Trump Cancels North Korea Summit
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ikes this kinda shines something of an unforgiving spotlight on how the sleazy incompetent mattis military has nothing remotely approaching a plan b
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:23 amThose with memories longer than a gnat realize the time was not propitious, the Vienna summit for instance was a bad move, had JFK checkmated lruskchev
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:32 amChump rhymes with Trump; putting the no in Nobel since 2018.
Game, set, match, Kim. Well played, sir.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:35 amYou are the Chuck barris of punditry.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:36 amDon’t raise expectations. It weakens your negotiating position.
Who doesn’t know this?
noel (b4d580) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:37 amI have no time for analysis…
LOL, neither did Trump.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:37 amKims leverage was his test site thR was trashed like thanos did zandar.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:40 amObviously whatever deal or framework that was being discussed was not to the Presidents and the broader Nat Sec communities liking.
Good on him for walking away from the table. If there is a deal to be made, I hope we can make it. I’m still optimistic that this can get done. But IF it’s going to happen, it will advance US interests first. No need to enter a bad deal *cough* Iran *cough* just to say that we did something.
The Norks need this more than us. We got our hostages back. While I doubt that they REALLY destroyed their testing site, the calculation for us hasn’t changed. The Norks has changed. Sanctions in place, more possibly to come and the Chinese are going to be less likely to help their pit bull because we still have plenty of options to punish the ChiComs economically.
Look for the Treasury Department to go after Chinese bankers
Carlton (303315) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:41 amAn igNobel moment for our dear president.
Having taken that shot, my belief is that this is a good move. The USA has been, and continues to be, played for chumps. If nothing else, this move tempers this diplomatic reality.
Ed from SFV (b95465) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:45 am@8. Pompeo was Walrus Gumboed.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:45 amAnd now, back to our previous hyperbole….. threatening nuclear rain on the Munchkin!
noel (b4d580) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:46 amOh, that’s right. “EVERYONE thinks I deserve the Peace Prize”. DJT
Noooo. You don’t look desperate. Nope.
noel (b4d580) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:48 amWould the Paris conference have prevented the Berlin matter, no because the Russians were confident then with sputnik they held the high ground in Cuba they have thrust into our front yard, in Munich they had iced Bandera their long time advedrsary.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:49 amConversely in the 80s Reagan didn’t feel the need to communicate with the Soviets in the early part despite the nuclear freeze maskirovna
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:53 amIf the Nobel committee treated Trump as they did Obama he’d already have the Peace Prize for simply being elected.
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:55 am
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:57 amneontaster
@neontaster
I mean, we got three prisoners back, the Nork’s just destroyed a testing facility, and we were the ones who pulled out of the summit. I’m not sure how that constitutes North Korea playing us.
Good move. Let the Chinese and Kimchi come begging again as we ramp up the sanctions.
I confess, I was worried for a while that Trump would give away the store for good press and I am happy to have been shown wrong.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:01 amI’m sure that President Trump would like to win the Nobel’s prize. I’d like a Nobel Prize in Econ, but I’m just a lowly banker. Anyone here I’m sure would LIKE to win one.
Would the President strut around like a peacock if he won the Nobel Peace Prize? No doubt
Would the President take every opportunity to call attention to his REAL Nobel Peace Prize vs the one that President Obama won? You’re darn skippy he would.
Would President Trump show up to the Nobel ceremony, wearing a MAGA hat, Def Leppard t-shirt and eating straight from a bucket of KFC while giving his speech? I could only pray.
If President Trumps ONLY concern was his self aggrandizement in THIS instance, he would’ve taken any deal on the table. But he didn’t. He walked. I for one commend him on it.
But the concern trolling on his lost Nobel……. I would think he doesn’t really actually care.
Carlton (cfdd5a) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:06 am#17 NK.
I have ALOT of faith in Pompeo and Bolton. They are, I believe giving him good advice on this situation. Good on the President for taking it.
Carlton (cfdd5a) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:07 amHe got the hostages released and got North Korea to blow up their own nuclear site, but I guess he got PLAYED by those wily Asians because now he’s been denied the pleasure of an extended overseas meeting in Singapore.
Tellurian (b07080) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:10 amKim feared that a deal to give up nuclear weapons and associated delivery systems would give his father’s hardline generals all the excuse needed to depose him and rule the Hermit Kingdom as a military junta.
Consequently, Kim escalated his harsh rhetoric (largely for domestic consuption) but failed to build a sufficiently healthy relationship with both South Korea and the Trump Administration strong enough to endure his verbal belligerency.
Kim now knows he must secure his dictatorship by removing dangerous hardliners before he can again approach the West in an attempt to duplicate China’s successful accommodation to the world economy.
Kim’s future and that of the North Korean people depend it.
ropelight (0b27dc) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:11 amWas the peace treaty formally adopted by all parties, ending the conflict of the 50s? Or, is there some technicality remaining which enables the DPRK to continue to dangle a “peace” as an enticement for any further negotiation? Thanks for any reply.
Ed from SFV (b95465) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:14 amNot far from there, but can Duterte top this?
http://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/asia/australia-malaysia-maria-exposto-intl/index.html
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:15 amAnd it would have been an epic summit too. The Munchkin vs. the Manchurian.
noel (b4d580) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:17 amThere’s a good article (that means I like it) by Joseph Bosco on The Hill. http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/389125-trump-may-have-given-kim-an-offer-he-dares-not-refuse-despite-Beijings-objections It discusses how denuclearization should be tied in with rehumanization and China’s decades of crapweaselry and in the present instance.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:18 amThere never was a peace treaty, only a cease fire. Technically the a state of war is still in effect
ropelight (0b27dc) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:20 amThere was no peace treaty, Ed from SFV. Only a ceasefire. Technically we are still at war with North Korea. Believe it or not, it’s one of the bases for the President being able to impose tariffs without further Congressional action.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:21 amHeh!
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:21 amWonder if Morgan Freeman getting #MeTooed overshadows this:
“The female former employee at Revelations told CNN that Freeman was flanked by a group of men on the set of “Through the Wormhole” when she met the actor for the first time. He “looked me up and down,” she said, and then asked her, “How do you feel about sexual harassment?””
well with a movie title like that…..
Tellurian (b07080) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:23 amAnd apparently he’s going for an insanity defense, Tellurian. https://twitter.com/mjfree/status/999650882735280129
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:27 amI shouldn’t have called Trump a Manchurian. Sorry. It was about 60% joke.
noel (b4d580) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:30 amAccording to the bio that is ‘not the actor’.
Well, guess we should get a leg up on the Morgan Freeman movie title edits in any case:
Screws Almighty
Pile Driving Miss Daisy
Tellurian (b07080) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:31 amNoel, what would you have preferred the President to do at this point?You seem to be Pro North Korea, but maybe I’m reading it incorrectly.
BuDuh (78888e) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:37 amIn Flanders’ letter, he thanked Simpson for the gracious gesture of returning his own weedwacker, lawn mower and hedge clippers Homer swiped a few years ago and hopes he’ll consider writing or calling again to discuss the lawn sprinkler and who gets hosed.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:38 amNow, I am pro-North Korea?? OMG
I have never complimented the little Kim in my life. That was someone else.
noel (b4d580) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:40 amI have ALOT of faith in Pompeo and Bolton…
Devil worship.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:40 amNow that the ‘summit’ is off, there’s plenty of freed up time for our Captain to meet w/Mueller before June 12, eh, Rudy!?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:42 amTrump’s latest tweet on the failed meet-up with Fat Kim.
Paul Montagu (e6130e) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:47 amhttps://twitter.com/realGollumTrump/status/999662330542723074
It seems like Trump is using the promise of a summit as a negotiating ploy, and that makes sense. Both sides got something — Kim got a trip to China and probably aid, while Trump got the returned American hostages. This can go on awhile.
It is funny to see Trump complain regarding the “tremendous anger and open hostility” in recent statements from Pyongyang.” Most of the statements have been negative comments about Pence, calling him a political dummy and his comments stupid. Trump has said far worse about many Republicans.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:57 amWas the right move to walk. Not the end of the world. It’s a process.
