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6/13/2018

GOP Cult of Personality Ousts Another Heretic

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:59 am



The New York Times:

Republican voters lashed out against traditional party leaders Tuesday, ousting Representative Mark Sanford of South Carolina and nominating a conservative firebrand for Senate in Virginia, the latest illustration that fealty to President Trump and his hard-line politics is paramount on the right.

Mr. Sanford, a former governor once seen as a possible candidate for president, lost to Katie Arrington, a state lawmaker, in a closely contested primary, The Associated Press reported. Ms. Arrington had made the incumbent’s frequent criticism of Mr. Trump the centerpiece of her campaign. And the president endorsed her in an unexpected, and deeply personal, broadside against Mr. Sanford just three hours before the polls closed.

Sanford is a philanderer who disappeared in 2009, lied about the reasons, and joined his mistress in Argentina. All of these things would be forgiven and even defended if he ran around shouting “Make America Great Again” and otherwise kissing the ring of the manchild in the Oval Office. Instead, he chose to criticize Trump, and he got what all Trump critics get these days.

The message is, as I wrote in Quillette earlier this month, that viewpoint diversity on the issue of Donald Trump is not permitted on the right.

It might sound crazy to say that Donald Trump is beyond the reach of criticism. After all, isn’t he regularly pilloried on all the major networks, most of the cable news channels, and on the front pages of most national newspapers? Quite so: and this fact, if anything, causes his supporters to huddle closer, and reject or attack anyone who dares utter a critical word. This, in turn, creates an environment in which pundits and politicians on the Right are terrified to say what they really think.

The Republican Party is a cult of personality. Pointing that out is not popular — but then, cultists don’t like it when their cults are accurately described.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

440 Responses to “GOP Cult of Personality Ousts Another Heretic”

  1. Politicians are not your friend. It doesn’t matter which party they come from. The major political parties have degenerated into an illusory tool of the power brokers to fool the people into thinking that voting matters.

    Gryph (08c844)

  2. Still, I have to wonder about Sanford, if not for his jaunt to Argentina and his double-down lies about his mistress, would he have lost only for his Trump criticism? I honestly don’t know. It’s just a hypothetical, but the question still kind of nags at me.

    Gryph (08c844)

  3. Our country’s biggest enemy is news media such as NBC and CNN:

    Meanwhile, Russia should be allowed to rejoin the G7 after shooting down a commercial airliner.

    Nothing to see here, folks. Everything is fine and all this is normal.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  4. what’s notable is how substanceless Sanford’s criticisms of President Trump have been

    this was an own goal

    he made an ass of himself but not in the service of any policy goals

    i think he was just virtue signaling as part of a ham-fisted effort to rehabilitate himself after his repeated trysts with a third world home-wrecking prostitute

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Still, I have to wonder about Sanford, if not for his jaunt to Argentina and his double-down lies about his mistress, would he have lost only for his Trump criticism? I honestly don’t know. It’s just a hypothetical, but the question still kind of nags at me.

    He has won in the House since 2013. It took criticizing Trump to bring him down. Meanwhile, to address your question, neither Jeff Flake nor Bob Corker ran off to Argentina with a mistress and yet they didn’t want to take the chance of standing for re-election.

    Trump critics are fleeing the party in droves. I wasn’t a monster on May 3, 2016. I was just ahead of the curve.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  6. Given how the GOPe has thwarted genuine reforms, I am fine with DJT-endorsed disruptors who send GOPe types home.

    I also agree that the cult of DJT personality is a dangerous phenomenon.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  7. Bob Corker’s the corrupt guy from Tennessee what greased the skids for Obama’s nuke-the-jews Iran deal

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. How is Sanford a GOPe type? He voted against the omnibus that Trump signed because of its spending. He is immoral but he doesn’t seem like a GOPe person.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  9. was there an alternative budget that could have been passed by our possum congress, no, so the problem lies with our possum congress,

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. The Republican Party is a cult of personality. Pointing that out is not popular — but then, cultists don’t like it when their cults are accurately described.

    Yeah, it’s not like the halcyon days of Reagan and both Bushes, when candidates could run on a platform directly opposed to the party’s leader and win. BTW, which candidates were those?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  11. Now Trump says North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat. That was quick. I guess Russia isn’t a threat either, since making threats while possessing nukes isn’t a problem — as long as your leader is willing to meet with Trump and give him good press.

    DRJ (15874d)

  12. Having an Argentinian mistress didn’t 86 his political career but occasional criticisms of Trump did. It’s a new world. Going by this, Sanford supported Trump 73% of the time and was in Trump’s corner on taxes, healthcare and immigration. He mostly departed from the president on fiscal matters, where Sanford was on the fiscally conservative side of the ledger. So, for Sanford, it wasn’t about conservative issues, it was the failed loyalty test. This isn’t the Republican Party, it’s the Trump Party.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  13. Or maybe the voters of SC came to the conclusion that Sanford was an ineffectual politician whose past they were no longer willing to countenance by returning him to office for another term.

    He lucked into winning a special election after Tim Scott was appointed to fill out the term of Jim DeMint following his resignation from the Senate.

    Sanford received 37% in a 14 person GOP primary, and then easily beat the Dem candidate in a district that Romney carried over Obama with nearly 60% of the vote.

    Rather than the GOP being a “cult of personality” — was that true under Pres. Reagan? — I think its far more accurate to say that the anti-Trump holdouts are a “Cult of Personality” whose only central rallying point is disparagement of Trump on ALMOST every imaginable ground.

    Just wanted to leave enough room for you there so you don’t again come back with “I support him when I think he’s right” clown nose.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  14. I think its far more accurate to say that the anti-Trump holdouts are a “Cult of Personality”

    Except the Romney loyalists — that’s a cult of no personality.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  15. Many moderate Republicans opposed Bush in 2004, random viking. They thought he was too conservative and dangerous.

    DRJ (15874d)

  16. like the fellow in rhode island, what happened to him, oh he became a democrat,

    narciso (d1f714)

  17. Sanford has said for the past year that he knew opposing Trump would cost him. He described his political career as a Dead Man Walking.

    DRJ (15874d)

  18. 5. That’s why that hypothetical still nags at me, I guess. I’m not normally big on dealing in hypotheticals as relate to policy questions or elections, but hypotheticals come in varying degrees of reasonable/probable.

    Gryph (08c844)

  19. 8. These days, GOPe = Trump critic. But then again, I don’t have to tell you that. Do I?

    Gryph (08c844)

  20. it’s can’t help but be to the benefit of Team R this cycle to replace a sleazy hooker-lover with an attractive baggage-less female woman like Katie

    what am i missing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. 21. As opposed to the homely huckster we have in the White House?

    Gryph (08c844)

  22. Googled the election in SC and these were the first two NYTimes headlines that come up:


    “In the Age of Trump, Mark Sanford’s Political Career Fades”

    “Even a Whiff of Disloyalty to Trump Can Imperil a GOP Incumbent”

    See a pattern?

    Maybe look a bit further…..

    “Despite trying to run to Mr. Sanford’s right, Ms. Arrington told Roll Call last fall she would not want to join the hard-line conservative Freedom Caucus.

    “I’m a Republican. I think our party is so fractionalized that we need to come back together,” she said in an interview in North Charleston in October.

    Mr. Sanford has been outspoken against the president, disagreeing with the administration on tariffs and offshore drilling. He’s called out the president for his rhetoric, saying he was “partially to blame” for the kind of incivility that led to the shooting at the GOP congressional baseball team’s practice last year.

    Mr. Sanford has also split with his own party, perhaps most notably in this coastal district, on human contributions to climate change. “I believe human activity is having a measurable effect on the environment,” he wrote in a 2007 Washington Post op-ed.”

    http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-nation/2018/06/13/Katie-Arrington-beats-South-Carolina-s-Rep-Mark-Sanford-who-drew-Trump-s-ire/stories/201806130103

    harkin (9803a7)

  23. A small cult. South Carolingian GOP primary voters, a portion of. They voted for Trump and then they voted the way he told them to vote. Covfefe.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. DRJ: Many moderate Republicans opposed Bush in 2004, random viking. They thought he was too conservative and dangerous.

    DRJ, how many ran for office on that platform and won as a Republican? Tick, tock, tick, tock….

    random viking (6a54c2)

  25. 25. You know who else had extreme charisma? William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

    Gryph (08c844)

  26. When a President says that the greatest threat to his country is “the media”, it is a cause for concern. When its said by the US PRESIDENT, get me a ballot. I am voting against every Republican on it!

    noel (b4d580)

  27. Sanford is creepy and always was. I went to school with the guy. His little brother, actually. Little bro was OK, kinda quiet, but a nice kid. But then Mark would stop by class and the two would wisperwisperwisper to each other like a couple of little girls. The teachers would have to break them up and send Mark back to wherever he was supposed to be.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  28. so there are many reasons, recall south Carolina was the home of Milliken, the protectionist textile barron,

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. Sanford will become a lobbyist for South American hookers.

    mg (9e54f8)

  30. personally i love it when nevertrump representatives get their ass handed to them

    it’s a good feeling

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. Both parties are each controlled by about fifteen percent of the electorate. The most conservative and most liberal. I always used to think a third party was risky. Now, not having one seems to provide the greater risk. It’s time.

    noel (b4d580)

  32. Thank the Lord. No booshes.

    mg (9e54f8)

  33. I don’t think the GOP is a cult of personality, at least not yet, but there is certainly a large “Trump’s Way Or Bust” segment of the party at present. Large enough to get Patrick and other conservative critics dumped from anything Salem-owned — full disclosure, I’m a SALM shareholder — for apostasy.

    And it’s rather ludicrous for Trump or his aforementioned strongest supporters to criticize Sanford for having an extramarital affair. (In fairness, though, Sanford’s private sins coincided with one directly impacting his public office: he disappeared without a word, leaving gubernatorial business uncompleted. And what if there’d been a natural disaster during the disappearance?)

    Mitch (341ca0)

  34. no, they are plenty of other objections to Sanford, on policy grounds,

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. 32 — there are about a dozen “third parties”. Have at it.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  36. he means a left party like the liberal democrats in the uk

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. there are about a dozen “third parties”. Have at it.

    True, but the irony of the complaint is that effectively that IS what got Trump elected. People who would never vote GOP, some who never voted GOP their whole lives, turned out to vote for Trump. He and Bernie were the third party candidates. And both caught their respective parties with their pants down. If the Democrat party was even remotely democratic, Bernie would have done much, much better. Both are hated by the mainstream of D and R. Like the old adage, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  38. Meanwhile, Russia should be allowed to rejoin the G7 after shooting down a commercial airliner.

    Nothing to see here, folks. Everything is fine and all this is normal.
    Patterico (115b1f) — 6/13/2018 @ 8:09 am

    What would the G7 down to now? G3, G2, G1, G0? Obviously letting the US to rejoin the Gx should never be allowed.

    Iran Air Flight 655

    On 3 July 1988, Iran Air Flight 655, a scheduled civilian passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai, was shot down by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board including 66 children were killed.[1] The jet was hit while flying over Iran’s territorial waters in the Persian Gulf along the flight’s usual route. Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[2][3]

    Nothing to see here, folks. Everything is fine and all this is normal.

    BfC (5517e8)

  39. the circumstances were different then:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/13/nyt-reviewing-ali-watkins-work-doj-leak-investigation/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=atdailycaller

    the parallel is closer to kal 107 over Siberian territory,

    narciso (d1f714)

  40. as that goes, so goes the ninth circus:

    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1006705244234018818

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chaffee, and Donald Trump come to mind, random viking. What’s with the Tick Tock crap?

    DRJ (15874d)

  42. Never mind. That’s just your rude personality, isn’t it?

    DRJ (15874d)

  43. dirty nazi eurotrash like merkel and macron love it how isolated the US is from Russia

    they have significant relations with Russia but America’s hands are tied to where its relations are very constrained

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Friday that he would stand up to any attempts by U.S. President Donald Trump to block a Russian-German gas pipeline project.

    letting Russia into the G8 would only expand American influence

    this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. Voters are white hot angry at mindless Trump bashing Democrats, GOP establishment pantywaists, arrogantly corrupt Federal agencies, the pampered national propaganda networks, the do as I say, not as I do Hollywood and New York hypocrite elite, indoctrination camps, colleges, and so-called ‘universities,’ and the pernicious PC culture in all its idiotic manifestations.

    Voters are so angry, so fed up with 2 years of non-stop lunatic criticism of Trump, that criticism, any criticism of him is automatically rejected as illegitimate, and deserving of a loud and harsh rebuke. (Remember the boy who cried Wolf!)

    GOP politicians who criticise Trump will feel the full power of an angry rejection at the polls. They called the tune, now let them pay the piper.

    ropelight (0b27dc)

  45. Going tu quoque for Vladimir Putin against America because Trump gets a tingle in his leg when he sees him with his shirt off, BfC @ 40? Is there nothing you Trumpkins won’t lick off Trump’s shoes?

    nk (dbc370)

  46. the context re kal 007, was the able archer exercise, later that cycle, that could have led to misunderstandings,

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. Really NK?

    BfC (5517e8)

  48. According to Power Line (“Felled by a tweet”), despite all Sanford’s existing liabilities (including both brand exhaustion and declining figures; he got only 55% in the 2016 election) and a rather under-committed race, Arrington’s victory over him was only by a margin of 2,500 votes.

    I have to admit that sounds more like his anti-Trumpism, such as it was, was merely the straw that broke an already-dying camel’s back, rather than an unforgiveable sin that wiped out all other goods.

    Stephen J. (f77922)

  49. When a President says that the greatest threat to his country is “the media”, it is a cause for concern. When its said by the US PRESIDENT, get me a ballot. I am voting against every Republican on it!

    noel (b4d580) — 6/13/2018 @ 8:45 am

    So the same thing you do every election. At least your clown nose is off.

    NJRob (3b9e42)

  50. There was a time when Republicans and even some liberals did not like personality cults in politics. Now it’s non-partisan!

    DRJ (15874d)

  51. Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chaffee, and Donald Trump come to mind, random viking. What’s with the Tick Tock crap?

    Sorry, no. Chaffee and Trump did not win as Republicans while Bush was the party’s leader. Snowe did win in 2006. She was lukewarm to Bush, but was she hostile as Sanford was to Trump?

    If Snowe is all you have, then there is better evidence of a Dubya cult of personality than a Trump one.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  52. Only 55%? Trump should be that lucky.

    DRJ (15874d)

  53. Never mind. That’s just your rude personality, isn’t it?

    It’s not rude to imply that people are cultists, just because they disagree with you — right DRJ?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  54. Yea… Vote for a guy and he does what he said (being in Calornia, we had no say in the Republican primaries–And Hillary bought the Democratic primaries).

    And I would rather the US be out of the G7… It is too much like the wolves meeting (leaving out the sheep) and deciding what will be for lunch…

    The G7 serves as a forum for highly industrialized democracies to coordinate economic, security, and energy policy…

    BfC (5517e8)

  55. “Trump should be that lucky.”

    Well, that was in Sanford’s 2016 primary, and that’s how it was characterized in the source article. It should also be mentioned that that same source article did call President Trump “the decisive factor” in Sanford’s loss, but I think that can only be called “decisive” in the sense that it gave a final push to a teetering boulder that might well have tipped over in that direction on its own anyway.

    The art of disagreeing in public with your allies and leaders without alienating either is always a delicate one, and its failure does not necessarily prove bad will or bad faith on anyone’s part.

