C-SPAN Maligns Trump with Unfair Edit in Quote on Immigration
Watch this clip:
President Trump during California #SanctuaryCities Roundtable: "These aren't people. These are animals."
Full video here: https://t.co/alyS47LI5V pic.twitter.com/ifXicTHHP0
— CSPAN (@cspan) May 16, 2018
Now watch this edit, which I created (h/t Josh Jordan, whose tweet I saw on Allahpundit’s Twitter feed), which backs up the conversation about 45 seconds to give you critical context that C-SPAN left out:
He wasn’t talking about regular folks being deported. He was talking about MS-13 gang members.
And the situation he is talking about, which has been created by California and its insane open borders government, is indeed intolerable.
Dirty pool. But this is how dishonest people fight.
The answer is not to create our own misleading and dishonest clips, by the way. The answer is to point out their dishonesty. That’s not the whole answer, but it’s a good start. So spread the word. Let your friends know what C-SPAN did here.
[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]
Ding.
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/16/2018 @ 8:49 pmI’m not surprised. The goal is to create a narrative. “Teh Narrative,” as the saying goes.
Since most people, Right or Left, tend to think in bumper sticker slogans, it is a useful tool to keep factions fighting, raise money, get clicks, whatever benefits the creator of such simplistic drivel.
Something to consider: I believe that the way the press so clearly treats Trump in an unfair fashion (compared to politicians they like) just drives people to want to support him—even with his faults.
This in turn allows more articles and bumper stickers and more money to be raised. On both sides.
Why, it’s almost like it has nothing to do with the facts…but instead a kabuki theater designed to keep folks who just look at headlines outraged and yelling.
Wink.
Simon Jester (ad6a15) — 5/16/2018 @ 8:51 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtaA2SO_4oA
Simon Jester (ad6a15) — 5/16/2018 @ 8:52 pmThanks, that surprising because even univision admitted he wee referring to Ms 13
narciso (d1f714) — 5/16/2018 @ 8:52 pm“He wasn’t talking about regular citizens being deported. “
Well, I would hope not.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/16/2018 @ 8:55 pmYeah, rv, right before I saw your comment I noticed that and changed it to “folks.”
Al*most* caught it before you saw it…
Patterico (115b1f) — 5/16/2018 @ 8:56 pmMan cspan has really gone down hill, if they are doing this
narciso (d1f714) — 5/16/2018 @ 8:58 pmSomething to consider: I believe that the way the press so clearly treats Trump in an unfair fashion (compared to politicians they like) just drives people to want to support him—even with his faults.
Defend him, at least, in my case. And to further confirm the truth of Mark Twain’s quip. As if it needed more confirming.
nk (dbc370) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:00 pmIt’s getting to the point where the #1 thing I hate about liberals by far, is the way they force me into defending Donald Trump. I don’t like it, but I recognize it’s the right thing to do. And so here we are.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:06 pm8. Of course you can defend Trump from genuinely unfair attacks, but that in no way shape or form invalidates otherwise valid criticism of the man. Even ugly truths are necessary.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:07 pmThey have a well deserved reputation for being non-partisan. It would be a shame if they dropped that as an institutional value. It may just be one person who promotes them on social media that used poor judgement in search of clicks. I guess time will tell if this was just a one-off or if it is part of their new normal.
Anon Y. Mous (6cc438) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:09 pmWe should acknowledge that there are likely almost as many people who are outraged at calling MS-13 members “animals”.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:12 pmThe Hill followed suit with an incredibly tendentious headline along the same lines (illegals are animals)… which you can see reflected in the comments there. But they fixed the headline in about 6 minutes.
Last I saw they were still using the CSPAN fake news propaganda slut tweet though.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:15 pmProbably so, but when even univision sheepishly admits the truth?
narciso (d1f714) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:16 pmSubmitted for the benefit of anyone who has been living in a cave recently and doesn’t know what MS-13 is.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:18 pmAcademia will pick this up, run with it… maybe even develop curricula around it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/16/2018 @ 9:59 pmSusan Swain never was, is not now, and never can be, half the person of integrity Brian Lamb is.
A few months ago, they set up Sharyl Attkisson with an intentionally contentious interviewer (an acknowledged major critic of her previous work) who proceeded to attack her and would not let it go when she had well explained her thinking. It was ugly. It also represented a sea change in their approach to interviewing authors.
The Progressives have bagged yet another kill of an institution where genuine truth seeking was the norm. No more.
Shame!
Ed from SFV (b95465) — 5/16/2018 @ 10:08 pmBetween this and Twitter admitting to shadowbanning and saying they’re going to increase it’s use, is there any doubt that we are up against an enemy that will do anything to destroy us to enforce their dictats?
NJRob (b00189) — 5/16/2018 @ 10:35 pmArticle confirms that Cohen’s bank records were illegally released by US official.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/missing-files-motivated-the-leak-of-michael-cohens-financial-records
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/16/2018 @ 11:22 pmI think that Patterico would agree that it’s counterproductive for Trump’s enemies to make up things he says.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:28 amThe answer is to point out their dishonesty
ROFLMAOPIP okay: years ago my attorney brother successfully sued someone seated at that roundtable for being just that: dishonest.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 5/17/2018 @ 2:36 amgood good
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:51 amThe $250M project in west Oakland is expected to bring thousands of jobs to a historically African-American neighborhood that is among the poorest and most polluted in the region.
[…]
The city’s opposition to coal operations appeared to stem largely from concerns about global warming, but it was “facially ridiculous to suggest that this one operation resulting in the consumption of coal in other countries will, in the grand scheme of things, pose a substantial global warming-related danger to people in Oakland,” the judge said.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:55 amWhy, they don’t think anyone will catch on till they’ve set the narrative, sometimes even after.
narciso (af134e) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:50 amCase in point:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/17/10-key-takeaways-from-new-york-times-error-ridden-defense-of-fbi-spying-on-trump-campaign/
narciso (af134e) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:32 amThey’re all #FakeNews scum. I saw this morning that the New York Daily News had the exact same headline on its front page. Where did I see the Daily News’s front page? As a jpeg in an unrelated Washington Post story. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/05/16/my-next-call-is-to-ice-watch-a-man-wig-out-because-workers-spoke-spanish-at-a-manhattan-deli/?utm_term=.05f7edbadfe0 Way to put it out there, and put it to Trump, without being accused of “misreporting”, WaPo.
Which is why I only trust content from Patterico. (And even he is not above trying to pass off a blue dress as yellow.)
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:33 amoh goodie
FBI lickspittle Chris Wray and the sleazy corrupt men and women of the FBI wanna become the regulatory authority for America’s telecommunications sector
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:33 amCNN, NYT, ABC News, C-SPAN Take Trump Out of Context to Falsely Suggest He Called Immigrants ‘Animals’
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:45 am“The New York Times has an awful, biased, misleading story ‘Code Name Crossfire Hurricane: The Secret Origins of the Trump Investigation.’ The piece is really a propaganda/PR piece for the intelligence community, extolling their virtues and how they toiled and battled with ethical dilemmas over the Clinton and Trump investigation. Gimme a break. It’s so obvious an attempt to get out in front of whatever will be revealed in the IG report.”
https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/thursdays-hot-mic-58/entry-230556/
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:47 amJulie Hirschfeld Davis / New York Times:
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:55 amDara Lind / Vox:
Trump on deported immigrants: “They’re not people. They’re animals.”
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:56 amUSA Today:
Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: ‘These aren’t people. These are animals.’
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:57 amI’ve changed my mind about Net Neutrality, ever since I found out that it only applied to the carriers like Verizon, ATT, and Comcast; and not to to the content providers like Patterico, Beldar and SayUncle. I want my computer to download Patterico at the same speed as the guys who have lunch at the White House (can you say Zuckerberg?) at no extra cost to Patterico or me.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:59 amIt’s still unacceptable language from a US president.
