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5/29/2018

Roseanne Cancelled Due to Racist Tweet

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:02 pm

Because I like quoting the New York Times to troll the trolls, here is…the New York Times:

Two months ago, Roseanne Barr was a star again.

Her sitcom “Roseanne” returned in March after a two-decade absence to enormous ratings on ABC. Network executives were celebrating their strategy of appealing to wider swaths of the country after Donald J. Trump’s surprising election win and the president himself called Ms. Barr to congratulate her on the show’s large audience.

But on Tuesday, that all came crashing down. ABC abruptly canceled “Roseanne” hours after Ms. Barr, the show’s star and co-creator, posted a racist tweet about Valerie Jarrett, an African-American woman who was a senior adviser to Barack Obama throughout his presidency and considered one of his most influential aides. Ms. Barr wrote if the “muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj.”

My guess is that some people will try to argue that this tweet is not racist, and that I am a New York Times tool for accepting their characterization of the tweet as racist. With any luck, we can have a 1000-comment thread where people recharacterize Barr’s tweet as, I don’t know, a comment about gun control because of Charlton Heston? You’re limited only by your own creativity.

Here’s the game. I declare the tweet racist because, well, it is. Because Barr likes Trump, you find some disingenuous way to defend it.

You might prefer a different game, since that one is kind of a loser for you. The truth is: whether a hit show should be cancelled over a tweet is another discussion. If defending the tweet doesn’t work, I recommend backtracking to that more solid ground. Find examples of racist Obama supporters making racist comments and keeping their positions, and all of a sudden you have something to be outraged about. The story is five hours old at least. I’m sure the fuel for your outrage is out there. All you have to do is go find it.

I, however, will not be doing that for you.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

182 Responses to “Roseanne Cancelled Due to Racist Tweet”

  1. Cue whining of some kind or other in 3…2…1…

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. 1. I didn’t watch it. I never intended to watch it. I found Roseanne Barr to be an insufferable execreable douchebag long before she took up with the Schlichterites. Now I feel only vinidicated. No whining here.

    Gryph (08c844)

  3. Meh now thought criminal Yardley Lennon,

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. So if anyone points out that the Times scruuued the pooch on the North Korea statement they surely are going to defend a racist tweet?

    The wheels are coming off – here’s hoping for a speedy recovery.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  5. Cue whining of some kind or other in 3…2…1…

    Aw, come on, Patterico! Now you put up this post, after I used up all my comments about Roseanne on the Portland thread?

    nk (dbc370)

  6. Charlie sheen is still burning through his 91 episode?? Here thanos.

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. In this instance I don’t think you are an NYT tool.
    Bask in that compliment while it lasts you despicably dastardly NeverTrumper you.

    steveg (a9dcab)

  8. Extra credit for mocking mention of the media double standard.

    The best example today (before Barr’s Show was canceled) was Andrea Mitchell asking Joy ‘homophobe’ Reid what a person had to tweet before they would be fired.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  9. The remarks are indefensible.

    Disney’s cherry-picking this incident with an unprecedented cancellation of a #1-rated series is orders of magnitude more craven, opportunistic, and perfidious than anything the vile vulgarian Barr ever did or said.

    A bit of insider knowledge…Keith Olbermann was loathed and despised by certain of Disney management when KO was on top of the world as a sports presenter. They could not stand dealing with him and saw him as petulant and phony as a $3 bill. He was also dangerous as he was an effective rabble (in this case, talent) rouser. And this is the guy they are bringing back!!! Oh, his twitter and NBC commentary baggage? That’s on top of the many bridges he torched prior to leaving Bristol the first time.

    Robert Iger was well aware of all of this, even though he had yet to assume the chairmanship of Disney at that time.

    Ed from SFV (b95465)

  10. As if they cared about that, they burn money like the joker in dark knight, they fire photon torpedoes into their lead property, marvel hasn’t been touched yet.

    narciso (d1f714)

  11. Well, it didn’t take long.

    Jarret (along with Al Sharpton) is blaming Trump for Barr’s tweet.

    “She placed the brunt of the blame on the White House for allowing racism to flourish.
    “The tone does start up at the top, and we like to look up to our President and feel as though he reflects the values of our country,” Jarrett said, sitting alongside Rev. Al Sharpton.

    Sharpton, however, said the Trump era has only emboldened people like Barr.“

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  12. Tom Arnold wanted to box Mr President Donald J Trump and he’s like 10th down in the credits of one particular NCIS NOLA episode so there’s that.

    Sorry mr narciso, I’m just now clearing up my DVR. I still have some Blacklist to catch up on as well.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  13. This was a cool-headed business decision by ABC. Valerie Jarrett is as closely associated with Barack Obama as any other person you care to name. 65,915,795 United States citizens above the age of 18 voted for Barack Obama in 2012. How many of them could ABC afford to alienate by keeping a show that was a shot in the dark to begin with? Roseanne was an ant picking a fight with a tank.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. A certain member of the Aryan race is gonna be just fine as long as she didn’t bring any centrifuges to 44’s basement.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  15. if she did this tweeter in the smelly old slut-queen’s burgeoningly fascist UK she’d have the cell next to Tommy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  16. Sarah shahi has a new show, on with Denis haysbert, on nbc.

    narciso (d1f714)

  17. “This was a cool-headed business decision by ABC.”

    Cmon – it was a despicable tweet by a woman who has offended conservatives most of her life. She offended everyone this time and she had to go.

    The real prize tho is Wanda Sykes, who in her comedy act wished that Rush Limbaugh’s kidneys would fail, was their voice of decency on this matter.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  18. harkin

    its so simple. No one used the word “impossible”. Nobody. So using the words like regular people, that would mean that a no one or a nobody cannot and does not exist. The NYT points to the existence of a person that did not use the word impossible. Common people who use common language know exactly what Trump is saying and also know the NYT was wrong and is now spinning.

    steveg (a9dcab)

  19. Funny we are not talking about him, hey he’s just a yin and victims he tried to call attention in hudderfoeld, beck they don’t matter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. Douglas Murray was on some BBC Radio program with a “progressive” Muslim cleric. The cleric said Mohammed took criticism incredibly well. DM pointed out to him that M had a lady poet murdered for making fun of him. It says so in their own religious text. The BBC made him take it out.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  21. Steve – best speak to our host on that. He has declared my input unserious, lol.

