the company owns

    where i grew up when i was little we had dominos and the guy who owned it would talk about when he and his family arrived in our little town they were in a motel

    and they couldn’t find anything to order to the motel!

    so he completely changed his plans and got hooked up with dominos and did well and expanded and did well and he raised a lovely family (his daughter for sure was a really special kid i remember)

    then he sold out and retired while he was still fighting fit and moved somewhere idyllic and I’ve never heard anything about them since

    but i love this story cause i pretty much know the beginning middle and end

    i like stories like that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  199. Whoever hacked into the DNC servers, a non-governmental system and therefore not an attack o your country…

    It’s true that it wasn’t an attack on our government, but it was an attack on our country because Putin’s agents struck one of our two major political parties in a proven attempt to influence the outcome of an election. It was an attack on our democracy. Maybe computer security by Democrats wasn’t that great but Putin’s agents were much more aggressive at going after the Democrats.

    Because they also tried to get into the RNC system and failed.

    That’s false. According to the indictment:

    The Conspirators also released documents they had stolen in other spearphishing operations, including those they had conducted in 2015 that collected emails from individuals affiliated with the Republican Party.

    Maybe the GOP had better security, but the indictment was pretty clear that Putin’s agents were focused on the Hillary campaign and the DNC.

    …shouldn’t you be angry at DWS for preventing the FBI from gaining access to her servers so the could conduct their analysis?

    There are lots of reasons to be angry at DWS, particularly because she’s demagogic and dishonest hack, but she did allow access to their servers.

    Comey said at the time that the FBI and DNC agreed to let a private firm access the servers and share the findings with investigators.

    Whether the FBI got what it needed from that 3rd party is unclear.

    I don’t believe Rosenstein when he says the GRU did it because the GRU hunts bigger, different game…

    Undermining the Democratic Party and the party’s nominee sounds like big game to me. You should read the indictment, especially this part:

    X-Agent malware implanted on the DCCC network transmitted information from the victims’ computers to a GRU-leased server located in Arizona. The Conspirators referred to this server as their “AMS” panel.

    Putin’s agents literally leased a server that is situated on US soil.
    As for Concord Management, the trial is going to happen. Mueller’s team probably was surprised that their attorneys showed up for a plea, and it was a tactical mistake because they should’ve anticipated that Concord would want to seek as much discovery as they could.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  200. yes, that’s not actually examining by the agency in question, specially if that company has ties to the democratic party, through perkins and coie, and is an affiliate of the atlantic council,

    narciso (d1f714)

  201. it’s cnn amuck, I guess you can figure whose bugs in this,

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/14/cnn-meltdown-russian-obama/

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. Can only a commenter be a troll, or can the term be used towards a blog’s author?

    Is this just a backdoor way of calling the host of this website a troll?

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  203. so the path is not as clear as the indictment suggests,

    https://twitter.com/climateaudit

    narciso (d1f714)

  204. 12 Russian Intelligence Officers, 0 Americans Indicted for Hacking DNC, Hillary Campaign

    … and every American involved is a Democrat

    This is a story about stupid Democrats and the Russians that took advantage of them.

    So, of course, they blame Trump and the Republicans for their own mistakes.

    It’s such a shame that all of this activity occurred during the Administration of Barack Obama, who did nothing to stop it.

    But really, isn’t the real reason for a special counsel to make indictments of uninvolved collateral personnel while waiting to the ‘statue of limitations’ to run out on everybody else ?

    Neo (d1c681)

  205. No, actually the GRU doesn’t do “this.”
    The 29-page indictment is pretty clear that the GRU really did do “this”. It’s no secret that nations seek to influence other nations’ elections, but what Putin did in the 2016 cycle was unprecedented. One of Putin’s generals created the Gerasimov Doctrine, and it was put into practice.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  206. putin’s piddlings had no discernible effect

    other than giving the hot and horny lickspittle men and women of the perverted nazi fbi a pretext to do a coup on american democracy

    they’re very sick people

    mueller and his overheated cougar wife and comey and his nasty pussyhat family and squirrely peter and slutty lisa and creepy-ass vegan-smelling nellie and bruce

    these people are disgusting, unamerican and perverted

    this is the fbi

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  207. So, why did it take the FBI, and later Mueller, TWO FREAKING YEARS to indict?

