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2/28/2018

Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf Tried to Protect Illegal Immigrants Like This from ICE

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am



U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested over 150 people in the San Francisco Bay Area beginning on Sunday. One day earlier, Oakland mayor Libby Schaaf had warned the illegal immigrant community that the raids were coming, saying: “I am sharing this information publicly not to panic our residents but to protect them. My priority is for the well-being and safety of all residents — particularly our most vulnerable.” Despite her interference, ICE still nabbed a lot of people.

What type of person did they arrest? If you don’t read very far into an article from CBS San Francisco Bay Area, you would think: Family men. That’s who they arrested. The article is titled Family Heartbroken After Napa Man Arrested By ICE Agents and begins this way:

As ICE agents made arrests across the state Sunday during their latest crackdown, KPIX 5 spoke to a teen girl from Napa who watched in tears as her father was taken away.

Video posted on Snapchat captured the moment of the arrest just after 9 a.m. Sunday morning.

ICE agents took Armando Nunez Salgado into custody outside his home. According to family members, he was in the backyard when agents walked right in through the side gate. His 14-year-old daughter Isabel Salgado dissolved into tears.

“I cried. I got very emotional, I was really sad,” said Isabel. “I mean to watch someone who is part of your everyday life and then you just have to watch him leave without saying goodbye. It kind of hurts.”

Armando is a construction worker who has been in America more than 30 years. His wife Elena Ponce said his parents brought him to the U.S. when he was only four years old.

The story quotes his wife as saying: “He wasn’t a danger to the community in any way.” It’s a tearjerker. Good on the Oakland mayor, amirite?!

Except …

… Except that, as you read further into the article, you find that this particular illegal immigrant was into drugs. And gangs. And violence.

But let’s not read the hacks at CBS any further. Let’s hear from ICE. Jazz Shaw at Hot Air has the press release from ICE:

On Sunday, Feb. 25, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) San Francisco Fugitive Operations Team arrested ICE fugitive Armando Nuñez-Salgado, 38, a citizen of Mexico and documented Sureño gang member, who has been previously removed by ICE on four prior occasions. Over the past 18 years he has accumulated criminal convictions in California that have resulted in more than 15 years of prison sentencings. His criminal convictions include assault with a deadly weapon (statutorily enhanced because of his gang member status), burglary, hit-and-run causing injury and evading a peace officer.

Let me translate “Sureño gang member” for you. That is someone who owes allegiance to the Mexican Mafia, and is willing to carry out criminal acts on their behalf. This man’s record of violence had him in ICE’s crosshairs for some time, and he had been deported four times before.

I guess he should have listened when the lunatic currently occupying the Oakland mayor’s office tried to warn him.

Schaaf, you’ll be pleased to learn, has no regrets:

In an interview with The Washington Post on Tuesday, she explained that her decision to tip off immigrants stemmed from a deep disagreement with immigration enforcement under the Trump administration and a resistance to the administration’s enforcement efforts.

Resistance!!!

Well, guess what? Immigration enforcement is a federal priority, not a local one. She doesn’t get to show “resistance” to it.

I hope the Trump administration finds ways to punish leaders of sanctuary cities in general, and this woman in particular, for their dangerous actions. This interference with federal policy is outrageous, and (as we saw with Kate Steinle) costs lives. It has to stop.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

351 Responses to “Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf Tried to Protect Illegal Immigrants Like This from ICE”

  1. ICE=Stasi

    Bottom feeders of LE as is ATF

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  2. Stasi, on second thought is highly complimentary.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  3. Round them up and return them to the sh!t hole country they were hatched in.

    mg (b7441a)

  4. “Outrageous” is actually an understatement. I don’t know what would happen to me if I interfered with a federal law enforcement operation, but I’d be willing to bet I would not be treated with kid gloves, as Ms. Schaaf is likely to be.

    Demosthenes (1e7dbc)

  5. what would help is if we builded a wall

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. i could help i’m really good at that thing you use to tamp down the earth where you make it flat so you can build on it except i get blisters

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. federal law enforcement operation

    I am glad to see illegal immigrants removed.

