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6/14/2018

Trump 2013: Openly Celebrating a Nuclear Deal Shows Weakness

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:14 am

Then:

Now:

No, it’s not news that a fool occupies the White House. But the hypocrisy is still newsworthy.

(H/t Allahpundit.)

Here’s a Sean Hannity “then and now” video. Embedding something from the Daily Show makes me throw up in my mouth a little, but the video is genuinely hilarious, and the source doesn’t matter when the hypocrisy is this stark:

No, it’s not news that Sean Hannity is an unprincipled fool. But the hypocrisy is still good for a laugh.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

449 Responses to “Trump 2013: Openly Celebrating a Nuclear Deal Shows Weakness”

  1. I’ve never even really thought that Sean Hannity was that smart to begin with.

    Gryph (08c844)

  2. Gryph, one does get that sense when listening on the radio to him…he comes off very similar to a slughtly more serious Regis Philbin.

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  3. A deal that didn’t go into effect for two years,

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. 2. Only ever so slightly more serious. And Regis never considered himself a serious pundit, did he?

    Gryph (08c844)

  5. This is a little premature. There is no deal as of today. This was more like a first date.

    I would point out that No. Korea recently released three American prisoners, which is good.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  6. Yes, that video demonstrates that Sean Hannity is a hypocrite. But, for years, I have been saying that there is something wrong with this guy. He seems to be growing more bitter and insecure all the while becoming increasingly successful. I have wondered what happened to turn that happy guy into this angry dude so quickly.

    Soon, maybe Michael Cohen will tell us.

    noel (b4d580)

  7. As opposed to who intern handler scarborough, Clinton flak stephanopoulos, mullah fan gyrl amampour,

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. Heh!

    nk (dbc370)

  9. Are we getting all hot takes from media matters or only half

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. Trump 2013…..”The reason great dealmakers do not OPENLY celebrate a deal, especially one that is not complete, is that it shows weakness to the other side.”

    Whew. For the last day I thought Trump didn’t know any better.

    noel (b4d580)

  11. This is a little premature.

    Ya think? You think it’s premature to declare the problem completely solved?

    This is wrongthink AZ Bob and we will not have it!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  12. Tell me who’s a serious pundit, zakaria the plagiarist, stengel the admitted propagandist?

    narciso (d1f714)

  13. Are we getting all hot takes from media matters or only half

    All.

    In fact I’m turning over the site to Media Matters next week. According to the Trump superfans it will be a seamless transition!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  14. there’s no question that Obama’s persian terror friends gloriously rolled America with the smug approval of corrupt peener-weener Bob Corker

    are pallets of cash heading to North Korea no i do not think so

    what’s happened is President Trump created a pathway to citizenship for our North Korean friends

    the hermit kingdom has some choices to make

    but our tatters what are stranded on the kimchi peninsula are safer than ever before

    and maybe someday they can come home.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. at least one of these is a fictional character:

    https://twitter.com/MollyMiller951/status/1007102443061047302

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. Narciso, “intern handler scarborough, Clinton flak stephanopoulos, mullah fan gyrl amampour”.

    happyfeet taught you well.

    noel (b4d580)

  17. Yes apologist for the Iranian regime, rub me wrong,

    narciso (ec90ac)

  18. But the hypocrisy is still good for a laugh.

    Yes, there’s that hypocrisy and then there’s the hypocrisy of only calling out Trump’s hypocrisy. Dubya’s criticism of nation building as a candidate and then total reversal as president was apparently all hunky dory with you.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  19. Say what you want, I am absolutely certain that the 2013 version of Donald Trump would have nominated President Obama for a second Nobel Prize, had Obama abased himself and our country by saluting a North Korean general like this.

    Dave (445e97)

  20. well that’s understandable in light of subsequent events:

    https://twitter.com/alimhaider

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. Negotiator in chief: How John Kerry delivered the Iran deal

    Just nine months into his tenure as Secretary of State, John Kerry successfully delivered an interim deal with Iran on its nuclear program. It is the most significant level of cooperation between the United States and the Iranians in decades and it could impact the remainder of his tenure.

    https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/25/politics/john-kerry-iran/index.html

    Will the Daily show be doing a compare and contrast with CNN?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  22. Dubya’s criticism of nation building as a candidate and then total reversal as president was apparently all hunky dory with you.

    Because there’s no difference between digging latrines in the middle of Europe and trying to drive terrorists out of the country they attacked our homeland from…

    Dave (445e97)

  23. Because there’s no difference between handing tens of billions to a terrorist state and getting hostages freed….

    random viking (6a54c2)

  24. Breaking: Authorities tighten the noose on the Trump crime syndicate:

    The New York attorney general is suing President Donald Trump’s charitable foundation along with its directors — the President, his sons Eric and Donald Jr. and daughter Ivanka, alleging they violated state and federal charities law.

    Attorney General Barbara Underwood alleges a pattern of persistent illegal conduct over more than a decade that includes extensive unlawful political coordination with the Trump presidential campaign.

    Dave (445e97)

  25. Lawfare at work Dave … five felonies a day.

    bendover (8f3556)

  26. There has been more crime exposed in the NY AG’s office just in the past year than in the Trump family since Trump has been alive.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  27. Sorry … three felonies a day.

    Lavrentiy Beria would be proud.

    bendover (8f3556)

  28. Yes, premature celebration is often a prelude to defeat. Trump’s presumptuous early morning statement (0556hrs, 6/13/18) upon returning to the US was entirely inappropiate. And, Trump obviously knows better, his previous Tweets prove it.

    So, the question of the day is why would Trump make such a rookie blumder: was he suffering from jet-lag; did he have a senior moment; did he Tweet before having morning coffee; was he baiting the noisy pack of ankle biting naysayers; or was he attempting to set the narrative going forward?

    ropelight (a4d333)

  29. splunge, but that is punditry today:

    https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1007224899256180736

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. @24. Yep! Our President is nothing but a thug.

    Tillman (a95660)

  31. Random Viking, “There has been more crime exposed in the NY AG’s office just in the past year than in the Trump family since Trump has been alive.”

    Unpaid vendors and paid porn stars. A fake University and bankruptcies. That’s before we have been allowed to see his finances and those promised tax records.

    But the “fixer” knows…. and Michael Cohen holds a lot of those secrets. Stay tuned.

    noel (b4d580)

  32. I think he let his ego take over, ropelight. As the world’s most powerful leader and Commander-in-Chief, he sees no risk or downside from doing whatever he feels like doing.

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. In the wake of a historic summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, North Korean media has started lavishing praise on the U.S. President.

    In some cases, the state-run media has even started calling him Supreme Leader, a name typically reserved for the country’s dictator Kim Jong Un, or Kim’s father and grandfather before him. All of these North Korean “Supreme Leaders” have a personality cult surrounding them. And now it appears Trump’s overtures to North Korea and willingness to treat Kim like a statesman has earned the U.S. President a similar amount of deference.

    North Korean television, which broadcast news about the meeting days after it took place, showed images of Trump and Kim walking together and called them the “Supreme Leaders” of their countries.

    The authoritarian regime in North Korea has long sought an audience with a U.S. President. But simultaneously, most of the country’s population has been taught that the U.S. in a nation of imperialists determined to destroy their country. The fact that Trump is now being portrayed as a leader worthy of respect demonstrates the Korean regime, which maintains complete control over every aspect of the media and every public message in its country, views Trump as someone it can work with.

    http://www.newsweek.com/north-koreans-call-donald-trump-supreme-leader-singapore-summit-praising-977252

    So much for what DCCSA said the morning papers were running for headlines. Looks like Trump didn’t get The US painted as fools.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  34. we’ll see if the deal is warranted, now the fact that the whole Wurlitzer who went stormy Daniels over both the framework, and the Rhodes road show, at best gave a yawn that’s worth a note, maybe.

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. You know, Patterico, George Orwell foresaw all of this delusional nonsense a half century ago. Not just in his novels, Animal Farm and 1984, but more in his essays and journalism. “Politics and the English Language” is an absolute must read, the most profound and prescient essay of the 20th century. Everything is “newspeak” and “doublethink” now. It requires one to hold mutually exclusive and contradictory positions at the same time, like praising prosperity while living in poverty. Such is the nature of the totalitarian state. It destroys free thought and abolishes creativity.

    GawainsGhost (b25cd1)

  36. Commies Love Trump!

    nk (dbc370)

  37. and you see why they overpaid at a $1.00 for newsweek, that is clearly a totalitarian regime,

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. ““Politics and the English Language” is an absolute must read…….”

    Agree, but don’t forget Homage To Catalonia.

    harkin (e5c973)

  39. But the “fixer” knows…. and Michael Cohen holds a lot of those secrets. Stay tuned.

    noel (b4d580) — 6/14/2018 @ 8:41 am

    Comey’s FBI — you mean that fixer? Yeah, stay tuned for the IG report today. I’m sure the “nothingburger” comments are already being teed up.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  40. a friend recommended that one, it was a very clear eyed view at the strengths and weaknesses of the republic, that orwell supported, I recommended dennis glover’s last man in Europe,

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. Yes, the IG report. Trump will misconstrue anything remotely helping his cause and if he cannot do that, we’ll be blessed with another tweet…… “Crooked Horowitz!”

    noel (b4d580)

  42. being commander in chief of a useless corrupt tranny-trash mattis military is something you just kinda have to chin up and make the best of

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. North Korea is happy but South Korea and other regional allies are worried.

    DRJ (15874d)

  44. Then there is this one today….

    (CNN)The New York attorney general on Thursday sued President Donald Trump’s charitable foundation along with its directors — the President, his sons Eric and Donald Jr. and daughter Ivanka, alleging they violated state and federal charities law.

    Attorney General Barbara Underwood alleges a pattern of persistent illegal conduct over more than a decade that includes extensive unlawful political coordination with the Trump presidential campaign.

    Well, Random Viking, I am sure you will have an excuse for this one too. Don’t let the facts get in the way when you construct it.

    noel (b4d580)

  45. Horowitz has fixed it for Comey.
    Round zem up and put those govt. lawyers in a chamber of gas.

    mg (9e54f8)

  46. A New York Democrat Attorney General is about as credible as a San Francisco S-M parlor madam. About as credible and half as ethical.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. yes yes Horowitz did a whitewash

    you have to wonder what goods the hot and horny men and women of the sleazy fbi got on him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  48. Trump. Owner and operator of the very successful…. Kool-Aid Pub.

    noel (b4d580)

  49. This is Schneiderman’s replacement, right?

    nk (dbc370)

  50. Daily Wire’s take on NY AG filing:

    “Undoubtedly, the Left will claim that this shows Trump is corrupt beyond all measure. In response, the Right will point out that money went to veterans — so what’s the big deal? Furthermore, the right will claim in response that the Clinton Foundation never faced this kind of legal scrutiny from the New York Attorney General’s office. In point of fact, too many charities operate without strict guidelines, and at the behest of political actors; the Trump Foundation isn’t alone, even if these allegations are true. There is something that feels targeted about this investigation, given the lack of corresponding investigations against prominent left-wing charities in New York. With that said, lawbreaking is lawbreaking, and if the situation were reversed — if these same allegations were made about the Clinton Foundation —the Right would undoubtedly be highly critical.”

    Meanwhile, The Clinton Foundation for political influence and Uranium Clearinghouse keeps moving along, albeit with the huge discounts enacted in Nov 2016.

    harkin (e5c973)

  51. just wondering when was the last time the Chinese invested half a billion dollars in Clinton properties?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/china-contributing-500-million-trump-linked-project-indonesia/

    Only a month ago. How time flies…

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  52. The video doesn’t play here. It just disappears. Do you have a link that can be clicked on?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  53. yes, Chinese lend money to a project in Indonesia, which has the largest Chinese expat colony, outside of Taiwan, nice try,

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. well there own neurosis, drive them into psychology:

    https://twitter.com/RealKyleMorris/status/1007270624534949889

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. Project just happens to have big links to Trump Organization
    Investment just happens to have been made while Trump was being toyed with by ZTE

    Corruption is not limited to Democrats and bureaucrats…

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  56. … or the DOJ, the military, the FBI, the poop-slick judiciary, congress, social media companies, the SPLC…

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. and zte had supply chains into Ericson and nokia, we’ve been through this,

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. Spanky salutes (SALUTES!) North Korean General. If Obama had done that, everyone would be having a cow. But, because cult…

    Tillman (a95660)

  59. @34. They don’t report our Fake News. Only their Fake News.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. Short narciso:
    I don’t care what Trump does….

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  61. Some Girls Guys

    Some guys write some good stuff
    Some guys make teh sale
    Some guys show us wisdom
    And others it’s an EPIC FAIL

    Some guys write some diamonds
    Some guys write teh dreck
    Some guys I don’t pay no mind to
    Unless it’s with a rubber check

    Some guys try their damnedest
    Others phone it in
    Some guys give opinions
    But all I read is just some spin

    So give it all you got now
    Give me all your gold
    I’ll do some ruminatin’
    But teh Trump stuff… is gettin’ pretty old

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  62. Sammy did you mean my video?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sATicwbtyG4&feature=youtu.be

    If that doesn’t work, search YouTube for Flag Day 2018 PennLive

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  63. #60, Tillman, you don’t seem to understand much about military traditions. Did you serve in the forces?

    ropelight (a4d333)

  64. Any military people here? AIUI, per discussions I have had in the past with military folk, it is permissible to return the salute of an enemy officer. Which is what Trump did. As a sign of respect. Interesting that, per the video that I saw, Trump first extended his hand to shake and the NORK saluted him first. Standard military protocol, again AIUI, in a non-surrender situation, and yet an acknowledgment of Trump’s superior position. Don’t know about surrender situations are specifically handled. I assume that would be different. But maybe not.

    What Trump did NOT do is bow down, bow waaaaay down, to a foreign head of state. On this matter I’ll leave you to do your own research as to what President might have done so….and pre-emptive for the true lefties here, Nixon did a minimal bow, more of a lean, toward Hirohito many years ago. Not that my old man didn’t pitch a fit about that. Appropriately so….but different.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  65. Also, meant to add…What would truly be disrespectful and justify an outrage if Obama DID salute a NORK officer is his failure on occasion to salute US Military personnel who saluted him.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  66. There is no requirement for Presidents to return military salutes. Reagan started it and the Bushes continued that tradition, but they were all former military. Trump seems to consider his attendance at military school as a form of military service. Maybe it was.

    As for saluting the enemy, perhaps the NK general saluted a foreign commander-in-chief?

    DRJ (15874d)

  67. Presidents do not have to return salutes.

    DRJ (15874d)

  68. lets ignore that the framework, actually helped kim 2nd finish their nuclear program, with no preconditions, a decade later, they hired social worker Sherman to make a bigger deal with iran,

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. presidents don’t have to bow down to saudi royal pedophiles either

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. Trump seems to consider his attendance at military school as a form of military service. Maybe it was.

    Nice subtle slam there. Classy.

    Presidents do not have to return salutes.

    What they have or have not to do is irrelevant. Doubt they have to shake anyone’s hand either, but hey. He was saluted first. And any US rules on presidential decorum and such would only apply to the US. Of course if he did not return the salute, I’m quite certain many would be whining about that. All that being said, I can’t personally imagine having someone salute me and not return it. But hey, I’m weird.

    Also, what happyfeet said.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  71. Well, Diamond and Silk would have been par for course in either milieu, Narciso (#69).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  72. Presidents do not have to return salutes.

    DRJ (15874d) — 6/14/2018 @ 10:25 am

    Correct, they don’t. I would’ve preferred that Trump not do it, but how many times would you salute if that meant softening relations in order to get hostages freed and reduce nuclear tensions? Zero?

    What did we get as part of any bowing by Obama?

    random viking (dd3142)

  73. happy, so speaking of “pedophiles”, should presidents have to dine with them and elevate their relatives to RNC chair?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  74. 70, maybe its not a salute as we think of them, but a North Korean (or both Korean) form of the one-finger salute. Ask that Gangnam Style guy.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  75. U should cross post this on redstate.com

    Jb (3e851c)

  76. no, they are just subject to crimethink, per Zuckerberg, I know MSNBC isn’t a serious outlet, but who is now, the mouse, the shorn peacock, the cracked tiffany network,

    narciso (d1f714)

  77. Salutes? Bows? What’s wrong with you people!?!?! Didn’t you sleep well?!?!?!

    After all: “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.”

    Happy Birthday, Captain, sir– and single digit salute to you, too– w/both hands! The citizens of Earth have moved on to the World Cup, America- it’s on all the TeeVees around the planet so party on with Vlad in Moscow!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. Speaking of which, Old School, I thought this was Morrissey at first, but http://www.yahoo.com/sports/world-cup-robbie-williams-flips-off-camera-opening-ceremony-152410208.html

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  79. pedophile Mitt Romney’s niece is actually a really good person i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. Today’s military salute is a survival of the medieval armored knight’s raising the visor on his helmet to reveal his idenity. It was an act of respect for an opponent to let him know who he was about to fight.

    Today’s salute is also a sign of respect, and it’s mutual. The salute is initiated by the lower ranking individual, and is returned by the superior. With the exception of extenuating circumstances, failure by either party is considered so disrespectful that punnishment my be warrantied.

    ropelight (a4d333)

  81. A big meh, its rather remarkable how everything gets fuzzy when it concerns the clintons

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. #85 Looks like Comey gets a sound spanking. Yay.

    Appalled (96665e)

  83. Sohrab Ahmari
    @SohrabAhmari
    How is it that Lisa Page’s question (“Trump’s not going to become president, right?”) was [released], but Peter Strzok’s response (“No, we’ll stop it”) was not until now? And how is that not a massive deal?

    My mind is boggled.

    __ _

    (((Jason Epstein)))
    @Southfive
    Moreover, that text wasn’t redacted. It wasn’t INCLUDED in that series of messages.