If these gang members are animals, why not declare open season and hunt them down Duterte-style? Animals have no human or civil rights, and killing them isn’t murder.
According to Christian teaching, God loves even the worst sinners. Should American citizens who belong to gangs also be described and treated as animals? If not, then it means these gang members are being dehumanized based on their nationality and/or ethnicity, doesn’t it?
If the president wants to convince people that a set of criminals is a blight on society, then let him describe their crimes in gory detail. Pull no punches. But the dehumanizing language Trump used is unacceptable, and it is wrong to excuse it in my opinion.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:02 amIt’s still unacceptable language from a US president.
Trump’s language is on behalf of those who live in neighborhoods and school districts where MS-13 has infiltrated. I take it that would exclude you, Dave.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:10 amwhich is how it was before food stamp did net neutrality all up in it
but why should zuckertwat’s filthbook get to hog limited bandwidth for free by moving aggressively into video streaming at the expense of sites like Mr. patterico’s
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:25 amthe dehumanizing language Trump used is unacceptable
that’s silly but even so how does that excuse propaganda slut Andrea Mitchell’s lies
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:26 amI’ll never understand. With so many ridiculous statements and actions to choose from, they decide to make up things to make him look bad.<blockquote
Jim (54c295) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:26 amC-span isn’t the only one to malign Trump. Trump maligned trump. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” Then he said that the “mob” takes the fifth.
Well. Trump won’t even meet with investigators…. much less do the “mob” thing and “take the fifth”. Now, I wouldn’t accuse the President of being a mobster but I may have to defer to his judgement on these matters.
noel (b4d580) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:31 amAnd describing other human beings as “not people” and “animals” helps those victims of crime how, exactly?
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:36 amlots of people are animals not just MS-13
Palestinians are a debased animal-like form of human for example
and dirty propaganda sluts like Andrea Mitchell certainly can’t be said to share a common humanity with normal people
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:39 amWell they have been poorly led from haj amin to his nephew to his chief fundraiser
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:52 amIm probably fine with the terminology, but Im speaking as someone who is less-than-Kevin Bacon from many Latin Kings; sadly that seems to be the missing app in areas where MS-13 rises up – the lack of legacy gangs to keep them in check. Absent the TPS wave of the late 90s and the border kid surge of twenty-teens, the earlier Salvadoran immigrants fleeing the Soccer War (1969) and early stages of the Civil War (late 70s) had a chance to be similar in some ways to the Cuban community, and in fact tended to be held in higher regard than the Chicano community in SoCal.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:59 amAnd describing other human beings as “not people” and “animals” helps those victims of crime how, exactly?
Because approaching it as a theoretical physics problem works so well. In theory, Dave, I grant you they are people just like us. A dose of “compassionate conservatism” should do the trick, informed by your first-hand knowledge of the problem.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:00 am41. I think the nameless victims of MS-13 crime might describe them a lot more harshly than Trump did. But what do I know? I’m just a white boy from South Dakota.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:02 am@40: noel’s distaste for the mob is tempered by his affection for Mueller’s mob tactics.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:05 amNot only nameless, but many as “falsely named” as the perps themselves, if you catch my drift.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:05 amI am listening to The Patriot 1150 am in LA and at the top of the hour it ran a Fox News report that played the Trump quote. It neglects to mention that the quote was in reference to MS – 13 gang members. It then went to Schumer capitalizes on it. Just how fair and balanced is Fox News?
AZ Bob (9a6ada) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:06 amMoronic ad hominem attack noted.
Are the constitution and the Bible to be dismissed as “theoretical physics” now?
The victims are free to describe them in any terms they like.
The victims are not the chief law enforcement officer of the United States.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:08 amPresident Trump is the number one best America Mr. Dave
he’s got the policies and the execution that make people sit up straight and take notice
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:12 amAn absolute textbook example of Fake News, and one of the reasons Trump won in ‘16.
Lol at those chiding him for referring to members of murderous criminal gangs as animals.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:14 amThe victims are free to describe them in any terms they like.
The victims are not the chief law enforcement officer of the United States.
I mentioned nothing about victims. MS-13 has infiltrated schools and neighborhoods, affecting everyone in ways that aren’t limited to violent crimes and the victims of those crimes. I guess the average Joe or Jane could call them animals in your theoretical world, if they want to become a target.
Maybe it’s nice to have the chief law enforcement officer tell it like it is, with no fear, on behalf of them. I know Dave, theoretically it’s all bogus and a blight on the office.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:18 amMeanwhile…..
“After offering the course for the past three years, Grinnell College in Iowa appears to have scrapped a course called ‘American Whiteness’ that referred to whiteness as ‘a very bad idea.’”
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10911
I wonder where CSPAN, the Times etc. have been while that was going down…..
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:18 amIf by “theoretically” you mean “according to the constitution and the Bible”, then yes.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:21 amThink of it this way:
One side calls murderous gang members animals.
One side offers murderous gang members sanctuary, stifles attempts to keep more from coming in and smears anyone objecting as racists.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:22 amTrump could have called them “dear, sweet, huggy-bunnies”, and Dave would accuse him of dehumanizing them.
You have no case, Dave. Look at what Trump actually said. It wasn’t even every Maricon Saleroso that he was talking about. It was the criminals who were being deported after having committed bestial crimes.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:30 amThink of it this way:
Wrong behavior does not excuse different wrong behavior.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:31 amI’m going to echo Popehat’s take on this, because it aligns with mine, and he says it better than I could:
“It’s reasonable to want Trump’s “animals” comment to be presented in context. It’s unreasonable — in fact, dishonest — to suggest that context is limited to the thirty seconds before he made it. The full context is Trump.
Also: “the media is overplaying its hand by claiming unequivocally that Trump was calling all illegal immigrants animals” is arguable. But “the context shows unequivocally that Trump only meant to be referring narrowly to M-13” is also overplaying your hand to a silly extent.
I mean “stop saying that the only possible interpretation of the comment is absolutely THAT! clearly the only possible interpretation of the comment is THIS!” is just not a good look.”
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/997117457067261953
Davethulhu (fab944) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:35 amSo if they’re “not people” and “animals” why not hunt them down for extra-judicial execution, Duterte-style, nk? Killing animals isn’t murder. Dangerous or threatening animals aren’t entitled to any due process.
Under what reading of the Constitution does a criminal forfeit their human rights, nk?
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:42 am59. I guess we once again need Trump lickers and Schlichterites to tell us what Trump really said, eh?
58. Then you and I have a fundamental difference as regards the definition of “wrong behavior.” And I’ll just leave it at that.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:45 amBingo.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:45 amRCP Poll in IN gives Braun 1-pt edge. Problem is the responders voted DJT only +8. Actual vote was +20. Yet another poll ridiculously weighted for Dems.
Ed from SFV (b95465) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:46 am60. Criminals forfeit their human rights all the time upon conviction. It’s called “prison.”
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:46 amIn what way were their human rights forfeited? Calling someone an “animal” is the equivalent of taking away their human rights? Whether under the law or any other way? What are you, one of those “speech is violence” nutcases?
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:48 amDang it, Dave, I just had an image of you wearing tampon earrings while stealing Lucian Wintrich’s speech notes.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:52 amYou’re talking about civil rights, not human rights.
He didn’t take away their human rights, he (the chief law enforcement officer of the United States) denied that they had any.
It’s no different from his casual encouragement of police to slam suspects’ heads into the doors of squad cars. Sure, nobody was directly harmed by his remarks. But it is wrong for the president of the United States to suggest certain criminals are not people, just as it is wrong to suggest gratuitously brutalizing them in police custody.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:56 amC-SPAN’s dirty doing sleazy propaganda lies all up in it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:56 amThe full context is Trump.