    The lawyers will correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that what the mayor did is, from a legal standpoint, equivalent to telling someone whose car is double-parked that a meter-maid is coming down the street, or flashing your lights to warn an on-coming driver of a cop with radar ahead. Arguably poor citizenship (you should allow your friends to get parking tickets when they park illegally), but it is not the same as interfering with the police in a criminal matter.

    Unlawful presence is a civil infraction, like a parking ticket. From what is in the post, it sounds like the guy served the time for the crimes he was convicted of and didn’t have warrants outstanding. That’s why the ICE picked him up, and not the police.

    Dave (0160d2)

  8. #Good grief!

    A big city mayor being a lookout for a career criminal. “Cheese it! The cops are coming!”

    nk (dbc370)

  9. Trump should try “a pilot program to gauge the effects, if any, of illegal aliens in a large city” by shipping all California catch-and-releases to a Oakland with the stipulation that they’re safe from deportation as long as they’re inside the city limits. With maybe a second one in Malibu to gauge the effects in a smaller city.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. Great. I wonder how long before he is deported a sixth time.

    What I would like to see is POW type camps in the deserts of California, Arizona and Texas, where they are placed before deportation. A year for first timers, five years for second timers, and 10 for any violations after that. Use the Joe Arpio model for cost effectiveness.

    AND build the wall.

    This is what we are dealing with.

    TheBas (3bcea0)

  11. “Civil infraction” my @ss. This is an invasion.

    TheBas (3bcea0)

  12. She broke the law with malice. Prosecute her to the fullest extent of the law.

    NJRob (b00189)

  13. They might improve Oakland and thats in its present hipsters displacing Too Short iteration.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  14. I don’t see her as someone tipping off that the meter maid is coming. I see her as someone outing an undercover police officer in front of a bunch of criminals during the middle of a drug deal. Her actions placed ICE officers in very real danger, apparently based on information that was not available to the general public that she obtained as a result of her government position.

    Arrest her on federal charges of obstruction for starters, then throw everything you can at her for trial. Everything.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  15. feets,

    They have machines to tamp down the earth now. No blisters. Just drive those big roller things like what squashed Wile E. Coyote.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  16. 18 U.S. Code § 1502 – Resistance to extradition agent

    Whoever knowingly and willfully obstructs, resists, or opposes an extradition agent of the United States in the execution of his duties, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

    See also, https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-73

    nk (dbc370)

  17. nk,

    They should charge her for the 860+ illegals who remain at large and announce they will request her terms run consecutively, not concurrently.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  18. we should get some of those then

    once you have a nice wall in place the illegal miscreants are just left with hot air balloons and submarines, which creates a bottleneck

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. Dont forget the Bubba Gump scenario, happy, but maybe Lt. Dan could talk Forrest out of it.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  20. The thing I don’t get is Oakland is here. And Napa is way over ——— there.

    Jill Techel is the mayor of Napa. She murdered her way into office as is traditional in Napa county and the Klingon empire (beaned former mayor Solomon with a bottle of Zinfandel in an alley).

    papertiger (c8116c)

  21. 18 U.S. Code § 1502 – Resistance to extradition agent

    They were extraditing the guy?

    That requires a criminal warrant or something of comparable gravity (i.e. signed by a judge), doesn’t it, counselor?

    Dave (0160d2)

  22. @18 “hot air balloons and submarines”

    Don’t forget the trebuchets!

    phunctor (bf276f)

  23. Nope and nope. Extraditions are signed by the Executive — state governor or U.S. Secretary of State. Deportations by the Attorney General or an immigration judge under the authority of the Attorney General.

    But, yeah, I mixed up extradition with deportation.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. Y’all are quite revealong in your support of fascistic behavior just to get your Ya-Ya’s out for all to see.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  25. One issue voters with vengeance in their black hearts.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  26. How’s my Ya-Ya? Bigger than yours, right?

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  27. Hey Ben, please follow up if the guy gets sent to Poland.

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  28. The only problem is that the jurisdiction where she would be charged is San Francisco–meaning an immediate acquittal and likely a parade in her honor as she headed back to Oakland. Not to mention the lionization she would enjoy leading up to the trial.

    pete (a65bac)

  29. Your ya-ya is smaller but not smaller than a black heart.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  30. Poland?

    I was thinking Chechnya

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  31. Ben and Dave are close enough to resist a civil action but do nothing but talk like Sally Struthers in the Kineson joke. Sanctuary! He din du nada.

