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3/27/2018

Second Amendment and Putin-Ordered Murders

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:00 am



I wanted to write about the John Paul Stevens op-ed recommending that we repeal the Second Amendment. For example, the way he butchers the facts:

But some other RedState writer got to that first. I’d save it for tonight, using her post as a springboard to do a think piece, but I’ll be watching Mahler’s 5th instead at Disney Hall.

So instead you get this post about a BuzzFeed article alleging that Putin had a Russia media czar murdered in D.C.

Enjoy.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

238 Responses to “Second Amendment and Putin-Ordered Murders”

  1. when it’s your time it’s your time

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. It may be a Seventh Circuit thing. (Stevens was on that before his appointment to SCOTUS.) A recent Second Amendment decision of theirs was also based on “alternative facts”.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. what do you mean what would we do, what did the last administration do, and who was the prosecutor who made the determination, who is the oligarch, this does resemble the hit on the soviet defector who prompted chambers to come in out of the cold,

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. speaking of kozinski, was it just a coincidence he was sacked:

    http://keepandbeararms.com/silveira/EnBancOrder.pdf

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. so why wasn’t this report circulated, as opposed to this other one,

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. how is it it was not in the intelligence estimate, the assassination of a defector blocks away from the white house,

    https://libertyunyielding.com/2018/03/27/american-escaped-al-qaeda-captivity-says-fbi-mueller-comey-betrayed/

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. Stevens has been a traitor for decades. We are not governed by philosopher kings no matter what law schools say.

    NJRob (02a8e8)

  8. no, sophists, recall he was regretful as a young naval cryptanalyst, that he helped track yamamoto,

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. It’s a revelation. The next time you hear liberals say, “We don’t want to take away your guns, no, no, perish the thought, we just want reasonable gun control”, you can tell them where to go reason.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. Stevens is a sh!t for brains dolt.

    mg (9e54f8)

  11. There’s some madness to his method.

    Primis: The Second Amendment had effectively been judicially repealed until the Heller decision in 2008. All of the gun rights, and they were just about the same we have now, were by legislative action. In Congress and in the states. Remember this, because
    Secundis: In order for an Amendment to be repealed you need two-thirds of Congress and two-thirds of the states. Well, you ain’t got them. There are maybe ten states that are not RKBA friendly.

    How do you say “pipe dream” in Latin? That’s what Stevens is indulging in. But the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. We need to fight constantly to keep gun grabbers out of government.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. David Hogg and John Paul Stevens–the alpha and the omega of deeply stupid gun grabbing rhetoric shielded by “how dare you attack them!” social pressure.

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  13. I really didn’t know about reiss till Steven Schwartz’s book

    http://spartacus-educational.com/Ignaz_Reiss.htm

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. 12. nk (dbc370) — 3/27/2018 @ 10:21 am

    Secundis: In order for an Amendment to be repealed you need two-thirds of Congress and two-thirds of the states.

    Not two-thirds but three-quarters of the states. 38 states out of 50, not 34. (When the result is a fraction, you go to the next higher number.

    On the other hand, states probably cannot retract their ratification, and the process can go on for over 200 years (case in point – teh 27th amendment) unless the amendment itself sets atime limit and in the early 20th century Congress sent amendments with a 7-year time limit written inside.

    For the Equal Rights amendment, they put it in the legislation, but later on, Congress extendxed the term, and it was held that if it not in the text of the amendment it doesn’t mean anything. Which probably theEqual Rights amenbdment is still out there needing only a feew more ratifications.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  15. As for the second amendment, the Supreme Court has spoken nonsense. The Heller decision I think talked about weapons in common use. This completely begs the question.

    What is that? And why should that limitation exist? And can it change?

    Clearly if it means anything at all, if the second amendment is meant to facilitate the possibility of rebellion in casxe of a coup, it must include the right to possess anti aircraft guns or all the weapons we did not give (in time) to the Syrian rebels. The Kurds had guns but would not have held out aaginst Saddam Hussein between 1991 and 2003 without U.S. air support.

    Not to mention gadget guns (outlawed since the 1930s – every gun looks like a gun and not like something in a James Bond movie) and even nuclear biological and chemical weapons.

    If nuclear biologoical and chenmical weapons can be excluded I see no principple by which AR-15s or any guns at all cannot be excluded.

    Then there is the definiton of militia, which is nto every male older than 18. That’s a lie told by the National Guard Association that they got Coongress to opass in 1903 (its Second Amendment propaganda was taken over by the National Rifle Association in the 1930s.)

    I think you can do a lot with the idea of insurance against crime and the necessity of a gun pwnewr having support of others, which is what would be needed in a militia.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  16. So after your pipe dream is over start overturning the RTKABA in state constitutions.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  17. Retired SCOTUS Justices still get up to hire up to two law clerks if they choose, to help them when they volunteer to sit “by designation” on circuit court appellate panels. This op ed was almost assuredly written by one of two Justice Stevens’ two current law clerks, either Donald L.R. Goodson (JD NYU 2013) or Sarah Hartman Sloan (JD Columbia 2016).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  18. So you’re saying retired SC justices are like substitute teachers, Mr Beldar?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  19. Sammy,

    molon labe.

    NJRob (722b92)

  20. I’m waiting for Kasparov to weigh in on the upcoming World Cup in Russian this summer.

    Teams from 64 nations compete in a competition on behalf of their country.

    It was announced today that six countries are joining Britain in boycotting the World Cup…..

    Oh, they are sending their teams, its just that government officials are going to have to be content with watching them on TV back at home. No luxury box accommodations courtesy of Mr. Putin will be accepted.

    Fortunately, the US Men’s National Team had the wisdom and foresight to lose to Trinidad and Tobago (a great brand of cigars) so as to save the Trump Administration from making a hard call in that regard.

    Seriously, if you could get a solid contingent of the West on board with actually boycotting the tournament, and not sending their teams, that would be about as big a geopolitical “punch in the gut” as the ejection of 100 Russian spies.

    The only problem with such a strategy is that the soccer fans in the boycotting countries would toss all the governments out of office in protest.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  21. Saturday, I went to counter-demonstrate at the San Diego “march for our lives” anti-gun demonstration.

    I talked to about 10 of those marchers. I wanted to get unfiltered information on what they really wanted and what they really thought. Almost needless to say, they lived down to my expectations.

    Those marchers are supremely ignorant about our gun-control laws. Yet they want stronger gun control laws nonetheless. If you ask them what the penalty should be (how many years in prison?) for violating that stronger law, they get very very squirrelly. They blanch when confronting the real world consequences of the policies they prefer.

    In essence, they have a Southpark “underpants gnome” philosophy about gun-control: Step 1, Pass Gun-Control Law! Step 2, ?? Step 3, Peace!

    The march was an Orwellian event of outer-party-member types mouthing party-line platitudes, absent of thought, no consideration of tradeoffs, no consideration of costs. And with an Orwellian style focus on demonizing an enemy, in this case the NRA. Among the many anti-NRA signs I saw non-hand-made signs printed with “NRA is a terrorist organization”.