The full context is those who live the reality in neighborhoods and schools, enforced on them by a lax immigration policy.
I’m guessing that excludes Popehat.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:01 amI have zero respect for gangs, and though they do behave like ferocious brute beasts, they are still actually, people. Trump employs degrading language about people in general, which I find disturbing but not surprising. Abusive people behave abusively.
LJ (445277) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:07 amArgumentum ad hominem noted again. Is it your position then that only victims of crime (or perhaps residents of crime-ridden areas) can formulate valid opinions about the criminal justice system? If so, what qualifies Donald J. Trump for that exalted privilege?
And should all criminals be treated as animals then, or only the dark-skinned ones from Latin America? What is the limiting principle for this policy of dehumanization?
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:20 amLike mittens bungy cording a dog to the top of a station wagon
mg (9e54f8) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:20 amit’s pretty sleazy how popehat can’t clearly see the problem here
it’s the lying slutty press that’s forfeited the trust of the people and validated their reputation as fake news
no need to problematize it
it is what it is
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:21 amIf you’ve ever interacted with these thugs, you’d know they are animals who will kill at the drop of a hat or the slightest imagined disrespect. They destroy communities, run them through fear and violence and create a completely destruction of society and breakdown of trust.
They are animals in the worst, most violence sense of the word.
NJRob (b00189) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:25 amWhat if he had called them assholes? Calling someone an animal is mere invective. It’s not the same as telling cops to slam his head into a car door.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:27 amAnd invective is “mere” in America. It’s not actionable civilly under the defamation laws, and most states have repealed their “fighting words/breach of the peace” criminal defamation statutes.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:30 amIs it your position then that only victims of crime (or perhaps residents of crime-ridden areas) can formulate valid opinions about the criminal justice system?
They formulate more valid opinions, based on direct experience. Call it reverse-elitism. Maybe you can relate to that.
You are disgusted by Trump’s language. I’m disgusted by a Tim Cook or a Mark Zuckerberg, living in cloistered neighborhoods with walls, being all sanctimonious about immigration. I don’t know your situation, or Popehat’s, but unless you live with the reality your opinion doesn’t carry much weight, nor should it.
Trump doesn’t live that reality either, but he was elected to care about it. You weren’t.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:31 amNo need to guess. Popehat was a US Attorney, he involved in trying drug dealers.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:33 amThink of it this way:
Wrong behavior does not excuse different wrong behavior.Opening the borders to everyone including the worst of the worst is a malevolent act so far off the acceptable behavior grid that 0bama should’ve been prosecuted for it.
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:34 amWhether you like Trump or not, it is this dishonest reporting by the media that needs to be exposed. No self respecting journalist or news outlet would lead with all the BS headlines on this that I am seeing today. And that is what the republicans and every American should be exposing. Every news organization or reporter who posts or quotes this should be shunned as a hack and nothing more. This is the same trick they used in Charlottesville. Every time a reporter from an organization tries to ask a question it should be prefaced with exposing this BS before answering.
TomK (1cda1b) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:34 amTrump uses overblown language about everything and everyone, whether positive or negative. There’s only best and worst to hear him say it. If his entirety is your context, this present case does not mean much.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:35 amDang it, Dave, I just had an image of you wearing tampon earrings while stealing Lucian Wintrich’s speech notes.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:52 am
WTF do you think he got kicked out of the all-gurlz band in Doncaster for if it wasn’t his strange choice of accessories and the fact they were “used”?!?!
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:38 amLawyer question:
Re (19), could law enforcement obtain a warrant to search Avannti for the information on who leaked financial records (a likely crime)?
Can you use a search warrant to look for evidence of a crime that was not by the person who is searched? (Although perhaps a search could look for payments or collusion, so there could be some going after Avanti.)
Could search warrants then in general be used for many classified info leaks (even for reporters or the like).
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:39 amPopehat won’t be distracted by the facts, when he is in possession of THE TRUTH. His is the religion of the God-less true believer. He’s a parishioner of The Church of Fake But Accurate. They are legion, at least here in California.
It’s not that I am without sympathy for the faithful. As a child, for many years, I was convinced the Angels were the best team in baseball, despite the fact of their win-loss record. Hallelujah Jim Fregosi!
ThOR (d25d69) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:49 amI’ll be flexible and say he was speaking of all illegal that commit criminal offenses.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:01 amFirst off, ThOR, they were snakebit more so than plain bad. And Narciso, all illegal immigrants commit criminal offenses by their unauthorized presence, I think I qualifier like felonious or injurious might be of value here.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:08 amFull disclosure: a child I knew was shot and killed by an illegal alien/gang member who shot into a car in which the boy was a passenger. The boy had no connection to the shooter and was not a gang member. The Animal who did the shooting was Hispanic, as was his victim.
The proposition that to hate MS-13 is to hate all Hispanics is disgusting, but that’s how the White Liberal Elite – people like Popehat – chooses to see things. In so doing, they paint all Hispanics as violent criminals – exactly what they accuse Trump of doing – and they normalize gang violence. What sort of human being does that?
ThOR (d25d69) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:10 amMurder,assault, narcotics possession even dui non status crimes
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:10 amI can’t speak for Popehat, but my take is that the context being supplied here isn’t unequivocal, because the full context is Trump.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:17 amMexicans seem to understand President Trump. On Sunday, April 15th Mexico’s leftist presidential front-runner, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, said that corruption was to blame for U.S. President Donald Trump’s bad impression of Mexico.
Speaking in Rosarito, Baja California (near San Diego, just south of the U.S. border), Lopez Obrador said, “He invested here in Rosarito and also in Cozumel, Quintana Roo, and because of Mexico’s corrupt governments he had to leave, . . . That’s why he got a bad impression of our country.” The candidate promised to change Trump’s perception if elected. Here’s the link.
Does Popehat know THE TRUTH about the racist Lopez Obrador?
ThOR (d25d69) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:31 amIt is the specific reference to people as being “not people” and “animals” that is wrong.
If he’d called them violent criminals who commit acts of unspeakable cruelty and barbarity, the worst of the worst, the dregs of humanity, whatever, that would be fine.
If he’d called them assholes, that would be fine.
Calling a black person a n*gger would presumably also be “mere invective” then, wouldn’t it? Would you be OK with the president of the United States referring to Crips or Bloods as n*ggers? After all, it’s not the same thing as telling cops to slam their heads into a car door. Not exactly the same thing, anyway…
(And if you try to tell me the N-word is different for historical reasons, referring to human beings as “not people” and “animals”, “vermin”, etc carries plenty of equally repugnant baggage)
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:40 amMembers of MS-13 are rabid animals and should be exterminated with extreme prejudice. That translates as shot on sight by designated double ‘0’ assassins licensed to kill and paid $25,000 per head, double that for shot-callers and higher ups.
ropelight (cd0b9f) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:51 amCases of mistaken identity or collateral damage would be acceptable losses, right?
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:01 amAP deletes tweet on Trump’s ‘animals’ comment: ‘It wasn’t made clear he was speaking’ about MS-13
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:02 amWell, not to be a wordy lawyer, but MS-13 literally are animals (we all are) and they literally are not assholes. It is incorrect to say they are literally not people though.
But was your concern more about semantic correctness or tone of remark? In which case, “asshole” is too mild for these evil villains.
Anonymous (d41cee) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:05 amWrong Dave, as usual. MS-13 members are easy to identify – they conveniently mark themselves with graphic tatoos celebrating their allegiance to the gang, their origins in Guatemala, and their various bloodthirsty murderous exploits.