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:06 amtrashy-ass Republicans have said far far worse about President Trump than President Trump has ever said about them that’s for sure
look at Meghan’s coward daddy for example he can’t shut his useless incontinent coward-mouth and Jeff Flake, who raised disgustingly racist children, is equally bitter and foul-mouthed
this is not good number one our president, President Donald Trump, is a stout fellow, stalwart and true, and he likes to free the hostages and make the good deals
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:07 amnumber two President Trump’s averse to the kind of vulgar gutter-talk Meghan’s coward daddy engages in with such unfortunate frequency
President Trump’s making the good decisions, and that benefits *everyone* if you ask me
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:10 amMorgan Freeman has needs
sexual needs
this is why he likes to molest the hot young things even when they don’t do consent
this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:12 amThe President defending the Vice-President is funny?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:17 amNo one would want a prize that Obama has stained. Obama has ruined dang near everything he touches. Look at the yeti he married.
mg (9e54f8) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:18 amTechnically we were never at war with North Korea. It was a “police action”.
Dave (445e97) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:20 amThink he’ll run for president?
Dave (445e97) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:20 am@16, @34 As far as we know, there wasn’t a pallet of unmarked US bills or 5 terrorists freed from Guantanamo to grease the release of the three Americans.
pete (a65bac) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:22 amnext on a special episode of madame secretary,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:28 amthis was the precursor event, I was speaking of:
http://www.brightreview.co.uk/ARTICLE-Bandera.html
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:30 amin other news:
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/246594
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:33 ambandera was unfortunately the company’s fair-haired boy, vouched for by general gehlen,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:40 amTrump’s obsequious letter is hilarious:
Dave (445e97) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:40 amIt’s like he’s writing to a crush who backed out a prom date or something.
Dave (445e97) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:42 amWell, apart from the passive-aggressive threat of nuclear war, anyway.
Dave (445e97) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:44 amI think it’s a very good letter. The Greek expression is “knifing him with cotton”. What is a similar expression in American?
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:44 amOops! We’re overstocked!!! WH Gift Shop having sale on North Korean-U.S. summit commemorative coin and ornament.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:47 amyes the mailed fist, inside the velvet glove,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:47 amsettle down, chuck,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:52 am@44. Man boobs.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:55 amYes. Obsequious. Yes. Obsequious indeed.
Skorcher (5b282a) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:55 am@59. Makin’ bacon when the pig iron is hot:
The White House gift shop has already discounted the commemorative coin it made for the now-canceled summit between Trump and Kim Jong Un
‘President Trump’s decision to cancel his meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un led to a stock market drop and dashed the hopes of anyone who thought he could made a nuclear deproliferation deal with the dictator.
It also apparently led to the White House gift shop discounting the gifts it made to commemorate the summit… One ornament, originally priced at $85, is now available for $59. The other gift, a coin with a retail price of $24.95, can now be purchased for $19.95. Get them while supplies last!’ – source, http://www.thisinsider.com
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:02 am“…….letter is hilarious.”
As hilarious as giving them nuke tech and telling US citizens it would never be used for weapons?
As hilarious as secretly giving billions to a terrorist state?
But but he had a coin struck!!
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:04 am“Morgan Freeman has needs
sexual needs
this is why he likes to molest the hot young things even when they don’t do consent
this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis”
Happyfeet is SLANDERING a prominent African-American individual, Morgan Freeman TOTALLY ASKED IF THEY WERE OKAY WITH SEXUAL HARRASSMENT before harrassing them, he did the conversational equivalent of ‘filling out the paperwork’ and ‘checking the boxes’ and ‘dotting the eyes’ ‘crossing the tease’ and before he went ahead and did Diligence in the Hollywood trailer park.
Tellurian (b07080) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:06 am“One ornament, originally priced at $85, is now available for $59. The other gift, a coin with a retail price of $24.95, can now be purchased for $19.95………”
Andrew McCabe’s table has been marked down to $50,000
“Former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, who was fired for lying under oath, spent $70,000 in taxpayer dollars on a conference table. The FBI also redacted the conference table’s steep price tag from documents that members of the Senate Judiciary Committee requested, in an apparent attempt to hide it from Congress.”
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:07 amRegarding his letter to Fat Kim, Trump is highly educated, he knows words, he has the best words. I know that because he told us so.
Paul Montagu (e6130e) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:09 amthat is twice what ben carson’s table cost, oddly the times didn’t make much of that,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:10 amNational Soros Radio is wetting their panties cause Jeffrey Tambor yelled at some hollywood skanks
which gives rise to this amusing locution
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:11 amotoh, we are talking about easy reader, from the electric company,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:11 ambtw, the expanse may be going to amazon, for the fourth season,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:13 amSo Tambor really is Hank Kingsley?
Hey now!
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:13 amWhat? You guys own ZTE stock or something? Trump let the Chinese save face on American farm products — they had nowhere else to buy them from before they started starving — but ZTE is not final yet. He’ll make Xi squirm for playing games with the summit.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:14 ama side note, freeman, just became the voice of Vancouver public transit, awkward,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:16 amI hope the coins cost less than Obama Olympic Dreams.
What a failure. And his legacy?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:18 amthat’s good news Mr. narciso it’s a bingey little show, sharply written gorgeously art-directed and with a solid cast
i think once it circles back on itself (long tail) it’ll have a nice little audience
the first season is hard though for people what haven’t read the books
syfy dropped the marketing ball in a big way, and Amazon’s team is kinda-sorta still feeling their way forward
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:19 amI liked Jeffrey Tambor in Hellboy II. Moreover
I guess it’s true what they say: Lie down with trannies, wake up with fleas.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:21 amGood for Amazon, picking up The Expanse. Looking forward to Season 2 of Goliath.
Paul Montagu (e6130e) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:21 amI was referring to whatever may have been formalized when Kim visited the ROK recently.
Everyone acted as if that were an armistice.
EdfromSFV (a7ac12) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:22 ammy feels is they should go back and do a season-one made for tv movie what takes a closer look at the space zombies on eros and gives them a chance to do some better exposition for people
everyone likes zombies and space zombies are the very very best kind of zombies, so this project could attract new viewers as well as people who’d maybe just sampled
this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:24 ammeanwhile the country that got the games, probably with a little bribe to mr, blatter, is on fire, it may elect a fmr paratrooper, who makes trump seems altogether too moderate, among other things he praised the real torturing head of the anti guerilla paramilitaries,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:25 am53:
You’re way too interested in the optics of it and if it makes Trump look good/bad. International relations takes time and if you are too obsessed with achieving near term victories for political PR, it hurts your position.
I wouldn’t even look at it as a Trump thing (ha, ha, he looks bad) but just part of the dance that countries do over time. It’s a different frame.
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:48 am“brown-nosing”.
Although I understand that in the business world, it’s also referred to as “dropping your drawers”.
Dave (445e97) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:58 amToo gay.
ropelight (a9cc11) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:08 amIt takes BRASS BALLS to make a deal with the Norks. Go and do likewise, gents. Denuclearization is out there. You pick it up, it’s yours. You don’t, I got no sympathy for you. You wanna go out on those sits tonight and close, CLOSE. It’s yours. If not, you’re gonna be shining my shoes. And you know what you’ll be saying — a bunch of losers sittin’ around in a bar. ‘Oh yeah. I used to be the leader of the free world. It’s a tough racket.’ These are the new leads. These are the Glengarry-Pyongyang leads. And to Trump they’re gold, and Trump doesn’t get them. Why? Because to give them to him is just throwing them away. They’re for closers. I’d wish him good luck but he wouldn’t know what to do with it if he got it. And covfefe is for closers only.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:10 amnotwithstanding the tendentious spin from the propaganda sluts at the hill, brucey-pickles couldn’t be more charming:
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:13 amPressure to close is absolutely the worst classic way to deal with this sort of negotiation with anyone, let alone a communist (they have a classic style of negotiation to try to exploit need of counterparty for PR win).
I agree that Trump should not have hooped this thing up but still don’t think that is a big deal in the grand scheme of things (not like we gave them money or a concession…just a minor embarrassment).