    The protesters I personally encountered ran the gamut of reasonableness, from the overtly malicious, to the honest yet authoritarian, to the good intentioned but ignorant. The most entertaining was one of the latter, as he did a double-take when I informed him that use of marijuana prohibited him under Federal law from legal ownership of any firearm (and that California legalization of marijuana was irrelevant to the Federal gun crime).

    Brad (0b8f76)

  22. “……recall he was regretful as a young naval cryptanalyst, that he helped track yamamoto”

    Just finished re-reading Shattered Sword, the best book I’ve found on The Battle Of Midway. When Japanese survivors were plucked from the sea the Americans gave them food, water and blankets. The American survivors taken aboard by the Japanese were brutalized, interrogated and then thrown overboard weighted and bound. The officers who did that served under Yamamoto.

    harkin (1cc715)

  23. I think that the Democrats in the Senate should DEMAND a recorded vote on the 2nd Amendment. McConnell will be happy to oblige.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  24. It was announced today that six countries are joining Britain in boycotting the World Cup…..

    Oh, they are sending their teams, its just that government officials are going to have to be content with watching them on TV back at home. No luxury box accommodations courtesy of Mr. Putin will be accepted.
    shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 3/27/2018 @ 2:31 pm

    At least they allow Jews and women to play without headscarves.

    Do Trinidad and Tobago always go together like We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions and Heartbreaker/Living Loving Maid?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  25. I guess Kamala X’s strategy is to Make Illegals Great Americans

    Twitter

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  26. John McCain has a new book coming out. Never has the public clamored so much for a Ghost Writer.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  27. Trinidad & Tobago tried to play apart one time, but the players found they could not sleep alone in the hotel rooms without their partners.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  28. The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago is one country. Like the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

    nk (dbc370)

  29. Has any Democrat jumped in with Stevens? Don’t hold your breath. The Dems know that pushing to repeal the Second Amendment would be a disaster at the polls. Why should they be honest when they are getting a lot of mileage with their “Do Something” initiative.

    AZ Bob (e41a78)

  30. The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago is one country. Like the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

    nk (dbc370) — 3/27/2018 @ 5:00 pm

    Or the Kingdom of Hawaii so to speak.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  31. Do you have any insight as to why Trinidad got top billing? Better representation maybe.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  32. Reverence? Trinidad means Trinity.

    nk (dbc370)

  33. too weird they’re making a ROM movie

    as in Mr. ROM Spaceknight

    micronauts can’t be far behind

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. oh.

    apparently micronauts tag along

    On December 15, 2015, The Hollywood Reporter reported that Hasbro Studios and Paramount Pictures are creating a movie universe combining Rom with G.I. Joe, Micronauts, Visionaries: Knights of the Magical Light, and M.A.S.K.. Michael Chabon, Brian K. Vaughan, Nicole Perlman, Lindsey Beer, Cheo Coker, John Francis Daley, Jonathan Goldstein, Joe Robert Cole, Jeff Pinkner, Nicole Riegel, and Geneva Robertson have joined the writing team for the project. On March 26, 2018, Zak Penn has signed on to write the film’s script.

    this is way too high concept for me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. Yes that’s pretty obscure, but who would have thought they would have a hit with transformers.

    Anyways authoritarian regimes like Chile in the 70s, phillipines in the early 80s, often dispatched their political opponents overseas.

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. Reverting to Russia
    (Or should I say Russia is reverting)
    https://forward.com/fast-forward/397634/russian-deadly-mall-fire-sparks-blood-libels-against-the-jews/

    Kishnevi (1a00bd)

  37. 37
    If too many cooks can spoil the broth, how many writers do you need to spoil the script?

    Kishnevi (1a00bd)

  38. i don’t get it at all

    but the new pac rim opened at #1 didn’t it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. This could explain McCain:

    Being dumb has its benefits. Scottish soldiers who survived the second world war were less intelligent than men who gave their lives defeating the Third Reich, a new study of British government records concludes.

    The 491 Scots who died and had taken IQ tests at age 11 achieved an average IQ score of 100.8. Several thousand survivors who had taken the same test – which was administered to all Scottish children born in 1921 – averaged 97.4.

    New Scientist

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  40. Reverence? Trinidad means Trinity.

    nk (dbc370) — 3/27/2018 @ 6:03 pm

    True dat’ braddah.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  41. At this moment there are 448 comments at the Stormy Daniels thread and only 44 here about Stevens wanting to eliminate a Constitutional Right. I guess TDS beats the Constitution every time on every blog not just the leftists.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  42. Yeah, right, Hoagie. Like if you walked into a bar and saw Justice Stevens at one end and Stormy Daniels at the other, you’d go over to Justice Stevens and offer to buy him a drink.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. No, I would not. I also would pay no mind to Stormy. But what has that to do with all you TDS sufferers and the constant and open psychosis you display? Which is more important: your RTKABA or a porn whore who may have screwed Trump over a decade ago? Why do you care who Trump screwed when Stevens and the entire leftist commiecrat party wants to screw you?

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  44. Moderation? There is not an inappropriate word in the paragraph!

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  45. Mueller getting ahead of bad news coming in IG report?

    Yesterday Mueller’s team filed documents in relation to the upcoming sentencing of Alexander van der Zwann, an attorney who is also married to the daughter of a Russian oligarch. Van der Zwann pled guilty to lying to the FBI about the timing of his last contacts with Gates and Manafort.

    Van der Zwann told the Special Counsel that Manafort and Gates were aware that the officer manager of Manafort’s office in the Ukraine was connected to the GRU, which is Russian Military Intelligence. The Special Counsel states that Gates has know acknowledged that he and Manafort knew the guy was with GRU.

    So this will be producing breathless headlines about how Trump campaign officials had continuing contacts with known members of Russian intelligence — while they were engaged in business in Ukraine over an extended period of time prior to the 2016 election.

    Shocking.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  46. Moderation? There is not an inappropriate word in the paragraph!

    Don’t take it personally. The filter tends not to like words like “porn” or “whore.” I approved it.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  47. So this will be producing breathless headlines about how Trump campaign officials had continuing contacts with known members of Russian intelligence — while they were engaged in business in Ukraine over an extended period of time prior to the 2016 election.

    In some parallel universes, “Trump campaign officials had continuing contacts with known members of Russian intelligence” would sound bad.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  48. The one hired from Mccain s international republican institute.

    narciso (d1f714)

  49. Agreed Hoagie. Bread and circuses.

    NJRob (b00189)

  50. Ok, let’s talk about Trump and the Second Amendment.

    Stevens, or rather his law clerk as Beldar pointed out, is daydreaming. You won’t get 20% of the population to support repealing the Second Amendment. On the other hand, your love object attacked the NRA, the NRA’s supporters in Congress, and signed an Omnibus Bill with gun control but not national reciprocity in it.

    nk (dbc370)

  51. Yet Simpson just carried the water for spetnaz and fsb operatives, this what handing the entire Russian economy to party bureaucrats led to,

    narciso (03a093)

  52. John Cornyns Bill, what is it most Texans that turn bandicoot when they drink dc.

    I pointed out the prologue when shmersh was king and we didnt go to war with them

    narciso (03a093)

  53. Nk, I know all the stuff you said in #54. My point wasn’t how serious Stevens’ dumbassed statement was but rather how silly you guys are bantering about some adult actress (to avoid filter thank you very much, Patterico) when there are so many more important things going on to b!tch about. Like Al Sharpton’s brother being charged with murder right after the idiotic anti gun march. I mean murder or philandering? Isn’t murder a tad more compelling or must TDS win every time?