    I gave up after he refused to name the official who said it after almost 800 posts.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  22. Well if you’re going to be a stickler about that pin?

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. Was Roseanne aware that Jarrett is Black? Some people believe that Jarrett, who was born in Iran, is Iranian. Of course, she was born to Black American parents, making her a Black American herself. But, she is very light skinned.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett

    If all I knew of her ancestry was what I could deduce from that picture, I would not guess that she is Black. POC, probably, but not Black.

    That said, I have no idea what Roseanne knew about Jarrett’s race. If she didn’t know, maybe she thought that since it was ok to call Bush a chimp, it should be ok to call Jarrett an ape.

    BTW, that’s one thing that the Iranians do right. They realize that just because a couple of foreigners have a baby on their soil, that doesn’t mean the baby is an Iranian.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  24. I did learn who Wanda Sykes is today. Is this a gain or a loss? They do say that every new thing you learn helps stave off Alzheimer’s.

    nk (dbc370)

  25. “The BBC made him take it out.”

    A country where you can’t talk about child rape gangs and actually quote the Koran if it’s said in a negative way….

    And they wonder why Europe is going down the tubes.

    Btw – The Strange Death Of Europe Is a good read, but pretty depressing.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  26. She should know better, Jarrett was the wise vizier that guided glorious leaders every step toward fundamental transformation, where even if you want to at publix ‘ypi cannot

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. You cannot remain uninvolved.

    No that’s like injecting mad cow prions directly into your brainstem, I apoo

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. I apologize unreservedly, so let’s talk about Purdue pharmaceuticals an culling the herd.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. I only go there because they have good saltine crackers.

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. Hey, well, monkey see, monkey do.

    Fred Z (05d938)

  31. She might not even know she’s black like Clayton Bigsby

    Uncensored

    I ain’t lyin’

    Or Navin Johnson

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  32. Hey, well, monkey see, monkey do.

    So you think they’re right to blame Roseanne’s poo-flinging on Trump?

    nk (dbc370)

  33. A sad day, 565 years ago,

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. Meanwhile, not missing a beat, our detestable POTUS is nevertheless stoking the fires of racism by making more false claims such as using this phrase: “MS-13 lover Nancy Pelosi.”

    There is no low that this ruthless trash refuses to stoop to.

    Tillman (a95660)

  35. No, that right on point, when they resolve the quarrelsome people, you elect another in their place.

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. I’m getting an update from the 2018 Racial Draft.

    OMG, Val Jarrett has been drafted by “East Asians” of London, Sweet Issa!!!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  37. Meanwhile, not missing a beat, our detestable POTUS is nevertheless stoking the fires of racism by making more false claims such as using this phrase: “MS-13 lover Nancy Pelosi.”

    There is no low that this ruthless trash refuses to stoop to.

    Tillman (a95660) — 5/29/2018 @ 9:30 pm

    She would wash the dirt off their neck tattoos in a hot second.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  38. My guess is her next step is either Fox News, Republican politics or both.

    Was this an accident or was she bored with having to moderate her nonsense and decided to say stuff that either get her fired (martyrdom) or set a precedent for her to break through in a few weeks before they eventually had to fire her.

    My guess is that ABC didn’t fire her because this in itself is irreconcilable but because they can’t control what she would say next.

    Now that populist garbage is a proven vote winner we’ll see more of this from both sides of the political divide.

    Bob (cc86a4)

  39. I have never watched anything the woman has been in. Not because of politics, but because of disinterest. That being said, her tweet was not the worst ever made by a Hollywood celeb. It’s not even the worst SHE has made. Her tweet calling for bankers to be beheaded, for example.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  40. I’ve got on problem with condemnation of her comments, but IMO its really just “more of the same.” In fact, I’ve seen it reported (though I didn’t hit the link to look at the source) that this isn’t the first time she’s made reference to African-Americans and apes. She’s a pig, and a disgusting human being — and has been such for 3 decades. She’s no different now than she was when ABC put the show back into production.

    The only thing that has changed is that the show is an unexpected hit, and its a hit BECAUSE its quasi-pro Trump stance (overblown) has resonated with middle America, and shocked Hollywood into realizing that 2016 wasn’t a one-time shocker which was just a referendum on Hillary Clinton’s unworthiness to be POTUS.

    So, the opportunity was presented to them by Roseanne to kill off her show, and they seized it with glee.

    The sad part of it all is that in order to do so, ABC seems unconcerned about the 100+ people whose jobs were tied to the new hit, who had nothing to do with Roseanne’s comments, nearly all of whom probably find them as disgusting as most of America.

    Oh well, thank God for Donald Trump’s roaring economy!!!!!!! LOL.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  41. “no problem”

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  42. Steve – best speak to our host on that. He has declared my input unserious, lol.

    I gave up after he refused to name the official who said it after almost 800 posts.

    If you’re bringing that argument into this thread, it would be honest to tell people that I directed you to the comment that challenges the logical premise of your favored way of expressing the problem, and you predictably refused to engage.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  43. Like Larry wilmore’s full length rant at the white house correspondents dinner some years back, Valerie jartett was a malign presence but it had little to do with her
    ethnicity, but what she put in motion,

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. Tillman: There is no low that this ruthless trash refuses to stoop to.

    You mean the liberals?

    https://pics.me.me/louder-crowder-com-iberal-logic-tont-call-ms-13-animals-but-the-32966199.png

    harkin (9803a7)

  45. The wit and wisdom of Michelle brooks, the styling of Steven colbert

    http://powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/05/the-italian-crisis-update.php

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. “If you’re bringing that argument into this thread, it would be honest to tell people that I directed you to the comment that challenges the logical premise of your favored way of expressing the problem, and you predictably refused to engage.”

    lol – re-read your original post if you think I’m bringing that argument into this thread.