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:21 amhooping it up and then canceling is very counter-intuitive to the tiny asian commie brain
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:33 am@anonymous 86
Spot on. The embarrassment (if there is any) is temporary. 1 maybe 2 news cycles.
However. We gain several things out of this.
1. We don’t get into a bad scenario where we have made concessions to the Norks (money, tech, support). The sanctions are still in place, and we are back to where we were 6 months ago. Negotiations.
2. A signal is sent to the Iranians that THIS US government won’t sign any old treaty that is presented for a short term political win.
This is a longer process that we are looking at here. Even the Iran deal (which I’m not a fan of) wasn’t wrapped up in a six month period of time.
This is a hiccup. And when the Norks come back to the table, they will have to make greater concessions
Carlton (ab2866) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:35 amNarciso number 4… that’s a winner, my friend!!!
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:36 am16… harkin!
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:43 amTime for Dennis Rodman and Jimmuh Carter to save teh day!
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:45 amFathead with teh fly hairdon’t… he gonna be so ronery now…
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:48 amIt’s like he’s writing to a crush who backed out a prom date or something.
Dave (445e97) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:42 am
ConDave with the faculty lounge take…
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:51 am62… dingleberries for teh Chuck Barris of Punditry…
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:55 am“Purchases made through this search function benefit this site, at no extra cost to you”.
Careful Patt, this sort of language just got Legal Insurrection‘s Amazon deal rescinded with no appeal plus money owed withheld.
“On Saturday morning, April 28, 2018, I woke up to an email in my inbox from Amazon Associates telling me our participation in the program was terminated, our account closed, that the decision was final and there was no appeal. On top of that, Amazon was holding back any accumulated money it owed us…….
……Moreover, as I explained in writing to Amazon, stating that a customer can support us does not actually violate the Operating Agreement, which permits disclosure that we earn a fee.”
They’re watching, be careful.
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 11:59 amLink for above:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/05/amazon-demonitizes-conservative-website-us/
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:01 pmGame, set, match, Kim. Well played, sir.
All the commies are rooting for their team.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:06 pmThe only correspondence that Trump should have with the Novel Committee is “Where do I send back the Boobie’s Prize?”
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:09 pm*NoBel
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:10 pm“In early January 2017, then-President Barack Obama, SHMOTUS Joe Biden, and a small sub-group of the national security team began their transition to what’s commonly called the “Deep State.” Based on the footprints they left behind we can tell that they took time from their real jobs of running the country, this proto-deep state planned, coordinated, and leaked a timed media burst of articles about Trump and Russia. Each of the stories was leaked to different outlets. Each story was published between the 10th and 12th of January. This was the turning point when the Obama Administration became the deep state.
At NRO on Tuesday, Andrew McCarthy came to an important conclusion about the Trump-Russia investigation. It has been increasingly clear that the investigation – to the extent we may call it that – started quite a while before 31 July 2016, the date long given for its formal launch. McCarthy suggests it began in the early spring, probably around the end of March.”
https://lidblog.com/obama-administration-deep-state/
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:18 pmTrump has insulted former Presidents, Vice Presidents, Senators, and Governors so I doubt he cares about Pence’s honor, but it is funny to see Trump complain about negative statement (insults) since he uses them so often. Hypocrisy can be sad or funny or both, but this one strikes me as funny because it is so ironic.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:19 pmChant it with me: No-bel Prize! No-bel Prize!
Sir Cecil Spring Rice, the British ambassador to the U.S. from 1912-1918, fondly remarked of President Theodore Roosevelt: “You must always remember that the president is about six.” That it was a fond remark is proved by the fact that TR was godfather to Spring Rice’s son. Despite his ebullient nature and short attention span, however, Teddy Roosevelt actually made peace between the Russians and the Japanese. TR accordingly became the first American to win any Nobel Prize, specifically the Nobel Peace Prize, in 1906 — and he deserved it.
TR knew how to close. TR had all the covfefe he wanted.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:19 pmPresidents should let dictators insult Vice Presidents?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:20 pmThis week’s SNL open writes itself, doesn’t it?
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:21 pmKim got a trip to China and probably aid, while Trump got the returned American hostages. This can go on awhile.
Actually it can’t. The moment Kim has a bomb he can put on an ICBM that can hit the US west coast (anywhere), it’s game over for the negotiations, a unified Korea, the people of North Korea and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:22 pmBeldar,
You really don’t have to jump on the bandwagon. If you actually believe that Trump was doing this for a Nobel Prize (which YOU have a better chance of winning), then you’re not the guy I take you for.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:24 pmthe other hostages are still there though: all our hapless tatters sitting like stupid momo ducks on the kimchi peninsula like they had good sense
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:25 pmYour material is about par for their course.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:27 pmThe npt is a joke, does any signatory really abide by it.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:28 pmyou’re not supposed to do proliferate on the nuclear
even if food stamp says it’s ok and wants you to do genocide on israel that’s still not an acceptable excuse
and if you’re close to where you can nuke japan it’s even worse! (this is what the coward-ass limp-dick south koreans don’t understand – they think it’s all about them)
cause japan is one of our best ally to where we don’t have to shovel monies at them all the time
plus they’re an important culture in their own right unlike south korea (lame culture)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:38 pmKevin m
It’s becoming clear that beldar and Company, are giving new readers the impression that they would prefer death and destruction for our fellow Americans, rather than show a united front because the candidate of their choice didn’t win.
I don’t think they realize how badly they come across to a new reader.
EPWJ (840999) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:39 pm@ Kevin M: Trump just gave away — for three hostages, which is not nothing, but is also not the basis for major diplomatic concessions in return from the world’s only superpower — something that no previous American President since Eisenhower has ever gotten close to giving away: He recognized the leader of the North Korean government as a co-equal entitled to sit across a negotiating table from a President of the United States.
He’s also given the Norks something that unfortunately, every American President since Clinton has also given them: More time.
Having pocketed the worldwide prestige and resumed hold on his ruling junta that accrues from both of these victories, Kim will blame Trump and the U.S. for walking away from the “peace and denuclearization process.” The Norks routinely make ridiculous claims, but this one actually will persuade some people in the world who are already hostile to Trump and/or the U.S.
TR — despite his own instincts as a showman and crowd-pleaser, his own desire (in the words of daughter Alice) to be the corpse at every funeral, the bride at every wedding, and the baby at every christening — also knew how to speak softly and carry a big stick.
Trump speaks loudly, encourages others to fawn over him, and uses his stick on porn stars.
This is a major cock-up. Trump owns it. I’m disinclined to pretend otherwise, and I’m not optimistic at all that he can either reach (meaning: close on!) a deal, or lead America and a coalition of the willing into further action that will take the decisions out of Kim’s hands.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:39 pmCan you imagine Teddy Roosevelt in the Twitter Age? I bet all the right people would be upset.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:39 pm@ EPWJ (#112): You just made something up and attributed it to me — a supposed preference on my part for “death and destruction for our fellow Americans … because the candidate of [my] choice didn’t win.”
I call bullsh!t and call you an @sshold for lying about me. I defy you to quote anything I’ve ever said or written, here or anywhere, at any time, in which I’ve expressed or even implied a preference for “death and destruct for our fellow Americans.”
You’re out of bounds, cowboy.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:42 pmThis week’s SNL open writes itself, doesn’t it?
It certainly could do no worse than the current gaggle of unfunny, wannabe comedy writers have been doing for several years running.
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:43 pmHe’s now riding dat ol’ Lickspittle Express…
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:45 pmThis is a major cock-up. Trump owns it. I’m disinclined to pretend otherwise, and I’m not optimistic at all that he can either reach (meaning: close on!) a deal, or lead America and a coalition of the willing into further action that will take the decisions out of Kim’s hands.
I don’t see it that way. I see it as the “one last chance for peace” due-diligence effort necessary before taking active measures. That Trump might have trouble putting together a coalition has little to do with this (which I think helps, but not enough). Both the Senate Democrats’ refusal to honor the transfer of power and the ongoing full-court press from the #Resistance have done far more damage to Trump’s ability to lead than this negotiating impasse.
