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4/23/2018

GOP Running Against Hillary in 2018

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am

As Trump fans and NeverTrumpers head into the midterms, what can bring them together? The GOP is banking on the power of the Other: Hillary Clinton. Fox News:

Hillary Clinton won’t go away.

So conservatives are giving her a seat at the table.

Clinton is starring in the Republican Party’s 2018 midterm strategy. With no Democrat to attack in the White House for the first time in nearly a decade, Republicans are betting big that the ghost of Clinton will serve them well in 2018.

Even if she avoids the spotlight moving forward, the Republican Party plans to evoke her early and often in key congressional races, particularly in regions Trump won, which feature most of the midterm season’s competitive races.

. . . .

“We’re going to make them own her,” Republican National Committee spokesman Rick Gorka said.

With control of Congress up for grabs this fall, the GOP’s most powerful players are preparing to spend big on plans to feature Clinton as a central villain in attack ads against vulnerable Democrats nationwide.

The power of the Other is one reliable way to make enemies work together. Think about it: what kind of event would it take to get Russia, China, and the U.S. to cooperate? One possibility comes to mind: an invasion of our planet by green, scaly, multi-tentacled Martians with oozing pustules and sixteen roach-like legs.

And if you wanted to elect one of those pus-filled Martian vermin to nationwide office? Simple: present it as a binary choice between the repulsive purulent alien and Hillary Clinton.

I don’t blame the GOP. If you have someone on the other side so bad she can make normal people vote for Donald Trump, why not exploit that forever? Especially when, as the Fox News article notes, she won’t go away. New York Times:

In her first public appearance since James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, began his book tour, Hillary Clinton made only a glancing reference to him in a speech on Sunday night and instead focused most of her attacks on President Trump, once again likening him to authoritarians.

Mrs. Clinton gave the Arthur Miller Freedom to Write Lecture at PEN America’s World Voices Festival in New York City. She spoke at length about threats to journalists around the world before turning her attention to domestic matters. She criticized Mr. Trump, not so subtly comparing him to authoritarian leaders who had suppressed journalism in their countries.

“Today, we have a president who seems to reject the role of a free press in our democracy,” she said. “Although obsessed with his own press coverage, he evaluates it based not on whether it provides knowledge or understanding, but solely on whether the daily coverage helps him and hurts his opponents.”

Even correct things sound stupid and wrong coming out of her mouth. If she’s going to keep putting herself in the spotlight, why wouldn’t the GOP take advantage of that, and make her the villain of their story?

It’s better than, say, running on the GOP record of policy successes. (You can picture me rolling my eyes as I type that.)

(They told me if I didn’t vote for Donald Trump, the next President would explode the budget and keep ObamaCare. And they were right!)

Will Trump voters realize that Hillary won’t be in office regardless of whether they vote for some milquetoast GOP backbencher? Sure, some will. But the propaganda will work on others. That’s why they’re using it.

We get the government we deserve. And man, are we undeserving.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

483 Responses to “GOP Running Against Hillary in 2018”

  1. I thought they would run against Trump.

    mg (9e54f8)

  2. Democrats ran against Bush until ~2014. I think it was effective for them. Don’t think it will work as well with Republicans/Clinton considering she was just a candidate, not a President.

    Anonymous (d41cee)

  3. They could run against Pence.

    Point out that if Trump is forced out of office, Pence becomes President. Since policy-wise, Pence is everything the Left hates, the Left should not vote for Congresspeople who will try to impeach Trump.

    Kishnevi (91d450)

  4. It’s better than, say, running on the GOP record of policy successes. (You can picture me rolling my eyes as I type that.)

    (They told me if I didn’t vote for Donald Trump, the next President would explode the budget and keep ObamaCare. And they were right!)

    Please list the good conservative legislation – including budget and Obamacare repeal – sent to the President’s desk that he has vetoed. Oh C’mon Patterico – that should be easy…hmmmmm. Though of course not as easy as ignoring that fact in order to call the President of the United States “a repulsive purulent alien”. Seriously – have you considered therapy? Many of us would donate to a crowd funding drive to get you there.

    Bill Saracino (78f41f)

  5. “Today, we have a president who seems to reject the role of a free press in our democracy,” she said. “Although obsessed with his own press coverage, he evaluates it based not on whether it provides knowledge or understanding, but solely on whether the daily coverage helps him and hurts his opponents.”

    Even correct things sound stupid and wrong coming out of her mouth.

    Heh. Too bad we can’t get Hillary to parrot more of the NeverTrump propaganda. It makes even them realize how ridiculous their talking points sound.

    Anon Y. Mous (6cc438)

  6. Nancy Pelosi is too busy measuring the drapes of the Speaker’s Office to play the part of the 2018 GOP foe.

    noel (b4d580)


  7. 6.Nancy Pelosi is too busy measuring the drapes of the Speaker’s Office to play the part of the 2018 GOP foe.


    Yeah, just like Hillary measured for drapes in the Oval office. You leftists never learn.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  8. running against Hillary’s way better than how pervy loathsome Mitt Romney’s running against his own record

    (again)

    but it looks like even the depraved U-tossers are finding him to be repulsive and disgusting

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. “Today, we have a president who seems to reject the role of a free press in our democracy”

    Baloney! He’s not shutting down the press or murdering journalists. All he’s doing is pushing back vocally against their blatant bias and lies. One of the best things about this administration is the way they shoved the #FakeNews meme right _back_ into the faces of the press and left who invented it! Now anyone who is willing can easily see how much the press hates traditional American and Americans.

    Local news reporting, especially the local TV news shows, is sh!t. Full of lies, elisions, distortions, agendas and ignorance. Rock-stupid a-holes with degrees in “communications” edit the news to hide the stuff that they think will stir up the (white male) hicks, especially crime news. I call them out and they respond with boilerplate and nonsequiturs. Arrogant, morally-deluded prigs.

    gp (0c542c)

  10. Yes Rev.Hoagie, you can call me a “leftist” if it makes you feel better. I have told you a hundred times now that I am a center-right guy who is registered as a Republican but dislikes Trump’s ways. But I will defer to your expert opinion… on me.

    noel (b4d580)

  11. If voters were not so phenomenally ignorant, parties wouldn’t need to rely upon “the other” or “code” as shorthand.

    HRC, Pelosi, Schumer, Waters, Jackson-Lee are legitimate exemplars of who and what the Democrats are. There is no misrepresentation here. If you elect a Democrat to Congress, you get a Schumer or a Pelosi running things. With a large enough majority, the politics of a Maxine becomes their guideposts.

    It is almost impossible to overstate the evils that their Progressive statism can, and often does, result.

    Similarly, it is extremely difficult to deny the outrageous contortions that DJT will employ to appease his ego.

    It is not paranoia if they really are after you. It is not irresponsible to shout, “Monster!” when one is presented. It’s actually an obligation. If anything, the GOP has well-earned scorn for their failure to call out and to fully fight lefty leaders and philosophy.

    Ed from SFV (4f3559)

  12. When I email my local reporters (e.g., to show them how they elide police reports to hide the race of violent criminal suspects,) I ask them “Don’t you care about the poor reputation of the press right now? Doesn’t it bother you that people don’t trust your reporting? Can’t you see that by altering police reports, you are showing contempt for the intelligence and integrity of your readers?”

    Back when Dan Rather went acute nuts, I emailed the local CBS affiliate. I asked “Can’t you see that Rather is chasing obviously fake memos? The man is blinded by obsession with a political agenda, and don’t you as newsmen find that embarrassing?”

    They never give a straight answer. They have a mission: to fundamentally transform America into the liberal fairy tale in their heads, and they shape their fake news to try to bring that about.

    So good for Trump for pushing back!

    gp (0c542c)

  13. When I email my local reporters (e.g., to show them how they elide police reports to hide the race of violent criminal suspects,) I ask them “Don’t you care about the poor reputation of the press right now? Doesn’t it bother you that people don’t trust your reporting? Can’t you see that by altering police reports, you are showing contempt for the intelligence and integrity of your readers?”

    I had similar experience with the “Ombudsman” hired to look into reader concerns. Puzzled me as to why they bothered. And now the same paper is barely scraping by. When I occasionally see a copy in a waiting room or in passing at the grocery store, the word spacing and headline writing reminds me of the Weekly Reader we used to get in elementary school. I tried to tell Mr. Ombudsman that his day was coming. He assured me (really himself) that this would not happen. And one of the local “conservative” blowhard talk radio guys thinks we need the damn thing.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  14. Rev, if the opposite wall bowed in would you shoot me? Like I leaned into it.

    I would shoot you. You need to know this up front.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  15. I would never lean into or collapse into a wall. I believe I already know Hoagie’s answer. I know the ethical answer. If I don’t shoot, I leave an enemy alive.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  16. And it IS a two-party system (except when it’s a one-party system).

    The solution to Tweedledum vs Tweedledee is to CHANGE one of the two parties. As the Trump people did to the GOP. Fault them all you want on their maculate spokesman, but they did manage to rip one of the two parties out of the hands of those green slimy devils (as they saw it).

    Don’t like it? Fight back. Instead of walking away, engage. Go down to the party gatherings and argue your case. You may find there are other, like-mined people. You may even find that many people see the emperor’s nakedness. And shortly thereafter “preference cascade” like there was for Trump in 2016.

    I don’t see the othering strategy working — it might work in Kansas or Alabama, but really, they weren’t voting Democrat anyway. It will backfire in places Hillary won, or ran well.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  17. Better to run against Bernie.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  18. Running backwards.

    Yep, that’s the GOP for ‘ya; the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. The Democrats will run against Trump for decades.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  20. The host always seems perplexed at how elections are won.

    random viking (d82f96)

  21. “I had similar experience with the “Ombudsman” hired to look into reader concerns. Puzzled me as to why they bothered.”

    Their answers are evasive, non-responsive and nonsensical.

    Sometimes they’ll say “That’s our policy,” when of course it’s the _policy_ I’m questioning. Way to insult my intelligence, newshound.

    Sometimes they’ll say “We remove race when the description is vague.” So they take a “vague” description, elide part of it, and now it’s _more_ vague than before they touched it. They’ll start with a simple FOUR-point description like “W/M 200lbs 6ft,” and rather than just report it as is, they take the time to rewrite it “The suspect is described as a male, weighing 200 pounds, and 6 feet tall.” Now it’s a THREE-point description. Pr!cks.

    And the only reason we know they’re doing it is that now we have the internet.

    gp (0c542c)

  22. I suppose running against Hillary as a known Bad Thing is going to be more effective than trying to explain why the guy actually running is also A Bad Thng but with less public record. I mean, it’s possible to find somebody as dumb and corrupt and loathsome as Hillary who’s been under most radar up until now.

    Richard Aubrey (10ef71)

  23. It won’t matter. Most voters are watching Netflix or BluRay and will never see the TV ads. Then they’ll go down to vote, if they do, and vote the same way they always do, which may be according to their horoscope.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  24. The great conceit of our political class is that the People are paying attention to them.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  25. Without comment: https://xkcd.com/1984/

    Note the mouse-over blurb.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  26. noel: I have told you a hundred times now that I am a center-right guy who is registered as a Republican but dislikes Trump’s ways

    Who is this Mr. Center Right?

    It’s funny how only the Trumpkins here stake their claim. Everyone else stands for “principles” or “decency”, but never a name. I guess it was Cruz at one point, but he’s Judas now to the anti-Trumpkins.

    Of those who ran in 2016, who? WHO? Say his name!

    random viking (d82f96)

  27. @6 noel

    Do crypts have curtains?

    Pinandpuller (5d1e4d)

  28. Where’s the concern about Mueller packing his team with partisan Democrats?

    Oh… that’s different…

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  29. Gary Johnson

    Leviticus (efada1)

  30. @10 noel

    We see your untinged center right registered Republican view every day and it gives us a realistic proxy of Herr Mueller’s unbiased investigation.

    My fourth word isn’t autocorrect btw.

    Pinandpuller (5d1e4d)

  31. buttmunch anti-Trump Gimpinista Brigade!!!

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  32. @28 Colonel Haiku

    Herr Mueller’s is a center right both sides of the aisle registered Republican. That makes him a media darling in the Al Simpson and John McCain Pantheon.

    Pinandpuller (5d1e4d)

  33. @27. Do crypts have curtains?

    House of Wax.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. Herr Mueller?

    The blame game. It’s Sessions fault. No, it’s Rosenstein. No, it’s Comey but wait…. it’s Mueller who is the problem.

    It couldn’t possibly be the guy who said Obama wasn’t a US citizen. The guy with the fraudulent university. The one who lied about releasing his taxes. Lied about his staff meeting with Russians. Nope.

    You give new meaning to “Never Trump”.

    noel (b4d580)

  35. President Trump’s the president of all the people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  36. 6.Nancy Pelosi is too busy measuring the drapes of the Speaker’s Office to play the part of the 2018 GOP foe.

    She’ll be pressured out of running for the gig; too old: she just turned 78 in March.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  37. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030947/SAS-hero-John-McAleese-Iranian-embassy-siege-dies-suspected-heart-attack.html

    “SAS hero of Iranian embassy siege dies ‘of a broken heart’ after his soldier son was killed in Afghanistan “

    If you’re old enough to remember.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  38. Anyone see the Doonesbury comic from Sunday? April 22, 2018
    Speaks volumes.
    I think Gary got it right on this one.

    Marci (fbaa8c)

  39. Has anyone read about Sean Hannity’s real estate holdings? It was leaked from the confiscated office of Cohen.

    Is it legal to divulge his private information? Does Sean have any recourse? Can he get a TRO?

    Obviously I am not a lawyer.

    Sunny (d7fa2b)

  40. the trashy men and women of the fbi are doing leaks on Mr. Hannity cause they wanna intimidate people by demonstrating they can violate their civil rights with impunity just like how the Nazis used to do on people in old times Germany

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. And a certain set of folks are giggling, happyfeet.

    Richard Aubrey (10ef71)

  42. most of their juvenile tittering is just for show

    it’s all about social positioning with them ones Mr. Aubrey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. Herr Mueller?

    The blame game. It’s Sessions fault. No, it’s Rosenstein. No, it’s Comey but wait…. it’s Mueller who is the problem.

    It couldn’t possibly be the guy who said Obama wasn’t a US citizen. The guy with the fraudulent university. The one who lied about releasing his taxes. Lied about his staff meeting with Russians. Nope.

    You give new meaning to “Never Trump”.

    noel (b4d580) — 4/23/2018 @ 1:50 pm

    Herr Mueller, CRRR who interviewed for FBI Director but was rejected. Interviewed for SC-I mean hired-was it the next day? To investigate the guy he was apparently willing to work for, we’ll never really know. Who knows what Herr Mueller would have done to Trump…

    THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  44. Rev, if the opposite wall bowed in would you shoot me? Like I leaned into it.

    I would shoot you. You need to know this up front.

    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 4/23/2018 @ 11:27 am

    Do you control the vertical and the horizontal?

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  45. It was leaked from the confiscated office of Cohen.

    No, it was not. It was from a year-long investigation of public records by the Guardian.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. How can you even believe that Cohen would have all this detailed information about Hannity’s 20 LLCs and 90 properties in five states, when Hannity himself said that Cohen was not his lawyer, he had never paid him a dime, and all he had done was ask him a few questions about real estate?

    nk (dbc370)

  47. leak leak

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  48. And it IS a two-party system (except when it’s a one-party system).

    The solution to Tweedledum vs Tweedledee is to CHANGE one of the two parties. As the Trump people did to the GOP. Fault them all you want on their maculate spokesman,

    Kevin M (752a26) — 4/23/2018 @ 11:38 am

    Is Trump one of those Maculate Degenerates Paul Harvey used to warn against?

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  49. How can you even believe that Cohen would have all this detailed information about Hannity’s 20 LLCs and 90 properties in five states, when Hannity himself said that Cohen was not his lawyer, he had never paid him a dime, and all he had done was ask him a few questions about real estate?

    nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2018 @ 2:41 pm

    Cohen was running a counterintelligence investigation against Wallbanger Properties LLC.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  50. Rand Paul To Back Pompeo For Secretary Of State, Virtually Ensuring Confirmation

    this is a remarkable development

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  51. Hey mr nk, would you say The Guardian was running an up and up “investigation” or do you think there is going to be a new subcategory of Doxxing where controversial figures get their holdings released to the public so agitators will know where to target?

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  52. Real estate records are public records. No doxxing involved. And this may be connected to the investigation of shady characters buying Trump properties to launder ill-gotten gains that’s been around for a while (even though Legal Insurrection apparently only just now heard of it).

    nk (dbc370)

  53. P&P,

    The ideas that Trump brought to the GOP needed to be brought and perhaps the table needed pounding, particularly with respect to the elites forgetting their duty to the citizenry.

    But Trump does not have the leadership, the concentration, nor the knowledge to get the changes made. He is being thwarted at every turn by the same people who FAILED to thwart Reagan.

    It has left him frustrated and angry and even less effective. The opposition has opened itself up for refutation and several turns, and Trump hasn’t been able to take advantage.

    So, the messenger has made a very flawed leader. “Maculate” seemed like a good term for him.

    (btw, it came from Heinlein)

    Kevin M (04ff43)

  54. Woops, the “leak” spin didn’t work, let’s switch to “doxxing”.

    Davethulhu (7e7722)

  55. *at several turns

    Kevin M (04ff43)

  56. What you do have is a real estate lawyer going up against career federal prosecutors, which is like having a Quartermaster Corps sergeant going up against the 82nd Airborne, and “Waah! It’s not fair!”

    nk (dbc370)

  57. Anyone see the Doonesbury comic from Sunday? April 22, 2018

    A link would make your point better.