    Was it that complicated? Paint me skeptical.

    rcocean (1a839e)

  208. irrespective of what pussified nfl homo tom brady wants you to do you can get a gob of individually wrapped plastic straws here

    i did!

    so at least if i have my pack and someone gives me a nasty paper straw I have choices

    cause what’s a pikachu what don’t got choices?

    a sad pikachu, that’s what

    sad and oppressed

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  209. So, why did it take the FBI, and later Mueller, TWO FREAKING YEARS to indict?

    cause the summit is in a few days

    and the anti-semitic cowardsluts like McCain and Mattis and Kelly are sprinkle-tinkle frightened they’re gonna lose their jew-pimp-hand toehold in syria

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  210. Is this just a backdoor way of calling the host of this website a troll?
    Paul Montagu (91b6ad) — 7/14/2018 @ 3:40 pm

    Backdoor? I thought I was pretty front door with my tongue in cheek suggestion that Patterico is trolling us.

    Anon Y. Mous (acdecf)

  211. Does Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence officers for allegedly hacking Hillary’s emails and interfering in the US election have any purpose other than to throw a monkey wrench in President Trump’s upcoming summit with Putin?

    Rosenstein knows that he needs no evidence, because the accused will never be brought to trial.

    the slicky-licky doj’s sick and perverted with unspeakable lusts and anti-americanism and weaksuck jeffy sessions is gonna be dirty with it forever

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  212. All unsolved murders were committed by Hillary “Angel of Death” Clinton.
    Davethulhu (270006) — 7/14/2018 @ 2:07 pm

    So Trump was lying (again) when he said “there are a lot of killers”.

    In fact, there’s only one.

    That article you linked is interesting. This, in particular, makes sense in view of what has come to light:

    Yevgenia Albats, the author of “The State Within a State,” a book about the K.G.B., said that Putin probably didn’t believe he could alter the results of the election, but, because of his antipathy toward Obama and Clinton, he did what he could to boost Trump’s cause and undermine America’s confidence in its political system. Putin was not interested in keeping the operation covert, Albats said. “He wanted to make it as public as possible. He wanted his presence to be known,” and to “show that, no matter what, we can enter your house and do what we want.”

    (emphasis added)

    Dave (445e97)

  213. sounds like Yevgenia Albats is doing her part to amplify Putin’s glorious success at precipitating an FBI-driven coup on america

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  214. but coward-slut torture-turd John McCain gets some credit too

    he earned that much

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  215. He wanted his presence to be known,” and to “show that, no matter what, we can enter your house and do what we want.”

    Good.
    He can start w/defrosting the damn freezer. Then shampoo the rugs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  216. Putin wanted to send a message to us, and we need to send one in return.

    A few GRU sissy-boys with their brains spilled out on the sidewalk, for instance.

    Unfortunately, our traitorous president is more likely to pardon them.

    Dave (445e97)

  217. Yevgenia’s talking out of her ass

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  218. Good.
    He can start w/defrosting the damn freezer. Then shampoo the rugs.

    It’s so hard to get good help nowadays.

    Dave (445e97)

  219. let’s be honest Yevgenia’s an irrelevant has-been, and that’s being very charitable

    her website is altogether illegible and exclusively features pictures of unattractive foreign-looking people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  220. small brain: examine the server for rootkits and activity logs

    big brain: hire a partisan firm to perform a whitewashed investigation exonerating the people responsible

    galaxy brain: force the appointed head of the Coast Guard to sign a document agreeing it was Putin all along

    Computer Wizard (c70753)

  221. @208. That’s an interesting article in the New Yorker, thanks for linking it. The western concept of hybrid warfare Gerasimov argued in favor of is what I was referring to earlier when I said our adversaries are beating us at our own game. We’ve spent the last 20 years trying to figure out what we used to call Information Warfare and answering the who-what-when-where-how questions of how to wage it and doing little to practice good INFOSEC to prevent it. While they’ve spent the last 20 years trying to figure out how to turn the tables on US. It’s no surprise that our more open and technologically dependent society presents many new opportunities for mischief and exploitation by our great power adversaries.

    Once upon a time the US and USSR stepped back from militarizing space with offensive weapons. We should do the same with the other great powers in cyberspace but instead we’re standing up Cyber Command to fight in a domain where we have the most to lose – bad idea.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  222. Actually hybrid warfare, was devised by a white Russian who emigrated to Argentina, this successor regime sees itself inthe vein of the czars.

    narciso (d1f714)

  223. (emphasis tomfoolery added)

    Dave (445e97) — 7/14/2018 @ 5:04 pm

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  224. “There are lots of reasons to be angry at DWS, particularly because she’s demagogic and dishonest hack, but she did allow access to their servers.”