    Stephen J. (f77922)


  56. 34.I don’t think the GOP is a cult of personality, at least not yet, but there is certainly a large “Trump’s Way Or Bust” segment of the party at present.



    So, for Sanford, it wasn’t about conservative issues, it was the failed loyalty test. This isn’t the Republican Party, it’s the Trump Party.
    Paul Montagu


    I’m so amused at how the Republican Party is supposed to fight it’s leader but you never, ever see the democrats being opposed in any significant way to their leader. If the Republican’s support Trump they’re a “cult of personality”, a “Trump’s Way or Bust” or just plain “The Trump Party”. But if democrats with their loyal commie supporters in academia, the media and Hollywood fellate Obama on a daily basis that seems all okay.

    Trump’s got enough people after him and hating on him without you so-called conservatives or Republicans. The very, very least you can do is support your party’s leader even if you don’t like him personally or his personality. One thing the democrats are real good at is circling the wagons and protecting their own. You guys either don’t have enough brains to shut up and let the dems bury themselves or you have gone completely leftist. I figure you all have decided it’s easier to be a loyal leftist than actually fight as a conservative. That’s why this is such an interesting blog now. I’ve watched it go from conservative to NeverTrump to just plain leftist in less than two years. Fortunately you still have a few conservatives comment here so it’s mixed up a bit.

    It amuses me that some of you think and say the things you do and still consider yourself a conservative. I realize that some of you left the Republican Party (although you’ll insist the party left you) since as leftists you had less and less in common with Republicans than democrats. However, in no way can you be a conservative when you won’t support a guy who is doing conservative things. I’m still a registered Republican however I too find the party wanting. But in my case the current crop of Republicans are too liberal for my taste. We don’t need more liberals.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  57. You don’t remember any Republicans criticizing Bush? The 2004 election was a binary choice for the populist wing of the GOP.

    DRJ (15874d)

  58. If only Republicans could be more like Democrats, right Hoagie?

    DRJ (15874d)

  59. Annnd yet hes still president

    Winning

    Over and over and over. .

    EPWJ (2d3094)

  60. Thinking for ourselves is vastly overrated.

    DRJ (15874d)

  61. Rev Hoagie #58:

    So is your yardstick for conservatism support of Trump?

    Appalled (96665e)

  62. You don’t remember any Republicans criticizing Bush? The 2004 election was a binary choice for the populist wing of the GOP.

    DRJ (15874d) — 6/13/2018 @ 10:15 am

    Quit with the red herrings. There were Republicans who opposed every single Republican president. The post is about candidates running for office.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  63. There is considerable daylight between a Trump personality cult and support for Trump’s policies vs. a rejection of GOP SOP of the last 30 years. #NeverTrumpers refuse to consider this. It’s much easier to reject/dismiss a radical change of course as a cult than to do deep introspection and/or consider that what one has believed to be the proper course for the last 30-40 years was a really just a really, really bad idea.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  64. I have to laugh at good old Hoagie. Hope he supported the heck out of McCain and Romney, and excoriated people who didn’t. Oh, wait.

    Simon Jester (5d45a8)

  65. I also really appreciate people telling others that their definitions of almost everything are cosmically correct. THAT is no different from the progressives, eh?!

    Simon Jester (5d45a8)

  66. DRJ

    I agree, never trumpers cult certainly has exhibited the lack of cognitive reason

    EPWJ (2d3094)

  67. Trump’s got enough people after him and hating on him without you so-called conservatives or Republicans.

    I think you just made my argument for me, Rev, so thank you. The irony is that a couple pillars of the Republican/conservative movement used to be fiscal conservatism and general opposition to tariffs and other barriers to trade, yet now it’s “so-called conservatives” and “leftists” who hold those positions.
    Mark Sanford didn’t base his votes on whether he liked Trump “personally or his personality”; he’s been a free-market, fiscal conservative since he was elected to the House in 1994. Rather, I’d say that Trump is the one who made some personal judgments on Sanford.
    And here we have Trump, who was a Democrat for half of this century, portraying himself as a conservative and a plurality of the GOP has been lapping it up. At best, he’s the Pat Buchanan paleo variety. If Trump were an anti-Semite and Buchanan were dead, you could say that Buchanan’s ghost is inhabiting Trump’s body. Not 20 years ago, Buchanan’s positions were on the fringe, and now they’re front-and-center. For me, I’ll support Trump when his positions are supportable. Otherwise, I’m going to reject the opinions of those who delusionally believe that a person’s conservatism can be measured by how much they kiss Trump’s fat, white tookus.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  68. I have to laugh at good old Hoagie. Hope he supported the heck out of McCain and Romney, and excoriated people who didn’t. Oh, wait.

    I can’t speak for the Rev, but I would hazard to guess that the track record of Trump supporters also supporting McCain and Romney is vastly better than the opposite. Not even close. So, if it’s hypocrisy you’re calling out, look in the mirror.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  69. Just a reminder that the fascist five antifa are in court today for beating an innocent man in California.

    Supporting NIMBY anti-energy policies and global warmist luddite policies is conservative? Who knew?

    NJRob (b00189)

  70. 58… yep, with friends like these, who needs enemies, Hoagie?

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  71. And now, for major news:

    Brett Kimberlin and DNC staffer helped push russiagate to the feds.

    http://theothermccain.com/2018/06/13/report-brett-kimberlin-and-dnc-staffer-helped-push-russiagate-to-feds/

    NJRob (b00189)

  72. Sanford has said for the past year that he knew opposing Trump would cost him. He described his political career as a Dead Man Walking.

    Good call. He should make haste and hit the casino…

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  73. Paul,

    Reagan was a Democrat

    EPWJ (9eadf3)

  74. i like it when snotty nevertrump people like Mark Sanford get voted out cause it validates my believes

    that’s so fun

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. “neither Jeff Flake nor Bob Corker ran off to Argentina with a mistress and yet they didn’t want to take the chance of standing for re-election.”

    What a HUGE surprise that bland, ineffectual losers mainly beholden to monied men who encourage them to lose more efficiently and professionally on their specific pet issues while siphoning off opposition energy to ineffective ends draw electoral backlash. Unforeseeable!

    “I tried absolutely nothing to understand what my voters wanted and I’m all out of ideas, now they’re voting me out even though I worked HARD to deliver for my donors! Now there’s a populist wave that I never bothered to see coming (those voters might get me in office but they don’t pay my day-to-day salary!) that’s RUINING my retirement!”

    “Trump critics are fleeing the party in droves. I wasn’t a monster on May 3, 2016. I was just ahead of the curve.”

    Nice Joker quote. Well, neocon nostalgia was an extremely long-running joke then and is still a joke now, the Trump era is just delivering all the long, long overdue punchlines.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  76. NJRob. I have voted for Democrats about twice in my life. Never for President. But if you are comforted by thinking I’m a liberal, go ahead and run to your imaginary safe space.

    noel (5ac735)

  77. “Our country’s biggest enemy is news media such as NBC and CNN”

    This is a totally great openly mendacious misinterpretation of the completely true statement “the country’s greatest enemy is the Fake News so easily promulgated by fools”, which you would absolutely agree with in an anti-Trump context. Falling for traps this easy is kind of unlike you, maybe a little posterior-pained by recent events?

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  78. There is no “deal” with North Korea. There’s a joint statement. It has no new agreements on the part of the Norks — everything in it to which they’ve nominally committed themselves, they’re already bound to by actual “deals” from the past. Of course they’ve broken those terms, over and over and over again.

    Why call it a “deal” if it’s a one-sided give-away, as this summit was?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  79. pout pout let it all out

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. What a HUGE surprise that bland, ineffectual losers mainly beholden to monied men who encourage them to lose more efficiently and professionally on their specific pet issues while siphoning off opposition energy to ineffective ends draw electoral backlash.

    LOL. God forbid this becomes common, collective wisdom or nearly all of them will be sunk.

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  81. Beldar (and Pat) acting shocked and appalled about everyday boilerplate diplomatic doublespeak just because Trump said it is the best Beldar.

    Truly, truly, only Trump can cause these people to be born again (yesterday).

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  82. Jonah Goldberg has a sad cause the slutmerican flag touched a north korean flag

    he should check out what Mitt Romney does with little boys

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  83. In case you’re not still following the prior thread, ropelight, I left a response and follow-up question/challenge there in which I challenge you to support your assertion that Kim is “a confident leader demonstrates authority, secure in his position,” which I think is palpable horsesh!t.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  84. Meanwhile…..

    “The head of Germany’s most powerful cultural body has called for the plug to be pulled on the nation’s multitude of political talkshows for a year, arguing that their populist agenda has helped fuel the rise of the far right.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/13/populist-talkshows-fuel-rise-of-far-right-german-tv-bosses-told

    What could go wrong?

    harkin (e4ec42)

  85. Are there any hostages left in either NoKo or Iran we could trade Beldar for? He could be weaponized and bring down either regime out of sheer weariness. He’d wear them down and out and they’d lose the will to live, let alone rule despotically.

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  86. @ 8 Pat You are correct. I was wrong about Sanford’s legislative record. He is not an GOPe. He is a arrogant pol, nonetheless.

    I still stand on the principle of ousting GOPe types with liberty/conservative disruptors, DJT acolytes or not.

    Ed from SFV (2b4ea8)

  87. Just kiddin’… he’s a prince.

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  88. He is not an GOPe.

    he’s a virtue-signaling climate change hoaxer

    what he does next will tell the tale i bet

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  89. schwarzenegger’s another vapid virtue-signaller what likes to tap him some choice third world strange

    and he twisted the eff off

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  90. DRJ @ 54 —

    Here is the GOP/Dem vote share in the SC 1st over the Past 10 elections:
    2016 — 59/37 Sanford
    2014 — 93/0 Sanford
    2012 — 62/36 Scott
    2010 — 66/29 Scott
    2008 — 52/48 Brown
    2006 — 60/38 Brown
    2004 — 88/0 Brown
    2002 — 90/0 Brown
    2000 — 61/36 Brown

    Against a 1 term state legislator, Sanford was unable to get above 47%.

    That big a chunk of the SC 1st electorate didn’t turn against him because of Trump.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  91. Cult of personality? Obama has been out of office for a year and a half.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  92. “Sanford Loses, Primary Voters Devolve Into Trumpist Cult”

    Patterico, June 13, 2018
    MSNBC Morning Joe, June 13, 2018.

    “Birds of a Feather”??

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  93. What Patterico calls “cult of personality”, I call normal politics. Parties generally expect loyalty. That’s what makes them effective. It’s the same with both parties. There weren’t Democrats who attacked President Obama the way Sanford attacked Trump. Any such Democrat would not have been nominated by the Party.

    David in Cal (0d5a1d)

  94. to me cult of personality is like when you refuse to resign your office even though you’re no longer physically capable of doing the job and nobody calls your low-class coward ass on it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  95. People were sick and tired of GOP establishment types (Bush I and II, McCain, Romney, etc, etc) who refused to address the concerns of their voters.

    DN (172f46)

  96. “What Patterico calls “cult of personality”, I call normal politics. Parties generally expect loyalty. That’s what makes them effective.”

    How RUDE, David, did you not read George Washington’s FAREWELL ADDRESS in which he warned against the spirit of party (also said some things about entangling foreign alliances which we kind of skimmed over, not that important tbh, please don’t read)

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  97. Cults: http//www.ronaldreaganlegacyproject.org …

    Another cruiser in the modern conservative fleet torpedoed and sunk. Well done, Captain, sir! Strawberry parfaits in the WH mess tonight, Happy Birthday cake tomorrow!

    “How sweet it is!” Jackie Gleason

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  98. 94… if we find out Patterico plays schiffy guitar and has affected a real metrosexual, quimby hairstyle, that will seal teh deal.

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  99. Quit with the red herrings. There were Republicans who opposed every single Republican president. The post is about candidates running for office.

    random viking (6a54c2) — 6/13/2018 @ 10:23 am

    It is not a red herring to point out that Trump is not the only GOP President to face criticism from within his own party. If my link did anything, it should make you realize that Trump’s populism is more like Pat Buchanan’s politics than other Republican Presidents, so it’s not surprising that some Republicans are having problems with Trump’s substance and style.

    However, do you recall the Congressional opposition to continued funding for the Iraq War during Bush 43’s second term? Six were Republicans and only one lost his primary race in the next election. The others continued to serve for years, Two are still in office.

    DRJ (15874d)

  100. Why call it a “deal” if it’s a one-sided give-away, as this summit was?

    Because if you’re Kim of the North, it is one helluva deal.

    Merv Griffin would love this.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  101. 102 — DCSCA: quote for me the provision of the “deal” that is so stupendous for Kim.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  102. @103. All of it. Have you seen their morning papers? ‘Trump pledges to lift sanctions.’

    What a set up. Trump’s been played easier than a 1933 Philco Beehive Cathedral.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. I doubt Trump will actually lift sanctions but he certainly could have told Kim he would. Trump doesn’t prepare and goes off-script frequently. That’s how things like this happen.

    DRJ (15874d)

  104. Reagan was a Democrat

    Reagan was a conservative before he switched parties but he no longer considered himself a Democrat in 1960. He said these words in ’62: “I’m not so sure I changed as much as the parties changed.” I couldn’t agree more. In this century, the GOP morphed into the Pat Buchanan Party, anti-Semitism excepted.
    Trump switched parties every six years on average, so you can draw your own conclusions.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  105. @105. Thing is, DRJ, that’s just one of the take away interpretations NorK has played already. You gotta hand it to Kim; he played a weak hand beyond the max and leveraged it into diplomatic wins across the board. He may not have Paul Newman’s looks, but this week, he’s ‘Cool Hand Kim’ for sure.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. What did their morning papers say when Trump canceled the Summit?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  107. 85. I’d daresay that Kim, even moreso than either of his predecessors, fits all the criteria for paranoid delusion.

    Gryph (08c844)

  108. everyone’s excited about this new chapter of peace

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  109. “All of it. Have you seen their morning papers? ‘Trump pledges to lift sanctions.’”

    Trump was played so bad that people are believing the NK press.

    harkin (70fe68)

  110. found this site Mr. DCSCA and bookmarked for Christmas just in case

    i think something from there would be a lovely gift for the baby brother

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  111. Reagan was a conservative before he switched parties but he no longer considered himself a Democrat in 1960

    Stop wasting electrons. He was a self-described FDR Democrat and a union head running SAG well inton the ’50’s. Denied any Oscar nom in his Hollywood years, the career decline saw him drift into television on the rubber chicken circuit crisscrossing the country, visiting GE plants and honed a brand of flourishing corporate conservatism to keep his bread buttered. The rest is history. The moral of the story is- if you award a guy an Oscar, he’ll stay in Hollywood. If you give a special one to a gal, that may be another story- cue Oprah.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. I wonder if this really had something to do with the fact that Mark Sanford one time disappeared.

    He may not have had the normal base of support a Republican usually has, and there were some people who voted for a serious alternative candidate, who would not have so voted had the issue only been Trump.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  113. I don’t see how Trump or Kim are hurt by this. They both like the attention and can both claim they won even if nothing happens. But what is the next step? Kim needs money and Trump needs movement on the nukes. I suspect they are both already trying to leverage China to make the next move.