    Oh, here it is: http://doonesbury.washingtonpost.com/strip/archive/2018/4/22

    And no, it’s a cheap shot, as usual from Trudeau. Also, Teddy Kennedy was unavailable for comment.

    Kevin M (04ff43)

  58. Trump: “five will get you ten, ten will get you twenty. Find the queen, win your prize”
    Conservatives: “Twenty dollars! I say, good show old man, here’s my crisp ten dollar bill!”
    Trump: “All right, left, right, where’s the queen, where’s the queen…pick.”
    Conservatives “Well, I was watching most closely, and it is the third card.”
    Trump “You lose, next.”
    Conservatives “But…but…I was assured of a twenty dollar bill! The outrage!”
    Crowd of voters: “Move along, dumbass.”

    Trump is playing a game. So are the leftists. The oh so preciously smart conservatives aren’t playing a game, they don’t even know there is a game. It is why they lose all the time. They feel outraged and annoyed, but what they really are is suckers.

    Ricky Jay, that master of sleight of hand and student of cons and con men says that the smarter we think we are, the easier we are taken. “For me, the ideal audience would be Nobel Prize winners…their egos tell them they can’t be fooled,” he says. “No one is easier to fool.”

    It seems unfair. Boo-hoo. But it is the only game anyone is playing right now, so either learn to play, or move along.

    Trump wins the leftist game because he is just a glorified street hustler, and he has been street hustling his entire life. He doesn’t have to be smarter than his audience, he just has to know how the game is played, and how to win it. Hint: Always be the guy shuffling the cards, not the guy making the guess. And guess what? The president always gets to shuffle the cards.

    Cassandra (a815b9)

  59. @27. Do crypts have curtains?

    In Sunnydale.

    Kevin M (04ff43)

  60. No, it was not. It was from a year-long investigation of public records by the Guardian. nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2018 @ 2:38 pm

    Yes, we must all congratulate them on their almost miraculous timing.

    Sucker.

    Cassandra (a815b9)

  61. So who do you think is getting fleeced in this scenario, Cassandra? And are you smart? And are you a conservative?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  62. Real estate records are public records. No doxxing involved. And this may be connected to the investigation of shady characters buying Trump properties to launder ill-gotten gains that’s been around for a while (even though Legal Insurrection apparently only just now heard of it).

    nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2018 @ 3:02 pm

    Oh no, mr nk, I’m not disputing that real estate records like(in some states) handgun permits and who donated money to anti-Proposition Gay Marriage proponents, aren’t public records. I’m asking if people are aggregating these records and making them conveniently searchable for the purpose of making left wing agitator’s lives easier.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  63. Some good news, the hit-and-run van driver was apparently capture. Some crazy video, it looks like the guy was trying to get the cop to shoot him.

    https://twitter.com/CBCTheNational/status/988540736709779456

    Davethulhu (7e7722)

  64. I know there are Land Men out there every day trying to buy up people’s mineral rights but I think they still have to physically go to the county court house to search.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  65. Woops, the “leak” spin didn’t work, let’s switch to “doxxing”.

    Davethulhu (7e7722) — 4/23/2018 @ 3:08 pm

    Yes I’d like to know what properties Joe and sidepiece Mika, Alan Greenspan and Andrea Mitchell, Gary Trudeau and Jane Pauley etc own but I don’t have the time to fly to NY and research it myself.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  66. P&P,

    The ideas that Trump brought to the GOP needed to be brought and perhaps the table needed pounding, particularly with respect to the elites forgetting their duty to the citizenry.

    The NT’s should look at him as a beneficial mutation.

    But Trump does not have the leadership, the concentration, nor the knowledge to get the changes made. He is being thwarted at every turn by the same people who FAILED to thwart Reagan.

    I don’t think RR fought the Carthaginians at Cannae.

    It has left him frustrated and angry and even less effective. The opposition has opened itself up for refutation and several turns, and Trump hasn’t been able to take advantage.

    It’s a fair critique.

    So, the messenger has made a very flawed leader. “Maculate” seemed like a good term for him.

    (btw, it came from Heinlein)

    I may have known that in the distant past. Seems intuitive to drop the “im” from immaculate.

    Kevin M (04ff43) — 4/23/2018 @ 3:08 pm

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  67. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bernie-sanders-slams-billionaires-gets-reminded-he-owns-3-houses

    Surely you’re familiar with this story?

    Davethulhu (7e7722) — 4/23/2018 @ 3:49 pm

    Yes. I’m sure a similar thing would have happened to Elizabeth Warren had she run in the primary against Hillary.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  68. So if Trump is not impeached, he’ll be peached?

    There’s tons of databases about leftists and Commies, Pinandpuller. I think some of it is called “oppo research”. All you have to do is look for them. And, since they’re maintained by right-wingers and Capitalists, probably pay for the information.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. And if there were not, as you imply, whose fault would that be?

    nk (dbc370)

  70. Sean Hannity didn’t have the same vulnerabilities as a Charlie Rose or a Bill O’Reilly but he does like to dip his finger in real estate.

    The Ramsey House in Boulder is still for sale real cheap…

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  71. There’s tons of databases about leftists and Commies, Pinandpuller. I think some of it is called “oppo research”. All you have to do is look for them. And, since they’re maintained by right-wingers and Capitalists, probably pay for the information.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2018 @ 3:57 pm

    I’m sure you’re old enough to remember mailing lists, lol.

    Let me lay a Bob Hartman quote on you, “Why are you looking for the devil when you should be looking for The Lord?”

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  72. And if there were not, as you imply, whose fault would that be?

    nk (dbc370) — 4/23/2018 @ 3:59 pm

    The Unseen Hand. No, it goes back to those who would be ideologically pure and those who would fight fire with fire. And the NT’s who would burn their own crops and flocks.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  73. You know, sometimes even Republicans have to take responsibility for their stupidity and/or cupidity and not cry “Waaah, it’s not fair!” when the sun does not shine on their entitled asses all the time. Like this six-term GOP idiot in Colorado who could not be bothered to get 1,000 legal signatures to get on the primary ballot. A Congressional District has about 711,000 people!

    nk (dbc370)

  74. So Bill Clinton’s spiritual adviser begat a son, and his name was Bart. And now this is a thing:

    Bart Campolo Now a Humanist Chaplain
    While his Wikipedia page only mentions his involvement in Christian causes, I knew I had read about a secular connection. But, just a few clicks down I saw he is the Humanist chaplain at the University of Southern California and a speaker for the Secular Student Alliance (SSA).

    On the USC web page, it explains:

    Over the course of his ministry career, Bart gradually transitioned from Christianity to secular humanism. As the first Humanist Chaplain at USC, he is committed to developing a community that offers regular inspiration, pastoral care, supportive fellowship and service opportunities to students, faculty, staff members and local families and individuals exploring or actively pursuing secular goodness as a way of life.

    Christianity of the 80’s, 90’s and Today

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  75. Of those who ran in 2016, who? WHO? Say his name!

    I wrote-in the only conservative who was running (McMullin).

    Happy now?

    Dave (452783)

  76. I know Hillary and I think she’d make a great president. – Donald Trump

    Dave (452783)

  77. ““I don’t want to hurt the Clintons, I really don’t. She went through a lot and suffered greatly in many different ways, and I am not looking to hurt them at all.” – Donald Trump, promising to protect Hillary from prosecution

    Dave (452783)

  78. The Master Blaster… teh Main Boy With teh Joy Toy… teh Boss With teh Hot Sauce… teh Mullah of teh Mundane… teh Sultan of Scat… teh Commander of Salamanders… teh Chancellor of Chukchansi… teh Emir of Erronea… teh Prince of Prevarication… teh Duke of Dookie… teh Capo di tutti frutti…

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  79. So who do you think is getting fleeced in this scenario, Cassandra? And are you smart? And are you a conservative? Leviticus (efada1) — 4/23/2018 @ 3:20 pm

    1) Fleeced? All the suckers who go along with the leftist con games. In this case, those who are absolutely convinced the FBI raid on Cohen’s office was perfectly rational and apolitical. The people who think this is about charges, and rules, and the law. They are imagining that the three card monty dealer is on the up and up, and that they actually have some chance of winning.

    Know what happens when you catch someone cheating during three card monty? If you are lucky you get called a lot of names, and the dealer disappears with the cash. In the worst case, a big fellow, at the back of the crowd, steps forward and gives you a smack. Where’d he come from?

    I get it. Trump is a street hustler as well. My response is, so what? Only another hustler can beat the hustle. He’ll probably get a smack in the end, but he is awful good at this game – maybe the best.

    2) Am I smart? Nah, dumb as a log. Dumb enough not to get taken.

    3) Am I conservative? I certainly agree with most of their goals and objectives, not out of some sort of group identity or ideology, but because I think most of their policy prescriptions make us happier, freer, and more wealthy. I’m a big fan of basic math, economics, and what works. I also think progressives have a knack for finding ever newer and more terrible ideas to impose on us.

    That said, I think conservatives get a little too…what is the right word? Fussy? Like most such ideologically defined groups they have become a bit ossified, they start to recite the mantra of conservatism without actually understanding its purpose and meaning.

    Is Trump a liar? Is the three card monty guy a liar? I suppose so, but you are a fool if you believe everything you see and hear from a guy like that. At some point your own naivete should be held against you. And it doesn’t help, when the entire progressive movement and the Washington establishment are three card monty players as well. So we are often seeing two or three scams play out against each other at the same time.

    Cassandra (a815b9)

  80. I wrote-in the only conservative who was running (McMullin).

    Happy now?

    Dave (452783) — 4/23/2018 @ 4:24 pm

    He’s as conservative as Trump in paying his creditors lol.

    You think this guy was influenced by Trump’s reckless speech:

    A 32-year-old-man was stabbed after getting into an altercation with a FedEx employee while walking near 33rd Street and 5th Avenue in Midtown Manhattan earlier today.

    According to witnesses, the victim accidentally bumped into the FedEx employee and an argument ensued, resulting in the man getting stabbed at least four times.

    Source

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  81. Evan McMullin needs a lawyer who will mortgage his house to pay EM’s campaign debt lol.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  82. Maybe Mr FedEx guy was influenced by Dontell Jackson Trigger Warning:

    We Thought They Were White

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  83. nk–

    The requirement that signature gatherers must be state residents has been thrown out by federal courts numerous times. It’s a ploy they used to use on the LP, since signature gathering for third parties is ubiquitous and there many not be a solid organization in each state.

    The judge may be right wrt STATE law, but the Congressman should easily prevail in federal court.

    From Richard Winger’s invaluable Ballot Access News:

    In 2008, the Tenth Circuit ruled in an Oklahoma case that bans on out-of-state circulators are unconstitutional. Yes on Term Limits v Savage, 550 F.3d 1024 (2008). Colorado is in the Tenth Circuit. The Colorado Supreme Court did not mention the Yes on Term Limits decision, and said it is not expressing any opinion on whether the Colorado residency requirement for circulators is constitutional or not.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  84. @51. this is a remarkable development

    The worm has turned, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. In short, nk, he collected more VALID signatures than he needed, and did so in a manner that federal courts have ruled is legal, but the state supreme court blindly followed an unconstitutional statute.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  86. Canadians Gone Wild. No wonder Ted Cruz renounced his citizenship:

    A Canadian man studying hallucinogenic medicine in the Amazon rainforest has been killed by a Peruvian mob, who blame him for murdering a respected elderly shaman.

    Sebastian Woodroffe, 41, traveled to Peru to study natural medicine and to seek enlightenment.

    However his journey towards ‘deeper meaning’ took a dark turn when he allegedly shot Indigenous healer Olivia Arevalo Lomas, 81, dead.

    Daily Mail

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  87. @84. Gee, PP, Hannity knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy into real estate.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. “Today, we have a president who seems to reject the role of a free press in our democracy,” {Hillary] said. “Although obsessed with his own press coverage, he evaluates it based not on whether it provides knowledge or understanding, but solely on whether the daily coverage helps him and hurts his opponents.”

    No, dear. Today we have a president who is endlessly entertaining and looks much better in a suit than you do.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. Dave: I wrote-in the only conservative who was running (McMullin).

    Happy now?

    McMullin started his campaign after Trump already had the nomination. There were something like 16 Republican candidates when the campaign started. None of them appealed to you? Or, you couldn’t make a decision until August 2016? You don’t owe me an answer — it just seems odd to avoid coming out with it.

    As for McMullin, he seems to like retweeting anything that compares Trump to Hitler. Seems totally hinged.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  90. Where I’m at, for a write-in vote to count the person must be registered with the county clerk as a write-in candidate. McMullin was, none of the GOP candidates from the primary were, and I did not know anything about the others on the county clerk’s list.

    nk (dbc370)

  91. None of them appealed to you? Or, you couldn’t make a decision until August 2016? You don’t owe me an answer — it just seems odd to avoid coming out with it.

    I thought you were asking about the general election.

    I have posted many times that I supported Walker (first choice) and then Cruz after Walker’s campaign cratered. I donated money to both, multiple times to Cruz. I also made one donation to Rubio after he finished third in Iowa, since I liked his Iowa speech (especially compared to Cruz’s epic failure) and he appeared to be the only one with any chance of competing against Trump in NH at the time. Sadly, it was all for nought.

    I voted for Cruz in the California primary (this was after Indiana, so the race was already over) and quit the Republican party after 35 years as a registered member, and 40 years of participation (I volunteered to work the phone banks for President Ford in 1976, when I was 13, and also volunteered for Reagan when I was 17) the next day.

    Dave (445e97)

  92. @84. Gee, PP, Hannity knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy into real estate.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 4/23/2018 @ 5:57 pm

    Does Judge Kimba do Catholic divorces and second weddings or does she know a guy?

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  93. @94. ‘Self-deportation.’ It’s a Romney thing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. Broward County SD gets aggressive and proactive on combating Kyle Kashuv:

    On Friday, Parkland survivor Kyle Kashuv went to the gun range to learn to fire a gun for the first time, alongside his father. He tweeted this:
    It was great learning about our inalienable right of #2A and how to properly use a gun. This was my first time ever touching a gun and it made me appreciate the #Constitution even more. My instructor was very informative; I learnt a lot. #2A is important and we need 2 preserve 2A…

    Then Monday he got called out of class for questioning:

    I asked if I had done anything wrong. Again, they answered no. I asked why I was there. One said, “Don’t get snappy with me, do you not remember what happened here a few months ago?”
    They continued to question me aggressively, though they could cite nothing I had done wrong. They kept calling me “the pro-Second Amendment kid.” I was shocked and honestly, scared. It definitely felt like they were attempting to intimidate me.
    I was treated like a criminal for no reason other than having gone to the gun range and posted on social media about it.

    Lawyer Signal Detected

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  95. @94. ‘Self-deportation.’ It’s a Romney thing.

    More of a Churchill thing, really.

    “Some men change their party for the sake of their principles; others their principles for the sake of their party.” – Winston Churchill

    Dave (445e97)

  96. I got lost in Cassandra’s endless analogy, but I did get that s/he thinks Trump is a con man. We now have a point of agreement.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  97. I suppose so, but you are a fool if you believe everything you see and hear from a guy like that.

    Same thing I have been saying for nearly two years!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  98. Thank you, Kevin, I did not know that.

    nk (dbc370)

  99. It’s one of those little pieces of info you pick up if you hang out in a 3rd party for a while. TPTB love to frack with 3rd party ballot access.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  100. P&P
    The BSO and BCSD have gone full stupid at MSD, apparently deciding that triple deadbolting the barn door now will make up for letting the horse out two months ago. But apparently Kyle’s fellow students were the source of this stunt.

    I was surprised that he had no firearms experience before now.

    Broward County has a public shooting range not all that far from Parkland. It has extra hours during tourist/snowbird season. Google Markham Park if you want details.

    BTW, in Broward public records are available online and searchable, albeit a bit clumsily, and you have to go sleuthing for shell companies, especially investment properties.
    F.I., go to bcpa.net, click on property search, and search for records at 2711 South Ocean Drive, Hollywood. That’s Trump Tower, Hollywood FL edition. Some of the shell names reference Trump, but best I can tell neither the Donald nor Trump Organization have any actual ownership in the building (unless it’s masked by one of those corporate names, which would require searching records on the Florida Secretary of State’s website).

    Kishnevi (857e3e)

  101. How long before they start questioning every student where a gun is registered in the household?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  102. You are an ADD dream come true, Mr Kishnevi.

    I wonder why some enterprising young Chicagoan hasn’t filed a change of address on the Trumps.

    I guess I got punked on Waffle House dude getting picked up in White House but it would have been so poetic. OHB and Hobson Pike is so meh.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  103. There was talk in the long long ago about Trump licensing his name so it would be interesting to see how that affects real estate records and transactions.

    I know some records regarding LEO’s can be restricted but I’m sure it varies widely.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  104. 98
    Churchill had a bit of experience there: he started off as a Conservative, crossed over to the Liberals in 1904, and then after a brief time as an independent, rejoined the Conservatives in 1924. So his first stint as First Lord of the Admiralty (in WWI) was with the Libs, his second (the first eight or nine months of WWII) with the Tories.

    Kishnevi (857e3e)

  105. I’m even better than ADD: I’m full blown aspie.

    Kishnevi (857e3e)

  106. Dave: I have posted many times that I supported Walker (first choice) and then Cruz after Walker’s campaign cratered. I donated money to both, multiple times to Cruz.