    Yeah, Trump’s the problem.

    harkin (e5c973)

  84. https://www.today.com/video/who-is-kim-jong-un-his-former-teacher-speaks-out-1252771907765

    Kim Jong Un probably knows English – he attended an English langiage school in Switzerland under an assumed name.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-un-high-school-teacher-switzerland-2018-6

    Then called “Pak Un”, masquerading as the son of an employee of the North Korean embassy, Kim is thought to have attended an English-language international school in Gümligen, near Bern. According to Riesen, Kim started school in Switzerland slightly over 20 years ago when he was 14 years old.

    The school did not confirm to NBC that Kim was a student, but it did say a North Korean student attended from 1998 to 2000. The school described the student as “well-integrated, diligent, and ambitious.” It also noted that his favorite hobby was basketball.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  85. 28. ropelight (a4d333) — 6/14/2018 @ 8:23 am

    So, the question of the day is why would Trump make such a rookie blumder: was he suffering from jet-lag; did he have a senior moment; did he Tweet before having morning coffee; was he baiting the noisy pack of ankle biting naysayers; or was he attempting to set the narrative going forward?

    Probably a bit of the last (Kim Jong Un seems to like to keep him happy, and with Trump declaring this kind of victory, he might be afraid to slow down because even aslow down would be great disappointment)

    But mostly Trump was anxious to hit back at his critics.

    It might also be that he expects this to succeed (where others in his administration are not so sure) but he is afraid that by the time that becomes clear, nobody will be paying attention.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  86. Seriously, the get together at the tarmac was unplanned, how do we take anything else seriously after that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  87. We also found that Comey usurped the authority of the Attorney General…

    I don’t think Comey usurped anything. That’s what he was told to do. But he’s claiming he did it on his own. That is impossible to believe.

    Comey’s departure from Justice Department norms almost had to be co-ordinated with the Attorney General. The Attorney General announced she would abide by his recommendation, but normally there wouldn’t be any!

    And if there was, what it was wouldn’t be public knowledge.

    On July 6, the Midyear
    prosecutors

    Prosecutors? Where did these prosecutors come from? That’s the dsy after Comey’s announcement. Note: Midyear was the code name for the Clinton email investigation.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  88. It is now an established FACT that HRC offline emails resulted in SECRET documents came into the possession of at least one foreign government.

    The focus of the media thus far on a lack of political bias finding against Comey is infuriating!!!!!!! The IG DID find political bias as to Strzok. But, the first blush of history is written and a lack of political bias is the finding proffered. Maddening.

    Also infuriating is the IG’s refusal to decry the ultimate decision to not prosecute HRC. How on earth can the lead investigator be found to have a bias, but then the ultimate decision to stand idle on prosecution was not similarly tainted??????!!!!!!

    Horowicz is another Mueller. The Deep State wins another huuuuuuge victory.

    Ben Franklin was so correct. We have abdicated our liberty and our republic is teetering on collapse.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  89. Those on the right are going to be very disappointed overall with this report. That’s my preliminary conclusion after a close reading of the multi-page executive summary; obviously it’s subject to revision as I continue working through the rest of this document.

    As summarized by the IG himself, though, this report hews very closely to prior IG practices, which effectively prevented the IG from second-guessing substantive decisions like the one Comey made (beyond his authority) to the effect that Hillary wouldn’t be prosecuted. This report doesn’t argue, and doesn’t provide a whole lot of evidence even for someone else to argue, that Hillary should have been indicted. And based on the executive summary, I’m not optimistic that it connects the dots of the Lynch-directed whitewash, way upstream of Comey and the FBI; but I’ll reserve judgment on that for now.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  90. Political hacks will be political hacks. I don’t watch their shows, because they are so predictable that I could write a report of every show’s content before even watching it. It would read as follows: “Everything my favorite politician does is right and defensible, and everything the other side does is wrong and…you should be outraged!” Political hacks operate by stirring up outrage at the attacks against our side – by defending our side – and ginning up outrage at the other side for doing things with which we don’t agree. In other words, they are emotional manipulators. Apparently lots of audiences just LOVE to be manipulated by people who control them by playing on their emotions rather than their minds. That’s why Hannity has such a huge audience.

    If I were Trump, I wouldn’t be congratulating myself over successfully eliciting the same promise out of North Korea that several subsequent presidential administrations received. That’s like taking your Nigerian Uncle up on his offer of money to you. The promises of North Korea to denuclearize are just as reliable as the promises of the spammer posing as your Nigerian Uncle. Don’t fall for it!

    LJ (df9cb7)

  91. Further to my comment at #94, and pertinent to Ed from SFV’s dismay (#93), here’s how the executive summary describes the self-imposed limits on the IG’s critique of the substantive decisions (key among them whether to indict Hillary or not):

    For each of these decisions, we analyzed whether there was evidence of improper considerations, including bias, and also whether the justifications offered for the decision were a pretext for improper, but unstated, considerations.

    The question we considered was not whether a particular investigative decision was the ideal choice or one that could have been handled more effectively, but whether the circumstances surrounding the decision indicated that it was based on considerations other than the merits of the investigation. If a choice made by the investigative team was among two or more reasonable alternatives, we did not find that it was improper even if we believed that an alternative decision would have been more effective.

    Thus, a determination by the OIG that a decision was not unreasonable does not mean that the OIG has endorsed the decision or concluded that the decision was the most effective among the options considered. We took this approach because our role as an OIG is not to second-guess valid discretionary judgments made during the course of an investigation, and this approach is consistent with the OIG’s handling of such questions in past reviews.

    Following this standard effectively made it impossible for the IG to effectively reverse (e.g., through a new criminal referral to a prosecuting U.S. Attorney) Comey’s substantive decision (ratified by Lynch’s DoJ) not to indict Hillary.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  92. What did we get as part of any bowing by Obama?

    random viking

    Isn’t the Hannity POV that simply sitting at the table with bad guys is a brave and great thing, a “win on both sides”?

    How on earth are Trump’s fans distinguishing Obama’s bowing from Trump’s tweets and comments about how good a person Kim is, and how his trend of murdering his citizens is relatively normal and acceptable?

    Both presidents have been quite deferential. Obama’s apology tour is tough to beat, but if that’s really the standard for Trump’s fans, then that’s a pretty poor standard. The ‘buh buh but the other political party’ is such a worn out excuse. Trump’s supposed to be tough, and not comparable to Obama bowing.

    Interestingly, Trump is not so nice to our actual friends, calling them ‘so called’ friends. He is much more comfortable with dictators and despots than well educated and democratically elected leaders of free peoples. I’m fascinated by this. Is it some kind of inferiority complex? Watching Trump interact with a good guy versus a bad guy gives me a distinct impression of who Trump would prefer to drink an O’Douls with.

    Today’s salute is also a sign of respect, and it’s mutual. The salute is initiated by the lower ranking individual, and is returned by the superior. With the exception of extenuating circumstances, failure by either party is considered so disrespectful that punnishment my be warrantied.

    ropelight

    The regulation I was taught, AR 600-25, is crystal clear. You are required to exchange salutes within the armed forces of the USA, and it is not required, but is customary, to exchange salutes with friendly allied military forces. Policies requiring salutes to our allies can be established by commanding generals of the various theaters, and have been. Our Korean command, USFK, does not recognize North Korea as an ally and does not require a salute to their military. When I served in USFK I did indeed follow policies to salute Korean officers, and they responded consistently and politely. The ROK military is very professional. The one time I interacted with the North Korean military we did not acknowledge eachother professionally at all. There’s nothing wrong with that, as we were enemies.

    Trump is a civilian leader, and under this regulation, AR 600-25 subsection 1-5G, he is not required to exchange salutes with anybody. DRJ is right that there’s a tradition of doing it anyway, but mainly by our veteran leaders.

    Trump certainly was not required to salute the North Korean military, and it would not have been disrespectful to ignore their salute, because the spirit of a salute is that we do not stand armed against one another, and the US military indeed stands very armed in South Korea and Japan. Trump can salute and bow and praise any dictatorship he wants, but the idea he had to do it out of respect is not correct in this case. Instead, Trump’s communication of deference and respect for our enemy sends a clear message to our allies and enemies. It’s intentional and purposeful and likely planned.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  93. “An FBI attorney who worked on the special counsel’s Russia investigation until earlier this year sent anti-Trump text messages to a colleague, including one exclaiming: “Viva le Resistance.”

    The attorney’s comments are revealed in a Justice Department inspector general’s report released on Thursday.

    The lawyer is not identified, but he worked on the Hillary Clinton email investigation and was the FBI’s lead attorney on the investigation into Russian election interference. He was assigned to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation soon after it began in May 2017 and left in late February of this year after some of his private messages were shared with the special counsel.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/14/mueller-lawyer-resisted-trump/

    What evidence of bias? lol

    harkin (e5c973)

  94. Yes, there’s that hypocrisy and then there’s the hypocrisy of only calling out Trump’s hypocrisy. Dubya’s criticism of nation building as a candidate and then total reversal as president was apparently all hunky dory with you.

    Putting the word “apparently” in front of something you made up with no evidence doesn’t mean your statement isn’t a giant ass-pull. Prove your assertion or apologize.

    The burden lies with the person making the claim.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  95. Thank you, Beldar!

    The fix was in. As it is with the avoidance of a grand jury and the naoming of another IG investigation last month.

    Blatant documentary evidence was found, which supported the general approach found to be “lazy” in this entire investigation. It simply must matter that Comey’s decision based on the garbage he was given (and clearly wanted) was itself, garbage. I could not care less about Comey’s decision. It’s all about the corrupt road map he and his superiors laid out. THOSE are the treasonous and conspiratorial decisions which must be emphasized.

    Sessions is in no way conflicted out of the HRC email crimes. He can now step in and go crazy if he wishes. He’ll stand mute.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  96. Did we expect anything else, but the dossier had to be released inverted forthwith,

    narciso (4d9810)

  97. did he Tweet before having morning coffee; was he baiting the noisy pack of ankle biting naysayers; or was he attempting to set the narrative going forward?

    ropelight (a4d333) — 6/14/2018 @ 8:23 am

    Insightful question. I don’t think Trump did it on accident. I think the pattern is very clear, even predictable, once you see it. Trump is baiting the so-called “enemies of the USA” as he calls them (meaning people like me, our media, nevertrumpers, democrats). He wants to show that as he works hard to establish these meetings, he’s constantly being attacked by people who want his efforts to fail.

    Trump wants the overall news narrative to be on this North Korean effort, and therefore he needs to stoke a lot of controversy. If everyone just agrees, there’s no story.

    This is why Trump sent his senior advisor to tell the NYT that the June 12 date was extremely unlikely, and then called that an example of fake news and kept the date.

    By keeping the narrative on this effort, the shoes dropping with Manafort aren’t on the front page. It’s easy to keep an older story buried, and this whole controversy helps Trump dismiss that scandal with ‘they’ve been looking for years and found nothing, and look how they fight me on national security anyway’.

    At least this is my theory. I don’t think I’m giving Trump too much credit because he is surrounded by hard working advisors.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  98. Remember, the msm will tell us what matters and what doesn’t.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/1007339187669012480/photo/1

    harkin (e5c973)

  99. You mean the lobbying that stirbauer and solana were also a party too, was that illegal, rhetorical, they couldn’t prosecute Hillary without prosecuting Obama.

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. yes yes Horowitz did a whitewash

    Funny how no Trump supporters said such a thing re the IG report on McCabe. It’ll interesting to see the folks who said that Horowitz was credible then but not now.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  101. Dustin: Interestingly, Trump is not so nice to our actual friends, calling them ‘so called’ friends. He is much more comfortable with dictators and despots than well educated and democratically elected leaders of free peoples. I’m fascinated by this. Is it some kind of inferiority complex?

    Love that “well educated”…. Clearly they would blend right in inside a Harvard faculty lounge.

    Inferiority complex? No. Maybe a Bush complex, since that was the sort of relationship Dubya had. Remember Rumsfeld’s “Old Europe” line? But that was Bush, so that was okay.

    The G7 has become a forum for European style democracies (I include Canada in that) to b!tch about the U.S., and true allies shouldn’t be doing that. Bring a Poland or Hungary into it and maybe it would be more balanced.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  102. Patterico: Putting the word “apparently” in front of something you made up with no evidence doesn’t mean your statement isn’t a giant ass-pull. Prove your assertion or apologize.

    The burden lies with the person making the claim.

    Fair enough. Proof: You voted for him twice.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  103. @ Ed from SFV (#100): I agree with you that the only official who could remedy the malfeasance committed by Lynch’s DoJ (with Comey as their tool) on the Clinton emails prosecution declination is current Attorney General Jeff Sessions. I likewise agree with you that he could do so despite, and without violating, his self-recusal from the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign. And, alas and very sadly, I likewise agree with your prediction that Sessions will end up doing exactly nothing.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  104. how many days has it been since we did the summit and not been nuked yet?

    that was definitely a pivot point

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  105. I’m still trying to process “failure by either party is considered so disrespectful that punnishment my be warrantied.”

    Is that a written warranty? Ninety-days, one year? Money-back or just repairs?

    Is punnishment the infliction of punishment by very bad puns?

    More substantively: I can totally imagine that Kim might have had a disrespectful general hoisted over the mouth of an anti-aircraft gun just before it’s fired. Who do you have in mind who might have punnnnnnnished Trump, though, ropelight?

    Stormy?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  106. McCabe’s the fall guy

    that’s why the hot and horny men and women of the sleazy corrupt fbi forced gofundme to change their policies and let this criminal p.o.s. raise money for his criminal defense

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  107. QED, if you’re okay with Trump treating Kim like a Wise Leader and World Power and Good Fella What Oughta Come to the White House, you’re bound to be okay with him saluting the top military enforcers Kim uses to threaten us and imprison his own people.

    ropelight, you’d have been okay with it if Trump had given the general a big sloppy Harvey-Weinstein-style tongue kiss, right?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  108. Following this standard effectively made it impossible for the IG to effectively reverse (e.g., through a new criminal referral to a prosecuting U.S. Attorney) Comey’s substantive decision (ratified by Lynch’s DoJ) not to indict Hillary.

    Question, Beldar. Could Comey’s decision to not indict Hillary be reviewed by the Office of Legal Counsel? This assumes that Comey did not consult the OLC to begin with.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  109. Funny how no Trump supporters said such a thing re the IG report on McCabe. It’ll interesting to see the folks who said that Horowitz was credible then but not now.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed) — 6/14/2018 @ 12:24 pm

    Horowitz was championed by Sessions. Trump criticized the appointment and reliance on Horowitz. I have always favored siccing a SC on the FBI/DOJ, given the precedent.

    Would be interested to know how many Trump critics would oppose the appointment of a SC to fully investigate. There’s more justification to appoint one in this case then there ever was to investigate Russian collusion.

    random viking (25deb3)

  110. @Beldar #112

    QED, if you’re okay with Trump treating Kim like a Wise Leader and World Power and Good Fella What Oughta Come to the White House, you’re bound to be okay with him saluting the top military enforcers Kim uses to threaten us and imprison his own people.

    …and, to think that some of them were horrified, just a few years ago, at Obama’s bow. It’s truly amazing how defensible politicians become, once they wear the right party label. That label singlehandedly moves all their horror-inducing behaviors into the “right, if you only understood the strategic brilliance of that move!” column.

    Maybe we should be singing the praises of political labels – just what powerful diplomats they are, as demonstrated in their ability to cause us to lay down all our arms of opposition – instead.

    LJ (df9cb7)

  111. (I’m just joking, ropelight. I really don’t want to know your views on Trump and tongue-kissing.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  112. In Europe, police officers in uniform would salute us when they stopped us for traffic violations, or when we approached them for directions. They did not expect a salute back. Merely reciprocation of civility.

    The Uniform Code of Military Justice rule is simple. People in uniform salute. People also in uniform return the salute. People in civvies acknowledge the salute with a nod or spoken greeting.

    #Trump Loves Commies!

    nk (dbc370)

  113. it’s a president not a slut-queen like you have in leggy meggy’s britain

    presidents can bow or return salutes if they want they’re not prisoners to protocol

    obama chose to bow to a saudi pedophile

    President Trump chose to acknowledge a respectful salute from a gulagger of a country we want to make peace with and returned it and then shook hands

    these are not comparable events really other than they both were of course free to make these choices

    but in obama’s case it remains unclear why he bowed to a pedophile like a slut

    President Trump on the other hand wants to make peace with North Korea so someday we can pull our tatters out of the parasitic cowardly scumsuck nation of South Korea (which shares a border with North Korea) and bring them home and save an ass-load of borrowed chineser dollars!

    advantage: President Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. All of this is about theatrics. Yes, politicians toot their own horn and denigrate other politicians. That is as old as Julius Caesar.

    The real question in my mind is whether this will result in denuclearization of North Korea. On that the jury is still out.

    One thing I would criticize Trump for is saying he trusts Kim. I would rather he had quoted Ronald Reagan, who said that while he trusted Gorbachev, he would follow the motto Trust But Verify.

    That should be our motto now. Trust But Verify.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  115. Nixon is praised for shaking the hand of map who wiped a generation but is excoriated for enabling Pinochet who killed 3,000, the Ukrainians (our allies) celebrate Bandera who was responsible for the death of 30k alone on the Ukrainian polish border, which atrocity do you prioritize.

    narciso (5d8099)

  116. The real question in my mind is whether this will result in denuclearization of North Korea.

    that’s definitely a nice big enchilada but there are other enchiladas for example there is the nonproliferate enchilada where we

    1. persuade NK not to proliferate the nuclears

    2. forestall other nations from wanting to get nuclears

    If NK helps Iran get their nuclears then the Saudi pedophiles will get some nuclears and the dirty rapists of Egypt will get nuclears. What a mess.

    As you can see doing a return salute on a gulagger is maybe a worthwhile gesture on the road to a better world.

    Thank you President Trump!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  117. President Trump on the other hand wants to make peace with North Korea so someday we can pull our tatters out of the parasitic cowardly scumsuck nation of South Korea (which shares a border with North Korea) and bring them home and save an ass-load of borrowed chineser dollars!