    DRJ (15874d)

  114. @112. How thoughtful, Mr. Feet! But screw baby brother, he’ll inherit mine. Tricky part was finding tubes and replacement speaker cloth–the speaker cones get very fragile, too. But when you wrap the wire antenna ’round a pipe, it plays like a champ; fireside chats, loud and clear.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  115. the majority of republican voters are now populists/religious right. libertarian conservatives are a minority now neo-con artists have left free trader scum follow them out. republican party is now populist party!

    sanfordbyebye (e9aa88)

  116. Just landed – a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 13, 2018

    Are there any Trump supporters here who admit to believing that “[t]here is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea”?

    Yes/no question. Trump said this as an affirmative representation of objective fact. Do you agree? Yes or no.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  117. I entirely agree with DRJ’s observation in #115:

    Kim needs money and Trump needs movement on the nukes. I suspect they are both already trying to leverage China to make the next move.

    Does anyone think the Chinese agree that “[t]here is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea”?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  118. @118. Yep. A no.

    Next time he visits France, expect a movie trailer made for Macron; lovely beaches along Normandy; shore up those dunes, clear out that cemetery and it’s primo condo real estate!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. There was a wonderful 1955 novel, followed by a pretty good 1959 film (starring Peter Sellers in three roles), called “The Mouse That Roared.” It was set in the fictional Duchy of Grand Fenwick, which, finding itself financially pressed in the modern world, decided that its shortest path to prosperity and, indeed, incredible wealth was to declare war on the United States — expecting that the U.S. would instantly defeat the Duchy’s army (armed only with ceremonial bows and arrows), whereafter the U.S. would extend the Marshall Plan to Grand Fenwick.

    The Norks have more dangerous weapons than ceremonial bows and arrows, but until this summit, except for those weapons, it was otherwise about as credible on the world stage as Grand Fenwick.

    Today, leaders worldwide are pondering how they can arrange matters so that Donald Trump can come to their countries to negotiate just as tough a deal with them as he negotiated with Kim. Trump is stupider than a Peter Sellers parody character.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  120. Are there any Trump supporters here who admit to believing that “[t]here is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea”?

    Come on, Beldar. North Korea could lob a nuke into San Francisco, and the Trump supporters would say there is no nuclear threat.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  121. @115. DRJ, that’s a fine assessment. A ‘royal wedding,’ a ‘ TeeVee summit’ and now, on to Russia and the World Cup! Have Americans not been entertained this year?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  122. @121.You’re about 3 days behind w/that one.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. Mr. Kim made a movie trailer for Mr. Trump:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYMuJDajujc

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. Lost in translation: Kim to Pompeo:

    “Do give my love to your president, will you? And Mrs. Coolidge too.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. I don’t think there is an active threat right now.
    The threatening tone is gone and I read somewhere that the norks still need to figure out how fit the warhead onto their missile

    Steveg (caf1cd)

  126. Stop wasting electrons.

    It does make me wonder how many commenters saw Reagan as president on live television when they were voting-age adults. If faltering movie careers were the causes of actors turning to conservatism, we’d see a lot more coming-to-Jesus moments than we have.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  127. @ Steveg: That’s not a yes or no. You’ve rewritten the parameters, to “active threat.”

    Is there no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea? Yes/no question.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  128. @127.I don’t think there is an active threat right now.

    They exist, they’re active and a threat. Just like ours. But then a Kim ‘Trump’ card to play is always to remind America that it is the one who has actually used nukes- and on an oriental people, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. 125. I’m looking around for the real trailer Kim made five years ago about him ordering nuclear missiles launched on Hawaii, Los Angeles D.C., Washington, D.C. and Austin, Texas (which he didn’t correctly locate on the map, twice, and may have confused with Houston.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  130. @ Paul Montagu (#128): I saw Reagan in person in 1980 during the general election campaign. I was working as a law clerk in the federal courthouse in Houston, and across Rusk Avenue was (and is) Tranquility Park, with City Hall on the next block over. Reagan held a rally in Tranquility Park. The featured guest speaker was my childhood hero Roy Rogers, accompanied by the faithful and lovely Dale Evans, and they arrived in a bigger limo than Reagan did.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  131. @128. If faltering movie careers were the causes of actors turning to conservatism..

    No, actually it was more the rubber chicken circuit visiting TeeVee sponsor GE plants that cultivated his shift. Better to blame television for everything, including the state of the world today ;-).

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  132. They have to get it here in one piece first.

    Beldar.
    I believe the threat is inactive at this time… sort of like visiting Yellowstone even though I could get swallowed up by magma.

    So I respectfully decline to answer yes or no to your question as framed.

    Steveg (caf1cd)

  133. You wonder (or I wonder) what was going on with the trailer Trump showed to Kim – and also to the press. Trump was so proud of it he wanted to make sure nobody missed it. (maybe he wanted other people to tell Kim about it, in case he didn’t understand)

    It was attributed to the National Security Council, but some say it sounds like something that could have come out of South Korea.

    It is interesting: The fate that the trailor Trump showed Kim at the summit indicated that Kim could suffer if he doesn’t do anything is said to be isolation (which he probably likes – although maybe not the consequences) but the trailer also says it is his last chance.

    It’s only a last chance if something worse than isolation could follow.

    The people who made it were probably undecided what they wanted to say and tried to work in some contradictory ideas. No threats too his military or his rule, but yet threats.

    It is said to come from Destiny Pictures. There is a real Destiny pictures but they were not consulted, and maybe they didn’t even know there was. The name was probably chosen to emphasize the idea of destiny.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  134. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.

    I think this is meant for NK’s morning papers.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  135. @137. They don’t report our Fake News. Only their Fake News.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  136. Sanford ran his race lazily. Very few staffers, no one from his previous governor winning staff, no TV ads until he realized he was about to lose and the clincher… his district had made it clear that they had elected him to represent them, not himself. They had already asked him to tone done the confrontational act.
    His “dead man walking” act started when he began his career over again. He knew he was on a short leash and said as much. His district voted overwhelmingly for Trump, so Sanford should have done the honest thing and resigned saying sorry can’t do it for you if you want Trump

    Steveg (caf1cd)

  137. Steveg,

    There are other views on the North Korean ICBMs. Some think the difficult parts have been done and all that remains are technical issues:

    After North Korea released video footage and photographs of Hwasong-15, analysts have said they appeared to show the North was indeed capable of delivering a nuclear weapon anywhere in the United States and could only be two or three tests away from being combat ready.

    South Korean President Moon Jae-in said on Thursday in a phone call with Trump that the new missile was North Korea’s most advanced so far, but it still has some technical issues to settle, like re-entry and terminal guidance system technology.

    DRJ (15874d)

  138. If North Korea even cares. Do they care exactly where it lands, or need re-entry protocols foe an EMP bomb?

    DRJ (15874d)

  139. @136. Sammy, you ever been to a sales meeting or one of those real estate seminars? Worked on some of these types of very early in my career. It’s standard pitch kit for a slick salesman trying to close a deal. Especially when you’ve already lured parties in for the presentation. It’s just Trump trying to sell a full course dinner to someone who clearly never misses a meal already.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. 141.If North Korea even cares. Do they care exactly where it lands, or need re-entry protocols foe an EMP bomb?

    Well, they do need to ‘perfect’ a reentry nose cone- but that’s more or less the end of the sentence. They’ve already worked the hard part- a long range ballistic missile that won’t routinely break up in flight. And it has gotten Kim political parody – a meeting w/POTUS and assorted world leaders. The message is clear, DRJ– if Ohio or Texas want leverage and sway w/Washington, make like Alabama– ”ya better get a bomb:’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FgMTAj4f_o

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  141. Again, the problem here is the next step if North Korea refuses to denuclearize, as will likely happen. Trump always responds the same way when he is crossed — he takes it personally. Then he gets hurt/mad and gets even.

    Trump isn’t very good at building consensus and doesn’t seem to want to, but he is very good at hurting people to get even. I don’t think Kim will care if Trump tweets he is fat and the sanctions are already high. Plus, what G6 allies will want to help Trump increase them now? All that is left is war, and Americans hate war. Avoiding war is why American Presidents don’t escalate or personalize summits like this.

    DRJ (15874d)

  142. Are there any Trump supporters here who admit to believing that “[t]here is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea”?

    Yes/no question. Trump said this as an affirmative representation of objective fact. Do you agree? Yes or no.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 6/13/2018 @ 1:27 pm

    No. It’s nonsense. Anyone that has nukes is a threat and Pussia, China, Pakistan and North Korea are major nuclear threats.

    What do I win?

    NJRob (b723d2)

  143. 144.Again, the problem here is the next step if North Korea refuses to denuclearize, as will likely happen. Trump always responds the same way when he is crossed — he takes it personally. Then he gets hurt/mad and gets even.

    They won’t. Would you if you were Kim? Stretching this out is the game– he’s only 34 and will likely still be in power when the 72 year old Trump is OOO, dead and gone. Trump’s only ‘out’ is to keep the sanctions in place and reinstate the ‘war games’– if they’re even truly off at all. The specifics and intent on that remain so muddled, our own people and allies side are confused.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  144. An honesty badge.

    DRJ (15874d)

  145. Let’s just be clear: Trump’s promise to the American people is that North Korea is not a nuclear threat anymore. If North Korea ever turns out to be a nuclear threat again, if it turns out Trump was lying, that will just be another stacked onto so many before. Sure, the same guys will make the same excuses, but Trump’s made another huge promise he has no way of keeping. He’s learned nothing from his failed two years.

    I hope DRJ is wrong, and Trump’s reaction isn’t to escalate, but that makes perfect sense. Nothing props up a dictator like a weak war effort (like Trump has been in Syria… he’s no Dubya).

    I guess the real question is: what does Russia stand to gain from the USA lying about a denuclearized North Korean dictatorship?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  146. Bob corker, who bought social worker shermans reach around, could only come up with a crazy argument.

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. You mean like the boosters out of uralmash that Obama didn’t care to call attention two, that was the most top secret info that didn’t leak.

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. I’m glad we’re safer now

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. And yet he’s still president

    Winning

    EPWJ (7e774b)

  150. Syria and Afghanistan are being run as “hunting lodges” for our specialized air and ground forces.

    Israel gets brand new F35’s and also gets to try out new jammers, and kinetic responses to Russia’s top line anti aircraft missile exports.

    Russian mercenaries have learned they can’t fight US forces without air cover and have realized just how expendable mercenary forces can be under Putin

    Iran has learned that Israel can hit their expeditionary forces at will from the air and Iran has made no move to give their forces air cover. They’ve also learned that their brand new S300 anti air system doesn’t seem to work well in Syria vs the Israeli’s.

    If Trump could get Kim to pull his techs from Iran…. that would be a feat worth praising Trump over

    steveg (a9dcab)

  151. @149. He’s a corker, all right.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  152. I’m glad we’re safer now

    happyfeet

    Exactly. All this hot air, all this nutty anger at America and her citizens from Trump’s sycophants, and for what exactly? Nothing real.

    And yet he’s still president

    Winning

    EPWJ (7e774b) — 6/13/2018 @ 3:16 pm

    Really for this kind of thing, I guess. Passive aggressive trolling. What a joyless crowd Trump’s fans are.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  153. What a joyless crowd Trump’s fans are.

    What? Haven’t you seen the ‘TeeVee Summit’ ratings?!?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  154. @ NJRob (#145): DRJ’s right (#145). Here’s a salute — I mean this in complete sincerity, and disclaim any snark or sarcasm — to accompany your honesty badge.

    Who else?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  155. I love him Mr. Dustin he’s just perfect

    I can’t wait to see what he does next!

    He should ask Mr. Pruitt to do ddt all up in the bedbugs

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  156. If Trump could get Kim to pull his techs from Iran…. that would be a feat worth praising Trump over

    steveg

    Why? If these guys go to Syria or Pakistan, why is this worth praising Trump? And why is praising Trump the goal here? I never heard this from Dubya’s fans. ‘If we can defeat terror we can finally Praise Bush 43!’ It’s pathetic to even imagine someone saying that.

    I think you guys are just happy Trump made that June 12 day after the apparent propaganda effort to feed lies that it can’t happen that day to the press. Trump is actively practicing Russian disinformation strategies because if all news is fake, he can conceal himself in a cloud of doubt. That seems to be a more pressing priority to his administration than actually achieving anything tangible with North Korea.

    The hard truth is that there is only one solution to North Korea: democracy. You gotta end the dictatorship, that entire power structure in place since the 50s, and tear down the DMZ. Maybe a deal could be made with the North Korean villians to pay them off, and maybe one can’t, but Trump’s current course of propping them up and kicking the can down the road will indeed cost the lives of many, many North Korean citizens. It’s one thing for American leaders to stay out of these matters around the world, and another to legitimize their evil leaders.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  157. President Trump’s number one job is to make the nuclears go away. Not to do democracy all up in it.

    Don’t get it twisted.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  158. @ BuDuh, who wrote (#137):

    I think this [Trump’s assurance that there is no more nuclear threat from North Korea] is meant for NK’s morning papers.

    That’s an interesting theory. Do you have any support for it? If it’s republished in North Korea’s state-controlled press organ, the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), what’s your theory as to why Kim would publish it? I don’t see it on the KCNA website (not to be confused with the spoofed but entertaining DPRK News Service), but it does report:

    Amid the great attention and excitement of mankind toward the epochal talks unprecedented in history which shocked the whole world, Kim Jong Un, the respected Supreme Leader of the party, army and state of the DPRK, left his lodging quarters on Tuesday night and set out on a return trip.

    Epochal. I’ll bet Trump came up with that himself. But, um, no mention of nuclear disarmament or abatement of all threats from North Korea’s nukes.

    We’ll check again tomorrow.

    In the meantime, you forgot to answer the yes/no question: Do you agree with Trump that “[t]here is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea”?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  159. @160. Dontcha just love his show, Mr. Feet?!?! It gets ratings that rival Roseanne numbers!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  160. Sorry, I blew the link to the spoof DPRK News. Here’s one of its tweets from just before the summit:

    President Trump prepares for historic Summit backbiting idiotic fop Trudeau from toilet.Marshall Kim Jong Un studies policy before all summits. pic.twitter.com/6SfwtcGJuq— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) June 11, 2018

    I hear that the guys who write this spoof site get much of their inspiration from hatefulfeet here.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  161. It’s actually “tomorrow morning” in North Korea now, isn’t it, BuDuh? Do you mean, like, the afternoon edition?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  162. President Trump keeps reinventing the stale processes and launching the bold new initiatives Mr. DCSCA.

    I can’t look away!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  163. I was 100% certain the NORKS would not launch a nuke during the summit, nor immediately post signing of the tally for dinner and drinks or whatever that was they signed. For a host of reasons.

    I’m 85% certain Kim will never launch a nuke at anyone, but am only 50% on whether or not kim will survive coup attempt(s) made by hardliners. The little fat kid probably got 300 cases of snickers bars and 300 of johnnie walker blue as a lovely parting gift, but lets see what type of coup he faces in the next two months, or what type of news comes out about which generals were fed to the dogs etc.

    In the meantime and until the US stations anti missile battalions in my backyard, there is no threat worth losing sleep over.

    I would like to see whoever mistreated Otto Warmbier identified and shot.

    steveg (a9dcab)

  164. That’s an interesting theory. Do you have any support for it?

    No support at all.

    It dawned on me that it is a clever parallel to the idea here that Un immediately took what he could from the summit and twisted it to falsely proclaim to his people that America is weak.