    Access from a firm founded by Timothy Geithner, no less!

    “Our Very Important Server was hacked by foreign but we don’t actually want any of that messy ‘official chain of custody’ business, we’ll just have all the actual evidence collection and analysis done by people who won’t ask questions about anything incriminating.”

    ‘My server was hacked by unindictable Russians, please take this company’s word for it’ is the high-level equivalent of ‘man my car was totaled by some crackhead we can’t find, please don’t ask questions but just sign this official police report for the insurance money.’

    Computer Wizard (9b99c6)

  225. The closing paragraph in that New Yorker article is particularly interesting:

    Alexey Venediktov, the editor-in-chief of Echo of Moscow, and a figure with deep contacts inside the Russian political élite, said, “Trump was attractive to people in Russia’s political establishment as a disturber of the peace for their counterparts in the American political establishment.” Venediktov suggested that, for Putin and those closest to him, any support that the Russian state provided to Trump’s candidacy was a move in a long-standing rivalry with the West; in Putin’s eyes, it is Russia’s most pressing strategic concern, one that predates Trump and will outlast him. Putin’s Russia has to come up with ways to make up for its economic and geopolitical weakness; its traditional levers of influence are limited, and, were it not for a formidable nuclear arsenal, it’s unclear how important a world power it would be. “So, well then, we have to create turbulence inside America itself,” Venediktov said. “A country that is beset by turbulence closes up on itself—and Russia’s hands are freed.”

    Over the last 100 years Russia’s objective has been the same. Only the methods have changed.

    crazy (5c5b07)

  226. hi Mr. Wizard just wanted to say you add value and i’m enjoying all your comment

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  227. They were trying to blame Lopez obradors win on the russians:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realmattcouch/status/924137387520937984?lang=en

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  228. “So, well then, we have to create turbulence inside America itself,” Venediktov said. “A country that is beset by turbulence closes up on itself—and Russia’s hands are freed.”

    Certainly true.

    We have to make the costs of causing trouble for us higher than they can afford to pay. Reagan understood this clearly and got results by practicing it assiduously.

    “No better friend, no worse enemy” should be our creed.

    Dave (445e97)

  229. and just like that we agree!

    crazy (5c5b07)

  230. slutbama was loads more flexible after the election

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  231. Obama let putin take half of Ukraine, probably advance against Azerbaijan if left to his own devices, hold Syria because he needed that iran deal, let Libya and Egypt fall to the Islamist, Algeria might have been next.

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  232. Another interesting note the grand jury did not endorse this indictment

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Surabees/status/1018239026183237633

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  233. obama was a pussy that hated jews and america

    that was a choice other people made not me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  234. “Putin wanted to send a message to us, and we need to send one in return.

    A few GRU sissy-boys with their brains spilled out on the sidewalk, for instance.

    Unfortunately, our traitorous president is more likely to pardon them.”

    Obama did precisely jack-all when Chinese people working for the Chinese government stole the identities of literally everyone who worked for FedGov, but a few Russians (yes, Russian intelligence, *not* any of the actually tech-savvy, insider history, extremist friendly, and rightfully aggrieved Berniebros whose anger at Hillary literally buying out the DNC TOTALLY ISN’T A MOTIVE YOU SHOULD LOOK AT and who no one in the DNC is interested in placating for the next election) MAY have stopped Hillary’s campaign from being able to lie convincingly about how above-board their press coverage was.

    We should totally demand BLOOD IN THE STREETS that we wouldn’t demand from the actual only remaining declared Communist superpower to sate someone who can’t distinguish between the strategic reach and relative threat of the USSR and the reach of the Russian Federation.

    It’s almost like liberals only *hate with a bloodthirsty hate* countries and demand their invasion when they cease to be Communist, much like they hate on Hungary and Poland now.