    Walker? Interesting. Were you as content with the attempted recall and John Doe investigation as you are with the Trump collusion investigation? I see plenty of parallels. Looks like Walker had his own deep state to deal with, or is that an unfounded conspiracy theory concocted by cultists?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  107. RV, when did Walker engage in financial skullduggery and questionable real estate deals with foreign nationals (a large portion of whom originated in ex-Soviet countries)? Did Walker have a career as con man, grifter, and sleaxy bum about town before entering politics?

    Kishnevi (857e3e)

  108. 89, I respect those Peruvians for dealing with it rather letting the authorities handle it and kvetching with their friends on FB about how Anglophone white tourists are taken alive and dark people in Tor….oops they got that van guy alive, my bad

    urbanleftbehind (aa314b)

  109. Did Walker have a career as con man, grifter, and sleaxy bum about town before entering politics?

    Yeah, you’re right. I doubt we could find hardly anyone in, say, Madison who would think that of Walker.

    If it were President Walker, I doubt the gears of the investigative state would be sitting idle. How about you?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  110. @98. Meh. Trump was hired; Churchill was fired.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. RV, with Walker, Cruz or almost anyone else there would be no excuse to investigate….

    Do you not understand that Trump is at least as corrupt (possibly more) as any of these Deep State people? Or do you not care?

    Kishnevi (857e3e)

  112. RV, with Walker, Cruz or almost else there would be no excuse to investigate….

    So, the John Doe investigation was valid? Is that seriously your position? Because, if it is you’ve just committed credibility suicide. And, if it isn’t then what the hell are you talking about?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  113. Do you not understand that Trump is at least as corrupt (possibly more) as any of these Deep State people?

    Actually, yes I do. It’s possible. The thing is, we can vote him out of office. We can also send a message at midterms, as the framers intended. He is directly accountable to the people.

    Are you not aware that there are many influential people who completely resist the idea of congressional oversight of the DOJ and FBI? That these agencies should be completely independent, meaning unaccountable to the people? Perhaps you’re one of them. Do you not see any danger in that? If Trump and these agencies are indeed equally corrupt, then you should have very little to fear of Trump compared what you should fear of them.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  114. You know, basketball ring isn’t as bad as it sounds compared to (note the photo): http://uproxx.com/dimemag/mitt-romney-taunts-russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-utah-jazz-video/

    urbanleftbehind (aa314b)

  115. “I got lost in Cassandra’s endless analogy, but I did get that s/he thinks Trump is a con man. We now have a point of agreement. Patterico (115b1f) — 4/23/2018 @ 7:35 pm”

    But alas you still don’t understand who is being conned. Hint- it’s not me, and not Trump voters. And not Trump. That sorta narrows down the field, doesn’t it?

    Same thing I have been saying for nearly two years! Patterico (115b1f) — 4/23/2018 @ 7:35 pm “Hey guys, I think this three card monty player might not be on the up and up…um…guys?”

    Sheesh. Really? Do tell.

    Trump voters have always known the game. You think you have some special insight, when you tell us? The dems have been shucking us like an oyster for years. Unlike most smart conservatives we know a con man when we see one.

    This is the source of the anger and frustration between many Trump voters and yourself. Trump is a con man, but good news, he’s giving us his winnings. And he is sticking to the con-men on the left. Not how I would refer to win, but I’m sick of losing.

    Or do you have some super secret conservative plan for victory?

    Cassandra (c33ba9)

  116. Man these Trump guys are getting so bitter. What’s up with that?

    he’s giving us his winnings. And he is sticking to the con-men on the left. Not how I would refer to win, but I’m sick of losing.

    Yeah, that budget is balanced, Obamacare and rampant illegal immigration are things of the past, and we’re not repeating Madeline Albright’s strategy for North Korea. #winning

    Loser.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  117. The thing is, we can vote him out of office.

    The majority of Americans didn’t vote him into office in the first place. Just pointing that out. Mr. Winner lost the popular vote by several million. To Hillary Clinton, who is terrible (except to that sucker Trump, as Dave pointed out). Americans haven’t ever stopped rejecting Trump, over and over.

    That’s where the bitterness and endless Trump fan insecurity is coming from.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  118. Cleopatra wished she got bit by ADD.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  119. he started off as a Conservative, crossed over to the Liberals in 1904, and then after a brief time as an independent, rejoined the Conservatives in 1924.

    So, I guess you actually CAN re-rat.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  120. @111 urbanleftbehind

    Sorey, we don’t have any rope. Would you like a donut and some free housing?

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  121. “The majority of Americans didn’t vote him into office in the first place.“

    – Dustin

    So funny how Trump’s supporters would have everyone forget this, when they say “Trump was the choice of the people!!!”

    Great to see you, Dustin.

    Leviticus (0b0b02)

  122. The majority of Americans didn’t vote him into office in the first place. Just pointing that out.

    This is the usual BS from the sore loser faction.

    The last time a majority of Americans voted a president into office was, well, never. Even if you exclude children, it’s still never. Often as not, they don’t get a majority of actual voters. Clinton never did.

    Guess which president (except those elected by the House) got the lowest percentage of the popular vote?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  123. The whole popular vote thing is as idiotic as claiming the Dodgers really won the world series because they got the most hits. It was not contested on the popular vote basis. If it had been, the vote in uncontested states like California would have been much different. For starters, it would have been contested.

    Trump won the majority of votes in the 2016 election. The only votes that count. Period. Stop lying.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  124. And I thank God after every presidential election that we have an electoral college. It keeps the scoundrels at bay.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  125. Well at least I can go to sleep tonight knowing that David Hogg is going to Gay Prom +1.

    Pinandpuller (0b28c7)

  126. If I were a republican running for office I would put the blame on Paul and Mitch Arnold.

    mg (9e54f8)

  127. Great to see you too, Leviticus!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  128. This is the usual BS from the sore loser faction.

    The last time a majority of Americans voted a president into office was, well, never.

    More incoherence from partisan Team R. Guess who voted, Kevin? The voters. This isn’t that complicated.

    The last time a majority of American voters voted a president into Office was President Obama. Previous to that was President George W Bush’s second term. Before that, President Bill Clinton. You see, it’s actually the norm, and something that is very, very important for common sense reasons. We as a people implicitly believe in a sense of justice and democracy, even if our wise expert leaders from generations ago decided to complicate matters enormously as they devised a rather silly political system that immediately fell into rampant partisanship such as yours. It is a system of easy manipulation and “us vs them.” It flies in the face of the nation’s purpose and motto.

    It was not contested on the popular vote basis. If it had been, the vote in uncontested states like California would have been much different. For starters, it would have been contested.

    What’s your point? Why do people feel the need to explain the already well understood, and pretend the truth of basic, but unrelated facts is a replacement for a point?

    If your point is that Trump would obviously not be president if the majority of American voters decided the election (whether or not California went to Trump, bwaahahahahahahahahahaha), then you are correct.

    Yes, I recognize that a popular vote model is supposed to be more advantageous to the left for some reason, I think urban areas being easier to cheat with. But I’m talking about reality today. The reality is as it has always been: most Americans, and most American voters, do not want Trump to be president. They never did. Trump winning the EC but not the people is actually a reasonable thing to say, and does not make me a “sore loser.” In fact, the folks who are sore about this fact appear to be partisan Republicans (also known as the problem with our country).

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  129. If I were a republican running for office I would put the blame on Paul and Mitch Arnold.

    mg (9e54f8) — 4/24/2018 @ 12:53 am

    Blame parents. Blame education. Blame how easy we’ve got it and how social media has created a culture of even deeper division and self regard.

    But at the end of the day, we get the government we deserve.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  130. Before that, President Bill Clinton

    Bill Clinton was NEVER elected by a majority. A PLURALITY, yes, but not a majority. More voters wanted someone else each time.

    Often Presidents are elected by plurality. But that wasn’t really my point. The whole “popular vote” thing is COMPLETE AND UTTER WANK. Trump did not try to get a single vote in California, New York, Illinois or Massachusetts. Many GOP voters there stayed home, and this can be seen down-ballot, particularly in ballot issues. Others felt they had a “free vote” and voted for a libertarian or McMuffin.

    In short, the POPULAR VOTE was not contested. Not a single dime was spent to win it, by either candidate. And only a fool would try.

    So, citing it is JUST as intellectually dishonest as citing the number of hits a baseball team gets, or the number of first downs a football team gets. IT’S NOT THE WAY IT IS SCORED.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  131. What’s your point? Why do people feel the need to explain the already well understood, and pretend the truth of basic, but unrelated facts is a replacement for a point?

    If it was well understood, you’d be whining less about the popular vote. Every time you do that, I will take you for a fool.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  132. BTW, my question before, about the President with the worst popular vote total who won the electoral vote: Abraham Lincoln, with less than 40%.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  133. Abraham Lincoln? Just another Republican who stole an election from a virtuous democrat. That time the democrats were so mad they started a war over it. Well, that and trying to take their slaves away.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  134. Now, do you get it, Patterico? Trump is playing three-card monte but not with Cassandra or his other supporters. He plays an honest game with them. Because he loves them. And he is too honest to con them. And Cassandra is way too smart to be conned. No, no, no, the only people Trump is conning are the people who don’t like him and don’t trust him.

    nk (dbc370)

  135. I never thought I’d be writing these words, but Kanye West seems to understand our current predicament a lot better than many folks around here do.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  136. Mr. West is having a moment of clarity and it does my heart good to see it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  137. And you’re too smart to be conned by your anti Trump allies on the left, right nk? Because all those pro Hillary anti Trump socialists, democrats, leftists, liberals and communists have always been sooooo honest with you and the American people. You really need to think about which side you’re on. The lefts, or ours. Cause right now you sound like Nazi Pelosi.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  138. When Leviticus returned, las night, I thought for sure he was going to engage in thoughtful debate with Cassandra, considering that she took the time to answer each of his questions. Instead he praised someone who doesn’t understand how Presidents are elected? Hopefully this new day will be different and an actual debate on the merits will ensue.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  139. Shorter Dustin and nk: “I gotta stugots”…

    “Generally seen as underwater, below the surface things are very different for Trump. President Trump elicits strong reactions from two-thirds of America’s electorate. Yet among the one-third in neither camp, the president is quietly doing quite well.

    Rasmussen’s 4/16 daily tracking poll, the same polling closest to 2016’s popular vote, gave interesting insight into President Trump’s support. Overall, Trump’s job approval rating was 51 percent (48 percent disapproval). Among the hardcore, his strong support was 35 percent; his strong disapproval: 39 percent.

    On the surface, these results are unexciting… until compared to 2016’s actual results. In 2016, Trump received just 46.1 percent of the popular vote. Rasmussen’s 4/16 results put him five percent ahead of what won him the presidency.

    Also, Rasmussen’s 4/16 hardcore results closely mimic 2016 exit polling.”

    https://spectator.org/trumps-below-the-surface-strength/

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  140. What all of this talk of points and scoring and sports analogies attempts to obscure is the fact that we are talking about an election, and the currency of elections has always been human votes. Yes: our Framers implemented a different system for anti-populist purposes. But anytime more human votes are cast for Candidate A than Candidate B, and Candidate B is “elected,” there is going to be some serious skepticism regarding Candidate A’s mandate. There is nothing surprising about this.

    Leviticus (0b0b02)

  141. Kanye West
    Sopranos
    Too Millennial for me. W.C. Fields was talking about Trumpkins when he said this: “You can’t cheat an honest man. Never give a sucker an even break, and never smarten up a chump.” Here’s the video.

    nk (dbc370)

  142. Ask any medical researcher. The most universally effective medicine is the placebo. If people think Trump is doing all right by them, he is doing all right by them. Worked for snake oil peddlers selling rheumatism cures and it works for Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  143. I guess the same holds true for people who think Trump is doing a terrible job.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  144. The left hates Trump for 6 main reasons: he beat the snot out of Crooked Hillary; he loosened the regulatory restraints on America’s capitalist economy; he created millions of new jobs; he reduced taxation; he opposes illegal migration; and he exposed the Democrat infested Federal Bureaucracy as the true enemy of American freedom and independence.

    All this and so much more.

    ropelight (9c31ab)

  145. He’s not just a president he’s a good friend to the people. He’s got the right solutions that’s for sure.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  146. I guess the same holds true for people who think Trump is doing a terrible job.

    He’s like the Sears mechanic who recently changed my oil. He also told me my car needed a new serpentine and alignment.

    Well, my car does not need alignment. He just hadn’t bothered to check my tire pressure and it was way messed up after three months of Chicago winter driving. I had to take care of it myself. So, after that, I checked to make sure he had put in enough oil and keep checking under the car for oil leaks in case he didn’t properly tighten the drain plug or filter. And I don’t know whether to worry about the serpentine.

    So it’s not whether Trump is doing a terrible job. It’s that I don’t like him (I never did) and I don’t trust him. Cause there are many more things wrong with him than failing to check tire pressure and claiming it’s bad alignment.

    nk (dbc370)

  147. It’s that I don’t like him (I never did) and I don’t trust him.

    Placebo.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  148. 149. Going to Sears for an oil change was just one among many of your mistakes.

    Sheesh.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  149. You might not want to overwork the placebo thing. The modern definition has its origins in the D-Day invasion at Normandy. Doctors found that wounded soldiers hurt less, and needed less morphine, once they were brought into the field hospitals and away from the fighting. When they had doctors and nurses taking care of them instead of German shells bursting around them and bullets whizzing over their heads.

    Vicks made a fortune from the theory with its VapoRub. It’s just Vaseline with a strong medicinal scent. The “cure” was your mommy rubbing it on your chest.

    Do I need to state the therefore as it relates to Trump and his supporters?

    nk (dbc370)

  150. Now that you see that it obviously applies to your thinking it is overworked?

    Haha.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  151. your pork tenderloin is at mariano’s for 1.25 a pound so i got me one

    probably toss it in the slow cooker come friday with some celeries

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  152. Going to Sears for an oil change was just one among many of your mistakes.

    It wasn’t always a mistake. Sears used to be a great company. But it is now emblematic of America’s decline. Like the Presidency.

    nk (dbc370)

  153. your pork tenderloin is at mariano’s for 1.25 a pound so i got me one

    probably toss it in the slow cooker come friday with some celeries

    At $1.25/lb, you should have gotten six. Don’t you have a freezer?

    I would roast it whole with your favorite rub at 425 for about 30-35 minutes depending on how big it is. Always turns out great for me. (Make sure there’s no excess rub that runs out to the pan when you put it in because it will burn at that temperature and stink up your kitchen.)

    nk (dbc370)

  154. i know i should have gotten a few but i have to carry it cause of I sold my car remember

    ok i can roast it and i have some rub i need to use up too

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  155. nk, when auto makers moved away from timing chains and adopted serpentine belts they created a rendezvous with disaster. Unlike chains, belts wear overtime to the point they must be replaced (usually about every 80,000 miles) to prevent major engine failure: the cylinders will eat the valves, and likely bend the camshaft.

    You’re fairly safe for at least a few months, but ignoring the issue and driving beyond the manufacturer’s recommendations usually voids any warranty protections, and may invalidate insurance too.

    A belt replacement is costly (mostly labor). If you like the car and intend to keep it go ahead and pony up. Otherwise, sell it as is.

    ropelight (9c31ab)

  156. Thank you, ropelight. I plan to do it soon. But not at Sears. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  157. feet, (assuming you’re a bachelor, and that at $1.25/lb you have a pork loin and not a tenderloin don’t cook the whole thing at once. It’s too much.

    I cut mine into 3rds, keep one section for a wet roast (to keep it moist), cut one into 3/4″ chops for entrees, and the other section into 1/4″ chops for breakfast and for sandwiches (individually wrap, date, and freeze everything you won’t use in the next 2 days).

    It works best for me. Good luck.

    ropelight (9c31ab)

  158. ok i’m a pull it out of the freezer and cut it after this call

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  159. and you’re right it says loin on it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  160. Yes! I was assuming a tenderloin of about 1.5 lbs. A loin is a different ball game.

    nk (dbc370)

  161. Serpentine Fire Belt… by Earth, Wind and Fire

    Yeah yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah
    When I hit teh Sears in the morning Oil not plugs to change
    Tell all the world my need is fulfilled although teh mechanic looks strange
    Oh as long as I’m near there is no fear that my wallet will bleed
    But when I’m away teh grease monkey he strays sharks begin to feed
    Ah when I hit this place in the morning teh coffee ignites my energy
    But teh grease monkey’s hands have brought new meaning of the word “fleece”

    Gonna tell the story morning glory all about the serpentine belt
    Gonna tell the story morning glory all about the serpentine belt
    Oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah, oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  162. Leviticus: What all of this talk of points and scoring and sports analogies attempts to obscure is the fact that we are talking about an election, and the currency of elections has always been human votes.

    So, would you like the administrative state to be held accountable by an imperfect electoral college or the popular vote, as it is currently accountable by neither.

    This was the original point made @116 before Dustin successfully introduced the usual red herring.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  163. Serpentine belt breaks normally only lunch an “interference”engine…

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  164. “It wasn’t always a mistake. Sears used to be a great company.”

    Yes… and you didn’t used to have to chase kids off your lawn.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  165. So, the John Doe investigation was valid? Is that seriously your position? Because, if it is you’ve just committed credibility suicide. And, if it isn’t then what the hell are you talking about?

    My point was exactly the opposite: it was so obviously a sham even the MSM gave up on it. Walker provides no fuel for investigators. Trump not only provided the fuel, but adds gasoline to help it burn.