    Trump’s tweet will get through the back channels in NK and cause a starved people to question their leadership. I also assume that was the purpose of the “Future of NK” video. It too will start to get talked about by the people who want more from their country.

    But, since Trump is hysterically stupid, he probably meant the tweet about NK impotence for those of us who understand the long game and not as a reverse Tokyo Rose.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  165. And how exactly would you do it, with a million man army 40,000 mortars and a sizable cbw compliment?

    narciso (d1f714)

  166. I see what you are saying about the state controlled papers, Beldar. I agree, nobody should worry about their content. Especially their portrayal of the summit.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  167. DPRK News is pretty good, Beldar, but I’d also like to know who does this one. That’s a lot of effort to translate Trump into Gollum almost tweet-for-tweet.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  168. Dustin

    Yes I suppose the NK tech could bet moved to Syria… the Israelis would make short work of them there in my opinion, but I get your point

    The goal is not praising Trump. The goal is for the world to be safer from an NK or Iranian nuke. Everything Trump (or anyone) achieves along that line is worth an “attaboy” which is praise, small “p”.
    You seem to think I want rapt adulation for the man and I don’t. Credit due in measure though? Why not?

    steveg (a9dcab)

  169. @ steveg (#135): Thanks for stating that you “respectfully decline” to answer “[my] question as framed.” I will point out that the only framing I did was to put a question mark on the end of a sentence from Trump’s tweet, along with the prefatory phrasing to put it in question form, “Are there any Trump supporters here who admit to believing that ….”

    But you win an honorable mention, if not a metaphorical badge of honesty and a salute, for declining this opportunity to endorse this stinking turd of mistruth from the POTUS’ twitter feed. And you are probably right, for the moment, from perspectives other than South Korea, nearby American bases like those on Okinawa, Japan, and perhaps Guam. My nephew, along with his wife and young son, just moved back to Texas after finishing up a two-year Navy billet on Okinawa as an orthodontist working with jaw reconstruction surgeons. Throughout those two years, they were under active threat. From the perspectives of the Navy and Marines personnel they left behind, I do not think even your modified statement regarding active and inactive threats can be justified, unless one is willing to trust in Kim Jong-un’s bona fides.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  170. And how many casualties would you deem acceptible to bring about that goal.

    narciso (d1f714)

  171. You also wrote, steveg (#171):

    The goal is for the world to be safer from an NK or Iranian nuke. Everything Trump (or anyone) achieves along that line is worth an “attaboy” which is praise, small “p”.

    I agree with your statement of the goal. I agree that Trump would deserve an attaboy if he had achieved anything along that line.

    I emphatically disagree that he has. I believe, instead, that he has done precisely the opposite — that by giving Kim a promise of security guarantees during a one-on-one summit with the POTUS, he’s propped Kim up at home and cloaked him with international credibility that Kim will use as justifications for continuing the multi-decade charade.

    Trump gets no “attaboy” from me. From me, he gets: “Stop that, you crazy fool! How could you let yourself be so obviously, overwhelmingly suckered?”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  172. @ BuDuh: Thanks for your civil and interesting responses at #167 & #169.

    There’s still a question pending. 😀

    Beldar (fa637a)

  173. Yeah… the question…

    I do not believe that there is no longer a nuclear threat from NK.

    I also believe the tweet was to game Kim, not us.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  174. 171

    Sorry for the mistakes. I’ll clarify.

    Better if it were to have read: Yes I suppose the NK [nuclear weapon and rocket technicians] could be moved to Syria

    I didn’t address Pakistan because not sure what the NK technicians would have to offer the Pakistanis as the Pakistanis capability for miniaturization and delivery of nuclear weapons already far exceeds that of the NK. I’d be concerned if there were NK techs in Pakistan to learn.

    steveg (a9dcab)

  175. OT but unsurprising: Attorneys for Michael Cohen, Trump’s Lawyer, Are Quitting His Case: Firm expected to cease representation after review of seized documents for client-attorney privilege:

    Mr. Cohen’s attorneys are reviewing more than 3.7 million documents federal prosecutors seized in an April raid of Mr. Cohen’s home, office and hotel room to designate which communications they see as protected by attorney-client privilege, ahead of a Friday deadline set by Judge Kimba Wood of the Southern District of New York.

    Stephen Ryan, Todd Harrison and others at the firm McDermott, Will & Emery LLP, which has been representing Mr. Cohen since June 2017, will cease doing so after that review is complete, the person said.

    McDermott, Will is a Chicago-based BigLaw firm that has always seemed to me a very bad fit for a schmuck like Cohen in a number of ways. They represented a codefendant of one of my clients in an federal antitrust case among steel importers in Chicago a few years ago, and seemed quite capable. I’m less impressed with their New York office’s work for Cohen: I think they badly blundered in overselling the extent of the potential intrusion on privilege in their original court filings and statements to Judge Wood. Their subsequent filings have been competent — although most of their ammo has been expended in the direction of Avennati rather than the USAO-SDNY, at least as reflected by the public filings and reports of public hearings. I’m extremely curious whether it’s been Cohen, or someone on his behalf (with a fake orange tan), paying their invoices, which must be reasonably prodigious. How did they come to represent Cohen way back in June 2017, though?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  176. @ BuDuh (#176): Thanks for the candid answer. Badge & salute for you too.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  177. You’re right, he should have no representation like limone and greco, and the others who died in prison to cover up millers malfeasance.

    narciso (d1f714)

  178. Mr. Montagu: Thank you for that link (#170)!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  179. Beldar

    Its almost as if you think Trump is a complete fool. I’d argue that he is an incomplete fool, talks like one a lot, but acts less like one.

    This is what my world has come to. Parsing the fool level of our President in a blog.

    I need better hobbies, I know that for damn sure

    steveg (a9dcab)

  180. @ narciso (#182): Of course Cohen’s entitled to representation. If he’s indicted, he’ll have a court-appointed counsel option if he can prove indigency. Until then he’s free to hire whatever replacement counsel he chooses, provided that they’re willing to represent him on financial terms he can satisfy. And it’s very much in Trump’s interest that Cohen’s replacement counsel be willing to work closely with them; they ought to be helping steer Cohen to replacement counsel if they’re being diligent in representing their own clients’ interests, since they’re still entangled with Trump’s.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  181. Entangled because rosenstein used the bogus reading of the comey memos, to allow this fishing expedition, like sally Yates who should be disbarred and imprisoned for her malfeasanace

    narciso (d1f714)

  182. Ultimately Mueller served as qatars most significance agent of influence:

    http://tabletmag.com/scroll/264132/qatars-efforts-to-influence-american-jews-continue-to-unravel

    narciso (d1f714)

  183. Sanford had no campaign apparat for the last six months

    narciso (d1f714)

  184. Ronald Reagan- Cultist:

    “The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It’s a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.” – Ronald Reagan, source- ‘An American Life’ by Ronald Reagan w/Robert Lindsey, 1990, Simon & Schuster

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  185. @165.President Trump keeps reinventing the stale processes and launching the bold new initiatives Mr. DCSCA. I can’t look away!

    With Ivanka’s help, boxed DVD sets along with Kim’s ‘Bond Villain’ line in the stores for Christmas, Mr. Feet!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  186. This is what my world has come to. Parsing the fool level of our President in a blog.

    Try food.

    Trump and Kim ate Häagen-Dazs… ‘The Pillsbury Company bought Häagen-Dazs in 1983. In 1999, Pillsbury and Nestlé [a Swiss firm] merged their U.S. and Canadian ice cream operations into a joint venture called Ice Cream Partners. General Mills, in turn, bought Pillsbury in 2001 and succeeded to its interest in the joint venture.That same year, Nestlé exercised its contractual right to buy out General Mills’ interest in Ice Cream Partners, which included the right to a 99-year license for the Häagen-Dazs brand. Since then, pursuant to that license, the Dreyer’s subsidiary of Nestlé has produced and marketed Häagen-Dazs products in the United States and Canada.’ – source, wikicoporate

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  187. Dustin

    Guess whos still president?

    EPWJ (2d3094)

  188. No, this wee designed to get around the establishments stranglehold, like Cory Gardner cutting Stewart off at the knees

    narciso (d1f714)

  189. CNN’s Coop interviewing Sanford The Sad on why he lost. For starters, in our TeeVee age, Arrington is young and hot; Sanford is old and not.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  190. Pompeo Pious the First b-tch-slapped by free press over ‘denuclearization verification’…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSVBLHUL96k

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  191. I wasn’t a monster on May 3, 2016. I was just ahead of the curve.

    So you beat me by a month and three days. Rub it in, why dontcha?

    :)

    Dave (da11b7)

  192. For starters, in our TeeVee age, Arrington is young and hot;

    Think she reminds Trump of his daughter?

    nk (dbc370)

  193. I need better hobbies, I know that for damn sure

    steveg (a9dcab) — 6/13/2018 @ 4:28 pm

    LOL, no there’s nothing wrong with talking politics on the internet. There are a lot of hobbies that are a lot less interesting. It keeps the brain working to argue about this stuff, albeit this blog has always had a lot of trolls.

    Dustin

    Guess whos still president?

    EPWJ (2d3094) — 6/13/2018 @ 5:04 pm

    Case in point. There’s not a lot of intellectual stimulation in arguing with trolls. But there’s a lot to be said for debating what Trump is really doing.

    Maybe you’re right and he’s only acting dumb for some kind of strategic purpose. The George W Bush misunderestimate theory. I think it’s something else. I think Trump and his culture reject criticism, and are therefore weak and cannot grow stronger. Rather than have a serious discussion of the problem of dealing between two guys with so much history of breaking their deals, Trump and fans are fixated on how they technically won an election (where the voters rejected Trump by a margin of millions). OK y’all won. Now you’re accountable for those promises. One of those promises is that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat at all. That’s a promise that cannot be kept. It’s pretty hard to see how it’s ‘playing dumb’.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  194. ugh now dirty okietard James Inhofe is stabbing Pruitt in the back

    he joins slurky-ass Iowa wag-about Joni lick lick Ernst and her pathetic bread bags

    inhofe was in the army and slurky joni was in the national guard

    you just can’t trust US military people I guess

    poor character and no integrity

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. The last 25 years of nothing productive ‘re north Korea by three presidents, I mean these are the arbiters of what went on yesterday, spare me.

    narciso (2999b0)

  196. But that all came to a sudden halt in June 2009, when he professed to have found his “soul mate” and it was revealed the search for love had involved the use of taxpayer dollars for travel to Argentina.

    i’d missed that part all this time somehow

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  197. north korea isn’t a thing anymore we’re on to the IG report now Mr. narciso

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. 199.ugh now dirty okietard James Inhofe is stabbing Pruitt in the back

    Apparently so has Foxy Laura ‘wanna get luck’ Ingraham, too, Mr. Feet:

    http://www.dailycaller.com/2018/06/13/laura-ingraham-scott-pruitt-gotta-go

    Fox News host Laura Ingraham thinks Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt has “gotta go” in the wake of new reports.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  199. How we got here, the long view:

    http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-tipping-point/

    narciso (2999b0)

  200. Scott Pruitt defines Swamp.

    nk (dbc370)

  201. No he cut his leg on the barbed wire, now wasting hundred of billions on projects that have no hope of success, thats the swamp.

    narciso (2999b0)

  202. our corrupt deputy attorney general jeffy lick lick sessions is giving us a peek at how he wants to spin the IG report to sweep DOJ corruption under the rug

    “I think it will be a lengthy report and a careful report,” he told “Rising” co-host Buck Sexton. “I think it will help us better fix any problems that we have and reassure the American people that some of the concerns that have been raised are not true.”

    “If anyone else shows up in this report to have done something that requires termination we will do so,” he added.

    so corrupt p.o.s. jeffy lick lick sessions (who spent his youth steeping in the sewer of the “Army reserve” whatever the eff that is) is making sure we understand that the IG report will serve as a basis to argue that:

    1. everybody’s lying about DOJ corruption they’re really awesome everyone’s just lying

    2. should any DOJ corruption be proven, the people responsible will be fired but not prosecuted like they would do on anyone else doing the same thing

    that’s really lovely jeffy thank you for your service

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  203. I call BS.

    The GOP is NOT a “cult of personality.” That is a ridiculous generalization, akin to saying that all lawyers are dishonest just because some highly visible ones are, and the job does not reward rigorous honesty anyway.

    Many GOP members (particularly newer members) of the GOP belong to a cult of personality, sure, but it is not The Party. In some places it controls the party, in others it is just a wing. I tolerated the Religous Right and their smarmy moralizing for decades, I can handle this. Whether the Trump wing succeeds to greater control will depend on the voters who make up the GOP, and those without who decide among various party alternatives.

    People always thought that Falwell would own the Republican Party soon. Didn’t happen. This too shall pass.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  204. No, instead the left poisoned the minds of the next two generation, and some here want it to continue for yet another.

    narciso (2999b0)

  205. #208

    “This too shall pass.”

    Said the kidney stone

    steveg (a9dcab)

  206. Arrington was new generation in mindset, Sanford is indeed an old fool in that way, his extracurricular are beside the point.

    narciso (2999b0)

  207. Dustin

    Annnnd yet hes still the president

    EPWJ (2d3094)

  208. Speaker Ryan is in Rosensteins back pocket. They both need middle class justice.

    mg (9e54f8)

  209. The right men and women, are either indicted or merely bankrupted for their affrontery, some are insulated from matters.

    narciso (2999b0)

  210. In other news… Raccoon Scales Minnesota Skyscraper

    http://www.npr.org/2018/06/12/619245875

    And life imitates art:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pqU_1Ipp4

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  211. Open up the blinds
    Let some sun in

    mg (9e54f8)

  212. A whole lotta actin’ out goin’ on… have those tantrums, let it all hang out.

    You’ll feel better in teh morning, NeverTrump.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  213. 209… narciso, some are willfully aiding and abetting that because, after all, there’s no difference between these political parties.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  214. ugh now dirty okietard James Inhofe is stabbing Pruitt in the back
    he joins slurky-ass Iowa wag-about Joni lick lick Ernst and her pathetic bread bags

    Wait a minute. Inhofe has a Trump Score of 94.5, but now his status in the cult is in peril? And Joni Ernst is 91.8%. You would think they’re both tribe-worthy. Anyway, it’s hard to keep track. Isn’t it within the realm of possibility that Pruitt’s ongoing sleazebaggery is making Trump look bad?

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  215. And the evidence of what happens in the facehugger hive, doesnt phase them, once upon a time maybe 30 years ago, california was still relatively sane, then a madness set in like the t4 zombie plague.

    narciso (2999b0)

  216. Is not Pruitt, doing what one dared not wish, this is we can’t have nice things.

    narciso (2999b0)

  217. No need to console them, Haiku, they’ll immediately forget about everything they whined about by tomorrow’s news cycle, learning nothing, forgetting nothing. They have absolutely no sense that they’ve done anything wrong themselves and will never accept correction from people who embarrassed them with an electoral vctory.

    They have received their media marching orders and example in Jim Acosta, and will continue to shamelessly emulate children asking ARE WE DENUCLEARIZED YET, ARE WE DENUCLEARIZED YET??? in the most public forums and claim autistic license when people ask why they aren’t acting like grown adults or other normal U.S. citizen journalists who have the sense to remain circumspect while negotiations are ongoing in every other case.

    In other words, don’t bother with respect. Just make sure they’re wearing visible autism hats, call them the homosexual nerds, give them the obligatory wedgie and drive on.