    “My guess is that some people will try to argue that this tweet is not racist, and that I am a New York Times tool for accepting their characterization of the tweet as racist. With any luck, we can have a 1000-comment thread where people recharacterize Barr’s tweet…..”

    You declare I refused to engage your word pretzel.

    I declare you refused to engage the Times’ fraud.

    Let it go.

    harkin (9803a7)

  47. So if anyone points out that the Times scruuued the pooch on the North Korea statement they surely are going to defend a racist tweet?

    — harkin

    Was Roseanne aware that Jarrett is Black? . . . If she didn’t know, maybe she thought that since it was ok to call Bush a chimp, it should be ok to call Jarrett an ape.

    — Anon Y. Mous

    LOL

    Patterico (115b1f)

  48. Nancy Pelosi claims to love and serve “El Salvador”

    El Salvador is the home of MS-13

    Checks out

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  49. Val Jarrett sounds like Tiger Woods. Blaquearyanasianamerican.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  50. Yawn. It was racist. Valerie Jarrett is a terrorist supporter. I don’t like either of them. I hope ABC goes broke with all their leftist virtue signalling.

    NJRob (3d5c48)

  51. Anyone who calls Roseanne a pig for calling ValJar Binks an ape can’t say jack squat for Trump calling MS-13 animals.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  52. And generally pigs are considered to be as smart or smarter than dogs so how much of an insult is it really?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  53. “LOL”

    Omg you got someone who defended a racist tweet by saying the person who tweeted might not have known it was racist.

    Declare VICTORY!!

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  54. LOL
    Patterico (115b1f)

    I didn’t defend her tweet. I asked if she knew Jarrett was Black. I assume that nobody would claim the tweet was racist if it was directed a non-Black Muslim.

    Or is that wrong? Is it ok to use the simian insult only against White people, or is it ok to use it against anyone who isn’t Black? What is the PC rule?

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  55. This pig farmer used to come into the COOP. His wife didn’t like the way his farm smelled.

    He told her,” It smells like money.”

    True story Tillman.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  56. Pigs maybe considered unclean animals but they don’t throw all the couch cushions on the floor with all the cigarette butts and whatnot.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  57. To be fair I’ve never heard of a single MS-13 suicide bombing.

    No, not one.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  58. It’s wrong mous because he says it’s wrong. Don’t apply what you think may be common sense or reason.

    Prepare for numerous word salad posts proving that Trump supporters (and also I guess anyone who criticized the NYTimes for fabricating statements) are willing to defend a racist tweet…..because, well I guess because Trump!

    Our host also seems to fail to realize that ONE newspaper scruued up the NK statement but that the Barr tweet was reported as racist by just about every news source out there.

    IOW his entire NYTimes rant at the beginning of this post is just ridiculous.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  59. Maybe not straight out “defend a racist tweet” but a lot of squirrels are running around chasing tu quoques.

    nk (dbc370)

  60. Never was ‘they live’ s, blank pages more prescient.

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. No, they were waiting to ditch the show, if the writers from tambors transparent and other influences didn’t sink it first.

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. Personally, I don’t care whether the tweet is racist. I care that Roseanne Barr compares with Valerie Jarrett the way, let’s say, Stormy Daniels compares with Donald Trump. No account trash opening their trash mouths against people who (whatever their faults or politics) are worth a million of them.

    nk (dbc370)

  63. Anyone who comes on this site with any kind of apology or sympathetic reference for MS-13 has NO IDEA what they are discussing.

    None.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  64. 41- “…….that this isn’t the first time she’s made reference to African-Americans and apes. She’s a pig, and a disgusting human being — and has been such for 3 decades. She’s no different now than she was when ABC put the show back into production.”
    __ _

    “I first would allow the guilty bankers to pay back anything over 100 million in personal wealth because I believe in a maximum wage of 100 million dollars,” she said. “If they’re unable to live on that amount then they should go to the reeducation camps, and if that doesn’t help, then be beheaded.”Roseanne Barr, 2011

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/10/03/roseanne-barr-guilty-wall-street-bankers-should-be-sent-to-reeducation-camps-or.html

    They had no problem with her advocating state-sanctioned murder…..lie with the dogs, live with the fleas.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  65. I was talking to my ex work wife Quanesha the other night. I needed to confirm that Haitians traditionally don’t name their kids till their fifth birthday. She said it was true. They called her “Pickney” which means child. The rational was that they didn’t want to waste a name on a child that might not live past four.

    It’s related to “Pickaninny” which has more racial overtones.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  66. Roseannes an idiot, stipulated, Jarret helped destroy institutions, topple allied goats as a policy maker, I don’t put it past her as the orchestratir of this grishenlo snipe huntm

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. MS-13, if given a chance, would make “Man Servants” out of the Crips, Bloods, and Latin Kings.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  68. No account trash opening their trash mouths against people who (whatever their faults or politics) are worth a million of them.
    nk (dbc370)

    Valarie Jarrett is worthwhile person in your estimation; a quality person?

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  69. Now if you say that her parents obviously wasted a name on a five year old Quanesha you are a racist POS, GFY.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  70. Quanesha beats Tri’Miracle six ways from Sunday.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  71. No, I take part of that back. I should care that the tweet is racist. Because it was within my lifetime that, in all of America and not only Mississippi, a white trash sow would have been considered superior to the black internationally-recognized lawyer daughter of two black internationally-recognized physicians.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. Valarie Jarrett is worthwhile person in your estimation; a quality person?

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438) — 5/29/2018 @ 10:22 pm

    A million times more than Roseanne Barr.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. Hell, Larry the Cable Guy is internationally recognized. Osama Bin Laden was internationally recognized.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  74. Val Jarrett isn’t much different from Hillary in that she latched her career onto a President she wasn’t sleeping with, presumably. Nobody would know who the hell they are without 42 and 44.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  75. If you love communism, then Valarie Jarrett is your gal.

    https://spectator.org/63484_barack-and-valeries-great-communist-party-marriage/

    Not that it makes much difference, but Jarrett’s mother was not a doctor, but a teacher. She had a masters in education.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  76. And more importantly, nobody would care.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  77. yes yes Jarrett is evil – she hates jews and wants to do genocide on them which is arguably worse than a racist tweet

    and Roseanne? she’s a good person you can tell by looking at Roseanne’s tweeter – she understands the significance of what’s happening with Tommy Robinson and used her platform to call attention to the plight not just of Tommy but of freedom in the west

    whereas vile and hateful skank Valerie Jarrett would be perfectly happy if Tommy got his ass knifed by some of her persian prison pals

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. speaking of evil chicago sluts this one is dead and how lovely is that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  79. My guess is that some people will try to argue that this tweet is not racist, and that I am a New York Times tool for accepting their characterization of the tweet as racist.