    The DoJ needs oversight, of course. But a corrupt Trump won’t solve the problem of a corrupt DoJ: he will merely end up making it corrupt on his behalf.

    Kishnevi (abbfd8)


  166. The DoJ needs oversight, of course. But a corrupt Trump won’t solve the problem of a corrupt DoJ: he will merely end up making it corrupt on his behalf.
    Kishnevi (abbfd8) — 4/24/2018 @ 8:12 am


    I see no evidence of that. The DoJ among many agencies is corrupt and Trump had nothing to do with it. Right now we need to restore respect for law. Your dislike of Trump is putting deeds on him he has not committed. Most Trump haters do that. You really need to stop blaming and/or accusing Trump of things he hasn’t done but you think he will do.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  167. it was so obviously a sham even the MSM gave up on it.

    Yeah, after just three years the MSM put their pom poms down. History repeats itself.

    The DoJ needs oversight, of course. But a corrupt Trump won’t solve the problem of a corrupt DoJ:

    OK, oversight from what?

    random viking (6a54c2)

  168. 170… words of wisdom, Hoagie…

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  169. I would think those who impugn others thru their perception or anticipation of future misdeeds would absolutely hate to see that applied to themselves 24x7x365…

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  170. “So, would you like the administrative state to be held accountable by an imperfect electoral college or the popular vote, as it is currently accountable by neither.”

    – random viking

    I would like it to be held accountable by a president who is elected by the popular vote. All of the pretextual justifications for the Electoral College are antiquated – like the pretextual justifications for single-member FPP districts. What’s left is the central purpose of disenfranchisement.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  171. if hil-pig had won we’d never have learned how disgustingly corrupt the nazi fbi had become

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  172. The Wisconsin John Doe raids were not orchestrated by Deep State. They were orchestrated by elected officials. An elected district attorney and an elected judge. Democrats. Using the power of their elected offices to harass the supporters of a Republican governor. It has no parallel to Mueller. It does have a parallel to the Harris County prosecution of Rick Perry.

    nk (dbc370)

  173. And “Trump” and “respect for the law” do not belong in the same sentence. No President has shown less respect for the law — from telling police officers to slam arrestees’ heads into car doors, to b!tching and moaning that Sessions is not behaving like his personal enforcer, to bad-mouthing judges who don’t rule his way in his fraud cases, to saying he would throw Bergdahl out of a helicopter, to dozens more things — than this New York slug.

    nk (dbc370)

  174. Leviticus: I would like it to be held accountable by a president who is elected by the popular vote.

    So when Bill “won” the popular vote in 1992 with 43%, this squares with your enfranchisement ideal? Abolish the Senate? Just trying to understand….

    random viking (6a54c2)

  175. nk: The Wisconsin John Doe raids were not orchestrated by Deep State. They were orchestrated by elected officials. An elected district attorney and an elected judge.

    Sorry, no. You’re omitting the Government Accountability Board, which was central to it. It consists of appointed judges.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  176. I would like it to be held accountable by a president who is elected by the popular vote. All of the pretextual justifications for the Electoral College are antiquated – like the pretextual justifications for single-member FPP districts. What’s left is the central purpose of disenfranchisement.

    Leviticus (efada1) — 4/24/2018 @ 8:43 am

    That’s absurd and completely shameful nonsense from a lawyer. We are a nation of many different states with many different cultures. What keeps us united is that each of those regions have a voice in the national direction. Taking away the Electoral College destroys that and will lead to it’s replacement by a Venezuelan result.

    Drop the leftism. You’re too old to still believe in such foolishness.

    NJRob (dd0486)

  177. Respect for the facts

    Now, we’re getting them [criminals] out anyway, but we’d like to get them out a lot faster, and when you see these towns and when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, I said, please don’t be too nice. Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over, like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody. Don’t hit their head. I said, you can take the hand away, okay?

    While running for president, Trump called Bergdahl “a dirty rotten traitor” and repeatedly said that he should be executed. Nance had previously ruled that Trump’s comments did not constitute unlawful command influence because they were made before he was elected. But on October 16, the president spoke about Bergdahl again. When asked about the case, Trump said that he couldn’t discuss it, “But I think people have heard my comments in the past.”

    But then Trump is not a lawyer who understands the nuances of when attorney-client privilege applies and when it don’t.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  178. But then Trump is not a lawyer who understands the nuances of when attorney-client privilege applies and when it don’t.

    True. He’s a spoiled baby who wants his titty now!

    nk (dbc370)

  179. “Drop the leftism. You’re too old to still believe in such foolishness.”

    – NJRob

    You’re too old to believe that throwing around “Venezuelan” is going to scare anyone into finding validity in the rest of your argument.

    Does the Senate magically vanish along with the Electoral College? No? Then how is the cultural influence of the states “destroyed” by the abolition of the Electoral College?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  180. you just wanna change the rules cause piggy-boobs lost

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  181. “So when Bill “won” the popular vote in 1992 with 43%, this squares with your enfranchisement ideal?”

    – random viking

    At least Clinton “won” a plurality. Trump can’t even claim a plurality. How absurd is it that a man who received fewer votes than another candidate is president of the United States?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  182. True. He’s a spoiled baby who wants his titty now!

    You’re saying there’s no overlap between the two categories? I’ll say this for him, he likes his t’s real rather than the dream lover kind.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  183. The electoral college does more good than harm, although the fact that the electors cast their ballots for an obviously unfit candidate like Trump does call its relevance into question.

    The electoral college was created, essentially, to prevent a moral degenerate like Donald Trump from being elected, and along with every other political institution in 2016, it failed miserably.

    Dave (445e97)

  184. Yes good point that Clinton won a mere plurality. While Trump lost the choice of the people, winning on a literal technicality, Clinton got more votes than the other candidates and obviously was highly regarded by the people. But to an insecure Trump fan, bruised by the truth, this distinction may not be welcome. Even though you already knew.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  185. there’s a lot of conservative people in uber-blue places like california and in urban areas that don’t vote cause their vote is meaningless

    this is why is was easy for piggy-boobs to run up the popular vote

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  186. The Electoral College was created to prevent a tyranny of the majority. To encourage candidates to appeal to the nation as a whole, not concentrated parts. I see Spotted Eagle got one vote, so not sure what your complaint is.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  187. oops *it* was easy i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  188. What keeps us united is that each of those regions have a voice in the national direction.

    NJRob’s spirit is in the right place, but he’s not thinking this through. If you can get past Kevin’s allcaps and partisan tone for a second you can see his examples are EC products like Abraham Lincoln and Donald Trump. Examples of the nation being split apart into ‘us’ and ‘them’.

    The EC is only part of the problem. Our partisan nature is the true failure in our country. Too many people know full well that Trump lacks the character to be president, but still defend him because he is on ‘their side’. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton I suppose.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  189. Man, sure does suck that all those conservative people in California are completely disenfranchised in presidential elections. If only there was some way to solve this problem.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  190. I love President Trump Mr. Leviticus

    and i’m a vote for him if he runs again!

    it’ll be an honor and a privilege to cast my vote for him

    he’s adroit and discerning

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  191. “The Electoral College was created to prevent a tyranny of the majority.”

    – Scorcher

    But it’s overkill. The separation of powers and checks and balances built into the *functioning* of the three branches already serves this purpose effectively. Why not have an Electoral College in each congressional district, by this logic, to decide who gets sent to the House of Representatives?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  192. Do you mean the same conservative people that have a conservative state government due to there overwhelming weight at the state polls?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  193. Before Beldar spellchecks. There=their

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  194. checks and balances built into the *functioning* of the three branches already serves this purpose effectively.

    Ahh…so you mean that gerrymandered Congress that spends like a drunken sailor and that activist judiciary that empowers the mandarins that what us we need 14 smoke detectors in every 2000 square foot house and a rope across every swimming pool (just to pick the most mundane yet broadly applied)?

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  195. This whole democracy experiment was fine when the chemicals were pure — relatively prosperous men of healthy maturity* — but it’s not working out so good with all the dross added to the retort. Women, unemployed youths, old men, the poor. If we really want it to work, we should limit the franchise to men between the ages of 25 and 65, with an income above the national median on which they pay taxes. They’re really the only people who can be relied on to be “their own king”.

    I’m serious.

    *Few people lived long enough to attain an unhealthy maturity or lasted long in it.

    nk (dbc370)

  196. Aside from tangential benefit to Team R, because Team R does poorly in cities, why in the world would an election be more legitimate because some closet of strangers gets to actually choose our president, and not we the people? How is that sensible?

    If they served as some kind of failsafe from electing nutcases I could at least acknowledge that, but Dave’s right: we know they don’t now.

    The problem with the EC is not that it doesn’t help your side. It’s that it’s wrong, fundamentally.

    If we really want it to work, we should limit the franchise to men between the ages of 25 and 65, with an income above the national median on which they pay taxes.

    Interesting fantasy concept. This is not a bad reform, though I think the gender test goes too far (LOL). Not history or science facts about the environment or a test about the deficit or business. Just a math test at the high school level. Y’all get to disenfranchise people like you wanted the EC to do, but you also empower Americans who work and aren’t dumb.

    I’ll put that next to the balanced budget amendment and term limits and Bat-Man as fantasies that I find compelling.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  197. Sure sure Leviticus. Don’t mention Venezuela. Socialism will really work this time. You promise.

    NJRob (b00189)

  198. Sure sure Rob. This is about “socialism,” not basic democratic principles like “one person, one vote.” Very persuasive.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  199. What’s with the “with an income above the national median” qualifier? Not that it hurts me but so long as someone is paying taxes instead of living off of them, I’m good. If I was going to exclude any taxpayers, it would be those working for the government or government contractors. Lawyers would be a nice exclusion as well. Like they don’t already have enough influence anyway. They could run for office, just not vote. If I were…mmm…king…

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  200. Leviticus,

    The electorial college is a constitutional right.

    To take away that right because, Trump, where would it stop? An election by national referendum of all the senators and representatives? That states would only get to choose whixh democrats would run 100 percent of congress

    EPWJ (f2ab49)

  201. What’s with the “with an income above the national median” qualifier?

    We wouldn’t need Constitutional amendments to knock out most of the women, unemployed youths, retirees, and the generally poor for one thing, and if we want the best people in government they should be chosen by the most talented, industrious and resourceful members of society and not by those who just get by.

    nk (dbc370)

  202. 64.

    Some good news, the hit-and-run van driver was apparently capture. Some crazy video, it looks like the guy was trying to get the cop to shoot him.

    His motive was personal – angry at the world. he wanted people to regret his death. But the Canadian polkice wouldn’t shoot.

    We see here again, this is just about only done by people who accept they will die. This greatly reduces the numnber of these incidents but not to zero. If that were not true, there’d be a lot more of them.

    The Waffle House guy was really out of his mind. The person who stopped it said he was not superman or the Terminator and he was not a hero. He didn’t do it to save other people – he did it to save himself.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  203. The electorial college is a constitutional right.

    To take away that right because, Trump

    No, because “wrong.” Like many things our founders thought up, this isn’t working.

    That states would only get to choose which democrats would run 100 percent of congress

    If the GOP doesn’t really have the mandate of the people, that’s not the people’s fault. The democrats actually represent the liberal point of view. The republicans only pretend to represent a contrary point of view, and actually perform interference that totally prevents any reduction in the scope, size, and price of our government. That’s a big reason why the GOP is afraid of democracy. Power to the voters is a potential disruptive solution.

    An election by national referendum of all the senators and representatives?

    I have a neat idea: how about each congressional district that a representative ‘serves’ will have a popular vote decide on reps? And then we just do the same thing on a national level for presidents?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  204. The Democrats and the Republicans both really, really suck. As long as we’re talking about constitutional amendments, like the elimination of the Electoral College, we should talk about the elimination or minimization of congressional districts – which create the conditions for the two-party duopoly/ideological monopoly system which Americans take for granted.

    In the alternative, we can talk about the National Popular Vote Movement, as an interesting end-run around the Electoral College that doesn’t (seemingly) require any constitutional amendment.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  205. if we want the best people in government they should be chosen by the most talented, industrious and resourceful members of society

    Ah. So you’re good with the “no lawyers” rule. Cool. I like you. You can come over to my house and…wait, I don’t have a sister.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  206. > , we should talk about the elimination or minimization of congressional districts – which create the conditions for the two-party duopoly/ideological monopoly system which Americans take for granted.

    Man. could you imagine a statewide election for california’s congresspeople? it would be so unbelievably expensive to run in that.

    i’d go the other way: increase the number of legislators by tenfold so that the district size is much smaller and everyone can personally know their rep.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  207. What about the electoral college is “not working”?

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  208. but it’s not working out so good with all the dross added to the retort. Women, unemployed youths, old men, the poor.

    You forgot to add: “Greeks”.

    I mean, OK, sure, they invented the whole democracy thing two or three millenia ago, but what have they done to justify enfranchisement lately?

    Dave (445e97)

  209. We don’t need the Electoral College if States other than New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and California will just shut the hell up and let the populous big 5 pick our presidents.

    Why should the taxpayers in North Carolina or Virginia, or Utah have a say in who leads the nation? Of course, taxation without representation is wrong, but who ever promised voters in little bitty second-rate States the right to pick their own representatives?

    King George will make sure his subjects have someone appointed over them to politely voice their approved concerns if and when the King decides it’s appropriate to do so.

    ropelight (9c31ab)

  210. I’d be more agreeable to consider transitioning to the “popular vote” if Democrats and their lackeys weren’t so vociferous in opposing voter ID, limiting the vote to citizens, cleaning the voter rolls and so gung ho on open borders and unrestricted immigration.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  211. Ropelight, are you equally outraged about 1/8 of the nation’s citizens getting only 2% of the seats in the Senate?

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess not.

    Dave (445e97)

  212. A vote in Utah would count just as much as a vote in New York, which is at it should be. Are there are more votes to be cast in New York than Utah? Yeah. Is that a problem, except insofar as certain interest groups (e.g. Utah dwellers) want to overweigh their own votes? No.

    As usual, ropelight, you’re not fooling anyone.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  213. As I’ve said, I favor sticking with the electoral college, but if it becomes the norm for the popular vote winner to lose the electoral college, it will become politically untenable, I think.

    (The democrats are likely to win popular and electoral landslides in the next presidential election or two, at least, thanks to Trump, but the issue will surely come up again eventually).

    Dave (445e97)

  214. I’d be more agreeable to consider transitioning to the “popular vote” if Democrats and their lackeys weren’t so vociferous in opposing voter ID, limiting the vote to citizens, cleaning the voter rolls and so gung ho on open borders and unrestricted immigration.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 4/24/2018 @ 11:48 am

    This is really the most important and reasonable objection.

    Defeating the EC would take too much power away for it to be very realistic, but if we pretend that problem away, the real issue is cheating. Every city in America could have trunks of ballots easily used to disrupt the real results of elections. Back when I was a partisan republican, and wanted to be a lawyer (LOL) I worked for the legal team for multiple Republican political campaigns. Those same precincts I always recall being last to report on election night, always with a suspicious number of votes, they are cheating.

    Cheating goes beyond that, and extends to granting the voting franchise to felons and non-citizens, and I agree it extends to importing new voters the way the UK did. There’s no question we should have as absolute a voter ID system as possible, a completely minimized absentee voting system (only for those who really need it), severe penalties for cheaters and a law enforcement agency dedicated to finding those cheaters. And we need to curtail immigration to those who will contribute to our nation, be they a hard working person from Mexico or Japan. If they want to come here, they need to be on their own two feet or they cannot become citizens/voters.

    Importing beneficiaries of the public dole is just plain cheating.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  215. The democrats are likely to win popular and electoral landslides in the next presidential election or two, at least, thanks to Trump,

    Dave, I think our country has the memory of a ham sandwich. Trump could very well win re-election. If the democrats were smart, they would move to the center to sweep up so many votes, establishing themselves for a generation. They could reboot their party in the wake of this Hillary disaster, and give us a line about ‘balancing the budget while rebuilding our infrastructure’ ‘reducing the military complex and ending tax breaks altogether’ ‘making the responsible decisions on our benefits so our kids can get food stamps bla bla’

    The country would eat it up, and if the democrats did follow through, a lot of people would consider the GOP a joke.

    But the democrats are completely undemocratic. They are not controlled by their voters. Everything is fixed and controlled by a few powerful interests that see Trump as an opportunity to push the democrat party to the left. Ever onward left.

    So whatever disadvantage Trump creates, the democrats compensate for by being more caustic to a lot of Americans. they are so stupid.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  216. Anotehr example of people from an undeveloped country doing a job, more refined people are not willing to do?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/world/africa/migration-european-union-sudan.html

    At Sudan’s eastern border, Lt. Samih Omar led two patrol cars slowly over the rutted desert, past a cow’s carcass, before halting on the unmarked 2,000-mile route that thousands of East Africans follow each year in trying to reach the Mediterranean, and then onward to Europe.

    His patrols along this border with Eritrea are helping Sudan crack down on one of the busiest passages on the European migration trail. Yet Lieutenant Omar is no simple border agent. He works for Sudan’s feared secret police, whose leaders are accused of war crimes — and, more recently, whose officers have been accused of torturing migrants.

    This is not to stop terrorism.

    This is to stop ordinary people from improving their lives.

    People talk like Marxists – as if government regulation of economic activity can be done without force.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  217. Three years ago, when a historic tide of migrants poured into Europe, many leaders there reacted with open arms and high-minded idealism. But with the migration crisis having fueled angry populism and political upheaval across the Continent, the European Union is quietly getting its hands dirty, stanching the human flow, in part, by outsourcing border management to countries with dubious human rights records.