    Tellurian (312848)

  218. i love Mr. Trump and I adore Mr. Pruitt

    it’s like chockit and peabnut bubber

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  219. Oh those Pruitts… oh, so marvie-poo!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsUDlPTW4XY

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  220. Jim Acosta, the poor man Rick Sanchez, sniffle, of course in the four years that they were building those launchers, Acosta was silent as a bansenghi.

    narciso (2999b0)

  221. Example of the cult : Tellurian
    BTW, I’m autistic. So I’ll ask politely this time: please don’t use autistic as an insult.

    kishnevi (0a3941)

  222. Trump is nominated for next year’s peace prize. Crazy right -wingers.

    felipe (023cc9)

  223. Trump is nominated for next year’s peace prize. Crazy right -wingers.

    Neon lights, Nobel Prize…

    Dave (445e97)

  224. Buduh sticks his head into Dustin’s barber shop and asks “Hey, Dustin… how long before I can get a haircut?”

    Dustin looks around the shop and says “about 2 hours,” and Buduh leaves.

    A few days later Buduh sticks his head in the door and asks…”how long before I can get a haircut?”

    Again, Dustin looks around at a shop full of customers and says “About 2 hours.” Buduh leaves again.

    A week later Buduh sticks his head in the shop and asks Dustin “how long before I can get a haircut?” Dustin looks around the shop and says “about an hour and a half”. Buduh leaves again.

    Dustin looks over at Noel in the shop and says “Hey, Noel, I’ll give you a free cut if you follow Buduh and see where he goes.”

    In a little while, Noel comes back into the shop laughing hysterically. Dustin says, “This must be good, where did he go when he left here?”

    Noel replied, “Dustin, he went to your house!”

    Dustin scratches his head and says, “well, I sure hope teh missus was home, cuz I always lock the door.”

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  225. I can ask any number of my former professors to nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize, felipe. A lot of people are qualified to submit “nominees” to the Nobel committee. The actual candidates who make the final cut and from whom the winner is chosen are kept secret for fifty years.

    nk (dbc370)

  226. Thanks, nk! It wouldn’t be the first time, though. To be clear: It will not be the first time some one said that they would lobby for me.

    felipe (023cc9)

  227. Beldar wrote, “Are there any Trump supporters here who admit to believing that “[t]here is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea”? Of course you are correct. There is still a potential nuclear threat from NK.

    However, we all know that Trump exaggerates and inflates his assertions. Translating from Trump language into English, Trump said that the nuclear threat from NK is significantly lower now, which is true.

    David in Cal (0d5a1d)

  228. Most of us know that lawyers never exaggerate.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  229. “We are not the enemy of the American people. We love the American people.”

    —- Wolf Blitzer, International Porn Star, reading his TelePrompTer

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  230. You know the medal is solid gold worth a few thousand in itself, and there’s a cash prize too up to around a million. And tax free (federal, anyway)!

    nk (dbc370)

  231. “BTW, I’m autistic. So I’ll ask politely this time: please don’t use autistic as an insult.”

    I’m not ragging on autists, I’m ragging on the cultural appropriation of autistic culture and speech forms by shills for the party going out of power. Much like the cultural appropriation of clown culture by late-night talk show hosts, it’s a terrible habit that we must call out whenever possible.

    Actual disabled people aren’t hurt when you call out the perfectly healthy people faking a disability to siphon away human auto-deference for the crippled, the senile, and the room temperature IQ.

    Dysphoria Sam (312848)

  232. Sam, no. Tellurian was using it as an insult.
    And so are you even if you claim otherwise.
    O tempora o mores
    — when an autie has to explain the niceties of social intercourse to a neurotypical.

    kishnevi (7c118c)

  233. Really for this kind of thing, I guess. Passive aggressive trolling. What a joyless crowd Trump’s fans are.

    EPWJ is being annoying and trolling on this thread.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  234. “174. From me, he gets: “Stop that, you crazy fool! How could you let yourself be so obviously, overwhelmingly suckered?”

    How many luxury high-rise apartment buildings around the world have BELDAR emblazoned on them?

    “198. Trump and fans are fixated on how they technically won an election ”
    And was “technically” sworn in as President. But I guess he is not actually, y’know, President? Does the Supreme Court know this?

    ” will continue to shamelessly emulate children asking ARE WE DENUCLEARIZED YET, ARE WE DENUCLEARIZED YET??? ”
    I just hope that Trump doesn’t threaten to turn this car around!

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  235. I’m not accepting comments on this thread about the topic where I closed comments, by the way.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  236. can we at least fap in abject appreciation of this new posting

    please say yes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  237. Another Trump tweet, another Trump fact check. No, Donald, the appointment of a Special Counsel is not unconstitutional. Far from it.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  238. sup?

    sup?

    what you do today?

    bro i fact-checked donald trump!

    you’re awesome dude!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  239. @ Dave in Cal, who answered (my paraphrase of his #232, but I think it’s fair), “No, of course” in response to my question:

    Thanks also for your civil response, and I congratulate and salute you on your honesty badge. I don’t agree with you that “the nuclear threat from NK is significantly lower now,” because I see no evidence beyond Trump’s boasts and exaggerations to suggest that that’s true. (If you see evidence that I’m missing, please fill me in.) But you perhaps trust Trump’s evaluation because you trust Trump, and perhaps you weigh things differently than I do. Regardless, thank you all again for the civil responses (including some follow-up exchanges), all of which I’m still pondering, individually and across the range of responses so far.

    I hope other Trump supporters will still answer the question I posed in #113. It really is, by design, a yes/no question — but I don’t mean to attempt to limit anyone to just “yes” or “no.” Instead, as some other Trump supporters have done in their responses, I invite you to add any commentary or explanation that you think is responsive.

    To recap, my pending question* for Trump supporters is: Do you believe that “[t]here is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea”?

    —-
    *[In my original phrasing in #113, I asked if there were Trump supporters who’d “admit” to believing. “Admit” might connote or imply some sort of concession being made by anyone who answers, and I didn’t intend that. As restated, I’ve omitted that word, because I’m trying to make the question as neutral, nonjudgmental, and close to Trump’s tweet as possible.]

    Beldar (fa637a)

  240. Pat,

    I’m not trolling

    Yet despite everything, he’s still president.

    There’s both a statement and a lesson somewhere in there

    EPWJ (a0e373)

  241. @ fred-2, who asked (#239):

    How many luxury high-rise apartment buildings around the world have BELDAR emblazoned on them?

    I’ve yet to see one. I’m not in the business of licensing my name, or my internet screenname (which probably for any commercial purpose remains the property of NBC), whether to put on hotels or golf courses or other places that part people with too much money from some of it. Nor do I build or develop those properties, although I’ve been a lawyer for several. I suppose I could get churlish in response to your question, and demand to know of you how many jury verdicts Trump’s won as an advocate. But that would be about as silly as the question you asked me, since Trump isn’t a lawyer. I therefore don’t fault him that his answer about verdicts is the same as mine when asked about hotels with my name on them.

    Here’s the thing, though, fred-2 — perfectly lovely gentleman that you obviously are:

    This isn’t some damned tradename licensing arrangement for a condo tower or a golf course — despite Trump’s idiotic babbling to Kim about how perfectly situated North Korea is for beach condos! This is a negotiation between two world “leaders” on the subject of nuclear disarmament and failing same, potentially, war.

    Have you got an actual argument to make about that, instead of about me?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  242. Thank you, happyfeet. Here’s another. Donald Trump endorsed Corey Stewart for US Senate. Either Mr. Stewart is a flaming racist or he exercised abysmally bad judgment. Either way, that should disqualify him from public office, <i>any</i> public office. And Donald Trump endorsed this piece of political smegma. Go Donald! Go Corey!

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  243. war lol

    pls to remember the slutmerican tranny-trash mattis military flunked the shipping lane challenge

    TWICE

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  244. No, you are trolling by pretending you don’t understand what trolling is, EPWJ. You’re a vast profundity — within your own mind. Leave it there. Or if you’re going to keep repeating yourself, cop to the trolling.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  245. corey stewart you so fine you so fine you blow my mind

    hey corey!

    hey hey

    hey corey!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  246. why didn’t your italickers work

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  247. Beldar,

    And yet he’s still president

    EPWJ (a0e373)

  248. And you are a troll, who has no argument, and who therefore will be known as a troll, and not as a person with opinions that are entitled to consideration.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  249. . The goal is for the world to be safer from an NK or Iranian nuke.

    SteveG, this is indeed the goal. I pray Trump is successful despite following the failed Clinton plan of coddling a dictatorship that we know is lying to us. It just seems so obvious to me that history will repeat itself, and therefore Trump has done two things: propped up a dictator’s credibility and probably resources, and drawn a red line. Sometimes red line drawing is an attempt to deescalate that actually escalates things.

    Trump is much clearer about Iran, mainly because that was Obama’s deal.

    I think the praise issue is important to consider because Trump is so fixated on TV, twitter, etc. I think that weakens his bargaining position, to put this into Trump terms. Now his legacy as a president is tied to any failures in this deal being minimized, to maximize the atta-boys you mention. Kim will absolutely try to take advantage of that. He and his are ruthless, cynical, cold killers.

    And was “technically” sworn in as President. But I guess he is not actually, y’know, President? Does the Supreme Court know this?

    This is always a point of thin-skinned sensitivity on the part of Trump and his fans, which is the only reason you guys mention Trump won the presidency. Of course he is President, only because of our laws, and not because of the actual majority of votes cast in the election, which of course rejected Trump by millions. We The People did not consent to Trump’s presidency, as legally legitimate as it remains. Hillary was simply an awful candidate, but America measured one horrible and corrupt candidate against another and picked Hillary. that is how terrible Trump is.

    Remember, I didn’t bring this up. I don’t really consider it relevant, but any time you guys brag about Trump’s great accomplishment of getting into office, to deflect from his lack of real accomplishments in office, I can point out the nature of this political miracle.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  250. Hey happy, I know just the cheerleaders who can sing and pom-pom wave “hey corey!”
    https://youtu.be/oZPBeor0oSY
    Woo hoo!

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  251. omg that’s adorable Mr. Montagu

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  252. Paul, that is seriously hilarious. And freakish. What a time to be alive.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  253. we have to stand up tall and answer freedom’s call!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  254. And the hits just keep coming. A literal pimp and outspoken Trump supporter just got nominated by the Nevada GOP for a seat in the state assembly.

    “It’s all because Donald Trump was the Christopher Columbus for me,” Hof told the Associated Press in a phone call. “He found the way and I jumped on it.”
    Hof, who wrote a book titled “The Art of the Pimp,” has dubbed himself “The Trump of Pahrump,” and held a rally with longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone. Hof was in the limelight in 2015, when former NBA player Lamar Odom was found unconscious at Hof’s Love Ranch brothel in Crystal, Nevada, after a four-day, $75,000 stay.

    Hof is definitely all about MAGA! He must have the ho demographic locked up!

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  255. through the vog
    I laugh out loud
    mathews, patterico, mika, beldar, walace
    following the dancing ball

    mg (3bf46d)

  256. Beldar,

    And yet he’s still president

    And yet you’re going into moderation for having nothing of value to say. It’s not even entertaining.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  257. i love Mr. Trump and I adore Mr. Pruitt

    Until that guy at the Ministry of Truth scrubs Pruitt out of all the pictures.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  258. if that happened i would be disappointed

    such is my love you see

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  259. they’re trying to do tommy robinson all up on him

    this is wrong

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  260. Now that we’s Nice friends with Wulff Kym we needs NEW ENEMY! Now we hateses the TROODLE yes! Yes precious, the filthy little Troodle with its shiny hairs! With its smuggy grins- so MEEKS! Cowers in corner when we comes near- but prances and sings when we shambles away! Loserses!— Gollum J. Trump (@realGollumTrump) June 13, 2018

    Last years punditses & silly babbling heads, beings that couldn’t does jobs precious, begs us for the peace- “please do riddles, don’t does a fiery tantrum.” Now that we riddles and Wulff Kym is our FRIENDS, same filthy hobbitses shouts, “don’t do the riddles! You RUINS it!”— Gollum J. Trump (@realGollumTrump) June 13, 2018

    That’s entertaining!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  261. Trump. Nobel. Does not compute.

    If Reagan could not win it for ending the Cold War, what chance does the Ugly-American-in-Chief have?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  262. nobel prizes are scratch-n-sniff stickers for loser-ass pre-transitioning third whirl trash what made good in the ghetto

    respectable awards are include genuinely large amounts money and stratospheric fame

    both of which our president, President Donald Trump, already has

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  263. Vee haf list, jawol! Klassy, with a capital K.

    A senior advisor to the State Department appointed just two months ago has been quietly vetting career diplomats and American employees of international institutions to determine whether they are loyal to President Donald Trump and his political agenda, according to nearly a dozen current and former U.S. officials. Mari Stull, a former food and beverage lobbyist-turned-wine blogger under the name “Vino Vixen,” has reviewed the social media pages of State Department staffers for signs of ideological deviation.

    Just to restate, a person with no State Department experience is vetting State Department personnel to see if they pass a Trump Loyalty Test. This is going to go really well.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  264. all i want

    all i need

    all i want

    all i need

    is one more chance

    to show trump that i love him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  265. FTR, Beldar, I always use the Gollum filter for Trump’s tweets (check out his remarks on Bornstein the White, they’re flipping hilarious). They read so much better. Just as I prefer DPRK News to communicate the words of Fearless Leader.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  266. At least this is not an eighth whine post about losing RedState site cross-posting.

    Anonymous (3bf338)

  267. Still very whiney, though.

    Anonymous (3bf338)

  268. @267.nobel prizes are scratch-n-sniff stickers for loser-ass pre-transitioning third whirl trash what made good in the ghetto. respectable awards are include genuinely large amounts money and stratospheric fameboth of which our president, President Donald Trump, already has…

    Trophy wives, eh, Mr. Feet?!?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  269. You should just moderate everyone who disagrees with you.

    It would enhance your enjoyment here.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  270. The Nobel prize means nothing after Obama received it for doing nothing.

    mg (9e54f8)

  271. If speaker ryan had his way
    He would deport the middle class

    mg (9e54f8)

  272. 274… oh, what a wonderful world.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  273. Letting the state police stand down, and creating the chaos, how does that rank Paul,

    narciso (d1f714)

  274. Should Nixon have pointed out the tens of millions, that Mao slaughtered, that makes Kim a piker.

    narciso (d1f714)

  275. Or how that deal made us responsible for the shining path, who slaughtered 1/3 of cambodia

    narciso (d1f714)

  276. Back in the Eisenhower administration, dulls had placed an exbureau official mcleod to prune the ranks there’s nothing new, except the bureau is unreliable

    narciso (d1f714)

  277. 20 years of communist and other infiltration had to be dealt with.

    narciso (d1f714)

  278. Nixon was very prosaic about the great wall,

    narciso (d1f714)


  279. 282.20 years of communist and other infiltration had to be dealt with.
    narciso


    And now 80 years of communist and other (read: moslem) infiltration needs to be dealt with.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  280. The State Department, more than any other department, is the President’s alter ego. In foreign relations, America has to speak with one voice, the President’s. I would also guess that the lady was part of Tillerson’s campaign to drain that part of the Swamp and clear out the drones and deadwood.

    nk (dbc370)

  281. and teh creepy Ol’ Joe, got nuttin’ to do, but fondle little girls all da day…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=193&v=xYqOqu3oioI

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  282. Yes, mcleod, was not kind to those ‘light in the loafers’ so that is great crimethink now’

    narciso (d1f714)

  283. 274, better yet, turn off comments — as he did on the next post. Good decision.