Unauthorized killings would naturally result in murder indictments.
ropelight (cd0b9f) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:08 amThey have a well deserved reputation for being non-partisan.
The CPB has a legal requirement to be non-partisan.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:10 amZuckerberg doesn’t live in a cloistered community with walls; he lives in a house on a street in Palo Alto. My husband’s parents live in Palo Alto, I’ve walked down that street many times.
He *did* try to build a walled compound on the property, but the very-sensitive-to-anything-that-might-hurt-their-property-values city council didn’t let him.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:23 amZuckerberg doesn’t live in a cloistered community with walls;
LOL. He bought the four houses surrounding his property. Those houses are the wall, however you want to spin it.
random viking (140d0a) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:33 amWrong Dave, as usual. MS-13 members are easy to identify – they conveniently mark themselves with graphic tatoos
Police department maintain tatoo databases, but there are movements to purge those databases since they “stigmatize” or some such nonsense. The purge has already happened in some locales — Portland for instance.
random viking (140d0a) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:37 am> Trump employs degrading language about people in general
One of the reasons I found him intolerable enough as a candidate that I registered as a Republican to vote for Ted Cruz.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:44 amI love President Trump he speaks from the heart
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:48 amZuckerberg doesn’t live in a cloistered community with walls; he lives in a house on a street in Palo Alto. My husband’s parents live in Palo Alto, I’ve walked down that street many times.
He *did* try to build a walled compound on the property, but the very-sensitive-to-anything-that-might-hurt-their-property-values city council didn’t let him.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:23 am
He should try again after that Iranian chick went buck wild at Google.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:49 am(And if you try to tell me the N-word is different for historical reasons, referring to human beings as “not people” and “animals”, “vermin”, etc carries plenty of equally repugnant baggage)
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:40 am
How do you feel about “feral humans”?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:54 amHow do you feel about “Deplorables?”
Davethulhu (fab944) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:55 am“COMPARE AND CONTRAST: The New York Times has a dreadfully dishonest headline up. I watched the interview, and Trump clearly, unambiguously, explicitly referred to MS-13. But via editing magic, The Times’ editors expanded the president’s statements. And if you do not think MS-13 are indeed animals, there are a few hundred rape victims and families of murder victims (mostly Hispanic, BTW) who might have a few choice words for you.
*UPDATE: USAToday pulls the same stunt.**
*UPDATE 2: AP corrects same “mistake,” admits that Trump was specifically referring to MS-13.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/297087/
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:58 am84… Thor… by God, when were you released? Great to hear from you!
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:01 pmNo hammer jokes or thunder/lightning GIFs, Colonel
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:05 pm#100, viking, if pinkos suceed in getting tatoo databases purged, there’s no reason they won’t target fingerprint files or DNA databases next. The hard Left is fully invested in creating so much violence, upset, and discord in society that Americans will willingly abandon their Constitutional freedoms for a totalitarian dictatorship’s promise of peace, order, and security.
ropelight (cd0b9f) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:06 pmpropaganda slut Jordan Fabian from The Hill works the square quotes overtime to offer up this:
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:07 pmThat would be YouTube, she went down the memory hole like that cult film with rail julia ‘overdrawn at the memory bank’ not the spiderwoman one.
narciso (4305c6) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:09 pmIf these gang members are animals, why not declare open season and hunt them down Duterte-style? Animals have no human or civil rights, and killing them isn’t murder.
Some predators have protected status and you can only shoot them if they threaten your life or livestock.
According to Christian teaching, God loves even the worst sinners. Should American citizens who belong to gangs also be described and treated as animals? If not, then it means these gang members are being dehumanized based on their nationality and/or ethnicity, doesn’t it?
Neither you nor Trump are what anyone would call a true Christian so I don’t know why you would make that argument. According to Genesis God gave man dominion over animals but that also entails husbandry. Although Trump isn’t spotless in that department.
God also sent two she bears to kill 42 kids who made fun of the Prophet Elisha.
If the president wants to convince people that a set of criminals is a blight on society, then let him describe their crimes in gory detail. Pull no punches. But the dehumanizing language Trump used is unacceptable, and it is wrong to excuse it in my opinion.
Defining Deviancy Down.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:02 am
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:10 pmHow do you feel about “Deplorables?”
Davethulhu (fab944) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:55 am
Just fine, because I have human reason. But if someone comes at me like an animal I’m going to treat them as such.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:12 pmIf a dog and an MS-13 human are drowning, who would you save first?
random viking (140d0a) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:14 pmNot if its a pit bull
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:18 pmBecause approaching it as a theoretical physics problem works so well. In theory, Dave, I grant you they are people just like us. A dose of “compassionate conservatism” should do the trick, informed by your first-hand knowledge of the problem.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:00 am
ie how does it help ms-13 feel good about themselves and rehab their image and philosophical outlook on our magic dirt.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:20 pmIf a dog and an MS-13 human are drowning, who would you save first?
random viking (140d0a) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:14 pm
I’d shoot the gang member before I jumped in to save the dog.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:23 pmIf a dog and an MS-13 human are drowning, who would you save first?
random viking (140d0a) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:14 pm
I should have said I don’t accept the premise of your question.
The FBI has similar test questions
A. I shoot the hostage.
B. I shoot the perp.
C. I shoot the perp first, then the hostage.
D. I shoot the hostage first, then the perp.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:30 pm“No need to guess. Popehat was a US Attorney, he involved in trying drug dealers.“
In reply to a remark about full context in a post about not providing full context. So pure.
You omitted the first sentence:
“The full context is those who live the reality in neighborhoods and schools, enforced on them by a lax immigration policy.
I’m guessing that excludes Popehat.”
The C-Span treatment indeed.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:44 pmCheck out Ben Weingarten’s article in The Federalist titled:
“Democracy is not dying in darkness.
ropelight (cd0b9f) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:48 pmThe Republic is being bludgeoned in broad daylight.”
41. I think the nameless victims of MS-13 crime might describe them a lot more harshly than Trump did. But what do I know? I’m just a white boy from South Dakota.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:02 am
Which violently named city are you from: Deadwood, Spearfish or Wounded Knee? You ever been to Hart Ranch?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:56 pmPinandpuller: the likelihood that the Palo Alto city council will give him the necessary exception to the general rules is … close to zero. The neighbors would complain too loudly, and they outvote him.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:59 pmhttp://monsterhunternation.com/2018/05/15/statement-concerning-my-being-disinvited-as-the-guest-of-honor-for-origins-game-fair/
Just a reminder that the left wants to stop all of us from speaking and participating in society.
NJRob (b2c888) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:21 pmIt wasn’t just CNN.
It was also the New York Daily News.
The top front page headline:
The article itself,
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-calls-immigrant-gang-members-animals-draws-sharp-rebuke-article-1.3993908 [The headline in the printed paper is:
Once you are alerted to the issue, isn’t quite so strong. It says though, Trump didn’t omnce refer to violence or gang activity in his response, instead capping it off with a sweeping rebuke of U.S. immigration aws.
It’s less unreasonable than they make it out to be, although it is still a lie – the lie beinbg that what they are doing is going after MS-13. The slur isn’t that border crossers are animals – the slur is taht they are (mostly?) MS-13.
the otehr heasdline ib te daily news was about some lawyer (who speaks Spanish!) ranting about staff in a rastaaurant talking to each otehr in Spanish. He may lose his job.
And then Trump claims it isn’t working.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:33 pmHe was pretending that the people being deported were (all? chiefly?) MS-13.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:34 pmhttp://thefederalist.com/2018/05/15/mob-attempts-strangle-youtubers-breakout-success-upon-ditching-sjw-infested-comics/
And more leftists deplatforming and using political pressure to prevent a nominal conservative from publishing anything that doesn’t fit the far left agenda.