    In practical terms, the approach is working: The number of migrants arriving in Europe has more than halved since 2016. But many migration advocates say the moral cost is high.

    To shut off the sea route to Greece, the European Union is paying billions of euros to a Turkish government that is dismantling its democracy.

    More important: Shooting to kill people who attempt to cross the border. And tehre is no safe zone in Syria because the only safe zone are places that NATO troops would be committed to stay for decades to keep Syrian troops, and other bad forces, out – and that’s not any place in Syria. Anything else is delusional.

    In Libya, Italy is accused of bribing some of the same militiamen who have long profited from the European smuggling trade — many of whom are also accused of war crimes.

    In Sudan, crossed by migrants trying to reach Libya, the relationship is more opaque but rooted in mutual need: The Europeans want closed borders and the Sudanese want to end years of isolation from the West. Europe continues to enforce an arms embargo against Sudan, and many Sudanese leaders are international pariahs, accused of committing war crimes during a civil war in Darfur, a region in western Sudan.

    Enforcing immigration law, if carried to an extreme, will destroy every other value.

    In Libya, Italy is accused of bribing some of the same militiamen who have long profited from the European smuggling trade — many of whom are also accused of war crimes.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  218. How to Destroy Arguments to Abolish the Electoral College — Plus, a Black Friday Deal

    All the leftists want to abolish the Electoral College these days. If you want to beat down a leftist, it helps to know the history. You’ll have an advantage over leftists who don’t know it. Here’s a historical discussion of the origins of the Electoral College, from my three favorite history professors and authors: Tom Woods, Kevin Gutzman, and Brion McClahanan. It’s from Tom Woods’s podcast, a wonderful daily podcast I listen to regularly.

    Why the Electoral College Is Great, and No One Should Even Think About Abolishing It:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LEocayWFH8

    http://patterico.com/2016/11/25/how-to-destroy-arguments-to-abolish-the-electoral-college-plus-a-black-friday-deal/

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  219. buduh, can you summarize your argument in your own words?

    Generally, just responding with a link that itself is just a link to someone else’s point of view is just being lazy. It’s unpersuasive and reeks of ‘Internet Debate’ silliness instead of a real effort to understand the other point of view in the discussion.

    If you really want I can provide double the links and we can just go all day.

    Most of the time, arguments against the EC are a) it’s bad for your side or b) it makes cheating more powerful

    Those have been addressed. Do you have a different argument?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  220. Hey, Dustin! Long time no see. Hope you are doing well.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  221. Too lazy to listen?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  222. Sports analogies, apparently, are why we should keep the Electoral College. Baseball, relief pitchers, etc.

    If you have any faith in the people of this country to cast their votes responsibly – and I’m not saying that you must – then there is no sound justification for the Electoral College that should not be equally applied to the House of Representatives. If you think it necessary that an interlocutor be placed between voters and elected officials, at least be consistent about it.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  223. Great to see you too, aphrael. Life is good! Not really as invested in politics as I used to be, which is a very good thing.

    Too lazy to listen?

    BuDuh

    To your answers to my questions? Not at all. I promise I’ll give them honest consideration and a response. But if you’re just going to discuss by offering links that probably repeat points we’ve already discussed, then I don’t think the laziness was on my end.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  224. BuDuh’s links repeat points that Kevin M has already made, down to the sports analogies.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  225. Well your first comment to me reeked of laziness. It was full of assumptions about my intentions as well as the content of the source material I provided.

    The host did a fine job of explaining a position I agree with. You seem to not want to address that and, instead, attempt some sort of intimidation tactic. Maybe that style of discourse works for you, but it doesn’t for me. I see no need to expend any effort to sway such a closed mind.

    I do not think you are serious.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  226. Leviticus, thank you for lending Dustin a little help. Although the YouTube Patrick provided does dive much deeper.

    Use it as a reference or not. Your choice.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  227. oh, ok buduh, your argument is that I’m a big stupid head.

    The host did a fine job of explaining a position I agree with.

    You can’t even explain the position at all. If someone asks you what your opinion is, in your own words, most folks in these discussion threads in good faith are pleased their argument is going to get a real response. If I had to ask three times, that’s a clue you are not here in good faith.

    You’re hoping I spend a lot of time answering an argument you neither understand or even articulated, and then you’ll just spam some more copypasta or links. I’ve been around enough to recognize a troll.

    I’m not that familiar with you. Have you commented here under a different name? I’m sure you have. It’s one of those troll things.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  228. And yes, thanks Leviticus!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  229. Go ahead and act aggrieved now that you’re grandstanding didn’t pan out.

    Big whoop.

    It doesn’t hide the fact that you didn’t look at the link before you made incorrect assumptions about it. Now you have to know who I am? Boy did I call out your intimidation complex or what.

    You can listen to the YouTube or not. That is your choice. Making arguments to not listen to it is downright comical.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  230. Hahaha! One link to Patrick’s opinion is spam?? Haha!

    What is your problem?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  231. You’re = your, Beldar.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  232. BuDuh,

    Do you think that we should have an Electoral College in each congressional district, to decide who shall represent that district in Congress? Why or why not?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  233. Dustin, Leviticus and I already had the “take my ball and go home” conversation and came to a polite understanding that it ok to leave some arguments and move on without that ridiculous “what are you chicken?” type of garbage. I appreciate that type of maturity.

    After this display, I do not wish to have conversations with you. I hope you understand. Patrick has never even suggested that I am vacation material, and you have me down as a “troll?” I have posted respectfully and have been responsive to people, like Leviticus and DRJ, whom I mostly disagree with.

    Your unprovoked comment and its unreasonable tone, IMO, tells me enough.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  234. Hahaha! One link to Patrick’s opinion is spam?? Haha!

    What is your problem?

    BuDuh (fc15db) — 4/24/2018 @ 1:13 pm

    So let’s get this straight: you are the grand inquisitor of this website. You demand people bend over backwards to answer your many interrogations. You refuse to answer any question anyone asks you, and you limit your actual discussion to spamming links that merely repeat arguments already answered (muddying the thread with insults).

    I asked you a yes or no question about whether you’ve commented here under a different name, and your refusal to answer is a “yes”.

    I’m trying not to feed trolls so this will be my last comment to you.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  235. That is a good question, Leviticus. I don’t think it will work at the Congressional level because there is no good way to determine a total count of electors for grabs. I hope I understood the question.

    I wouldn’t mind some sort of electoral college variant to determine Governors. California might have a chance if LA and the Bay Area were weakened.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  236. You refuse to answer any question anyone asks you

    You really haven’t been around for awhile.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  237. I asked you a yes or no question about whether you’ve commented here under a different name, and your refusal to answer is a “yes”.

    Nice try. You asked a fake question as part of a statement to insult me.

    I’m not that familiar with you. Have you commented here under a different name? I’m sure you have. It’s one of those troll things.

    Dustin, only a true friend will tell you something you don’t want to hear. If you have one on this board maybe they will tell you how rude you are being.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  238. “I don’t think it will work at the Congressional level because there is no good way to determine a total count of electors for grabs. I hope I understood the question.”

    – BuDuh

    I think you did, and I appreciate the straight response. The fairly direct equivalent, though, would be one elector per state legislative district contained in the Congressional district. Assuming that were the system, do you think it would be a good idea?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  239. Vicks made a fortune from the theory with its VapoRub. It’s just Vaseline with a strong medicinal scent. The “cure” was your mommy rubbing it on your chest.

    Do I need to state the therefore as it relates to Trump and his supporters?

    nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2018 @ 6:37 am

    You need to apply some under your nose a la Silence of the Lambs. Or smoke Menthols.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  240. One elector to match the one representative you are voting for in the district as a means to select the representative?

    I think I’m missing something. What is the purpose of this group of electors? Maybe that will help me not overthink the question.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  241. i know i should have gotten a few but i have to carry it cause of I sold my car remember

    ok i can roast it and i have some rub i need to use up too

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/24/2018 @ 6:58 am

    Have mommy rub some Vick’s on it.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  242. Thank you, ropelight. I plan to do it soon. But not at Sears. 😉

    nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2018 @ 7:12 am

    A place like Valvoline has the proper tools and such but the last time I had it done it cost me a case of beer. Half up front, half when it was done. jk

    Your Altima’s should be on the passenger side and you can inspect it yourself for cracks and wear.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  243. If there are 2 state districts within one federal district then there are 2 electors up for grabs? Is that what you are suggesting?

    The crossover would be a mess. Plus, the Federal deal for State sovereignty, as it still somewhat exists, has nothing to do with the State districts.

    If I’ve botched your idea let me know. I don’t want to suggest you are saying something that you are not saying.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  244. My point was exactly the opposite: it was so obviously a sham even the MSM gave up on it. Walker provides no fuel for investigators. Trump not only provided the fuel, but adds gasoline to help it burn.

    Kishnevi (abbfd8) — 4/24/2018 @ 8:12 am

    He does have a few monk-like qualities.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  245. True. He’s a spoiled baby who wants his titty now!

    nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2018 @ 9:39 am

    Placebo: You rang?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  246. You’re saying there’s no overlap between the two categories? I’ll say this for him, he likes his t’s real rather than the dream lover kind.

    Skorcher (5b282a) — 4/24/2018 @ 9:57 am
    If you can’t be with the titty you love honey

    Suck the one you’re with, suck the one you’re with

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  247. …[Hillary] obviously was highly regarded by the people…

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 4/24/2018 @ 10:02 am

    With all due respect, Mr Dustin, I don’t think that’s clear at all.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  248. “If there are 2 state districts within one federal district then there are 2 electors up for grabs? Is that what you are suggesting?”

    – BuDuh

    Not exactly. New Mexico’s 3rd Congressional District, for instance, is overlaid by approximately 20 state legislative districts. What I am suggesting is an equivalent set-up whereby at least 3 electors were selected from each of those state legislative districts to elect the representative for the 3rd Congressional District.

    Does a desire to ensure the representation of the “political communities” of these state legislative districts mandate a mini-electoral college? If not, does it suggest that such a thing is even advisable?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  249. With all due respect, Mr Dustin, I don’t think that’s clear at all.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 4/24/2018 @ 2:03 pm

    WTF did I type that for?

    Sometimes when I write comments with my phone I can’t read when I’m typing and my errors are ridiculous.

    I think what I was trying to say was that Hillary got millions of votes more than Trump, even though she’s a terrible candidate and most Americans do not support her. I must have meant the literal opposite of what that sentence says. Trump lost to a loser is what I meant to say.

    Hillary was the weakest presidential candidate in my life, including Carter and Dukakis. She can barely talk or walk. I know there’s a contingent that thinks she’s highly qualified, but in all her jobs, Senator, Secretary of State, even First Lady, her record was poor or even worse than poor.

    My apologies. I do wish this site has an edit feature.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  250. 254… these phones are learning about the users – including psychological make-up – all the time. They learn to anticipate thinking, speech patterns and even what follow-up verbiage will be.

    Very spooky and enlightening at the same time.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  251. So, in this example, the representative would be selected by 60 electors and another representative, that has 1 county in his district is elected by 3 electors?

    I am confused. This can work if you increased the amount of Representatives to match a population at a county level. Maybe 25,000 people per rep? They would still have to be federal districts based on population not county lines.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  252. including psychological make-up

    I get the joke. :(

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  253. “Indeed, the aim of the so-called Resistance to Donald J. Trump is ending Trump’s presidency by any means necessary before the 2020 election. Or, barring that, it seeks to so delegitimize him that he becomes presidentially impotent. It has been only 16 months since Trump took office and, in the spirit of revolutionary fervor, almost everything has been tried to derail him. Now we are entering uncharted territory — at a time when otherwise the country is improving and the legal exposure of Trump’s opponents increases daily.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-resistance-democratic-party-revolutionary-times/

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  254. 257… no joke, Dustin. It’s real.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  255. “She can barely talk or walk.”

    But, man… can that girl drink!

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  256. 257… no joke, Dustin. It’s real.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26) — 4/24/2018 @ 3:02 pm

    I was just laughing at my own expense. Technology can be creepy these days, and social media is so entwined with government.

    Indeed, the aim of the so-called Resistance to Donald J. Trump is ending Trump’s presidency by any means necessary before the 2020 election

    That’s a very foolish goal (not that it isn’t the goal of some). Like it or not, Trump won, fair and square. Even with Watergate 2.0 leaks of info about Hillary, the rule of law is clear that Trump is president, and whether I like him or not, he represents tremendous frustration with the status quo. He needs to serve until an election says game over, or that frustration will only grow and manifest in less good ways than electing people I don’t like very much.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  257. Dustin, man, as long as you’re doing something you enjoy instead of politics, mad props to you for it. :)

    I just came back from two weekends in the desert, one camping in the wilderness, one partying with a bunch of friends I love. Politics is wierd.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  258. “So, in this example, the representative would be selected by 60 electors and another representative, that has 1 county in his district is elected by 3 electors?”

    – BuDuh

    Is there something wrong with that? The important thing is that the representative is elected by electors from “little societies,” not by the voters comprising those societies.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  259. > He needs to serve until an election says game over

    Or until there is something clear and incontrovertible that demonstrates that he might be removed. I mean, if it turned out that he’s actively in the pay of the Elbonian government, for example, he should get booted, even if it would piss off his base.

    The trouble is that parts of the resistence believe on faith that it’s clearly true and so don’t see the need for clear and incontrovertible evidence, parts of the party in Congress believe that we shouldn’t look for such evidence at all, and parts of Trump’s base thinks that even looking for the evidence is borderline treasonous.

    We’re in a pretty dangerous situation, here.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  260. 261… although I work in the tech sector of the corporation I work for, I am loathe to use a lot of these new technologies. Example: our oldest son bought us Alexa for Christmas… she remains in her box… no thanks..

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  261. Colonel Haiku, finally something you and I agree on!

    Alexa and her ilk disturb me because it creates a situation where in theory anyone at either the company that made it *or* at the local PD could listen to anything I say in my home. No thanks; even if you *say* you’ve taken precautions, why should I believe you?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  262. he should get booted, even if it would piss off his base

    i’d be more sad than angry I’d cry so hard I think I might never stop crying

    just thinking about it makes me get a little emotional

    he’s our President you know what I mean

    and I love this man so much

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  263. <

    Is there something wrong with that?

    Besides eliminating a representative government?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  264. Or until there is something clear and incontrovertible that demonstrates that he might be removed. I mean, if it turned out that he’s actively in the pay of the Elbonian government, for example, he should get booted, even if it would piss off his base.

    The trouble is that parts of the resistence believe on faith that it’s clearly true and so don’t see the need for clear and incontrovertible evidence, parts of the party in Congress believe that we shouldn’t look for such evidence at all, and parts of Trump’s base thinks that even looking for the evidence is borderline treasonous.

    We’re in a pretty dangerous situation, here.

    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 4/24/2018 @ 3:28 pm

    If he needs to be impeached, then he needs to be impeached, but the consequences of that action would be really severe. Like you say, some partisans on either side have already decided one way or the other. And the military remains far more respected than our elected leadership, our economy is probably a lot more fragile than we’re realizing, and Russia is actively destabilizing our democracy. Bad times!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  265. Aphrael… here’s another example. My wife is a big shopper… and she even likes to talk about it. So she’ll mention she want to go to so and so to check out such and such and – phone always on and nearby – within a few minutes, she’ll pick up her phone and start seeing ads about what she just talked about.

    And having written this, I’ve probably put a target on my back, the evils bastards.

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  266. “Besides eliminating a representative government?”

    – BuDuh

    It is still a representative government – just representative of the people in a different way, via the electors who stand in their place.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  267. Leviticus, do you believe the current Electoral College is a population weighted scheme?

    And I don’t mean “scheme” in a nefarious way.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  268. Leviticus,

    California, and some states allow non citizens to vote. How would this work in a winner takes all?

    EPWJ (ade23f)

  269. Dustin: for me, and I think from what you’re saying for you … if he has to be impeached, then it has to be done, but it’s a huge tragedy that should be an opportunity for deep mourning rather than gleeful cackling.

    I think it’s likely that he will need to be, based entirely on my impression of him as a shady con man with questionable financial ethics, but the smoking gun isn’t there, and without the smoking gun, *trying* it will destroy the country.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  270. > California, and some states allow non citizens to vote. How would this work in a winner takes all?

    What?

    At least under California law, non-citizens are not entitled to vote. There has been an attempt in some cities to allow non-citizen voting in local elections (like for school board), but even then it’s rare, and it’s certainly not a statewide thing.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  271. > Leviticus, do you believe the current Electoral College is a population weighted scheme?

    Speaking for myself, not Leviticus: I think it functions to give smaller populations more power than larger populations. But I don’t think that was the intent; the intent was to allow Maryland and Connecticut to have some power and not simply be overrun by NY and Virginia.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  272. “Leviticus, do you believe the current Electoral College is a population weighted scheme?”

    – BuDuh

    To the extent that the number of Electors designated to a particular state correlates to the number of Senators and representatives it sends to Congress, and to the extent that the number of representatives that a state sends to Congress is population weighted, then yes.

    But why should that make a difference, when the Electors simply transmit the will of the plurality of voters in their respective little societies?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  273. This is the part where we ask you for a link, EPWJ.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  274. To the extent that the number of Electors designated to a particular state correlates to the number of Senators and representatives it sends to Congress, and to the extent that the number of representatives that a state sends to Congress is population weighted, then yes.

    We agree.

    But why should that make a difference, when the Electors simply transmit the will of the plurality of voters in their respective little societies?