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  32. Hey Ben would you consider the pursuit of war criminals in other countries fascistic? International borders? Traffic lights? Numbers at delis?

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  33. So you would say Meathead

    Are those engrams fully operational?

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  34. 32

    Justice suffices…

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  35. So no justice for the victims of judgement proof criminal aliens. Got it.

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  36. If one of the 150 slowpoke Rodriguez* who was caught but not before running, juking, dodging, and leading an agent to have a slip-and-fall type injury while in pursuit, is that sufficient grounds to charge Schaff? Those caught would be issued extradition orders at some point upstream of their apprehension, correct?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  37. Keep trying pin.

    Practice is imperfect though.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  38. I knew you would lie, hahaha.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  39. @5.what would help is if we builded a wall

    Let bygones be bygones Mr. Feet!!–

    Judge Attacked By Trump OKs Border Wall Fast Track – Law360

    http://www.law360.com/articles/1016762

    The California federal judge President Trump accused of bias due to his “Mexican heritage” sided with the Oval Office on Tuesday.

    Judge Curiel rules border wall can proceed – CNNPolitics

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/border-wall-ruling-curiel

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. Hmm… it’s almost as if the attention brought by the accusation of bias ensured that this judge would rule according to the law and not legislate from the bench.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  41. judges are so gay anymore

    they expect a cookie when they do rulings in accordance with the law

    it didn’t used to be like that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  42. @6.i could help i’m really good at that thing you use to tamp down the earth where you make it flat so you can build on it except i get blisters

    Cheap labor for infrastructure projects is available, Mr. Feet; turns out Mexicans are very good at tunneling!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. When will you Wallies concede it’s a wasteful expenditure that’s only symbolic like the Statue of Liberty.

    At least the French paid for their belief this was a Land of the Free.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  44. Land of the Free? I’m all for adding one-way turnstiles to the wall, like they have at theme parks. Every 5 miles or so, with cameras and alarms in case of tampering. That way, anyone who wants to leave voluntarily is FREE to do so.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  45. @40

    It is tragic for everyone that once the discourse is poisoned it stays poisoned.

    phunctor (034f5b)

  46. i abjure tunneling

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. “The relationship between obesity and diabetes is of such interdependence that the term ‘diabesity’ has been coined,” two diabetes researchers wrote in 2005.

    i never heard that word my whole life until today

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  48. “That way, anyone who wants to leave voluntarily is FREE to do so.”

    I’m in favor of freedom but not when some are freer a la Orwell. It makes one a little more equal

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  49. I sincerely hope collapsed lung was a lie to free up time to go to this: http://abc7chicago.com/religion/church-holds-gun-blessing-ceremony-for-couples-with-ar-15-rifles/3154598/?sf183264380=1

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)

  50. Eventually y’all will cease being mystified as to how to categorize or simplify my ideology. Allow me to oversimplify…sic Semper tyrannis.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  51. Eventually y’all will cease being mystified as to how to categorize or simplify my ideology

    Few of us are mystified by you, Ben. We’re all aware that you’re a simpleton.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  52. Yep, no mystery at all.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  53. Yet you don’t challenge me even on an elementary level. How odd.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  54. Did you look up the odd word?

    What did you see?

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  55. Hahaha, you wish… you’re a proven liar and coward. You’re the pigeon on the chessboard.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  56. Mere words pistachio.

    Back them up. If you have the nards.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  57. I haven’t forgotten you Bartowski.

    Ante up!

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  58. Why should I link the proof again? You’ll just ignore it as usual. For anyone else who is interested, I would do it. For you, it’s a waste of time.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  59. Let me rephrase, if anyone else I respect is interested. Not going to play into trolls.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  60. “Resistance” to federal authority by an elected official? What else could we call that?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  61. Looks like Papa John’s tonight and no more Pizza Hut. Lol. I’m okay with that.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  62. Yes,their crust have gotten stale

    narciso (7293bc)

  63. it is not the same as interfering with the police in a criminal matter.

    Dave–

    She’s an elected official, so this is closer to misprision, at least in this individual’s case. Nice of the newspaper to document that.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  64. Wasn’t Judge Alcee Hastings impeached for warning a drug dealer of a police raid?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  65. Charles Bronson and Steve McQueen weren’t Mexican Mr DCSCA.