    Computer Wizard (e6f6da)

  235. CNN Jake Tapper fake news hated slut-england when they did brexit all up in it but now that they have a baby-balloon they love them again

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  236. Don’t worry he’ll hate it again, presumably these gru officials all work in Moscow, you can go after some of them, bur consider how far putin will punch back, leaving out litvinenko, he sent to a team to doha to cap yandarbichev a prickly Chechen exile, they threw two grenades under his jeep, no messing with makarovs. Another troublesome Chechen who had a falling out, head of the the zapad militia got iced in the uae

    narciso (d1f714)

  237. why do we have to keep looking at geriatric shrivel-titted cryptkeeper dianne feinstein

    it’s just getting stupid

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  238. seriously she’s scaring the children

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  239. Because she is what passes for sand in california.

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  240. Why would anyone in the US care about the fate of people from the Muslim country with a lifetime achievement award in terrorist massacre casualties per capita, it’s almost as bad as caring about the privacy of a party whose staff has a world record for suspicious deaths during internal party power struggles.

    Computer Wizard (daa6c0)

  241. sand in my nae nae maybe

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  242. I just think she’s old, but that photo on the right could be “the cool kids version of Ted Cruz”.

    urbanleftbehind (7cd872)

  243. Sane, which country is That, now I don’t have the answer to Afghanistan or Iraq or syeia.

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  244. But deleon is certifiable and if memory serves, has a collateral #metoo problem

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  245. Did he get sloppy thousandths on the same Telemundo reporter chick as Villar, Nunez, et al

    urbanleftbehind (7cd872)

  246. national soros radio coverage of mueller’s joke indictments is genuinely bizarre

    As the noted counterintelligence analyst Kenny Loggins once said: “This is it.”

    Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller unveiled his latest opus on Friday, one that gets to the heart of the Russian government’s attack on the 2016 election: its theft and release of private information to publicly embarrass political targets.

    national soros radio is trying to make like nobody notices that “the hackers” did like 5,000 times more journalism on the 2016 election than national soros radio even contemplated doing

    like noted counterintelligence analyst Kenny Loggins once said: “Jake Tapper is full of poop and he does fake news all up in it.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  247. you can picture just NPR touching herself as she strokes out these final grafs

    The demonstration of this kind of eye-watering granularity makes it fascinating to imagine the kind of information the U.S. intelligence community asked Mueller to conceal from this indictment to protect its capabilities.

    And to imagine what else Mueller might have up his sleeve.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  248. ugh

    *just picture* i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  249. I think the theme from caddyshack is more on point, apropos of nothing that somewhat brusque animated series archers protagonist is a perennial spy with two big interests, but Reynolds movies and Kenny Higgins songs.

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  250. Well also copious amounts of alcohol and women, but that’s part of the job description

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  251. Obama did precisely jack-all when Chinese people working for the Chinese government stole the identities of literally everyone who worked for FedGov

    So we should follow Obama’s example?

    Dave (445e97)

  252. slutbama, just like the filthy corrupt bush family and the clinton criminal cartel, he had his own agenda that had nothing to do with advancing America’s interests

    what President Trump is doing is very new

    so far so good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  253. …Something is going on here because nothing adds up. And it reeks of pure politics. It’s as if the Mueller team has to leave the dems with something to make it appear that there was something to this whole Trump-Russia myth. Darn it! If only we could have gotten our hands on those wily Russians Mueller kept indicting while they were safely in Russia we could have made them talk…

    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 7/14/2018 @ 10:00 am

    I may have nailed it. Something was very weird about the Rosenstein press conference as well as the way the indictment is written. It reeks of politics.

    Mark Tapscott opines that the purpose of the indictment is set the predicate for Mueller’s case that the Trump campaign knew about the Russian plan to steal documents from the DNCC/Clinton campaign servers/computers and then conduct staged releases of the those documents (as specified on the opening page of the indictment). Mueller is going to argue that Trump and his campaign knew about the staged releases. And he’ll call that “collusion.”

    Mueller and his deputy Weissman are very creative writers. Weissman is a very creative writer. Back when he was either second in command or headed the Enron Task Force he convinced a judge to adopt his rewrite of an obstruction of justice statute so it no longer required consent. All he had to prove was that Arthur Anderson destroyed documents, and he helpfully convinced the judge to rewrite the jury instruction. And, boom! He destroyed accounting firm Arthur Anderson and put eighty thousand people out of work. The Supreme Court reversed him nine to nothing since the law really did require the prosecutor to prove that Arthur Anderson destroyed the documents with the intent to obstruct justice, something he could have never done he wouldn’t have gotten the win, but it was too late. You can’t bring a company back form the dead.