    Because the State is limited to a certain amount or representation, as you explained above, the State can’t suddenly have more representation at the Federal level.

    If you want plurality to prevail at one Federal level there is no balanced system that allows it to be disallowed at another Federal level.

    Voters, in a given State, are voting to use their maximum representative power in a Presidential election.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  275. •••amount of representation•••

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  276. “Voters, in a given State, are voting to use their maximum representative power in a Presidential election.”

    – BuDuh

    But they would not be voting to use their maximum representative power in a Congressional election simply because a body of electors had to actuate their will?

    I’m afraid I am not understanding your point, although I do appreciate your participation in this conversation.

    We’re only talking (at this point) about federal offices – federal congressional seats, and the federal executive seat – and the means by which electors intervene between who votes and who is elected. If the intervention of electors is good with respect to the federal executive seat, is it not good for the federal congressional seats as well?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  277. My point is that each State is given a value to represent itself every day that Congress is shaping the Federal Government. The electoral college reflects that value. It is a symbiotic relationship.

    If The Executive portion of the Federal Government has a completely different relationship with the State, than the Legislative portion, the system will fail as we know it.

    All States have a finite amount of power within the Union.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  278. Mr. Trump beat the booby-pig so now we have to change how America elects the president?

    That’s silly on the face of it.

    Mr. Trump is the ultimate outsider and his election demonstrates that this system’s surprisingly robust and hasn’t been captured.

    His triumph validates our electoral methods; it doesn’t indict them.

    America’s rejection of the dirty establishment trash of both parties this time around is thrilling and momentous, and it’s something to celebrate that’s for sure.

    And yes it’s worth exploring how this kind of stunning dark horse victory can be replicated in the federal congressional milieu as well.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  279. Wanting to change the EC isn’t a response to Trump; i’ve watched, and participated in, discussions about it since 2000, at least.

    It’s a response to the fact that people are now clustering into ideological communities in a way that results in the electoral college *in practice* massively favoring people of one ideological tribe over the other, and it’s a response to a general feeling of unease and unfairness in the people’s choice not winning because of an arcane bureaucratic procedure.

    there are legitimate arguments on both points, but let’s stop pretending it’s only, or even primarily, about Trump.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  280. In particular, the first state to adopt the national popular vote compact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact) did so in 2007.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  281. the electoral college *in practice* massively favoring people of one ideological tribe over the other

    food stamp won twice in a row, and he’s the most extremely far left fringe politician ever to ascend to the white house

    and this was not that long ago

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  282. > food stamp won twice in a row, and he’s the most extremely far left fringe politician ever to ascend to the white house

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Obama was not ‘far left’. That was the bizarre thing about 2008: a bunch of the far left thought he was, despite there being no evidence to support it. He never governed that way, and eventually the far left came to despise him — meanwhile the right thinks he’s far left.

    I continue to find the use of extreme, and unreasonable, hyperbole in political debate to be funnier than most comedy shows.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  283. cash for clunkers hello

    you get a subsidy welfare check for destroying a perfectly good car

    this is not mainstream thinking

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  284. Macron State Dinner Menu:

    First Course:

    Goat Cheese Gateau
    Tomato Jam
    Buttermilk Biscuit Crumbles
    Young Variegated Lettuces

    Main Course:

    Rack of Spring Lamb
    Burnt Cipollini Soubise (onion sauce)
    Carolina Gold Rice Jambalaya

    Dessert:

    Nectarine Tart
    Crème Fraîche Ice Cream

    Sacrebleu, Captain, sir! Big Mac’s are available at the McDonald’s down the Mall nestled inside the National Air & Space Museum.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  285. i woulda figured on more courses it seems like they’re dialing it back and keeping it real

    i love lots of courses but it can make for a long night i guess if you’re there with people you maybe don’t hang out with all the time like leggy meggy or other prostitutes like stormy daniels

    what do you even talk about with these people

    hey i got a pork loin on sale today so I’m a cut it up into three pieces

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  286. @289. what do you even talk about with these people

    Faux pas, Mr. Feet: Mon Dieu! No Napoleons for dessert!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  287. happyfeet — how is cash for clunkers, which was clearly a combined attempt to (a) reduce pollution from old cars, and (b) infuse the american auto industry with cash — particularly for point (b), how is this different from huge chunks of the new deal? i mean, hell, we *still* pay subsidies to farmers for not growing things.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  288. because it’s insane and loopy Mr. aphrael

    (but yes it’s analogous to paying farmers for not growing things)

    and point a is a fiction and a scam!

    the way you would reduce pollution from old cars is to target the older cars that were being driven the most

    but most old cars are kept about for short hauls or used by infrequent drivers (retired people for example tend to hold onto their cars to go to the local market and to church where they sing praise songs)

    it’s far better for the environment to keep those cars in business than it is to build a whole new car that’s going to be used in the same short haul infrequent way as the car it replaced

    you want the most heavily-driven cars to be the most efficient but guess what?

    those are the cars that people already had the greatest incentive to replace with newer more efficient vehicles

    the whole program was pure unreasoned harvardtrash lunacy

    and i abjure this

    but i maintain that it’s emblematic of the food stamp era

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  289. it may be an illusion and a scam, that’s kinda irrelevant to my point. my point is that it’s hardly more ‘far left’ than the new deal was.

    the ‘far left’ solution would have been to prohibit personal car ownership except in rural areas, and invest all of the money in mass transit, instead.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  290. it was a grotesque insinuation of government into the private sector

    and grotesque insinuation of government into the private sector is ALWAYS properly understood as being of “far left” in provenance (even if the particular slice of private sector in question is an abortion clinic)

    if it’s not then far left has no meaning anymore

    (and it was all to the detriment of the used car buyers who could least afford the artificially high prices they had to pay)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  291. Nobody was forced to sell his clunker, happyfeet. All Obama did was tap into Americans’ most prominent characteristics, materialism and consumerism, and that’s not very deep to tap. Not very deep at all.

    nk (dbc370)

  292. it was a grotesque insinuation of government into the private sector

    Sort of like driving up prices by slapping huge tariffs on steel?

    Dave (445e97)

  293. but the incentives were obscenely deranged and innocent people were harmed by these policy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  294. that’s just price discovery when you take out the bad actors what are dumping steel Mr. Dave

    the important thing is Mr. Trump’s got his eye on the ball and he’s looking out for the American worker

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  295. Does Obama even know how to drive? A car, I mean, not a golf ball.

    nk (dbc370)

  296. as long as he stays under 45 and doesn’t get on the freeway he does just fine

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  297. Leviticus

    California at different times through motor voter allowed non citizens to get drivers lic which at the time was the reason the gov of California was recalled. It has been done in Chicago, Philadelphia, New York Miami.

    EPWJ (f4224b)

  298. California at different times through motor voter allowed non citizens to get drivers lic which at the time was the reason the gov of California was recalled.

    The truth

    Dave (445e97)

  299. 287, it’s sort of like asking a liberal and a conservative circa 1984 what a yuppie was.

    urbanleftbehind (801828)

  300. it was a grotesque insinuation of government into the private sector.”

    Very much like a frequent commenter insinuating his browned proboscis deep into the stern port of the host.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  301. ALAN DERSHOWITZ: Maybe Mueller Should Be Investigated. “Mueller was an assistant U.S. attorney in Boston, the head of its criminal division, the head of the criminal division in Main Justice, and the director of the FBI during the most scandalous miscarriage of justice in the modern history of the FBI. Four innocent people were framed by the FBI to protect mass murdering gangsters who were working as FBI informers while they were killing innocent people. An FBI agent, who is now in prison, was tipping off Whitey Bulger as to who might testify against him so that these individuals could be killed. He also tipped off Bulger, allowing him to escape and remain on the lam for 16 years. What responsibility, if any, did Mueller, who was in key positions of authority and capable of preventing these horrible miscarriages, have in this sordid incident? A former member of the parole board — a liberal Democrat who also served as mayor of Springfield, Mass. — swears he saw a letter from Mueller urging the denial of release for at least one of these wrongfully convicted defendants. When he went back to retrieve the letter, it was not in the file.”

    EPWJ (f4224b)

  302. Isn’t Dershowitz the clown who wants to repeal the Second Amendment saying “it has no place in a modern society”? He also has a much closer connection to Jeffrey “Pedo Island” Epstein — much, much closer — than Mueller had to Whitey Bulger. He would be a buddy of Trump’s.

    nk (dbc370)

  303. Nk,

    Here’s Alan’s statement on the 2nd amendment

    ““Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it’s not an individual right or that it’s too much of a public safety hazard, don’t see the danger in the big picture. They’re courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don’t like.”

    EPWJ (f4224b)

  304. I saw that too, Eric. You left out the part where he wants it repealed. What you linked is why he prefers the repeal process instead of judicial action.

    nk (dbc370)

  305. dailycaller.com/2018/04/24/lawsuit-comey-obama-meetings/

    Oof

    EPWJ (f4224b)

  306. Nk,

    The idea that Alan want to use constitutional means to repeal the amendment is fine. In fact wonderful, I too want the 2nd repealed and replaced by an inalienable right to carry arms without permits

    EPWJ (f4224b)

  307. Yeah.

    nk (dbc370)

  308. Dershowitz said:

    We have tried an experiment for the last 250 years and it’s failed miserably and we have to start a new approach. The new approach has to be guns should not be available to people generally, except if they have a significant need.

    If I could write the Bill of Rights over again, I would skip amendment number two. We’re the only country in the world that puts in our Constitution the right to bear arms. It’s an absurd thing to be in our Constitution, but it’s in our Constitution. We have to live with it.

    That’s from the Breitbart I linked. You know, when the Cirque de Soleil next goes looking for contortionists, it should look no further than Trump’s fans.

    nk (dbc370)

  309. You have the right to shoot insulin in your wife, wink wink.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  310. @307. Maybe Dershowitz should be investigated.

    Just because…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  311. @307. Maybe Dershowitz should be investigated.

    Just because…

    Not just because. He graduated Yale Law School at the same time that the Boston Strangler began his string of rapes and murders. What responsibility, if any, did Dershowitz have in those sordid incidents?

    nk (dbc370)

  312. #NonBinary! Horse manure. In the really real world, in a swing state, voting for third party candidates was a vote for Hillary. So just come out and say it: you would have preferred Hillary over Trump. Own it. Everyone hear who kvetches about the troglodytes who let you down and made Trump the nominee, just say what you really mean. You hate a good portion of your fellow citizens, and because reality being what it is, you’d rather Hillary had won.

    Then please, go into some over the top Max Boot like screed: Trump will rip asunder the very fabric of the Republic. Because that’s helpful. Guess what, you hate Trump, vote Democrat in the mid-term. They have made it clear that impeachment is going to be a priority. But it won’t stop there, because Pence is to Democrats as Trump is to the #NonBinary set.

    Do what you feel your conscience demands, and then state that clearly, make a statement, tell the truth. Because most of what I read here (and of course AllahPundit at HotAir – Salon top 25!) is simply just a bitch session; it lacks substance, and because author and some commenters won’t actually take a defensible stand, it lacks intellectual honesty. Seriously, just come out and say what you mean instead of standing on the sidelines sniping at the guys who had the intestinal fortitude to, you know, take a stand.

    Because Hillary is one of the most sleazy and corrupt individuals to have been *this* close to ascending to the throne. Whatever flaws you might see in Trump, Hillary was far worse. And that was the choice that rational, thoughtful people had to measure and make a decision upon, as unpleasant as it was. So take your moral preening and unsullied virtue and stuff it. There is no virtue in having refused to take a decision. None. Better men and women carried the weight for you. And continue to do so. Welcome to the real world, children: reality can be cruel. But you have to man up and deal with it the best you can. Or not, as evidenced…oh, in some far off lands.

    Estarcatus (d19e9c)

  313. Arg, here, not hear – when will I ever learn to preview before hitting that button?

    Estarcatus (d19e9c)

  314. #306

    Yes and yes: this.

    Estarcatus (d19e9c)

  315. Seriously, just come out and say what you mean instead of standing on the sidelines sniping at the guys who had the intestinal fortitude to, you know, take a stand.

    Trump makes my skin crawl. And I only see him on TV and computer screens. I can’t understand how anybody can stand to be near him in person.

    nk (dbc370)

  316. #266

    Excellent point. It’s not only Alexa’s creepy laugh that people should find deeply disturbing. I have almost decided to buy the Gizmo simply to analyze the data being sent back to GoogleAmazon using Wireshark or some other packet analysis tool. Betcha the result of said analysis would be most curious indeed.

    Estarcatus (d19e9c)

  317. #322

    Good. Now, Hillary then. Because that’s the point. Let us dispense with the emotional outbursts and get to the heart of the matter in as rational a manner as possible. Trump makes your skin crawl. Fine. Now follow that to its logical conclusion: Hillary being the only real alternative, this is what you must have preferred in the general. Now, if Trump makes your skin crawl, why doesn’t the thought of Ms. Clinton occupying the Oval Office not make you want to steer your car into a bridge abutment?

    Estarcatus (d19e9c)

  318. “Trump makes my skin crawl”

    For a lawyer, that’s saying something.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  319. Hillary also makes my skin crawl. Although part of that is due to happyfeet talking about her diapers all the time.

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    nk (dbc370)

  320. #326

    But still, your preference was her, though you refuse to just come out and say it. And please don’t do binary, it’ll just bother me until I go look it up. But, at least on some level, perhaps a Freudian slip, you know #NonBinary is a cop out. Unless you’ve just told me to go f*ck myself. Which, I have to admit, is pretty clever.

    Estarcatus (d19e9c)

  321. nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2018 @ 10:07 pm

    This is nk!

    felipe (023cc9)

  322. Leviticus, also, while I voted ‘no’, the voters of my school district *did* approve a plan to allow non-citizens with children in schools in the district to vote in district elections.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  323. #326

    Nice. But of course it was. No third party candidate had a chance, so a vote for said candidate was a cop out unless you had the luxury of living in a deeply red or blue state. Some of us didn’t, so we had to man up. Good for you if you were not faced with the decision, up close and personal. But at least try to understand that those of us who had to do the dirty work may have done so because we felt that we faced an ethical and moral obligation to do what we thought was right. And that doing nothing (#NonBinary!) was the same as voting for Hillary, twice as odious, at least, as Mr. Trump.

    You may have preferred Hillary. That’s Ok. But say it, and then defend it.

    Estarcatus (d19e9c)

  324. #328

    Dude, Bender rules. Thanks for the laugh.

    Estarcatus (d19e9c)

  325. Not just because. He graduated Yale Law School at the same time that the Boston Strangler began his string of rapes and murders. What responsibility, if any, did Dershowitz have in those sordid incidents?

    We need Sean Hannity and Kim Dotcom on the case!

    Dave (445e97)

  326. Just wanted to point out here for those who desire to limit the influence of the great unwashed, that in spite of the fact that neither Colin Powell (who to my knowledge was no longer interested in being POTUS) nor Spotted Eagle received a single popular vote for POTUS in the state of Washington, the elitist electors chose to give them 3 and 1 electoral votes, respectively. Perhaps the lowly plebs, in aggregate, have more sense after all.

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  327. Yeah, that budget is balanced, Obamacare and rampant illegal immigration are things of the past, and we’re not repeating Madeline Albright’s strategy for North Korea. #winning Loser.
    Dustin (ba94b2) — 4/23/2018 @ 11:51 pm

    Alas dustin, someone needs to teach you the concept of witty repartee. Witty is an essential element.

    And you have no conception of the gales of laughter that greet every listing of the accomplishments Trump HASN’T done (yet). I mean Gandhi, did that guy ever win a marathon? Loser! Sure the Salk vaccine saves a lot of people, but last I checked, people were still dying! Loser!

    We all appreciate the fact that you think Trump has god-like powers and can make ALL your dreams come true, but come on down to earth. He probably won’t accomplish every single conservative goal, just more than any president since Reagan. I know that is a huge let down for you, but I suspect you’ll get over it.

    Meanwhile, the true cons in the house and senate, have been passing bill after bill balancing the budget, getting rid of Obamacare, and illegal immigration. Yep, the keepers of the flame have been working overtime. If only Trump would get off his ass and help.

    Cassandra (a815b9)

  328. 319. Estarcatus (d19e9c) — 4/24/2018 @ 9:22 pm

    In the really real world, in a swing state, voting for third party candidates was a vote for Hillary.

    No, it was a vote for whichever of the two leading candidate you liked least.

    Whether it was for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump depended on the voter.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  329. 313. EPWJ (f4224b) — 4/24/2018 @ 8:26 pm

    , I too want the 2nd repealed and replaced by an inalienable right to carry arms without permits

    Which arms? Chemical weapons? Nuclear bombs?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  330. “137.Trump is playing three-card monte but not with Cassandra or his other supporters. He plays an honest game with them. Because he loves them. And he is too honest to con them. And Cassandra is way too smart to be conned. No, no, no, the only people Trump is conning are the people who don’t like him and don’t trust him. nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2018 @ 3:41 am”

    Ah, nk, when you have to put words into someone else’s mouth to win an argument, perhaps it is best not to say anything at all. This is that awkward part of the conversation, where I realize I have explained something to you 5 times, and you still don’t get it. Do I go for #6? Of course, because I care. Hopefully you are not too smart to learn anything new.

    If I may just focus on one small, inconsequential issue. Opening ANWR. I seem to recall this being a priority for conservatives since…what, Clinton? So…20 years? We’ve had majorities in both houses, and a republican president. Did ANWR ever get open? Nope. Why? Reasons. Trump gets in office, six months later ANWR is open. How did it get open? He insisted it be inserted into the budget bill. That was it. That was all it took.

