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6/2/2018

Trump: That Letter from Kim That I Never Saw Was Very Nice and Interesting

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:22 pm

While yammering aimlessly about the upcoming North Korea summit, President Trump claimed that a letter from Kim Jong-un was “very nice” and “very interesting” — and then admitted less than ten minutes later that he hadn’t opened it.

At 2:41, Trump says the letter was “very nice” and “very interesting”:

TRUMP: Well, this was a very good meeting. Don’t forget: this was a meeting where a letter was given to me by Kim Jong-un. And that letter was, a very nice letter. Oh, would you like to see what was in that letter. Wouldn’t you like? How much? How much? How much?

JOURNALIST: Could you just give us the flavor of what the letter said?

TRUMP: It was a very interesting letter. At some point, it may be appropriate and maybe I’ll be able to give it to you, maybe. You’ll be able to see it. And maybe fairly soon.

At 10:54, Trump says he hasn’t seen the letter:

JOURNALIST: Mr. President, what was your response to the letter. Did you send anything back?

TRUMP: No, I didn’t. I haven’t seen the letter yet. I purposely didn’t open the letter. I haven’t opened it. I didn’t open it in front of the director. I said, “Would you want me to open it?” He said, “You can read it later.” I may be in for a big surprise, folks!

This is 47-dimensional chess like nothing you’ve ever seen. The genius of it will be revealed in the future.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

262 Responses to “Trump: That Letter from Kim That I Never Saw Was Very Nice and Interesting”

  1. LOL.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. Liars gonna lie. Politicians gonna politic. YAWN

    Gryph (5efbad)

  3. 47-dimensional chess players gonna play 47-dimensional chess

    Patterico (115b1f)

  4. That’s your way of conceding there will be a summit unless you are going to insist on the hotel dodge.

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. Never a dull moment. X-Ray vision, maybe?

    crazy (5c5b07)

  6. P- you might want to sync up your time zones on the post clips– he spoke this magic mere minutes apart.
    _____

    It’s the whole quart of strawberries in one delicious soundbite!

    In the Oval Office stills, notice how the pix of him holding the ‘yugely’ big envelope make his small hands look all the more tiny.

    Oh-so-well-played, Kim!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. The next line after the cutoff of the 1st YouTube is Trump saying that it was supposed to be a dropoff of a letter that then turned into a 2hr long conversation.

    It seems possible that a 2hr conversation with the 2nd most powerful person from NK may have covered some of what was in the letter.

    In my opinion, Trump’s actual issue isn’t that which is being portrayed here, that he both read and didn’t read the letter. I think the major screw up is that he set into motion the suiciding of the guy who delivered the letter by admiting that the contents were discussed prior to the opening of it.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  8. Hyung choi is like the operative in firefly he gets others to suicide themselves.

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. @7. It seems possible that a 2hr conversation with the 2nd most powerful person from NK may have covered some of what was in the letter.

    It was 80 minutes.

    Gotta get me one of them Trump Watches to go with the ties, shirts, socks and belts.

    June 12 Meeting With N. Korean Leader Is Back On

    ‘WHITE HOUSE — U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday met for 80 minutes in the Oval Office with a general he described as the second most powerful man in North Korea.’

    ptvnews.ph/trump-june-12-meeting-n-korean-leader-back

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. X!, he proclaimed.

    The crowd roared its approval.

    Not X!, he declaimed.

    The mob coursed with cheers and huzzahs.

    If A, then B he intoned.

    (A low buzz went through the throng, rendered uncertain by the intonation, and the unfinished thought.)

    A!!!, he freely and so very sweetly sang (with a C-note).

    And . . . not B!!, he concluded with a flourish (the most flourish-y of conclusions that had ever been heard!)

    And the crowd raised itself as if one, and cheered, and swooned, and passed gas in prodigious quantities — in unadulterated celebration.

    Q! (86710c)

  11. I know we aren’t supposed to reject the media immediately, and I generally don’t, but who is the actual source of the 80min timeline?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  12. Trump is hilarious.
    His style is absolutely disruptive. My great aunt talks in circles just like this. It can be maddening to try to figure out, so the best thing to do is wait it out and eventually the real, whole story comes out, but by then its over. She’s 104, forgets everything…. except how to cheat at cards

    steveg (a9dcab)

  13. I saw a Reuters piece that said the meeting was 90min in the oval office.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  14. Trump doesn’t read letters. He barely reads twitter. He’s waiting for Hannity to tell him what the letter says.

    Glenn (4793ca)

  15. This cnn
    https://youtu.be/WrqaQILecw
    The ones who focused on the crucial issue of koi ponds

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. Scott Adams is impressed.

    Leviticus (e5b104)

  17. Speaking of letters, this one’s pretty interesting (footnote omitted):

    We decline to recommend to the President that he be interviewed on [the] subject [of Trump’s meeting with Comey on February 14, 2017] for many reasons.

    What follows is a non-exhaustive list:

    * First, the President was not under investigation by the FBI;

    * Second, there was no obvious investigation to obstruct since the FBI had concluded on January 24, 2017, that Lt. Gen. Flynn had not lied, but was merely confused.18Director Comey confirmed this in his closed-door Congressional testimony on March 2, 2017.19

    * Third, as a matter of law, even if there had been an FBI investigation there could have been no actionable obstruction of said investigation under 18 U.S.C. § 1505, since an FBI investigation is not a “proceeding” under that statute. Since there is no cognizable offense, no testimony is required;

    * Fourth, both Mr. Comey and Mr. McCabe subsequently testified under oath that therewas “no effort to impede” the investigation. Mr. McCabe’s testimony followed Mr.Comey’s testimony on May 3, 2017, just six days before his termination, that “it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something . . . for a political reason. That would be a very big deal. It’s not happened in my experience.”

    * Fifth, the investigation of Lt. Gen. Flynn proceeded unimpeded and actually resulted in a charge and a plea;

    * Sixth, assuming, arguendo, that the President had made a comment to Mr. Comey that Mr. Comey claimed to be a direction, as the chief law enforcement official pursuant to Article II of the United States Constitution, the President had every right to express his view of the case;

    Seventh, your office already has an ample record upon which to base your findings of no obstruction. As such there is no demonstrated, specific need for the President’s responses; and,

    Eighth, by firing Lt. Gen. Flynn, the President actually facilitated the pursuit of justice. He removed a senior public official from office within seventeen days, in the absence of any action by the FBI and well before any action taken by your office.

    In law school, in civil procedure, they taught us about “pleading in the alternative.” If your client is sued for breaking a borrowed teapot, you may indeed plead in defense, in the alternative, that the the defendant never borrowed the plaintiff’s teapot; that it was already broken when the defendant borrowed it; that it wasn’t broken when the defendant returned it to the plaintiff; that some unknown party must have broken the teapot; that the plaintiff never owned a teapot; that the plaintiff made a gift of the teapot to the defendant and has no standing to complain of its being broken; and that the defendant doesn’t even like tea.

    We’re taught in law school that judges are supposed to allow us to plead in the alternative like this when they’re ruling on whether our pleadings are adequate to give fair notice to the other side. However, experience teaches me that factfinders trying to decide who’s truthful and who’s lying aren’t generally receptive to pleading in the alternative, and that by the time you get to trial, you better have figured out the deal with that damned teapot.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  18. Discos understanding of network TV is stuck in 1976’s network, in the miasma of detente

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. Another leaked work product, what are the odds?

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. Trump’s complaining about it, narciso, but once again, he’s being coy:

    There was No Collusion with Russia (except by the Democrats). When will this very expensive Witch Hunt Hoax ever end? So bad for our Country. Is the Special Counsel/Justice Department leaking my lawyers letters to the Fake News Media? Should be looking at Dems corruption instead?— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 2, 2018

    The NYT just describes this as a letter it has obtained, and they didn’t publish (so far as I can tell) a .pdf version, just a version with their helpful (which is to say, aggressively hostile) commentary and annotations. I expect we’ll hear more soon.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  21. Scott Adams is impressed.

    Leviticus (e5b104) — 6/2/2018 @ 7:33 pm

    I’ll trust an engineer more than a lawyer more often than not.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. Petty and pointless.

    I know it feels good, but it just raises the hackles of Trump supporters and encourages anti-Trump people to double down.

    NJRob (89b8a9)

  23. Cui bono suggest to me this too, like the list of topics, came from Trump: Why would Mueller’s team leak it? How do they benefit from publishing a set of arguments that are uniformly favorable to Trump?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  24. I don’t even trust Scott Adams about cartoons.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  25. “experience teaches me that factfinders trying to decide who’s truthful and who’s lying aren’t generally receptive to pleading in the alternative, and that by the time you get to trial, you better have figured out the deal with that damned teapot.”

    Please indicate where exactly your teapot analogy actually matches the situation you quoted. Additionally you might also want to mention exactly which declared crime the Special Counsel is actually investigating, something as concrete as ‘broken teapot’ would be leagues more honest than anything we’ve seen out of the counsel so far.

    Tellurian (f03292)

  26. Who says it was Mueller’s team, just adverse elements in the executive bureaucracy,

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. “I don’t even trust Scott Adams about cartoons.”

    He was one of the few people whose writing was strong enough to overcome his crappy art, maybe he was just after your time.

