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3/10/2018

Washington Post Writer Argues Against Protecting Babies With Down Syndrome From Being Aborted

Filed under: General — Dana @ 10:31 am



[guest post by Dana]

In what has been described as a “courageous column,” Ruth Marcus at the Washington Post has written that had she discovered she was carrying a baby with Down syndrome, she would have had an abortion. Marcus, who identifies herself at her Twitter feed as the mother of two high-quality individuals, argues that the recent surge in laws being drafted to protect babies with Down syndrome from being aborted are unconstitutional, unenforceable — and wrong. She attempts to justify the righteousness of her stance by her own willingness to kill that which she would consider low-quality:

I can say without hesitation that, tragic as it would have felt and ghastly as a second-trimester abortion would have been, I would have terminated those pregnancies had the testing come back positive. I would have grieved the loss and moved on.

And I am not alone. More than two-thirds of American women choose abortion in such circumstances. Isn’t that the point — or at least inherent in the point — of prenatal testing in the first place?.

I respect — I admire — families that knowingly welcome a baby with Down syndrome into their lives. Certainly, to be a parent is to take the risks that accompany parenting; you love your child for who she is, not what you want her to be.

But accepting that essential truth is different from compelling a woman to give birth to a child whose intellectual capacity will be impaired, whose life choices will be limited, whose health may be compromised. Most children with Down syndrome have mild to moderate cognitive impairment, meaning an IQ between 55 and 70 (mild) or between 35 and 55 (moderate). This means limited capacity for independent living and financial security; Down syndrome is life-altering for the entire family.

So, to use Marcus’s standards and reasoning, babies in the womb found not to have immediate limited intellectual capacity or cognitive impairment, should not be aborted but be allowed to live.

While this mother of two high-quality individuals says she would grieve the loss of aborting a baby with Down syndrome, one has to wonder why, given their obvious failure to meet her stated standards of acceptability. In laying her cards on the table and ghoulishly confirming her view that only high-quality individuals need apply for membership in her family, I would think relief would more aptly describe her response to said abortion.

In her rationalization, Marcus unintentionally points out a grimly reality: these unique individuals, with their limited intellectual capabilities, would be, unlike her, unable to advocate for killing those deemed less than perfect – like themselves.

In breaking down her rationale, we see that she believes it’s a terrible thing that these individuals, if allowed to live, would have limited life choices. Raise your hand if you don’t have limitations in your life choices. We all do. And what a tragedy that their IQ’s wouldn’t be as high as Marcus’s, because then they too could feel some sort of perverse moral and intellectual superiority in declaring that human life has no intrinsic value in and of itself. It is conditional. And as for a limited capacity to be able to live independently and be financially secure, this presumes that everyone else is like Marcus: not compelled by love to provide and care for these individuals, in one way or another. Does she believe that these families would do anything less for their children than would she for her own two high-quality individuals? Moreover, would Marcus advocate death for the elderly living on small pensions in assisted living homes, or for those for whom tragedy befalls, rendering them unable to care care for themselves? Should they be put down? What would happen if one of her own high-quality individuals tragically ended up in a wheelchair and with a loss of brain function? Should they then be done away with because their unfortunate circumstances have now become a life-altering inconvenience for the entire family? Because from where I stand, no matter who it is that is born, they will forever alter the family into which they are welcomed. It will never be the unit it once was, and to most of us that is the very fulfilling definition of “family”. It is a rich and rewarding alteration, replete with pain and sorrow, joy and love, and with varying degrees of challenge. But while Marcus and her ilk see this as little more than an unwelcome inconvenience, untold families understand that this “inconvenience” comes with a unique, built-in opportunity to love, nurture and be blessed in ways unimaginable. It’s ironic that Marcus and her high IQ and full cognition fails to understand that quality of life is not wholly determined by one’s physical and mental limitations.

Marcus then goes on to publicly confess her own limited capacity to love, justifying it with a childish mentality:

I’m going to be blunt here: That was not the child I wanted. That was not the choice I would have made. You can call me selfish, or worse, but I am in good company. The evidence is clear that most women* confronted with the same unhappy alternative would make the same decision.