    Thats a lot of potential WW(R)HD to unpack or take hot without the 7 second delay.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  118. In or around 1963, my family drove from my hometown in west Texas to California for a family vacation (scheduled around my father’s attendance at the Lions Club International convention being held in Los Angeles). We started our progression up the Pacific coast at Naval Base San Diego, whose crisply uniformed and very serious MPs stopped our Buick Riviera at the front gates.

    Asked our business, my dad said he wanted to show his kids some of our ships, since he’d been in the Navy himself but we’d none of us ever seen the ocean. And after digging through his wallet, my dad produced for the MP’s close inspection a dog-eared, faded ID card evidencing his honorable discharge from active service, and his release back into the U.S. Navy Reserve as a Lieutenant (JG), in March 1946. The MP took the card into the guard hut and I could see him reading from the card into the phone during a short conversation with someone. At that point, the MP returned the card to my dad, cautioned us to stay on paved roads and inside the car, and to exit through the same gate when we were done. “Enjoy your driving tour, Lieutenant Dyer,” he said. And he saluted my dad, executed a precise about-face, and returned to the guard hut as the barrier lifted in front of our Buick.

    I was gobsmacked. Still am.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  119. 12 Things You Need To Know About The Inspector General’s DAMNING Report on The FBI’s Hillary/Trump Conduct

    Excerpts:

    “3 – Comey Watered Down His Draft Statement On Hillary Dramatically. The original draft statement on Hillary said she’d been “grossly negligent”; that was changed to “extremely careless.” The statement was changed from “reasonably likely” that Hillary had been hacked by hostile actors to “possible.” And finally, the original statement mentioned that President Obama had been in an email exchange with Hillary; his name was removed.
    ……

    11 – FBI Employees Leaked To The Press Regularly. According to the IG report, “We identified numerous FBI employees, at all levels of the organization and with no official reason to be in contact with the media, who were nevertheless in frequent contact with reporters.” FBI agents received “benefits from reporters” as well, including golf outings, drinks and meals.“

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/31867/12-things-you-need-know-about-inspector-generals-ben-shapiro

    harkin (e5c973)

  120. The IG’s mission is to help the DoJ police itself to ensure it’s following the law and its own rules — not whether it’s making good or bad calls on whether to prosecute specific individuals. That is a very limited remit! But within it, on specific issues and with regard to specific individuals on a few specific occasions, the report is very damning, and very persuasive. It is in that sense very comparable to the previous IG report on McCabe. It had a ton of evidence, in the aggregate very persuasive indeed, to show that particular statements by McCabe on particular occasions (sorted into “under oath” and “no oath” categories), McCabe had lied to the IG’s investigators. But on the big issues writ in bold face 80-point fonts, like, “Was McCabe in the tank for Hillary?” he does not go there, will not go there, will not even acknowledge that other folks are asking that question. He’s looking for breakers of specific DoJ and/or FBI rules from within the DoJ and FBI — not evaluating the job performance of those individuals in a larger sense, nor second-guessing any of their judgment calls and decisions, but instead only testing individual actions against the rule list. And Horowitz has been very, very strict in policing himself to stay within that limited remit. As soon as one plausible and unobjectionable justification has been given for a particular action, he checks that box and moves on.

    It’s not a whitewash. It’s a comprehensive answer to a question that’s different than the one everyone on the right wanted him to answer.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  121. The planted axiom of the piece is that Kerry’s deal with Iran is any good. Do you think anybody reading this missed that?

    Richard Aubrey (10ef71)

  122. @109.how many days has it been since we did the summit and not been nuked yet? that was definitely a pivot point

    What?!?! No birthday salute to our Captain by you, Mr. Feet?! Light those candles, Kim!!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. #71

    Agree that President does not have to return a salute, but doing so acknowledges the respect shown to the C in C. Additionally, returning respect to the rank and file….. the guys ask to die for their country. This care shown towards those beneath one in rank is somewhat unique to the American military.

    Returning a salute to a foreign military emissary when launching a new diplomatic initiative seems both astute and harmless.

    On bowing, it isn’t in harmony with our culture and our roots in rebellion to a king. We bow to no one. I’m sure their diplomats have briefed them on American culture… “Americans don’t bow. No offense meant, but it isn’t happening. “

    Steveg (cbe514)

  124. did you know dirty lecherous pappy bush’s birthday was two days ago? i read it on the internet – i just let it pass unremarked but

    Happy Birthday President Trump!

    you deserve the best birthday cause of all you do for us

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  125. @129Happy Birthday President Trump!
    you deserve the best birthday cause of all you do for us

    So cute! You’re so like a vapid Russian Doll inside a vapid Russian Doll inside a vapid Russian Doll inside a vapid Russian Doll inside a vapid Russian Doll inside a vapid Russian Doll inside …

    Q! (86710c)

  126. Returning a salute to a foreign military emissary when launching a new diplomatic initiative seems both astute and harmless.

    The meaning of a salute, as explained a few times above, is that we are not armed to fight you, and are respectful to you. I don’t think that should apply to a north korean military official who is used to threaten to kill Americans and North Korean citizens who defy their vicious dictator. Combined with Trump’s commentary and he is actively showing the very weakness Trump claims a leader shouldn’t show.

    On bowing, it isn’t in harmony with our culture and our roots in rebellion to a king.

    This seems like a much less important breach, but you’re still right about it. Sure, Obama bowing to Japan or other allies is way too deferential. But it’s not as big a deal as bowing and saluting and kissing the asses of enemies who constantly threaten to kill us.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  127. “You’re so like a vapid Russian Doll inside a vapid Russian Doll inside a vapid Russian…..”

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/10/16/4C0C8B5500000578-0-image-m-75_1525965280297.jpg

    harkin (e5c973)

  128. And Wray is a liar. “We accept the findings.” Then, the report did not find any bias in the investigation? My eye. The CHIEF investigator was chastised for bias by the IG. The infamous text exchange, on its face, betrays bias.

    Strzok retains his security clearances.

    Farce.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  129. You might be right, Harkin…Not much distance between HRC, Albright and Air Claire.

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  130. Patterico being extremely RACIST and PROVINCIAL as usual in assuming that Iranians are just different-colored North Koreas with the same history and heritage who demand the same approach to negotiating, but the amount of daylight between #NeverTrump and Richard Spencer types continues to narrow by the day.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  131. Am I the only one noticing the deadening effect Trump has had on morality within the Republican party? It seems that more and more Republicans no longer have functioning consciences – as noted by the increasingly degraded behavior they leap to defend, on behalf of their political party?

    LJ (df9cb7)

  132. I’m not too familiar w Claire but she certainly shot herself in the foot regarding the “Road Trip” when there was no reason at all to do so. Maybe she’s taking hypocrisy lessons from Manbearpig.

    harkin (e5c973)

  133. “Am I the only one noticing the deadening effect Trump has had on morality within the Republican party? It seems that more and more Republicans no longer have functioning consciences – as noted by the increasingly degraded behavior they leap to defend, on behalf of their political party?”

    The proper line of thinking is:

    “Your conscience was formed by your enemies from birth to ensure that you lose all political struggles.”

    If your enemies are doing it and not getting punished for it, do it. If your friends whine and complain about this more than they did when your enemies did it, they are not your friends.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  134. what does “morality within the Republican party” even mean

    they tried that and it was the gayest thing ever

    it culminated with Todd Akin nattering on about legitimate rape

    nobody wants to go back to that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  135. It means smile when they kick you in the face, so some people are unaccountable to law enforcement, kimberlin is one, the Clintons are another.

    narciso (1ae85b)

  136. If your friends whine and complain about this more than they did when your enemies did it, they are not your friends.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848) — 6/14/2018 @ 2:49 pm

    Obama was indeed criticized quite a bit for his bowing by the same people criticizing Trump for it (such as this blog). It’s a pure fiction that conservatives didn’t say anything about that.

    But this is politics, not friendship. Just look at how Trump went from loving Hillary to demanding she be in prison to loving her again. You don’t want a guy like that to be your friend. And indeed he is not. when Trump said you would support him after he shot a man in the street, that was not intended as a compliment.

    Trump’s also the guy who has made symbolism so important. He has complained about gestures quite a lot. Most recently, he made a huge national issue out of the NFL players who kneel during the anthem. Now Trump is making his best Jane Fonda impression towards our communist enemies. He now gets to live by his own set of rules. If the expectation of a football player is to support the USA, it’s not much to expect the US President to not praise and salute the men who want to destroy the USA.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  137. the norks don’t want to destroy the USA they want to rule a reunited kimchi peninsula

    which would be fine who cares

    we could bring our tatters home and let China and Japan deal with those losers

    it’s a real thing that could happen

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  138. but the amount of daylight between #NeverTrump and Richard Spencer types continues to narrow by the day.

    1. Stick it up your lying Trumpkin ass; and
    2. There is no daylight at all between you Trumpkins and Richard Spencer.

    nk (dbc370)

  139. feets, I think it would great to reunify the peninsula. Of course this can only happen with the end of the dictatorship. That should indeed be the ultimate goal.

    As for the notion the North Koreans do not wish to kill Americans,

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/asia/north-korea-preemptive-nuclear-strike-threat/index.html

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10997161/North-Korea-threatens-nuclear-strike-on-White-House.html

    North Korea has also engaged in Al Qaeda style attacks, including hijacking airplanes and capturing US Military members.

    If somehow Trump brought an end to the North Korean government, that would truly be an astonishing triumph. I’m not sure how his praise for that government is helping to end it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  140. Not only that, Dustin, but also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  141. Richard Spencer’s that guy Marco Rubio tried to elevate to rockstar status so he could do virtue signal all up in it

    strange little man, lil roob roob

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. Of course this can only happen with the end of the dictatorship.

    no it could happen if we did treachery on the pussyhat south and let the norks take over and steal all the kimchi!

    North-Korea-threatens-nuclear-strike-on-White-House.html

    no see that’s not really a thing cause there’s absolutely no upside for our North Korean friends in this scenario…

    Here’s the thing.

    President Trump’s to be commended for going out of his way to the extent that he has to try and find a win-win-win solution for all the stakeholders.

    That man has the patience of a saint.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  143. “If somehow Trump brought an end to the North Korean government, that would truly be an astonishing triumph. I’m not sure how his praise for that government is helping to end it.”

    I’m not sure at all either, we just have to let it play out. I would be very surprised if the govt of NK lightened up on human rights but you can never tell w communist regimes, they can appear robust a month before they implode.

    OTOH, I was pretty sure from Day 1 when Clinton agreed to supply NK w nuke technology while telling the world it would not be weaponized how THAT would turn out…..same with Chairman Zero and his Iran fraud.

    harkin (e5c973)

  144. Not only that, Dustin, but also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123) — 6/14/2018 @ 3:15 pm

    Yes. I heard the North Koreans have one of the axes used to murder our soldiers on display in a museum. I understand that holding a grudge can get in the way of peace, however I also believe that saluting our enemies is not consistent with Trump’s constant complaining about unpatriotic gestures, nor his constant lectures about not looking weak.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  145. I would be very surprised if the govt of NK lightened up on human rights but you can never tell w communist regimes, they can appear robust a month before they implode.

    True. We don’t always see it coming. Among the many things our CIA missed was the fall of the Soviet Union.

    OTOH, I was pretty sure from Day 1 when Clinton agreed to supply NK w nuke technology while telling the world it would not be weaponized how THAT would turn out

    Yeah I would think we didn’t need a lesson on how that would turn out. We all knew we were getting conned. But apparently some still think these deals are a good idea.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  146. 94 — LOL Beldar.

    I was first taken in by the blaring headlines based on all the leaks making their way to the press from those implicated in the report. So I started into reading it with some doubts about how the IG had confronted some of the issues and questions.

    I skipped completely the Executive Summary, and went straight to Chapter Five on the investigatinve decisions made in the Clinton email investigation.

    It’s a riot — it confirms all the suspicious. DOJ was completely tilted against actually uncovering any evidence that might lead to a prosecution of Clinton and others, and as soon as the Russia investigation came on the screen for the FBI in mid-summer 2016, they all flocked to it to do whatever they could do to head-off a Trump election.

    After the election, and unnamed FBI Attorney texted to other fellow travelers — “Vive La Resistance”.

    Its going to take dozens of hours to unwind the ACTUAL FACT buried in the report — as opposed to the Exec. Summary which is a characterization of facts.

    My reading so far shows the ACTUAL FACTS, based on what people said in interviews and wrote contemporaneously with the events, is that its a MOAB dropped on the Dem Party and NeverTrumpers.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  147. “But apparently some still think these deals are a good idea.”

    Is there a new deal to provide nuke tech to a despotic nation?

    harkin (e5c973)

  148. “Its going to take dozens of hours to unwind the ACTUAL FACT buried in the report — as opposed to the Exec. Summary which is a characterization of facts.

    Sounds like the executive summaries from the UN’s IPCC assessments on climate change, where in some cases they said the opposite of what the scientist found.

    harkin (e5c973)

  149. @Dysphoria Sam #138:

    The proper line of thinking is:

    “Your conscience was formed by your enemies from birth to ensure that you lose all political struggles.”

    If your enemies are doing it and not getting punished for it, do it. If your friends whine and complain about this more than they did when your enemies did it, they are not your friends.

    God implanted the conscience. He is not my enemy.

    Power is a means to an end, not the end in itself. We want power so that we can improve our country. But we can’t improve our country without being moral ourselves. Tit for tat thinking, such as yours, degrades humans to brute behavior.

    You view the conscience as the hindrance to survival; I view it as the means for survival. You think it prevents us from being able to defend ourselves, I think it prevents us from destroying ourselves. Why? Because the foundation of law and order, and the entire justice system, is morality.

    You wouldn’t like lack of conscience so much if it were directed at you, in severe fashion. What if someone tried to kill you or rob you? What argument would you have against it? A MORAL one…because that’s all a legal argument is. If morality is no longer in play, the justice system would not exist, and you would have no protection. Nor would anyone else, therefore society would self-destruct.

    LJ (df9cb7)

  150. Harkin, they already have it. Trump can’t really give them knowledge twice. Is that all Trump needs to do? Not give them tech they already got?

    Besides, Trump is more emulating Jane Fonda than Bill Clinton. I can more easily see Trump sitting on a North Korean anti aircraft cannon while saluting his new leaders in the North Korean government and tweeting how stupid it is to criticize them for basically being as evil as any other nation is.

    As for your general point as to whether there is a new deal to help the despotic nation arm against us, the unfortunate fact is that Trump is absolutely doing this if he opens up trade sanctions intended to starve this nuclear dictatorship of technology and equipment. Let’s not be naive about our enemies.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  151. IMO, a big issue raised by the report, and one that a Sessions’ led DOJ could take on criminally in an effort to make an impact on a practice that must be discouraged, is to prosecute individuals who were using private email accounts to conduct government business.

    The practice appears to have been much more widespread than previously understood. I think it has likely grown out of an understanding that political opposition is becoming more sophisticated in using FOIA as a political weapon against the party in power, by exposing embarrassing or corrupt practices using communications and documents exchanged by government officials. To escape scrutiny — which is exactly why Clinton set up her private server — officials are using private email accounts so as to not create records that will be captured and preserved by government servers which might make them subject to disclosure in the future.

    Its a practice that needs to be curtailed, because if there isn’t some serious sanction for doing so, it’s a practice that is going to become more widespread.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  152. Patterico being extremely RACIST and PROVINCIAL as usual…

    If I were hosting a site and you said that to me, I’d bounce your a$$ outta here faster than Trump could say “FAKE NEWS”!

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  153. i wanna go up to Jane Fonda and say hey what’s that on your shirt and gesture towards her shirt and then when she looks down i’m gonna move my hand up and thwap her on her commie-loving nose ha made you look

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  154. one that a Sessions’ led DOJ could take on criminally

    this is like cutting away to an episode of my little pony in the middle of a game of thrones marathon

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  155. SWC – Horowitz states as a matter of FACT, that HRC emails found on an offline/unsecure platform, including at least one marked SECRET, were obtained/discovered by at least one foreign government.

    No criminal referral to DOJ by the IG.

    Where’s the MOAB explosion? It sounds more like a firecracker from here.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  156. 123 — Beldar, with 100% sincerity, I love that story. When I lived in DC, I used to stop by one of the gates into Fort Belvoir in the morning. I would sit for about 15 minutes and watch the Guards at the Gate use precise hand signals in a beautiful choreography to direct traffic as the vehicles entered. This was decades before 9/11 so there weren’t the kinds of hard barriers there are now, and traffic could enter the base without too much trouble, as most had decals that granted them regular access.

    It was like watching military ballet — the young enlisted men on a platform about 4 feet off the ground given signals to each vehicle as it entered, and when they recognized the rank of of the occupant snapping to attention and firing off a rocket-like salute, then turning their attention to the next car.

    The position rotated after about every 15 minutes, with a new soldier taking his turn — always under the watchful eye of a non-comm officer in the nearby guard shack.

    It always brightened my day to watch for about 20-30 minutes.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  157. 158.i wanna go up to Jane Fonda and say hey what’s that on your shirt and gesture towards her shirt and then when she looks down i’m gonna move my hand up and thwap her on her commie-loving nose ha made you look

    Oh no, no, no, Mr. Feet; celebrate the Space Age, go up to Jane Fonda and practice hard docking:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw6WMdrzbJw

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  158. “…..they already have it. Trump can’t really give them knowledge twice.”

    Once again, you said “but apparently some still think these deals are a good idea”

    Not ‘were’, ‘are’.

    I was only asking which current deal you were talking about, which appears to be none.

    “Is that all Trump needs to do? Not give them tech they already got?”

    Trump needs to do whatever it takes to erase as much damage as possible already done by Clinton’s horrible decision.