So many people are acting like the 18-year-old who doesn’t understand why dad is haggling over their first car.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:45 pm“It’s becoming clear that beldar and Company, are giving new readers the impression that they would prefer death and destruction for our fellow Americans, rather than show a united front because the candidate of their choice didn’t win.
I don’t think they realize how badly they come across to a new reader.”
– EPWJ
You remain a clown, EPWJ. Why don’t you take the next logical leap: if Beldar and Company “prefer death and destruction for our fellow Americans,” how concerned are you that they might throw a rock at you?
Leviticus (efada1) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:47 pmBeldar,
I didn’t take it like #112 either. Perhaps I read #104 wrong, but it had more LOL in it than your usual.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:48 pmMcCarthy suggests it began in the early spring, probably around the end of March.”
Just pure coincidence that a new campaign manager with known connections to KGB agents and Ukrainian Putinists started on March 29, I’m sure.
On the main topic, I was no fan having a summit with Kim, so I’m glad Trump did this. And using what for him is tactful, diplomatic language.
Kishnevi (6a5d3c) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:48 pm@tehTedMan…
“To sit home on one’s ass, read one’s fave fish wrap, and scoff at the misdeeds of the men who do things is easy, but it is markedly ineffective. It is what evil men count upon and they can chortle my balls.”
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:50 pmI don’t know what that means, but I am the pundit who is on vacation.
Patterico (108de2) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:50 pm@ Kevin M: I recall George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush both going to Congress and to the U.N. as they assembled their coalitions of the willing for the Gulf War, the Afghan War, and the Iraq War. Each of them genuinely exhausted all diplomatic alternatives; opponents to war had no basis to argue otherwise, and both Bush presidents followed the Constitution scrupulously while also building public support, within and without America.
I don’t recall any of them angling for a Nobel Prize en route. I don’t recall their press secretaries bragging that they were the “best negotiator in the world.” I don’t recall them running for office on promises that international relationships will be easy, that they were smart and everyone before them was stupid, and that they were the only one who could solve the nation’s problems.
Trump is flailing around. He’s not up to this job. I don’t say that because I want death and destruction for our fellow Americans. I just want a POTUS who’s at least minimally competent and who can see the world beyond his own massive ego.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:50 pmHe’d be a rascal, that guy!
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:51 pmTrump is flailing around. He’s not up to this job. I don’t say that because I want death and destruction for our fellow Americans. I just want a POTUS who’s at least minimally competent and who can see the world beyond his own massive ego.
No sh1t. So do I. What would you suggest?
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:53 pmYawn.
Anonymous (ea5569) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:58 pmWhat were the diplomatic alternatives after Iraq invaded Kuwait?
What were the diplomatic alternatives with Afghanistan after 9/11?
The only country that there may have been diplomatic alternatives with was the Iraq war that Bush washed his hands of.
You want a preemptive invasion of NK now?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 12:59 pm114…114…
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:02 pm@tehTedMan…
Nothing in this world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty… especially for your enemies. You hear that, Wilson? I got yer woodie hangin’… right here.
You want a preemptive invasion of NK now?
You want to do it when they have H-bombs that can hit the west coast?
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:02 pm@ Kevin M: Oh, I have a long list of things to suggest to Trump, starting with taking a sledgehammer to his damn cellphones. But I don’t have anything to suggest to you, me, or other readers here except that we be realistic and honest in assessing this. Pretending that this has been a step in the right direction is not constructive. But as your comment suggests, we’re all stuck with the fact that Trump is the POTUS we have, not the POTUS who could either make peace or lead us into war.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:04 pm17.:
Great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ. Bit of column A, bit of column B.
I was pleasantly surprised to see this neat little bit of turnabout and such a charming little break-up note (the nuclear threat being notably off-key), from Trump of all people.
Interesting times.
JP (b39be7) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:06 pmDRJ, at 101: he isn’t insulting people, he’s just telling the truth, while the people who are insulting him are spreading fake news.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:06 pm130,If I understand Beldar, we should wait until we are attacked, or invade in such an unprepared way that the entire region is thrown into long lasting chaos.
I prefer giving actual diplomacy, with hard line language, a little bit of a chance, instead of raising a white flag and applauding a poorly written SNL takedown of our country.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:07 pmI say replace Trump with Beldar. Beldar would have those commie running dogs and lickspittles whipped into shape in no time at all. Or he’d see ‘em in court. Take that, Fathead Kim!
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:07 pmThe problem here isn’t really Trump. It’s that the Democrats STILL refuse to accept they lost the election. The lock-step Congressional NO votes — even when YES would serve them better — tell me that they wouldn’t consider giving Trump an AUMF if Mexico invaded Arizona.
THEY are willing to visit “death and destruction” on our fellow Americans, if Trump got hurt, too. The press continues to cover for them, too (made easier by Trump’s need to see his face on TV).
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:08 pmWhich modern Presidents have refused to use diplomacy with North Korea? I thought all of them have used diplomacy. It’s not as if Trump is the first to try or as if his efforts are likely to work out any better. I understand why he wants to try but he isn’t likely to have better results.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:11 pm@ BuDuh, who wrote (#134):
You don’t. You’re not remotely close. You should stop trying to make stuff up and attribute it to me.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:12 pmPretending that this has been a step in the right direction is not constructive.
I believe that, in the abstract, bending over backwards to negotiate a way out is better than not. It seems that we are back where we were before, but not really. A box has been checked off the list.
Now, could this play have been executed better? Let’s ask former SecState Tillerson.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:12 pmGood point, DRJ.
Trump is using diplomacy.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:15 pmI read Beldar as saying that we will need to act militarily and possibly unilaterally, AND that Trump’s [clumsy] attempt at negotiating made that harder. I disagree in the latter only, and say that no one will vote against Trump BECAUSE of this failure. They were already voting no.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:15 pmTrump sends mixed messages. He also seems to be itching for war.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:26 pmSome describe his diplomacy as a word salad. Frankly I don’t think any President knows what to do with dictators like Kim. Ultimately we usually end up deposing them or helping a coup depose them.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:27 pmThe republican party is now populist and supports trump. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
newday (8c2a45) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:31 pmthe jeff bezos propaganda sluts say salad is overrated (their word) (for salad) (because they’re fags)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:32 pmNK was unable to commit to total denuclearization prior to this tumultuous week. Trump has sent zero mixed signals on that demand.
NK tried a power play and failed. Trump checked them after they blew up their nuke site in front of CNN. Smart diplomacy in action.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:33 pmwe will need to act militarily
lol the sleazy incompetent tranny-trash mattis military’s choking on afghanistan like they’re craving a heinie lick
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:35 pmDJT seems to have actually listened to Bolton. The dude who worships “The Deal” and wallowed in the praise from those who typically are his enemies when he boldly accepted Kim’s invitation, consciously chose to eschew such satisfactions.
I would have bet, and was greatly concerned, that he would give away the store as so many previous U.S. potentates (we have emperors anymore) have done simply to assuage his ego. He is notorious for ignoring his assistants and advisors. He has craved the attention of the masses. Yet, he pretty much shut down an all-time opportunity to bask in the glow of a voracious media with a bottomless need for controversy and “new.” This was his “China” moment. And now it is not.
I still don’t trust him.
Ed from SFV (b95465) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:41 pm113. Beldar:
Not counting Jimmy Carter I suppose – presumably you mean “sitting” Presidents.
JP (b39be7) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:45 pmLeviticus,
Imagine a world with a global strike capable north korea
EPWJ (326209) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:53 pm@ JP (#149): Yup, fair point. I was excluding disgraced ex-Presidents who can’t accept the fact that they got beaten at the polls like a rented mule for very good reasons, including his cataclysmic naivete in foreign relations.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:55 pmHe was just turning our collective other cheek.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:07 pmKevin M: what course of action would you recommend for someone in Congress who believes North Korea is a threat that we have to deal with, but who does not trust Trump’s skill or ability enough to believe that an authorization to use military force would be used wisely and/or believes that Trump would inevitably use such an instrument in a way that causes more harm to the country than it averts?
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:10 pmhappyfeet, at 145: excuse me?
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:11 pmTrump sends mixed messages. He also seems to be itching for war.