Great, because everybody’s doing it makes it morally right, eh? It is simply abhorrent thinking that quality of life is being determined by how much of an inconvenience one brings to their family. If you’re not going to be too big of a pain in the ass, I’ll let you live. And because any number of equally hard-hearted women feel likewise, the killing of innocents is justified. Everybody’s doing it.

With that, Marc A. Thiessen ponders when the killing of individuals with Down syndrome will stop. Accurately pointing out that there will always be those who see people with Down syndrome as nothing more than a burden on society, Thiessen draws our attention to Frank Stephens, a man with Down syndrome who told members of Congress:

“I am a man with Down syndrome, and my life is worth living.” Noting the abortion rates for Down syndrome babies in Europe, he declared, “I completely understand that the people pushing this particular ‘final solution’ are saying that people like me should not exist,” but pleaded, “Let’s be America, not Iceland or Denmark. . . . Let’s pursue inclusion, not termination.”

Contrary to Marcus’s morbid doom and gloom efforts to diminish the quality of life for individuals born with Down syndrome:

A 2011 study by Harvard University researchers found that rather than leading lives of suffering, people with Down syndrome have unusually high rates of happiness. An amazing 99 percent said they are happy with their lives, 97 percent like who they are, and 96 percent like how they look. “Overall, the overwhelming majority of people with Down syndrome surveyed indicate they live happy and fulfilling lives,” the researchers found.

Surveys from Boston Children’s Hospital found that far from being a burden on their families, children with Down syndrome bring enormous joy to their loved ones. Ninety-four percent of siblings expressed feelings of pride about their brother or sister with Down syndrome, and 88 percent said that they were better people because of them. Only 4 percent would trade their sibling in for another, and only 4 percent of parents regretted having their Down syndrome child. It turns out, the hospital concluded, that “the experience of Down syndrome is a positive one for most parents, siblings and people with Down syndrome themselves.”

All lives matter, and when that life comes with an extra chromosome and an enormous capacity to make those around them better people, how much more should we fight to protect them so they might brightly shine in this lost and dying world.

(*Marcus claims the number is 67%.)

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

109 Responses to “Washington Post Writer Argues Against Protecting Babies With Down Syndrome From Being Aborted”

  1. It seems too painfully obvious to change out Down syndrome with “Jewish” or “female” and see how Marcus feels about that. She would be singing a different tune indeed.

    Dana (023079)

  2. Thank you for this post Dana. Thank you for defying the out of sight, out of mind, mind set.

    felipe (023cc9)

  3. tragic as it would have felt and ghastly as a second-trimester abortion would have been

    Imagine how tragic and ghastly it would have felt to the baby — if you can imagine that, Ruth, you narcissistic twit.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  4. Kishnevi, Like i said, painfully obvious.

    Patricia, I don’t think you’re supposed to say that out loud.

    Dana (023079)

  5. I thought the fact 100 people were so angry with him for stating the obvious was a data point to be noted.

    Kishnevi (0cb353)

  6. WaPo has no standards. It will publish any kind of crap.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. Yes, Kishnevi, it is noteworthy. Sadly.

    Dana (023079)

  8. Hm, from Wiki: In March 2007, Ruth Marcus was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Commentary.

    Dana (023079)

  9. Marcus is a Nazi.

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  10. In March 2007, Ruth Marcus was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Commentary.

    They give these things to each other as participation trophies for being faithful members of the tribe.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. I have a friend – our friendship dates back a half century – who has a sister a couple of years younger than him. She and her husband’s first of three children was born with Down syndrome. The young man was the light of their lives, and brought joy, not just to their family, but to all of those who knew them. He grew into adulthood and he remained with them, with a large living space in the upstairs of their home in Orange County. He always looked foward to Fridays, as Friday was pizza day and he always got his own pizza. One Friday night in the Fall of 2016, he took what was left of his pizza and went upstairs to watch some TV before bed. When he didn’t come downstairs bright and early the next morning, they went upstairs to check on him and found that he’d died in his sleep at the age of 32.