NJRob (b2c888) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:35 pmThink of it this way:
Wrong behavior does not excuse different wrong behavior.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:31 am
Don’t forget to send CSPAN an email while you are at it.
I think it’s more a matter of taste than right or wrong.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:35 pmPinandpuller: the likelihood that the Palo Alto city council will give him the necessary exception to the general rules is … close to zero. The neighbors would complain too loudly, and they outvote him.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:59 pm
I guess MZ never watched Weeds.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:37 pmThanks, Haiku.
My life was disrupted when they made me move my tent from the bike path near Angel Stadium.
It’s nice to be back.
ThOR (d25d69) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:39 pmaphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/17/2018 @ 12:59 pm
There’s a story about Trump and Mar a Lago about his desire to have a 50′ flagpole despite a 30′ Palm Beach limit by ordinance.
He paid fines on the 50′ pole for a while, then he got permission to build a 30′ bluff and he put a 20′ pole on top of that.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 1:39 pmThe 7he New York Times also had this story:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/trump-undocumented-immigrants-animals.html
It was on page A13.
The big New York times story was about the Mueller investigation. It did not mmake trump look bad, but it tried to make the FBI look good.
It quotes Trump as saying:
MS-13 is mentioned, but only as an example of undesirable people.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 2:11 pmThe New York times article also quotes a statement from California Governor Edmind G. (Jerry) Brown also knwon as Governor methuselah and Governor Moonbeam:
It’s probable that Trump is lying about three of these things.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 2:12 pmAre they the fifth largest third world sh*thole in the world?
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 2:21 pmHey, ThOR, good to see you! Did you by chance catch Justin Verlander’s complete-game shutout (2-0) vs. the Angels last night? Both the Astros’ and Angels’ pitching was very impressive in this series, and these have been close, well-played games, very enjoyable to watch.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/17/2018 @ 2:27 pmThe usual explanation of “fifth-largest economy in the world” is:
“If California were an independent country”
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 2:45 pmHere’s more on the other story the Daily News headlined:
https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/aaron-schlossberg/?b2np=d
The lawyer actually owns his own law firm. he was supposedly identified by some of his college classmates after the video wass posted on Twotter with a request to identify the person so he could be harassed and punished. (well, maybe not in thise words)
the lawyer was barred from the budilding he has an office in by building management. The presdident of the company he rents space from said they terminated his services agreement.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 2:53 pmNo, Beldar, I missed that.
I’m more of an Oakland Athletics fan now, so I got to see Houston mop the floor with my team just last week. Believe it or not, the A’s seem to have a pretty good team this year – not that you could tell by how they did against the Astros (16 to 2 in game 1. Ouch!).
I hope you are well.
ThOR (d25d69) — 5/17/2018 @ 2:54 pmGood to see this posted. However, this has been going on ever since Trump started running for President. Half the so-called “Terrible things” Trump supposedly said have been either wrenched out of context, based on anon sources, or are out-right lies.
But then as stated, the MSM/Democrat party doesn’t care. The whole point is to influence the “low-information” voter – and it works! Large numbers of people – for example – think Palin said she could “see Russia from my House” (it was Tina Fey). Or they believe “Trump made fun of a cripple” even though he denied it, and if you look at the videotape, its ambiguous.
Get the Lie out there, repeat it enough, and you’ll get enough people to believe. An Old Commie trick, they never stopped using because in the age of Dumb, it works.
rcocean (1a839e) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:10 pmNotice how the MSM has ZERO interest in any of the substance. ZERO interest in California’s crazy refusal to help ICE enforce the law OR as Trump said “our crazy immigration laws” the “Worst in the World”
Shouldn’t we be having a grown-up discussion about that? Of course not. The MSM/Democrat party doesn’t want that.
So its TRUMP CALLED IMMIGRANTS ANIMALS! – seriously that’s why Trump says “maybe we should license the press” many Peeps are willing to listen.
rcocean (1a839e) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:14 pmAnd calling MS-13 gang members “animals” is an insult to animals. My cat was quite upset about it. Sure, she kills mice and eats them – but its nothing personal.
rcocean (1a839e) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:16 pm> Or they believe “Trump made fun of a cripple” even though he denied it, and if you look at the videotape, its ambiguous.
I watched the videotape, and I don’t find it ambiguous at all.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:18 pmThe problem isn’t really calling people in MS-13 animals (a gang more focused on killing and cruelty than on making money)
The problem is calling illegal immigrants MS-13 and claiming that that’s who ICe is against.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:34 pmhttps://www.boston.com/news/crime/2016/04/21/inside-ms-13-initiation-rituals-and-internal-feuds
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:38 pmThe problem is calling illegal immigrants MS-13 and claiming that that’s who ICe is against.
Yeah, that would indeed be a problem, if Trump actually had said that.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:40 pm60. Criminals forfeit their human rights all the time upon conviction. It’s called “prison.”
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:46 am
Or The Castle Doctrine.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:03 pmThey are animals in the worst, most violence sense of the word.
NJRob (b00189) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:25 am
Animals don’t get dumb face tattoos.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:06 pmCases of mistaken identity or collateral damage would be acceptable losses, right?
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:01 am
Issue a retraction.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:10 pmThe problem isn’t really calling people in MS-13 animals (a gang more focused on killing and cruelty than on making money)
The problem is calling illegal immigrants MS-13 and claiming that that’s who ICe is against.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/17/2018 @ 3:34 pm
Trump was specifically speaking about MS13, and you are smarter than to have written what you are saying here, Sammy.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:18 pmThe left – and the media, but I repeat myself – are quick to mischaracterize what has been said by those they oppose, as well as the motivation behind those words. Not only the left, but dishonest people, in general do this.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:22 pmYeah, that would indeed be a problem, if Trump actually had said that
Actually, the Great Incoherent One did say that. He probably did mean only MS-13, but his inability to form coherent sentences made it come out as a much broader reference.
And no matter how evil and depraved they are, Gen 1:26 applies to everyone, even MS-13 and Hillary Clinton.
Kishnevi (a21714) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:24 pm129… that was very unthoughtful of them, Thor.
As kids, we used to have the run of the Santa Ana River and in those days, it was a wilder habitat. You had to avoid the quicksand, but could fish and hunt birds and wascally wabbits.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:29 pmAnd no matter how evil and depraved they are, Gen 1:26 applies to everyone, even MS-13
Yes, and Hitler was a vegetarian and had the trains running on time too.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:32 pmWe’re only deporting them; not chopping them up for parts.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:34 pmUnless we’re deporting them to China. We’re not, are we?
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:35 pm“As kids, we used to have the run of the Santa Ana River and in those days, it was a wilder habitat. You had to avoid the quicksand, but could fish and hunt birds and wascally wabbits.”
Before the 91 freeway went in the road along the river was just 2-lane Santa Ana Canyon Rd. (But the traffic coming back to town even back then on Sunday afternoons was getting bad).We’d pedal our bikes through the citrus groves and corn and hay fields of Brea and Yorba Linda from my neighborhood near Beach Blvd. stopping at Knollwood Burger was a must.
I remember my uncle and his friends hunting pheasant along the river and deer up along the ridge to the southeast. There were some nice big bucks up there. The biggest deer I ever saw in SoCal was east of Rose Hills.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:52 pmIf they’re “not people” and “animals” we could sell them as chattel to lower the trade deficit, couldn’t we?
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:53 pmto be clear these are the people starbucks calls “beaner”
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:55 pm“And no matter how evil and depraved they are, Gen 1:26 applies to everyone, even MS-13 and Hillary Clinton.”