    Since there is no such crime as collusion he has a completely blank canvas here. He and Mueller can make anything up they like. Which reading the indictment is what I think they did with that piece of work.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  254. but everyone knows mueller’s riding dirty

    he’s unadulterated fbi trash to his very core

    bobby mueller, who enjoys boisterous strap-on action from his overheated cougar wife, is cut from the same cloth as horny horny Lisa’s squirmy-squirrely pimp-daddy Peter

    these people are not normal Americans

    they’re noticeably perverted

    and ultimately that will undercut his effectiveness

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  255. *his rewrite of an obstruction of justice statute so it no longer required consent.

    What was I thinking? That would be “no longer require intent.”

    I need to add Tapscott expects Mueller’s case for “collusion” to revolve around the contention that not only did Trump know about the staged releases he planned his campaign strategy around them. That would leave the Democrats with something to work with r.e. Trump-Russian since the whole goal was not to try to make a criminal case but instead a political case for impeachment.

    It seems to tie things up as well as anything I can think of.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  256. dirty fbi clown-perv jim comey already said he never doubted the criminal pig-woman was going to win

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  257. mulder and scully ran a child exploitation ring in baltimore btw (sexual one)

    when’s CNN Jake Tapper fake news gonna start working on that story

    don’t hold your breath (good advise)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  258. pampered loser

    He received a slew of scathing reviews when he released his own photography book last year.

    And now Brooklyn Beckham has quit his New York photography course after just one year because he’s missing his mum, Victoria, according to the Mirror.

    The 19-year-old has bowed out of his four-year course, which he started last September at the world-renowned Parsons School of Design.

    wow that’s a stunning fail

    maybe his real dad is actually Will Smith and he’s just adopted?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  259. @176. Liz can change your oil and check your fluids, Mr. Feet; she was a mechanic in WW2.

    This story still makes me chuckle:

    On June 6, 1994, I was working at CERN in Geneva, and the TV was on in the control room of my experiment (which was actually just across the border, inside France), where a dozen or so European colleagues and I were on duty.

    Liz was giving a live speech on TV – in French – as part of the ceremony in Normandy commemorating the 50th anniversary of D-Day.

    One of my older French colleagues/friends, who was quite patriotic/nationalistic (not in the nasty, Le Pen way – he was a lefty socialist – but he thought La France, and being French, were the greatest things since unsliced bread) was watching the queen give her speech.

    He stood there for a while, watching intently and finally, and almost grudgingly, he began slowly nodding his head and remarked, “You know…the Queen … she speaks…very good French.” He was genuinely impressed, and coming from him, it was an uncharacteristically generous compliment.

    I couldn’t resist poking fun, so without hesitation I asked, in a sort of feigned, naive American way: “Well, technically she’s the Queen of France too, isn’t she?”

    At that moment a couple things happened simultaneously. My friend, and all the other Frenchmen in the room, let out an involuntary, visceral groan. And the two or three Brits off working in the opposite corner tried unsuccessfully to stifle their laughter…

    Good times.

    Dave (445e97)

  260. Language barriers can produce such unmixed truths!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=52&v=IUN36UG8JaQ

    Computer Wizard (3074c8)

  261. “The demonstration of this kind of eye-watering granularity makes it fascinating to imagine the kind of information the U.S. intelligence community asked Mueller to conceal from this indictment to protect its capabilities.

    And to imagine what else Mueller might have up his sleeve.”

    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON’T MOCK AND DERIDE THE “SORKIN LECTURE” PERSONA AND TV CULTURE IN GENERAL, YOU LET THESE BUREAUCRATS GET AWAY WITH PLAY-ACTING AS THEIR FAVORITE ‘HOUSE OF CARDS’ MARTY STU AND EVERY PRESS RELEASE BECOMES A J.J. ABRAMS-STYLE ‘MYSTERY BOX’ NOTHINGBURGER MEANT TO START THE MOST SPECULATION FOR THE LEAST EFFORT. POLITICS IS OFFICIALLY DOWNSTREAM OF TV WRITING CULTURE AND TRUMP ISN’T EVEN THE WORST EXAMPLE OF IT!

    Computer Wizard (8100b5)

  262. You can make up anything, ask Ronnie earl, or John Chisholm or Brenda Murray who shepherds the Stevens fraudulent inductment.