    Tellurian (f03292)

  28. It can be maddening to try to figure ou

    It’s very simple. He is a liar.

    encourages anti-Trump people to double down.

    We aren’t betting. Trump is a liar. It’s plain to see. Another day another lie.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  29. Dogbert seems to be an eminence grid at this point

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. @12.Trump is hilarious. His style is absolutely disruptive. My great aunt talks in circles just like this. It can be maddening to try to figure out, so the best thing to do is wait it out and eventually the real, whole story comes out, but by then its over. She’s 104, forgets everything…. except how to cheat at cards

    LOL yes, there are times when his patter makes him ripe for the role of WC Fields. If only he drank. Should they ever do a remake, would pay to hear him do the ‘never give a sucker an even break or smarted up a chump’ speech.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  31. “Cui bono suggest to me this too, like the list of topics, came from Trump: Why would Mueller’s team leak it? How do they benefit from publishing a set of arguments that are uniformly favorable to Trump?”

    Probably redounds more to the benefit of the NYT than the counsel itself, in that they get to be the firstest with the worstest commentary. Conspiracies are rarely monolithing and the cooperating sides can often have competing interests.

    Tellurian (f03292)

  32. You mean like the lies comey relayed to richman and witted, which prompted the independent xounsel, the provenance of the info behind the dossier

    narciso (d1f714)

  33. @18. 1969, narciso; the most popular show on the TeeVee had a Joke Wall, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. You mean like the lies comey relayed to richman and witted, which prompted the independent xounsel, the provenance of the info behind the dossier

    narciso

    No I do not mean like that. I mean very obvious, non-controversial, not complicated, no excuse for error, and not even important lies. He lies for no reason. He lies whenever he speaks to us. It’s not like he cracked under pressure, while juggling many priorities, and had a moral lapse for a moment. He just likes lying to the American people. It’s like when he cheats on his wife or renegs on an agreement to pay for something. He just likes being dishonest.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  35. Yes that was an actual lie whether comey lied to richman or he lied to the times, this was the excuse rosenstein used to summon the special councul.

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. Beldar’s fairly unique in his distaste for Adams, who has built quite an enterprise out of a weekly corporate newspaper cartoon.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  37. But to each his own.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. P- you might want to sync up your time zones on the post clips– he spoke this magic mere minutes apart.

    I mean in the clip. 2:41 in the clip and 10:54 in the clip. (Two minutes and 41 seconds, etc.)

    I say in the post it was less than 10 minutes later.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  39. Petty and pointless.

    I know it feels good, but it just raises the hackles of Trump supporters and encourages anti-Trump people to double down.

    I never said I was going to stop pointing out that Trump lies. How people react to the pointing out of his lies is up to them. It’s interesting that the lie doesn’t raise the hackles of his supporters, but pointing it out with video does.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  40. No I do not mean like that. I mean very obvious, non-controversial, not complicated, no excuse for error, and not even important lies. He lies for no reason. He lies whenever he speaks to us. It’s not like he cracked under pressure, while juggling many priorities, and had a moral lapse for a moment. He just likes lying to the American people. It’s like when he cheats on his wife or renegs on an agreement to pay for something. He just likes being dishonest.

    If we didn’t have the admission in the second clip, people like me would point at his demeanor in the first clip and say: I don’t think he read the letter. For one thing, he doesn’t read. For another, look at the look on his face.

    But having the second clip is just the cherry on top. What an embarrassment this man is to the nation.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  41. @38. Got it. Yeah, saw it live.

    It was seriously funny.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. “It’s interesting that the lie doesn’t raise the hackles of his supporters, but pointing it out with video does.”

    Not really, impenetrably complimenting unique stationary is part and parcel of the business community:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVkW9p-cCU

    Tellurian (f03292)

  43. I never said I was going to stop pointing out that Trump lies. How people react to the pointing out of his lies is up to them. It’s interesting that the lie doesn’t raise the hackles of his supporters, but pointing it out with video does.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 6/2/2018 @ 9:27 pm

    Facts not in evidence counselor.

    This post just doesn’t serve a purpose other than what I said. You mentioned in the earlier post that you took to heart the commenter that mentioned how your blog has undergone a major change since the election and in his opinion, for the worse. This is just more of the same.

    That’s all.

    You’re welcome to continue. I hope it makes you feel good and is helpful for your mental acuity.

    NJRob (b00189)

  44. This post just doesn’t serve a purpose other than what I said. You mentioned in the earlier post that you took to heart the commenter that mentioned how your blog has undergone a major change since the election and in his opinion, for the worse. This is just more of the same.

    That’s all.

    You’re welcome to continue. I hope it makes you feel good and is helpful for your mental acuity.

    You misunderstood my post. I’ll repeat the meat of it here. Focus on the difference between a) giving up calling out hypocrisy and bullshit (not even remotely promised) and b) a pledge not to get in endless arguments with people about it (not promised but pledge given to try):

    Usually, when someone flounces, I am (if anything) pleased. Flounces usually express displeasure at my attitude towards Donald Trump — and generally, I find very little persuasive about most of the bitching about me and the things I write about Trump. But that’s not this commenter’s argument. And I think this commenter has a point. Historically, the commenter is not a hypocrite or crackpot, like so many other flouncers are. And much of what he says rings true to me.

    I am disgusted by the bullshit arguments, hypocrisy, total lack of logic, and blatant double standards I see on a daily basis from some people who defend Trump. But dwelling on it — at least in the way I have for a while now — angers me, which is counterproductive. And I’m trying to remove anger from my life.

    After reading this comment, and realizing that there was some justice in it, I was not quite sure what to do about it. Exposing hypocrisy and double standards is a habit by now. But it raises my blood pressure. Is there a way to channel that feeling into something constructive?

    I asked a couple of good friends that question, and one of them, a very wise soul (who can choose to identify himself or herself, or not), replied in a way that I will paraphrase here. My friend said that there is nothing wrong with exposing double standards, especially if our goal is honest dialogue. But recognize that some people simply won’t engage in honest dialogue. Given that, I should see my efforts at pointing out the hypocrisy and bullshit, not as an effort to change minds, but rather as a public stance that I am going to be consistent in the application of my principles. If the occasional person, whose is not so invested in Trump that their pride is somehow at stake, sees something of value in my commentary, so much the better. But I need to stop letting hypocrites influence how I feel and how I react. My friend closes with the quote: “As much as you can, live in peace with all men.”

    I think this is fantastic advice. I don’t want to give up calling out the B.S., but I do want to give up the negative emotions that come with yelling at people over it.

    The difference is, if you spend several more comments persistently misunderstanding the point that I made in that post, I’m not going to keep repeating it. I’ll say it once, and then let myself off the hook.

    In this post, I call out the B.S. It upsets you. That’s fine. It doesn’t surprise me. But I’m not going to get into an argument with you about it.

    If the post, which clearly serves the purpose of revealing Trump’s casual dishonesty, raises the hackles of Trump supporters, that’s on them. If they admit it does, and then deny it minutes later — much as Trump said he read the letter and then denied it — it is what it is. I’m not giving myself fits arguing with them about it.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  45. 40 there again is the disproven he doesn’t read lie. Funny that in order to bash someone who supposedly lies all the time people need to resort to lies to do it.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  46. Doesn’t upset me. Doesn’t bother me at all. Just find it to be pointless. It’s going to go in circles without actually advancing anything. But it makes you feel good to call the president a liar and a moron. So have at it.

    We still need to live with him as president and to advance the ball for the betterment of our nation. 2016 happened and Trump was elected president. Nothing will change that reality.

    The left is still trying to undo the 2016 election because their goal is to keep their boot on our neck for eternity. That’s my focus.

    NJRob (b00189)

  47. Rosensteiin/Gowdy/2020

    mg (9e54f8)

  48. 40 there again is the disproven he doesn’t read lie. Funny that in order to bash someone who supposedly lies all the time people need to resort to lies to do it.

    I did not see a link to the proof in your comment.

    Patterico (862cea)

  49. Its his way of accepting there will be a summit, eventually he’ll accept the result.

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. BuDuh @#7 seems to have the right of it. Trump was told what was in the letter, but he hadn’t actually read it yet. That’s why he said “I may be in for a big surprise”.

    This stuff is mildly amusing though, like watching a cat being driven nuts with a laser pointer. Of course we all know you cats really enjoy the game. Makes y’all feel like lions. Roar tabby, roar! You’re king among the beasts! (meow)

    the Bas (ab264c)

  51. Trump lies, but not quite good enough to peddle a dossier or infiltrate a campaign. For that, you need more principled folks with badges.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  52. 50, 51… spot on, gentlemen!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. If they admit it does, and then deny it minutes later — much as Trump said he read the letter and then denied it — it is what it is.