    BTW, actually if I walked into a bar and Stevens and Stormy were there I wouldn’t recognize either of the idiots.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  54. 51… definitely raises interesting questions…

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)


  55. BTW, actually if I walked into a bar and Stevens and Stormy were there I wouldn’t recognize either of the idiots.


    Except one would smell like an old man and the other would be drooling in his beer.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  56. At this moment there are 448 comments at the Stormy Daniels thread and only 44 here about Stevens wanting to eliminate a Constitutional Right. I guess TDS beats the Constitution every time on every blog not just the leftists.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/28/2018 @ 6:47 am

    Actually, in that thread, several of us were discussing the legal issues and standards that apply to payments made on behalf of candidates during elections. I felt I had something worthwhile to add on the topic of election issues, but no one here needs me to tell them why Justice Stevens is wrong about the Second Amendment.

    Now, why do you claim that everyone who disagrees with you is deranged?

    DRJ (15874d)

  57. Who would’ve ever thought that a long-in-the-tooth “adult film” skank and her douchebag lawyer would be thought credible? Would have no problems getting and maintaining full media attention for several news cycles?

    A little time for introspection may be needed by many.

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)

  58. I was reading Michael burleighs sacred causes, specially those early chapters on Weimar, and the crazy philosophies that were burgeoning in that era.

    narciso (03a093)

  59. 51 — when you’re a US political consulting firm doing business in Ukraine while a pro-Russian/pro-Putin gov’t is in office, your pretty much have to accept that Russian intelligence is going to find its way into your affairs. Not much you can do to keep them out, except simply pack up and leave. It goes with the territory.

    You want to know what businesses you should avoid in the US if you want to avoid being infiltrated by Chicom intelligence agents IN THE US????

    This is the world we live in. You can “wish” it different, but it won’t work.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  60. And the travismickasham in Orlando, the bravery of colonel beltraime, and progress on the census front.

    narciso (03a093)

  61. Except one would smell like an old man and the other would be drooling in his beer.

    Heh!

    nk (dbc370)

  62. Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/28/2018 @ 7:11 am

    When Stevens has personal launch authority for half the world’s nuclear weapons, I might worry about him as much as I do Trump.

    Except that Stevens, while a liberal, is not criminally insane, while Donald Trump clearly is.

    Dave (445e97)

  63. Also, for those who want to eliminate the right to keep and bear arms, repeal of the Second Amendment is the proper way to do it democratically, rather than attempting to have the courts or the legislature re-write or ignore the constitution themselves.

    Of course (fortunately) it’s also completely impossible.

    Dave (445e97)

  64. Only if you buy the press release hoagie, from Emmanuel shop, btw the Daley princelings seem neck deep in russia as well.

    narciso (03a093)

  65. “At this moment there are 448 comments at the Stormy Daniels thread and only 44 here about Stevens wanting to eliminate a Constitutional Right. I guess TDS beats the Constitution every time on every blog not just the leftists.”

    – Rev. Hoagie

    Like DRJ said, a lot of that thread was lawyers discussing/arguing about the ins and outs of criminal law/selective prosecution/etc. It had less to do with the particulars of the underlying fact pattern. I personally don’t care at all about the Stormy Daniels Affair, but I am interested in the underlying legal issues.

    The underlying legal issues here are pretty simple, and I try not to kvetch just for the sake of kvetching.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  66. But the joke would be on FL since CA could actually be spared 2 or so radicals, but that Boricua contingent could birth Luis G Part 2.

    urbanleftbehind (0fad9b)


  67. Now, why do you claim that everyone who disagrees with you is deranged?
    DRJ (15874d) — 3/28/2018 @ 8:18 am


    I didn’t say that everyone who disagrees with me is deranged. Are you referring to me? When did I say that? What the hell are you talking about?

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)


  68. When Stevens has personal launch authority for half the world’s nuclear weapons, I might worry about him as much as I do Trump.

    Except that Stevens, while a liberal, is not criminally insane, while Donald Trump clearly is.
    Dave (445e97) — 3/28/2018 @ 8:24 am


    How do you make the leap from banging Stormy a decade ago to nuclear weapons? How does your mind work? BTW, when did you get your psychiatric degree? Who else is criminally insane Doctor Dave?

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  69. But the joke would be on FL since CA could actually be spared 2 or so radicals, but that Boricua contingent not impinged by the citizenship question could birth Luis G Part 2.

    urbanleftbehind (0fad9b)

  70. Insanity is not a medical diagnosis. It is a legal finding.

    (720 ILCS 5/6-2) (from Ch. 38, par. 6-2)
    Sec. 6-2. Insanity.
    (a) A person is not criminally responsible for conduct if at the time of such conduct, as a result of mental disease or mental defect, he lacks substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of his conduct.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. The “D” in “TDS” stands for “derangement,” Hoagie, and you implied that the number of comments on the Stormy Daniels thread (where DRJ was an active participant) is primarily attributable to “TDS.”

    Leviticus (efada1)

  72. You also linked the Stormy Daniels thread to “all you TDS sufferers,” presumably referring to the active participants in that thread.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  73. Thank you for explaining TDS to Hoagie, Leviticus.

    DRJ (15874d)

  74. the number of comments on the Stormy Daniels thread (where DRJ was an active participant) is primarily attributable to “TDS”

    stormy daniels is a dirty blackmailing hooker with funguses and giant sex boobies that are past the sell-by date

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. 66. 72. I think Dave thinks trump is “criminally insane” for reasons other than Stormy. But that’s not true. Donald Trump actually has a lot of respect for nuclear weapons – his uncle was a professor at MIT and a nuclear physicist (who examined Nikola Tesla’s papers after his death and reported that there was nothing valuable there) who spoke to him a number of times about teh destructiveness of nuclear weapons starting circa 1970.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-09/uncle-john-taught-trump-about-fire-and-fury

    Which may be why he’s prepared to bomb North Korea if Kim Jong Un doesn’t abandon his nuclear weapons and ballistic missile program.

    At the meeting Trump will let Kim Jong Un give him reasons why he should not do that. Kim went to China to prepare for a meeting which he didn’t expect to happen (but Trump called his bluff.)

    What can be called the Begin plan for the control of nuclear weapons worked for Israel in 1981 and 2007, and didn’t start a war, and the United States also implemented this in 1991 in Iraq, and repeated bombing and the threat of boimbing kept Saddam from resuming his nuclear weapons program through 2003, and the possibility caused Quaddafi to disarmm in 2003 and Iran to temporarily halt its nuclear weapons program also.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  76. 19. Beldar (fa637a) — 3/27/2018 @ 12:47 pm

    . This op ed was almost assuredly written by one of two Justice Stevens’ two current law clerks, either Donald L.R. Goodson (JD NYU 2013) or Sarah Hartman Sloan (JD Columbia 2016).

    Well, it contains a ridicul;ous statement:

    Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option.