I am resigned to war and only the fact that Gen Mattis is in charge keeps me from despair. NK cannot be allowed to make a mockery of the NNPT. If the example is not made now, it never will be, and all those countries that got heavy water reactors as a result of signing will be released of their obligation not to pursue nukes. Any war we have now will be FAR better than the wars we have then.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:11 pm151. Beldar:
Point taken. It’s probably fair to say that Carter having chats with the Supreme Leader in his own backyard isn’t quite the same thing as formal, open negotiations, either.
JP (b39be7) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:13 pmIs he notorious because reporters report that anonymous sources say he is notorious or is there an actual verifiable list, post inauguration, of him ignoring his advisors?
I remember him getting a lot of advice during the campaign on how to win that he ignored. Then he won.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:15 pmwhat course of action would you recommend for someone in Congress who believes North Korea is a threat that we have to deal with, but who does not trust Trump’s skill or ability …
Well, a Constitutional amendment reseating the powers of Commander-in-Chief would be one option. Somewhat easier would be impeaching him for incompetence and/or conduct unbecoming. I guess you could trump up some other “cospiracy” charges and impeach him on that basis but the collateral damage is terrible. And none of that leads to national cohesion.
This is one of those situations where the parliamentary system is better, although you could attempt to have better candidates. This last election wasn’t exactly Jeb Bartlett vs Jack Ryan.
Basically, you go to war with the president you have. And, assuming you never go to war when it’s unnecessary, you just have to accept suboptimum results. Presumably living with the “peace” is worse.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:19 pm@ DRJ, who wrote (#143):
For an American President to be successful at either diplomacy or war, he must first have earned and banked sufficient political capital, domestically, to be credible in his leadership abroad. Reagan was able to resist the Soviet Union successfully, and ultimately to win the Cold War, based on those defense budgets and key votes on things like intermediate-range nuclear missiles and Star Wars. The affirmative and bipartisan votes in Congress authorizing the use of military force in the Gulf War, the Afghan War, and the Iraq War gave Bush-41 and Bush-43 the constitutional and moral authority to lead the country to war.
Obama, dealing with the Iranians, wasn’t committed to preventing them from getting nukes to begin with, so that deal was foredoomed from the outset anyway; but he certainly had less leverage at the table precisely because he’d gone to such links (with the connivance of some very foolish Congresscritters) to evade the Constitution’s requirement that treaties, to bind the U.S., must be ratified in the Senate, and because it was so obvious that Obama couldn’t deliver any such ratification, and neither was it backed up with any credible threat of force in the alternative to diplomacy.
It’s fair to point out that Trump inherited bad situations in both Iran and North Korea. It’s fair to point out that even a brilliantly diplomatic U.S. POTUS, an honest Nixon or a George H.W. Bush, would have a very hard time overcoming domestic partisanship and accruing the necessarily political capital to spend in pursuit of either diplomacy or war. Indeed, that was all clear in 2016 — which was one of the principle reasons I couldn’t cast a vote for either Trump or Hillary, neither of whom I think are even minimally competent at international diplomacy.
To his credit, Trump said today — contrary to what some of his supporters are arguing, here and elsewhere — that this was a “set-back” for both North Korea and the world. Acknowledging it as a set-back, and not as some brilliant oblique maneuver that’s going to result in some wonderful surprise right around the corner, is the minimum requirement for the Trump Administration going forward. That’s not the same thing as saying it’s all, or mostly, Trump’s fault.
But his overselling and under-delivering hurts the United States.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:20 pmWhose Being firing off rockets for the better part of a year now. Now if attacked we will retaliate, to avoid an emp level event we might have to preempt.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:21 pm* gone to such lengths, I meant to write in #159
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:21 pmMoons adviser Cheng really thought you could cross that bridge ultimately you can’t
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:23 pmPresident Trump is good on America cause number one the norkers haven’t nuked anybody and number two we’re producing a lot of oil.
Also the stupid Iran deal is completely over with and dead not unlike half the cast of Glee.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:24 pmI think Trump’s policy toward North Korea is one of pressure and engagement, essentially a carrot-and-stick policy. The carrot/engagement part is through diplomacy and the stick/pressure part is the military threat. This is not a new American strategy, and the only reason it seems new is that Trump’s rhetoric is often unpredictable and prone to showmanship.
But Kim is unpredictable and prone to showmanship, too. Blowing up the tunnels at the nuclear test site was dramatic but also eliminated any ability to verify what was there and what NK gave up (if anything, since many think the facility had already been destroyed).
DRJ (15874d) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:34 pmBeldar,
To me, the important part is that the US and South Korea, et al, stand firm together. The worst thing that could happen (other than nuclear war) is that the North Koreans and/or the Chinese drive a wedge between the US and its allies in the region.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:38 pmwhat course of action would you recommend for someone in Congress who believes North Korea is a threat that we have to deal with, but who does not trust Trump’s skill or ability …
This is of course, why Obama never asked for an AUMF in Syria. After the debacle of Libya, when we could not topple a dictator after several months of effort, or even keep our ambassador alive, Obama’s abilities were suspect. Something confirmed by the metastasizing of ISIS.
The ability of the Trump administration to kill ISIS in less than a year, when all Obama could do is wring his hands, gives me some confidence in his generals and Trump’s ability to let the generals run things. But I admit I would have no problem naming a dozen better CinCs.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:38 pmI appreciate the heads up on Trump’s “setback” statement, Beldar.
Here is a video.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161042859025725&id=153080620724
Sounds like our allies are still united with us.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:41 pmI still don’t trust him.
Ed from SFV (b95465) — 5/24/2018 @ 1:41 pm
I came back and started backtracking, up from the latest comment and imagine my surprise to read you weren’t talking about the NoKo leader but about the POTUS.
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:42 pm104.This week’s SNL open writes itself, doesn’t it?
It has to; they wrapped their season last week.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:54 pmI want to be the Gene Gene the Dancing Machine of punditry.
I know who the Charles Nelson Reilly is…..
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:56 pmPresident Trump’s a baller i love how he makes it look so easy but actually it’s super-complicated to where everyone’s like oh my goodness i’m so perplexed at all the complexity.
He’s such a baller!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:57 pm109 — it would be a great cold opening for SNL, except for the fact that SNL closed their season last weekend.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:02 pmThis is a major cock-up. Trump owns it.
Stormy testimony or merely coaching a witness.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:04 pmSouth Korea hasn’t had an erection since Maddy Albright shimmied throough in the mid-90s.
They’re a loathsome self-loathing and cowardly state, not fit for being anyone’s ally, except perhaps the US Navy lol.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:08 pmikes early 2000’s i guess it was
Alexa says pappy horndog bush and herpes bill were president in the 90s
thanks Alexa
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:11 pm@174. Moon got mooned, Mr. Feet; 99% certainty.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:11 pmsomeone should make a chart where they list all the foppish coward-ass useless US presidents in order
i’d click on that
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:12 pmKing’s X+Korn+Lynch Mob = Real Obama Parody KXM
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:14 pmoh my goodness that’s boisterous
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:14 pmIt has to; they wrapped their season last week.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 2:54 pm
Yeah, now it’s Rehab Season.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:15 pmlook like someone got a case o’ the slims
is this one of Natalie Portman’s side projects
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:16 pmBelieve me, if something big enough anti-Trump goes down, they’ll not only bust out a new episode this summer, they’ll probably put it in prime time.
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:21 pmSorry to disagree, Beldar. This isn’t “Glengarry Glen Ross”. It’s “300”.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:21 pmTrump: Surrender your nukes!
Kim: Come and take them.
Trump: We have so many missiles, they’ll hide the sun.
Kim: Then you won’t see ours when they take out your West Coast.
Trump:
Kim:
Trump:
Kim:
Believe me, if something big enough anti-Trump goes down, they’ll not only bust out a new episode this summer, they’ll probably put it in prime time.
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:21 pm
There’s a very special episode where Jared takes a bath upstairs at the bike shop.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:23 pmlol nukes on the west coast
that’s like doing terrorisms on a cable tv provider
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:23 pmThere will be no closing unless it’s Iraq style and China won’t let us do that. The best that can be achieved is decades of spying up Kim’s (or his replacement’s) wazoo to make sure he is not building nukes in his basement while we feed him, allow him access to the West, and otherwise help him transform his dysfunctional dictatorship into a 1970s Chinese one.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:26 pmSorry to disagree, Beldar. This isn’t “Glengarry Glen Ross”. It’s “300”.