    He didn’t say he read it he said it was nice and interesting. Because you conclude that means he read it doesn’t make it so.

    the Bas (ab264c)

  54. Damn it feels good to be a Trumpsta
    A real Trumpsta-ass supporter plays his cards right
    A real Trumpsta-ass supporter never runs his fu*kin mouth
    ’cause real Trumpsta-ass supporters don’t start fights
    But supporters always gonna wanna finish ‘em
    And wanna throw away teh key on Comey, Jim
    And real Trumpsta-ass supporters can’t abide nuts
    ’cause Trumpsta-ass supporters know they heads up they butts
    And everything’s cool in the mind of a Trumpsta
    ’cause Trumpsta-ass supporters go balls deep
    Up three-sixty-five a year 24/7
    ’cause real Trumpsta-ass supporters can’t sleep

    And all I gotta say to you
    Wannabe, gonnabe, corksoakin’, jimmy-eatin’ prankstas
    ’cause when the schiff hits the fan what the F you gonna do
    Damn it feels good to be a Trumpsta

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. Lol, Col.2 pack

    mg (9e54f8)

  56. 48 in a previous thread where you made the same comment I pasted 3 to 4 links. Obviously he reads twitter but more substanceably; https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/us/politics/a-trump-tower-view-of-the-new-boss.html

    “He joins a daily morning transition meeting with his family and staff, but still maintains the routine that sustained him during the campaign: starting his day at 5 a.m. reading The New York Post and The New York Times,”

    From Axios; “With an allergy to computers and phones, he works the papers. With a black Sharpie in hand, he marks up the Times or other printed stories. When he wants action or response, he scrawls the staffers’ names on that paper and either hands the clip to them in person, or has a staffer create a PDF of it — with handwritten commentary — and email it to them. An amazed senior adviser recently pulled out his phone to show us a string of the emailed PDFs, all demanding response.”

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  57. Trump knows specific bylines in the papers and when he’s interviewed by a reporter, he can recite how the reporter has treated him over the years, even in previous jobs.

    Pretty good for someone that doesn’t read.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  58. I think this is just as equally open to an intepretation that Pompeo had read the letter, described its contents, and told Trump that he didn’t need to read it at that time — when everyone was in the room.

    Think about it — who thinks the Secret Service is going to let the Nork’s top intelligence agent hand an oversized envelope to the POTUS, and let him open it before anyone has a chance to inspect its contents?

    And if I were involved in the episode, I would never let POTUS read the letter for the first time in the presence of the Nork who delivered it. I wouldn’t want them to have any “intel” on how POTUS reacted or what he said after knowing the contents of the letter.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  59. Think about it — who thinks the Secret Service is going to let the Nork’s top intelligence agent hand an oversized envelope to the POTUS, and let him open it before anyone has a chance to inspect its contents?

    In fact, one of the news outlets reported the envelope was tested for contaminants by WH security and cleared. SOP.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. “With an allergy to computers and phones, he works the papers. With a black Sharpie in hand, he marks up the Times or other printed stories. When he wants action or response, he scrawls the staffers’ names on that paper and either hands the clip to them in person, or has a staffer create a PDF of it — with handwritten commentary — and email it to them. An amazed senior adviser recently pulled out his phone to show us a string of the emailed PDFs, all demanding response.”

    When did he start using “email;” he made quite the squawk about never using it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. Remember when bill Clinton gave away all our nuxlrar secrets, carter had any as his nuclear advisor, good times:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/06/disneyabc_should_merge_with_starbucks_and_the_nfl.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. What language is the letter written in? Is it known or assumed that Kim writes English or Trump reads Korean?

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  63. Kim might know some French or German, because of his Swiss education, but I imagine not much english

    narciso (d1f714)

  64. 1. I think Trump is right on with looking at this as a process, an opportunity. Not as some “gotta close” type thing. That’s not how diplomacy works. It’s a naive, US-centric, press corps, point of view to see things that way and has led us into making deals we should have passed on.

    2. I do think there are some interesting cultural aspects to this whole situation. With NK being rather Oriental and somewhat ignorant of the rest of the World. Not sure these are exact parallels but the Preble opening of Japan comes to mind (where Preble made a lot of silly pomp and circumstance…that had an effect). More recently, there was the famous “Hawaiian good luck sign” (middle fingers) that the USS Preble crew convinced their captors to publish in a world released photo. I don’t have an exact point here…just a fuzzy idea that this is something to be aware of. That in addition to the strangeness of NK as a familial communist dictatorship, there are cultural gaps that we are not well attuned to. People like the French or the Russians tend to be much shrewder about understanding other countries than we are. Even languages, we are bad at (and I’m including State Dept, NSA linguists, etc.). Where we set the bar at competence versus where a Russian would set competence at is a big difference. This isn’t even a Trump comment, but an issue we have had across administrations…cultural blind spot.

    Anonymous (d41cee)

  65. USS Pueblo, not USS Preble.

    Anonymous (d41cee)

  66. That a letter was nice & interesting may mean that the fact there WAS a letter was nice, and interesting.

    Of course, that doesn’t fit into the “spin everything anti-Trumpward” meme that is so popular today.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  67. Comments here, wrt Trump, seem to fall into categories:

    1. Everything Trump does is just so awesome, sometimes I can’t stand it, its so great!
    2. Trump is doing well, but sometimes I cringe at his misstatements, although reporters twist his words when they can.
    3. Trump is the President. Sign. I want him to succeed when it means America succeeds, but I sure wish we had another Republican there.
    4. Trump is the President. Sigh. I wish it was Hillary since Trump is such a doofus and will cock it all up.
    5. Hillary got more votes. I’ll support Dump when I can, but really he shouldn’t be in that office.
    6. Everything Trump does is so terrible, that even when it seems good I see the real evil hidden behind it.

    I tend to be in group 3, edging towards 2. HF is in group 1. The Washington Post is in group 6. Patterico is generally in group 3, but this post is a few steps down from that in the way it blithely accepts the media spin.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  68. Except that Trump so overuses words such as nice and interesting, it’s hard to say what he means by the over than to make soothing sounds. I would assume that any later from Kim III would be interesting on some level, of course.

    Speaking of “I would assume”…I would assume that someone made sure an English translation of Kim’s Korean original was passed along in some way, the translation being done at our end or theirs.

    kishnevi (aaa345)

  69. I’m somewhere between 3 and 4 Perhaps “I wish it was some other Republican since Trump is such a doofus and will cock it all up”.

    kishnevi (aaa345)

  70. When did he start using “email;” he made quite the squawk about never using it.

    He may have been trying to attract more of the blockhead vote.

    Sometimes I view Trump like the Danny Devito character in “Other People’s Money”* — publicly rude, crass and parochial, but in reality sophisticated, polite and astute. I’m sure a lot of that is wishful thinking, but not all of it is.

    —-
    * great film if you haven’t seen it. Particulary in the way in knocks protectionist politics.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  71. “but this post is a few steps down from that in the way it blithely accepts the media spin.”

    Gee… ya think?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  72. The original quote said that Trump had a staffer created a PDF and email the “action needed” item to whomever Trump wanted to take care of it. It said nothing about his own email abilities.

    And since I don’t really know how to create a PDF, I’m not about to criticize Trump for not knowing how to do that. If he doesn’t know how to do it and the article gives no hint of his abilities on that score.

    But don’t you need an email address to create a Twitter account?

    kishnevi (aaa345)

  73. There’s been a preponderance of blithe acceptance of media mischaracterizations, half-truths and deranged perceptions since early 2016.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. For F’s sake, will someone send DCSCA a box of strawberries already?! He seems fixated on them.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  75. I’ll trust an engineer more than a lawyer more often than not.

    It’s not that the people who are engineers are better than the people who are lawyers, just that lying doesn’t help nearly as much* in engineering as it does in law.

    ———-
    Nature exposes engineering lies

    Kevin M (752a26)

  76. I don’t even trust Scott Adams about cartoons.

    Dilbert is spot-on regarding Big Tech, and seems based on companies like circa-1990 H-P. You may need some experience in the field to get some of it. Then again, Dilbert himself would never vote for Trump. The ironic thing is that the pointy-haired boss pretty much IS Trump.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  77. @67- I’m at 2 with an edit. More like Trump is doing well, but sometimes I cringe at his misstatements, although then I don’t hang on his every utterance, parsing every syllable like reporters [to] twist his words when they can.

    the Bas (ab264c)

  78. He didn’t say he read it he said it was nice and interesting. Because you conclude that means he read it doesn’t make it so.

    the Bas

    Liars defending liars. This is how Trump has harmed the conservative movement, and our nation’s soul. Call it what it is and be a man or woman about this.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  79. Dustin, maybe I’m mistaken. Did Trump (quote) say “I read the letter”?

    ‘Cuz if not, it isn’t Trump that lied, it’s the person that said “as Trump said he read the letter and then denied it” that lied.

    the Bas (ab264c)

  80. 78:

    TDS. His remarks were playful the entire interchange and on a matter of no matter. This reminds me of Patterico talking about “lying” with respect to the briefer who didn’t exist (I even grant the didn’t exist…but clearly not the lie…and Patterico decided to stop defending that “lie” characterization.)

    There is something sort of “woman scorned” about the TDS Never Trumper crew. And the funny thing is I am to the right of most of y’all. Rand Paul Republican. Hated the Bush bailout. Disagree with lots of Trump policies on the merits. But the pretzel-knot tying by the dead enders is…bleh.

    Anonymous (ea5569)

  81. Did Trump (quote) say “I read the letter”? ‘Cuz if not, it isn’t Trump that lied, it’s the person that said “as Trump said he read the letter and then denied it” that lied.

    One wonders how Trump knows the contents of the letter were “nice” and “interesting” if he hasn’t seen it and hasn’t opened it, both things he said he didn’t do.