    My friend told me a month or so ago that his sis was still having a terrible time coming to grips with it, her son’s death had left such a hole in their lives.

    Colonel Haiku (3ad005)

  12. coronello, I lost the only son I’ll ever have just over a quarter century ago. Ask me how I got over it.

    No, don’t ask. I think you know.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  13. I can’t even imagine having to deal with a loss like that, Steve.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. Child. I meant to say child.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  15. If I ever have a stray thought as to why we are subject to any of the evils in the world (Why do bad things happen to good people???), I am reminded of our collective wickedness anytime the subject of elective abortions is raised.

    If I ever begin to have some kind/forgiving thoughts for the Leftists, I am snapped back to reality when I see how they lead the charge for the slaughter of innocents and that this is a direct result of their God-less belief system.

    And many pretend to wonder why the NRA so mistrusts governments and communities when they insist on demonstrating the value of life must be less than the convenience of the collective and its leaders…

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  16. He was only mine for few minutes. He was my wife’s for months. How could he kick like that, if there was something wrong with him?

    I never blamed my wife for reacting, “Oh, you’re back” when I returned from deployment following 9/11. What the h3ll was she suppose to say? She needed me and I went away. Now I’m divorced, and I’m one of the few who doesn’t hate his ex.

    The same mistake I will not make sez Yoda.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  17. Ve haf lots of records ov volks who vanted to mak themselvis pure. Zey almust killed mein oncle. Ruth is ein schvine.

    Bunkie Nude Son (5a4596)

  18. I can’t even imagine having to deal with a loss like that, Steve.
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/10/2018 @ 12:02 pm

    e

    If sometimes my sense of humor seems off, forgive me. I’m not asking for an all-purpose out.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  19. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/USNS_Lewis_B._Puller_%28T-ESB-3%29_at_Naval_Station_Norfolk_on_20_April_2016.JPG

    That will be no longer USNS Puller. That’s USS Puller, A Man O’War. No doubt as Chesty would have wanted it.

    A fine ship. As were the Kearsarge and the Wasp that the Navy sent to P.R. following the last hurricane. Ands3 the Oak Hill.

    What the h3ll were people thinking, criticizing the response? We sent the best we have.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  20. Dana, I expect my expulsion letter from the Feminist Majority any day now.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  21. I don’t agree. I think a fetus with with Down’s syndrome (or other severe defect) is a better reason than most for getting an abortion.

    James B. Shearer (891f64)

  22. Fetus means offspring. Latin 101. A child.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  23. Got STOL?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQJKW5vfvog

    2016 STOL Highlights

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  25. They seem to think brave new world is a how to manual, I found that novel very creepy when I read it in high school. There’s a reason I called molochs minions.

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. The morally deficient are, by far, a greater threat to society than the cognitively impaired. I invite Ms. Marcus and all who agree with her to stop by Tiergartenstrasse 4 and ask for Dr. Mengele. No appointment necessary.

    nk (dbc370)

  27. some people are very well-suited to parent a child with the down syndrome but others are not

    it has always been this way

    people have to make their own decision about this stuff

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. This statement by Marcus is haunting:

    That was not the child I wanted….. You can call me selfish, or worse, but I am in good company.

    It’s worse than selfish. It’s not only admitting death to a baby with Down syndrome was preferable to her, but it also condemns those who are disabled. A society is judged by how it treats the very youngest of its members, and the very elderly. To delude herself that she is in “good company” is a lie she must tell herself to quiet her conscience, if not already seared.

    The barbarous legal act of abortion already condemns society as a whole; the willingness of Marcus to kill that which she created because of its perceived imperfection, condemns her alone.

    Dana (023079)

  29. increasingly in the future that will come as early as next week and next month and next year a lot of people will have a lot of input into exactly what kind of kids they will have (privileged people)

    for a good while normal average people what just kinda get by will just have input into what kinda kids they *don’t* have

    but slowly slowly that will change

    really enjoyed season one of Altered Carbon

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. yes yes!

    the people what choose to have a Down syndrome kid and the people what abort them are both making the right choice

    it’s wonderful, living in a free country where you get to do your own decide on your choices

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. Britten Norman Defender.