    So far no takers.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  80. Is it racist to note that Jarrett has a rat face? I mean really. Look at her face. She looks like a rat.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  81. “and Roseanne? she’s a good person”

    She’s crazy pal – a broken clock is right twice a day.

    she tweeted about Tommy Robinson but she also tweeted that 9/11 was an inside job and the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag operation. She wanted to behead Wall Street bankers.

    Those are just a few examples, she’s insane.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  82. The NY Times isn’t always wrong. They blew the whistle on Spygate.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  83. i’d argue that the sum total of racism what was contained in Mrs. Barr’s tweeter tweet was de minimus and largely notional

    it has no … how to say

    nobody was oppressed by Roseanne’s tweet

    and people what say they *were* traumatized by this tweet, these people are lying to you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  84. the therapy dogs have not been summoned you see

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. She’s crazy pal

    we never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy Mr. harkin

    i like Roseanne she has a good spirit

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  86. I was oppressed by Jarrett’s statement that this is a teachable moment. I hate it when the commies want to teach us stuff and the media jumps on board. It’s depressingly Soviet in its oppressiveness.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  87. i’m more alarmed at this vicious and inherently nazi cohort of people what like to utterly obliterate their fellow americans over a tweet

    they’re kin to the judge what jailed Tommy and to the smelly british slut-queen who says nothing

    hard little hate-peckers all around the circle jerk!

    just a vile vile sub-culture, this one comprised of these neurotic vapid and narcissistic americans what are triggered by tweets

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. So far no takers.

    True. It’s…kind of reassuring to see that wild illogic and hyperpartisan bullshit is not *always* employed in defense of Trump supporters the same way it is for Trump himself, or some of his crazier supporters like Roy Moore. I guess it doesn’t help Roseanne that she is hardly some Roy Moore style conservative.

    You can’t blame me for tensing up for such an eventuality after seeing the insane stuff people pulled out in defense of Trump and Moore. I wonder how it’s decided who gets the benefit of pretzel logic and who gets analyzed by Normal Person logic. Is there a committee that decides these things?

    Patterico (2184ae)

  89. Spoke too soon; just saw happyfeet’s rant.

    And Anon Y. Mous’s non defense is the kind of non defense that you might see from a defense attorney.

    Patterico (2184ae)

  90. Relax Patterico. Most of your followers are not jerks.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  91. 84 — the NYT transcribed a CYA disclosure on the part of various Obama DOJ and NatSec folks who know that their misdeeds are about to be exposed, and they wanted to get out ahead of the story with their self-interested justifications and rationalizations for turning back the clock 40 years on the question of investigating the political opposition in order to gain electoral advantage.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  92. “i like Roseanne she has a good spirit”

    I don’t like her, dislike her or hate her. I don’t know her.

    If you think her overall input is positive, we’ll just have to disagree.

    From what I’ve seen she’s a classless, shrill, delusional loon. She did a photo series for the far left wing Heeb magazine where she wore a Nazi uniform while baking ‘Burnt Jew’ cookies.

    If that works for you, raise your standards.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  93. 93. So true but I like to say the NY Times revealed Spygate only to piss off the libs.

    AZ Bob (9a6ada)

  94. House GOP Prepares To Consider Trump’s $15B Clawback

    this has the makings of another nice victory for our president, President Donald Trump

    it’s not a great deal of money but it would set an extraordinary precedent

    and a lot of your sleaziest virtue-signaling nevertrumpers are on board already

    GOP Sens. Mike Lee (UT), Ron Johnson (WI), Pat Toomey (PA), Joni Ernst (IA), David Perdue (GA), John Kennedy (LA), Rand Paul (KY), Jeff Flake (AZ) and Ben Sasse (NE) introduced the rescissions package in the upper chamber late last week, with supporters hoping it would be taken up in committee before the window for it to be discharged runs out.

    this is heartening i think maybe they’re starting to grow up a little

    John McCain’s absence helps a lot of course – he’s such a negative and toxic little man

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  95. If you think her overall input is positive, we’ll just have to disagree.

    it’s all relative do i think she’s more positive than Valerie Jarrett yes

    more positive than Joss Whedon yes

    more positive than Natalie Portman yes

    more positive than Jennifer Lawrence yes

    more positive than Summer Bishil no

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  96. And Anon Y. Mous’s non defense is the kind of non defense that you might see from a defense attorney.

    If Barr said she thought Jarrett was a Persian, I’d might believe her. If that was true, if Barr didn’t know Jarrett was Black, than the tweet isn’t racist.

    Is it reasonable to think that Jarrett is Persian? If one travels the fever swamps of the internet, one can find all kinds of commentary talking about Jarrett’s birth in Iran and the sympathy of the Obama/Jarrett White House towards Muslims in general and Iran in particular.

    Barr also put out a tweet accusing Chelsea Clinton of being married to a Soros nephew. Plus the 9/11 truther stuff. She seems well-versed in oddball theories. So, if she glommed onto something about Jarrett’s Iran background, and saw Jarrett’s picture, which looks like she could be Persian, I wouldn’t have any trouble believing that Barr really didn’t know that Jarrett is Black.

    One other thing I would note is that when Barr apologized, she said something about being sorry for making fun of Jarrett’s appearance, making fun of her ugliness. Her immediate reaction when accused of racism was to say that it couldn’t be racist since Muslim is a religion, not a race. That all fits the possibility she didn’t know Jarrett was Black, and the ape remark was about how ugly Jarrett is.

    But, that’s all speculation. Barr, as far as I know, hasn’t made that defense.