    Perhaps an assistant did it for him, and then provided him with a report.

    Perhaps he is a real–life Carnac the magnificent, able to divine the contents of an envelope merely by holding it to his forehead.

    But, given the public evidence of Trump’s personality, it is far more likely that he decided to brag about the contents of the letter he had not read, and subsequently revealed his braggadocio by answering a question honestly that had caught him off-guard.

    In common parlance, this is known as “getting caught in a lie.”

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  82. Because he had been told of the contents in the briefing, good grief, seriously you deserve a kamala Harris presidency
    And whatever new dangled colectivos (militia) she can conjure up, or bloc committees the same dang thing

    narciso (d1f714)

  83. To answer 66:

    I loan you my copy of Pride and Prejudice. A few weeks later, the book comes up in conversation. You haven’t read the book, but you don’t say so. Instead, you say it was a very nice book. Very interesting.

    Am I to conclude that you are merely complimenting my thoughtfulness in the loan, and remarking on the interesting quality of my taste in literature?

    Or is it more likely that you mean to mislead me about having read the book, for whatever reason?

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  84. How many of you live in the republic of mad king Jerry brown, a place William Goldman would have had a hard time conjuring up, perspective people.

    narciso (d1f714)

  85. Liars defending liars. This is how Trump has harmed the conservative movement, and our nation’s soul. Call it what it is and be a man or woman about this.

    Unlike Bush’s “abandoned the free market, to save the free market” proclamation. The Conservative moment and the Nation’s soul rejoiced when he did that.

    BuDuh (eab7a4)

  86. I loan you my copy of Pride and Prejudice. A few weeks later, the book comes up in conversation. You haven’t read the book, but you don’t say so. Instead, you say it was a very nice book. Very interesting.

    Do we also know whether or not 66 met with the most influential person within Jane Austen’s circle, when she authored Pride and Prejudice?

    That would make things interesting.

    BuDuh (eab7a4)

  87. I loan you my copy of Pride and Prejudice. A few weeks later, the book comes up in conversation. You haven’t read the book, but you don’t say so. Instead, you say it was a very nice book. Very interesting.

    Am I to conclude that you are merely complimenting my thoughtfulness in the loan, and remarking on the interesting quality of my taste in literature?

    Or is it more likely that you mean to mislead me about having read the book, for whatever reason?

    While I applaud you for making the effort, this is the sort of comment I now find it unproductive to make. Everything you say is true and your point is unassailable — and if you can argue such simple points in the face of ostensible incomprehension without raising your own blood pressure, more power to you. But I advise you not to continue if it upsets you, as it does me. Ultimately, you know in your heart that you will never get an acknowledgment that your point is correct, so if that’s what you seek, and you expect such an acknowledgment just because the point is so simple and obvious, you are bound to be disappointed.

    Patterico (361788)

  88. He was taunting the press, which isn’t really interested in the contents of hyung choi, suslov nor andropov never traveled to Washington they sent gromyko there for a quarter century.

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. Well, tehwexact wordss of the letter are not important. What’s important is teh tone.

    Trump must have been briefed on that letter. Is it conceivable that nobopdy looked at that letter?

    Trump also claimed he had deliberately not read that letter. (like it could affect his judgment?)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  90. “I haven’t seen the letter yet. I purposely didn’t open the letter. I haven’t opened it.”

    Certainly Trump loves trolling the press. It’s unfortunate that it has to be with regards to nuclear proliferation and rogue regimes. On one hand mightn’t the letter just contain more North Korea propaganda and lies? On the other, wouldn’t any personal correspondence require quick and thorough analysis? Is it that Trump saw no urgency in such a communique or was it that he delegates actually knowing something about North Korea to someone else…and will wait to be told what to think about it? Either way, many will continue to see in Trump what they need to see…he is truly a Rorschach President

    AJ_Liberty (165d19)

  91. Same old, same old. How many times must a man turn his head, and pretend that he just doesn’t see?

    ropelight (31070c)

  92. In that guest he’ll be a roundtable guest on MSNBC as it was Vladimir posner or how they slobbered over ahmadinejad at Columbia some years back.

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. It’s dementia, folks. As in Alzheimer’s. His father had it, too. His lickspittles, in the White House and in Congress, will cover for him until after the midterms. Then, hopefully, someone will have the courage to invoke the 25th Amendment.

    nk (c51167)

  94. The same press who forgot what they said last Friday, is there mass senility.

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. You could say, that in going easy right now in sanctions, Trmp is working on the idea that , since the ultimate U.S. goal is prosperity for North Korea is North Korea completely gets rid of the nukes, it would counterproductive to intensify them now, since a economic decline happens much faster than a rise.

    Or it could be just simply that he’s trying to put Kim Jong Un a good mood.

    The prosperity actually matters, not for most people in North Korea, whom they don’t care a bit about, but for those people at high levels in charge of security. In the past when luxury goods and even ordinary goods have been in extremely short supply in North Korea, only members of the ruiling family got to enjoy them.

    He may know what happened to some early Roman Emperors who inherited rulership and as well as coming very close to setting themselves up as gods. He has to be wary of his Praetorian Guard, even though he’s already purged them.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  96. @65. Yes, Kim’s got that card up his sleeve; the vessel is still on display in NorK. Looking forward to the grand gesture when he plays it by gifting The Donald and returning our own ship they stole 50 years ago. Trump will crow; Kim will purr… he does play this game well.
    ____

    @70. He may have clicked open fresh files for Mueller’s eyes, too.

    @74. The key to the food locker will do.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  97. I mean Kim Jong Un has to be wary. He probably considers his rulership much more fragile than many outsidrs do.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  98. It’s been fun watching the same predictable trolls try to explain that obvious lying isn’t lying at all because of some bizarre point.

    NK has a point. Trump’s inability to function mentally is severe in this case. Is pathological dishonesty a mental illness? I guess that’s a question for his cabinet to answer. I wonder how Sessions would vote?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  99. “And for those saying that this is a sign of how far we’ve fallen, well, yes, but not necessarily the way they mean. People were talking about impeaching Trump before the election results were official. That fact tells us less about Trump than about the people who hate him.

    Trump, as I keep saying, is a symptom of how rottenly dysfunctional our sorry political class is. Take away Trump and they’re just as awful and destructive. He just brings their awfulness to the fore, where it’s no longer ignorable. Now they’re willing to play with fire, risking the future of the polity over little more than hurt feelings, in a way that would have been unthinkable not long ago.”

    —- Glenn Reynolds

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. That goes for NeverTrump humps, as well

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. They forgot richman lied to them bigly, as well as the anytime inspections as part of the Iran deal.

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. With NK being rather Oriental and somewhat ignorant of the rest of the World.

    Pffft…

    Syria’s Bashar al-Assad considers trip to meet Kim Jong Un in North Korea

    SEOUL — Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has expressed interest in traveling to North Korea to meet Kim Jong Un, North Korean media reported Sunday, adding another layer of possible intrigue onto the planning for next week’s summit between President Trump and the North Korean leader. – washingtonpost.com

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. 102.You can never get rid of them…

    No, you can’t; they’re a plague upon the land:

    ronaldreaganlegacyproject.org

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  104. People were talking about impeaching Trump before the election results were official.

    I guess actual accountability is something the GOP establishment is extremely sensitive about, but only in for strictly partisan reasons.

    Of course we were considering impeaching a man who brags about groping women, lies about the color of the sky, and we know now ran a campaign with some level of involvement with our nation’s enemies. I think it’s amusing Reynolds wasn’t concerned with Trump’s birther conspiracy theories, and those efforts absolutely involved talk about impeachment for years.

    But once again Haiku mischaracterizes and deflects. Every single thread where his party looks awful, it’s time for copypasta and blame and fear.

    Did Trump lie about this stupid letter? Yep. End of story. No matter how much Professor Glenn Harlan Reynolds Esq is upset that America elected a liar to the presidency, the fact is that we did elect a liar to the presidency and Glenn is cagey about defending lying liars who lie about lying. That people have a problem with Trump is obvious and will always be the response to Trump doing something that creates the problem. The buck stops with the liar though, not with the people saying liars shouldn’t be president. Remember how many times a Republican said Bill Clinton should not be president, solely for lying to the American people? This happened millions of times. Did Glenn Reynolds complain that this was wrong even one time?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  105. Why can’t any of the Never Trumpers quote the lie? Trump never said he read it Trump characterized what it said. Assuming the letter was written in Korean Trump wouldn’t be able to read it anyways. He is able though, based on what the NK director told him, to say what it contains.

    They lie about what Trump says and lie about him not reading, the only lies I have seen today are from the never Trumpers.

    Nate Ogden (223c65)

  106. President Trump is doing better diplomacy on North Korea than any president in our lifetimes!

    (including trashy-ass soldier-maiming bush the lesser) (not his lecherous trashy war hero daddy)

    of course President Trump inherited a corrupt sleazy joke of a mattis military what isn’t capable of confronting a robust shipping lane much less things that fire back

    so he’s gotta go with the diplomacy for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  107. you know who *really* sucks butt-nuggets at diplomacy is public toilet starbucks

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  108. The Colonel quotes Instapundit as saying:

    Trump, as I keep saying, is a symptom of how rottenly dysfunctional our sorry political class is. Take away Trump and they’re just as awful and destructive.