    Project all you wish about Trump enabling Kim to increase his power and further endanger peace, ill let it play out before I compare him to legitimate traitors.

    harkin (e5c973)

  159. “You view the conscience as the hindrance to survival; I view it as the means for survival.”

    It is the means for survival, which is why it’s the first target of the leftist education system.

    “There is no daylight at all between you Trumpkins and Richard Spencer.”

    Trumpkins don’t signal against Trump nearly as much as Richard Spencer does. They also aren’t composed mainly of failed-but-somehow-wealthy fringe Republicans, always attended to for first reactions by the leftist media, or always on hand to offer the worst possible advice whenever an issue of importance comes up.

    Really all of the #NeverTrumpers here are just “Trump is C*CKING on the our heritage and the heritage of the Glorious Moralo-State!” while normal people who can actually read history are like “dude, not really, and how does any of your own experience qualify you to comment with any finality on that?”

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  160. i wanna go up to Jane Fonda and say hey what’s that on your shirt and gesture towards her shirt and then when she looks down i’m gonna move my hand up and thwap her on her commie-loving nose ha made you look

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 6/14/2018 @ 3:46 pm

    Do you mean the Jane Fonda from the weird movies and married to Ted Turner, or the Jane Fonda who lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton and yet occupies the Oval Office and salutes communist military thugs? I get the two Jane Fondas confused.

    Horowitz states as a matter of FACT, that HRC emails found on an offline/unsecure platform, including at least one marked SECRET, were obtained/discovered by at least one foreign government.

    Yes, that conduct was ridiculous itself, and it was intended to avoid accountability for activities I doubt we ever learn about. Not sure why Trump isn’t keeping his promise to lock her up. I guess he’s gone Jane Fonda.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  161. i gotta ask my mom if i can watch that Mr. DCSCA

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  162. I get the two Jane Fondas confused.

    this is meant to be derogatory on President Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  163. No its criminal behaviour, something entirely different, was everyone in Hollywood stained in that war.

    narciso (d1f714)

  164. But on the big issues writ in bold face 80-point fonts, like, “Was McCabe in the tank for Hillary?” he does not go there, will not go there, will not even acknowledge that other folks are asking that question. He’s looking for breakers of specific DoJ and/or FBI rules from within the DoJ and FBI — not evaluating the job performance of those individuals in a larger sense, nor second-guessing any of their judgment calls and decisions, but instead only testing individual actions against the rule list. And Horowitz has been very, very strict in policing himself to stay within that limited remit. As soon as one plausible and unobjectionable justification has been given for a particular action, he checks that box and moves on.

    Beldar – on this you are exactly correct, and that’s precisely the role of the IG. He signaled that this would be the case a couple weeks ago in teh IG’s annual report to Congress on the status of various matters under investigation. In that report, in describing the work being done on the Clinton Email investigation, the IG noted that it would not be substituting its judgment for the judgment of DOJ or FBI officials on discretionary determinations involving the investigative process. The basis of the investigation was to determine if policies or regulations were violated. To make that judgment, the investigative decisions would have to be spelled out, and the explanations proffered for those decisions would be set forth, but the judgment about the wisdom of those decisions is a subject left for others.

    The fact that the IG doesn’t come to any conclusions in that regard does not mean that political actors in Congress and the Exec. branch can’t view the facts for themselves and come to judgments and decisions about whether further action is required to address them.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  165. In 1978 I was still able to drive into Camp Pendleton’s north gate with just my San Onofre Surf Club windshield decal. They even saluted us as we drove in. Almost always nice guys.

    harkin (e5c973)

  166. “or the Jane Fonda who lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton and yet occupies the Oval Office”

    Or the Jane Fondas who still don’t understand how the Electoral College works.

    harkin (e5c973)

  167. 160 — no criminal referral is necessary. DOJ can take up the new evidence, and make its own determination.

    The MOAB for me is that the scope of duplicity revealed across the FBI and DOJ under Obama in connection with both investigations — whether leading to criminal prosecutions or not — completely vindicates the position of the GOP and Trump campaign that the law enforcement apparatus run by the Obama Administration had its finger on the scales in the months leading up to the election.

    That has always been a “partisan” accusation leveled by one side against the other. Now you have an independent “truth teller” saying “Trump and the GOP are correct.”

    It crucifies Comey, completely undermining any credibility he had in the campaign he was part of against Trump in the first half of 2017, and makes him useless as a witness to Mueller. It also fully justifies Trump’s decision to fire him — and vindicates the memo written by Rosenstein on the same subject.

    What a non-lawyer fails to take away from a report such as this is the volumes of material it provides and directs you to for purposes of cross-examining a witness like Comey. You don’t give that witness an opportunity to explain his version of the facts determined by the IG — you simply hit him over and over again with “Isn’t it true that the Inspector General of the Department of Justice determined in its report on your conduct that you ……” The judge will put a stop to it after a while, but the damage is done by that point, and no amount of explanation on re-direct puts the toothpaste back in the tube.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  168. This is the NYTimes, not The Onion.

    Opinion
    James Comey: This Report Says I Was Wrong. But That’s Good for the F.B.I.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/06/14/the_ig_report_says_i_was_wrong_but_that039s_good_for_the_fbi_444929.html
    __ _

    Saw this earlier and it’s so prescient:

    “Gaze upon this abortion of nature! You are bearing witness to Comey in all his hulking grotesquery! A beast who straddles the axis of Friend and Foe to the befuddlement of all #Resisters! For he is Hillary’s Bane, and yet also the bane of Drumpf! Do take heed in Comey’s presence, as many a liberal has lost their mind to insanity while comprehending how one man can be both the Vanguard of Lawful Civility and the 2016 Election’s Reckoning! Indeed, it is Comey, the kingmaker and kingbreaker who wields Hillary’s emails in one hand and the coveted Steele dossier in the other!”

    https://resistancehole.clickhole.com/step-right-up-and-feast-your-eyes-on-the-unfathomable-c-1825329399

    harkin (e5c973)

  169. ivy league trash lickspittle Chris Wray thinks the IG report shows what a great job the hot and horny men and women of the sleazy slutty FBI are doing

    seriously.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  170. I wonder if Comey is still being offered pie.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  171. In perspective, the x files painted a much more competent view of the bureau then warranted.

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. 94. Beldar (fa637a) — 6/14/2018 @ 11:55 am

    As summarized by the IG himself, though, this report hews very closely to prior IG practices, which effectively prevented the IG from second-guessing substantive decisions like the one Comey made (beyond his authority) to the effect that Hillary wouldn’t be prosecuted.

    From a quick look at it, I got the idea that the IG says the decision not to prosecute was actually made by low level prosecutors.

    Comey didn’t say that at his press conference, or later, and neither did the Attorney General.

    I don’t know how the IG cannot take notice of all that, but I think he’s got a different version of events than what we were all told.

    He also wrote that when Comey revealed to Congress that the Clinton email investigation had been re-opened, he did not have two bad choices. His two choices – the two doors – were follow policy and not follow policy.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  173. Who wants to bet that Strzok and Page will be offerred early retirement to spend their future lounging in the Mediterranean, drinking red wine, their bellies full of goat meat… per recently unredacted exchanges, Page has been wanting to try shinshi shinshi, something Strzok had been begging her to try for months… per the report, she’d refused on the grounds that it was unclean. Finally, she told Strzok she was willing to accept her lover’s body in places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  174. And Trump signed teh Omnibus!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  175. There’s still no evidence of such a relationahip with cuddy,

    narciso (d1f714)

  176. A kind of “makes me chuckle” aspect of some of the interviews referenced on the subject of the roadblocks put in place by DOJ attorneys with regard to using consent rather than compulsory process to obtain evidence for review — the Report goes to great lengths to make repeated reference to the conclusions by Strozk, the lead FBI supervisor, the lead FBI Analyst, and others involved, that while the approach taken by the prosecutors to gather everything through consent, and use filter teams to safeguard any evidence the investigators should not see, all made the work of the investigators more difficult.

    But, at the end of the day they investigators all said that in looking back at everything they were able to obtain, they believe that they got all the information they needed to assess criminality.

    I find this funny because what else would you expect them to say??? “We contributed to a report, and supported the view that Clinton had not acted in a fashion that should subject her to criminal prosecution, but hey, we came to that conclusion knowing that important evidence in that regard was withheld from us”???

    Of course they are going to say “In hindsight, we got everything we needed even if it had been harder than it would have been had we used other means.” The are not going to call into question the veracity of their own judgments by saying “Stuff was withheld from us, but we didn’t say so in our declination”.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  177. Re: Two doors and Comey chose the wrong door by revealing the investigation had been re-opened:
    Then he should say Comey was wrong to promise Congress he would notify them if the case was re-opened.

    Tell me that making that promise was not political. Of course Comey thought it would never happen.

    And in Oct 2016 he thought Hillary would win by a wide margin so he didn’t want to accused of having hid something to protect Hillary.

    And that re-opened investigation:

    It wasn’t really – they scanned the emails superquickly almost entirely by machine and closed it again before Election Day. They were trying not to find any crimes unrelated to including classified information in unclassified email.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  178. 169. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 6/14/2018 @ 4:05 pm

    The fact that the IG doesn’t come to any conclusions in that regard does not mean that political actors in Congress and the Exec. branch can’t view the facts for themselves and come to judgments and decisions about whether further action is required to address them.

    It’s being reported that political bias (or worse) did not affect the investigation. Peter Strzok’s comment that “we” will stop Trump didn’t mean anything and it probably didn’t mean too much anyway – I mean exactly what did he do or want to do?

    I think the IG is taking every thing he can at face value.

    He claims that Comey was insubordinate. I think he was not. It’s just that they didn’t put things in writing, and it is was all secret.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  179. So, now that the IG report is revealed as yet another gigantic nothing-burger, what new chimera will TrumpWorld focus its limitless powers of self-delusion on?

    Isn’t being insubordinate to … Loretta Lynch … a badge of honor?

    Dave (445e97)

  180. there’s no real proof that President Trump signed the omnibus

    not really

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  181. “…..places no one had ever trespassed. Specifically, the ear canal.”

    Did you accidentally omit a letter?

    harkin (e5c973)

  182. My regular internet access is down.

    Eighty pages in, I am coming increasingly to believe that the executive summary is understated.

    Mr. Montagu, I’m not sufficiently expert on DoJ organization and practices to attempt an answer to your question with confidence, and so respectfully duck it.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  183. Dave: So, now that the IG report is revealed as yet another gigantic nothing-burger, what new chimera will TrumpWorld focus its limitless powers of self-delusion on?

    Not sure someone who thinks the collusion investigation is a Big Mac is the best judge of what is a nothingburger.

    But check out my comment @41. Not exactly a bold prediction but still spot on, I must say.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  184. They wrote the conclusions with little regard to the source material, much like the dossier.

    narciso (d1f714)

  185. 184… ConDave… ace republican.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  186. Supreme Court strikes down ban on political apparel at polling places

    this is a hopeful thing

    contrast this with the way not-yet-preggers leggy meggy’s nazi britain is trending

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  187. I agree with swc’s #169, including its last paragraph, and as I work through this I increasingly agree that there are lots of dots that are easy to connect based on this report, despite the IG’s careful refusal to connect them for us based on the limits of his job.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  188. 184 — the only folks saying it’s a “nothingburger” are the folks implicated in its findings of duplicity.

    The fact that outright criminality has not been revealed — for the most part — doesn’t mean there’s nothing there.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  189. Beldar — don’t know if you saw it above, but thanks for the story on your father and the trip to the San Diego Naval base. Brought back memories.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  190. Well the finding suggest a certain unwillingness to investigate, say communications between Clinton and lynch in the week before the tarmac meet

    narciso (d1f714)

  191. this IG is about as useless as tits on a nun

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  192. Nuggets– from Page 91:

    Given the significant roles of Mills and Abedin, and the usefulness of the material from Sullivan’s personal account, we asked why the investigators did not seek search warrants for the private accounts of Mills or Abedin.

    We learned that the SSA initially drafted a search warrant affidavit for Mills’s personal Gmail account, but it was never filed. In an email to FBI Attorney 1 and the Lead Analyst dated March 25, 2016, Strzok listed “email accounts (thinking Mills Gmail account)” as an item that the FBI unsuccessfully sought from the prosecutors. Strzok, the SSA, and Agent 3 told us that Strzok advocated in favor of applying for the search warrant, but that the prosecutors rejected the affidavit in favor of a 2703(d) order, based on insufficient probable cause and privilege concerns. The SSA stated that he disagreed with the prosecutors’ position that there was insufficient probable cause for a search warrant, because there was evidence that Mills’s Gmail account was used for official business and contained classified information.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  193. I’ve gotta read this catalog of political bias and abuse of power…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  194. Perhaps over the weekend.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  195. Supreme Court strikes down ban on political apparel at polling places

    Alito absolutely pwned them. When it’s a conservative shirt it’s bad, when liberal it’s OK.

    Wearing a shirt with a rainbow? OK

    Wearing a shirt with the 2nd amendment printed on it? BAD

    Wearing a shirt with the 1st Amendment? OK

    Wearing a ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ shirt? BAD

    Wearing a shirt saying ‘Parkland Strong? OK

    Wearing an ‘All Lives Matter’ shirt? BAD

    Wearing a Kaepernick Jersey? OK

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HashtagGriswold/status/969231416453189632/photo/1

    harkin (e5c973)

  196. Parkland lol

    those losers are actually less sympathetic than victims of aggressive vaginal yeast

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  197. same bat-time same bat-channel! Tune in to hear FBI lickspittle Chris Wray say…

    “Nothing in the report impugns the integrity of our workforce as a whole, or the FBI as an institution.”

    fbi lol

    sluts and cluts and sloshy butts

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. Both Strzok and Anderson told us that, at the outset of the investigation, former Deputy Director Giuliano generally advised the team that the purpose of the investigation was not to follow every potential lead of classified information. Strzok stated that Giuliano told the team, “[T]his is not going to become some octopus…. The focus of the investigation [is] the appearance of classified information on [Clinton’s] personal emails and that server during the time she was Secretary of State.” Strzok further stated that the FBI’s “purpose and mission” was not to pursue “spilled [classified] information to the ends of the earth” and that the task of cleaning up classified spills by State Department employees was referred back to the State Department. He told us that the FBI’s focus was whether there was a “violation of federal law.” Prosecutors 1 and 2 similarly told us that the Department was not conducting a spill investigation, and that the State Department was the better entity for that role.

    “We don’t care if we find evidence of a crime — if it’s not the crime we are looking for, then we are going to ignore it!!!!!”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  199. Re 206 —

    George Papadopolous is wondering “Why couldn’t those have been the guys who interviewed me?”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  200. Because they paid a million dollars to helper, they had to get a scalp

    narciso (d1f714)

  201. @169 SWC Thank you for your reply.

    Now, did you read Sessions’ public statement on the report? Did any part of that lead you to believe he will direct DOJ to criminally investigate HRC? What part of Rosenstein’s behavior to date, most especially including the direct threats of Congress critters and staff, lead you to believe he will insist on such an inquiry, with or without a Grand Jury? Nope. He was all about referral to the IG just last month!!!!!! The odds he and Sessions and all the Deep State will not rely on that referral as a response to this report are near infinity.

    A fair and plain meaning interpretation of the IG report demands a robust criminal response from DOJ. If DOJ refuses, a Special Counsel is required.

    To extend your metaphor – a MOAB needs a trigger mechanism and I’ll be darned if I can discern one is anywhere to be found in the Executive – White House included. What a muted response from Sanders today. Wow.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  202. “We don’t care if we find evidence of a crime — if it’s not the crime we are looking for, then we are going to ignore it!!!!!”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 6/14/2018 @ 5:27 pm

    I wonder if they’d adopt the same approach if it were Trump. Actually, we already know the answer thanks to Mueller.

    Yep, a nothingburger.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  203. McMuffin weighs in, light as a feather…

    @Evan_McMullin
    No one should be the least bit surprised that an FBI agent would want to bring to justice someone who is openly collaborating with Russian intelligence in order to capture the American presidency. There could hardly be a more important mission for the FBI.
    12:02 PM · Jun 14, 2018

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  204. Who was the nitwit commenter who actually admitted to voting for McMuffin?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. “Several witnesses told us that tracking down Clinton’s devices alone was very challenging. They stated that the investigation would have taken years if the team attempted to seek every possible device that might contain Clinton’s emails or classified material. For example, Prosecutor 2 stated: “I think the idea was that, that this investigation had to be somewhat focused, otherwise it could spin off into a million different directions. And this investigation could take different forms for years and years and years to come. So, you know, the, the focus of the investigation was, was really the private email system.”

    In other words —

    “There was an election coming up in November, and we couldn’t have her still be subject of an open FBI investigation by pursuing other evidence that might be available after June or July 2016, so we had to “call it a day” and close up shop. She was going to be President. Being a target of a criminal investigation wouldn’t have been a good look at her inauguration.”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  206. Ah snorfle, his like the acroyd character in spies like us.

    narciso (d1f714)

  207. 213 — Should amend the last sentence to read:

    “Unless your name is Donald Trump, being a target of a federal investigation wouldn’t have been a good look at his/her inauguration.”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  208. Sean Hannity versus Hannity. Dude don’t you have anything better to do? Heck, I’m a conservative and I don’t even pay attention to Hannity.

    I think you think this gotcha game of political bloggling means something. It doesn’t.

    Anonymous (d41cee)

  209. By the way, I didn’t even play the Hannity video. Too lame. Too limp.

    Anonymous (d41cee)

  210. From the document…

    Peter Strzok – “Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. I could SMELL the Trump support.”