    DRJ (15874d)


  284. Just to restate, a person with no State Department experience is vetting State Department personnel to see if they pass a Trump Loyalty Test. This is going to go really well.
    Paul Montagu


    You do realize that vetting a prospect for loyalty has nothing to do with vetting a prospect for experience or competency, don’t you? Unfortunately we’ve gotten to the point with the radical left that loyalty has become a prerequisite. Now if Trump were a half breed moslem commie he wouldn’t need to vet for loyalty it would be a given just like a Peace Prize for winning an election.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  285. In the public schools in the last war they had school children sing to Obama, in the campaign there was a pledge by the same actors and actresses involved innthe two minute hate nowm

    narciso (d1f714)

  286. Trump’s mother was a foreign-born. We don’t know if he is even a half-breed, since it’s “mama’s baby, daddy’s maybe”.

    nk (dbc370)

  287. The colonels only eight years, not nearly enough to straighten things out, note the subsequent papandreou administration

    narciso (d1f714)

  288. They called it Trump World until it blew up in their hands and faces…

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  289. Irs ridiculous, and those who live in mad king Jerry’s state, should specially know better.

    narciso (d1f714)

  290. I will admit, the invasion of Cyprus want too swift a move.

    narciso (d1f714)

  291. You should just moderate everyone who disagrees with you.

    It would enhance your enjoyment here.

    Are you suggesting that the reason I moderated EPWJ is because he disagrees with me? Because that would be a very silly thing to say. Go ahead and make the accusation openly. Stand behind it, so I can eviscerate it. You’ll end up looking really bad, but at least you will be committing yourself to the silly accusation rather than slyly suggesting it.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  292. 274, better yet, turn off comments — as he did on the next post. Good decision.

    Thank you. I thought I would promote the Jury, and I did not think I could take reading the defenses without the Jury’s rules.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  293. 274… oh, what a wonderful world

    You too. If you want to make a suggestion like saying I moderated EPWJ for disagreeing me me, have the stones to come out and say it. That way when I show how absurd it sounds, you own it. But you’re not going to do that, are you? You’ll just slyly suggest it and continually refer to others’ agreement to reassure yourself that you are right.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  294. The Great and Powerful Oz has spoken! His purpose and motives are not within your capacity to understand. He does not suffer fools nor criticism from fools lightly.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  295. So making a statement like “and yet he’s still president” is that bothersome? Was that the grounds for moderation?

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  296. Its a silly argument, we all know democrats ate the kindest bravest and should rule by decree whereas republicans only win by appeals to hatred (1988), fixed voting machines (2004) and Russians (2016)

    narciso (d1f714)

  297. So making a statement like “and yet he’s still president” is that bothersome? Was that the grounds for moderation?

    How many times did he make it? Please count them and get back to me. Once you have your report, tell me if he has ever been moderated before and why, and whether that history is relevant.

    But first, the count.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  298. Unless Haiku withdraws his snide implication that I moderated EPWJ for disagreeing with me, I am going to respond to Haiku in the future by saying “and yet Trump signed the omnibus” — at least as many times as EPWJ reminded us in one thread that Trump is still the President. Surely the umpteenth time will be perceived the same as the first!

    Patterico (0d5408)

  299. I bet I don’t get a count or a retraction.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  300. Its a killing word, like mua’dibs name,

    narciso (d1f714)

  301. A reminder to all the knob polishing boot licking Trump humpers: Trump will be the president for a maximum of eight years. And there is absolutely no ironclad guarantee that he will be the president past 2020.

    Gryph (08c844)

  302. Also he signed the omnibus.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  303. He said it somewhere between 20 and a hundred times. I would ask how many times you have written what essentially boils down to “Trump is bad, Trump is a moron, etc…”. It’s formulaic. Like a Top 20 hit song.

    It all boils down to the same thing.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  304. That’s not a count. And Trump signed the omnibus.

    Patterico (0d5408)

  305. He sure did. And that was the wrong thing to do, a disappointment, as I said at the time.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  306. Is there a limit on the number of times Trump supporters can be called Tumpikins, knob-polishers, cultists, etc? Because that stuff really lacks value and adds nothing to the discussion. Also, it’s kinda uncivil. Asking for a friend.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  307. He said it somewhere between 20 and a hundred times. I would ask how many times you have written what essentially boils down to “Trump is bad, Trump is a moron, etc…”. It’s formulaic. Like a Top 20 hit song.

    It all boils down to the same thing.

    If you can’t tell the difference between repeating the same annoying phrase six times in a single comment thread in an obvious attempt to troll, and actual analysis, then I suggest that partisanship has badly damaged your ability to make simple distinctions.

    Trump signed the omnibus.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  308. Is there a limit on the number of times Trump supporters can be called Tumpikins, knob-polishers, cultists, etc? Because that stuff really lacks value and adds nothing to the discussion. Also, it’s kinda uncivil. Asking for a friend.

    Are you complaining about civility? Did you say this about me?

    The Great and Powerful Oz has spoken! His purpose and motives are not within your capacity to understand. He does not suffer fools nor criticism from fools lightly.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  309. And Mcconnell put it together, at the eleventh of the eleventh day.

    narciso (d1f714)

  310. Trump signed the Omnibus. Yes… yes he did.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  311. Brill Street is dead.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  312. Trump signed the Omnibus. Yes… yes he did.

    And yet he’s still president

    Patterico (115b1f)

  313. Yes, he sure is. That seems to be a burr under many a leathered saddle.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  314. If the banter was a little more jovial I would play with the argument that EPWJ was put into moderation for disagreeing with Pat that he was “trolling.”

    His comment at 245 suggests such a disagreement.

    But nobody is having any fun looking at alternatives(whether we personally agree with them or not), so I won’t explore it.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  315. Ah that reminds me, brill had a piece in time magazine, about how bureaucrats don’t have enough power in the govt

    narciso (d1f714)

  316. 321… nobody said it would be fun, BuDuh. This is a grim bidness.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  317. 321… nobody said it would be fun, BuDuh. This is a grim bidness.

    And yet Trump signed the omnibus.

    I’m not trolling, as you can easily see by my stating that I’m not trolling.

    But he did sign it.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  318. If the banter was a little more jovial I would play with the argument that EPWJ was put into moderation for disagreeing with Pat that he was “trolling.”

    His comment at 245 suggests such a disagreement.

    If someone states that they are not trolling, then they are not trolling. QED argument over no takebacks

    Patterico (115b1f)

  319. Then you may as well unmoderated him.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  320. Trump did sign the Omnibus. In fact, he signy-signy-signed it.

    Colonel Haiku (0e0056)

  321. Then you may as well unmoderated him.

    And yet Trump signed the omnibus.

    I’m not trolling you.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  322. You do realize that vetting a prospect for loyalty has nothing to do with vetting a prospect for experience or competency, don’t you?

    One, the Vino Vixen wasn’t vetting prospects, she was engaging in the act of politically cleansing existing personnel. Two, foreign service officers are obliged to pledge their loyalty to the Constitution, not some shallow clown whose ego is only surpassed by his vanity. If they can’t abide by this oath

    …solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

    …then they shouldn’t be there no matter how well qualified for the job, but Vino Vixen wasn’t evaluating their loyalty to the Constitution or to the Office of the President. No, she was being a political hack.

    Paul Montagu (c66aed)

  323. Are you complaining about civility? Did you say this about me?

    Of course not. I was speaking of The Orange One, re:

    So funny to watch the Fake News, especially NBC and CNN. They are fighting hard to downplay the deal with North Korea. 500 days ago they would have “begged” for this deal-looked like war would break out. Our Country’s biggest enemy is the Fake News so easily promulgated by fools!

    And I did only say it once. Odd coincidence though. My friend is still concerned about the rules concerning repeated name callings of Tumpikins, knob-polishers, cultists, etc, though. He is puzzled as to how they contribute to the discussion and how entertaining the constant repetition of such may be.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  324. if you narrowed down constitution believers at foggy bottom you’d never have a quorum,

    narciso (d1f714)

  325. You too. If you want to make a suggestion like saying I moderated EPWJ for disagreeing me me, have the stones to come out and say it. That way when I show how absurd it sounds, you own it. But you’re not going to do that, are you? You’ll just slyly suggest it and continually refer to others’ agreement to reassure yourself that you are right.

    Patterico (0d5408) — 6/14/2018 @ 6:32 am

    No. The reason people are responding harshly is that trolling is permitted if it’s anti-Trump, but not if it is pro-Trump. Just look at nk’s remarks on this thread for evidence.

    NJRob (5cd3fb)

  326. The reason people are responding harshly is that trolling is permitted if it’s anti-Trump, but not if it is pro-Trump. Just look at nk’s remarks on this thread for evidence.

    Point one out for me, one of my remarks that you consider trolling, NJRob.

    nk (dbc370)

  327. Here’s two as per your request:

    Trump’s mother was a foreign-born. We don’t know if he is even a half-breed, since it’s “mama’s baby, daddy’s maybe”.

    nk (dbc370) — 6/14/2018 @ 5:55 am

    For starters, in our TeeVee age, Arrington is young and hot;

    Think she reminds Trump of his daughter?

    nk (dbc370) — 6/13/2018 @ 5:44 pm

    NJRob (5cd3fb)

  328. That’s not trolling.

    The first was in response to this by Hoagie: Now if Trump were a half breed moslem commie he wouldn’t need to vet for loyalty it would be a given just like a Peace Prize for winning an election.

    The second was part of the discussion about Trump’s reasons for endorsing Arrington over Sanford, and I think you know what it refers to.

    Moreover, I did not repeat either six times, targeting one particular commenter, as EPWJ did with Dustin. But it is anti-Trump and I guess for a Trump supporter anything that is anti-Trump is trolling.

    #Commies Love Trump!

    nk (dbc370)

  329. Nk,

    You know it’s trolling because it was meant to disrupt the conversation and go into personal attacks.

    And you know commies hate Trump. Just look at the American left. They foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name. Hmm.

    NJRob (5cd3fb)

  330. Ok, NJRob. I expect that if you believe that

    everybody can now feel much safer than the day I [Trump] took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

    you will believe that my comments are trolling.

    nk (dbc370)

  331. Nk,

    Since I already responded to Beldar’s direct question on the subject I’ll just say your assumptions are again incorrect.

    You hate Trump. We get it. Mostly because he’s openly spoken against illegal immigration even if he hasn’t done much about it. But the trolling is boring. Get new material.

    NJRob (5cd3fb)

  332. You hate Trump. We get it. Mostly because he’s openly spoken against illegal immigration even if he hasn’t done much about it. But the trolling is boring. Get new material.

    NJRob

    You gotta love how Trump has changed discourse in our country. NJRob isn’t just dismissing NK’s arguments, he’s calling them trolling. And not only that, he’s cramming words into NK’s mouth about why NK feels the way he does. All this based on nothing at all. One of Trump’s key failures has been on his promises to reform illegal immigration. NJRob’s claim that Trump is the victim yet again because of Trump’s heroism on illegal immigration is quite strange. Trump’s actions are in line with the Trump fan’s fantasies about a Jeb presidency.

    And you know commies hate Trump. Just look at the American left. They foam at the mouth at the mere mention of his name. Hmm.

    NJRob

    You define communist as people who criticize Trump, and then say these same people criticizing Trump proves commies hate Trump. Step away from the circular argument and look at how the actual communists, the guys in North Korea, salute and are saluted by Trump, their new hero.

    Dustin (ba94b2)


  333. 338.Ok, NJRob. I expect that if you believe that everybody can now feel much safer than the day I [Trump] took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future! nk.


    I’d sooner believe that than: If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, you didn’t build that, the sweetest sound is the moslem call to prayer, if you like your hospital you can keep your hospital, at some point you have too much etc., etc., etc. BTW, Obama is a half breed, he was taught in a madrassa, he did support commie ideas and policies and he did get a Peace Prize just for being elected. So what’s your point?

    I know you have joined Robert “F**K Trump” DeNero, Kathy “Severed head dripping blood” Griffin, Samantha “The C**T” Bee, Stephen “C**K holster” Colbert and their band of (as Dustin would say) real, real smart guys not like us stooopid plebs. I guess because they’re so virtuous. I realize as a newly minted leftist you probably think you’re smart too but wanting to lose with Cruz rather than win with Trump isn’t smart. Well, maybe it is to you.

    And aren’t you a little old to be crying and bawling like a little girl about a lost election 19 months later? I can understand the snowflakes at Harvard they are all putzes but I never figured you for one.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  334. And come on guys. We all know that chanting something obnoxiously over and over is trolling. It’s something a three year old might do, and it’s gone on for weeks. You wouldn’t do that in person unless you had a mental illness.

    Everyone, Trump critics included, need to try to talk to eachother as though they were sitting together over dinner. We’re actually on the same side.

    Most of us agree on the big picture. We all want America to be safe. We don’t want Russia interfering with our elections. We want immigration to be fair and equal, and whatever the law is, we want them enforced the same for everyone. We want a balanced budget. We want our leaders, the FBI, congress to all tell the truth and resist bias.

    Instead of beating eachother over the head with strawman arguments or cherry picked examples, we could actually treat eachother like we’re on the same side. It’s extremely unusual for Trump’s supporters to admit they preferred him over the other GOP candidates. Everyone accepts he’s a very flawed man. And Trump’s critics similarly are deeply critical of many of Trump’s opponents. Trump’s critics do not like Hillary, the New York Times, or crooked FBI investigators. We are generally on the same side and so invested in the fight itself for no good reason.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  335. I know you have joined Robert “F**K Trump” DeNero, Kathy “Severed head dripping blood” Griffin, Samantha “The C**T” Bee, Stephen “C**K holster” Colbert and their band of (as Dustin would say) real, real smart guys not like us stooopid plebs.

    Hoagie, I have not said this. Why would you lie that I did? None of Trump’s critics in this thread are fans of those people, nor do we think they are smarter than Trump’s fans.

    I thought you served in the military so you should understand that you have nothing if you don’t have honor. Have the integrity to admit you simply invented this argument and pretended I said it.

    It’s fascinating to me that I live in your head, or EPWJ’s head, or a few of you guys. I barely interact with you, Hoagie. When is the last time I addressed you at all? Has it been months? And yet here you are obsessed and lying.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  336. S’okay, Dustin. There’s people you can talk to, and there’s people you can only throw a bucket of water on.

    nk (dbc370)

  337. And I do have a bucket for Hoagie. How come Obama is a half-breed for having a Kenyan-born father, and Trump is not when he has a Scottish-born mother?

    nk (dbc370)

  338. LOL, I suppose so, nk.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  339. My guess is that Hoagie is 13 years old and his boasts of killing dozens of people are as honest as his claims about my view of Samantha Bee. In my experience, veterans who actually saw that kind of horrible action aren’t bouncing around bragging about it, but the mall ninja guy with the weird Lord of the Rings knife collection who brags about his time with the Delta Force is a different matter.