    Scuse me

    http://www.britten-norman.com/defender/

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  32. I hope Mr Marcus has a living will or doesn’t suffer a TBI. Buh bye.

    Pinandpuller (46299c)


  33. it’s wonderful, living in a free country where you get to do your own decide on your choices


    Unless you happen to be the dead baby, happyfeet. They don’t get the chance to have “happyfeet”.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  34. Maybe she’s one of those dead o’s like ripd, an underappreciates supernatural comedy thrillers

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. It’s hard to argue that the elimination of the entire genetic line of specific individuals, such as Ms. Marcus, would not be a positive thing for society and humankind in general. But what Ms. Marcus herself is arguing is a step towards the adoption of that attitude as social and government policy. And I don’t think that’s a good thing.

    nk (dbc370)

  36. it is what it is

    per the post the system we have now is producing insanely happy downsers

    probably best not to eff with that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. Tell me again why they charged Scott Peterson with two counts of murder.

    Pinandpuller (46299c)

  38. the failmerica’s bad joke criminal justice system always overcharges everybody

    it’s just the way they are

    (the exceptions prove the rule)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. Tell me again why they charged Scott Peterson with two counts of murder.

    Because Planned Parenthood didn’t make any money from the baby’s body parts?

    nk (dbc370)

  40. You do know that when Roe v. Wade was ratified (yes, I mean ratified) no jurisdiction in America punished women who had abortions, right? We did restrain the abortionists. Roe v. Wade is all about a free market for abortion providers.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. Modern people are so detached from killing from the supermarket to planned parenthood. Scott Peterson was a hipster artisanal family killer but he didn’t the PP supply chain advantage.

    Pinandpuller (46299c)

  42. i like down syndrome it’s so good

    but kids without down syndrome are pretty terrific too

    i like them all they’re so good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. Happyfeet, re your post #33, that was a movie called Gattaca (1999, when Ethan Hawke was still relevant), where it was rare and frowned upon if your parents made you the normal way. Designer children were the norm, and naturally concepteds were consigned to low pay low prestige jobs. Actually, our society is about halfway there, considering the near-inbreeding of the elite and all the science and medical edifice behind getting women (and men) to conceive past age 35 or so.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  44. Look guys, my dad got me my first abortion when I was 12. I grew up with abortions and abortion activities. I’ve always been a responsible abortion enthusiast. But we need some sensible abortion laws. Did you know any 13 year old can walk in to any abortion shop in America and buy one? That needs to change.

    Pinandpuller (46299c)

  45. Pin, i didn’t know you were a Kardashian.

    urbanleftbehind (78338d)

  46. i don’t think we can ban the future though, even if it’s messy and fraught

    but i’m biased

    i love watching the gorgeous beautiful trainwreck of humanity and technology

    you have so many choices

    and people are starting to learn

    they don’t have to be a facebook slut

    they don’t have to poke at their phone all the time

    they can pick and choose

    alexa but not facebook

    audible but not kindle

    netflix but not hbo go

    fitness app on the iphone but not fitbit

    i study nuclear science i love my classes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. How Dow know his not Ethan hawke

    Of course this isn’t anew attitude conaidee the Donald sutherleland shreak
    When the huntress was nominated, pikachu was at least Leonard nimoy back then

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. btw not a lot’s been written yet about the threat echo screen networks pose to facebook

    it’s so exciting

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  49. i liked Sarah until she resigned her governorship

    that was a grotesque display of poor character

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  50. A world where Ethan hawk could easily pass for Jude law Shirley?

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. Kishnevi

    I think you lead me to my first Twitter flame war so thanks, I think.

    Pinandpuller (46299c)

  52. Pin, i didn’t know you were a Kardashian.

    urbanleftbehind (78338d) — 3/10/2018 @ 6:22 pm

    Nah my dad isn’t dead or a woman.