    Overthrowing the North Korean government would be a simple way to eliminate the threat from North Korea.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  77. Maybe it’s not ridiculous – it’s political:

    Gove the Democrat Party a cause it can never win.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  78. Also, for those who want to eliminate the right to keep and bear arms, repeal of the Second Amendment is the proper way to do it democratically, rather than attempting to have the courts or the legislature re-write or ignore the constitution themselves.

    Of course (fortunately) it’s also completely impossible.

    Dave (445e97) — 3/28/2018 @ 8:31 am

    Except Stevens is criminally insane. He authored the dissent in the 5-4 Heller decision. His factually deficient reasoning would’ve effectively nullified the 2nd Amendment.

    So don’t minimize his nonsense in your desire to attack the President and once again minimize what the left is trying to do.

    NJRob (b00189)

  79. You also linked the Stormy Daniels thread to “all you TDS sufferers,” presumably referring to the active participants in that thread.

    Leviticus (efada1) — 3/28/2018 @ 9:23 am

    And plenty on here, have gone after “all Trump supporters” with name calling and insults using the excuse that if you aren’t one of those people, it doesn’t apply to you and you shouldn’t be offended by it.

    So decide if TDS applies to you.

    NJRob (b00189)

  80. I don’t object to the use of the term, NJRob, or even the broad brush. I object to people playing dumb about it.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  81. i don’t like it when people say mean things about President Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  82. Stevens was a lawyer. Which is a stepping stone to being a superb used car salesmen.

    mg (9e54f8)

  83. Was the reasoned legal analysis, on the Stormy thread, after this comment?

    For me, it is What a weird attitude/relationship Trump has for his daughter Day.

    DRJ (15874d) — 3/26/2018 @ 9:11 am

    BuDuh (e023fa)

  84. Yeah. I’d say it started around #236.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  85. #236? I guess “a lot” of the thread wasn’t really dedicated to the legal aspects?

    Or, we can debate the meaning of “a lot.” :)

    BuDuh (e023fa)

  86. If you leave out the context

    Shttps://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/978846299901526016?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  87. Psychiatrists are not interested in becoming government informers, but the same thing does not go for dentists:

    http://www.pediatricdentistrytoday.org/2014/September/L/5/news/article/379/

    https://www.deltadentalnj.com/press/070404_ChildAbuse.html

    Press Releases

    RECOGNIZING SIGNS OF DENTAL NEGLECT – AN OFTEN OVERLOOKED FORM OF CHILD ABUSE

    April is National Child Abuse Awareness Month-

    (This is from last year)

    ——————————-

    According to Reason, and National Review (some) dentists are threatening to report arents who refuse to allow teeth cleaning.

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/03/27/dentist-threatens-to-report-parents-for

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/medical-providers-child-welfare-services-threaten-families/

    I consider teeth cleaning almost a scam. It is uncomprtable and probably makes teeth more vulnerable. For that matgter, brushing teeth is a scam.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)


  88. 75.The “D” in “TDS” stands for “derangement,” Hoagie, and you implied that the number of comments on the Stormy Daniels thread (where DRJ was an active participant) is primarily attributable to “TDS.”
    Leviticus (efada1) — 3/28/2018 @ 9:21 am

    76.You also linked the Stormy Daniels thread to “all you TDS sufferers,” presumably referring to the active participants in that thread.
    Leviticus (efada1) — 3/28/2018 @ 9:23 am

    77.Thank you for explaining TDS to Hoagie, Leviticus.
    DRJ (15874d) — 3/28/2018 @ 9:34 am


    Frequently when posting here I forget that a large part of the audience are lawyers who take apart every word and work it to death. That’s why the law in America today is a damn mess that no one, not even lawyers can understand or agree on. I was using the term “TDS” to identify the reason behind the constant barrage of anti Trump crap that permeates so many posts. I did not mean to infer everybody who disagrees with me is deranged. Is that clear enough for you legal types who miss the forest for the trees or do I need to recap also that I don’t believe everybody who disagrees with me has a “syndrome” also?

    I do want to thank you guys because being an illiterate, uncivilized and uncouth rube I often make these mistakes. Unfortunately I was unable to gain the level of expert education you guys have but in the future I will try to keep up. All I ask is your patience and understanding for this poor unfortunate ignoramus.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  89. 91. Sarah Bond is being completely ridiculous. This is not anew claim by Donald trump. Since the renaissance they do like to trace things back to Greece, because a lot of western literature goes back to that, although of course “birthplace” of “Western Civilization” can more properly be said to be Babylonia.* Even Abraham was originally from there. Of course there were things wrong wioth it, but not as wrong, or as bad, as Egypt.

    * although maybe now some people wouldn’t put it in “the west.”

    And Trump only said it wss the “birthplace” of democracy, which OK, is not correct too. Trump said “really, Western civilization”

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  90. You seem uncharacteristically grumpy today, Hoagie. I hope everything’s alright. Nobody here is looking down on you because of your education levels – you have made it clear that you are a successful man.

    The law is and has always been a damn mess, and that’s because it’s an interpretive exercise. The worst system except for all the others, as they say.

    Leviticus (6f05aa)

  91. 95… but what was your intent, Hoagie?

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)

  92. BuDuh,

    I’m posting this on two threads because I’m not sure which you are reading:

    It’s my impression that you haven’t liked my comments over the past weeks. If so, is it about Trump or something else? I’d like to discuss it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  93. I did not mean to infer everybody who disagrees with me is deranged.

    Thank you. I appreciate you saying this, but why do you blame TDS for disagreements when it could be mere differences of opinion?

    DRJ (15874d)

  94. If it made you upset for me to ask once about derangement, think how others (like me) feel when almost everything we say is attributed to TDS?

    DRJ (15874d)

  95. I think you are condescending towards others, DRJ, and you fake having control of the high ground when you resort to questions that suggest that who you are talking to is less neutral than you.

    I get the sense that you prefer to play the roll of an internet psychoanalyst to discredit people making arguments that you don’t want to argue on the merits.

    Classy insults are still insults. Suggesting that Hoagie needed help defining TDS is one such example.

    BuDuh (e023fa)

  96. there’s certainly no reason for anyone here to disparage President Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  97. My observation is that superficial manifestations of TDS come and go, sometimes over the course of days, other times over the course of constructing a paragraph. Some folks see Trump as so deeply repugnant, that it seems to have altered their internals permanently, sitting like shingles on their irritated nerves. Eventually there will be a breakout, but the duration is uncertain.

    Trump Aversion Syndrome is often misdiagnosed as TCS but it’ll take 6.7 more years to determine what’s what and who even still cares. Recommend treating TDS and TAS survivors to be with kindness because nothing anyone says or does can ever change a thing

    Steveg (bcb9f3)

  98. I can’t help it if you think I am condescending or insulting, but that isn’t my intent. I typically comment because I have a point I want to share. Also, I’m not sure why you think I am neutral because if I choose to discuss something, it’s usually because I have an opinion (although sometimes I come here just to talk to old friends, but that is rare these days).

    But I am intrigued by the statement that I “prefer to play the roll of an internet psychoanalyst to discredit people making arguments that [I] don’t want to argue on the merits.” I am not sure what you mean but it sounds like you think I play roles trying to fool people … perhaps like a devil’s advocate? Is that what you mean?