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  66. Treinta dias en el refrigiador.

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  67. Dave, illegal entry is a felony in this case:

    http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html

    For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)

    But just in case that isn’t enough to deter illegal entrants, a separate section of the law adds penalties for reentry (or attempted reentry) in cases where the person had been convicted of certain types of crimes and thus removed (deported) from the U.S., as follows:

    (1) People removed for a conviction of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.

    (2) People removed for a conviction of an aggravated felony shall be fined, imprisoned for up to 20 years, or both.

    (3) People who were excluded or removed from the United States for security reasons shall be fined, and imprisoned for up to ten years, which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.

    (4) Nonviolent offenders who were removed from the United States before their prison sentence was up shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.

    What’s more, someone deported before a prison sentence was complete may be incarcerated for the remainder of the sentence of imprisonment, without any reduction for parole or supervised release.

    (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1326, I.N.A. Section 276.)

    Kevin M (752a26)

  68. “……more than 15 years of prison sentencings. His criminal convictions include assault with a deadly weapon (statutorily enhanced because of his gang member status), burglary, hit-and-run causing injury and evading a peace officer.”

    So CBS can’t be bothered to see how heartbroken his victims are?

    harkin (f22a59)

  69. Don’t repeated illegal entries raise the violation from civil to criminal?

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  70. @66. But they didn’t work cheap, either.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. Yet you don’t challenge me even on an elementary level.

    I don’t engage you because you are an intellectually dishonest attention whore who suffers from logorrhea. I’ve got better things to do with my time than engage the likes of you.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  72. OT re, what else, the nitwit at 1600 Pennsylvania:

    (1) Jeff Sessions is living in a very special version of Hell in which his lickspittle loyalty to Donald J. Trump is used daily to filet him and bathe him in rubbing alcohol and salt. I’d be sympathetic if he weren’t, as Trump’s first and most vocal supporter from the U.S. Senate, so damned deserving of every bit of it.

    (2) If you are a supporter of the Second Amendment, your blood must have surely chilled, as mine did, listening to the nitwit expose his profound ignorance and tractability in today’s televised meeting, in which he consistently rebuked every Republican legislator present and consistently encouraged every Dem demanding immediate action, including requiring me to get a background check is my grandfather leaves me his shotgun in his will.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  73. * “… background check if my grandfather leaves me his shotgun in his will.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  74. With my extensive legal training (I watched Legally Blonde) it seems that the immigration law should be criminal if intentional and civil if inadvertent, mens rea (heh, the extent of my legal training) being the operative principle. Somebody overstaying a visa a few days because their Mom got sick just before they were supposed to leave should be fined. Somebody crossing the border through a river and desert area, jail then deportation.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  75. 59 the unbiased see your fraudulent claims

    That’s enough for me.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  76. Hard cases make bad law and this isn’t even a hard case, and obviousuly he was not warned personally. This ssays nothing about the other people taregted, and the people not targeted.

    None of what ICE is doing is for the purpose of fighting crime or breaking up a gang – this is just propaganda and a rationalization for the public. And what they are doing is utterly useless if it was their purpose.

    That this has anything to do with crime is untrue.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/nyregion/sanctuary-cities-immigrants-ice.html

    Immigration arrests of residents without criminal records more than tripled in New York after President Trump took office. Of the 2,976 arrests in 2017, 899 [30.2%] were of people without criminal convictions, up from 250 out of 1,762 [14.2%] in 2016, according to ICE statistics…

    … Since 2014, the city has declined to honor what are known as detainers — requests by ICE to hold undocumented immigrants who have been charged or convicted of crimes for 48 hours past their release dates so that immigration agents can pick them up. The city also removed immigration authorities from the Rikers Island jail complex where they had easy access to prisoners when they were released.

    …New York’s detainer law, however, has exceptions: The police must turn over a person convicted of one of 170 serious crimes within the last five years — including arson, homicide, rape or robbery — and in cases in which a judge has signed a detainer request.

    ICE issued 1,526 detainer requests to the New York Police Department in the 2017 fiscal year, up from 80 in 2016. The Police Department complied with none of them.