    And then goes on to say for himself:

    That goes for NeverTrump humps, as well

    These two comments, back to back, should make two things perfectly clear to the dispassionate observer: first, that Instapundit is correct, but only imperfectly; and second, that he could have been perfectly correct if only he had taken out “political class” and substituted “citizenry.”

    Yes, that’s an indictment of me as well.

    With that, I go back to lurking. Because Patterico at #87 is right. If I were doing this to win agreement, it would be a waste of my time. And even though I’m not, I’ve got a Sunday evening…and for that matter, a life…that has no space to spare at the moment for happyfeet, narciso, random viking, ropelight, BuDuh, ThOR, or the Colonel.

    (Sorry to those disagreeable commenters I forgot…but in my defense, there’s just an acre of you fellas, isn’t there?)

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  109. Did Glenn Reynolds complain that this was wrong even one time?

    Did Reynolds ever consider casting a vote for Hillary Clinton? Doubtful… so in that he joins the rest of sane America.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  110. @108. Try the decaf, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. Have another cosmopolitan as you lurk, dear…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. Well said, Demosthenes.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  113. The Colonel quotes Instapundit as saying: Trump, as I keep saying, is a symptom…

    actually that’s more just Ed Driscoll talking, given that the quote is a year old now

    I’m not sure but that Mr. Instapundit hasn’t reappraised President Trump much more favorably since then

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. Am I “disagreable,” Demosthenes, because I asked a question that was relevant to your analogy, that, if answered, completely dismantles your analogy?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  115. @112

    Don’t mind if I do.

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  116. @ 115

    No, don’t be silly. You couldn’t be disagreeable for doing something you failed to do.

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  117. Heh. That’s just the clip I had in mind, actually.

    I mean, I think you meant to insult me, but I’m actually flattered that you knew what I was going for.

    Okay, bye…

    Demosthenes (7fae81)

  118. 117

    LOL!

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  119. 119… not at all, dearie, just meant to give you a chuckle as you turn back to your knitting. TTFN…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. Trashy FBI Agent Negligent Discharge or Shoot that Funky DJ Wite Boi

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  121. 102.You can never get rid of them…

    No, you can’t; they’re a plague upon the land:

    ronaldreaganlegacyproject.org

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 6/3/2018 @ 2:12 pm

    Currently there’s a Mongol exhibit at the Reagan Library.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  122. It’s dementia, folks. As in Alzheimer’s. His father had it, too. His lickspittles, in the White House and in Congress, will cover for him until after the midterms. Then, hopefully, someone will have the courage to invoke the 25th Amendment.

    nk (c51167) — 6/3/2018 @ 1:27 pm

    It could be sleep deprivation.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  123. Another CNN “too good not to use”… just helpin’ out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_URk6U0CQ

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  124. And yet he’s still president

    EPWJ (134698)

  125. Letter was read btw

    EPWJ (134698)

  126. it’s not just that he’s still president it’s how fabulous he’s doing at it

    he’s a superstar!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  127. 122… teh old Bustin’ a move/Bustin’ a Cap combo trick!

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  128. And yet he’s still president

    And doing more for America rather than the other 195 or whatever other countries on the globe than any president since Reagan.

    I know, such an observation to “conservatives” is probably racist and xenophobic these days, but hey, we still all believe in the bill of rights around here, right?

    (sad that I have to ask)

    the Bas (ab264c)

  129. School shooting goes unremarked:

    SPOTSYLVANIA COURTHOUSE, VA — A dog owner is alleging an off-duty ATF agent shot and killed his mastiff puppy during a scuffle in a Spotsylvania County middle school, reports say. Vance Gibbs said he regularly brings his dogs to the large field at Ni River Middle school, but this time, his outing had a tragic ending, FOX5 reported.

    Gibbs, alongside his four puppies and three adult mastiffs, were exercising and playing in the field Tuesday night when an unleashed golden retriever ran up to them. His dogs, who were leashed but not being held by Gibbs, ran after the retriever.

    The dogs began to fight, and Gibbs jumped in between them in an effort to break it up, he told Patch.

    That’s when the retriever’s owner, a man alleged to be an off-duty ATF agent, pulled out his service pistol and fired it twice into the ground in an apparent attempt to scare the dogs and stop the fight. A third shot hit Ari in the side, Gibbs said, and she died minutes later.

    Only government agents should be trusted with guns Patch.com

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  130. such an observation to “conservatives” is probably racist and xenophobic

    You’re paranoid and hysterical. Calm down, maybe switch to decaf. There’s nothing racist about your claim Trump has done more for America than any other president, but it’s obviously false. He’s clearly inferior to actually all previous presidents when it comes to debt. We don’t have the rights we used to have. And he lies to the American people day in and day out, corroding our trust in our institutions, much as Steve Bannon intended. He’s harmed our nation considerably and we’ll be paying for Trump’s mistakes for a generation or more, same as with Jimmy Carter.

    That (R) next to Trump’s name doesn’t mean anything. Hell, it’s the 29th anniversary of the Tienanmen Square massacre. Ronald Reagan wasn’t a coward about calling these acts of barbarism evil, but Trump actually praises the violence used to promote communist dictators. How is he helping America’s interests?

    But yeah, he’s still the president, which is of course EPWJ’s way of being obnoxious. When your best argument in support of a president is that it’s frustrating that he’s in office, that’s a weak hand. that’s the hand of an entitled child.

    Only thanks to America’s love of the rule of law is Trump permitted to set foot on federal property. Most of American voters did not want him to be our president. He will always have that asterisk next to his name, and only though an amazing performance could he ever overcome that. Unfortunately, he chooses instead to lie about stupid stuff, day in and day out.

    You couldn’t get a job as a lawyer, cop, or teacher if you had a record like Trump’s. “Ordinary” Americans go through their lives being better people.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  131. Yet he’s still president

    EPWJ (134698)

  132. And yet the wests policymakers explicitly acted with blithe ignorance of tien anmen square.

    narciso (d1f714)

  133. So was Jimmy Carter.

    nk (52e6bb)

  134. How many casualties under the colonels, Pinochet el , the difference were those were,nominally our allies.

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. This fellow knows what the NYT is all about…

    “The German socialist August Bebel once said that anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools, but it’s also the conservatism of fools.

    So here comes the New York Times with “Motherhood is Hitler” — using a handful of Internet extremists to smear all defenders of the traditional family as Nazis — but what else are we to expect? This should be interpreted as evidence of desperation and despair on the Left.

    The defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016, and the subsequent policy successes of the Trump administration, have caused a panic in the degenerate intelligentsia. Leftists in academia and the media have taken off the mask, revealing themselves as totalitarians, who do not recognize the legitimacy of any opposition to the “progressive” agenda.

    What the Left would like to do is to delegitimize every possible source of opposition to their cultural hegemony. One way to do this, of course, is to attach a stigma of Nazism or “white supremacy” to anyone who rejects what Thomas Sowell has called The Vision of the Anointed. Conservatives must resist this effort, by refusing to play by the rules that the Left wants to impose on political discourse. If the Left is able to dictate the rules, they guarantee that they will win the game. They know that there actually are neo-Nazis over there in the shadows, but we know this, too. Knowing that the Left will always use this kind of guilt-by-association smear against us, conservatives should prepare in advance to deal with these attacks. Don’t let yourself get caught in a situation where you panic, become defensive, and discredit yourself with absurd apologies.

    It’s 2018. Everybody is now “literally Hitler.” And if everybody is Hitler, then nobody is Hitler. Therefore, relax. You haven’t lost your mind. The world has gone crazy, and sanity is now a hate crime.”

    http://theothermccain.com/2018/06/03/ny-times-motherhood-is-hitler/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  136. Dustin needs a nice quiet room, with ocean wave music, pacifier, and safe space tent

    EPWJ (134698)

  137. I suppose America has gotten her hands dirty, out of necessity’s sake. Sometimes that proved unwise, but at least I understand the concept.

    Trump’s praise of evil dictatorships rolling tanks over free speech had no benefit. He likes grandiose power over peasants as much as he likes lying to the American people. This is not even a controversial statement. Our president really is a crap person in every respect. Even his feet are riddled with bone spurs apparently. Just a low quality guy, and that’s why his fans resort to obnoxious arguments. It’s difficult for a good person to understand Trump’s fans.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  138. EPWJ, say what you will about me. You don’t exactly have a good reputation. You are mad that Trump got criticized so I’m not sure how I’m the one who needs the safe space. I think that’s more of the macho ‘cuck’ kind of obnoxious comment Trump’s weirdo fans say when they are busy carrying water for the dumb lie of the day.

    There is no politician I’m going to carry water for. You’re ready to get on your knees and worship any establishment republican who comes along. Hell, you liked Dewhurst. Like I say, reputation ain’t so great.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  139. Yes, yes, yes, Hitler was Chancellor when he blew his brains out. Thank you, Haiku!

    nk (52e6bb)

  140. In Dustin’s eyes, there is no difference between the left and the right, so he does what he can to mischaracterize, propagate half-truths in an attempt to discredit the right

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  141. Tell us the policy difference in treating China as a normal nation in stead,of a scocflaw for what it does not only in Tibet and east tirkestan, but what it enables in Sudan Iran qatAr through the partnership with oredoo, ravine burma?