    Another [unidentified FBI agent]… “Trump supporters are all poor to middle-class… uneducated, lazy pieces of human feces that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing. They probably didn’t watch the debates, aren’t educated on his policies and are stupidly wrapped up in his unmerited enthusiasm.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  211. Can you just imagine the ribbing that NK General will take over exchanging hand shakes and salutes with with the American Commander-in-Chief. The Koreans I know would likely hang a name on him – like maybe Douglas.

    ropelight (302b09)

  212. And Trump signy-signed-signed teh Omnibus!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  213. They seem to be doing a serious job of projection,

    narciso (d1f714)

  214. That second unidentified FBI agent sounds like he was with Cruz in Indiana.

    nk (dbc370)

  215. And Comey didn’t know Carlos Dangler was married to teh swarthy Huma Abedin…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  216. Anonymous wants to make it really really clear that he doesn’t care about the Hannity video. He also wants us to know it’s a lame video. He also wants us to know he didn’t watch it and he super duper doesn’t care about it at all!

    In other news, the video is hilarious and if it were Maddow doing this (which it easily could be, just in reverse hypocrisy) I’m sure Anonymous would be laughing. But because it’s Hannity who cares! NO ONE CARES! AAAAGHHH!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  217. 223… nah, he was in the Greek section of Chitown…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  218. Sure and wray has a bridge to sell you:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1007404688029966336?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  219. The Koreans I know would likely hang a name on him – like maybe Douglas.

    The Koreans he knows are more likely to hang a target on him and use him for mortar practice. Like Kim Jong Un did to a general who partied during the official mourning period of Kim Jong Il.

    nk (dbc370)

  220. 227… Hell, narciso, some of those fine fellows could sub for the host for a few days, wouldn’t notice much difference, other than the loss of that wonderful sense of humor.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  221. As a governmental product its above the ica that clapper cobbled together with string and plastic cups, but that’s nit saying much.

    narciso (d1f714)

  222. i don’t wanna click anymore twitter links Mr. narciso

    i wanna sail my vessel by stars what are unconjoined to the twitter sewer

    pls to respect that thank you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  223. Who was the nitwit commenter who actually admitted to voting for McMuffin?

    Mr. P voted for him for sure

    i don’t get why he didn’t just do a write-in for harvardtrash ted

    but these things surpasseth my understands

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  224. So, FBI agents gave up their rights to hold, or voice, political opinions in private conversations?

    Would that second-class citizen status also apply to prosecutors, like, say, Patrick?

    Dave (445e97)

  225. @192. Woof-woof, Mr. Feet! Can break out the dog’s ‘Impooch With Honor’ sweater again!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  226. Its like the last chapter of hunger games is now on TNT, but Jen has really dissapointed since passengers

    narciso (d1f714)

  227. Sean Hannity versus Hannity. Dude don’t you have anything better to do?

    I don’t watch Hannity either, but he’s the top-rated show on cable news, so he’s more than fair game, especially when he’s being provably hypocritical.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  228. Aw you’re so cute when you show concern, Mr. Dave, like my puppy when he piddles off the mat

    narciso (d1f714)

  229. mormonism is so sketch if you read the “book of mormon” it reads like a high school emo-boy trying to write in a bible patois

    it’s very very flowery and angsty (juvenile)

    at one point i was religiously conscientious about taking the mormon bibles out of motels and tossing them in the closest dairy queen trash cans

    the things i do for america

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  230. I voted for McMullin. He was registered with the County Clerk so my write-in vote was counted. But I heard that a whole lot of nitwits voted for some orange-skinned RINO from New York.

    nk (dbc370)

  231. The Egg McMuffin guy was a reasonable vote compared against twin sisters Hillary Clinton and Jane Fonda. Two corrupt, sleazy people who would salute our nation’s enemies and spend us into oblivion? Sure, one of them was going to win, but that doesn’t mean you have to vote for them.

    Jane Fonda lost the popular vote, and with it her mandate, because she failed to win over the support of a majority of our people. All those ‘this is how you get Jane Fonda’ arguments fail to see the other side of that. Fonda needs to try to win over the hearts and minds of conservatives, and saluting our nation’s most zealous enemies isn’t going to cut it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  232. 219.From the document… Peter Strzok – “Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. I could SMELL the Trump support.” Another [unidentified FBI agent]… “Trump supporters are all poor to middle-class… uneducated, lazy pieces of human feces that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing. They probably didn’t watch the debates, aren’t educated on his policies and are stupidly wrapped up in his unmerited enthusiasm.”

    =Haiku= Gesundheit!

    The truth stinks.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  233. 232… I seriously doubt that, Happyfeet. Given what a no-pay, F all-the-people his campaign still owes money kind of schiffbird McMuffin turned out to be, I’m certain Mr. P would’ve lit him up.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  234. Would that second-class citizen status also apply to prosecutors, like, say, Patrick?

    Dave (445e97) — 6/14/2018 @ 6:29 pm

    Yes, if he used devices issued by his employer. You mean, you’re really not aware of this Dave?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  235. Go fellate your chihuahua, ASPCA.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  236. Prediction confirmed, Mr. Feet! Saw Fire & Fury in the book bargain bin today: $1.99.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  237. You imagine how big rick Wilson’s bar tab was?

    narciso (d1f714)

  238. @244. =Haiku= Gesundheit!

    Hot dogs for chow, Colonel.

    But before you cruise Walmart, please shower first. It offends the bureaucrats if you don’t.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  239. Ain’t nobody gonna say nuffin’ ’bout how, with one word, “insubordinate”, the report puts it all on Comey thus absolving Lynch and Obama? The NYT is running with it like it was the winning touchdown at the Super Bowl, besides the column they gave Comey that harkin linked.

    nk (dbc370)

  240. Yes, if he used devices issued by his employer. You mean, you’re really not aware of this Dave?

    random viking (6a54c2) — 6/14/2018 @ 6:37 pm

    LOL. ConDave is the man who didn’t know memos penned by an employee were subject to retention and the property of the employer and not to be accessed by an employee fired for cause. They didn’t tell him that in the faculty lounge

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  241. Canadians boycott US goods, Trump over tariffs

    lol these would be the mapletards what pay $6.40 for a gallon of milk

    they can boycott my scrotum nicely

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  242. Now the Patterson tree murder, that just begs for the mst3k treatment,

    narciso (d1f714)

  243. “Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. I could SMELL the Trump support.”

    IOW “Let them eat cake”

    Kind of like the NY Dem candidate in the 19th district who just created a poster with his picture and the words:

    ‘‘Billionaires and corporations have rigged the system against us’’

    Think the poster would seem a bit more sincere if he wasn’t wearing a $9,000 watch?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/progressive-new-york-democrat-wears-9-000-rolex-in-new-ad

    harkin (e5c973)

  244. Mr Feets, please respect my customers. The Quebecois who snowbird in Florida have a high impact on my income.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  245. Ain’t nobody gonna say nuffin’ ’bout how, with one word, “insubordinate”, the report puts it all on Comey thus absolving Lynch and Obama?

    Putting it all on Comey means Trump was right to fire him — for those, like the NYTimes, who sez he needed a reason.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  246. Aw you’re so cute when you show concern, Mr. Dave, like my puppy when he piddles off the mat

    narciso (d1f714) — 6/14/2018 @ 6:32 pm

    Hahaha. That’s a brilliant visual. I will see it now whenever he posts. Well done.

    NJRob (b00189)

  247. You’re welcome, njrob, now will it take another year and a half before anything is done?

    narciso (d1f714)

  248. @250. But does it fry Tedtoo’s Canadian bacon, Mr Feet?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  249. Now we did discover there was at least another snake in the grass, that was around the time fire and flatulence was having its book tour.

    narciso (d1f714)

  250. Happyfeet has a scro-sac, but has identified numerous times here as a black woman…so in other words “it’s” a tranny!!

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  251. Pam grier is his spirit animal,

    narciso (d1f714)

  252. That’s like a2 milk which is 4.50 for a half gallon.

    narciso (d1f714)

  253. Popehat weighs in with a not at all an insanely malicious overreaction to what’s actually a very intelligent and good Sessions quote:

    https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1007367041819348992

    Sessions: “Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves and protect the weak and lawful”

    Popehat: “YOU CACKLING TOTALITARIAN GARDEN GNOME, I CITE YOU TO MY TAINT AND BID YOU TO SNORT IT!!!”

    In other words the personalities we have debating here are pretty much analagous to the personalities across Twitter, small world after all.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  254. Sessions is nothing if not consistent and always on message no matter the crowd or the critic, I save the Pito Wilson treatment for Body Positive Icon Sarah H.S..

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  255. Wasn’t it Ted Grassley who wrote to the DoJ’s Inspector General asking for copies of the series of draft reports leading to today’s report. Comparisons of course would reveal what was changed, which would naturally raise the question of who initiated the change and why.

    ropelight (302b09)

  256. It has been the law, apparently it was observed from 2009-14.

    narciso (d1f714)

  257. Sam
    Sam, You’re lying, to be blunt.
    Sessions cited a verse from Romans, and implied that it meant one of two things
    –God approves of forcibly separating young children from their family
    –God wants Christians to obey laws that are obviously contrary to Scriptural values
    And he used a verse whose last heavy usage in political contexts was defending the Fugitive Slave laws pre Civil War.

    Our immigration lawd are not rational. Enforcing them requires a police state. At least the Trump administration has no hesitation in showing what a police state is like. But expect Democrats to run ads hanging this–the forcible separation of families–around the neck of every GOP candidate come autumn.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  258. And if it want that there’s be some other garbage, like the mewling bezos gave Scott petersen this weekend.

    narciso (d1f714)

  259. Well said, Kishnevi.

    Supposing one does agree with this consequence of our immigration policy, it’s still heavy handed, still offensive, to say God tells us to do this. And it’s also obviously not so. This is not what God wants. At best this is a tragic and sad consequence, at worst we could figure out a way to kick illegal immigrants out of our country without tearing families up. Jesus wouldn’t do that.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  260. Our immigration lawd are not rational. Enforcing them requires a police state

    The inevitable question, that never gets answered: What specifically do you propose instead?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  261. The Latino press diesnt give a farthing what murderer or rapist has done, they always have a sob story handy, similar tie Al jazeera and Islamic terrorists

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5846613/Parkland-monitor-failed-stop-shooter-suspended-sexual-harassment-late-victim.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  262. Here’s the problem. In America, we do not incarcerate juveniles with adults. I’ve seen movies of Mexican prisons where men, women and children are locked up together, but we don’t do that here.

    nk (dbc370)

  263. Narciso “showing out” with best, like taco truck Marco Gutierrez and Dan Bongi…oh wait he’s eye-talian – could have fooled me.

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  264. I’ve seen movies of Mexican prisons where men, women and children are locked up together, but we don’t do that here.

    But maybe Jesus would do that.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  265. Naw the deems were fine putting an MP 5 in the face a six year old, so he could be rendered as state property, now Mrs underwood apprenticed under that vogon hack.

    narciso (d1f714)

  266. If you want true “ heavy handed” just wait, we’re importing more of it every year.

    UPI: 113 Mexican politicians killed since September

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/06/13/113-Mexican-politicians-killed-since-September/6541528942892/

    All cultures are equal, right?

    harkin (e5c973)

  267. And yet the last debate, was taken up with how they will welcome back ‘the dreamers’

    narciso (d1f714)

  268. Actually, since 2010 they are middlemen not importees. It is better to charge several people that come from further south several thousand than to pay it oneself.

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  269. Too bad the poster Dreamer is usually a beta fey male instead of the guy on the roof.

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  270. We don’t even know how many illegal immigrants are within our borders, estimates range from around 15M to 30, 35M. They’ve suppressed wages for decades now. The impact on public education is not insignificant. What isn’t sustainable won’t be… What can’t go on won’t go on… promises made that can’t be kept won’t be.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  271. The inevitable question, that never gets answered: What specifically do you propose instead

    I’ve said this this plenty of times, viking, I am surprised you never saw it

    Increase legal immigration.
    If you want actual border security you need to make it easier for people to get in. You can even do it in a way that doesn’t reward people already here, by requiring immigrants apply from their home country, and not from US domiciles.
    You don’t even need a large quota figure, just one big enough to make trying to get in legally a feasible option.
    If you don’t do that, borders will never be secure: too many people will try to get here illegally.

    It’s that or a literal police state in which ICE gets to demand everyone demonstrate they are here legally.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  272. Naw the deems were fine putting an MP 5 in the face a six year old, so he could be rendered as state property, now Mrs underwood apprenticed under that vogon hack

    You refer to Elian, I assume. The time when Republicans thought Elian’s father had no parental rights because he had the gall to be a Cuban who supported Castro.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  273. Because in Cuba you are property of the state, elians perfectly zombified ‘I love big brother’ gaze is proof of that. Greg Craig the sen manager on the Russian account greased the wheels for that parlee

    narciso (d1f714)

  274. We can increase legal immigration by limiting relative visas to the spouse and minor children of the immigrant. No parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, grandparents, in-laws, who will then sponsor their spouses and in-laws and so forth, resulting in pyramid (not chain) migration with one immigrant at the head of a hundred more. It’s unfair. The relatives eat up the quota for that country, and the ones without a relative here have no recourse except to sneak across.

    The other thing we should do is limit the anchor babies to babies born here. Not Dreamers who were smuggled in, which will be what happens if the 800,000 or so in DACA are legalized, and are then allowed to each be at the top of a pyramid of 100 relatives.

    nk (dbc370)

  275. Because in Cuba you are property of the state, elians perfectly zombified ‘I love big brother’ gaze is proof of that. Greg Craig the sen manager on the Russian account greased the wheels for that
    So Narciso you think it’s fine that Communists lose their parental rights because they’re Communists?

    Remember that the next time a SJW utilizes that principle on you.

    nk (dbc370) — 6/14/2018 @ 8:40 pm

    A totally rational approach I could certainly live with.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  276. Because there are no rights in a totalitarian regime, no matter what nick kristof believes.

    narciso (d1f714)

  277. Another One Bites the Dust Teh Donald Signed Omnibus

    Oy vey, let’s go
    ConDave walks warily down the street
    With his pants pulled way up high
    Ain’t no sound but his shufflin’ feet,
    Mouth open, catchin’ a fly

    Are you ready, hey, are you ready for this?
    He once played in an all-Gurlz band
    But teh guy was gimp and they tossed his ass
    Cuz he broke his hand

    Teh Donald signed Omnibus
    Teh Donald signed Omnibus
    And another chance gone, and another chance gone
    Teh Donald signed Omnibus
    Hey, it coulda been Ted Cruz
    Teh Donald signed Omnibus

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  278. I repeat
    So Narciso you think it’s fine that Communists lose their parental rights because they’re Communists
    Your previous answer suggests that political beliefs
    are a good excuse to terminate parental rights.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  279. The burden lies with the person making the claim.

    Patterico (0d5408) — 6/14/2018 @ 12:16 pm

    Like when claiming someone doesn’t read?

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  280. Do NOT expect consistency!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  281. LOL — Mueller getting ripped again by attorneys for Russian Troll Farm defendant.

    Earlier this week Mueller’s team filed a motion for a protective order to restrict what information the Defendant’s attorneys could share with their client, or send to Russian for purposes of examination.

    Such a motion is so antithetical to the 5th and 6th Amendment fair trial rights that I was laughing about what they were asking for.

    As I’ve said from the moment they made their appearance in this case, the two defense attorneys from Reed Smith are heavy hitters, and with the Russian gov’t likely funding the defense, they have Mueller outgunned on manpower and resources.

    Today they filed their opposition to the motion for protective order. Go find it — its a freaking riot.

    There is a link up at Law&Crime, which is associated with Mediaite.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  282. Yes the campus trAined drone will do so, with a few exceptions like kashuv.

    narciso (d1f714)

  283. Indeed dubelier in particular is a veteran of the sdny before he hung out his shingle

    narciso (d1f714)

  284. You don’t even need a large quota figure, just one big enough to make trying to get in legally a feasible option.

    Kishnevi, quite simply, there is no such quota figure, and I know this from firsthand knowledge.

    I’m married to a naturalized citizen, who did it all legally. She has wanted to bring over family members, but knows the wait time is at least 10~15 years. There are at least tens of millions of people just like my wife, which means there are many more millions waiting to come in.

    Because the wait time is so long, millions opt to come in illegally. If you reduce the wait time, coming in legally will suddenly be a viable option. Have you run the numbers? Give me your best guesstimate of how many tens of millions would take that option — I guarantee your guess would be too low.

    If you think we as a country could handle that, you’re nuts. Please volunteer your home and neighborhood to house them. I’ll bet Popehat has. Please volunteer before trying to shame others.

    I happen to believe the people entering illegally are pretty smart. They know how to game the asylum process, and they also know by now they will be separated if they cross. So, it’s a choice. To think otherwise is to believe they’re just too dumb to figure it out.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  285. I happen to believe the people entering illegally are pretty smart. They know how to game the asylum process, and they also know by now they will be separated if they cross. So, it’s a choice. To think otherwise is to believe they’re just too dumb to figure it out.

    random viking

    I agree with this. I guess I’m just unclear on why we don’t send them all back together as soon as we encounter illegal aliens. But a lot of the responsibility for this situation (the lion’s share) rests on the people breaking the law. Doesn’t mean it’s a good result, or a biblical one, to tear apart families. There has to be a better way to do this, and I think the main one is to just turn them back immediately.

    I agree with the tall walls and wide gates approach Kishnevi is talking about. Our country will benefit enormously from hard working Americans. We need a few basic requirements or immigrants need to get the boot. Not breaking the law has to be up there at the top.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  286. Not gonna happen, there is an entire media/academia/ legal culture that prevents it:

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/eric-felten/meet-the-other-amorous-fbi-staffers-who-texted-about-the-clinton-email-investigation

    narciso (d1f714)

  287. Trumptweet., “everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.”

    Jesus….everything he touches turns to gold!

    noel (b4d580)

  288. He disarmed North Korea in 45 minutes. Getting Putin to denuclearize couldn’t take more than a couple hours. World peace has finally arrived.

    noel (b4d580)

  289. Just another day in Trumpland…..

    “He’s the head of a country. And I mean, he is the strong head,” Trump said of Kim in remarks from the White House north lawn to “Fox & Friends.” “Don’t let anyone think anything different. He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same,” Trump said.