    Narciso (cc9fa9)

  263. Taking the TV writer analogy further:

    Robert Mueller is essentially the DC version of Kathleen Kennedy: a supposed VETERAN INSIDER handed over a hot, scandalous property that had great interest on all sides of the aisle, given carte blanche to take it in whatever direction he wanted it, ends up disappointing by releasing an even more formulaic and groan-inducing result than in prior years (using absolutely bare minimum effort) than anyone even expected, didn’t improve his results at all no matter how many extra lawyers he ended up hiring and firing, and most of the people defending him with anything resembling fervor online are either bots or utter partisan hacks who hate the people he’s against far more than they like the principles he’s for.

    It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

    Computer Wizard (91c2dc)

  264. @266. Meh. Recall watching those festivities on CSPAN that year; Liz did a bit of a happy jig when the USAF Band struck up Glenn Miller’s ‘In The Mood’ too. She probably cut a rug or two in her day. As for CERN, consider yourself lucky you were at work in Switzerland and not Texas, where it was originally planned to go.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  265. Hey lawyers, what’s up? This guy is trying to criminally trespass people from the comments of his YouTube channel. Also, he doesn’t seem to like the police but he’s basically threatening to call them on trolls. Funny stuff: Chicago Police Shoot Innocent Man In The Back… Updates…

    Pinandpuller (3e235f)

  266. No he’s more like commander krennic from rogue one:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/the_donald_does_europe.html

    Narciso (5f99e8)

  267. I was 2 miles straight South of that hootenanny (with my daughter at my nieces birthday party) at the old family homestead and had I not been browsing my phone, would have likely drive into it not rerouted to Stony Island Ave. What’s weird is that they lot of non-Bs sort of join in the denouncing.

    urbanleftbehind (7cd872)

  268. Krennic’s actor could do a lot of pols, an older Gorsuch and Pete Wilson come to mind.

    urbanleftbehind (7cd872)

  269. I finally watched the interaction between Bad Haircut Guy and Smirkboy. It was clear the Democrats had a plan to object and run out the clock. I guess they were worried how their new hero would look if he had to answer some tough questions.

    Patterico (9622fb)

  270. “The Obama left couldn’t recognize the threat Russia posed as it attacked American systems, helped America’s enemies build nukes, massacred civilians, and stole countries.

    The Obama left did however recognize the threat Russia posed when it helped cost the Obama left an election.”

    —- Actually Quite a Dignified M’Fin Pickle

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  271. 225 and 230, thanks crazy.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  272. Of course that’s what they have been doing for 30 years, since Iran contra.

    I chose krennic because he is a,dutiful bureaucrat who doesn’t care how monstrous his project is, it must be completed.

    Narciso (a12b20)

  273. As much as I generally support law enforcement, the actions and behavior of the FBI and the Justice Department just sicken me. I wanted to reach through my TV and smack the smirk off Strozk’s face; and as for Rosenstein’s call for putting partisanship aside, yes, it’s a nice idea, if I could believe anything that comes out of the FBI or the Department of Justice. But given Rosenstein’s statements, the timing of these indictments (which we all know aren’t going to to anywhere), his request for federal prosecutors to insert themselves into Judge Kavanugh’s confirmation, I just don’t trust any of them, and that’s a sad comment about the state of federal law enforcement in this country.

    We don’t have to worry about Putin–we’re killing ourselves from the outside in.

    Rochf (877dba)

  274. I wanted to reach through my TV and smack the smirk off Strozk’s face

    You can’t live with the thought that an FBI agent might hold political views different from yours?

    Dave (445e97)

  275. he’s not an fbi agent more he’s a disgraced former fbi agent

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  276. oops *anymore* is what that should say

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  277. I finally watched the interaction between Bad Haircut Guy and Smirkboy. It was clear the Democrats had a plan to object and run out the clock. I guess they were worried how their new hero would look if he had to answer some tough questions.

    Perhaps, but what exactly was the point of the GOP’s televised orgy of demagogery, except to (per the standard playbook) obfuscate Trump’s moral degeneracy by trying to drag the rest of world down to his level?

    Fact-finding had nothing to do with that circus. Trey Gowdy and Bad Haircut Guy were putting on a show for the cameras, nothing more. Strzok clearly understood this, and I don’t fault him for being unable to keep a straight face as they made fools of themselves.