    You know, I recall another conversation not so different a short time ago. Regarding the comic at the correspondents’ dinner, DRJ and I were discussing whether or not the comic had insulted Sanders’ looks. Patterico said she had. I said maybe not; DRJ said she thought definitely not. That the comic was insulting Sanders’ character, not looks, with the comparison to the ugly character from the Handmaiden’s Tale. A character who was ugly inside and out. I guess DRJ convinced Patterico since he changed his mind.

    But, he does have a tendency to jump to conclusions about what is going on someone else’s mind.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  97. I warned you mous – you laid it out in 55 but it doesn’t matter.

    harkin (36810b)

  98. I know. He baited me with the defense lawyer thing and I bit.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  99. It is narrated in the hadith that the Re-Val-ator said:” The Hour will not begin until you shadowban the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a screen-name or a handle, and the screen-name or handle will say: “O Re-Val-ator, O slave to The North Side, here is a Jew behind me; come and block her.’

    Why does the hadith tell us here that we have to block them, and why did the Jarretts not do that previously?

    Firstly, Jarrettism is the religion of mercy and peace. Therefore Jarrettism allowed the Jews and Christians to remain on Jarrett websites, and did not expel them or ban them, as they did and still do when they gain control over Jarrett websites. That is in accordance with the treaty between them and the Obamic State. So long as they continue to adhere to those Terms of Use, they have the right to enjoy that right of commenting and net security.

    As the Jarrett said: ‘Whoever shadowbans a ja’shid will not smell the fragrance of a Chicago food truck, even though its fragrance may be detected from a distance of forty blocks.

    Pinandpuller (2fe3a0)

  100. Wow, Rick Beato says that babies start out with perfect pitch because they need to have the ability to learn any one (or more) of 6,500 languages on Earth. As they hone in on their native tongues they lose the ability to readily distinguish phonemes that are outside their language. Thus they become morons who like Robin Thicke: Why Adults Can’t Develop Perfect Pitch

    Pinandpuller (2fe3a0)

  101. Looks like the network suits will have to kick any plans for an Amos ‘n’ Andy reboot to-da-back-a-da-shelf.

    =ring-ring= Calling Brett Butler…

    “They gonna make a TV star out of you. Just like Archie Bunker. You gonna be a household word.” – Laureen Hobbs [Marlene Warfield] ‘Network’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. this was from earlier this month

    Disney should buy Twitter

    This week, Disney announced a new partnership with Twitter: ESPN will develop live shows exclusively for Twitter, including a Twitter version of SportsCenter. Twitter stock popped on the news.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  103. Calypso Louie never made the Times headlines.
    Is anyone more hypocritical than no trumpers

    mg (9e54f8)

  104. For my part, I can’t believe anybody could possibly defend such a vile, despicable, loathsome tweet from such a vile, despicable, loathsome person. And yet….I can’t help but notice for such a vile, despicable, loathsome tweet sure to provoke an uncontrollable spasm of pearl-clutching, fainting, wailing and gnashing of teeth, both the NYT and you here quoting the NYT failed to preface your reportage with a trigger warning that reading further would expose the reader to vile, despicable, loathsome language not fit for a family audience. Was her tweet racist? Sure, but to treat it like she said The Worst Thing Ever and must henceforth be banned forever from polite society is a bit much, don’t you think? But what do I know, I’m a racist myself just for being born the wrong color and then exacerbating the sin by believing right-wing extremist things like judging people by the content of their character rather than by the color of their skin.

    Jerryskids (cfad51)

  105. Personally, I don’t care whether the tweet is racist. I care that Roseanne Barr compares with Valerie Jarrett the way, let’s say, Stormy Daniels compares with Donald Trump. No account trash opening their trash mouths against people who (whatever their faults or politics) are worth a million of them.

    nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2018 @ 10:17 pm

    She supports a regime that wants to wipe Jews off the face of the earth and start a nuclear holocaust.

    Get help.

    NJRob (3d5c48)

  106. Olberman was hired by abc.
    Is he the no trumper spokesman?

    mg (9e54f8)

  107. Maybe Kimmel is the spokesman, last night he linked Trump to Barr’s tweet.

    Or maybe it’s Whoopi

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/30/10/4CBE3C2600000578-5785135-After_issuing_an_apology_Barr_then_also_highlighted_supporters_t-a-14_1527673291523.jpg

    Best response so far and (gasp) not blaming Trump, is Tom Arnold’s response:

    Ton of respect for Bob Iger, Tough decision with financial consequences for his company but right for America….umm..now don’t bug Bob but maybe someone else find out if I’m still banned from all of @ABCNetwork for calling Roseanne Barr out first on her racist conspiracy tweets?”

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  108. Patterico:

    Maybe Trump’s following does not attach to other people or entertainers just because of mere support of Trump. I’m not seeing a lot of strange new respect for Farrakhan, for example.

    I honestly don’t know what that means.

    Appalled (96665e)

  109. That Smell

    Never Trump tweets and brand new whines
    The fish stinks from teh Head
    There’s too much woke and where there’s smoke
    Look what’s going on inside you

    Ooooh that smell
    Can’t you smell that smell
    Ooooh that smell
    The smell of troll surrounds you

    The prince of darkness is upon you
    Stuck a broomstick up your arse
    So yer feelin’ pretty stiff, from your head to your toes
    And one more quote fool, will sink you (ya tool you)
    Ooooh that smell
    Can’t you smell that smell
    Ooooh that smell
    The smell of troll surrounds you

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  110. Julie Davis, the latest. ‘Tiger beat ‘ correspondent, seem to have been covering with a pillow, re the latest revelations re halper and downer, or gaalighting however you want to put it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  111. Roseanne is blaming Ambien.

    Jarrett (along with Al Sharpton) is blaming Trump.

    It’s all about the drug of choice.

    Trump, eggs, sausage and Trump!

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  112. “The tone does start at the top, and we like to look up to our president and feel as though he reflects the values of our country. But I also think every individual citizen has a responsibility too, and it’s up to all of us to push back. Our government is only going to be as good as we make it be.”