Trump: Surrender your nukes!
Kim: Come and take them.
Trump: We have so many missiles, they’ll hide the sun.
Kim: Then you won’t see ours when they take out your West Coast.
Trump:
Kim:
Trump:
Kim:
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:21 pm
Trump could always drag Un behind a chariot around the walls of Pyongyang .
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:28 pmor we can pull our hapless tatters off the kimchi peninsula and see if maybe the limpdick sokos have some kind of latent survival reflex
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:29 pm@143. Some describe his diplomacy as a word salad.
Well, we know how he feels about anything Macy.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:32 pm@ Pin: “The 300” is a pretty entertaining movie, alright, and I can see some parallels, but only if I spend 98% of my attention on suppressing visions of either Trump or Kim in those costumes.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:32 pmWould you like to look at a map? The Korean Peninsula is a very strategic place.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:33 pmThat was to happyfeet.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:34 pmcowardly slutboy john mccain praises president donald trump, eats pudding, naps
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:35 pmthe kimchi peninsula is no less strategic if the norks over-run the south and pillage all their starwars
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:36 pm@183. Our Captain is a TeeVee man; this isn’t Glengarry Glen Ross or 300; it’s Laugh-In— complete w/a joke wall.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:38 pmWell its between manchurian china and their former Japanese colonizers
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:38 pm@ nk (#186): I wish I could argue with your prediction, but I can’t disagree that you’ve probably described the best-realistic-case scenario that might yet be worked out, if Trump somehow (via China or otherwise) gets traction that’s probably not available short of regime decapitation and its ugly, bloody consequences.
My “most-likely scenario” right now remains: Nothing happens to seriously restrain or stop either Iran or the Norks, and one of them will actually use nukes against us or our allies, which will trigger another 9/11-type reaction that will end with American tanks and troops in Pyongyang and Tehran for the next five decades or longer.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:40 pmin ww2 who comforted women the most?
yes yes it was the Nippers!
the sokos? Not so much.
cause they’re a race of sexless eunuchs who make hyundais
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:41 pmDRJ
What i heard was the number 2 of north korea said they were going to fire nuclear missles at us. They also violated the protocol agreed on by being silent, not attending meetings.
EPWJ (0d53bb) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:45 pm@ DRJ (#164 & 165): Ditto, so stipulated.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:46 pmWhat makes this awkward:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2012/12/26/national/formed-in-childhood-roots-of-abes-conservatism-go-deep/
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:52 pm171.President Trump’s a baller i love how he makes it look so easy but actually it’s super-complicated to where everyone’s like oh my goodness i’m so perplexed at all the complexity. He’s such a baller!
More Stormy testimony or are you coaching the witness, too, Mr. Feet?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 3:53 pmballer
A thug that has “made it” to the big time. Originally refered ball players that made it out of the streets to make millions as a pro ball player, but now is used to describe any thug that is living large.
Pain is a part of the game when you’re a baller.
Mmm, maybe.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:00 pmBandera and stetko and lebed, mentioned up thread, only arose because the soviets crushed this fellow:http://www.ukemonde.com/murderbymoscow/petlura.html
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:00 pmi love him he’s my everything
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:01 pmdon’t make fun
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:02 pmJust in, nk pleading for talks….
Of course this is fox so take it w a grain or two, thrree, forty thousand…
However gleeful celebrations by some that the efforts to protect ourselves failed maybe premature
EPWJ (0d53bb) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:02 pm@180. Yeah, now it’s Rehab Season. Pinandpuller — 5/24/2018 @ 3:15 pm
You ain’t kiddin’ PP; interviewed a SNL writer for a freelance project back in the day at CBS and the poor kid was all of 26 and completely coked out. “We burn out fast, there,” was actually part of her pitch.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:03 pmWhen i say nk, i mean nk, not nk. Both nk and nk have issues w trump, nk have their issues w trump, and nk has his own issues w trump. Theyre not the same issues
EPWJ (0d53bb) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:05 pmlol Barbara moo-cow Bush the most cheated-on bovine in America
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:06 pmIt’s sad that you can’t see the difference between the two cases.
Anon Y. Mous (6cc438) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:08 pm197 — if either uses them against a US allie, there won’t be a Tehran or Pyong-Pong to occupy.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:08 pmWaPo is reporting it, too, EPWJ. But I wouldn’t call it “pleading”. More like North Korean SOP: “We’re willing to talk but you fascist imperialistic warmongers want our blood.”
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:09 pmnicely done
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:14 pmIn point of fact, we already have missiles than can target north Korea, with the soviets it was predicated on some eAstern european disturbance (day after) others posited a. Middle east intervention (countdown to looking glass)
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:16 pmI remember that. Not that we couldn’t hit North Korea with Minutemen from North Dakota, but it’s important not to have the Russians think we’re attacking them when their satellites spot them.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:20 pmTherein lies a problem, but after a nuclear attack, all. Its are off.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:23 pmTrump and his advisers are right that China changed North Korea’s position. Trump is wrong if he thinks this is all about money – that China (merely) wants to slow things down so they can get more comncessions on trade. But maybe north Korea can get really scared.
Trump went back to warbning north Korea about the relative military positions of the United States and North Korea. Maybe taht’ll work. North Korea is are going a little back toward its position of a a weeks before.
North Korea wants that summit. It doesn’t want steps taken to undermine the regime, or harm its military.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:25 pm206.don’t make fun
Is that how Stormy says ‘no’ to sex, Mr. Feet?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:25 pmMaybe North Korea will have to seriously diaarm (on China’s instructions) or the United States will figure out what China’s true goals are.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:26 pmHere is the statement that gave Trump reason to cancel with the NKs
And here is today’s statement, after Trump applied pressure, from a Korean news source
Oh if only Trump could be more like GW. Oh woe is me! Oh clutch the pearls, he is being played. Oh whine, whine!!
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:27 pmTrump cancelled the meeting because he doesn’t want to waste his time. He’s not looking for another Reykjavík – or possibly thinks that will be slower than what can happen iif he cancels the meeting.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:28 pmYes, all that name-calling of Pence was a test to see how much dirt we would eat in order to get them to talk to us, and Trump shoved it back in their faces and said “You eat it!” Well done, Mr. Trump!
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:31 pmIn other news:
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:32 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/thomasjoscelyn/status/999772534752112641?p=v
The comparison to Libya isn’t good, but the reason is not because the people might not revolt – this is maybe possible – but because North Korea still would have a threat without nuclear weapons, (artillery aimed at Seoul and U.S troops, for example) while Qaddafi was no threat to any NATO members without them.
I don’t think promising that Kim could (stay in power?) if he denucleralized was very good – but you notice Trump didn’t actually say that: He said he could live very well. Like in exile in China? (if he escaped in time.)
I think North Korea carefully studied his words. Trump didn’t say he could stay in power, even thoiugh the news media took it that way.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:34 pmOne of Kim’s goals is surely to appear reasonable and accommodating to the South Koreans and convince them that the US is standing in the way of improved relations between the Koreas.
Dave (445e97) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:42 pmhttps://legalinsurrection.com/2018/05/french-government-to-evict-illegal-paris-migrant-camps/
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:42 pm226… yes, good luck with that. I imagine that would be hard to pull off given Kim’s penchant for starving his subjects to death.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:51 pmYou would think they would have other priorities:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LahavHarkov/status/999638090598813697?p=v
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:52 pmWhat have you been up to, nk?
“What the hell is going on in Chicago? What the hell is happening there?”