    Pinandpuller (46299c)

  53. Ethan Hawke in Abortion Doctor Training Day.

    Pinandpuller (46299c)

  54. That flick gonna have a juxtaposed Mah N….h meme with Dr. Gosnell in place of Denzel?

    urbanleftbehind (78338d)

  55. Ot it turns Lorenzo is based on a,Latin cop Perez, who turns,out was connected to the hit on tupac,

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. The author of the Post article seems so proud of herself. There was a time when even if you thought such things it would be too shameful to admit.

    vanB (5460c2)

  57. i liked Sarah until she resigned her governorship

    that was a grotesque display of poor character

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/10/2018 @ 6:31 pm

    It is unsurprising and telling that you would say Palin’s resignation was a gross display of poor character but say nothing about Marcus’s utter lack of character. Palin, knowing her baby had Down syndrome, opted to lovingly welcome him into their family. That, happyfeet, is what character looks like. I thought you might want to know given that you obviously don’t recognize it when you see it.

    Dana (023079)

  58. That why I say Leonard nimoy, what kellyanne was dinged by last week by that annuated dweeb schaub she got nearly every week,

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. The morally deficient are, by far, a greater threat to society than the cognitively impaired
    nk (dbc370) — 3/10/2018 @ 5:02 pm

    That is so true!

    felipe (023cc9)

  60. So let’s say that a gay person can be discerned in utero. Abortion for sex selection is already okay.
    What would be the argument against abortion…”woman’s choice”?

    Richard Aubrey (10ef71)

  61. I suspect that as an Ashkenazi married to an Ashkenazi and conceiving in her late 30s, Ms. Marcus has personally faced what she is talking about. Maybe not to the point of abortion, but almost certainly prenatal testing and all the unavoidable thoughts and emotions that go with it. I guess she’s sharing?

    nk (dbc370)

  62. Possibly but she’s long since removed any benefit of the doubt onnparactically any matter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. Well, yes, her personal choices and public policy are two entirely different things. She’s putting lipstick on her pig and trying to pass it off on the rest of us.

    nk (dbc370)

  64. nonono this is simply a choice not a moral conundrum

    sarah wanted a down babby

    ruth doesn’t

    it’s just that simple

    neither of them should be praised or condemned for their decisions

    ruth’s decision is largely hypothetical though

    we don’t really know what she’d do if she were actually pregnant with a down babby

    and really should we even care

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  65. nonono ruth is saying that as a matter of public policy there should be no law against aborting babies in the third trimester for no other reason than that they have down syndrome

    nk (dbc370)

  66. No Ethan, more like the fat guy partner to depp as George Jung you’ve missed the point, sad.

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. nonono ruth is saying that as a matter of public policy there should be no law against aborting babies in the third trimester for no other reason than that they have down syndrome

    yesyes Ruth can be absurdly mouthy about all sorts of inane crap but the trick is to just ignore her

    there’s a cafe in roger’s park what specializes in s’mores!

    it’s right next to the bunny chow place – me and my friend F went there today

    i liked my bunny chow it was very satisfying, and spicier than i expected

    but i probably won’t go back very soon cause of the carbs… for sure though I’m glad i got to try one (lamb curry)

    it definitely falls under that much-beloved umbrella of hearty peasant fare

    my friend F had a veggie one and he was kinda underwhelmed – it was spicy but it wasn’t seasoned to his taste (he likes garlic)

    so the trick is to ask them to add roasted garlic (i called bunny chow to discuss – they have roasted garlic at hand)

    after all that bread though i couldn’t rationalize marshmallow cafe

    that sounds like maybe a fun holiday sojourn though, especially if i have guests

    since we were so close to edgewater we wanted to go to Income Tax for drinks after lunch but guess what it doesn’t open til 5 (Income Tax is a new bar from Veronica Roth’s husband and partners)

    so we ubered from bunny chow to a new Lincoln Square place called The Warbler only to find it didn’t open until 4:30

    and SO

    we went to Gene’s and got what we needed to make Mr. nk’s palmetto:

    Palmetto:
    One ounce of Bacardi
    One ounce of dry vermouth
    Three drops of bitters
    Ice cubes
    Stir

    this was a win (we substituted orange bacardi)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. btw just a half-teaspoon or so of salt water opens up the palmetto nicely – probably wouldn’t have needed it if we’d used regular bacardi, but Gene’s is super-boozhie and didn’t have just a plain basic rum

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. The left worships Moloch and needs to spill blood to show their loyalty. Truly sick and twisted.