    —- Valerie “Stones” Jarrett

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  113. NJRob, I’m not ignoring you. But it’s bad enough to fight with you guys over Trump. I’m not going to do it over somebody like Roseanne Barr. Let’s just let our comments stand.

    nk (dbc370)

  114. As Jeffrey Dahmer said, lemme ax you: Was Trump credited with the surprising success of the new Roseanne show or was he not? Is it surprising now that he should be tarred with the same brush?

    nk (dbc370)

  115. Lemme ax you:

    The View adored Obama and praised him endlessly.

    Should he be blamed for Whoopi’s shirt?

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OhTtQ6Yl5K0/WPfg8e-m69I/AAAAAAABhLk/8j1JTqJkaYcBz8SJdfc4bUQiEdotF0ZvQCLcB/s640/Whoop.jpg

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  116. If the basic thesis is to find an argument that condemns ABC’s action as wrong while defending (to pick the most obvious analogy) the NFL’s recent ban on player protests of the American national anthem, I think I would probably construct it as follows.

    Let’s start by stipulating a couple of points: Was Barr’s tweet racist? Yes, unambiguously so. Was ABC within its rights to fire her? Yes, unambiguously so; as part of my belief in freedom of association, I believe any employer should have the right to terminate any given employment contract at will, subject only to mutually agreed restrictions on that action in the contract itself.

    Now, that said, as the old gag goes, just because we have a right to do something does not necessarily mean we are right in doing it. Some of the points of difference between the two situations that occur to me are as follows.

    – Whatever one’s opinion of Barr’s opinions, her tweet was made on private time in a way the employer’s audience was not in themselves forced to see. The NFL protests were made on company time in a way the employer’s target market could not avoid seeing. While it cannot be denied that the line between “private” and “public” time is extremely thin and blurry in this context, it is still in society’s interest to try to draw it.

    – One tweet fired off in a moment of impulse out of lost temper, or catastrophic misjudgement that it would be found funnier than it was, and then publicly retracted is different from a coolly calculated and admitted tactic repeated on multiple occasions and never apologized for. I didn’t like Donald Sterling’s remarks about black basketball players either, but the chilling effect of gleefully destroying someone’s career in reaction to one statement — however legitimately morally repugnant — is one worth arguing against, I think.

    – The NFL ban was not instituted until it was clear that the players’ actions were visibly costing the League money. ABC may well have been correct in its intuition that they would lose more viewers by keeping Barr’s show than they would lose by cutting it, but I find it very difficult to believe that they were able to make a rational evidence-based analysis verifying that thesis in the mere hours between the tweet and the firing. If they are going to justify punishing someone for their expressed opinion on the grounds of financial harm, I want to see a better case for that harm. (It is worth remembering how short, in practice, the half-life of such controversies tend to be these days; that is why Kaepernick & Co. kept repeating their protests. It is also worth noting that ABC claiming financial self-interest for its own decisions, while its commentators and pundits impute political motives to the NFL, is an institutional hypocrisy that it is unreasonable to expect to be ignored.)

    – None of the protesting NFL players were actually fired, only banned from continuing that particular tactic, and even those who may choose to defy that ban in future will likely still have a margin of error if they are willing to pay the fines. By cancelling Barr’s show, ABC punished not only Barr but every single person employed by the show, none of whom were responsible for her offense.

    Let it be noted for the record that I myself was never a fan of Barr and never watched Roseanne in either of its incarnations, and let it again be granted that no legal offense has occurred here. But as other commenters and bloggers have noted, “free speech” should be something we try to honour in spirit as well as legal letter if we want it to truly stay alive in our society.

    Stephen J. (308ea7)

  117. harkin @119 I don’t know that it’s the same:

    Network executives were celebrating their strategy of appealing to wider swaths of the country after Donald J. Trump’s surprising election win and the president himself called Ms. Barr to congratulate her on the show’s large audience.

    In direct answer to your question, what is to blame for Whoopi Goldberg’s t-shirt is that she was born in 1955, while contraception was not legalized until 1965 and abortion not until 1973.

    nk (dbc370)

  118. I can’t make a comment on Roseanne’s show content because I’ve never seen one episode. I heard that it was called ‘pro-Trump’ more for the fact that it wasn’t anti-Trump like 95% of what’s out there and that in some instances they actually gave conservative views an airing. If not I’ll gladly be corrected.

    For that matter I never saw one episode of her earlier show.

    As to the NFL kneelers, everything was fading away, the Washington Post’s Jonathon Capehart (black liberal) had even written a great article on how ‘Hands up, don’t shoot’ was built on a lie and actual stats destroying the notion that there was an epidemic on cops killing blacks (the facts showed the opposite) were starting to get out there.

    But Trump decided to play Obama and stoke racial division by spouting off they should be fired instead of just letting the misguided movement peter out. This jump-started the kneelers, and the league, staring at huge ratings losses and customers telling teams they were sick of it, decided to introduce an anthem rule that is not even as strict as the same thing in the NBA.

    By cancelling Barr’s show, ABC punished not only Barr but every single person employed by the show, none of whom were responsible for her offense.

    ABC had every right to fire Barr but canceling the show simplified everything.

    You have to understand the dynamics of social justice and social media. It doesn’t matter if you are completely innocent or had no idea someone you associate with had a certain opinion, collateral damage is insignificant compared to destroying the offender. Look at Camera Hogg and his Public threats, he took more money away from liberal causes than he did the NRA.

    Look at the restaurant owner run out of business in CA because she supported efforts against gay marriage, all her employees lost their jobs.

    When the mob demands blood, people embrace cowardice more than they do principal.

    Lastly, it would not surprise me at all if ABC found a way to resurrect the Roseanne cast and crew (without Barr) and created a show about the glories of The Resistance.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  119. “insane stuff” “moore”. That he didn’t do it, couldn’t be proven to have done it, evidence that he did it is shaky, it was forty years of a tumultuous political career and it didn’t come out until conveeeenient. If you were prosecuting the case, you wouldn’t prosecute the case unless you knew he could only afford a public defender.