    S.N.A.F.U.

    noel (b4d580)

  290. Fair enough. Proof: You voted for him twice

    So your logic is that if someone votes for a candidate for President that means it’s fair to pick anything the candidate subsequently does as President and claim that the voter is “apparently all hunky dory” with the candidate if a) they don’t repudiate their vote (you said I voted for him “twice” as part of your evidence, so you’re counting my vote for him cast before he did anything as president as part of your evidence) and b) if they vote for him again.

    So if you do not repudiate your own vote for Trump and if you intend to vote for him again (and it’s clear you do) then I get to pick anything he has done as President or before and claim you are apparently all hunky dory with it.

    That is a super-fun Pandora’s Box you just kicked open. I don’t normally hold Trump voters responsible for all of Trump’s actions, since many voted for him reluctantly, but given your argument here it is fair to make an exception for you. So:

    random viking is apparently all hunky dory with adultery, corruption, rampant dishonesty, praise of dictators and their murders, calling women pigs and implying Ted Cruz’s wife is ugly, and even peccadillos like cheating at golf, playing tons of gold while criticizing Obama for it, and eating super burned steak.

    Man. Why you so hunky dory with such bad behavior?

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  291. Patterico, are you going to do a post in the IG report?

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  292. I wonder if random Viking speeds on the freeway. If he does, I wonder why.

    Leviticus (b66d1c)

  293. The same phony Republicans and/or Conservatives who would be doing backflips with joy if a RINO President Jeb! or Kasich were in the Oval Office and doing what Trump is doing are the cult of NeverTrump. Trump is running the table with his conservative agenda, fulfilling the political dreams of NeverTrumpers, yet they can’t stand him and wish he would go away. We’ve (Well, at least I’ve) been waiting 30 years for a guy to unapologetically cut regulations and taxes, go after the “other” cult of Glow Ball Warming, get us out of B.S “international” (read: Global) alliances and trade agreements where we are always the losers, and basically fight back against the leftist/communist juggernaut that had pushed America and the Free (Mostly Caucasian) World toward socialized one-party rule.

    The left in America has over the last 60 years installed a one party hegemony over most big and medium cities and that party is democrat, frequently with black democrats at the helm although we all know the rich white elite democrats are the ones pulling the strings. They have instituted every single democrat policy from gun bans to blanket affirmative action to no school vouchers to midnight basketball. How’s that working out in the democrat enclaves? BTW, one party leftist rule is doing well in California, Venezuela, Brazil, South Africa, Zimbabwe(the Breadbasket of Africa) and a dozen other countries facing disease, starvation, crime, drugs and poverty.

    Trumps been in office for over 18 months now so saying “Never Trump” is an exercise in self deception. He’s here so never is out of the question. Now you ladies need to decide if you’re on his side or the leftists side. Be careful, there’s no coming back once you go left. Or does the idea of a guy you hate successfully advancing the conservative cause force you to go all commie?

    BTW, Trump hasn’t kept all his campaign promises as Dave constantly reminds everybody but what president has in his first 18 months? Sure he had to compromise on a few things like the budget and funding PP and such but Rome wasn’t built in a day. He has to pick and choose the hills he want to do battle on and I’m really sorry if he hasn’t chosen the same hills you want but hopefully he’ll get to it before you and your commie/leftist allies get Elizabeth Warren elected

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  294. Patterico, are you going to do a post in the IG report?

    I did a quick take this morning but I haven’t read it and am hoping Beldar, who has, will offer some thoughts.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  295. The same phony Republicans and/or Conservatives who would be doing backflips with joy if a RINO President Jeb! or Kasich were in the Oval Office and doing what Trump is doing are the cult of NeverTrump.

    So you’re not talking about me. Good.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  296. Patterico: So if you do not repudiate your own vote for Trump and if you intend to vote for him again (and it’s clear you do) then I get to pick anything he has done as President or before and claim you are apparently all hunky dory with it.

    You do, except where I have specifically called out his behavior — which, guess what, I have. For, example, I’m on record as agreeing that he lies, and that the instance you highlight in this post is hypocrisy. So, try again.

    I did a search of your posts regarding Bush, and could not find likewise regarding Bush’s hypocrisy. I did not look through every post, which is impossible for someone who has a life. So, the “proof” you ask for is much easier for someone making the claim, as you are, that I’m off base. It sure sounds easier than composing a five paragraph response.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  297. 303 “Trump is running the table with his conservative agenda, fulfilling the political dreams of NeverTrumpers,”

    Besides at election time and when asking for money, have the NeverTrumpers done anything to push conservative agendas? Thinking back through all the Republicans I voted for I can’t think of any victories(Welfare reform under Clinton would be one). Mitigated a lot of losses but none of them have ever delivered victories like Trump has.

    This is what it feels like to be a Democrat and have your agenda advanced for 20 years. No wonder they are so pissed about losing to Trump.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  298. 300. I did NOT vote for Trump in 2016. I will NOT vote for Trump in 2020. So you can accept that I’m not “hunky-dory” with everything he’s done, right?

    Gryph (08c844)

  299. 298. I don’t know if you’re kidding or not, so I’ll just say that anyone who seriously thinks North Korea is denuclearizing or will do so does not deserve to be taken seriously in the marketplace of ideas.

    Gryph (08c844)

  300. 309 Isn’t that what they said before the Wall in Germany came down? It will never happen, until it does.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  301. You do, except where I have specifically called out his behavior — which, guess what, I have. For, example, I’m on record as agreeing that he lies, and that the instance you highlight in this post is hypocrisy. So, try again.

    I did a search of your posts regarding Bush, and could not find likewise regarding Bush’s hypocrisy. I did not look through every post, which is impossible for someone who has a life. So, the “proof” you ask for is much easier for someone making the claim, as you are, that I’m off base. It sure sounds easier than composing a five paragraph response.

    So you can’t prove your asspull but you’re not going to take it back. Why should I take you seriously?

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  302. Random Viking is hunky dory with Trump’s adultery. I did a search of his comments and did not see him criticizing it. I can’t read every comment of course, but that doesn’t prevent me from making a factual claim about his opinions that he disputes. Also he is hunky dory with Donald Trump conning people out of their money and making false claims about his charity payments. He is hunky dory with all of Trump’s immoral actions based on the same logic.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  303. Does any veteran reader here want to school this rude logic-challenged Johnny come lately on the issue of whether I ever criticized George W. Bush? Apparently his research skills aren’t quite up to the level of his ability to make false allegations.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  304. Once of the joys of this comment section is seeing some of the iron laws of trolling put into play by grand masters in the art. One of those rules is “demand copious evidence on some stupid picayune point in the distant past, or else admit you are a complete and total hypocrite or something”. The profound expertise shown in #306 at exploiting this rule shows that this is a grizzled comment section denizen, who knows just how to gaslight, keep his/her moral superiority unsullied, and get banned in blogs from coast to coast.

    Appalled (c9622b)

  305. Anyway random viking voted for Trump so by his own logic random viking is showing his support for every last immoral bullshit thing that Trump has ever done. Great logic!

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  306. The last ten years have taught you nothing appalled were talking about policy, the things you say you care about.

    narciso (d1f714)

  307. I did not look through every post, which is impossible for someone who has a life

    Well, absent that, or finding a post in which I explicitly said it didn’t matter, you had no basis to make your statement, in which case you made a claim without basis. The correct thing to do would be to apologize.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  308. Also implicit in this ridiculous assertion is the notion that, regardless of my vote, I am hunky dory with anything in the world that I don’t explicitly criticize. This imposes on me a duty to spend my entire life denouncing things I disagree with. Could there be a more absurd proposition?

    Patterico (3b6af9)


  309. 309.298. I don’t know if you’re kidding or not, so I’ll just say that anyone who seriously thinks North Korea is denuclearizing or will do so does not deserve to be taken seriously in the marketplace of ideas.
    Gryph


    Riiiight. And Trump will never win, Hillary’s a shoe-in.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  310. Datelone BS News & World Report North Korean President Kim Jong Un came under intense scrutiny this week after meeting with a barbaric nation that has killed over 60 million of its young since legalizing abortion in 1973.

    Political commentators agreed that by meeting with the nation of savages that abort hundreds of thousands of their young each and every year, Kim Jong Un appeared to be legitimizing the backwards, depraved nation of America.

    “Just picture Kim Jong Un up there shaking hands with Hitler,” one pundit said. “That’s basically what this amounts to, when you consider that he’s meeting with a country that has killed over 60 million babies since Roe v. Wade. I’m just not sure this kind of a meeting represents good optics for the North Koreans.”

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  311. Patterico: Random Viking is hunky dory with Trump’s adultery.

    If I had called out any politician’s adultery, you could indeed make that claim since I haven’t called out Trump’s. But guess what — I never did. So, try again.

    You called out Trump’s hypocrisy, and cannot provide similar calling out regarding Bush’s hypocrisy when, in the example I gave, Bush clearly was a hypocrite by your standards.

    So, try to equate my consistency with your inconsistency — quite simply, you can’t.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  312. Also implicit in this ridiculous assertion is the notion that, regardless of my vote, I am hunky dory with anything in the world that I don’t explicitly criticize. This imposes on me a duty to spend my entire life denouncing things I disagree with. Could there be a more absurd proposition?

    Patterico (3b6af9) — 6/15/2018 @ 9:03 am

    Yes, that’s absurd. I don’t agree with it.

    If you specifically call out politician A’s hypocrisy and not politician B’s, you are being inconsistent. And, it is a non-absurdity for someone to point that out.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  313. 295. Dustin (ba94b2) — 6/14/2018 @ 9:16 pm

    I guess I’m just unclear on why we don’t send them all back together as soon as we encounter illegal aliens.

    If sopmeone claims asylum they can’t. Furtehrmore, if someone is not from Mexico, they can’t allow them to go back across the border voluntarily, because Mexico doesn’t have to accept them, but they have to charter a plane to fly directly to El Salvador or Honduras or whereever and that oosts money.

    What Sessions is doing is arresting many border crossers and charging them with a crime, in order to deter them he says, and that does cause them to be separated from their children. Maybe at that point some would prefer to go back without getting prosecuted but he’s not letting them.. There has to be a better way to do this, There is no better way to do this. There is no such thing as humane enforcement of immigration laws.

    By the way, Attorney General Sessions says that people fleeing from personal death threats are entitled to asylum. Under current law, he is correct. They are not. Although the law can be and is twisted to sort of cover them in many cases. It’s like the Red Cross during World War II where there existed conventions against using poison gas on soldiers but not on civilians

    In Europe they are getting to the point of preventing people from rescuing people drowning at sea. I mean there’s an attempt to deter that. Italy refused to take a ship with 600 people, and said Malta should. Spain did in the end. In the meantime the ship was not able to be used again for awhile.

    and I think the main one is to just turn them back immediately.
    You can’t turn back anyone who makes a claim about asylum without adjudicating it first, and you can’t send anyone in any case back across the border – they have to voluntarily want to go – and even if they want to go, only Mexican citizens can legally go across the border into Mexico.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  314. There’s this effort to grade asylum cases on a curve.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  315. If you specifically call out politician A’s hypocrisy and not politician B’s, you are being inconsistent. And, it is a non-absurdity for someone to point that out.

    Oh my God. You’re actually sticking with this.

    It’s an absurdity to point it out when you have zero evidence for your claim.

    Around here, we expect people to back up their claims. When they can’t, we point it out and expect an apology. When a person continues to stick to a claim that they have admitted they have not proved and cannot prove, that person is found to be unserious and trollish.

    You made the claim and the burden is on YOU. If you can’t prove it — and you can’t — act like a man and retract it and apologize.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  316. The burden is with the person making a claim.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  317. You made the claim and the burden is on YOU. If you can’t prove it — and you can’t — act like a man and retract it and apologize.

    Patterico (3b6af9) — 6/15/2018 @ 12:33 pm

    Oh please. You’re asking that I prove a negative.

    My claim:
    “ Dubya’s criticism of nation building as a candidate and then total reversal as president was apparently all hunky dory with you.“

    “Apparently”, because you specifically called out Trump but not Dubya. Can I prove that? Yes, there is no post or comment in your archives where you call out Bush for the nation building reversal. If there is and you can point to it, I will gladly and sincerely apologize.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  318. 319. Oh I thought Trump stood a very good chance of winning in 2016. He did so without my vote. And if he wins in 2020 — which he might — he will do so without my vote.

    It is my consdiered belief that Kim is not making a single move to get rid of his nuclear weapons. I have far more evidence for that assertion than you have for the assertion that he is, Schlichterite. Time will tell which of us is right.

    Gryph (08c844)

  319. Oh please. You’re asking that I prove a negative.

    My claim:
    “ Dubya’s criticism of nation building as a candidate and then total reversal as president was apparently all hunky dory with you.“

    “Apparently”, because you specifically called out Trump but not Dubya. Can I prove that? Yes, there is no post or comment in your archives where you call out Bush for the nation building reversal. If there is and you can point to it, I will gladly and sincerely apologize.

    You asserted the negative. Therefore the burden is on you to prove it. You don’t get to whine about how hard the claim is to prove if you are the one who made it.

    You think pulling unsupported claims out of your ass is fine just because your unsupported claim would be difficult to prove? That’s not how it works, son. If you can’t prove the claim, don’t make it.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  320. Yes, there is no post or comment in your archives where you call out Bush for the nation building reversal.

    You don’t know that. Prove it.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  321. paul ryan doesn’t have the juice to be speaker no more

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  322. @ random viking: I’ve been a regular reader and commenter at this blog since 2003.

    Our host and I share a great many political views, including on subjects that I consider very important. We disagree on some issues, though, which tend to stick out in my memory because we agree on so many others. The single issue on which I have disagreed with him most frequently during that long internet acquaintance is that I am far more hawkish, in general, on matters of threatening and using military force in pursuit of American diplomatic goals. I still believe we were right to invade Iraq, for instance; our host doesn’t. We have disagreed agreeably and civilly about that and related topics, and were you worth the effort — in other words, if you had any sort of reputation for caring about the truth, such that it would be worth my while to take the time needed to go back through 15 years of blog posts and comments — I could come up with a large handful of specific examples. (Not a ton, though: because I respect our host’s opinions even when they differ from mine, I don’t pick at him or make snide passive-aggressive attacks on him or his credibility, and he treats me and my opinions with similar courtesy and respect.)

    I assure you, random viking, that your presumption that our host has failed to criticize Bush-43 for “nation-building” is utterly false. It is laughably false.

    It is, alas, unfortunately typical of your comments here, and I have no hope that you’ll apologize, nor even that you’ll stop making things up and insisting that they’re true because you say so. This is why I do not respect you or your opinions, and in that view, I am assuredly not alone.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  323. Beldar, I am very much aware of the mutual respect you and the host have. It is certainly not new to me that I am not worth that respect, which you have now courteously reinforced.

    When you can hurl infantile ad hominems at others, me included (shall I reel them off for you, since we’re all about proof?), and not earn one single rebuke from the host for it, it becomes self evident. All this, while I’m rebuked and asked to apologize for failing to prove a negative. It really is crystal clear, so no need to point it out. But, thanks anyway!

    random viking (6a54c2)

  324. The problem with Trump is, I think he doesn’t have any feelings – real feelings – as to owo thigs are,a nd he also doesn’t udnerstand.

    He thinks Kim Jong Un is like the head of the Gambino crime family, and the key thing is not to be or become a plausible target.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  325. Would a Bush apologist write this post?

    DRJ (15874d)

  326. DRJ, it won’t matter: it’s all about narrative. The Right used to not do this.

    Now it is all that matters, on both sides of the divide.

    Simon Jester (ecdcdf)

  327. Yes, Simon, and w forgets it was the narrative of chaos, remember snipers near the hospital that prevented him from going there.

    narciso (d1f714)

  328. @ random viking: Confess error and apologize. From our host in 2009:

    Yes, Obama is different from that Bad George W. Bush, who never changed his mind on anything — except for campaign finance reform, the nomination of Harriet Miers, the creation of a Department of Homeland Security, the creation of the September 11 Commission, the need for “nation building,” and probably a dozen or so other things you can think of.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  329. Current post on Trump:
    “No, it’s not news that a fool occupies the White House. But the hypocrisy is still newsworthy.”

    Post Beldar points to:
    “According to the L.A. Times, Obama’s numerous flip-flops show his flexibility and pragmatism. Had George W. Bush broken so many promises, it would have been called something else entirely.”

    The point of the current post is call out Trump’s hypocrisy. The point of the second is to call out the LATimes’ hypocrisy, not Bush’s.

    This refutes my claim, how exactly?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  330. Regardless. I will gladly apologize to the host, who I say without reservation is a stand up guy.

    Patterico, I apologize.

    As for your numerous vile personal attacks, Beldar, I expect no apology.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  331. Random viking
    (To continue this little festival of politeness)
    I didn’t see your response to my comment regarding immigration until late today, but I do appreciate your views. I disagree on at least some of it (including the difficulty of integrating immigrants into American life, which I think is much more feasible than you believe it to be), but I think I didn’t make one point in my comment which I should have: liberalized immigration is necessary to better border security. The more immigrants who opt to come here legally, the less power coyotes, gangs and smugglers have. If we don’t liberalize immigration the Wall won’t work. It will just divert the flow to other routes and help the smugglers get richer. To prioritize border security over immigration reform is putting the cart before the horse.

    kishnevi (dce4ce)

  332. http://patterico.com/2005/10/03/comments-after-a-days-perspective-im-still-pissed-off/

    Again I ask: what distinguishes this woman, other than that she is a woman and that Bush knows her (i.e. she’s a crony)? I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to this question.

    It would silly to suggest that Bush picking a crony is surprising; he’s got quite a track record of doing so. But it is highly disappointing. While Roberts was not the ideal nominee, he was pretty close, given his clear competence. From what I know, Miers doesn’t even come close.
    I’m not sure what I expected, but I had hoped for much better.