    DRJ (15874d)

  99. Trying to analyze?

    BuDuh (e023fa)

  100. In some parallel universes, “Trump campaign officials had continuing contacts with known members of Russian intelligence” would sound bad.

    In, say, a universe where “Russian businessman” and “members of Russian intelligence” were disjoint sets.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  101. Trying to analyze?

    BuDuh (e023fa) — 3/28/2018 @ 1:20 pm

    Are you saying that when I ask you questions so I can understand your point, that it is somehow wrong, condescending, or insulting?

    DRJ (15874d)

  102. Since this conversation won’t repair what I personally find annoying about your style, DRJ, I think a Q&A is pointless.

    I will try to ignore your comments again and not let what I consider to be cheap shots at long time contributors bother me.

    BuDuh (e023fa)

  103. criminally insane

    What does that even mean? He’s conspiring to be insane? His insanity was stolen from someone else?

    Because if you mean he’s nuts and is breaking laws right and left, not knowing right from wrong, you should maybe list a few. Preferably real ones like bank robbery or murder or even stealing purses, not pseudo-crimes like “his hotels accept payment for services.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  104. I am saying that you give the impression that you want to understand, but I have seen nothing that convinces me that this would be true.

    BuDuh (e023fa)

  105. (a) A person is not criminally responsible for conduct if at the time of such conduct, as a result of mental disease or mental defect, he lacks substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of his conduct.

    So, “criminally insane” is an oxymoron?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  106. I think asking questions and providing answers is an important and necessary part of having a good discussion. But if my style bothers you then I agree it’s not productive for us to talk.

    DRJ (15874d)

  107. I think asking questions and providing answers is an important and necessary part of having a good discussion

    Then you would have never said this:

    Now, why do you claim that everyone who disagrees with you is deranged?

    Did you expect a “good discussion” with such a skewed question?

    No need to answer. I thought you at least deserves an example of the “style” that I see in your posts. It is too Perry Mason for me.

    BuDuh (e023fa)

  108. I was trying to make a point but it wasn’t kind of me to do it that way, so I agree with you if you think I was unkind to Hoagie.

    I’m sorry, Hoagie.

    DRJ (15874d)

  109. “I will try to ignore your comments again and not let what I consider to be cheap shots at long time contributors bother me.”

    – BuDuh

    Personally, I consider *that* a cheap shot at a longtime contributor.

    Since you want to argue the merits, though, do you think it was fair of Hoagie to imply that the length of the Stormy Daniels thread was attributable to “TDS”?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  110. Let me add ITS… Irritable Trump Syndrome…

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1)

  111. the length of the Stormy Daniels thread was attributable to “TDS”

    this is also a lot cause of how stormy has huge smelly sex boobs

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  112. Why, just by way of example, didn’t Hoagie attribute the length of the Stormy Daniels thread to meaningless and gratuitous boob remarks? What’s the opposite of “TDS”?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  113. (I know you can’t speak definitively for Hoagie, of course)

    Leviticus (efada1)

  114. that’s a thought puzzle

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  115. VA Sec., Shulkin canned; Trump to nominate WH doctor Ronny Jackson to replace him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. VA Sec., Shulkin canned; Trump to nominate WH doctor Ronny Jackson to replace him.

    I was wondering what faking a cognitive assessment test was worth. Or do you think also under-reporting his weight might have helped … tip the balance?

    nk (dbc370)

  117. Are we playing “what would Freud say”? Or what would Jesus do?
    I got here late

    Steveg (bcb9f3)

  118. There’s a difference between civilization and Western Civilization. The birthplace of civilization is the Fertile Crescent, from the Nile to the Tigris and Euphrates, where agriculture and the domestication of animals supplanted hunting and gathering. The birthplace of Western Civilization, including democracy, is Athens, and its fathers were Solon and Socrates.

    nk (dbc370)

  119. He got shulkin from the barrel, whereas Jackson is from the tree,

    Klimnik Milan akhmetsin all had military records and preexisting contacts
    With us govt

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. Dear Abby:
    I go to this blog where all the people there insist on commenting on thing they want to comment about and not about things I want them to comment about. What should I do? — Pissed off on the internet

    Dear Pissed:
    Accuse of Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS). That will get their attention. — A.

    nk (dbc370)

  121. PS. Sorry, Pissed. That should have been, accuse *them* of Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS). Pesky internet! I now feel your pain too. — A.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. nk, please let me know when you are finished ridiculing and belittling me for using TDS as a catch all for going off topic by talking about Trump. In the future I will try and use words, phrases and short curs approved by you. I beg forgiveness for insulting my betters and in the future will try and learn my place. Please let Dear Abby know.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  123. One must assume the most negative impression at all times, hoagie,,even when they demand we look at the buxom squirrel, otherwise crime think

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. @123. Call and response— all that jazz.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  125. So it turns, the requisite unit, rou had not been tasked to crack the San Bernardino shooters encryption at the time.

    narciso (d1f714)

  126. How about I decline to turn bantering about an orange-skinned baboon who can’t keep it in his pants and his punchboard who if she had as many on the outside as she’s had on the inside would look like a porcupine (thanks, Pinandpuller) into a serious discussion about commenting etiquette?

    nk (dbc370)

  127. Molotov monthly, although frankly the journal is catching up:
    http://.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/03/correction-of-the-month.php

    narciso (d1f714)

  128. #NeverTrump: “Uuugghhhhh…”
    Bystander: “what’s teh matter?”
    #NeverTrump: “ITS… Irritable Trump Syndrome… is there a restroom?”
    Bystander: “a men’s room?”

    #NeverTrump: “men’s room… lady’s room, it doesn’t matter”

    10 minutes later…

    #NeverTrump: “I feel 30 pounds lighter… thank you for being so understanding… not everyone is so open minded… that’s why the biggest challenge for ITS sufferers is educating the public…”

    Sent from my iPhone

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  129. And man, do they have a lot to unload… they’s all full of it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  130. Teh mincing pantywaists…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. Don’t harass me, Haiku. It’s bad enough Trump is President, today I found out that Captain Marvel is now a woman.

    nk (dbc370)

  132. Lol

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  133. And brie Larsson, to boot that seems rather silly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  134. Personally, I consider *that* a cheap shot at a longtime contributor.

    You’re taking it worse than DRJ. She understood what I was saying as indicated by her gracious apology to Hoagie.

    BuDuh (17e530)

  135. The light beyond the cave wall burns:

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/lost-in-face/

    The difference is between accepting Clifford’s press release who?e Hogg (set what I did there, and actually try to find the truth.

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. punchboard who if she had as many on the outside as she’s had on the inside would look like a porcupine (thanks, Pinandpuller) into a serious discussion about commenting etiquette?

    nk (dbc370) — 3/28/2018 @ 5:05 pm

    Punchboard heh. We need to update all of those Rod Stewart stomach pumping urban legends.

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  137. Who would’ve ever thought that a long-in-the-tooth “adult film” skank and her douchebag lawyer would be thought credible? Would have no problems getting and maintaining full media attention for several news cycles?

    A little time for introspection may be needed by many.