    May God righteously judge them and they judge others.

    NJRob (b00189)

  70. You probably don’t believe in birth control either. conservative creedo abortion is murder but after your born kid your on your own as conservatives don’t believe in welfare or medicade.

    zbs (e7c45d)

  71. In Soviet California, birth control believes in you.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  72. Once you’re willing to kill off your own undesirable offspring, killing off other undesirables is easily justified.

    Allen (5f3847)

  73. Ms Pelosi would probably advise her fellow Catholics to terminate white babies.

    And create a following among her leftist Catholic supporters.

    the Bas (3bcea0)

  74. @67- I would have gone with Luke 17:2 (KJV naturally) myself.

    the Bas (3bcea0)


  75. 78.You probably don’t believe in birth control either. conservative creedo abortion is murder but after your born kid your on your own as conservatives don’t believe in welfare or medicade.
    zbs (e7c45d) — 3/10/2018 @ 10:04 pm


    We have a winner for the dumbass statement of the day.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  76. Where does it end? Testing can, of course, determine the sex of a child. Perhaps, in the near future, whether or not a fetus is likely to be gay. Down’s Syndrome. Cancer gene? There may be racial revelations. On and on. And there will always be parents willing to abort offspring with less personally desired characteristics.

    And at what age does this right to terminate end? Three months. Six. Nine. Why not post-birth? Believe it… more people than you know would go for it. The pressure to terminate a young life is tremendous under many of these circumstances.

    You often hear pro-choice activists try to make this an issue best decided by the individual vs. the intrusive government. That is a false argument. The government MUST decide when to protect life. It always does. Always. Its a question of when.

    noel (b4d580)

  77. 78… the return of perry?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  78. Noel, that post alone should, in an ideal world, get you out of the penalty box of several fellow commenters.

    urbanleftbehind (78338d)

  79. Urbanleftbehind, I don’t know how ideal it is but his comment meant something to me. It’s the first time I agreed with noel on anything, I think. Progress.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  80. Colonel, I think #78 is just a troll.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  81. The precious gift of life is a part of The Plan. There is a reason for our existence. Among many important questions we each need to ask ourselves, are these three:

    1) who am I?
    2) why am I here?
    3) where am I going?

    Killing the unborn is not a part of the Plan… doing all each of us can do to bring our young into this world, nurture them, provide guidance, live a moral life, live by the Golden Rule, to serve others, these are key.

    As Robert Zimmerman summed it up, “you gotta serve somebody… may be the Devil… may be the Lord, but you gotta serve somebody”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  82. My $.02 anyways

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. All her reasons for aborting a baby in the womb because of a low quality of life can also be used for adults. I have Parkinson’s and there are some things that I cannot longer do. I need help from my wife to straighten my collar and button the sleeves of a dress shirt.

    In her world should I be put to death because of the quality of my life?

    Tanny O'Haley (47a8b4)

  84. The gender imbalance across Asia is really getting out of hand. If you have millions of extra males with no prospects you’re gonna have a bad time.

    Pinandpuller (b6f7f3)

  85. I think you call that eating your seed rice.

    Pinandpuller (b6f7f3)

  86. The gender imbalance across Asia is really getting out of hand. If you have millions of extra males with no prospects you’re gonna have a bad time.
    Pinandpuller (b6f7f3) — 3/11/2018 @ 9:52 am

    Well, a few million might make for a motivated Army. Nah, no government would screw over their people just to manipulate them into going to war for them. That’s just crazy talk. Never mind.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)


  87. Well, a few million might make for a motivated Army.


    That’s exactly what went through mu mind when I read Pinandpuller’s comment, Stashiu3. I came to your conclusion. Leftists would never do anything like that.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)


  88. In her world should I be put to death because of the quality of my life?
    Tanny O’Haley (47a8b4) — 3/11/2018 @ 9:50 am


    You need to understand the mind if a leftist, Tanny O’Haley. You should be put to death because of her opinion of your quality of life. You have no damn say in the matter.