    I could go down the list of conservatives issues that conservatives never tire of bloviating about, but seemingly never have any intention of actually winning. In the poker game of congress the men with true principals always seem to fold first.

    I don’t want Trump – but the astonishing record of failure by conservatives over the last 20 years left me with little choice. You’d think a serving of humble pie would be in order, but no, instead you go on the attack…against Trump and anyone who supports him. Suddenly you are full of verve and vinegar. Full of finger wagging and snark. It makes one question, who are the real con men here, Trump, or you and your ilk?

    I think you want success. But you don’t want to do what needs to be done to get it, and resent anyone who does.

    Cassandra (a815b9)

  331. Trump on Drilling in ANWR:

    During a speech to the Congressional GOP retreat in White Sulphur Springs, WV, President Trump let the public in on the story of how Paul Ryan convinced him to sign a bill letting oil companies drill in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), “one of the great potential fields anywhere in the world.”

    The approval to drill in ANWR was included in the GOP tax reform plan passed in 2017.

    “I never appreciated ANWR so much,” Trump said. But “a friend of mine called, who is in that world and in that business, and asked: ‘Is it true you’re thinking about opening ANWR?’ [I told him] yeah, I think we’re going to get it. He said, ‘Are you kidding? That is the biggest thing, by itself.’ He said Ronald Reagan and every president since has wanted to get ANWR approved,'”

    “And after that I said, oh, make sure it’s in the bill,” Trump said. “Amazing how that had an impact.”

    “That had a very big impact on me, Paul,” the president said to Speaker Ryan. “I really didn’t care about it, but when I heard that everybody wanted for 40 years they’ve been trying to get it approved, I said make sure you don’t lose ANWR!”

    DRJ (15874d)

  332. This is the source of the anger and frustration between many Trump voters and yourself. Trump is a con man, but good news, he’s giving us his winnings. And he is sticking to the con-men on the left. Not how I would refer to win, but I’m sick of losing.

    Or do you have some super secret conservative plan for victory?

    Cassandra (c33ba9) — 4/23/2018 @ 11:24 pm

    Ok, then.

    nk (dbc370)

  333. Imagine that. All of these rock-ribbed fellows wanted ANWRS so bad, this guy doesn’t even know what it is and he’ll get it?!?!

    Very effective, I’d say…

    Colonel Haiku (43fb26)

  334. drilling in ANWR is good – so good – cause of there’s infrastructure you can piggyback off of but the North Slope is looking like it’s gonna be adding a ton of production too so we may end up with a canadian-style capacity issue who knows

    thank you President Trump these are good problems to have that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  335. (thank you President Trump)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  336. someone’s finally pointing out how corrupt Mitch and his sleazy pig wife are

    good for you Mr. Blankenship

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  337. Watching Comey explain to Coop why a leaker isn’t a leaker when he leaks is proof of government torture.

    And he won’t say the ‘pee’ word because he’s literally peevish. Sad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  338. Blankenship, who was released from prison less than a year ago,

    He should fit right in with the rest of Trump’s friends.

    nk (dbc370)

  339. And in-law.

    nk (dbc370)

  340. he served his time

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  341. Mr. Blankenship is a free thinker IS THAT NOT ALLOWED??

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  342. Raylan would have shot him.

    nk (dbc370)

  343. Raylan moved to California now he has zombie issues and he smokes a lot of weed

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  344. Yes, he freely thought he should pollute everybody’s drinking water and not tell them while he had his own filtration plant for his house. Anyway, he won’t win.

    nk (dbc370)

  345. it’s all about fighting the good fight and calling out sleazy Mitch and his pig wife is a beautiful thing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  346. The more Comey talks to people at this CNN forum, the less appealing he is. Regardless of how the decision was arrived at, it’s likely good in the long run this guy is out of government.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  347. Meanwhile, wrongfully accused and totally innocent Trump lickspittle victim of fascism, Michael Cohen, pleads the Fifth Amendment in the case of the completely legal hush money payment Trump knew nothing about that wasn’t made to the porn actress that Trump didn’t have an affair with and which certainly had nothing to with the election one week later.

    Dave (7f3b99)

  348. meanwhile Kanye

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  349. @355. Chocolate milker, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  350. that comment is racially tinged which is problematic Mr. DCSCA

    i will pray for your soul

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  351. this is what you get for nominating all these funkabilly weirdos from the military

    i don’t think Mr. Jackson (Admiral Jackson if you nasty) did anything wrong but he’s such a socially maladroit mil-douche all he can do is dig the hole deeper

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  352. @357. Taylor your tastes swiftly, Mr Feet: a ham on rye with Yoohoo.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  353. “she been eatin’ bread” is what the black ladies in atlanta say about fat girls

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  354. i love that about me that i know that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  355. Trump makes my skin crawl.

    But thank God he makes Melania walk– especially up the steps boarding AF1.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  356. How much bread do you think Trump eats?

    Davethulhu (7e7722)

  357. Republicans want Trump’s VA nominee to withdraw

    lol the pubbies have had it up to here with all these mil-douches

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  358. if Admiral Cheesedick turns out to be the one to cast a jaundiced light for all America on these wacky nominations from America’s fetid maladroit military swamp then he’s

    doing God’s work, that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  359. Once Jackson realizes that he has Trump to thank for ending his 20+ year military career in humiliation and disgrace, maybe he’ll leak the real results from that annual physical exam…

    Dave (7f3b99)

  360. because

    when the sun shines we shine together

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  361. 367… Keep dope alive, ConDave

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  362. 364.How much bread do you think Trump eats?

    Three buns in a Big Mac. Only two w/a Quarter Pounder w/cheese. Doctor’s orders.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  363. @366. He crashes cars; McCain crashes planes. It’s a Navy thing, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  364. the air force is even more crashier than the squiddy-poos

    at least so far this year

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  365. @372. Air sickness, Mr. Feet; they’ve been winging it a long time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  366. i’m a pray for them tonight

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  367. Once Jackson realizes that he has Trump to thank for ending his 20+ year military career in humiliation and disgrace, maybe he’ll leak the real results from that annual physical exam…

    Trump knifed Shulkin; Shulkin’s clique is knifing Trump’s boy. The accusations against Jackson are as Mickey Mouse as they can be, but sending a doctor, rear admiral or not, up against the VA bureaucracy and its patrons in the Senate was like sending Lassie up against a pack of rabid weasels.

    nk (dbc370)

  368. Kanye is risking being synonymous with Anton Cermak.

    urbanleftbehind (6ce600)

  369. HF,

    Seriously?

    Smearing a honorable long serving navy man?

    Why?

    Just why?

    None of these accusations are true, not even remotely?

    There is no way the military would not send on of their best to be the doctors president.

    Probably the most vetted person in America

    Why?

    EPWJ (524931)

  370. the nazi FBI supposedly looked hard at him and gave him a security clearance

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  371. Yeah, it’s all Mr. Smith Goes To Washington. And it’s payback for Shulkin. See, these same [gentlemen of dubious masculinity and unsanitary sexual habits] were the ones who had confirmed him. Twice. They don’t like Trump just up and firing him.

    nk (dbc370)

  372. See, these same [gentlemen of dubious masculinity and unsanitary sexual habits] were the ones who had confirmed him. Twice.

    Yes yes and we owe Senator Jon Tester a big thanks for exposing the sleazy Navy’s slipshod elevation of this drug-dealing drunkard to the rank of Admiral.

    Not a good look for the US Navy.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  373. Just cause Tester wet himself while wearing his little sailor suit when he was a little boy and his nanny spanked him on his bare bottom is no reason to take it out on Jackson. Anyway, Jackson told them to shove it. He’s withdrawn.

    nk (dbc370)

  374. Don’t nominate a white boy with a black man’s name.

    urbanleftbehind (6ce600)

  375. I think this was a boost for Trump with his base. Even I think this was The Swamp at full fetidness.

    malodorous, stinking, fetid, noisome, putrid, rank, fusty, musty mean bad-smelling.
    Fetid | Definition of Fetid by Merriam-Webster

    nk (dbc370)

  376. Ron Jackson is a black man’s name? What part of Africa is that from?

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  377. Now I get it. Jackson is a black name like Donezal is a black name or Elizabeth Warren is Sioux.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  378. on Jackson is a black man’s name? What part of Africa is that from?

    The Carolinas by way of Virginia

    nk (dbc370)

  379. Forgive us over-ethnicized and bo-hunk Chicagoans, old stock here is lace-curtain Irish and Germans.

    urbanleftbehind (6ce600)

  380. check out arizona

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  381. There is barely a person in this room who isn’t trying to suppress laughter right now or looking at each other wondering what the hell is going on. Gohmert & Steve King just busted out laughing as @DiamondandSilk starting promoting their social media page for folks to follow…

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  382. Hey happy, did either of them say the special word with the hard “r”?

    urbanleftbehind (6ce600)

  383. Just cause Tester wet himself while wearing his little sailor suit when he was a little boy and his nanny spanked him on his bare bottom

    I hope you were intentionally doing a happyfeet impression, because … LOL.

    Dave (445e97)

  384. didn’t see anything from that one yet Mr. urban

    been kinda following the Pruitt one

    He’s such a great guy, Scott Pruitt. He’s doing the good policies.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  385. While not exactly a member of The Great Unwashed, if I were I would be very upset that my vote could be nullified by the likes of this woman. Of course she’s a lawyer and she went to Brandeis and has a JD from Georgetown Law. The kids are Yale and MIT students. PhD even.

    I think the root of this problem is that for all their (presumed) brains, her parents didn’t know how to spell Karen.

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/04/the_top_20_moments_of_port_authority_commissioners.html

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  386. HF,

    WHERES your proof, Tester is already bragging that these were rumors he had heard, no one is on the record, no one officially complained

    EPWJ (524931)

  387. Hf.

    FBI background checks are rarely done by the fbi, the are sent to local state law enforcement agencies, other federal intelligence and oversight units, the fbi has a management role in high access background checks.

    So your statement that the fbi granted, the fbi files a report, the access is granted by other agencies

    EPWJ (524931)

  388. Security clearances are given out by a number of U.S. government agencies, including the departments of Defense, Energy, Homeland Security, Justice, State, and the CIA.

    Not the fbi HF

    Maybe google before smearing, really total ignorance of the process, makes you look worse than McCain or Hillary

    EPWJ (524931)

  389. worse than McCain or Hillary

    That’s just mean.

    Dave (445e97)

  390. Next you’ll be comparing him to Romney.

    Dave (445e97)

  391. Hf

    Again the fbi farms out background checks to local, county and state law enforcement, professional boards, other security agencies, the usually make calls to family members, business and professional colleagues, and conduct the primary interviews. But all these allegations are thoroughly checked by the leo in the states he has lived in all the way back to high school.

    It doesn’t justify your comments in the slightest.

    Also any medical doctor, having a substance abuse accident, is reviewed by the immediate medical board, there would be an obvious paper trail. Also, the military has a alcohol abuse protocol which also would have showed up in the paper trail

    So your statements of fact, are just wishes against a good man

    EPWJ (524931)

  392. he is no good he is drug dealer he is also a door-banger

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  393. knock knock

    who’s there

    it’s ronny i’m so wasted want some pills?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  394. And all these incidents were alleged to have happened in the Obama administration and the people whispering in testers ear were Obama White House employees

    But don’t let that stop your desperation on trying to rehabilitate what you shredded here today of your personal integrity.

    EPWJ (524931)

  395. Hf

    Knock knock

    Who’s there

    Deflect

    Deflect who

    Deflect that I Was called out. For being totally wrong

    EPWJ (524931)

  396. why hasn’t the military demoted him then?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  397. Locomotive Rank Emotive Breath

    In teh shuffling madness
    Of ConDave’s OCD
    Runs the all-time loser,
    Drops down to his knees
    He feels his nutsack scraping
    Him stop? He don’t know how

    Old Donald lives there rent-free
    His mouth it won’t stop going
    No way to slow down

    His thoughts a constant dripping
    Posts comments, one by one
    His mental health is slipping
    It’s got him on the run
    He’s crawling down teh avenue
    On his hands and knees

    Old Donald lives there rent-free
    His mouth it won’t stop going
    No way to slow down

    He hears teh voices howling
    All day and night they cal
    And the Donald J Trump
    Has got him by the balls
    He don’t know who to turn to
    No exits, don’t pass go

    Old Donald lives there rent-free
    His mouth it won’t stop going
    No way to slow down
    No way to slow down
    No way to slow down
    No way to slow down
    No way to slow down
    No way to slow down
    No way to slow down
    No way to slow down
    No way to slow down

    Sent from my iPhone

    Colonel Haiku (b32ce9)

  398. Divorce is hard, but it’s easier than cutting the brake lines on your wife’s car. It is long past time for an amicable divorce of the United States of America.

    oh my goodness

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  399. Hf,

    Didnt happen? Did you think of that?

    Naww you didnt think of that…

    EPWJ (290fcb)

  400. the important thing is that he’s unfit for duty anymore cause he’s no good Mr. EPWJ

    we can’t have navy admirals with this sort of cloud on top (black cloud)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  401. Hey Dave, is Trump lying about this being the lowest Black unemployment ever because: Slavery?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  402. Hf, due process is short no freaking way the na y would have let him, remember he had a large staff, including other military and civilian doctors, they absolutely would have reported him

    EPWJ (290fcb)

  403. I meant to say, due process is short in the military

    EPWJ (290fcb)

  404. Mr. Tester should show his evidence so we can know for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  405. I’d think that a winning talking point would be that under Democrats Black unemployment was practically nil.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  406. If Admiral Jackson wasn’t driving drunk he shall be driven to drink.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  407. Not just because. He graduated Yale Law School at the same time that the Boston Strangler began his string of rapes and murders. What responsibility, if any, did Dershowitz have in those sordid incidents?

    nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2018 @ 9:01 pm

    Alan Dershowitz and Ted Cruz

    East Coast West Coast

    Hide yo’ kids, hide yo’ wife

    They stranglin’ e’rbody up in he-yah

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  408. Trump makes my skin crawl. And I only see him on TV and computer screens. I can’t understand how anybody can stand to be near him in person.

    nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2018 @ 9:36 pm

    So does cocaine but some people love it and put it places that I won’t mention.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  409. Just cause Tester wet himself while wearing his little sailor suit when he was a little boy and his nanny spanked him on his bare bottom

    I hope you were intentionally doing a happyfeet impression, because … LOL.

    My other choice was

    Just cause Tester goes down to the docks to cruise young sailors when the Fleet comes in and they turn him down, sometimes violently,

    but I figured that’s true about everybody on that committee, Senators and staffers.

    nk (dbc370)

  410. So does cocaine but some people love it and put it places that I won’t mention.

    Like the office of Director of the National Economic Council, eh, PP.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  411. Trump on Drilling in ANWR etc. DRJ (15874d) — 4/25/2018 @ 4:19 pm

    Not to beat on a dead thread, but there is your disconnect between Never Trumpers and the rest of us. Never Trumpers look at that and say,”sheesh, Trump doesn’t even know what the hell ANWR is! What an idiot! No credit for him!”

    My answer is – does walmart care about why I want a new toaster oven? Do they care what I want to cook? How it works? All they know is one thing – I want it. It is a priority to me. They set themselves to delivering the goods. Is Walmart a bunch of idiots? About my desire for a toaster oven, probably. They just don’t care. All they know is I want it, and will give them some money for it.

    Trump believes that his job is to deliver the goods. Conservatives say they want ANWR? Okay, let’s get them ANWR. As long as we are clear about what we want, he’ll see to our needs. He has no ideology, he is not a conservative. But we elected him, so he’ll do what we want.

    In that context, Trump will plow forward, solve problems, score wins for our team. He is not a whip smart conservative thinker. He is a transactional president. And that is proving to be surprisingly effective.

    Cassandra (a815b9)

  412. he’s the freshmaker!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  413. He can be bought? Hopefully he stays bought.

    DRJ (15874d)

  414. — Mommy, can I have an ANWR?
    — What’s an ANWR, honey?
    — It’s something nice. All the cool kids have it and if I don’t have one, I’ll die. I’ll just die!
    — Ok, honey. I’ll get you an ANWR since it’s that important to you.

    nk (dbc370)

  415. ANWR’s basically a food desert

    there’s hardly no grocery stores so poor people there have to eat fast food all the time and they all have diabetes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  416. It is impossible to read “he can be bought” out of Cassandra’s 4:44.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  417. ANWR was part of the biggest federal government land grab since Manifest Destiny. Carter gave most of Alaska to the oil companies and threw ANWR to the conservationists as a sop. Now, Trump is giving ANWR to the oil companies, too. Meh! I favor domestic drilling, so I can’t say nuffin.

    nk (dbc370)

  418. there’s hardly no grocery stores so poor people there have to eat fast food

    I haven’t heard caribou (that’s reindeer to you) called fast food before, but I suppose it is literally true.

    nk (dbc370)

  419. the caribous like to huddle [PDF] by the pipelines cause it’s a wee bit warmer there and plus they make nifty windbreaks

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  420. Another judge decided to make up law and just overturned Arkansas’ voter ID law. Rules are for little people.

    Remember when we used to be a Cnstitutional Republic? Those were the days.

    NJRob (b00189)

  421. @427.I haven’t heard caribou (that’s reindeer to you) called fast food before, but I suppose it is literally true.