    Colonel Haiku (ed0bb1) — 3/28/2018 @ 8:19 am

    Anderson Cooper is starting to look like the logical replacement for Jerry Springer, h/t Sean Hannity.

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  138. A person is not criminally responsible for conduct if at the time of such conduct, as a result of mental disease or mental defect, he lacks substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of his conduct.

    nk (dbc370) — 3/28/2018 @ 9:17 am

    It always seemed like The Joker wanted society at large to appreciate the criminality of his conduct.

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  139. Punchboard

    Believe it or not, I first saw that term used in that sense in a movie review maybe forty or fifty years ago. It was a movie about a promiscuous girl in a small town who finds a steady boyfriend to the resentment of all her other lovers with tragic consequences.

    nk (dbc370)

  140. stormy daniels is a dirty blackmailing hooker with funguses and giant sex boobies that are past the sell-by date

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/28/2018 @ 9:36 am

    Mr Majestyk couldn’t find any illegals willing to…bring them to market.

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  141. The Joker would not be be considered legally insane in Illinois. Sociopathy is explicitly excepted in the law. I think we have fewer than 400 people who have been found not guilty by reason of insanity in the state’s mental institutions right now. We have a lot who have been found guilty but mentally ill in the prisons.

    nk (dbc370)

  142. Punchboard

    Believe it or not, I first saw that term used in that sense in a movie review maybe forty or fifty years ago. It was a movie about a promiscuous girl in a small town who finds a steady boyfriend to the resentment of all her other lovers with tragic consequences.

    nk (dbc370) — 3/28/2018 @ 6:43 pm

    Reminiscent of The Industrial Revolution.

    My dad worked at this metal fab shop. They had an industrial press that would punch a hole in sheet metal. There was a hand trigger as well as a foot pedal that would activate the punch. He said when people would tour the shop he would act like he was reaching for handle, step on the pedal and act surprised.

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  143. Well he seems to be too methodical to be insane.

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. … and in the legal precedent laid down by the Steven”s opinion…

    Said by absolutely nobody ever in the history of jurisprudence.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  145. Kelo. That Kelo. Stevens wrote the majority opinion in Kelo v. City of New London. He started out as a conservative statist and evolved to a liberal statist but remained a statist.

    nk (dbc370)

  146. The dissenting opinion presented by Speilberg, Cronyn, and Tandy.

    Video.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  147. Meanwhile:

    Stephen Miller
    @redsteeze
    Amazing how every single narrative media pushed about Pulse shooting to downplay Islamic terror is falling apart during prosecution but right Youtube & Facebook are the problems.

    harkin (8256c3)

  148. No wonder Stevens is askeered of armed citizens.

    Optimistic for a 90 year old – still worrying that he might recieve justice for his misdeeds.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  149. Frequently when posting here I forget that a large part of the audience are lawyers who take apart every word and work it to death. That’s why the law in America today is a damn mess that no one, not even lawyers can understand or agree on. I was using the term “TDS” to identify the reason behind the constant barrage of anti Trump crap that permeates so many posts. I did not mean to infer everybody who disagrees with me is deranged. Is that clear enough for you legal types who miss the forest for the trees or do I need to recap also that I don’t believe everybody who disagrees with me has a “syndrome” also?

    I do want to thank you guys because being an illiterate, uncivilized and uncouth rube I often make these mistakes. Unfortunately I was unable to gain the level of expert education you guys have but in the future I will try to keep up. All I ask is your patience and understanding for this poor unfortunate ignoramus.

    I have been directly accused of “TDS” many times, and I find it irritating to be told I am “deranged” which is what that term means. There is a time and place for using that term, but too often it is used to describe any criticism of Trump. Don’t be surprised if people push back if you use it that way.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  150. Nobody here I know thinks they’re better than you, Hoagie. But accusing people of TDS is similar, as you’re saying they’re deranged and you’re not. Maybe save that for the very rare cases of true derangement rather than a catch-all for any criticism you don’t like.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  151. I think of it akin to being called a Raiders fan.

    Fan being a hyphen of fanatic.

    a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.

    TDS is a non-denominational label. You could just as easily apply it in reverse to describe wee zany Trump fans.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  152. The dissenting opinion presented by Speilberg, Cronyn, and Tandy.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 3/28/2018 @ 7:32 pm

    I thought you were going to say it doesn’t matter if you like your doctor because you won’t get sick, you won’t get old and you won’t ever die.

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  153. TDS is a non-denominational label. You could just as easily apply it in reverse to describe wee zany Trump fans.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 3/28/2018 @ 8:30 pm

    Sounds like Global Warming.

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  154. Jennifer Lawrence…from The Beaver to The Sparrow in six years.

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  155. Did you know that sea level is different on the Pacific than it is on the Atlantic side of the Panama canal. The Pacific is 8 inches deeper (or higher – sea level is such a given that the concept defies terminology).

    The Atlantic is the wading pool of oceans I suppose.

    Anyhow because I wanted to delve further I tuned into the Netflix documentary, Panama Canal: Prized Possession.

    No help on the sea level quesiton there, but amazingly I discovered the history of the canal started the day Jimmy Carter eeked out a victory over Gerald Ford in the 1976 presidential election.

    Of course, this is wrong. I lived through all of the events presented in the Netflix doc, and stuff happened regarding the canal before the Carter Presidency. In fact most of the important things happened before the Carter Presidency.

    So why is Netflix presenting Jimmy Carter as the end all and be all, and worse, the hero of the Panama? Righter of cosmic wrongs? Defender of all goodly principles and the like?

    Don’t know if it answers all questions but today notorious henchwoman of the Obama admin, Susan Rice, was appointed a member on the Netflix board of directors.

    “We are delighted to welcome Ambassador Rice to the Netflix board,” Netflix co-founder and CEO Reed Hastings said in a statement. “For decades, she has tackled difficult, complex global issues with intelligence, integrity and insight and we look forward to benefiting from her experience and wisdom.”

    Explains the half dozen FDR and JFK hagographies, and their fetish for Kings, Queens, Emperors, and Dictators mini series.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  156. Exactly tiger, initially the French tried the canal route, but their concern collapsed bring about the rise of the anarchists, then the Americans particular Thomas Cromwell engineered a coup to split off Panama from colombia.

    narciso (d1f714)

  157. Don’t let the door…

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/292541/

    narciso (d1f714)

  158. Explains the half dozen FDR and JFK hagographies, and their fetish for Kings, Queens, Emperors, and Dictators mini series.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 3/28/2018 @ 10:00 pm

    Mass murderer Nikolas Cruz is getting stacks of fan mail and love letters sent to the Broward County jail, along with hundreds of dollars in contributions to his commissary account.

    Teenage girls, women and even older men are writing to the Parkland school shooter and sending photographs – some suggestive – tucked inside cute greeting cards and attached to notebook paper with offers of friendship and encouragement. Groupies also are joining Facebook communities to talk about how to help the killer.

    The South Florida Sun Sentinel obtained copies of some of the letters showing that Cruz, who had few friends in the outside world, is now being showered with attention.

    MSN

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  159. When you think of that comeback two years too late:

    Jeb Bush apparently continues to harbor some ill will towards President Donald Trump for the 2016 election. And on Tuesday, he got personal.