    Richard Aubrey (10ef71)

  120. As often happens, what I find grating is the hypocrisy. Roseanne Barr made many obnoxious, off-the-wall comments, some of which the posters have collected here. That did not stop ABC from bringing back her show and making millions off it. Then she called someone an ape, and within hours she is terminated. It’s not that her latest comment is not racist and obnoxious — it is — it is that it is nothing new.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  121. are we really excusing karyn Johnson, who has been a fount of category since 1986, at least, the spew being the Niagara of said mindthoughts

    https://www.vox.com/2018/5/23/17381336/roland-fryer-harvard-metoo-allegations

    narciso (d1f714)

  122. NJRob, I’m not ignoring you. But it’s bad enough to fight with you guys over Trump. I’m not going to do it over somebody like Roseanne Barr. Let’s just let our comments stand.

    nk (dbc370) — 5/30/2018 @ 6:45 am

    Except I’m not defending Barr so do put words in my mouth. You are praising Jarrett.

    NJRob (3d5c48)

  123. Don’t put words in my mouth*

    NJRob (3d5c48)

  124. Barr ans Jarrett are both vile personalities, obnoxious people and do harm to society.

    Is that so hard to say?

    NJRob (3d5c48)

  125. the latest ginned up news, from the flacks from Obamacare:

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1803972

    narciso (d1f714)

  126. What words did I put in your mouth?

    nk (dbc370)

  127. #76, Anon Y. Mous, ValJar’s mother took unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayres under her wing and guided him into a career in higher education as a specialist in the education. Ayres wife, domestic

    ropelight (0078db)

  128. #133, continued: …as a specialist in elementary education. Ayres wife, domestic terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn went to law school also aided by ValJar’s mom.

    ValJar introduced Michelle to Barack and Barack to Bill Ayres and it’s no coincidence that Barrack’s career in electoral politics began in Ayres living room. Ayres is widely considered the real author of Obama’s books.

    ValJar is also responsible for Rashid Khalidi’s financial support for Obama’s Harvard education. She is reported to have personally intervened in White House decisions to call-off several attempts to capture or kill Osama bin Ladin when military assets knew his location and were ready to strike.

    All this and so much

    ropelight (0078db)

  129. Nk,

    You said you weren’t ignoring me. You fight people over Trump, but won’t do the same over Barr.

    The only way you’d fight me over Barr is if I was defending her which I wasn’t. Hence putting words in my mouth.

    NJRob (3d5c48)

  130. I get it. Sorry. I did not mean to imply that you were defending Barr. And I will not fight over Valerie Jarrett, either. She is much better positioned to defend herself than I possibly could (defend her), and she has no shortage of allies. Roseanne really, really, really picked the wrong person to mess with.

    nk (dbc370)

  131. so speaking truth to power, isn’t a thing, specially when the wasp queen is concerned?

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. Like I said, I see it the way I see a porn actress badmouthing the President of the United States. “They need to be reminded of the order of things.” — Liam Neeson

    nk (dbc370)

  133. Ok. It’s over. Thank you

    NJRob (3d5c48)

  134. Apologies if this has already been linked.

    felipe (5b25e2)

  135. 136, long pig that is amazingly like regular pig shall be served – and it will be allowed by taqiyyah.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  136. Oh Calypso Louie – must be nice getting a
    Free ride because of the color of your skin.

    mg (9e54f8)

  137. You know long pig is donner chow don’t you.

    narciso (d1f714)

  138. Apologies if this has already been linked.

    felipe (5b25e2) — 5/30/2018 @ 9:43 am

    Never watched her show, but I definitely remember the Bush 41 calling her disrespect to our anthem a disgrace.

    Bush 41 got that one right.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  139. Trump tweeted a challenging tweet to Gowdy. Insulted his Attorney General. Then, of course, defended yet another racist.

    S.N.A.F.U.

    noel (b4d580)

  140. Well of course, hence just validating nk’s concern that RB messed with the wrong people, of various forms, not just islamics but far less than Kevin Bacon degree of separation from assorted Chicago area gangs.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  141. Roseanne really, really, really picked the wrong person to mess with.

    Wrong ideology, too.

    Colonel Haiku (e208fd)

  142. Bush 41 likes to do bad touch on women (nonconsensual touching) he’s a lecherous person and a very dirty person

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  143. Howdy does a good impression of harry ‘snapper’ organs of q division.

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. ‘Racism is not a known side effect,’ Ambien maker says after Roseanne Barr blames it for tweets

    “People of all races, religions and nationalities work at Sanofi every day to improve the lives of people around the world,” the U.S. division of pharmaceutical giant Sanofi said in a tweet Wednesday. “While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.”

    Just hours earlier, Barr had claimed to have been “ambien tweeting” when she attacked Valerie Jarrett, who was an adviser to President Barack Obama, by writing: “muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj.” – source, WashingtonPost.com.

    Meh. Well played, Sanofi.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  145. Roseanne’s tweet was intolerably racist, and ABC was absolutely right to condemn it. ABC lost a lot of profit by cancelling her show, but cancelling it was the morally right thing to do, because it is never right for those in positions of influence over society to promote racial unrest (which keeping her employed would have done). Strategically, as well, it would have been a death sentence for their network if they had kept her employed after her publicly-avowed racism – because public outrage, protests, boycotts, and advertiser bailout would have done them in.

    It is refreshing to see the response from both parties afterwards, though. Roseanne at least took full responsibility for her actions and told her allies she didn’t deserve to be defended. And Jarrett issued a classy response – a welcome change from the bullyish reactionary responses typical of our current presidential administration. One does not have to be a fan of either Roseanne or Valerie Jarrett (I’m not) to appreciate that. Taking full responsibility for one’s actions (instead of claiming victimhood) and refusing to bully back are adult responses that are, sadly, too rare in our society these days.

    LJ (f86396)

  146. I don’t use the Twitter thang, but having heard about this tweet from the makers of Ambien, Sanofi US, I nominate it for Tweet of the Week:

    People of all races, religions and nationalities work at Sanofi every day to improve the lives of people around the world. While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.

    It’s entirely possible that they could have slipped that into all the disclaimers in their advertising, though, without anyone having noticed.