    Just like that idiot troll zbs at #78. He knows everything about what someone else thinks, does and believes and woe to you if you think he doesn’t.

    Make no mistake the left would kill us all if they could. Just look at what they did last century to those who dared to disagree.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402)

  89. Colonel Haiku @ 89 – very well said.

    Leviticus (924d70)

  90. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/11/2018 @ 9:36 am
    I agree with Leviticus, well said Colonel. 2 cents to some is like gold to others.

    felipe (023cc9)

  91. obama doll = idolatry?

    felipe (023cc9)

  92. About 22 years ago now, it has to be, my son fell down the stairs at grandma’s house and we had to take him to the ER like you do.

    While we were sitting in the waiting room there was another young couple there. The kind you have no choice but to overhear. The girl had an ectopic pregnancy, we would learn. The young man excitedly called up one of their parents to tell them the so called good news. I guess I got one of those good educations because I knew the probable outcome wasn’t at all good.

    That’s an example of that “My people suffer for lack of knowledge” sort of thing.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  93. Well, a few million might make for a motivated Army. Nah, no government would screw over their people just to manipulate them into going to war for them. That’s just crazy talk. Never mind.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/11/2018 @ 10:22 am

    My wife’s grandma was a war bride after getting raped by who knows how many Russian soldiers.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  94. Make no mistake the left would kill us all if they could. Just look at what they did last century to those who dared to disagree.

    Rev.Hoagie (1b0402) — 3/11/2018 @ 10:37 am

    Abortion is birth control and euthanasia is death control.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  95. Well, a few million might make for a motivated Army. Nah, no government would screw over their people just to manipulate them into going to war for them. That’s just crazy talk. Never mind.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf) — 3/11/2018 @ 10:22 am

    Is there a call for a Japanese Sex Doll Cargo Cult?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  96. As another has reminded us, Obama kept a tiny hangman monkey god in his pocket, so its chimps all the way down.

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. Well, a few million might make for a motivated Army. Nah, no government would screw over their people just to manipulate them into going to war for them. That’s just crazy talk. Never mind.

    Bet they have a huge [toosiefruit] population, swishing down the street, brandishing their privates.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  98. I have always wondered,
    Those who can with malice and forethought, murder their own children for the crime of not meeting their own arbitrary standards,

    What other evil are they capable and willing to perform?

    Whether you believe in God or not, any intelligent person should acknowledge that life is something that is beyond the reach of man to create, yet we do not even blink when mankind ends that life at the alter of convenience.

    Be kind to the life you have been blessed with, your own and any that is within your power to love and protect. Far too many people are never blessed with that burden.

    What a different world we would have if those who have been blessed with life would just love and protect that life with the enthusiasm that they would want for themselves.

    MSG Grumpy (05c045)

  99. Back when I was expecting my 3rd child I went to the grocery store with my two older children. I had a woman verbally attack me in the check-out line and yell at me for a good five minutes about how I should be forced to have an abortion (mind you I was about 8 months pregnant) and anyone that had two children should be forcibly sterilized. The people around me just shuffled nervously and went to a different line. Finally the manager asked the woman to leave but it was a tough 5 minutes. This was back in 1982. It is much worse now.

    I got back at her though, I went on to have a fourth!

    @89 Colonel – Can’t add anything to that. Pretty clear isn’t it.

    Marci (98fec4)

  100. What dose this Washington Compost writer think about halting a dam over some stupid little fish or holding up a medical research building over some dumb insect it appears liberals have mental disorder called Stupidty

    Spurwing Plover (7d814d)


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