    Bottom line: there is something Tony Soprano used to say about his mom. It’s a phrase that (properly understood) means “I’ve had it with this person.” If you are a Sopranos fan, you know the line I mean. That’s how I feel about Bush now.

    http://patterico.com/2014/11/14/jonathan-grubers-central-and-well-paid-role-in-fooling-the-public-about-the-cost-of-obamacare/

    (Irwin noted that our beloved President Bush engaged in similar chicanery with that shiny new prescription drug benefit we got the last time Republicans controlled Congress and the White House.)

    http://patterico.com/2007/06/06/shocked-shocked/

    President Bush is “surprised” by conservative anger over his dismissive comments about those opposed to amnesty.

    It’s not the first time he’s been surprised by conservative anger. Harriet Miers, anyone?

    http://patterico.com/2005/10/03/more-random-miers-thoughts-and-links/

    To the “trust Bush” crowd: Bush signed an unconstitutional campaign finance reform law. Bush instructed Ted Olson to support affirmative action in an argument to the Supreme Court. Et cetera. So even if we “trust Bush,” we’re trusting him to carry out his own policy preferences, not to pick a judge who will read the Constitution as written.

    ….

    It’s “not his style” to make this decision intelligently.

    http://patterico.com/2005/10/03/what-a-disappointment-bush-chooses-miers/

    It’s looking like my days of supporting this President may be over.

    http://patterico.com/2005/11/01/a-response-to-paul-mirengoffs-latest-column/

    Bush too often sacrifices conservative principle, not for any concrete policy gain, but because he considers it good politics. When a president does this one too many times, it start to look less like pragmatism and more like political expediency. This is an all-too-common “third way” that Bush should learn to avoid.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  333. But I didn’t provide proof of criticizing the exact particular thing that random viking chose at random!!!!! Therefore I must be hunky dory with it!!!!!1!!1

    Sure, you apologized. For what? HOW were you wrong?

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  334. After defending this absurd accusation in comment after comment after comment, a simple apology with zero indication of you showing some understanding of what you did wrong doesn’t really make me feel better. I am still angry that I wasted any time on such a completely baseless bullshit claim, and you can’t even bring yourself to say why you’re apologizing. It’s just not good enough.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  335. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but I really really really dislike baseless attacks on my integrity. That’s what you’ve done here.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  336. Honestly, the way your “apology” reads, it doesn’t seem like genuine remorse, but just a ploy to make you seem like you were somehow the bigger man than Beldar. It seems completely insincere, and the thing that would give it an appearance of actual sincerity would be a detailed accounting of how you fucked up and wasted my time.

    Patterico (3b6af9)

  337. Life is too short.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  338. Teh Macalacalaca 45 must already be flowing…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  339. I’d nevah be yo proof of burden
    I’ve worked since 5
    My eyes are hurtin’

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  340. @ random viking: You made an assertion of verifiable objective fact, as support for your argument attacking our host’s alleged hypocrisy, that “there is no post or comment in your [i.e., Patterico’s] archives where you call out Bush for the nation building reversal.”

    That assertion of verifiable objective fact was false.

    I proved it false when I linked and quoted from a 2009 post in which Patterico explicitly recognized Bush’s reversal on nation building. It, in turn, links back to one of his earliest posts when he began writing this blog in 2003, in which he linked a Krugman column criticizing Bush for having an inadequate post-invasion plan, and indicated that he (Patterico) agreed with that criticism of Bush. The 2009 post I found in literally five seconds of Googling, using the search field on his sidebar on the two-word phrase “nation building.” I then spent another ten or fifteen minutes, using more refined Google searches, gathering about a half dozen examples of our host being critical of Bush’s post-war policies, but didn’t bother to link them because they didn’t use the phrase “nation-building” or refer explicitly to Bush’s pre-election position, and because including more than three links in a comment triggers a spam filter that would have put my comment into moderation until fished out by our host or a co-blogger.

    I respectfully submit, for the judgment of any reader of these comments, that you’ve engaged in a reckless falsehood while pursuing your attempted insult of our host on the basis of his alleged hypocrisy. Is that a “vile attack” by me on you, random viking? What’s vile about it?

    Beldar (fec66f)

  341. If one wants an example of a vile personal attack, one need look no farther than #348 above.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  342. Pass the popcorn, please.

    Gryph (5efbad)

  343. I feel like I owe Patterico an apology here, myself. The Schlichterites are beclowning themselves time-and-again, and I really shouldn’t find it all this funny and entertaining.

    But seriously Pat, these people’s atrocious behavior speaks for itself. Don’t lose a drop of sweat over these jokers.

    Gryph (5efbad)

  344. Teh Macalacalaca 45 must already be flowing…

    No way. Stone cold sober for Incredibles 2.

    Only had a couple shots last night anyway. Just sipping.

    Patterico (8a6cde)

  345. I’m guessing nothing short of standing fully de-robed on the fifty yard line of a packed stadium will do.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  346. Beldar, apply your rigorous search techniques to your own comments. The host gives your vile ad hominems a pass, then sniffs at an apology of mine that’s not quite groveling enough.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  347. I’m guessing nothing short of standing fully de-robed on the fifty yard line of a packed stadium will do

    A simple explanation of what you did wrong will do.

    Patterico (8a6cde)

  348. If you’re unwilling to acknowledge what you did that was wrong, you have no remorse and you’re just trying to score points.

    Patterico (8a6cde)

  349. 354… heard it’s a good movie, which these days is very hard to find.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  350. @ random viking: The reason I ask whether it’s “vile” to point out that you’ve engaged in a reckless falsehood (while pursuing an attempted insult of our host on grounds of his alleged hypocrisy) is because I think my previous comments that have been critical of you personally — and hence, I readily agree, ad hominem, and calculatedly so — have been based either on your engaging in reckless falsehoods, or attacking other commenters (including me) personally, in lieu of a responsive argument on the merits of whatever the subject of the post was. I also think you do this in the consistent service of Trump — who, perhaps not coincidentally, is prone to both reckless falsehoods and personal attacks when he lacks a substantive argument on the merits.

    Thus, I’m curious what you mean by “vile attacks”? Are all attacks vile? Have I accused you of, for instance, pimping underaged girls for Judge Roy Moore? Of being a methamphetamine addict? I don’t recall doing anything of that sort, although I certainly recall plenty of occasions on which I’ve suggested that you’re dishonest and nasty.

    And did I thereby just suggest that again? Why, yes, and that too was a calculated insult. Was it a vile one, though? How about you point me to the most vile of all my insults. Perhaps I owe you the apology.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  351. Patterico, in all honesty, the spanish inquisition is not a good look.

    And, letting obvious transgressions by others pass while harping on the finer details of a straightforward apology is a bit Comeyesque.

    I apologized. Please accept it and move on.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  352. Among my heroes is Churchill. (Have I said this here recently?) Churchill was an extraordinary advocate for his views and positions, even when he was wrong. He rarely began an ad hominem exchange, but he finished quite a few. (Yes, I think I have said this here lately.) Among my favorites was his alleged response to the society matron who told him that if she were his wife, she’d poison his tea. “And if you were my wife, madam, I would drink it,” said he.

    Would you poison my tea, random viking?

    Beldar (fec66f)

  353. Beldar, something about drowning in my own pee — in a post ostensibly about civil discourse, no less. You find it. Not really interested in your explanation, as it was fully expanded upon. And, it’s not only me that has been your target.

    It is you that engages in this behavior in lieu of a cogent argument. The tripwire is simply anytime you are challenged. I don’t expect your behavior will change, so let’s not pretend otherwise. And, the host will never call you out for it. It’s his blog — he has the right to do as he pleases.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  354. Beldar, I remember one I like better from Churchill:

    Madame: “Mr. Churchill, I believe you are drunk.”

    Churchill: “Madame, I believe you are ugly. And whereas in the morning I shall be sober, you will still be ugly.”

    No, Belder, I would not poison your tea. And, I have never once initiated an ad hominem attack, but I have responded.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  355. “228. The Koreans he knows are more likely to hang a target on him and use him for mortar practice. Like Kim Jong Un did to a general who partied during the official mourning period of Kim Jong Il.”

    Heh. Watch that video a few times and loop the few seconds before and after those salutes. Each time thru the loop, watch each person’s facial expression. Particularly Kim’s and the NK general’s. First somber, then the salutes….then smiles.

    KJU and the general both had a happy(ish) smile when the salute/handshake/salute/handshake was over. Guess that must mean that they were happy that they pulled one over on Trump, huh?

    Whether the general successfully trolled Trump or was pleased with the return of his salute, he’s not gonna get a 55mm enema.

    Commentary & explanation here (although Thomas Wictor may be just another internet idiot): https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1007517564375724032.html

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  356. random viking in #363 above:

    I have never once initiated an ad hominem attack, but I have responded.

    random viking in #18 above, after quoting the last line of our host’s original post, regarding Hannity’s hypocrisy being good for a laugh:

    Yes, there’s that hypocrisy and then there’s the hypocrisy of only calling out Trump’s hypocrisy. Dubya’s criticism of nation building as a candidate and then total reversal as president was apparently all hunky dory with you.

    I submit to you that in comment #18, you changed the subject from either Trump’s or Hannity’s alleged hypocrisy to what you alleged to be our host’s alleged hypocrisy.

    To what ad hominem directed toward you from our host were you responding to? Our host hadn’t mentioned you in his post, nor had he mentioned you in either of his prior comments (#11 & #13) before your #18.

    Unless — are you Sean Hannity, sockpuppeting as “random viking” here?!? That seems unlikely.

    Otherwise, I think you’ve just made another verifiable assertion of fact — this time, about yourself — that, again, has been disproved. No?

    Beldar (fec66f)

  357. To make sense of this sentence of mine in #366 — “To what ad hominem directed toward you from our host were you responding to?” — omit either appearance of the word “to.” So says the Department of Redundancies Department.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  358. Because I’m still laughing to myself over the possibility that you might be Sean Hannity, I am content to end this exchange between us, random viking, merely by thanking you for not wanting to poison my tea. May your tea, or whatever you choose to imbibe, if anything, be unpoisoned (at least by me) as well.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  359. Patterico, in all honesty, the spanish inquisition is not a good look.

    And, letting obvious transgressions by others pass while harping on the finer details of a straightforward apology is a bit Comeyesque.

    I apologized. Please accept it and move on.

    So you’re not actually remorseful.

    I didn’t think so, but I wanted to give you a chance.

    “Finer details” is an evasion. Show me you understand what you did wrong or it’s not a real apology.

    Patterico (8a6cde)

  360. Actually, what Churchill said was: “If you were my wife, I’d beat the sh!t out of you.” But you know, historians and biographers, they feel a need to clean this stuff up. Like General McAuliffe, he didn’t say “Nuts”; and le mot de Cambronne is not “The Guard dies and does not surrender”.

    nk (dbc370)

  361. Like General McAuliffe, he didn’t say “Nuts”

    Are you being facetious? First I’ve heard of this, and I’m a WWII history fanatic…

    Dave (445e97)

  362. And Leonidas at Thermopylae probably did say “Molon labe”, but I’d hate to tell you what he really answered when Xerxes told him the Persians’ arrows would hide the sun. It was not “Then we will fight in the shade”.

    nk (dbc370)

  363. It’s pretty much the consensus that McAuliffe said “F*** you!”

    nk (dbc370)

  364. I am joking about Churchill.

    nk (dbc370)

  365. It’s pretty much the consensus that McAuliffe said “F*** you!”

    I had seen quotes from the officer who delivered McAuliffe’s reply, saying he had to explain what “Nuts!” meant to the confused German envoy.

    And Leonidas at Thermopylae probably did say “Molon labe”, but I’d hate to tell you what he really answered when Xerxes told him the Persians’ arrows would hide the sun.

    My favorite “Laconic” response was to Philip of Macedon’s demand for surrender:

    “You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city.”

    To which the Spartans supposedly replied:

    “If.”

    Dave (445e97)

  366. Incredibles 2 was great.

    Patterico (8a6cde)

  367. we should get a dvd for the wee small immigrant children

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  368. random viking in #363 above:

    I have never once initiated an ad hominem attack, but I have responded.

    random viking in #18 above, after quoting the last line of our host’s original post, regarding Hannity’s hypocrisy being good for a laugh:

    Yes, there’s that hypocrisy and then there’s the hypocrisy of only calling out Trump’s hypocrisy. Dubya’s criticism of nation building as a candidate and then total reversal as president was apparently all hunky dory with you.

    I submit to you that in comment #18, you changed the subject from either Trump’s or Hannity’s alleged hypocrisy to what you alleged to be our host’s alleged hypocrisy.

    To what ad hominem directed toward you from our host were you responding to? Our host hadn’t mentioned you in his post, nor had he mentioned you in either of his prior comments (#11 & #13) before your #18.

    Unless — are you Sean Hannity, sockpuppeting as “random viking” here?!? That seems unlikely.

    Otherwise, I think you’ve just made another verifiable assertion of fact — this time, about yourself — that, again, has been disproved. No?

    This is totally on point. When random viking falsely claims he engaged in no ad hominem, he not only is blind to the way that he engaged in a false and unprovoked ad hominem attack on me at the beginning of the thread, he also shows that his apology was for show and that he doesn’t really believe he did anything wrong. That, plus his numerous and consistent evasions of a simple request to acknowledge what he actually did, spells a phony apology used ini an attempt to make himself look good rather than a genuine expression of remorse for wasting the host’s time.

    And now I’m supposed to tell a friend of many years to be nice to this guy who attacked me and issued an insincere apology. Um no.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  369. I thought negative comments about Trump were #FakeNews. Is it the new strategy to call them trolling? And did the instructions come from Mike Cernovich or Lucian Wintrich?

    nk (dbc370)

  370. Ya know Patterico, you can ask for and receive an apology but you can’t make somebody believe something they don’t want to believe. You went from wanting an apology for an affront to demanding a complete 100% acknowledgement and acceptance that random viking agree with you. He apologized. That should suffice.


    379.I thought negative comments about Trump were #FakeNews. Is it the new strategy to call them trolling? nk


    Since joining the neverTrumpist cult you have gone completely over to the #resistance so I don’t expect you to be able to discern between a mere negative comment and Fake News (I was not aware it had earned # status like other leftist memes) but you should still know who the trolls are or has that ability capitulated to the left too? But what do you think, nk? Is the “new” strategy to call negative comments trolling? And if it is I would imagine the left would be responsible for said designation since it is they who are doing the trolling.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  371. cowardpiggy John McCain’s tarted-up low-rent view-slumming daughter has a sad

    I am disgusted by Giuliani’s abhorrent and idiotic comments about Joe Biden. Joe Biden is one of the great political leaders of all time, one of the truly decent men left in politics – and someone my family has looked to for strength during the most difficult time in our lives.

    this stupid cow thrives on vapid twitter drama like almost nobody i can think of

    maybe cher comes close

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  372. @371. The story of the NUTS! By Kenneth J. McAuliffe

    http://www.army.mil/article/92856

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  373. “And did the instructions come from Mike Cernovich or Lucian Wintrich?”

    If I’m any indicator, I think most Trump supporters that frequent this site may have heard or read those names in passing, but know nothing about them, nor do what hey care to.

    You think you are so goddamn smart. Except you ain’t. I get you, smart guy. I know what you are. Straight as a corkscrew… like some goddamn Bolshevik picking up his orders from central casting.

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0)

  374. You think you are so goddamn smart. Except you ain’t. I get you, smart guy. I know what you are. Straight as a corkscrew… like some goddamn Bolshevik picking up his orders from central casting.

    Colonel Haiku (6d3cf0) — 6/16/2018 @ 2:09 pm

    I think you meant a duck’s dork. And you know what they say: Better to be a smart a$$ than a dumb a$$. We can’t fault mr nk for that.

    I don’t want to shamelessly rip off a guy, I think his name is Mark Darian, but he said some white people have their own version of “We Waz Kangz An Sheit.”

    Pinandpuller (faa40b)

  375. Phew, glad I didn’t miss this diaper-fire of a thread.

    Mitch (57a593)

  376. Ya know Patterico, you can ask for and receive an apology but you can’t make somebody believe something they don’t want to believe. You went from wanting an apology for an affront to demanding a complete 100% acknowledgement and acceptance that random viking agree with you. He apologized. That should suffice.

    It does not. I wanted a real apology, not a phony one. If random viking still thinks he didn’t attack me in an ad hominem way, he evidently has no idea what he did wrong. His “apology” — coming smack dab in the middle of a whine about Beldar and fiercely resisting any notion of actually acknowledging wrongdoing — seems nothing more than an attempt to puff himself up as the bigger man to contrast himself with Beldar. I find it utterly unconvincing.

    Meaning it’s not a real apology. So it doesn’t suffice and I do not accept it.

    Funny thing is, this is a very simple concept and you would have no trouble understanding it except that I am a Trump critic and random viking is not. Therefore he can be an asshole and you will support him, because decency does not matter to you, support of Donald Trump does.

    I can’t make him believe he did something wrong, of course. But if he doesn’t, neither you nor he can make me view his apology as genuine.

    I will forgive random viking his sins, as I promise to do in prayer. But I will not pretend he has given a real apology.

    Patterico (8a6cde)

  377. Sean is overly earnest,as subtle as hammer, bur he is unique among anchors who are not part of appendix g, who don’t lap up muellers leaks like fine scotch, so Sarah carter has provided an alternate motive for the Flynn snipe hunt.

    narciso (d1f714)

  378. Support for President Donald Trump is something I look for cause it’s so startling to me still when I see it.

    We really have turned the page from nasty-ass anti-semite barack obama and from the dirty bushfilth and from the clinton global criminal cartel.

    Nobody anticipated this and it really does make me a little emotional when I think about it.

    I’m just so happy.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  379. @378: This is totally on point.