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. In Dustin’s eyes, there is no difference between the left and the right, so he does what he can to mischaracterize, propagate half-truths in an attempt to discredit the right

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/3/2018 @ 6:34 pm

    I’m a pretty consistent conservative, and my criticisms of Trump’s high spending and broken promises on Obamacare are obviously conservative in nature. But you are a partisan trying to deflect from Trump lying about reading a dumb letter, so you have to use the three same tricks.

    1) insults
    2) tons of copypasta off topic (look at this and any thread)
    3) projection (the mischaracterization thing)

    You’re the one who lied about leaving sockpuppet racist comments a few years ago, not me. I guess the mods calling you out for that childish behavior still burns you up a bit.

    But when I say I see little difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, a guy who repeatedly donated to Hillary Clinton and praised her many times, it is not because there’s no different between left and right. It’s because there’s no difference between left and left.

    That’s as poor a mischaracterization as this blog has ever seen. Like I said, projection.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  143. When Clinton through lorL space gifted China with precision targeting equipment was that , at the time William Perry formerly of Albrecht and quist had been in partnership with costind Chinese darpa

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. Good people do what they can to push back against the leftist juggernaut. They don’t do what they can to conflate the right with the people who want to continue the downhill slide.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  145. Tell us the policy difference in treating China as a normal nation in stead,of a scocflaw for what it does not only in Tibet and east tirkestan, but what it enables in Sudan Iran qatAr through the partnership with oredoo, ravine burma?

    narciso

    This was difficult to understand, but my criticism of Trump is that he specifically praised the actual massacre of civilian protesters known as the Tienanmen Square as a positive thing, because he respects the show of strength. I do not see this as treating China well, because China is the people mistreated by this government.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  146. Dustin,

    You mad bro?

    EPWJ (134698)

  147. Yes he said that as a,business, we have done that for four administrations see the difference

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. Dustin’s a good guy, just losing his Schiff over trump, he’s good people.

    EPWJ (134698)

  149. There’s reality – e.g. how Lowry described Trump in the column linked yesterday that highlighted accomplishments and interpreted the sea-change in the way things are getting done, and there are people like Dustin who wallow in their hatred of the guy who won the last election.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  150. Like he did over christine O’Donnell, the proxima midnight of Delaware, the pretext for losing the Senate in 2010, did anyone win that seat in 2016, even came close?

    narciso (d1f714)

  151. He lost his schiff many moons ago.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  152. 6 years to go

    Brace yourselves

    EPWJ (134698)

  153. That’s a long time to be sans-mojo, filled with hatred, and leaking bile…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  154. Good people do what they can to push back against the leftist juggernaut. They don’t do what they can to conflate the right with the people who want to continue the downhill slide.

    Colonel Haiku

    No, this is moral confusion. Good and evil are not always neatly contained in politics. Trump lied about this and many other things. Some big things, some small things. Lying is morally wrong. Lying violates one of the Ten Commandments. If you have a problem with my view, take it up with God next Sunday. Otherwise, admit you are so consumed by politics you have lost your moral compass.

    When I criticize Trump for his praise of Hillary, or copying her foreign policy and spending plans, I’m not making it up. But you’re the kind of troll who knows what you’re saying is extra special wrong, and hope that being extra special wrong will get you more attention, and deflect from the topic of the post: Trump is on video lying about something again because Trump lies to the American people all the time. If it were Team D lying like this, you would care, but because it is Team R, you only care about shutting the comments down.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  155. “You’re the one who lied about leaving sockpuppet racist comments a few years ago, not me. I guess the mods calling you out for that childish behavior still burns you up a bit.“

    I apologized for the “prawn of Arab loins” comment, and that wasn’t good enough for you, apparently due to the way you were raised. But you will always have that to cling to and fuel your mincing whine.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  156. And yet he is reversing many of Obama’s criminally devised policies not all by a,long shot, the education is no longer the star chamber facilitator, there is no longer a war on coal, the revolutionary guard doesn’t get a blank check.

    narciso (d1f714)

  157. you have to obey all the 10 commanders and that means loving thy Trump as thy love yourself Mr. Dustin

    i know i sure do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  158. It was very wrong for me to say that. And I said that, said it again and am saying it now. So the balls in your court.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  159. Sending John hintsman as ambassador to moscow,seems a little cruel like when they sent laroquettw to the north pole at the end of stripes.

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. I wonder if Trump can be trusted when he says the apparent collusion between his campaign and the Russian government was a misunderstanding. I mean, he lies about reading a letter, so I guess maybe I can’t trust him on something important. Also Trump has tried to interfere with the investigation many times, and his trolly fans spread disinfo about the investigation a lot. One might come to the conclusion that all the little lies actually add up to a real problem for Trump.

    For some reason, Trump’s lawyers are now testing the waters for Trump pardoning himself. Yeah, Haiku, keep preaching from the high horse about right and wrong being right vs left as your president pardons himself. Good luck with that.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  161. That’s what I thought.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  162. Russia’s just a scary story Mitt Romney likes to tell little boys to make them snuggle

    and take off their pants

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  163. I don’t wonder, I’ve seen at least two oligarchs have lost 6 billion, in a span of a month, another had his prize merc outfit blown to bits, at least two Syrian command posts have been heavily reconditioned

    narciso (d1f714)

  164. Col,

    6 more years

    I hope they survive

    But people treated Dustin horribly, really horribly

    Just don’t rise to it, he’s upset by trump, very upset, so are many.

    There’s no upside to pointing to the scoreboard or to their high school angst David Hogg level rhetoric

    EPWJ (134698)

  165. you have to obey all the 10 commanders and that means loving thy Trump as thy love yourself Mr. Dustin

    Well here’s the list I am familiar with.

    I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any gods before me.
    You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.
    You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
    Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
    Honor your father and your mother.
    You shall not murder.
    You shall not commit adultery.
    You shall not steal.
    You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
    You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, wife, or property.

    Haiku obviously is guilty of violating the first. He’s conflated support for ‘the right’ which he really interprets as a political party, to mean doing good, and conflates criticizing his party with doing wrong. That’s having another god.
    Trump has praised his fans for supporting him should he murder someone in the streets.
    He’s also committed adultery numerous times.
    He is a thief, having reneged on many deals, settled many acts of fraud.
    He has offered false testimony so many times, ranging from how he responded to his first wife’s accusation of forcible rape to so many other acts, such as the content of this post. He famously lied about almost every Republican he ran against, ranging from comparing Ben Carson to a child molester to suggesting Ted Cruz’s dad assassinated a US President.
    I think it’s fair to say Trump also coveted his neighbor’s house, because he used political connections to eminent domain an old lady out of hers. He also of course has coveted the many wives he has groped or made advances towards.

    Love one another is a New Testament thing, and I do indeed think this the most important commandment, however I can’t pretend our president isn’t corrupt, and I don’t think that would be loving to hundreds of millions of Americans who would lose their jobs for being dishonest at work.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  166. Sure an awful lot of great people – people who have been at the forefront of conservative opinion for a long time – that would differ with your assessment, Dustin. But don’t let that stop you, they’re wrong and you are righteous.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. 6 years go by lickety-split quick like a bunny when your heart’s filled with love for your president

    when your heart’s filled with love for President Trump

    6 years – oh such elation!

    6 years and one day – oh such despair!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  168. Putin sees himself as a czar, he needs to be reminded of the pasting Nicholas 1st received in the Crimea, had Palmerston been in the government it would have been swifter. Now how much further do you want to go, all out war with eissia?

    narciso (d1f714)

  169. President Trump is NOT corrupt Mr. Dustin we would know if he were cause Herr Mueller would smite him with his iron cross of nazi justice!

    but Herr Mueller smiteth not

    curious, no?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  170. Go Warriors!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  171. No we seem him as a useful instrument, the other party wants you to worship the state, wants the state to be your family, wants to own you body and soul.

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. President Trump is NOT corrupt Mr. Dustin

    Is someone impersonating him in the imagery above? Is he not openly musing today about giving himself a pardon?

    Case closed.

    I can’t speak for Mueller, the guy you compare to a mass murdering regime of Nazis because he’s simply investigating a credible issue of corruption. Albeit you’re (hopefully) satirizing the Haikus of the world and I love it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  173. 174… most folks get it, some don’t, narciso. All we can do is pray they regain their sanity.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  174. i thought it was Mr. Rudy doing musings about pardons

    he muses about everything

    he’s very musey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  175. Go Warriors!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/3/2018 @ 7:15 pm

    I take it that’s not a movie reference?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  176. Steph Curry is out of control!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  177. i thought it was Mr. Rudy doing musings about pardons

    Mr Rudy being Trump’s lawyer. But this has been an issue Trump has been considering for quite a while.

    Trump has exposed certain flaws in our system of government, and it’s very much time to eliminate the entire concept of a Presidency as an independent executive branch. Time to go to some form of parliament system, and it would also be good to bust up the two party system.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  178. 173, yes indeed, and is my excuse for playing the best of Too $hort.

    urbanleftbehind (b23bbe)

  179. “You couldn’t get a job as a lawyer, cop, or teacher if you had a record like Trump’s. “Ordinary” Americans go through their lives being better people.”