    It can gallop out of the stores, Mr. Feet: ‘the caribou can run at speeds of 37–50 mph.’ -wikipedia

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  422. we tried so hard to find a moose this one time in the iron range

    elusive creatures

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  423. more by the boundary waters really i guess

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  424. Cassandra says Trump is like Walmart. Why do you think Walmart delivers goods, BuDuh? Because Walmart wants to get paid. Similarly, Trump tries to please his base to get paid, only in votes/approval instead of money. I hope he sticks with his base even if the Dems take the House or Senate, don’t you?

    DRJ (15874d)

  425. So you meant it as a complement. Nice to have you back on team Trump, DRJ. Maybe you will gat that wall you paid Trump for.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  426. walmart has good products at a fair price DRJ

    and that helps the american family stretch that hard-earned dollar

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  427. Complement should be Compliment, Beldar.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  428. Gat should be get, as well.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  429. At least happy didn’t say the caribou like the pipeline because it’s a warm place to mate – guess the radio personality who said that one…

    urbanleftbehind (6ce600)

  430. i comment from a far-right severely conservative perspective Mr. urban

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  431. “I hope he sticks with his base even if the Dems take the House or Senate, don’t you?”

    I hope #NeverTrump can manage to check their egos at their front doors and come to the realization that there’s too much at stake to continue their temper tantrums beyond 18 months. It’s unseemly.

    Colonel Haiku (b32ce9)

  432. House Chaplain Who Prayed About GOP Tax Bill Fired By Paul Ryan

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics

    WASHINGTON ― House Chaplain Patrick Conroy was suddenly forced out of his job last week by Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), and while it’s not clear why, Democratic lawmakers and Hill sources say it was driven by Ryan’s distaste for one of Conroy’s prayers about the GOP’s tax bill.

    “Hello, Parson, welcome to Hell!” – Ben Rumson [Lee Marvin’ ‘Paint Your Wagon’ 1969

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  433. kimmie k this week

    what a revelation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  434. “The more Mueller searches for hypothetical lawbreaking, the more he ignores the actual lawbreakers.
    The country is about to witness an investigatory train wreck.

    In one direction, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation train is looking for any conceivable thing that President Donald Trump’s campaign team might have done wrong in 2016.

    The oncoming train is slower but also larger. It involves congressional investigations, Department of Justice referrals, and inspector general’s reports — mostly focused on improper or illegal FBI and DOJ behavior during the 2016 election.

    Why are the two now about to collide?

    By charging former national-security adviser Michael Flynn for lying to the FBI, Mueller emphasized that even the appearance of false testimony is felonious behavior.

    If that is so, then the DOJ will probably have to charge former deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe with perjury or related offenses. A report from the Office of the Inspector General indicates that McCabe lied at least four times to federal investigators.

    Former FBI director James Comey may also have lied to Congress when he testified that he had not written his report on the Hillary Clinton email scandal before interviewing Clinton. Former director of national intelligence James Clapper and former CIA director John Brennan lied under oath to Congress on matters related to surveillance.

    Clinton aides Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin probably lied when they told FBI investigators they had no idea that their then-boss, Hillary Clinton, was using an illegal private email server. Both had communicated with Clinton about it.

    Mueller is said to be investigating whether Trump obstructed justice by requesting that Comey go easy on Flynn.

    If so, then the DOJ will have to look at Comey himself and DOJ officials who obstructed a federal court. On at least four occasions, they were not honest about the deeply flawed Christopher Steele dossier being the source of information used in applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

    Comey also has said that he predicated the nature of the Clinton email investigation on his assumptions about her chances of winning the presidency — another investigatory abuse.

    The Mueller team is reportedly still looking into the possibility of election-cycle collusion with Russia by Trump officials.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/mueller-investigation-double-standard-ignores-actual-lawbreakers/amp/

    Colonel Haiku (b32ce9)

  435. 442.kimmie k this week what a revelation

    Our Captain went full Queeg this morning on the TeeVee, Mr. Feet; what a revelation.

    Bananas! No strawberries for you tonight, Captain, sir!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  436. ANWR was part of the biggest federal government land grab since Manifest Destiny. Carter gave most of Alaska to the oil companies and threw ANWR to the conservationists as a sop. Now, Trump is giving ANWR to the oil companies, too. Meh! I favor domestic drilling, so I can’t say nuffin. nk (dbc370) — 4/26/2018 @ 5:23 pm

    Seriously, you know substantially less about ANWR than Trump. This might be a good time to stop talking and start reading.

    Cassandra (a815b9)

  437. i didn’t see no tv today

    oh my goodness there’s no record that our favorite drunk-ass candyman admiral did bang bang on a door

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  438. but Jon Tester’s word is good enough for me

    if he says we had a situation where a sleazy drunk-ass navy admiral was doing knock knock on a door then we need to do a *thorough review* of these trashy admirals cause the character issues are obviously very pronounced (drunk slovenly admirals with door-knocking predilection)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  439. I’m on Team Texas but if Trump builds the Wall, he can join me.

    DRJ (15874d)

  440. Do you want Trump to adopt the liberal agenda, Haiku, if it is what he has to do to “win”? I hope not, but it sounds like that is what you think Trump’s binary choice is if the Democrats win the House/Senate.

    DRJ (15874d)

  441. Would you support Trump then? Or do you think he couldn’t possibly abandon his base by, for instance, signing a bill funding Planned Parenthood?

    DRJ (15874d)

  442. In 1980, Congress passed the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act. The bill was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on December, 2, 1980.

    Eight million acres (32,000 km2) of the refuge, the Mollie Beattie Wilderness, are designated as wilderness area.[8] The expansion of the refuge in 1980 designated 1.5 million acres (6,100 km2) of the coastal plain as the 1002 area and mandated studies of the natural resources of this area, especially petroleum. Congressional authorization is required before oil drilling may proceed in this area. The remaining 10.1 million acres (40,900 km2) of the refuge are designated as “minimal management,” a category intended to maintain existing natural conditions and resource values. These areas are suitable for wilderness designation, although there are presently no proposals to designate them as wilderness.

    nk (dbc370)

  443. I think the only areas in Alaska that can feasibly and economically be explored for oil and gas are the North Shore, ANWR, and Prudhoe Bay, but ANWR is the most desirable area because of its terrain (coastal plain) and temperature. That’s why it was put off limits by the environmentalists.

    Alaskan production has declined substantially with the advent of horizontal drilling in the Lower 48, because it is much more expensive to drill in Alaska and the oil reserves outside ANWR aren’t as impressive. Releasing ANWR is about saving the Alaska GOP.

    DRJ (15874d)

  444. if only pedophile Mitt Romney hadn’t flipped the Georgia seat to the abort-borts

    we might could have defunded Planned Parenthood

    even though the budget had Ted Cruz’s support (hurricane pork lover)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  445. oopers i meant alabama

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  446. DRJ,

    I think that now the export ban on crude oil,has been lifted, and Palins predatory state oil fees were made more reasonable, there maybe a small increase in Alaskan drilling, but the entire industry is seriously gun shy right now when oil went sub 50 for almost three years

    EPWJ (5022ab)

  447. Drudge is reporting a mass firing/purging of anti-Trump writers at Redstate. Anyone know if Pat is affected?

    Ed from SFV (4f3559)

  448. yes his twitter says he’s no longer a writer there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  449. #redstateredwedding

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  450. Trump flipped Alabama to the Dems by taking out Sessions its sitting Senator and then going through the charade of endorsing Republican replacements both of who were distasteful even to people who eat chitlins with Romney being only his (Trump’s) unwitting dupe in the three-dimensional chess he (Trump) has been playing under the orders of the DNC (Democratic National Committee) to flip the Congress and as many governorships as he can this November utterly gutting the GOP and making the Democrats the ruling party for next century in return for a lifetime supply of meatloaf and Diet Coke and the proof is already there under your nose with all the other seats that were flipped in special elections and all the Republicans in safe seats who will not stand for reelection putting the said safe seats up for grabs.

    nk (dbc370)

  451. there maybe a small increase in Alaskan drilling

    conoco has had magnificent success on the slope this year

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  452. it doesn’t do any good to blame President Trump Mr. nk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  453. 446. happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/27/2018 @ 9:23 am

    i didn’t see no tv today

    That was yesterday, and #444 was left yesterdaty, April 26. Now I heard Trump thought the interview went so well he now plans to call in once a month or so. Or maybe that was his plan anyway.

    oh my goodness there’s no record that our favorite drunk-ass candyman admiral did bang bang on a door

    I figured that out.

    Probably mpst of the charges are false, the ones that are true (say prescribing to himself) are maybe vaguely against rules but people would find them trivial and not worthy of serious consequences – therefore some lies (like crashing a car,while supposedly drunk too) were added and then he withdraws so fast they don’t get aired out and people think it is all true and nobdoy examines the serious false charges.

    It could also be someone was keeping a dossier (or maybe that’s the FBI dossier, since high level federal appointees all get an FBI investigation,so there’s going to be a dossier.) If so, maybe these allegations came up and were disregarded by Obama and company and normally would by the enate.

    It’s actually well known (and tolerated) that there are different prescribing standards in the military. Provigil and Ambien do get dosopensed more readily.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  454. That said, there’s a big problem with naming the doctor to head the VA.

    This was/is an extremely difficult task.

    The person in charge would be dealing with a bureaucracy that lied and manufacturd false reports.

    It happens also to mayor and governors.

    One thing: draconian punishment for lying or for not achieving (impossible) goals is not the way to
    go.

    You need a good auditor,and not just of money spent.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  455. then he withdraws so fast they don’t get aired out and people think it is all true and nobdoy examines the serious false charges

    yes i felt he behaved very cowardly and backed down when he should have stood up for himself and for the navy

    which makes me wonder what he was afraid of

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  456. Drudge is reporting a mass firing/purging of anti-Trump writers at Redstate. Anyone know if Pat is affected?

    Ed from SFV (4f3559) — 4/27/2018 @ 10:18 am

    Yeah, as happyfeet said, Patterico tweeted he was fired too. He’s a great writer and I don’t really know how these editorialist people are able to write this stuff for decades while keeping professional jobs, but they are so much more interesting than ‘journalist’ editorialists.

    The fact that they are clearly gutting one point of view is embarrassing, but that’s freedom.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  457. From theHill.com:

    Conservative outlet RedState fired most of its staff Friday while its owner, Salem Media, froze the site, citing an inability to “no longer support the entire roster of writers and editors.”

    “The site name will linger, but RedState is all but dead now. I have invited the fired writers here,” Erick Erickson, a RedState founder who left the site in 2015, wrote in a blog post.

    Fired staffers said the cuts focused on writers who have been critical of President Trump. RedState had often distinguished itself since 2016 as a home for Trump critics within the GOP.

    RedState staffers were reportedly locked out of their accounts on a temporary or permanent basis, depending on job status, while the firings were being carried out.

    Patrick Frey, a RedState blogger who goes by the name of “Patterico” online, wrote on Twitter that “those let go are all Trump critics” while “his supporters remain.”

    Erickson also echoed Patterico’s sentiment in his Friday blog post, stating the dividing line was drawn between supporters of the president while “those insufficiently loyal to the President were fired.”

    “My understanding from the writers is that there were two contracts, one more expensive than the other. Most of those on the expensive contracts were tossed, though some very good ones will stay,” wrote Erickson, himself a Trump critic.

    “Of those under the cheaper contracts, it seems the dividing line was loyalty to the President. In fact, among those under the expensive contracts, I’m aware of some writers having near equal traffic generation, and those insufficiently loyal to the President were fired,” he added.

    A memo to staff obtained by CNN by a general manager of Salem-owned Townhall.com confirmed the “tough changes” made at RedState.

    “We had to make some tough changes to RedState today,” wrote Townhall general manager Jonathan Garthwaite in an internal memo. “While these changes are painful, they were necessary once we reached the conclusion that we could no longer support the entire roster of writers and editors.”

    The Hill has reached out to Salem Media for comment.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  458. 456: Ed from SFV (4f3559) — 4/27/2018 @ 10:18 am

    Drudge is reporting a mass firing/purging of anti-Trump writers at Redstate. Anyone know if Pat is affected?

    Taht seems to be the case.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/385207-trump-critics-fired-at-conservative-site-redstate

    Conservative outlet RedState fired most of its staff Friday while its owner, Salem Media, froze the site, citing an inability to “no longer support the entire roster of writers and editors.”

    “The site name will linger, but RedState is all but dead now. I have invited the fired writers here,” Erick Erickson, a RedState founder who left the site in 2015, wrote in a blog post.

    Fired staffers said the cuts focused on writers who have been critical of President Trump

    RedState had often distinguished itself since 2016 as a home for Trump critics within the GOP.

    RedState staffers were reportedly locked out of their accounts on a temporary or permanent basis, depending on job status, while the firings were being carried out.

    Patrick Frey, a RedState blogger who goes by the name of “Patterico” online, wrote on Twitter that “those let go are all Trump critics” while “his supporters remain.”

    The next question is will the archives be purged?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  459. Here is the tweet, which is included in the article in The Hill:

    Patterico
    @Patterico

    The rumors are true. There has been a mass firing at RedState, and those let go (including me) are all Trump critics. His supporters remain.

    12:25 PM – Apr 27, 2018

    Is somebody offering a big advertising purchase, or a subsidy?

    All that might happen is that the site would die after a few weeks.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  460. In the meantime can someone figure out why http://www.jewishworldreview.com is being blocked by the Brooklyn Public Library? It’s some kiond of security block which can’t be overridden by a libriuana but they won’t tell the operator what’s wrong.

    He also says he used to run Google ads on his article/toon pages. Then one fine day — sarcasm intended –Google, which has a near monopoly on web ads — booted him. A Google employee told him that they considered JWR to be a “hate site”.

    And they refused to allow him to question or fight the charge.

    Even if there is some bathwater, the baby is being thrown out with it, and otehr babies are not being thrown out.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  461. Re: 468
    Well, that ain’t right. There goes the very last site that was critical of Trump. Where will we go now for our daily dose of Trump hate? Maybe RedState got tired of hearing the same democrat/leftist sh!t for a year and a half and decided to cutout the middle men for the left. Now we have to click over to the other 2976 sites who are anti Trump. So much effort.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  462. people are styling this as viewpoint discrimination, which it is of a sort

    but the irony is how nevertrump’s also very much in lockstep

    in tone and thought there’s not much difference one from another; they all blend together (like at lawyers guns & money)

    and what’s happened is the most obnoxious and snotty ones (bill kristol) have ended up defining the whole brand

    (exact same thing what’s happened to those nasty #metoo women)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  463. All that might happen is that the site would die after a few weeks.

    Such are the eddies and currents of the 24/7/365 media biz, Sammy…

    “… a volatile industry in which success and failure were determined week by week; Mr. Jensen does not like volatile industries and suggested with a certain sinister silkiness that volatility in business usually reflected bad management.” – Frank Hackett [Robert Duvall] ‘Network’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  464. I didn’t even know that Red State was part of a media conglomerate that also owns radio stations and newspapers. I thought it was just another conservative blog.

    Money
    It’s a hit
    Don’t give me that do-good
    Speak truth to power
    Bullsh!t

    nk (dbc370)

  465. I know there would be a lot more censorship if Hillary would have won. What we’re getting now is two centers of censorship.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  466. yes yes Mr. nk they have lots of properties and with Hot Air being nevertrump too maybe they were spreading the butter too thin on the toast to where it wasn’t as tasty and satisfying as they wanted

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  467. The bg featured article now on redState is Senator Kirsten Gillebrand’s bill to get the post office into banking. The author has trouble coming up with arguments against it. She seems to imply that postal workers would steal money because some postal workers retained mail.

    The best argument aagnst it would be tehre’d bne longer lines in post offices.

    It’s actually not a bad idea,if implemented properly.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  468. Many media conglomerates have publications with different points of view.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  469. @476. It’s fairly common in the world. Recall the Brits had a good system– the lines were split for the various services offered when you went to a Royal PO- -at least in London.

    From Wikipedia:

    United Kingdom

    The Post Office Ltd offers savings accounts based on its brand, and is operated by the Bank of Ireland, a commercial bank and Family Investments, a friendly society.

    The Post Office branded services are similar to some of NS&I’s services, and include instant savings, Individual Savings Accounts, seasonal savings and savings bonds. Post Office Ltd also provides a Post Office card account that accepts only direct deposits of certain state pension and welfare payments, permitting cash withdrawals over the counter. This last account is offered in partnership with the Department for Work and Pensions until 2010, through investment banking and asset management company JP Morgan. (This contract has recently been awarded to JP Morgan to run till 2015)

    United States

    In the United States, the United States Postal Savings System was established in 1911 under the Act of June 25, 1910 (36 Stat. 814). It was discontinued by the Act of March 28, 1966 (80 Stat. 92).

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  470. @473. Meh. Google Salem Media. It’s all about clicks and views and ad revenue; they’re just one of many with fingers in the internet pie.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  471. There goes the very last site that was critical of Trump.

    Yes, because it’s absolutely impossible to have a site that features both praise for Trump and criticism of Trump.

    All-or-nothing approaches to political analysis will lead to lousy political analysis.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  472. Bummer for Pattercio about Red State, but I am certain a writer of his exceptional quality will receive numerous offers to post elsewhere.

    Cassandra (a815b9)

  473. Yes, because it’s absolutely impossible to have a site that features both praise for Trump and criticism of Trump.

    i like it when people talk about the positive things about President Trump cause I love him

    when people say mean things about him I think oh my goodness they’re so misinformed about President Trump I can’t even!

    but you have to let them talk cause that’s the only way they’re ever gonna get it out of their system

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  474. Bubbles. Think about it.

    /s/ Pauline Kael

    nk (dbc370)


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