    BTW I do not actually know who Samantha Bee is, except she called Ivanka a dirty word and Trump’s fans had their feelings hurt about it. I suspect she is a nobody, but at any rate, Hoagie’s claim that I praised her intelligence is preposterous. It’s part of this campaign of labeling all Trump’s critics as secret left wing democrats. They aren’t exactly changing our minds when they lie about our views, so I have no idea what their purpose is.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  340. 344,345 – nice one, and I’d be tempted to use a bucket of semi solid material. And yes, i am ashamed to say, I peed on unsuspecting people from a rooftop in the middle of rain shower – should have gone into politics, damn.

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  341. Did one of you really say….. “BTW, Obama is a half breed”?

    noel (b4d580)

  342. That’s right, nk. Nearly all of us have mixed heritage. “Half breed” is reserved for those of lesser ancestry, I’d guess??

    noel (b4d580)

  343. noel, yes.

    You do realize that vetting a prospect for loyalty has nothing to do with vetting a prospect for experience or competency, don’t you? Unfortunately we’ve gotten to the point with the radical left that loyalty has become a prerequisite. Now if Trump were a half breed moslem commie he wouldn’t need to vet for loyalty it would be a given just like a Peace Prize for winning an election.

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf) — 6/14/2018 @ 5:49 am

    Hoagie was indeed judging Obama negatively due to being a half white and half black man. Why do Trump’s fans have nothing better to say in Trump’s defense?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  344. No he was a full communist, every association was as crimson as the gutters of the lubyanka, the straw men have an oak flavoring.

    narciso (1ae85b)

  345. Narciso, I don’t doubt that an Illinois academic’s associations are on the far left. But what does Obama’s skin color, or the skin color of his parents, have to do with that? Anyone bringing that up is either a democrat moby or a racist nutcase.

    Does anyone here have respect for the way Hoagie explained his hatred of Obama? I would love to be able to associate more of Trump’s fans with white supremacy.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  346. Noel, Hoagie is the man who suggested South Africa’s blacks were better off under apartheid, and ashamed of marching for civil rights when he was a young man because he thinks it turned out to be a communist manipulation.

    I do remember him from more than ten years ago (or whenever it was I first started hanging around here) and he seemed to be a very decent man back then, except for one thing: even then he was a bigot about Moslems. Don’t know why or he changed. But he seems to have been Trumpified.

    kishnevi (30d0bc)

  347. Narciso, I don’t doubt that an Illinois academic’s associations are on the far left. But what does Obama’s skin color, or the skin color of his parents, have to do with that? Anyone bringing that up is either a democrat moby or a racist nutcase.

    Does anyone here have respect for the way Hoagie explained his hatred of Obama? I would love to be able to associate more of Trump’s fans with white supremacy.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 6/14/2018 @ 2:59 pm

    Is nk a racist for bringing up Trump’s Scottish ancestry and trolling with the implication that he’s not a legitimate American?

    NJRob (2e4985)

  348. Well, has Trump ever renounced his British citizenship? And what about this? https://www.ellontimes.co.uk/news/aberdeenshire-business-owner-wins-presidential-election-1-4282745

    But what I was doing was tweaking Hoagie. And apparently you too.

    nk (dbc370)

  349. Is nk a racist for bringing up Trump’s Scottish ancestry and trolling with the implication that he’s not a legitimate American?

    NJRob

    No and no. Have the moral courage to know the difference between mocking a racist, demonstrating racism’s irrationality with a counter-example, and the evil of expressing actual racism. nk certainly had no problem disposing of Hoagie’s hateful argument about Obama being inferior due to being half-black. After all, white supremacists love Trump, and yet Trump’s lineage like all of mankind’s is from all over the world.

    That you equate this to EPWJ’s trolling, his obnoxious repeating of the same sentence like a baby, is sad.

    I challenged you to answer a straight question, as I challenge all of Trump’s fans. Do you respect the way Hoagie described Obama in this thread? Yes or no. Deflecting with cute nonsense is the cowards answer. Yes or no.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  350. I was thinking maybe age and test level had had an impact on this blog’s tone. But I went back 10 years and seemed similar. Maybe I just didn’t notice it then. Or maybe I did and that’s why I bailed.

    Donno. I didn’t look enough for a scientific analysis.

    Sorry, P-man. Ich kann nichts anders. And I’m even a Papist. Cuts, I know. But not just saying it to screw with you. It’s my simple way of expressing what I see.

    Anonymous (ea5569)

  351. No and no. Have the moral courage to know the difference between mocking a racist, demonstrating racism’s irrationality with a counter-example, and the evil of expressing actual racism. nk certainly had no problem disposing of Hoagie’s hateful argument about Obama being inferior due to being half-black. After all, white supremacists love Trump, and yet Trump’s lineage like all of mankind’s is from all over the world.

    That you equate this to EPWJ’s trolling, his obnoxious repeating of the same sentence like a baby, is sad.

    I challenged you to answer a straight question, as I challenge all of Trump’s fans. Do you respect the way Hoagie described Obama in this thread? Yes or no. Deflecting with cute nonsense is the cowards answer. Yes or no.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 6/14/2018 @ 3:30 pm

    I don’t jump at your beck and call. If you want to be polite about it I’ll answer.

    Hoagie’s remarks have to do with loyalty, not race. It would be the same if Trump was a Russian or poking at Merkel’s East German heritage.

    And nk wasn’t mocking Trump supporters as you claim which is why I posted 2 trolling comments and not 1.

    I’m being civil here and trying to discuss honestly. It’s disappointing that I’m not getting the same decency in return.

    NJRob (b00189)

  352. Because a Marxist whether his Latino like guevata, white like ayers or adr like zuma is still a Marxist, buthelezi, muzorewa or savimbi that’s another matter altogether.

    narciso (d1f714)

  353. NJ Rob defends Hoagie’s racist remarks. OK you’re on record.

    Any other Trump supporters here want to defend Hoagie’s remarks about Obama being half-black?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  354. BTW it’s hilarious that NJRob is defending absolutely evil racism while crying about how polite I was to ask him about his apparently racist views.

    That NJRob says he’s here to discuss this honestly, but wants to avoid actually saying what he really secretly believes, is another matter entirely. I don’t blame bigots for hiding. I blame Trump for inspiring them to peek out into the light though.

    But still, do any other Trump fans (or foes) wish to defend and support Hoagie’s comments about Obama being a half-breed, because his dad was black? Who stands with Hoagie?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  355. Dustin lies. Yes, you lie. I’m trying to be civil, but you saying I’m defending racism is a lie. What Hoagie did was an insult, not racist action. Just like nk did with his Scottish insult. Both were trollish remarks.

    I will expect an apology or I’ll just ignore you from here on out.

    NJRob (b00189)

  356. And narciso you are dead on.

    What nk and Dustin are doing is why we cannot have nice things and why we are so fractured. You’re focused more on name calling than on defending against the tyranny of the left.

    Thanks for playing.

    NJRob (b00189)

  357. They cook da gumbo… a mighty rad gumbo… http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/06/13/brain-eating-amoeba-louisiana/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  358. We feared what would happen, when mandela was released 28 years ago, and he thanked Fidel for aiding his task immeasurably.they boycotted our city for not bowing to the great madiba. In the interim the Nigerians brought the drug trade, mbeki allowed the aids epidemic to explode, but now under ramaphosa they are going full Zimbabwe.

    narciso (d1f714)

  359. NJ Rob, Dustin is a known mischaracterizer and bad actor, well known for smarmy bad faith arguments and such.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  360. For many years, I would laugh in agreement when Rush would say that liberals erroneously thought that Republicans were a bunch of “racist, sexist, bigoted homophobes”. Today? Not so much.

    I now hear racist comments from my Republican relatives and friends on a regular basis. Ditto for the blogs. How did I not notice before? Was it that well hidden?

    noel (b4d580)

  361. Rob, I read “half breed” as a reference to Obama’s biological roots, not his intellectual roots. So did a few others, as you can see.

    kishnevi (1b4366)

  362. Forget it, guys. Trumpkins lie. Like their Supreme Leader. NJRob knows what Hoagie said and what I said and what Stormy said Trump said but that doesn’t put ketchup on Trump’s meatloaf.

    But if you want a giggle, here’s reason number 13,399,999 why Trump won the GOP primary: http://www.wmur.com/article/florida-man-arrested-after-asking-deputies-to-test-meths-quality-police-say/21527896

    nk (dbc370)

  363. Yes because Chicago residents are so sharp,

    narciso (d1f714)

  364. “half-breed muslim” in reference to Barack Obama is criticizing him for having a white mother and a black father. Anyone playing games about what this meant is defending it.

    There is always time to reconsider garbage views and step forward. Obama at least had the right slogan with Hope and Change. He may not be my favorite president, but I am indeed pleased America has elected a black man to the White House. I think Mccain’s concession speech had some truth to it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  365. NJ Rob, Dustin is a known mischaracterizer and bad actor, well known for smarmy bad faith arguments and such.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/14/2018 @ 4:20 pm

    Actually, I’m only ‘known’ this way by you, and you seem to characterize me this way every thread I participate in. The reason for your saying this is that years ago, you sockpuppeted trollish comments about my race, and when I complained that I thought you wrote the racist crap, you lied and said you hadn’t. Then the mods said indeed, based on your IP address, you did leave those remarks and are a liar. Their words, not mine. You went on at length lying about what your denial meant. It was truly pathetic and totally dishonest.

    As best as I can recall, this is why we have those identifiers next to our names, so people can’t lie about the sockpuppet comments they leave anymore. You indeed apologized for the nasty way you behaved, though I’ve since explained that you clearly were lying about the apology too. I understand you can’t let it go and need to settle the score, but the record was clear about that: you were the liar. I don’t bring it up much, but now you are on this campaign to disparage my honesty, and I feel it’s important to bring up what a liar you are.

    Instead of calling me a ‘mischaracterizer,’ why not instead actually quote me and how I was wrong? Instead of attacking my character, why not attack my arguments, and show where I mischaracterized anyone?

    My criticism of ‘half breed’ regarding Obama is pretty damn reasonable. Most of the commenters here agree with me, and disagree with you, the troll who gets banned every month or two these days. Indeed Hoagie’s entire attack of me, the one I quoted about Samantha Bee and Robert De Niro, was a complete “mischaracterization” of my point of view. I’ve never even spoken about these people, and am not this die hard left wing defender of their intelligence. But in order to point this out, I invite the Trump Defense Force to attack me personally, repeatedly.

    It gets extremely tedious.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  366. I care about reversing Obama’s policies, Mcdonnell and Ryan could give two farthings about that. Did we have much to fear from Obama, plenty, perhaps only his Indonesian stepfather had any positive influence on him

    narciso (d1f714)

  367. Rob, I read “half breed” as a reference to Obama’s biological roots, not his intellectual roots. So did a few others, as you can see.

    kishnevi (1b4366) — 6/14/2018 @ 4:56 pm

    So did I. But I read it as his not being an American because his father had loyalties elsewhere, the same as nk’s insult to Trump.

    Once again, no difference as if he was Russian or East German.

    NJRob (b00189)

  368. “half-breed muslim” in reference to Barack Obama is criticizing him for having a white mother and a black father.

    Anyone claiming this sentence is a ‘mischaracterization’ is engaged in defending white supremacism.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  369. I care about reversing Obama’s policies, Mcdonnell and Ryan could give two farthings about that.

    Like deficit spending, enormous growth in government, immigration policy, and Obamacare? Indeed the GOP needs to get serious about this before I get serious about supporting them in the future. All I see these days are Republicans blaming eachother for their collective failure. There’s a Republican in the White House, plenty in our courts, and they run both houses of congress. If they don’t keep the promise to cut spending, shrink government, control immigration effectively, and repeal Obamacare, then I won’t be voting for them.

    Other people clearly have other reasons for supporting Republicans, such as that Obama was apparently insufficiently pure-bred. That’s not a persuasive argument.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  370. 366, well then why was no “Chicago Boyz for SubSaharan Africans” not in wide circulation, apart from the occasional Jonas Savimbi here and there.

    urbanleftbehind (5cb123)

  371. They were mostly killed off, the remainder where the likes of Charles Taylor and the sierra lione crew.

    narciso (d1f714)

  372. Dustin pulling a line straight out of the leftist playbook. Agree with me or I’ll call you a racist for the rest of your life.

    Got it.

    NJRob (b00189)

  373. Nah, NJRob, that’s not really what’s going on here.

    If you defend the argument that Obama was inferior due to being half white and half black, I’ll call you on that. The half-breed argument is indeed a racist one. I tried to google “Obama half breed” and the examples that came up are disgusting (one apparently from a Trump spokesman). I saw nothing about Obama having a mixed ideology and consider that kind of deflection to be dishonest. We all know what “half breed” means when referring to a man with a white mom and a black dad.

    I do not appreciate that the left has often used false accusations of racism, particularly to defend Obama. I’ve mentioned that many times on this blog, actually. It’s embarrassing when it does turn out that a conservative is a white supremacist, and always a bit of a surprise to me. But the fact that “the leftist playbook” criticizes racism doesn’t mean racism is now a good idea for the right. We’re not three years old being obnoxiously opposite just to prove we’re not the left.

    “half-breed muslim” in reference to Barack Obama is criticizing him for having a white mother and a black father. Period. If you defend it, you’re defending white supremacism. If you acknowledge that this is a terrible reason to criticize Obama, and point out some more reasonable reasons to criticize him, then you’re not defending white supremacism. At any rate, if you want to be on record rejecting Hoagie’s characterization of Obama as a “half-breed” I will be glad, not defeated. I do not want anyone to line up with that evil.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  374. half-breed
    ˈhaf ˌbrēd/Submit
    noun
    offensive
    noun: half-breed; plural noun: half-breeds; noun: halfbreed; plural noun: halfbreeds
    a person whose parents are of different races, especially the offspring of an American Indian and a person of white European ancestry.

    Haiku claims I am mischaracterizing to rely on the dictionary definition. NJRob claims the dictionary is the “leftist playbook.” It’s easier to just admit a mistake.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  375. In my comment 345, I asked Hoagie:

    And I do have a bucket for Hoagie. How come Obama is a half-breed for having a Kenyan-born father, and Trump is not when he has a Scottish-born mother?
    nk (dbc370) — 6/14/2018 @ 2:24 pm

    Hoagie did not answer. Can you, NJRob?

    nk (dbc370)

  376. After all, the half-breedness is indisputable when the mother is the other breed. “Mama’s baby, daddy’s maybe.” We could always speculate that Barack Obama Sr. was not the real father, and maybe it was the mailman and that he was a natural-born U.S. citizen. But there’s no such speculation with Mary Anne MacLeod Trump. Nicht wahr?

    nk (dbc370)

  377. NJ Rob, Dustin is a known mischaracterizer and bad actor, well known for smarmy bad faith arguments and such.

    False. Haiku is known as a troll while Dustin is known as one of the most valuable and stand-up commenters this blog has seen.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  378. I am disappointed to see Hoagie use the term half-breed on my blog.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  379. 387… he’s the King of Smarm.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  380. That’s a straw man of your construct, Dustin. Nowhere did I relate that to the term “half-breed”. You habitually mischaracterize what others write and impugn motives.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  381. So did I. But I read it as his not being an American because his father had loyalties elsewhere, the same as nk’s insult to Trump.

    That is quite a stretch.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  382. And that is what you’ve just done. Thanks for the demonstration.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  383. I was thinking maybe age and test level had had an impact on this blog’s tone. But I went back 10 years and seemed similar. Maybe I just didn’t notice it then. Or maybe I did and that’s why I bailed.