    According to the Yale Daily News, Bush — during a forum at the Connecticut-based Ivy League school — took a rather pointed shot at Trump.

    The former Florida governor said mockingly that he now returns home every day to his kids — children “who actually love me.”

    Bush, according to the Yale Daily News account of the event, refused to even discuss the campaign — the wound still clearly fresh.

    “I’m not going to talk about the 2016 election. I’m still in therapy,” Bush joked.

    Mediaite

    Pinandpuller (3368cb)

  160. TDS. TDS. TDS.

    Y’all keep bringing that up. Now, is that a measure of his detractors…. or Trump himself? Just checkin.

    noel (b4d580)

  161. His father gave us Clinton; his brother gave us Obama; he couldn’t even wait four or eight years to give us Trump. And he did, just as much Hillary, derailing the primary before it had even started, by sucking up the lion’s share of the money and support from the GOP establishment.

    nk (dbc370)

  162. As I say, I take the long view, the Medici and stay puft were the fans of the top men, like the latest teletubbie. For reasons passing understanding, but being a director of Lehman and Barclays doesnt
    ensure solid judgement

    narciso (d1f714)

  163. 174, that dude bats way higher in the lineup than his fundamentals merit…by the way Happy Opening Day!

    urbanleftbehind (0fad9b)

  164. … but the police and military now use a form of sawed-off shotgun to open doors.

    The 1939 SCOTUS just isn’t with the times.

    Neo (d1c681)

  165. So this term, TDS…It’s been used for quite some time now. A couple years, I believe. Given that this concern is just being raised starting in this thread, do I have it correct that the ‘D’ recently changed to mean ‘Derangement’? What did the ‘D’ stand for before this?

    Skorcher (5b282a)

  166. You can have a sawed-off shotgun if your local laws allow it and it’s registered with the ATF and the $200.00 tax paid. You could in 1939 and at any other time since, as well. If you can live with one without a buttstock, the tax is $5.00.

    nk (dbc370)

  167. It’s always been “Derangement”, Skorcher. TDS is a ripoff of BDS — Bush Derangement Syndrome.

    nk (dbc370)

  168. Just like w got a little help from certain friends in the gulf, and job palled around with some folks you might not invite to dinner, in miami

    narciso (d1f714)

  169. “I have been directly accused of “TDS” many times, and I find it irritating to be told I am “deranged” which is what that term means. There is a time and place for using that term, but too often it is used to describe any criticism of Trump. Don’t be surprised if people push back if you use it that way.”

    ‘Deranged’ is a dumb term anyway, most of the people writing their reflexively anti-Trump drivel know perfectly well that they’re massively overreacting to something that they would never have under other presidents.

    The term you want is ‘mendacious emoting syndrome’, when you pontificate endlessly over ongoing internecine intelligence gang wars and well-established legal kabuki theater while ignoring or downplaying massive fundamental threats to basic liberties and the Historical American Nation by Actual Fire-Breathing Communists and fresh-off-the-boat scabs from countries that make Russia look like America.

    The difference between David Hogg and ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ is a difference of degree, not kind.

    Dysphoria Sam (a3c41a)

  170. You’re not getting any argument from me, Dysphoria Sam. I just use TDS because it’s easy but mendacious emoting syndrome is fine too. And it is just a matter of degree between the two.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  171. The Left is using David Hogg and his entire “i’m a child victim, feel my pain you can’t criticize me/I will denounce and ruin the livelihood and life of anyone who disagrees with me” schiff to bully Americans. I hope these corporations that allow themselves to be extorted need to be sent a message loud and clear.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  172. @191. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    ‘…a message loud and clear:’

    “There’s a rule of thumb in politics. If you’re at a point where you’re complaining about the other guy being mean and unfair and uncivil, that’s probably a sign that you’re losing.” – Laura Ingraham

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  173. It goes well beyond that, ASPCA. I think you are smart enough to understand that.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  174. But I could be wrong.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  175. No, he’s long since removed all doubt, coronello.

    narciso (d7b944)

  176. Where do you put people who criticize Trump on your “mendacious emoting syndrome” scale, Sam? Or are they on the scale?

    DRJ (15874d)

  177. Depends on the degree and the character of the criticism,

    narciso (d1f714)

  178. Ok, what is your scale? What makes criticism deranged or mendacious?

    DRJ (15874d)

  179. So pretending that Mcdonnell is doing everything in his power to frustrate any advance in policy, that Richard burr is worse than useless in the grishenko inquiry, that schumer is wagging the dog here for inatance

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. Is 199 answering my question?

    DRJ (15874d)

  181. DRJ

    Endless criticism of anyone gets tedious. I don’t think you, the host are mendacious and am upset at that kind of insult being tossed around.

    There are a few never trumpers frequenting here who are intellectually dishonest, tedious aholes, but they are that way on nearly every political topic and engaging with them is always a disappointment.

    Speaking of disappointments, the bitterness between otherwise good people over this is a big one.
    I know that I have a past history here of losing my mind and being an ass so I live in a glass house but I still want to see us banter and joust respectfully

    Steveg (d28125)

  182. First, I don’t recall you doing anything questionable here. Maybe I missed it. You just don’t come around enough.

    Second, endless criticism does get tedious in real life but this is a blog. I don’t remember anyone complaining that Patterico “endlessly criticized” the LA Times or Obama or that he started the “Deport The Criminals First” series. (There are also examples where Patterico blogged positively about things Trump has done.) Did aphrael complain that everyone criticized Obama too much? No, he didn’t. If it bugged him, he probably just left for awhile, because he knew this is Patterico’s blog and his decision what to blog about.

    DRJ (15874d)

  183. So pretending that Mcdonnell is doing everything in his power to frustrate any advance in policy, that Richard burr is worse than useless in the grishenko inquiry, that schumer is wagging the dog here for inatance

    narciso (d1f714) — 3/31/2018 @ 12:59 pm

    Peter Switzer was promoting his new book Secret Empires on The Phil Valentine Show. It sounds really good. The Bidens, McConnells and Kushners all have chapters it seems.

    Pinandpuller (b92041)

  184. It is disappointing how this has divided people. I care why that is but I can’t figure it out, and each time I try to discuss it, it seems to upset some people.

    DRJ (15874d)

  185. Ok, what is your scale? What makes criticism deranged or mendacious?

    DRJ (15874d) — 3/31/2018 @ 12:55 pm

    I listen to a Lifetime Movie breakdown podcast by Molly McAleer. She uses a reverse scale. 1 is a movie like The Godfather and 5 is like Mother May I Sleep with Danger. She has several subcategories she judges by, two of them being “Overreaction” and “Under-reaction”. So it’s like, did the character act like they were in The Godfather or like they were in a Lifetime Movie. I guess you just expect certain things from certain networks.