Even Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, who were all murderous animals.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:56 pmand it’s not cause they be all vegetarian like hitler
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 5:56 pmIf they’re “not people” and “animals” we could sell them as chattel to lower the trade deficit, couldn’t we?
Only if they have been duly convicted of a crime.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:03 pmHaven’t you seen Gone With The Wind, where Leslie Howard has to use white convicts in the sawmill after the black slaves were freed?
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:06 pmAs non-humans, wouldn’t they technically be considered pets or livestock rather than slaves?
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:08 pm“Knollwood Burger was a must.”
Oh yeah… Imperial Highway gravel turnout… burgers or ham sammiches.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:17 pm“Haven’t you seen Gone With The Wind, where Leslie Howard has to use white convicts in the sawmill after the black slaves were freed?”
That’s one way Trump’s election was like the Civil War, Democrats hadn’t been that angry, incensed and unreasonable since the Republicans freed their slaves.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:19 pm67. I don’t recognize civil rights. Civil rights are rights we have under the law, and law can be repealed. I recognize natural rights; the God-given inalienable rights that no law may take from me. And again I say, criminals surrender their rights all the time upon the exercise of due process. Up to and including the death penalty for murder. Make of that what you will.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:20 pm133. Jerry Brown is the last person ON THE PLANET that should criticize a politician for lying.
Gryph (08c844) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:21 pmDo we need to protect their marketability for human organ transplantation (and ahem other things which would not open up our customers to accusations of zoophilia) or not?
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:22 pm“We, the citizens of the fifth-largest economy in the world, are not impressed.”
Shortly, I will cease to be among them.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:23 pmAnd again I say, criminals surrender their rights all the time upon the exercise of due process.
And other times, too. For example, someone who breaks into your house at night has waived the right not to get shot.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:28 pmgood for you Mr. M
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:33 pmKevin M: are you moving out of CA, then?
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:49 pmIf Trump goes full Duterte, I wouldn’t be so sure:
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:50 pmSo Trump calling MS-13 members animals means the next step will be having them slaughtered and prepared for dinner?
Got it!
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 6:59 pmProbably has some Polynesian ancestry. Maybe Fijian. Fiji used to be called the Cannibal Islands, you know. Who are we to question their cultural norms and traditional mores and folkways?
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:00 pmThe igorot tribesmen, or are they from Borneo,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:07 pmNot that it was a big tourist draw, pre-Duterte, is there a big drop in tourism there (as much from Pinoy-Americans not wanting to get caught with a doobie as from cartel wannabes deciding it ain’t worth the risk)?
urbanleftbehind (00786c) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:14 pmIt seems that they had homegrown ones on the island of Mindanao. Here’s a Los Angeles Herald article from 1899.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:15 pmIn other minitrue trials:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/buzzfeed_soils_itself_with_extortionstyle_journalism_against_candace_owens.html
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:16 pmYes, I know it’s William Randolph Hearst Yellow Journalism. You don’t think I’m engaging Dave seriously, do you?
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:16 pmThe “press” has always sucked monkey turds.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:20 pmWell what did they say in men in black about the tabloids.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:26 pmIt can hardly be a coincidence that I received the following email, just this afternoon:
You’ll notice that he doesn’t say what’s on the menu…
While the bit about being a loyal supporter is about as accurate as the rest of his statements, the best line has to be:
I can totally envision Donald Trump getting misty-eyed as he shares our selfie with Uday, Qusay, Ivanka and Barron and reminisces wistfully about our moment together!
The fine print of the invitation contains a way to enter without making a donation, so I’m totally doing it.
P.S. Patrick gets first dibs on the guest spot, followed by happyfeet…
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:29 pmSHS nails it:
https://mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews/status/997171911376416768/video/1
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:32 pmi get new shoes for it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:34 pmOh, yeah, I saw that. She said it twice! Good on you, Sarah!
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:34 pm“Oh, yeah, I saw that. She said it twice! Good on you, Sarah!“
She really did. The msm still seems to have no clue that they helped elect Trump with smears of this sort.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:46 pmThat thin line:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/997269925180817408.html
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:48 pmI think they understand what a powerful asset Trump’s bigotry is for him.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:51 pm“I think they understand what a powerful asset Trump’s bigotry is for him.”
His bigotry is so massive they have have to make it up.
Got it!
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 7:57 pmThey made up nothing. Either of the clips posted on this page is damning.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:06 pmErielle Davidson
@politicalelle
Trump’s greatest weapon is that he can make his enemies defend anything and anyone.
— –
So apt for this thread.
Vicia Fava and Chianti for everyone!
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:07 pmSantiago Creek was my haven. When heavy rains came, fish would be washed over the dam at Irvine Lake and down Santiago Creek.
Most of my bike riding was up into the Santa Ana mountains. Irvine Park, Silverado and Modjeska Canyons were regular destinations.
It was fun growing up among the groves, mainly orange, but also lemon, walnut and avocado. My high school song: “Out among the groves of Orange . . .” That’s all gone now.
ThOR (d25d69) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:13 pmEven CNN disagrees with you, Dave:
http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/media/media-trump-animals-immigrants/index.html
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:18 pm“Most of my bike riding was up into the Santa Ana mountains. Irvine Park, Silverado and Modjeska Canyons were regular destinations”
I think I hiked up every side creek in Santiago, Silverado and Modjeska. There was lots of water many years.
That it could be so unspoiled and yet so close to town was amazing.
Also raced many times at Saddleback.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:19 pmCNN fessed up:
CNN
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@CNN
As reported in the article above, Trump’s remarks late Wednesday were in response to comments about members of MS-13 and other undocumented immigrants who are deported for committing crimes.
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The AP too:
The Associated Press
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@AP
AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members.
The NYTimes hasn’t owned it but they did say Trump says he was referring to MS-13.
The only ones still hanging on to the “described immigrants” line appear to be hard core moonbats.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:27 pmCould’ve sworn Patterico has blocked people for dishonest arguments like that.
NJRob (b2c888) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:29 pmThe gorilla channels CNN and MSNBC has to pace themselves if he were to go all negan, the response would be so you already implied this.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:37 pmWhen the poor guy pulled the cannibal card, I could not help thinking of this:
Captain Paul Waggett: I want to speak to your son George.
Mrs Campbell: George is in his bedroom.
Captain Paul Waggett: Oh, not ill, I hope.
Mrs Campbell: He’s locked in his bedroom with his Bible and some bread and cheese, and he’ll not be out until tomorra’ mornin’.
Captain Paul Waggett: I never heard of anything so preposterous!
Mrs Campbell: Did you ever hear of the Fourth Commandment?
Captain Paul Waggett: Of course, I have!
Mrs Campbell: Remember the…
Captain Paul Waggett: You needn’t repeat it. I learned the Commandment years ago.
Mrs Campbell: More shame to you then that yeh should lead my son away from righteousness.
Captain Paul Waggett: Mrs. Campbell, at this very moment our troops are fighting in North Africa. The Germans don’t stop fighting on Sunday, so how can we?
Mrs Campbell: What the Germans do, Mr. Waggett, is on their own conscience, and Toddy is not in North Africa, so there’s no need to bring the heathens into it. I’ve been told that there are cannibals in Africa, but no one is going to persuade my son to eat human flesh.
Captain Paul Waggett: No one’s asking your son to eat human flesh!
Mrs Campbell: Not yet!
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:39 pmHow about that:
http://fox2now.com/2018/05/16/follow-the-money-trail-behind-the-greitens-invasion-of-privacy-case
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:42 pmNo they don’t.
I took no position on whether Trump was referring to immigrants in general or “members of a violent gang”. For the sake of argument, I assumed the latter. This is abundantly clear from my original comment, which began (emphasis added):
I like and respect you nk, and it’s inevitable that even people who agree on the substance of many things (as I think we do) will disagree occasionally.