— Donald Trump
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/24/2018 @ 4:54 pmThe last time he was here it was during the primaries and he never got off his plane. He just took a look outside and took off again.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:06 pmI wouldn’t want to stand anywhere near happtfool’s Karma wheel.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:12 pm*happyfool’s
damn typos.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:12 pmNothing happens to seriously restrain or stop either Iran or the Norks, and one of them will actually use nukes against us or our allies
Well, if Iran nukes the Israelis our only problem will be stopping the Israelis at 50 or so H-bombs. If the Norks hit South Korea, or God help them, Japan, our response will be less Biblical, but only because North Korea is smaller.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:17 pmJust in nk rekeasing more pleadings for talks anytime anywhere
Stay tuned
In other news heavy sanctions on nk and china are being relayed. All international acct which flow through the us are at risk
EPWJ (0d53bb) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:18 pmAlso trumps approval rating avg ties at this time the last two presidents at their first 18 months
EPWJ (0d53bb) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:20 pmTherein lies a problem, but after a nuclear attack, all bets are off.
And it is sooooo much easier to contain it when there are only a few nuclear powers involved. Suppose there were twenty.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:21 pmThat is the buck Rogers up to date scenario in the incorporated man. A chemical attack prompts a nuclear response from Israel against Arab statesm
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:22 pm#221: So that’s where Brett Kimberlin works now?
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:23 pmHe’s not looking for another Reykjavík
Why not? Reykjavik was probably the most successful meeting since WW2. Looking back, it marked the end of the Cold War.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:25 pmgrandmama used to play the buck rogers theme for me
but then i had to serve the bridge party
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:26 pmOne of Kim’s goals is surely to appear reasonable and accommodating to the South Koreans and convince them that the US is standing in the way of improved relations between the Koreas.
That worked so well for the East Germans.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:29 pmlol noko is just a game
if it were serious our lickspittle mattis military surely would have prepare for it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:30 pmugh *prepared* for it i mean
i been getting sneezy which means allergies which means mold … it’s been raining and overcast here for a lot of days
mold and cats is all the allergies i got left i think
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:32 pmWhy not? Reykjavik was probably the most successful meeting since WW2. Looking back, it marked the end of the Cold War.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:25 pm
What about Stanley Ann and Barak I in Selma? That was pretty unlikely as well.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:32 pmto be honest those were always the major ones going all the way back to mcgovern
the cat thing they call “dandruff” because science
oh but my first allergist was in fargo
fargo north dakota
they made a movie but they cut all the parts about my allergist i guess
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:38 pmBuDah – DJT was notorious for going through executives like feces through a goose. There has been a fair amount of culling in the administration as well. Then again, in the case of Omarosa, it was way overdue.
Ed from SFV (b95465) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:48 pmThe last time he was here it was during the primaries and he never got off his plane. He just took a look outside and took off again.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:06 pm
As I recall, there was a p*ssy riot.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:51 pmto be honest those were always the major ones going all the way back to mcgovern
the cat thing they call “dandruff” because science
oh but my first allergist was in fargo
fargo north dakota
they made a movie but they cut all the parts about my allergist i guess
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:38 pm
I’d like to take a non Trump fan like David French, divide his back up into 300 squares, micro imprint Trump tweets in each square and see which ones he reacts to worst.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 5:53 pmyes yes and then they had that torture thing they called “the truck”
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:08 pmpretty sure my allergist was produced by eli roth
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:09 pmIf you Chicago folks will hang a 40 from a tree in your yard it will tend to attract .22 Hornets away from your house.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:20 pmYour allergist’s Vanity Plate said BearJew?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:21 pmApparently they were allergic to the polls:
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:30 pmhttps://www.texastribune.org/2018/05/22/texas-primary-runoffs-results-who-won/
@216. Not that we couldn’t hit North Korea with Minutemen from North Dakota, but it’s important not to have the Russians think we’re attacking them when their satellites spot them.
And feelin’ groovy… sleep well.
Airmen charged with protecting a US nuclear missile base busted for taking LSD
WASHINGTON — One airman said he felt paranoia. Another marveled at the vibrant colors. A third admitted, “I absolutely just loved altering my mind.” Meet service members entrusted with guarding nuclear missiles that are among the most powerful in America’s arsenal. Air Force records obtained by The Associated Press show they bought, distributed and used the hallucinogen LSD and other mind-altering illegal drugs as part of a ring that operated undetected for months on a highly secure military base in Wyoming. After investigators closed in, one airman deserted to Mexico. “Although this sounds like something from a movie, it isn’t,” said Capt. Charles Grimsley, the lead prosecutor of one of several courts-martial. A slipup on social media by one airman enabled investigators to crack the drug ring at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in March 2016, details of which are reported here for the first time.
Fourteen airmen were disciplined. Six of them were convicted in courts-martial of LSD use or distribution or both. None of the airmen was accused of using drugs on duty. Yet it’s another blow to the reputation of the Air Force’s nuclear missile corps, which is capable of unleashing hell in the form of Minuteman 3 intercontinental ballistic missiles, or ICBMs. The corps has struggled at times with misbehavior, mismanagement and low morale.’ -source, AP, airforcetimes.com
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:31 pmNo David from provides a much large area for exploration
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:34 pmAn old friend reappears
Kishnevi (417b3c) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:36 pmhttp://q13fox.com/2018/05/24/ex-spokane-naacp-head-rachel-dolezal-charged-with-welfare-fraud/amp/
A link for the AF story
Kishnevi (417b3c) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:38 pmhttps://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/us-air-force-airment-lsd-cocaine-warren-air-force-base-wyoming-nuclear-missile-sites-records-show/
Well it was that bad in the carter years more bolivian import than home brew from Novartis parent company
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:40 pmIllinois
Land of Lincoln
KLNNZS
BMW & Mercedes Benz of Skokie, Il
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:42 pm257… Dolezal should hook up with that Talcum X, kishnevi.
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:43 pmlove how the propaganda sluts at the AP are shocked shocked shocked to find drug-addicted tatted-up losers in the US military
pull the other one it has metaphorical bells on it, AP propaganda sluts
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:44 pmRemember when this was a thing:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/05/myanmar-new-evidence-reveals-rohingya-armed-group-massacred-scores-in-rakhine-state/
narciso (d1f714) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:50 pmpinot noir
myanmar
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 6:51 pmMollie
✔
@MZHemingway
Many many DC folks repeatedly said that Trump was going to get a bad North Korea deal because he was signaling he desperately wanted a deal. I’m shocked, shocked that they read that wrong.
6:59 AM – May 24, 2018
I’ve heard it’s not just the DC folks who took that line…
Colonel Haiku (e208fd) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:04 pmMr. Colonel the likeliest scenario is an agreement that allows Trump to declare victory, lifts sanctions, and accomplishes nothing verifiable.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:08 pm260, it didn’t take outside of Ben Smith in ’99, considering a Thaksgiving pastime is the Jews vs. Hindus football game (of course they both stock up on black ringers from Rogers Park and SW Evanston).
urbanleftbehind (d15944) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:09 pmDoes anybody else have the impression that Trump is giving the world the impression that he does not give a sh!t about “world opinion”, and the aggressive panhandler guilt trips laid on by the Palestinians, the Iranians, and the North Koreans, that worked on past presidents, are not going to work on him?
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:09 pmmeanwhile what’s wrong with this 90-year-old repressed homo?
vitamin deficiency you think?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:10 pmDoes anybody else have the impression that Trump is
awesome?
I did!
I love this man.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:11 pmDoubtful, unless he’s got the skin C or …he was an avid surfer who now suffers arthritis
urbanleftbehind (d15944) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:13 pmThat’s dumb. Gays improve a neighborhood.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:29 pmRip Luis Posada carriles:
https://babalublog.com/2018/05/23/requiem-for-a-badass/
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:51 pm“That’s dumb. Gays improve a neighborhood”
And here I always thought gays were just like everyone else, good, bad and everything in-between.
Which groups (race, ethnicity or sexual orientation) do NOT improve a neighborhood?
harkin (2fa2ca) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:56 pmSo this David Briley guy won the mayoral race in Nashville. Republicans are planning on running a candidate next time that will give them more name recognition in the Hispanic community. Some guy named Holmes.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:03 pmThis like the o’rourke character that nash Jenkins in time magazine slobbered over.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:06 pmDoes anybody else have the impression that Trump is giving the world the impression that he does not give a sh!t about “world opinion”, and the aggressive panhandler guilt trips laid on by the Palestinians, the Iranians, and the North Koreans, that worked on past presidents, are not going to work on him?