    Donno. I didn’t look enough for a scientific analysis.

    Sorry, P-man. Ich kann nichts anders. And I’m even a Papist. Cuts, I know. But not just saying it to screw with you. It’s my simple way of expressing what I see.

    So you’re bailing again? OK then. I’ll wait to dry my tears until after you’re totally gone.

    Btw indulgences were bad!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  384. That’s a straw man of your construct, Dustin. Nowhere did I relate that to the term “half-breed”.

    Sure you did. Anyone reading for context can see you did. Maybe you didn’t notice that, at the moment you threw the tomato, you were throwing it at someone for calling out the use of the term “half breed” based on its plain meaning. If so, you should be more careful about throwing the tomatoes just because someone is On Your Team, lest rational observers who can read English in context conclude (as I do here) that you were defending the use of that term.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  385. Wow, jerk chicken on the grill really clears out the sinuses! It goes nicely with a bit of Macallan 10, neat, though, is all I’m saying.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  386. Ginger and wheatgerm shot also works.

    narciso (d1f714)

  387. I did not. I’ve contended this for years. Nothing new there. I would not defend the use of that term and did not in this thread. Whether YOU know it or not.

    I guess you’ve chosen to become known as the Ian Faith of bloggers. You’re doing a good job of it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  388. Dustin is a serial mischaracterization bullschiff artist.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  389. I did not. I’ve contended this for years. Nothing new there. I would not defend the use of that term and did not in this thread. Whether YOU know it or not.

    I’ll accept your representation. But, as I said, you really need to be more careful about the timing of your tossing of tomatoes. Because anyone reading this passage would conclude exactly that about what you said.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  390. That’s a straw man of your construct, Dustin. Nowhere did I relate that to the term “half-breed”. You habitually mischaracterize what others write and impugn motives.

    Colonel Haiku

    You seem pretty hell bent on saying I’m being dishonest, even though this is a great example of a good faith effort on my part. If you’re going to tell NJRob I am mischaracterizing him, and I am only talking to him about one thing, the meaning of ‘half-breed’, it is not mischaracterizing you to note the only known dictionary definition of half-breed is what I said it was, and not this ideology thing NJRob was discussing.

    You tend to be play Clintonian word games when you defend yourself, admitting no fault, ever, answering questions very rarely, and always attacking the personal character of those who disagree with you. I’ve tried to play ball with you thousands of times but that’s obviously a waste of time.

    You were the one who butted into this conversation to referee against me, as usual, with the same ‘he’s mischaracterizing’ argument you rarely seem to actually support with quotes or reasons. We were only talking about the one thing. So you’re wrong, plainly.

    There was that one time where I quoted buduh, and then said I hadn’t, because I forgot, and then I realized it and admitted my (incredibly minor and insignificant) mistake. From this point I guess you’ve been on this campaign to prove I’m a dirty old snake mischaracterizing everything because I’m such a terrible guy. Really we both know where this soreness comes from, Haiku. Let it go and I surely will. I’d prefer you just left me alone in all honesty. It’s been a couple of years since you posted something clever or interesting. Like many these days, Trump’s changed the nature of your whole outlook on life.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  391. Ah, scotch. I’m reminded, as I often am, of Lawrence Block’s description, which I quoted here nearly 14 years ago:

    Slow sipping, that’s the way to do it. You take little sparrow-sized sips, and you keep telling yourself that you like the taste, and by the time you get to the bottom of the glass, it’s true.

    . . . . Somewhere around the fifth sip, it had achieved the virtue of familiarity. I was accustomed to it, and the question of whether I actually liked it no longer seemed pertinent. It was like, say, a cousin. The man’s your cousin, for God’s sake! What do you mean, you don’t like him? You don’t have to like him or dislike him! He’s your cousin!

    But I like my cousin!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  392. You seem pretty hell bent on saying I’m being dishonest, even though this is a great example of a good faith effort on my part. If you’re going to tell NJRob I am mischaracterizing him, and I am only talking to him about one thing, the meaning of ‘half-breed’, it is not mischaracterizing you to note the only known dictionary definition of half-breed is what I said it was, and not this ideology thing NJRob was discussing.

    That is precisely the problem, Mr. Tomato Thrower Haiku.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  393. Dustin, you aren’t half-bad, when you cut the brown-nosing and the smarm… or at least keep it to a minimum.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  394. What’s that, Ian?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  395. What’s that, Ian?

    And yet Trump signed the omnibus.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  396. Look, I get the whole foxhole buddies schtik… it’s cute. Salud.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  397. He sure did… I wrote about it upthread.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  398. Look, I get the whole foxhole buddies schtik… it’s cute. Salud.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/14/2018 @ 9:30 pm

    Dude, I do appreciate Patterico’s send of friendship and loyalty, but you are completely off base. When in this thread did I mention Patterico at all? Where is this smarm? Where is this butt kissing you’re so concerned about? I think this is just your way of making things uglier than they are. And though you’ve always butted heads with me, you’ve lost your charm since you gave up on Romney and picked up the Trump torch. If you haven’t noticed, I don’t really care to engage you. I used to love arguing with you, even though it never got anywhere, but it’s always immediately personal now.

    I don’t need extra drama or anger. This is for fun. You don’t sound like you’re having much fun, and honestly I’m not either when I’m defending myself from all these character defects you pulled out of thin air.

    At any rate, the smarm seems to be at literal minimum in this thread, right? As in zero. So you got what you wanted. Chill out.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  399. I’ve now invested, off and on, about three hours reading the IG report. I’ve got tons more to read. I will say this, however:

    This is not a one dimensional story. The investigation done by the IG is incredibly thorough; editorial skill and judgment has been used in marshaling the evidence, yet it is reported un-spun: Witness X says A, witness Y says B, witness Z says A and not C but maybe B.

    The resulting jumble of granular details doesn’t fit neatly with anyone’s narratives, and it’s already obliged me to reevaluate a lot of what I thought I knew, from internet reporting by sources whom I’ve respected.

    Beldar (fec66f)

  400. The resulting jumble of granular details doesn’t fit neatly with anyone’s narratives, and it’s already obliged me to reevaluate a lot of what I thought I knew, from internet reporting by sources whom I’ve respected.

    I would absolutely love to hear more. Any chance you want to write an actual blog post? You could post it here, at your blog, in both places — whatever.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  401. Great. Now Beldar made me want to read it, too. And I’ve got to do five hours of CLE on law office management.

    nk (dbc370)

  402. Misery loves company. Here’s the link to download what appears to be the official published version. https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download

    nk (dbc370)

  403. @ 394

    Anyone reading for context can see you did.

    “Context”?!?! “Context”?!?!?

    I say lets break it down with symbolic logic, and deconstruct the sentence structure to come up with his true meaning.

    “Context” is not necessary when trying to figure out what people said.

    What they meant is not a consideration to finding the truth.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  404. 395

    No that’s just plain mean.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  405. Hoagie did not answer. Can you, NJRob?

    nk (dbc370) — 6/14/2018 @ 8:23 pm

    Except I did answer above when I said they were both meant as insults and trollish comments.

    NJRob (b00189)

  406. I say lets break it down with symbolic logic, and deconstruct the sentence structure to come up with his true meaning.

    Go ahead.

    Patterico (3b6af9)


  407. 345.And I do have a bucket for Hoagie. How come Obama is a half-breed for having a Kenyan-born father, and Trump is not when he has a Scottish-born mother?
    nk (dbc370) — 6/14/2018 @ 2:24 pm


    Can you point me to my comment where I specifically stated Trump wasn’t a half breed? Of course you can’t because that’s not your point, is it? Your point is to try and make a racial observation into a racist statement or you’re trying to draw a similarity between being half African and being half Scottish. There isn’t one.

    When do you think you’ll get over Hillary losing and begin to be thankful we have a president who actually does conservative things? Even though you hate him. You don’t have to like the guy personally to admit once in a while he’s doing some good things. More than Obama. A lot more than your gal Hillary would have. But the neverTrump cult persists. Why not just join the democrat/socialist/communist party and quit all the phony posturing?

    Rev.Hoagie (c5d6cf)

  408. why is it taking bobby lick lick mueller and the hot and horny men and women of the corrupt and sleazy fbi so long to investigate a phony russian collusion scandal

    this isn’t reassuring is it

    they might could just be clowns huh

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  409. You can’t give back the deposit on so much office space pikachu.

    narciso (d1f714)

  410. these fbi clowns are gonna waste the whole summer jacking off then they’re gonna be all like hey where did the summer go i wanna go outside and play

    but then it’ll be too late

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  411. “Criticism of James Comey is nothing new—it’s one of the few things that both Republicans and Democrats can agree on. Which made the headline takeaway of the Department of Justice Inspector General’s report—that Comey deviated from FBI norms—something less than a surprise. But the Comey story isn’t even close to being the most interesting or instructive finding by the IG.

    Perhaps the most shocking information in the IG’s report is the revelation that Lisa Page and Peter Strzok were not the only amorous agents with a habit of texting. There were also “Agent 1” and “Agent 5,” who were involved in the Clinton investigation and, according to the IG’s report “were in a relationship at the time and are now married.” Their communications make for a searing indictment of the culture of the FBI and paint a portrait of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email practices as fiasco.

    Agent 1 was one of the key players in the investigation—one of just four “case agents” on the probe—and he not only expressed his political support for Clinton, he advocated against subjecting Hillary to an FBI interview. A few days before the Clinton confab, he sent an instant-message in which he complained about how many agents and attorneys were prepping for the questioning: “… very aggravating making this flow with 20+ voices for disparate information anyway.” Fair enough. But then, as the message goes on he suggests that he has a certain lack of enthusiasm for the whole affair. “We have nothing—shouldn’t even be interviewing”

    Just in case his girlfriend didn’t savvy the full extent of his disgruntlement at the prospect of interviewing Hillary Clinton, Agent 1 added “My god … I’m actually starting to have embarrassment sprinkled on my disappointment. … Ever been forced to do something you adamantly opposed.”

    Asked by the IG about these comments, Agent 1 insisted he hadn’t meant his message: “I don’t want to make it sound like there was no reason to interview her.” As for explaining his “adamantly opposed” comments, Agent 1’s memory seemed to give out.”

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/eric-felten/meet-the-other-amorous-fbi-staffers-who-texted-about-the-clinton-email-investigation

    Colonel Haiku (79ca52)

  412. “…and begin to be thankful we have a president who actually does conservative things? Even though you hate him. You don’t have to like the guy personally to admit once in a while he’s doing some good things.”

    It’s like Top 40 Radio, Hoagie. They have a formula that they think resonates with “true conservatives” and that will take them to the top o’ the charts… with a bullet. That’s why it’s the same thing day, after day, week after week, since well before November 8, 2016… “Trump’s bad… Trump’s a moron… Trump’s detestable…”. And they have the balls to complain about “trollers”.

    They may as well be Democrats, as they are closer to Schumer and Pelosi than they are to people who appreciate the fact that Trump has gotten more done in the first two years of his first term than any Republican President in their lifetime.

    Colonel Haiku (79ca52)

  413. And that’s a fact.

    Colonel Haiku (79ca52)

  414. @ 394

    Anyone reading for context can see you did.

    “Context”?!?! “Context”?!?!?

    I say lets break it down with symbolic logic, and deconstruct the sentence structure to come up with his true meaning.

    “Context” is not necessary when trying to figure out what people said.

    What they meant is not a consideration to finding the truth.

    Context for Trump’s statement on the official includes his pattern of lying and his pattern of making things up, including about the media. Put that together with plain English and the meaning is clear to me.

    You’re very sarcastic and unpleasant to talk to.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  415. They may as well be Democrats, as they are closer to Schumer and Pelosi than they are to people who appreciate the fact that Trump has gotten more done in the first two years of his first term than any Republican President in their lifetime.
    Colonel Haiku (79ca52) — 6/15/2018 @ 7:11 am

    So:

    1. I am a Democrat now because Haiku says I am.

    2. I don’t appreciate Trump, which is apparently now character flaw on my part.

    3. “Trump has gotten more done in the first two years of his first term than any Republican President in my lifetime.” With a pen, not with Congress, even though he has a Republican Congress. I’m glad he knows how to sign his name.

    DRJ (46c88f)

  416. Please prove number 3. Anyone else would have gotten ObamaCare overturned.

    DRJ (46c88f)

  417. Kettle? This pot, you’re black…

    And Trump signed teh Omnibus

    Colonel Haiku (79ca52)

  418. At least swc abandoned his silly quest to pretend that I moderated EPWJ for simply disagreeing with me.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  419. Please prove number 3. Anyone else would have gotten ObamaCare overturned.

    DRJ, he got the NFL to punish players for taking a knee. Please keep your eye on the big picture.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  420. Anyone else would have gotten ObamaCare overturned.

    DRJ (46c88f) — 6/15/2018 @ 7:52 am

    Not the most ridiculous claim I’ve seen here, but definitely top 10.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  421. And anyone else would’ve erased the national debt by now.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  422. And anyone else would’ve erased the national debt by now.

    He promised to.

    random viking,

    I responded to your comment alleging that because I voted for George W. Bush that means I automatically think everything he did was “hunky dory.” You can find my response here.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  423. Anyone else would have gotten ObamaCare overturned.

    DRJ (46c88f) — 6/15/2018 @ 7:52 am

    Not the most ridiculous claim I’ve seen here, but definitely top 10.

    random viking (6a54c2) — 6/15/2018 @ 7:58 am

    trump claims he put an end to ObamaCare. I guess that is the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever seen here.

    DRJ (15874d)

  424. trump claims he put an end to ObamaCare. I guess that is the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever seen here.

    Well then, according to Trump, we can dust off our hands and call it a day. I guess that will never be a priority again, because they have declared that it is accomplished.

    Meanwhile premiums are skyrocketing, just as everyone knew they would after repealing only the penalty for the mandate while doing nothing else about the law. But never mind. Trump repealed ObamaCare because he told us and he does not lie.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  425. cowardly lying torture-turd John McCain hates harvardtrash ted almost as much as he hates President Trump

    he would’ve voted like a democrat on obamacare for sure if harvardtrash ted had somehow got elected

    and i’m pretty sure that’s how his no-talent daughter got the lucrative View gig

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  426. I responded to your comment alleging that because I voted for George W. Bush that means I automatically think everything he did was “hunky dory.” You can find my response here.

    Thank you. I responded.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  427. Can you point me to my comment where I specifically stated Trump wasn’t a half breed? Of course you can’t because that’s not your point, is it? Your point is to try and make a racial observation into a racist statement or you’re trying to draw a similarity between being half African and being half Scottish. There isn’t one.

    Nope. I was trying to get you to say what you just did. That you were talking about Obama’s race. Not his national origin. And that you think there’s a difference between being half African and half Scottish. And now I (and any other sensate person here) can ignore you from here on.

    But I won’t call you a racist. That would be like calling water wet, cause I’ve known that about you since your first comment on this site. And maybe now other people will realize it, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  428. Yes that Mccain and murkowskis fault, their tantrum sandbagged the repeal and Collins, but fate will take the first and Mcconnell will insure the second.

    narciso (d1f714)

  429. PS. And the half African part of Obama’s left little finger has more worth as a human being than the whole German-Irish slicked up boy toy of Kim Jong Un.

    nk (dbc370)

  430. The 150 billion dollars he gave the mullahs make him a real humanitarian.

    narciso (d1f714)


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