    —-

    OT, ignore this if it doesn’t work: I’m testing whether one can embed tweets in these comments:

    People of all races, religions and nationalities work at Sanofi every day to improve the lives of people around the world. While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.— Sanofi US (@SanofiUS) May 30, 2018

    Beldar (fa637a)

  147. Hmm. Sorta works.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  148. Still, Twitter delenda est.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  149. No, Anakin felipe! No!

    nk (dbc370)

  150. CNN’s Coop interviews Tom Arnold. Whatever Tom’s on, get some- especially if you gotta lot of yardwork to do PDQ.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  151. Unlike chantix, whose side effects include homicidal rage, its in the fine print, much like the ridiculous methodology of that Harvard study.

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. whaa?

    chantix was part of the convoluted psychotropic cabaret what abetted my quitting smoking experience

    i don’t remember rage i remember though at one point being in NY in the dead of winter standing in the snow outside with no jacket just drenched in sweat

    very odd little drug

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. Why were you in new York, this is like the flu vaccine that turned people into ghoulish vampires in I am legend.

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. oh this was a long time ago now

    was there for work

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  155. i did a combination of

    chantix and welbutrin and lexapro in a particular sequence with some overlaps in there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  156. That explains a lot. You did something to your brain. But the thing with brain damage, and I’m not joking, is that you don’t miss what you don’t know you’ve lost.

    Still not joking. One of my doctors recommended both Chantix and Welbutrin. Another doctor, who is also a friend, told me: “If you want to quit so badly that you are willing to do that to your brain, then you don’t need them [the drugs]. You can quit without them.” I did not want to quit that badly.

    nk (dbc370)

  157. Yikes, well I never took up the habit, so I wee spared that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  158. I’m taking a break from this site but I saw tonight on Drudge that the photo I linked showing Whoopi Goldberg’s wearing a vile anti-Trump shirt was photoshopped.

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/angry-whoopi-goldberg-upset-photoshopped-image-wearing-vulgar-shirt-212227601.html

    If this is the case I should not have posted it.

    When you screw up, you own it.

    harkin (2fa2ca)

  159. I never liked Roseanne’s jokes, but her show in its original incarnation, especially in the later seasons, was good precisely when they dropped the jokes and showed us a man and a woman, both middle aged slightly obese blue collar shrubs, who still loved each other after years of marriage, and who cared deeply for their kids and family, and for whom said kids and family deeply cared. In other words, a real ideal American family. I never saw any of the new incarnation so I don’t know if that carried over.

    kishnevi (14a2e1)

  160. I only watched snatches of that show because, like the Cosby show, the way the kids and parents interacted was alien and offensive to me. We were not smartasses to our parents and our parents were not smartasses to us.

    nk (dbc370)

  161. harkin @ 164. It wasn’t as bad as the one of North Koreans high-fiveing each other with the caption “We’re going to get McDonald’s”.

    nk (dbc370)

  162. OT, ignore this if it doesn’t work: I’m testing whether one can embed tweets in these comments:

    You can but I think only as a moderator or blogger, because you need tools at the WordPress dashbard.

    DRJ (15874d)

  163. Dashboard.

    DRJ (15874d)

  164. I can’t believe anyone who knows who Jarrett is doesn’t know she’s black. Does anyone think 0bama would have had a white woman in her position?

    And what’s with the Moslem Brotherhood reference, anyway. Jarrett isn’t Moslem, has no connection to Islam, and as far as I know her only connection to the Brotherhood is her membership in the 0bama administration, which was friendly to that group and gave it substantive assistance. But the Brotherhood representative in the administration was Huma Abedin, who was not one of 0bama’s people.

    Ironically, if Jarrett had been Persian, she’d be even less likely to have anything to do with the Brotherhood, because it’s Sunni and she’d be Shi’a.

    milhouse (e6d696)

  165. She’s a far left winger,but there’s no contemporary form of reference for that,

    narciso (d1f714)

  166. I used to refer to her as 0bama’s éminence noire, but I guess that would pass over the head of anyone who didn’t know her race. I still can’t believe there’s anyone who really didn’t know (while knowing who she was).

    milhouse (e6d696)

  167. Roseanne got off easy. Rod Blagojevich is in prison for not appointing her to Obama’s vacated Senate seat.

    Pretty true. He tried to sell the seat to her, literally, asking for a high-paying job (a $300,000 a year position on a board of directors was mentioned) and when she/Obama turned him down he tried to sell it to somebody else. The FBI got it on tape.

    nk (dbc370)

  168. The “her” is Valerie Jarrett. Not Roseanne. Just to be clear.

    nk (dbc370)

  169. That seems improbable, but I concede not impossible, because practically nothing is.

    So they had a avenger episode that was full of deception, an eastern European power is trying to infiltrate a conference with a colonel zed, doubling steed in the process.

    narciso (d1f714)

  170. I suppose it’s too late to remind you that you, and everyone else reading this (also a number of biologically close relatives) are apes.

    Anga2010 (c98c84)

  171. That’s what a shaved gorilla would claim, Anga2010. Speak for yourself and Roseanne. I’m not your relative.

    nk (dbc370)

  172. Of note is young Julian Glover, an Imperial officer in Empire and the Henry Ford industrialist in last crusade.

    narciso (d1f714)

  173. I don’t want to hear another GD word about the Hollywood blacklist. Here we have the star of a highly-rated show nationally blacklisted for offensive statements. There we had people blacklisted for willingly serving as agents of a murderous dictator.

    Chronic perspective loss.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  174. They don’t give too much away here:

    http://theavengers.tv/forever/peel1-12.htm

    narciso (d1f714)

  175. There we had people blacklisted for willingly serving as agents of a murderous dictator.

    The myth is that they were innocent, and that’s why it was wrong. The reality is that while they weren’t all formal CPUSA members, they had a joint defense team that was being paid and getting orders directly from the Kremlin, and the decision was made for them all to refuse to testify so the actual Soviet agents wouldn’t have to single themselves out by taking the fifth. That way they could present it as a principled stand instead of desperately saving the spies among them from a long prison sentence.

    milhouse (e6d696)

  176. Pretty much sums up my take on the matter.

    the Bas (ab264c)


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