But you have not even bothered to understand the argument you’re mocking if you think that CNN quote “disagrees with me”. It does not.
Even if Trump was “referring to members of a violent gang”, it is unacceptable language for reasons I’ve explained.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:44 pmThus Dave confirms what I wrote @12.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:48 pmNo, but he has blocked or moderated people for lying about his editorial policy, as you just did.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:51 pmAnd on my part, I was doing my best to attribute your “passionate intensity” to overmisinterpretation of Trump’s comment. But you won’t have it. You just will not have our President call criminals “animals”. You won’t, you won’t, you won’t! Okay, then.
I didn’t know that Cable is in the new Deadpool movie. Josh Brolin is playing him. It might turn out to be worth seeing after all. When it comes out on video.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:54 pmWell he made himself seem almost contrite as thanos, which is great acting if you know what a jackalope he is, a bit too much snark
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 8:57 pmNk: he’s hoping you didn’t notice he also said this:
“They made up nothing. Either of the clips posted on this page is damning.“
The dishonest news services clearly implied to their readers/viewers that Trump was talking immigrants in general.
They got caught, most slowly issued mea culpas. To claim otherwise is dishonest/delusional.
harkin (99ba6b) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:12 pmI asked before, and you didn’t respond: Would it be acceptable for the president to call black gang members the N-word?
Since I think you’re a reasonable person, I’m gonna guess your answer would be “no”. I don’t see much difference. If anything, calling people not human is worse than using a racial epithet.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:13 pmIf anything, calling people not human is worse than using a racial epithet.
How white of you.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:16 pmDave
I know you read Jonah Goldberg’s new book. I was listening to one of his recent podcasts. He’d been on Fox and CNN and apparently The Daily Show. He said he was being well received and treated.
I have Liberal Fascism and have read it. It’s been a number of years of course. I wonder what you would attribute his not being sandbagged by TDS producers. Is it the book title and topic? Is it the new figurehead Trevor Noah. Or is it, as I think, he’s getting the John McCain we love you when you agree with us treatment. As in, hey nevertrumper, come on home.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:23 pmAnd I said that regardless of which people he was talking about, it was wrong.
If the news services feel they posted something misleading, I’m glad they corrected it.
Still waiting for corrections from the White House on the 3000+ lies or distortions Trump has been caught in since taking office.
I guess in TrumpWorld, correcting mistakes when they occur makes the media weak, and refusing to admit (much less correct) them makes Trump a worthy vessel of veneration.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:23 pmCable who is the accelerated far future offspring of x men, is doing the wrong thing for perhaps the right reason.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:23 pmTain’t de sam’ ting, Brer Dave. The n-word has been pejoratively applied to black Americans and many other non-Northern Europeans for generations. To good persons and to bad persons. It has very different connotations and carries very different baggage from the word “animal”.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:26 pmStill waiting for corrections from the White House on the 3000+ lies or distortions Trump has been caught in since taking office.
Yeah, they should, whenever they call themselves the White House News Network.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:28 pmEvery time I talk to my daughter I say,”What’s up, my n****?”
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:28 pmOne of the four times she came back from Africa she and a friend had their hair cornrowed so we do cultural appropriation all up in it.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:31 pm@209: The cast of Hamilton loves Dubya, or so he thinks. They just love his nevertrumpism. If his brother ever became president they’d be back to making Hitler comparisons.
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:34 pmFor a while, my daughter and I shared “For shizzeth, my nizzeth”, being the Shakespearization of “fo shizzle, my nizzle”, but we outgrew it. “It certainly is, Ollie” stuck, though. There’s nothing like the genuine classics.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:37 pmThe 21st century is far stranger than anything we saw in back to the future.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:39 pmOr beck even time cop, not as strOng as Frank Miller’s give me liberty,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:43 pmI doubt you are really asking my opinion in good faith, given the usual tone of your comments, but in case you are: his book is far harder on the left than it is on Trump. And most of his criticism of Trump is couched in terms of criticism of the philosophies of the left. As he describes “Trumpism” in the conclusion (emphasis in original):
Otherwise, the book is a full-throated defense of pre post-literate conservatism. While he refers to and amends a few positions from Liberal Fascism, he is still essentially preaching Reagan-/Buckley-style conservatism as the modern pedigree and defender of “The Miracle”.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:44 pmSeriously who was the last one to use the time machine?
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:46 pmOh and rip Richard pipes,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:47 pmIn 1980 Alan Pell Crawford wrote thunder on the right in 1982, Kevin Phillips who believes he came up with Nixon’s southern strategy, silly primate wrote post conservative America. They have been crying wolf for a long tome.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:53 pmWell JG is friends with Jake Tapper so he was going to get a fair treatment from him but I’ve seen even Chris Matthews get taken down by Jon Stewart. “You’re afraid of the book.” JG seems to be echoing Sally Field a little. Some places, as long as you hate on Trump, you’re a cool kid.
I don’t know if JG was at the American Enterprise Institute when he wrote Liberal Fascism. Bill Kristol is nevertrump patient zero. It can’t hurt his cred with Comedy Central any.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 9:56 pmI think he was, back then Jonah had Cosmo his prized pooch, that kept him from undue anxiety and dispair.
Re Kristol he’s part of the club with hayden and Chertoff curmudgeonbis his thing about now.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:02 pmAs far as I know conservatives never had trouble selling books. Riding the spiral escalator at Bloomberg makes some sense, though.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:07 pmBut Ol’ Dred Scott was denied his freedom for not being a person, weren’t he?
And the holocaust and countless other atrocities have been rationalized on the basis of the victims (“good persons and bad persons”) being animals and/or less than human.
(Note to the usual suspects – not you, nk – please spare us the dishonest “OMG you’re suggesting that what Trump said is as bad as the Holocaust!”…I am suggesting nothing of the kind)
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:12 pmLogical equivalency that supports our argument = analogy
random viking (6a54c2) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:18 pmLogical equivalency that counters our argument = whataboutism
Jonah’s description of Ted Cruz:
Sad, but true.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:24 pmBut Ol’ Dred Scott was denied his freedom for not being a person, weren’t he?
No! He was a person held to service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof, who escaping into another was not discharged from such service or labor, but was delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor was due.
The Constitution nowhere denies the personhood of slaves. Even in the enumeration clause, where they are counted at 3/5ths, they are “other persons”.
nk (dbc370) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:37 pmBzzt!
Whataboutism is trying to *justify* an immoral act by using a second immoral act.
This is a fool’s errand; any similarity between the two acts defeats the purpose of the argument, since by pointing out the immorality of the second act, you are implicitly condemning the first.
My analogy is trying to *condemn* an immoral act by using a second immoral act.
This is completely logical; the similarity of two acts supports the argument. If the second act is immoral, and analogous to the first, it calls the morality of the first into question.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:42 pmThe actual decision held that Scott was not a person or citizen under the Constitution, and that he thus had no standing to sue; the court therefore dismissed the case for lack of jurisdiction:
The court noted, and speedily dismissed, your arguments about the enumeration and fugitive slave clauses:
Despite dismissing the case for lack of jurisdiction, Taney went on to address the merits at length anyway, just to twist the knife in Poor Ol’ Dred (Taney believed he could end the inter-sectional slavery crisis by fiat by saying, in effect, that it was impossible under the constitution for any state to forbid slavery within its borders; needless to say, this didn’t work out as well as he had hoped…).
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:00 pmKevin M: are you moving out of CA, then?
Soon, soon. First we ahve to fix the house up a bit, and put it on the market, make a gawdawful profit, pay the taxes and find a new house.
Did you know that you can get a brand-new 3000 sf house with all the trimmings in Albuquerque for less than #350,000? To someone from LA, that’s like free.