    Dave (445e97)

  278. trey gowdy’s a turd what’s still fresh n wet from his years at justice and guess what

    he has his own agenda

    just like all the other doj turds

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  279. Strzok’s demeanor frankly fits my mental image of how a hypothetical hearing in which Patterico was being verbally assailed by a bunch of less intelligent democratic congressmen determined to make him look bad, and failing, might transpire.

    (No moral comparison or equivalence is implied, just that they are both smart guys who get testy when falsely accused by morons…)

    Dave (445e97)

  280. Consider notes Trulock it was his overzealousness that sank the wen ho Lee case

    Narciso (1a1ce8)

  281. Shockingly Mr Montagu, you’re at least two weeks behind:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/the-forgotten-2:the-case-of-the-forgotten-russians

    Narciso (1a1ce8)

  282. Strzok’s demeanor frankly fits my mental image of how a hypothetical hearing in which Patterico was being verbally assailed by a bunch of less intelligent democratic congressmen determined to make him look bad, and failing, might transpire.

    lots to unpack here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  283. No, our host is an honorable man, he wouldn’t fix or manufacture evidence, engage in ex parte communications with a judge

    Narciso (1a1ce8)

  284. It was inbred chickens coming home to roost. The Hohenzolerns, the Hapsburgs, the Romanovs, the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas (Windsor).

    The poor French had the best warm water ports and the Germans also stood to get their overseas colonies. The Turks were smarting after the horrible ethnic cleansing they had just suffered in the Balkans, and on top of that everybody wanted their oil for their navies.

    Or maybe it was the International Zionist Conspiracy to bring down the Russian Empire. It’s hard to say.

    nk (dbc370)

  285. Sorry, wrong thread.

    nk (dbc370)

  286. yes it would have happened eventually, if not in the Balkans, north Africa, perhaps in china, where the factions were side by side,

    narciso (d1f714)

  287. The Stable Genius, on whether he would ask Putin to hand over the indicted Russians:

    “Well, I might. I hadn’t thought of that, but certainly I’ll be asking about it.”

    LOLOLOLOL

    You’d think with modern technology they could get him a tape-delayed Fox & Friends feed over there in Europe, so he wouldn’t be forced to come up with ideas like this on his own!

    Dave (445e97)

  288. i’m gonna jump out there and bet putin decides not to extradite

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  289. That would be my guess too. 😂

    nk (dbc370)

  290. Well there was the Much more justifiable extradition to Tunisia which the German courts scotched.

    Narciso (25d2fa)

  291. “If you want to avoid a fight, you must extradite!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  292. felipe (023cc9) — 7/15/2018 @ 6:24 pm

    That is my guess as to what Trump will be reported as saying to Putin about the matter.

    felipe (023cc9)

  293. i’m gonna jump out there and bet putin decides not to extradite

    Which means Putin stands behind his miltary’s acts of war on the United States, and we should – at a minimum – break off diplomatic relations immediately.

    It would have been better, of course, if the Dotard-in-Chief hadn’t gone out of his way to insult all our (former) allies a week ago…

    Dave (445e97)

  294. We’re not going to let a special counsel bring us into a state of war with a nuclear power with rubber-stamp grand jury “ham sandwich” indictments.

    nk (dbc370)

  295. On Friday, it became the official legal position of the people of the United States, through their government, that these crimes were committed as described in the indictments. In that regard, Mueller’s indictment is as authoritative as the report from a military base subjected to enemy attack.

    We’re already in a state of war, but the Russians are the only ones fighting. And they’re doing so risk-free, at the moment.

    Dave (445e97)

  296. The earlier indictments were of the “ham sandwich”, the latest ones are of 12 bowls of borscht.
    I wonder what’s for dessert?
    5 guys running a server farm in Vladivostok?

    I wonder if a couple of the indictments will turn out to be of people who are janitors or better yet, dead for years

    steveg (a9dcab)

  297. Silly juche dave, there is more likely a state of war with cuba that murdered four Americans 22 years ago.

    Narciso (deb479)

  298. Dave

    That “reset” button Hillary gifted to Putin must have had “kick me” written on it.