    Pinandpuller (b92041)

  186. Which is deranged on that scale, Godfather or a Lifetime movie?

    DRJ (15874d)

  187. Candidly, that isn’t helping me much. I don’t watch many Lifetime movies.

    DRJ (15874d)

  188. Yes its very interesting, the leaser known ties were the daleys to Chinese pricelings through an outfit called tur

    But here’s a n interesting bit. Qatar gave 15 billion alone to briokings who nit surprisingly push their anti Israel, anti western agenda, which has increasingly become anti kingdom as it usurps the home of the moslem brotherhood

    narciso (d1f714)

  189. And their mouthpiece isaljazeera and mist recently middle ear eye, which ends up in the mail and then the new York times

    narciso (d1f714)

  190. laura ingraham lol

    honey sweetie you’re nailing it but if you want to be even more useless here are the suggestions for your considerate

    suggestion #1 do exactly what you’re doing but dressed up like Olivia Newton John in the let’s get physical physical video

    suggestion #2 you are do spank-the-pope pancake breakfast where instead of sponsors you can raise money by letting people pay $5 for all you can eat pancake plus they get to spank a naked pope (character not real one)

    suggestion #3 practice doing apologize on all your employees you let down instead of doing apologize on tiny dick don quixote (wait that’s actually pretty useful)

    suggestion #4 herbalife

    suggestion #5 oh sweetie just give it up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  191. @194. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Hello Mona, thanks for Charren.

    @195. Wimpoles makes dining rooms glow yet silver shines by candlelight.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  192. is mona doing that thing again?

    in public?

    happyfeet (28a91b)


  193. I hope these corporations that allow themselves to be extorted need to be sent a message loud and clear.
    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4) — 3/31/2018 @ 11:16 am


    I’m trying to figure out why companies who obviously see a benefit in sales by advertising on Ingram’s show or on FOX in general would listen to a bunch of idiots who never, ever watch Ingram’s show in the first place. The people complaining are not the people the companies are advertising to so why should they care? However, by acquiescing to the infantile demands of leftist nobodies these same companies are now losing customers that like Ingram and/or FOX by insulting them. Plus, they are losing customers like me who don’t like the idea of conservatives being targeted for censored speech by companies in cahoots with leftists. I see that almost as I would the government doing it because historically the way the left works next they will be trying to get the government to do it.

    What theses leftists are doing is two fold. First they want to see how far they can push the free speech envelope and second how far the media and corporate shills will back them before the next elections. They are planning a new paradigm for advertising and commercial warfare on conservatives and Republicans.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  194. why are people calling her Ingram i keep seeing that

    it’s WRONG hello america

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. @213. She’s a corker, Mr. Feet; vintage conservative. Whine w/bitter dregs, stale cheese and crackers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  196. She’s half polish, went to dartmouth where she fought the campus left at the review, was a clerk for Clarence Thomas, briefly worked at skadden harps, was on the earlier MSNBC iteration, ‘Americas talking’

    narciso (d1f714)

  197. she’s way more valuable as a martyr with her head atop David Pigg’s lord of the flies shtick

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. She’s a corker, Mr. Feet; vintage conservative.

    in my head i keep her in the same bucket as joseph sobran and jeff “have you seen my gay son” jacoby

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  199. I don’t care of she’s the worst Republican on earth we can’t let these Nazi’s get away with denying a person’s income because they don’t agree with their politics. This is one of those cases where if we don’t hang together we will hang separately. Ingram’s not the point. A pip-squeak leftist troll harming her income and her family because he wants our guns is the point.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  200. if she’s not pretty well set by now she did it so wrong

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  201. I’m not feeling so well today so I may conk out soon and I want to wish everyone a Happy Easter and a Happy Passover in case I cut off.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)


  202. 221.if she’s not pretty well set by now she did it so wrong
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/31/2018 @ 3:30 pm


    That’s not the point, happyfeet. I’m pretty well set does that give someone the right to ruin me because he doesn’t like who I voted for?

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  203. but no she’s completely replaceable (and with someone way more talented and effective)

    but having david pigg gig her like a flounder in full view of everyone is priceless and wonderful

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  204. If I were Laura Ingraham I’d be over interviewing the kid brother of the shooter, the recently dismissed school guard, anyone who has had to put up with the sanctimonious Hitler Youth for more than a minute.

    Because the story isn’t how Nick Cruz did this thing anymore.

    THe story is why did he do this thing?

    The story is why Officer Barney Fife looked the other way?

    School shootings don’t just drop out of the sky. Someone was instigating.

    Guess who.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  205. That’s not the point, happyfeet.

    lemons and lemonade Mr. Hoagie

    the brass knuckles media fight is one well worth having

    and not just cause it depreciates the medium of cable news

    CNN and their anal wart hosts aren’t really understanding the can of worms they’re opening

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  206. @217. The bouquet is off the whine as cheese stales on Ingraham crackers.

    @219. Oh my, Mr. Feet, in a storm, seek shelter: ‘At the end of her broadcast Friday night, Fox News’ Laura Ingraham announced she was taking what was described as a pre-planned vacation next week. The Fox host said she will be spending the Easter break with her kids and The Ingraham Angle will be manned by a slate of guest hosts while she is out.

    This break comes as more than a dozen companies have pulled advertising from her show following her tweet in which she mocked Parkland student David Hogg for getting rejected by four colleges. After she sent the tweet, Hogg called on her main advertisers to pull their commercials from her show, utilizing a list from Media Matters for America. Ingraham later apologized for the tweet, stating she was sorry for the hurt her tweet caused Hogg or “any of the brave victims of Parkland, only to be rebuffed by the high school student.

    If this seems somewhat familiar, you may remember that it was about a year ago when longtime Fox News host Bill O’Reilly took what he said was a pre-planned break while dealing with an exodus of advertisers from his program. Companies at that time were pushing Fox to pull their ads from O’Reilly’s show following a New York Times report detailing numerous sexual harassment settlements he had paid out. O’Reilly never returned to the air as he was fired roughly a week later.’- Mediaite

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  207. @225- If you were Laura Ingraham you’d be on bye-bye vacation; see #227.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  208. Ingraham’s a nasty worthless cable news trollop same same as Palin

    when she apologies to a tiny dick fascist she flushed her “no bra and t-shirt” brand of conservatism down the toilet

    she’s just dirty now

    debased

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  209. Why are we even talking about Elmer Fudd anymore?

    They shot their wad in Washington, and couldn’t scrape together a fifth of the turnout of an average abortion protest (ten times the garbage though – bunch of old cat ladies and slobs).

    papertiger (c8116c)

  210. Well I disagree, we know the lefts playbook, search and destroy, they tried. With rush, they were more successful with beck and o’reilly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  211. @231. Chocolate mousse is bittersweet but meringue takes whipping egg whites.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  212. It’s dogschiff leftists with a propensity for propagating fascist tactics that must be stopped… by any means necessary.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  213. pls to recall the whipping picadilly

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  214. “ I don’t remember anyone complaining that Patterico “endlessly criticized” the LA Times or Obama or that he started the “Deport The Criminals First” series. ”

    It’s his blog and he has every right to post whatever he sees fit to post, but you probably would’ve seen complaints if he had posted it even 50% of the time he’s spent on Trump bashing over the last 2 years.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  215. 232… the usual bullschiff from a Class “A” bullschiffer…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  216. @236. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Colon’el, mate? Use Preparation H- ‘aiku.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  217. 233.It’s dogschiff leftists with a propensity for propagating fascist tactics that must be stopped… by any means necessary.

    =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Deltaaaaa is readyyyy when you areeeee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


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