    Yeah, with a record like Trump’s you’d be much more likely to get a role as judge, police commissioner, or school principal/superintendent. And probably do a much better job, because you expected concrete results rather than slavish adherence to a process generally set by unscrupulous people above you and mediocrities around you.

    Tellurian (f03292)

  180. Guy is an incredible shooter!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  181. Now, for those who have understanding, part of the reason that were ostensibly free mArket policies in the 90s, lost credibility, was how they were managed with criminal incompetence in Russia, in Bolivia and Venezuela to consider three examples, Larry summers was a party to the first, Sachs to the second, shock therapy is not much better with economies as is it with people, in the last example cap cor short, ran promising the moon and the stars, when he changed
    Horses he triggered a caracazo, this is how you got chaveZ

    narciso (d1f714)

  182. i don’t like parliamentary i like President Trump

    he’s the sunbeam what earthward bends whence the dank clouds of food stamp part

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  183. 9 3-pointers… he’s on fire 🔥

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  184. Of those, Poland came out reasonably intact, they had a nominal ex leftist who pursued orthodox policies

    narciso (d1f714)

  185. @123. Hair dyes come July, eh, PP.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  186. @177. No heels today for Rudy; flats make for happyfeet, happyfeet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  187. 184… interesting, narciso. I’ve wondered how a guy like Chavez got the support he appeared to have.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  188. It would be a better use of Rudy’s time to talk to galifanikis fern, not much more, but there is no purpose to f chuck Todd.

    narciso (d1f714)

  189. The coup came two years later, among his assiciateswas cabello, the Noriega like head of the sun cartels, he said he did in the name of restoring the safety net,

    narciso (d1f714)

  190. Now in the interim 35 years, Venezuela was flooded with Cuban educators and doctors who served as regime propagandist, you know who refined this practice bill Ayres.

    narciso (d1f714)

  191. @93/@98.

    Symptoms

    Dementia symptoms vary depending on the cause, but common signs and symptoms include:

    Cognitive changes

    •Memory loss, which is usually noticed by a spouse or someone else
    •Difficulty communicating or finding words
    •Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
    •Difficulty handling complex tasks
    •Difficulty with planning and organizing
    •Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
    •Confusion and disorientation

    Psychological changes

    •Personality changes
    •Depression
    •Anxiety
    •Inappropriate behavior
    •Paranoia
    •Agitation
    •Hallucinations

    – source, mayoclinic.org

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  192. @140: Trump’s praise of evil dictatorships rolling tanks over free speech…

    An outright lie from Dustin.

    There might be truth to it if, say, Trump layed a wreath at the graves of Chinese Red Army soldiers.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/06/world/europe/reagan-joins-kohl-in-brief-memorial-at-bitburg-graves.html

    random viking (6a54c2)

  193. a rare piece in the basilisk worth noting:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-cuba-helped-make-venezuela-a-mafia-state

    narciso (d1f714)

  194. What is Giuliani doing, does anybody know?
    1. Does he know that pardons are for people who have committed crimes and they have to accept the pardon? Is he admitting that Trump has committed a crime?

    2. Did he actually say that Trump could have shot Comey and gotten away with it (presumably by pardoning himself)?

    3. Is he more demented than Trump?

    nk (52e6bb)

  195. No he didn’t, but remember the fern, its hard to be more reasonable than this ridiculous snipe hunt, ask Stephen hatfill how reasonable Mueller is, of course rosenstein is his own conundrum of conflict.

    narciso (d1f714)

  196. Time to go to some form of parliament system,

    Ah, a true conservative.

    Dustin is quite mad.

    the Bas (ab264c)

  197. Remember this next time our host sticks up for the quite mad Dustin.

    the Bas (ab264c)

  198. “Now in the interim 35 years, Venezuela was flooded with Cuban educators and doctors who served as regime propagandist, you know who refined this practice bill Ayres.”

    The qualified Cubans went to America, keep in mind Communist countries can produce perfectly good debased degrees and the debased people to hold them.

    Tellurian (f03292)

  199. But, given the public evidence of Trump’s personality, it is far more likely that he decided to brag about the contents of the letter he had not read, and subsequently revealed his braggadocio by answering a question honestly that had caught him off-guard.

    In common parlance, this is known as “getting caught in a lie.”

    This comment is so typical. The maker probably doesn’t even realize he’s making up a resentment out of empty air, then damning Trump for his fantasy.

    In common parlance, this is known as “making sh1t up.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  200. Shorter explanation of the anti-Trump mania:

    The cool kids all say Trump has cooties.
    I want to hang with the cool kids.
    So, Trump has cooties.

    Nothing has really changed since 2nd grade for some folks.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  201. @197: More outright lies by the anti-Trump crowd.

    Exact Rudy quote:
    “He has no intention of pardoning himself, but that doesn’t say he can’t.”

    “That’s what the Constitution says, and if you want to change it, change it.”

    random viking (6a54c2)

  202. Isn’t it, sv date had Jeb as his,bete noire in the 00s,in the future home of politifacts, then he started writing labeled fiction,

    narciso (4a80de)

  203. 122, Pin: go for the Tomi Lahren holster commercial, stay for the Catherine Bell bikini gif 2 frames down.

    urbanleftbehind (b23bbe)

  204. 206… what is with these people, random Viking? Do they want to believe the worst about someone so bad that they hallucinate?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. Ah they have the first series of jag (back when the Serbs were the designated bad guy)

    narciso (d1f714)

  206. I mean if they’re not making rancid comments about Trump and his family they’re apparently sitting around chewing peyote buttons like they’re Skittles™

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  207. One often leads to the other, the rule is every outlet animal vegetable or mineral must despise 24/7 any aberration is the problem.

    narciso (d1f714)

  208. Rancid comment about Trump and his family, for your viewing pleasure.

    nk (52e6bb)

  209. That was an unbelievably stupid comment, but you probably took that for inspiration and ran with it, nk. Again, if memory serves…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  210. And if it wasn’t comments about Ivanka, it was comments about the First Lady.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  211. Whereas Maureen Dowd well she’s doing the full nina,Burleigh and leave it at that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  212. No, your memory doesn’t serve you. You are probably confusing me with Ann Coulter. But you are trying to put stuff like this down the memory hole by calling it fantasies.

    nk (52e6bb)

  213. As for the First Lady, I did not fantasize and photoshop the pictures of her nude in the arms of another nude woman with a whip and publish them in the New York Post.

    nk (52e6bb)

  214. Now you’ve peaked my interest and I’ll have to do some research, look for teh Trail of Misogyny…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  215. The NY Post photos were with a Teutonic type, but if your research digs up a photo of Melania with a *swarthy* lady, link it for me, please.

    nk (52e6bb)

  216. Yes she was a model nearly 20 years ago, that never happens on the pelopnesse does it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  217. A couple weeks ago, a Trump lover argued that Trump could not possibly have obstructed justice by firing Comey, because his job grants him authority to dismiss the FBI director at will.

    I pointed out that command of the military is another undisputed power of the presidency, and asked, if the “president can do anything in his authority with violating the law” theory permitted him to terminate Comey and his investigation with a drone strike:

    Trump does not need to justify or explain his decision to fire Comey. It was his prerogative as POTUS.

    The president is not above the law.

    The president is commander in chief of the military. Nobody disputes his absolute prerogative to command the military forces of the United States. Is it also your position that Trump could have ordered a drone strike on Comey’s home with legal impunity?

    I was insulted and called names for suggesting something so “dishonest”.

    And today, the president’s own attorney publicly advanced the very same claim:

    Giuliani: Trump could have shot Comey to end probe and not be prosecuted

    Always trust content from Juche Dave.

    Dave (445e97)

  218. *without violating the law

    Dave (445e97)

  219. 197.What is Giuliani doing, does anybody know?

    Looking for his neck.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  220. Dave — willfully disingenuous as usual.

    Guiliani’s argument is that the President cannot be prosecuted while he sits in office.

    If he were to shoot Comey, he would be impeached and removed from office. Once removed from office he can be prosecuted.

    Same answer for the drone strike.

    If he’s no prosecuted after impeachment, he can be prosecuted after he leaves office.

    You do understand – or don’t you — that when someone is convicted of a crime, it is the Court and not the Justice Department that imposes the judgment of conviction, and sentences the defendant.

    There is a separation of powers problem that would result if a President could be tried by a Court while still in office — preventing him from being able to faithfully execute the duties of his office for which he is the sole legitimate occupant since we elect only one President at a time.

    Now suppose what would happen if the President refused to resign, and the District Court judge ordered him held without bail pending trial.

    Now further consider what would happen if the House refused to impeach or the Senate failed to convict, convinced that the criminal case was politically inspired and without a factual basis??

    All you have to do is think through the consequences of an idiotic idea like a sitting President can be indicted.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  221. @197. What is Giuliani doing, does anybody know?

    He’s winging it; throwing chaff.

    “That’s our number six plane, the decoy plane. It’s trying to draw your fighters away from our other plane…carrying the bombs. It carries only defensive equipment. You don’t have to worry about it.” – General Bogan [Frank Overton] ‘Fail-Safe’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  222. @197. What is Giuliani doing, does anybody know?

    Trump should hire convicted bomber and perjurer, and vexatious pro se litigant, Brett Kimberlin as chief counsel.