I be retired.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:04 pmSpot on Dave. Taney probably went home that night thinking he’d put the slavery matter to rest, since the decision (slaves are property) meant that slavery was effectively legal throughout the nation.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:08 pmAlthough, a state could have forbidden the possession of slaves within its borders. The slave had no right to have such a law enforced, but the state could prosecute the owner for “possession” just as they could prosecute them for any other contraband.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:11 pmIt’s possible that JG’s book contract stated that he had to take a publicist around and promote his book various places. He said he was already in sixth place on Amazon at a certain point and Jake Tapper was in 95th before he went on Ellen and shot up to 88th.
I wonder how long Jake Tapper has been writing fiction?
Pinandpuller (6138b8) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:42 pmJonah’s description of Ted Cruz:
“… a deeply establishmentarian politician who knew all of the lyrics of populism but could not convincingly carry the tune.”
Sad, but true.
Dave (445e97) — 5/17/2018 @ 10:24 pm
That sounds similar to Abby Martin’s description of Rachael Maddow: “She’s a neo-liberal corporate shill!”
Pinandpuller (6138b8) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:48 pmDid you know that you can get a brand-new 3000 sf house with all the trimmings in Albuquerque for less than #350,000? To someone from LA, that’s like free.
I be retired.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:04 pm
How about Rio Rancho?
Pinandpuller (6138b8) — 5/17/2018 @ 11:56 pm
Perhaps, although I think it would not have taken much to twist the Full Faith and Credit clause to require all states to recognize the right to slave property. Taney seemed to view the fact that the constitution specifically recognized slave property as giving it some kind of special protected status.
That the court went along with Taney’s legally unhinged wall of text 7-2 suggests they would have endorsed anything.
Dave (445e97) — 5/18/2018 @ 12:13 amMesa College cop looking for house in Albuquerque Link
Pinandpuller (6138b8) — 5/18/2018 @ 12:21 amYes, Rio Rancho. Lower taxes and a different county. Did you know that NM has a “Prop 13” rule?
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/18/2018 @ 12:25 amPP, there is a reason that Breaking Bad was set in Albuquerque.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/18/2018 @ 12:26 amDave,
The Taney Court was initially leaning towards Scott, but active lobbying by President-elect Buchanan, a slavery supporter convinced them to go the other way. HE even mentioned the upcoming decision, and his preferred outcome, in his Inaugural address.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/president-james-buchanan-directly-influenced-outcome-dred-scott-decision-180962329
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/18/2018 @ 12:32 amI knew that Buchanan and Taney had allegedly discussed the matter before the inauguration.
I find it surprising that the court was “leaning toward Scott” since it had a southern majority. According to Wikipedia, president-elect Buchanan successfully lobbied of Justice Grier, a northerner, to join with the southern justices and avoid the appearance of a purely sectional decision.
Dave (445e97) — 5/18/2018 @ 1:52 amThe Taney majority were animals. Just an example of how plain language can be twisted to mean anything you want it to mean when you have an agenda. Right, Dave? Even the Taney obiter dicta itself. You tell me that But Ol’ Dred Scott was denied his freedom for not being a person, weren’t he?. I tell you the Constitution nowhere says he wasn’t a person, and you respond with:
Is this a quantum mechanics thing? I know you already said that you guys can only count up to “1, 2, many” but this is White Rabbit territory.
nk (dbc370) — 5/18/2018 @ 4:32 amHahahahahaha… HA!!! https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/297108/
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/18/2018 @ 5:13 amThey think they’re pretty smart… https://youtu.be/v7CF9yTKkHQ
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/18/2018 @ 5:15 amTapper since 2000, Buchanan was a former secretary of this abassador to that, he thought he could split the circle.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/18/2018 @ 5:32 am10 Key Takeaways: http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/17/10-key-takeaways-from-new-york-times-error-ridden-defense-of-fbi-spying-on-trump-campaign/
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/18/2018 @ 5:40 amTo paraphrase another Buchanan had to let the country splinter in order to save it, from his bpvirw John brown was just unhelpful.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/18/2018 @ 5:47 amGo straight to the subject and ask them, if you will: http://youtu.be/HHjKzr6tLz0
urbanleftbehind (00786c) — 5/18/2018 @ 6:08 amMeanwhile one is finally allowed to look at fast and furious records.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/18/2018 @ 6:14 amYou missed a big ranch not to far from you, Nars.
urbanleftbehind (00786c) — 5/18/2018 @ 6:15 amI don’t live near little caracas anymore urban,
narciso (d1f714) — 5/18/2018 @ 6:17 amHerea another detail:
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/05/clinics-that-provide-abortions-or-refer.html
narciso (d1f714) — 5/18/2018 @ 6:19 amANIMALS
He’s mad…And that’s a fact
He found out…Animals don’t help
Animals think…They’re pretty smart
Sh*t on the ground…See in the dark.
They wander around like some crazy dogs
Decapitate in the parking lot
Always raping, killing peeps
Always let you down down down down.
They’re sneaking in, we don’t want ‘em
They never come when ICE calls ‘em
Rat poison’s what we should feed ‘em
The never come when ICE calls ‘em down down down down.
He knows the animals…Are laughing at us
They don’t even know…What a joke is
We should put teh …Animals on ice
We don’t care…If they’re laughing at us.
They’re sneaking in, we don’t want ‘em
They never come when ICE calls ‘em
Rat poison’s what we should feed ‘em
The never come when ICE calls ‘em down down down down
They say they kill for money
Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 5/18/2018 @ 6:20 amThey ain’t living on nuts and berries
They say animals don’t worry
We know animals are scary
They think that they’re teh best
They’re making a fool of us
They ought to be more careful
Let’s make ‘em a good example
They have untroubled lives
Let’s give ‘em a case of hives
They like to laugh at people
They’re setting a bad example
(Go ahead) Kick ‘em out!!!
This might have referenced earlier#
https://spectator.org/crossfire-hurricane-category-5-political-espionage/
narciso (d1f714) — 5/18/2018 @ 6:26 amI find it surprising that the court was “leaning toward Scott” since it had a southern majority
Well, that’s what I was told in college. But you make a good point.
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/18/2018 @ 10:37 amI know you already said that you guys can only count up to “1, 2, many
In some things I count “0, many”
Kevin M (752a26) — 5/18/2018 @ 10:39 amWhereas the court in plessu were notherners.
narciso (d1f714) — 5/18/2018 @ 10:39 amnk, I described the opinion of the Taney court by quoting it verbatim and you insult me because you think Taney’s opinion doesn’t make sense… wtf?
It is a fact that Scott lost because the court said he was not a person as far as Article III was concerned.
Dave (98d911) — 5/18/2018 @ 3:27 pmThe accusation taht trump called all illegal immigrants animals may be slightly unfair (slightly bvecause he was implying that that was who ICe was going after, but what do you amke of this: (also from the New York Times article)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/trump-undocumented-immigrants-animals.html
Now I am sure Trump has some argument here, maybe even in his monologue.
I looked up the transcript:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-california-sanctuary-state- roundtable/
His argument seems to be the uimmigration law is aDemocratic law, which isn’t really right. Much of the toughness in the law coems froma Republican Congresses (alkthough Bill Clinton signed and maybe Obama signed them. I know there was law passed in 1996.)
Nothing says steps have to be taken to enforce the law. The law can remain somewhat unenforced.
his claim that Democrats don’t want to change the law is really alie. Trump wanted only abill that wuld further limit legal immigration.
He can’t truthfully make that statement.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/22/2018 @ 12:41 pmThey don’t have to break up families. The law (maybe – this is probasbly going into court) allows them to do so but it doesn’t require it.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 5/22/2018 @ 12:42 pm