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:09 pm
Sounds like a good time to revive the Triangle Trade. You trade Palestinians for poppies and heroin for Palestinians.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:07 pmThat’s dumb. Gays improve a neighborhood.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 7:29 pm
Do you not recall me telling you what some men in SF inflate on their bodies with propane?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:13 pmExcept for the Palestinians that was operation Cassandra goal
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/999842334396370944
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:14 pmRohrabacher is a jackass.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:14 pmTo be fair, the lesbians next door could be demoing a non load bearing wall or getting more DV on their records before they take a road trip on the PCH.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:15 pmI always get him mixed up with B1 Bob Dornan.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:16 pmHe was in a little known film straighter from 1964, his seat was stolen by the denser sanchez gal In 96
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:19 pmHey mr nk, would it be cost effective for the citizens of IL to build a wall and guard towers around your governor’s residence?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:20 pmHe was a,speech writer for Reagan, was a,supporter of the contras and the mujahadeen, in other words he was against the Russians when it mattered.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:22 pmThey’re both like characters from a James Elroy novel.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:23 pmStarfighter, what does lgbt rights amount to now, call up memories pizza.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:24 pmAn eight-foot chain-link fence should be enough. Governors are minimum security prisoners. A part-time guard to bring them their meals and exercise them.
nk (dbc370) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:28 pmI think the dirt ocean rebellion is a bunch of hype – if its a blue shart instead of wave, Rauner squeaks back in.
urbanleftbehind (d15944) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:38 pmWho do they have to challenge him that Kennedy whelp?
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:41 pmNo, the fat hotelier.
urbanleftbehind (d15944) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:43 pmAnd hell yes im glad Aunt Ruckus lost, Nolensville Road can breathe easy, despite that toothless ley.
urbanleftbehind (d15944) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:44 pmComo translate that for me, do you mean ives.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:46 pmNo, Carolyn Swain in Nashville.
urbanleftbehind (d15944) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:47 pmThe pritzker cat, whose sister was the one that deepsixed superior bank, so mAke her commerce secretary.
narciso (95d175) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:47 pmThe fat hotelier is JB Pritzker (Hyatt scion).
urbanleftbehind (d15944) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:48 pmAnd hell yes im glad Aunt Ruckus lost, Nolensville Road can breathe easy, despite that toothless ley.
urbanleftbehind (d15944) — 5/24/2018 @ 8:44 pm
Never the Swain shall meet. Lawd-ah glory!!!
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/24/2018 @ 9:07 pmend of day we know the trashy-ass weak-b!tch US mattis military is too weak cowardly and incompetent to take on north korea (they mostly just beg for money like tranny diabetes homeless so disgusting)
end of day we know food stamp never tried
end of day
I love you Mr. President Trump
keep fighting
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:18 pmWho can credit anything Clapper says from this point forward:
Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper writes in his new book, “Facts and Fears” that he has “no doubt” the Russian influence campaign swung the 2016 presidential election to Donald Trump.
MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow read a short excerpt from the book, available now, ahead of an interview with Clapper Tuesday night.
In January 5, 2017, under oath before Congress, and only two weeks before he lost his ability to access and review raw intelligence, Clapper testified as follows:
That just happens to be the same day the IC chiefs briefed Obama on the IC’s assessment of the Russian efforts to influence the election.
Liars gotta lie.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:31 pmClapper is a doof. Doesn’t even seem like a smart guy.
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/25/2018 @ 1:32 amFound this site with several good essays on Spygate.
https://www.themarketswork.com/ (scroll down to “recent posts”…there are chronologies and such)
Not perfect of course (hard with all the details), but all in all pretty sound and well done synthesis and analysis.
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/25/2018 @ 1:35 amAnon #300 says, “Clapper is a doof. Doesn’t even seem like a smart guy.”
Lets see……. Clapper is the former Director of National Intelligence. A career intelligence officer, Clapper has held several key positions within the United States Intelligence Community. He served as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) from 1992 until 1995. He was the first director of defense intelligence within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and simultaneously the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.[3] He served as the director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). (Wikipedia)
You must really be smart, Anonymous, to think that this guy is a “doof”. Wow. Congratulations.
noel (b4d580) — 5/25/2018 @ 4:17 amBill Clinton is much smarter and a much more natural liar. Clapper can’t even keep his “least untruthful statements” straight. I imagine the secret of his success was knowing what to kiss and when, an indispensable trait for achieving general rank.
nk (dbc370) — 5/25/2018 @ 4:39 am302:
Being a flag doesn’t mean you are sharp–look at Tommy Franks.
Schumer is a bright guy.
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/25/2018 @ 4:55 amnoel, if you have ever met a General, you would know that 100% of them are political, and 50% of them have any brains.
Steven Malynn (1da71a) — 5/25/2018 @ 5:04 amVery interesting
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/999971153811857408.html
narciso (95d175) — 5/25/2018 @ 5:46 amUmm…hey boys (and girl(s)?)…Heard on the radio driving in (can’t find any links right now though) that the Norks are now saying they’re willing to meet anytime, anywhere. It’s all a big miscommunication. Or that was the report anyway. Sounds like a cave-in. But unlike some people here, I ain’t omniscient. Can’t imagine the burden of responsibility one must have with powers like that.
Skorcher (5b282a) — 5/25/2018 @ 5:50 amWill there be a new Trumpalo open thread where we can have reasonable discourse on possible self writing SNL cold openings?
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/25/2018 @ 5:56 amThe answer is “yes.”
BuDuh (fc15db) — 5/25/2018 @ 6:04 amWho knows, Skorcher? NBC thinks it knows but we may never know:
DRJ (15874d) — 5/25/2018 @ 9:03 amthat’s just the gorilla channel
https://amgreatness.com/2018/05/24/watergate-done-legally-the-predictable-truth-about-spying/
narciso (d1f714) — 5/25/2018 @ 9:04 am307, methinks Trump wanted to be in the District when the Caps won the Cup.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/25/2018 @ 9:06 amhe’s looking like mikey in the life cereal commercials,
https://twitter.com/PodSaveAmerica/status/999717335274610689
narciso (d1f714) — 5/25/2018 @ 9:11 am299. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 5/24/2018 @ 10:31 pm
The original statement wasn’t a problem. Russia tried to influence the election but they have no idea what effect t=it had.
Now, suddenly in his book:
‘they swung the election to a Trump win’
Ofg course theer’s adifferenece between the IC coimmunity and Clkapper himself.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/25/2018 @ 1:04 pmmethinks Trump wanted to be in the District when the Caps won the Cup.
Methinks if Trump is a hockey fan, he’s no fan of a DC team. Go whatevs Vegas is called.
Skorcher (8590af) — 5/25/2018 @ 7:08 pmI see Kim is willing to talk. Funny. He didn’t send anybody to Singapore to prepare the meeting. But, now that Trump did his thing….Kim’s willing to talk.
Richard Aubrey (10ef71) — 5/26/2018 @ 4:21 amDon’t you just HATE it when things work out?
We have to let these things play out. International relations takes time. Something like this is much more about how things develop for our nation than little people in threads saying neener neener Trump looks bad. And the converse, I agree. Still MOST people should be willing to trade off Trump getting to brag, with situation improving on Korean peninsula (in case things do work out).
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/26/2018 @ 5:02 amAnon. You sure about that last sentence? Best that happens is the eagerly awaited catastrophe doesn’t materialize, something useful happens….and……. and….. crickets.
Richard Aubrey (10ef71) — 5/26/2018 @ 5:09 amYeah, but its likely the DC team with the least insufferable (to Trump) fan base (the REDSKINS may have the old school Vuhginians, but their balanced out by PGC).
urbanleftbehind (53fff1) — 5/26/2018 @ 5:27 amI still remember the Washington Post going after George Allen because he and Nixon got along.
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/26/2018 @ 5:29 amYeah, way to go Papa Bear Halas, we wouldnt have wasted the knees of Sayers and Butkus, pardon the source, Mr. P:
urbanleftbehind (53fff1) — 5/26/2018 @ 5:42 amhttp://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/17/sports/la-sp-sn-gatorade-george-allen-20120517