    Welcome to the inverted world of anti-Trumpkin semantics, where an attack on someone’s argument is an ad hominem and warrants a sufficiently groveling apology, and actual attacks on a person are given a total pass.

    This is clear cut hypocrisy. Oops, is that another ad hominem? No, I’m attacking your argument as hypocrisy. I do not believe, and have never said, you are a hypocrite.

    Here are ad hominems, if you are taking notes:
    1. Someone is called an idiot.
    2. Someone is described as drowning in his own pee.
    3. Someone has the intelligence of a five year old.

    Attacks on a person, not the person’s argument. These are examples from your friend, one of your tribe I guess. In keeping with tribal thinking, I assume these are “totally on point” as well.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  380. Give it up, random viking. It is a personal attack, you have no remorse, and now I am going to do what I usually do when someone makes a bullshit attack on me and cannot back it up yet refuses to take it back.

    You have one more comment to explicitly retract what you said, explain briefly why it was wrong, and issue a real and genuine apology. The next comment that appears from you on this site will do that. What that means is that no further comments from you will EVER appear until I have seen that comment.

    You have wasted enough of my time. I control the horizontal and the vertical. I tried to be nice. Now I am flexing the power that I have.

    Patterico (8a6cde)

  381. I have now written no fewer than 24 (including this one) comments trying to get a simple acknowledgment that a commenter had made a baseless accusation against me. That is a huge, huge waste of my time. I am done. Either he apologizes in the fashion I demand or he is gone forever.

    Fair warning to others who level baseless attacks on the host.

    Patterico (8a6cde)

  382. Hmm…Random Viking making it to the script list? Or are we talking about an outright ban here? Either way, here’s an ode to Random Viking. See ya! 😉

    Gryph (5efbad)

  383. 389. By the by, I don’t disagree with Viking’s definition of ad hominem, or that some of them have been leveled his way. Unfortunately for him, ad hominem arguments happen far less often in discussions of Trump than his supporters would have us believe

    Gryph (5efbad)

  384. It’s not a ban when he has the keys to get out, but no, I am not talking about a script. This is a penalty for a bullshit attack on my integrity without retraction, acknowledgment of wrongdoing, and apology.

    Look how much time I wasted responding to this nonsense. I deeply resent it and I won’t allow him to get away with pretending that he apologized in a meaningful way.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  385. As for the dog trainer, well latch key Virginia heffernan, renders her view of manafort. (SHe pined for absent father figure Obama)

    narciso (d1f714)

  386. While we wait for random viking’s decision, let’s talk about how utterly wrong he is about ad hominems and his accusation to me.

    Let’s articulate some basic principles.

    First: I have no problem with people pointing out hypocrisy when they can back up their argument. I point out hypocrisy all the time, but I back it up.

    Second: an ad hominem is an attack on the person making an argument rather than on his argument. Your Oxford Dictionary defines it as follows: “(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.”

    An ad hominem is not always a fallacy. It is a fallacy when it purports to rebut an argument that stands independent of the integrity of the person making the argument. It is not a fallacy when attacking the testimony of a person making assertions whose perceived truth depend upon the integrity of the person making them.

    Responding to an assertion by person x of hypocrisy by person y, by alleging hypocrisy by person x, is an ad hominem. random viking’s comments about me in this thread were indeed an ad hominem (and a baseless one that he cannot prove).

    To the extent that the allegations made by person x depend upon the public record, as my assertions in this post did, attacking person x as a hypocrite does absolutely nothing to undermine the argument made by person x. To the extent that someone claims, in presenting an allegation that person x as a hypocrite, that: “I’m attacking your argument as hypocrisy. I do not believe, and have never said, you are a hypocrite.” they are engaged in at least two falsehoods and/or serious logical mistakes. To wit:

    a. They are stating a falsehood to the extent that they claim they are not attacking the person as a hypocrite, since the only possible relevance of person x‘s alleged hypocrisy is to demonstrate person x to be a hypocrite.

    b. They are engaged in an ad hominem fallacy, since their attack on person x does not undermine the credibility of person x‘s statement.

    Someone who says something like this is making all kinds of mistakes and asserting all kinds of untruths, thus detracting from the quality of discourse anywhere he makes such assertions. When such a person couples his ignorance, falsehoods, and logical mistakes with baseless accusations and graceless faux apologies, they show themselves to be unworthy of being allowed to contribute to a site that people use for discussion.

    I have thought for a long time that random viking detracts from discussions here, since he regularly engages in impotent “gotchas” that are based on logical fallacies or dishonest premises. Yet, I allowed him to comment — until he engaged in a completely bullshit campaign to discredit me with no basis to do so, and refused to take it back and openly admit his mistake despite two dozen comments of mine attempting to get him to do so.

    And even now, he can continue to comment, littering this site with his illogical nonsense, if he simply follows the straightforward prescription I have laid out.

    I amaze even myself with my tolerance.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  387. I bet you could support Derutti Column, mr happyfeet.

    Pinandpuller (faa40b)

  388. lovely it reminds me of the foals

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  389. Without googling, who does this sound like?

    “What Earth are voters living on? On Earth One, I could make the argument that this was a horrible week for the president. On Earth One, Manafort is in jail, the fed are closing in on Cohen, N.Y. A.G. says the Trump charity is corrupt, the I.G. report ends up being a victory lap for Clinton, the North Korea summit seems to be a sham. Economy stares down a trade war.”

    Sounds like a few people frequenting this blog who claim to have conservative values. And – to be clear- I’m not talking about the host.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  390. Well if the rule of law is no obstacle, one can proscribevwith great ease, leak confidential documents to the ores to poison the jury. Yet on the other side one must bend over backwards to give the benefit of the doubt to the comedy camarilla and who they prtectee.

    narciso (d1f714)

  391. the slicked up and slimy hot and horny men and women of the sleazy corrupt fbi were exposed this week in all their obscene incestuous glory

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  392. I think we are earth 19 though, who knew there wee another cell of resistance figures in the bureau who had remained in place till february

    narciso (d1f714)

  393. Sounds like a few people frequenting this blog who claim to have conservative values.

    Conservative values do not require denial of objective reality.

    Dave (445e97)

  394. Haiku @383. I’ve seen Miller’s Crossing, too. And I’m not surprised that you’d quote the Dane, Jon Polito’s homosexual bully-boy. Your trolling — and that’s all you’ve done here for a long time — has mostly tended to be light in the loafers and always unoriginal.

    nk (dbc370)

  395. At a diplomatic party a Lady Royal wispered to Churchill that his fly was down, Churchill assured her there was no cause for alarm, “a dead bird cannot fall from the nest.”

    ropelight (bd9b41)

  396. And you might want to stay away from bald, fat psychopaths holding fireplace shovels.

    nk (dbc370)

  397. But enough about John Brennan, who seems to have been the ringmaster of this great shindig

    narciso (96850e)

  398. John Brennan hung both the jack-off cia poofterboys and the rancid trashy men and women of the turdlick fbi out to dry

    but they were so so willing you get the feeling they wanted it all up in it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  399. Remember when he leaked the existence of the asset inside aqap, the bureau nabbed a part time contractor as the pigeon.

    narciso (96850e)

  400. Who was in no position to have access to that info, which was distributed to Townsend and clarke

    narciso (96850e)

  401. it makes you wonder what role the slicked up and slimy men and women of the corrupt and cowardly fbi had in the op that was run against Roy Moore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  402. All this time I thought Random Viking was the team name of the Icelandic World Cup Squad.
    Today they played like the descendants of berzerkers banned from the homeland

    steveg (a9dcab)

  403. I think of Terry William in the python spam sketch.

    narciso (d1f714)

  404. 405… lol… you troll daily, nk, and you have a very delicate sense of humor. Other than that, all I’ll say is I’m happily married and have been for 42 years. How is your marriage going these days?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  405. ‘nuff said.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  406. ConDave… Chuck Todd… there is no difference.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  407. How is your marriage going these days?

    You would sink that low. But since you ask, better that Trump’s.

    Other than that, all I’ll say is I’m happily married and have been for 42 years.

    Can we get some testimony from the Canadian geese about that?

    nk (dbc370)

  408. Looks like I’ve touched a nerve. Hang in there, counselor.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  409. And thank you for confirming that negative comments about Trump are now “trolling” in Trumpkinese.

    nk (dbc370)

  410. If that’s what you left it at, that would be one thing. But your misogyny and contempt for those you deem to be beneath you or those who do not agree with you say otherwise

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  411. No just comments that seem to have emerged from xamelberts green room, now you were most on record, this summit want going to happen at all, do I have that right?

    narciso (d1f714)

  412. Now I imagine pikachu is like James mcavoys character in wanted, long before freeman and Julie paid him a visit.

    narciso (d1f714)

  413. No just comments that seem to have emerged from xamelberts green room, now you were most on record, this summit want going to happen at all, do I have that right?

    No. You do not have that right. I was in full support of Trump’s letter to the other Supreme Leader cancelling the summit. That’s all.

    Then Trump went ahead and did it anyway to prove the NYT wrong. It would have been nice if he’d accomplished anything more than a propaganda coup for Kim and a few lies that only his supporters believe.

    nk (dbc370)

  414. “…the North Korea summit seems to be a sham…”

    —- Chuck Todd

    Who knew Todd was skeptical, but not cocksure…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  415. “…a propaganda coup for Kim and a few lies only his supporters believe.”

    “The document appeared to include a loose, four-point agreement between the nations:

    That the US and DPRK work for “peace and prosperity.”
    That the nations will work for a “stable peace” on the peninsula.
    To “work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.”
    That “The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains including the immediate reparations of those already identified.”

    Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo defined security guarantees for North Korea as “sufficient certainty that they can be comfortable that denuclearization isn’t something that ends badly for them.”

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/12/kim-jong-un-commits-to-complete-denuclearization-of-the-korean-peninsula-document/

    Trump is a blowhard salesman, prone to extreme exaggeration. We all know lawyers never exaggerate, so they must be deemed above reproach.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  416. No just comments that seem to have emerged from xamelberts green room, now you were most on record, this summit want going to happen at all, do I have that right?

    Who are you talking to? If me, you do not have that right? I never offered an opinion.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  417. So did the sequel live up to the original, a high order.

    narciso (d1f714)

  418. A collective consensus.

    narciso (d349a5)

  419. It would have been nice if he’d accomplished anything more than a propaganda coup for Kim and a few lies that only his supporters believe.

    Lies are all his supporters have left. Would you deny them even that, you cruel, cruel man?

    Dave (445e97)

  420. kim-jong-un-commits-to-complete-denuclearization-of-the-korean-peninsula

    Sigh. South Korea is in the Korean Peninsula. Does “complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula” mean our aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines have to stay outside the 12-mile limit or outside the 200-mile exclusive economic zone?

    nk (dbc370)

  421. Pinocchio Dave and his Romneykin followers will leed us to the promise land.

    Honest

    mg (9e54f8)

  422. Whoa good catch, nk. I still could see Trump thinking of using a future North Korea as our heavy enforcing trade reciprocity from China, Japan and South Korea.

    urbanleftbehind (3b5ee5)

  423. “Complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula” has long been the catch-phrase used by the Norks to summarize their position on nuclear disarmament, which is that they’ll consider discussing it as soon as all American forces — all of which are “nuclear-capable,” i.e., we won’t forswear tactical nukes, port visits by nuclear-powered and/or -armed vessels, landings by nuclear-armed aircraft, or any other military option to suit them — have left the Korean Peninsula.

    When asked why the joint statement used this phrasing (favored in the past by the Norks) and was silent about complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization, however, Pompeo and Trump both asserted (my paraphrase, but I can find quotes if you’d like) that North Korea understands our position that those are the requirements based on communications exchanged before the summit. From public appearances, however, those words were never uttered by our side or theirs at the summit itself.

    I am quite sure that, indeed, the Norks understand that the official American position is that there must be complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization. But I do not believe that the Norks have agreed to that. I think the suggestions that they have are a flim-flam job being run on the American public by Trump with Pompeo’s active cooperation.

    Over and over, I hear Trump supporters talking about the reduction in nuclear tensions. Well, yeah, Trump talked big for a while, and then he didn’t. The Norks, meanwhile, got their propaganda coup and gave up nothing they haven’t repeatedly promised before, after which they’ve broken those promises. Return of war remains and cooperation on POW/MIA identifications? They promised that as part of the damned armistice in 1954, and have re-promised, and broken that promise, repeatedly ever since.

    We’re being asked to pretend that Charlie Brown actually did kick the football this time. See it? Squint hard! Maybe it’s about to go over the goalpost to win the game! We’ve practically won this game, haven’t we? Yay, Trump! No one but him could have kicked the football!

    Except Lucy (Kim) is still holding the damned football.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  424. Except Lucy (Kim) is still holding the damned football.

    …and playing along as Charlie Brown proclaims himself the most fabulously brilliant kicker in history.

    “You kicked it *twice* as far as Franklin Armstrong, Charlie Brown!”

    Dave (445e97)

  425. But who is the little red haired girl? Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin?

    nk (dbc370)

  426. QUESTION: Did you — did you dictate that statement about Don Jr.? Did you dictate the statement about Donald Trump Jr.?

    TRUMP: Let’s not talk about it. You know what that is? It’s irrelevant. It’s a statement to The New York Times — the phony, failing, New York Times. Just — wait a minute, wait a minute.

    QUESTION: Just clear it up. Clear it up.

    TRUMP: That’s not a statement to a high tribunal of judges (inaudible). That’s a statement to the phony New York Times.

    (Real Clear Politics)

    noel (b4d580)

  427. Its an ambitious project, neither salt IMF start ever had such goals

    narciso (d1f714)

  428. Thank you, noel. If the phony failing New York Times tried to quiz me about my kid, I’d probably lie to them too. If for nothing else, they’d misquote me anyway no matter what I said.

    nk (9651fb)

  429. Well, I think there’s a few candidates for Peppermint Patty and Marcy, IYKWIMAITYD.

    urbanleftbehind (3b5ee5)

  430. “Of all the silky lies being told in Washington over the findings of the FBI’s inspector general on the biased culture of those investigating Hillary Clinton’s email server, one lie seems to be ignored:

    It’s the silky lie told by then-President Barack Obama.

    It may have set the tone for the smarmy intrigue detailed in the FBI inspector general’s damning 500-page report on the investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email scandal.

    And Washington is revealed once again as our modern Versailles, a place of courtiers and lickspittles who’d use the Ministry of Justice to serve their ambitions.

    Obama told his silky lie when his chosen successor was Hillary Clinton.

    Clinton had endangered top secret information by using an unsecured, home-brew email server when she was U.S. secretary of state. Any other American who dared risk top government secrets on a basement server would have faced federal prosecution and prison.

    Obama’s lie was told in 2015, when Obama was asked by CBS’ Bill Plante when he learned Mrs. Clinton had used an unsecured email server.

    “The same time everybody else learned it, through news reports,” Obama said. He was so silky that you couldn’t even hear his tongue rustling along his teeth.

    He waxed on about how his administration was all about “transparency.”

    But Obama did not learn about Clinton’s home-brew server like “everybody else.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-james-comey-report-kass-0617-story.html

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  431. Happy Father’s Day to all the fathers on here!

    A good read for all, especially those who hold such a wonderful opinion of Trump voters:

    “The best way to blow apart a stereotype is to challenge it,” Kuang, an applied math and economics major, told me.

    So, before we started traveling, we held several workshops to discuss their ideas about the “other” America.

    Nearly all of them agreed that they didn’t know what life was like outside the coastal cities and states. Only one student, Henna Hundal, 20, had grown up in a rural environment — an almond farm in Turlock, Calif., — while Kessler, a computer-science major, was the only member of the class who had ever fired a gun. The students ranged in age from 19 to 21, with an equal number of girls and boys and a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds. The majority of them hailed from cities and suburbs in blue states along the East and West coasts. One was from Wales.

    They admitted they had been fed a steady diet of stereotypes about small towns and their folk: “backwards,” “no longer useful,” “un- or under-educated,” “angry and filled with a trace of bigotry” were all phrases that came up.

    And so we embarked on our journey. For the next few weeks I would conduct three classes in rural and industrial towns in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Most of the trips were a two-to-four-night stay, getting from place to place in a van and sleeping in locally owned B&Bs.”

    Read it all, it will warm your heart: https://nypost.com/2018/06/16/these-harvard-kids-got-the-lesson-of-their-life-in-the-heartland/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  432. Happy Father’s day to all! Thanks for the link to the Chicago Tribune article.

    “you lose the ability to spark the evolution needed to bridge the country’s divide.”

    Ugh! This reminds me of a bumper sticker that says “Oh, evolve already!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  433. Thank you, noel. If the phony failing New York Times tried to quiz me about my kid, I’d probably lie to them too. If for nothing else, they’d misquote me anyway no matter what I said. nk (9651fb) — 6/17/2018 @ 6:59 am

    Then tell your kid never to believe you. You are a liar. Plain and simple.

    noel (b4d580)

  434. Oh, and Happy Father’s Day.

    noel (b4d580)

  435. 64. kishnevi (bb03e6) — 6/14/2018 @ 10:01 am

    Sammy did you mean my video?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sATicwbtyG4&feature=youtu.be

    If that doesn’t work, search YouTube for Flag Day 2018 PennLive

    No, the Daily Show video with the 2 Hannitys embeded in the post.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  436. Regarding my disagreement with the host, detailed in these comments, I make the following correction for the record:

    I was wrong to make a claim that, in order to substantiate, required me to prove a negative — which I could not. I agree that claims should be provable by those who make them, and I should only make those kind of claims. I didn’t. I take back the claim since I cannot prove it.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  437. random viking has complied with my requirement at 390:

    You have one more comment to explicitly retract what you said, explain briefly why it was wrong, and issue a real and genuine apology. The next comment that appears from you on this site will do that. What that means is that no further comments from you will EVER appear until I have seen that comment.

    With the above comment.

    He is now unmoderated again.

    Patterico (115b1f)


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