    It seems likely that the quality of legal advice he’s receiving would improve, and Kimberlin has apparently always dreamed of being a Fed…

    On September 20, 1978, Kimberlin was then arrested by the FBI for an entirely different charge—possession and illegal use of Department of Defense insignia, illegal use of the Seal of the President of the United States, and impersonation of a federal officer, after the FBI received a tip from a print shop owner.

    :)

    Dave (445e97)

  223. — Theoretically, Trump could order airstrikes on Congress, and then pardon himself and the persons who carried them out, and it would be Constitutional.
    — But he’d be impeached!
    — By whom?

    nk (f740ea)

  224. I remember when Cruz (Ted, the Senator) pulled this 1L baiting on Holder (Eric, the Attorney General) using the example of a drone strike on a suspected terrorist having a coffee in a Starbucks inside the United States. Holder had to be polite to Cruz and pretend to take him seriously, but Giuliani does it because he loves to hear himself talk on camera I think.

    nk (f740ea)

  225. #204 There is of course, the two year old explanation for Trump and his supporters.

    1. Mommy says no.

    2. But I want to.

    3. You can’t make me!

    4. Waaaaahhhhh.

    5. Repeat cycle ad nauseam, until Mommy gives up.

    Problem is that a lot of the Resistance practices the same style of politics.

    Appalled (96665e)

  226. Except for George W Bush after 9/11, Trump is the most popular GOP president at this point in his presidency since World War Two: https://www.axios.com/trumps-500-day-coup-of-the-gop-conservatism-5f1f129d-22c3-4f53-b9f1-d957eb1ef05c.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  227. And it turns out Obama was focusing on a narrow triangle in the tribals, nowhere in Syria or north Africa but reasons.

    narciso (d1f714)

  228. Haiku:

    Your link actually says:

    P.S. Bruce Mehlman of Mehlman Castagnetti Rosen & Thomas points out that based on Gallup data, President Trump commands the second highest “own party” approval rating of any president at the 500 day mark since World War II, behind only President George W. Bush, after 9/11:

    So the self-declared GOP voter likes what Trump is serving up. Your link does not give us what other voters think of DJT.

    Appalled (96665e)

  229. Feel-free, appalled…

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  230. About 50% appalled overall,

    narciso (d1f714)

  231. I was insulted and called names for suggesting something so “dishonest”.

    And today, the president’s own attorney publicly advanced the very same claim:

    You’ll recall that I agreed with you that those calling you dishonest for that were wrong.

    Lawmakers have been prosecuted while in office. I’m not sure why the President would be different. In any event, I am not as sanguine as some that commission of a crime would lead to automatic impeachment. There is still the matter of what happens when he denies it. Does the right half of the party suddenly abandon its habit of defending him on literally any point now matter how flimsy the basis for a defense? What if Democrats and Big Media agree that he committed the crime? Won’t Republicans become their tools by agreeing?

    I can see a prosecutor indicting, and a jury of 12 convicting on evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and still having removal in the Senate based on polling. If there is a defense to be mounted, and there always is, a certain number of people will go along.

    Patterico (361788)

  232. If Trump shot Comey, he would likely be tried by a state court, I would imagine.

    If a large portion of the public decided OJ was innocent, the same could happen with Trump. Identity politics is a fearsome force.

    Patterico (361788)

  233. Dave and nk dreaming of their junta.

    NJRob (b00189)

  234. BTW, the President may be Commander-in-Chief, but the military may be the one department where he is least “unitary”. The Constitutional power to raise and support armies is in Congress, and he can hire and fire soldiers only as Congress allows him to. Moreover, Congress has passed a law that says that soldiers only have to obey lawful orders, so his power to say “goeth there” and “doeth that” is limited.

    nk (f740ea)

  235. “A newly-leaked January 29 memo from President Trump’s first legal team to special counsel Robert Mueller suggests the president believed fired national security adviser Michael Flynn was no longer under investigation when he famously asked FBI Director James Comey — by Comey’s account — to let the Flynn case go. With a wealth of previously-unreleased information about the Flynn affair, the memo also supports the contention that the FBI did not believe Flynn lied to the agents who questioned him in the Trump-Russia probe.

    The bureau interviewed Flynn on Jan. 24, 2017, about his transition conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. In March 2017, Comey told the House Intelligence Committee that the agents “saw nothing that indicated to them that [Flynn] knew he was lying to them.” Comey said the same thing to the Senate Judiciary Committee at around the same time; chairman Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, wrote recently that Comey “led us to believe … that the Justice Department was unlikely to prosecute [Flynn] for false statements made in that interview.”

    Now, with the Trump lawyers’ memo leaked to the New York Times, it seems clear that all the key players in the Flynn affair, including the president himself, were aware of the FBI’s assessment in real time. And the president’s knowledge — that the agents did not think Flynn lied, plus strong hints that the investigation was actually over — underlay Trump’s Feb. 14, 2017, statement to Comey that, “I hope you can see your way to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.” Trump’s lawyers argue that the president had no intention to obstruct an investigation he thought was finished.

    The leaked memo portrays a confused White House in the administration’s early days, trying to figure out what the Justice Department was up to with its interest in Flynn’s conversations with Kislyak.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-lawyers-reveal-previously-unknown-evidence-in-michael-flynn-case?platform=hootsuite

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  236. Update: as Glenn Reynolds notes, “If someone — Comey, McCabe, whoever — lied to Trump or his aides about what the FBI was investigating, that was every bit as much a False Statements Act violation as anything Flynn is accused of.”

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  237. If a large portion of the public decided OJ was innocent, the same could happen with Trump. Identity politics is a fearsome force.

    I’m sure the large portion of the population still clinging to the Trump collusion narrative has nothing to do with identity politics.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  238. All you have to do is think through the consequences of an idiotic idea like a sitting President can be indicted.

    Further, every President would get indicted somewhere. Democrats would get charged in Idaho, Republicans in California. There’s always something. Ham sandwiches abound.

    There are so many examples of immunity throughout the system that this one should not come as a surprise. Congress, prosecutors, police, etc. While they CAN be charged the bar is unusually high compared to you or me.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  239. Patterico–

    How many prosecutors have been charged for withholding exculpatory evidence? Some have done that, letting people rot in jail for decades as a result. Apparently they can’t even be sued. Nor can judges be sued for willfully wrong rulings that do the same thing. Immunity. Why? If it wasn’t for that, criminal defendants would make the prosecutors and judges spend all their time defending nuisance suits.

    Does ANYONE doubt that Trump would be sued 6 times a day by the folks that hate him? Let’s ask Governor Palin.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  240. our laughingstock justice system isn’t just hilarious it’s also profoundly corrupt

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  241. On the other hand, this shared trait isnt exactly comforting:

    <blockquote>It could be tempting to cut Lightfoot some rhetorical slack in her quest for the mayoralty. After all, the original Mayor Richard Daley got so routinely tongue-tied that his exasperated press secretary famously admonished reporters: “Don’t write what he says, write what he means.”

    Source: http://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2018/jun/01/lori-lightfoot/no-chicagoland-isnt-only-metro-area-losing-residen/

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  242. how about that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  243. pravdafacts, you can keep your doctor and your plan?

    narciso (d1f714)

  244. the shields aren’t working anymore:

    https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1003633911111536640

    narciso (d1f714)

  245. it’s not definitive, so they will still try to sue him out of existence,

    narciso (d1f714)

  246. Narciso, too bad you couldnt link a Mel Allen voice (NY Yankees, This Week In Baseball) recording to your #248

    The lunch line at Memories will look like the cast of characters at the Army depot trying to get out of Vietnam deployment.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  247. rip Robert Mandan,

    narciso (d1f714)

  248. Now he can piss off Richard Mulligan in the upstairs ranch.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  249. That’s good news, urbanleftbehind @ 246.

    nk (3276be)

  250. 236:

    Explain for me the solution to the practical difficulties surrounding an Article III court placing the Article I Executive in custody?

    What if the House refused to impeach?

    Do you really think the Constitution would countenences one branch of government holding another branch of government in custody and rendering it unable to execute the duties of office?

    And, who would hold the President in custody?

    You might want to check the organizational chart of DOJ.

    I’ll give you a hint — the Courts don’t run prisons or jails.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  251. 241 — If Mueller or Rosenstein lies to Trump now, its a 1001 violation.

    Chew on that.

    That’s why I’ve suggested that Trump should go into any meeting — and I would not call it an “interview”, I would call it a meeting — with Mueller intending to ask as many questions as he answers. Mueller, as an inferior Executive Officer, doesn’t have the authority to decline to answer.

    That’s why happens when a SC isn’t really “independent”.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  252. “President Trump, there is a call for you on line #3 – from Andrew Jackson.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  253. President Trump should have insisted they turn over a little plutonium or highly enriched uranium in exchange for the United States paying their hotel bill in Singapore.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  254. 257.

    He can do that, but what is his recourse if Mueller declines to answer? The recourse he’s not using now! Great.

    Or just relying on some abstract argument of Manafort diminishing his legal status as a prosecutor by not being subject to the administration. Please! That won’t matter in the court of public opinion or the Senate floor.

    I would just pass on the interview request. Better to draw the line. (If Mueller is really inferior, he can’t compel him to meetings or GJ or the like either.)

    Anonymous (d41cee)

  255. Mueller, not Manafort in para 2, above.

    Anonymous (d41cee)


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