    Those Obama geniuses really knocked it out of the park in their first year. Cash for Clunkers on the economic side, some lame misspelled “reset” button and “soft power” on the international diplomacy side.
    Why not just give Putin a Stalin bobblehead and a complete collection of Solzhenitsyn’s works

    steveg (a9dcab)

  299. Now with the kingdom there might be more of an open question, since certain state employees did enable the hijackers

    narciso (d1f714)

  300. I really would like to know if Mueller and his team are billing the taxpayers by the hour, at K Street rates, for this clown show.

    nk (dbc370)

  301. “You can’t live with the thought that an FBI agent might hold political views different from yours?”

    His views aren’t actually all that different, someone who says ‘there’s no there there’ about Trump/Russia has an informed political opinion not all that dissimilar from mine.

    Someone who drops what their logical mind told them at the beginning and then turns into a parody of an Aaron Sorkin character because his side piece made googly eyes at him and other people promised loadsa money for getting the guy they hate By Any Means Necessary? Nah, fry him.

    “I wonder if a couple of the indictments will turn out to be of people who are janitors or better yet, dead for years”

    That’s the best-case scenario, we’ve already seen what the SC does (turn tail and run) when the Russians they subpoena actually show up in court.

    “Silly juche dave, there is more likely a state of war with cuba that murdered four Americans 22 years ago.”

    They’re already writing private property into the new Cuban constitution! Trump not only killed Castro with his mind-rays but dispelled the ghost of Marx from that benighted isle! Of course, now that they’re less avowedly Communist, this means that liberals and #Resist-urds are now much more likely in the near future to talk about CUBAN COLLUSION and make dark and maliciously unspecified allusions to low-information voters about how the Cuban Missile Crisis That Totally Happened Like Just Yesterday means We Have Always Been At War With Cuba.

    Computer Wizard (03a9bd)

  302. No sadly that’s not entirely so, little bro Raul has been shutting down paladares (sole proprietor restaurants), he
    has been aiding the suppression in Venezuela and Nicaragua.

    narciso (d1f714)

  303. Shockingly Mr Montagu, you’re at least two weeks behind:

    The basis for the “Thinker” piece was a 6/22 DDID article, using anonymous sources (“people familiar with”). The whole reason for Concord to go to court was to get classified intel during discovery and pass it on to Putin, and they’re still arguing about it.

    Paul Montagu (91b6ad)

  304. No i wee going by the June 30th post piece, now has there been any more news that I should be privy to.

    narciso (d1f714)

  305. Further, dubelier their lead fatty spent eight years in the sdny before hanging out a shingle.

    narciso (d1f714)

  306. nk, a significant fraction of Mueller’s people are career employees temporarily assigned to him, who the government would be paying regardless.

    Mueller’s annual budget is something like $7M. While it’s troubling to think of how many badly needed dining room sets, fountain pens, shopping junkets and rounds of golf Trump and his cabinet will have to make due without, that number doesn’t look very inflated to me.

    Dave (5958e0)

  307. Yes one defended the fellow who mishandled Hillary’s servers one burnt at this andersen to the ground, (reversed on appeal, but the damage was done) others have been admonished for prosecutorial overreach, all have toes to hillary

    Narciso (b2eb1c)

  308. Mueller’s annual budget is something like $7M.

    that might be quarterly

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  309. but that was at the very beginning

    his witch hunt has bloated fantastically since then

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  310. Don’t tell anyone, they are building the triskelion on Roosevelt island.

    Yes from Roswell to kill list I followed Mrs heigls but doubt was a,final steaw.

    Narciso (b2eb1c)

  311. As of the end of March, he had spent a total of $17M. That includes people assigned to him who the government would be paying regardless.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-russia-investigation-cost-robert-mueller-2018-5

    There is a full report itemizing all expenses at the link.

    Dave (5958e0)

  312. so in the first 10 months they spend 16.8 mil

    which would be a burn rate of 5.1 a quarter

    but we also know he’s added a lot of staff since then, and that his witch hunt, with the blessing of corrupt rod rosytwat, has branched out into increasingly inane areas

    what our fbi dick-lick friend has *not* done is shown a shred of evidence that there was any collusion with the russians, so none of the money dirty coward bob mueller has spent has actually been on point

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  313. Sasse: Trump shouldn’t dignify Putin with Helsinki summit

    does harvardtrash ben sasse ever tire of the smell of his own farts

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  314. The thing is, they haven’t done any new work since strzok fusion cell pipeline into the if a, the Flynn matter cane strzok, the manafort matter apparently came from the ap

    Narciso (b2eb1c)

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