    Sounds like they are not going after real criminals. Or maybe I’m reading the New York Times story wrong. Maybe they have another way of getting them.

    In this case in Oakland, they probably went after Salgado because he had been deported four times already and for no other reason. None of what they are doing is for the purpose of fighting crime or breaking up a gang – this is just a rationalization. That this has anything to do with crime is getting more untrue with time the more they scale up.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  77. my extensive legal training..

    Truly? You have clients?

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  78. Beldar,

    My kids know where my tragic canoe accident occurred. After I’m gone, whatever they recover is salvage in remarkably good condition.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  79. Ben burn (abbb2c) — 2/28/2018 @ 1:19 pm

    You are truly a master at reading comprehension.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  80. Ben

    Would you say you support armed resistance against fascist agents?

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  81. Of course he does. By others. He will cower and soil himself. Wait, only the cowering will be new.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  82. We are right now, with the immigration issue, where we were before the “Compromise of 1850″ with the slavery issue, except that I don’t think there will be something cognate to the Fugitive Slave Law, which attempted to make states that didn’t want to enforce the slavery laws. This haoppened in part because it was based on aconstitutional provision.)

    Political pressure, and a little judicial activism, trying to force the national government to do what a majority didn’t want to also played a role, and here the judicial activism is in the opposite direction.

    People pushing for a crackdown on sanctuary cities and states would divide the country more than than abortion, gun rights, or the Vietnam War did.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  83. ICE doesn’t even have to prove that Salgado is dangerous, or even a gang member, even though that’s probably accurate, but merely that has repeatedly flouted U.S. immigration law, which applies to him mainly because of an accident of birth, and what his parents did.

    And what they keep on doing would fit some people’s definition of insanity.

    Since all of his close family seems to be in the United States and he doesn’t have can’t support them in Mexico, except maybe by getting more deeply involved in crinminal activity, which he is probably too incomptent to be very good at, he will try to come back, and being a member of a Mexican drug gang, means he can and will succeed in coming back, so long as the gang is in existence. But ICE is not trying to do anything practical. Its just a government bureaucracy.

    It might seem that he would be a candidate (if he was not too violent) for recruitment as an informer, but they are probably not trying to do that.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  84. If first they came for the criminal aliens and deported them unharmed to the land of their birth I think they’re doing it wrong. Guns first, then trade unionists, commies and eventually me.

    Pinandpuller (d15393)

  85. Breaking- NYT reports Hope Hicks to resign as WH Communications Director. And so it goes…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. 65. Judge Alcee Hastings was impeached for jury tampering in a case where he was on trial for bribery.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  87. Eventually, me

    I question your ordering.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  88. Breaking: Trump says gun owners not entitled to due process

    “Take the gun first, go through due process second”

    Are we great again yet?

    Dave (cb18f9)

  89. Bronson could pull it off looks wise.

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)

  90. Stashiu3

    Pizza Hut regular crust comes in as frozen discs. Do you have a Jet’s anywhere nearby? They make fresh dough in the morning and proof it for the day.

    Pinandpuller (0e0436)

  91. How is the Pretzel Party going to abuse these salient facts of caving by the spelunking, club wielding of CAVE-NATION represented by our Cheef Hakawi Trump.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  92. Proof is just C02 farts but I expect pin to know these facts.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  93. Pistachio nut and pineapples go together.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  94. RE; Hope Hicks.

    Is this about her testimony or about Rob Porter or problems about a security clearance?

    I think it’s the latter maybe caused by the middle thing.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/us/politics/hope-hicks-resign-communications-director.html

    Ms. Hicks, 29, a former model who joined Mr. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign without any experience in politics, became known as one of the few aides who understood his personality and style and could challenge the president to change his views.

    Ms. Hicks had been considering leaving for several months. She told colleagues that she had accomplished what she felt she could with a job that made her one of the most powerful people in Washington, and that there would never be a perfect moment to leave, according to White House aides.

    Her resignation came a day after she testified for eight hours before the House Intelligence Committee, telling the panel that in her job, she had occasionally been required to tell white lies but had never lied about anything connected to the investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

    Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicks’s departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  95. But ICE is not trying to do anything practical. Its just a government bureaucracy.

    My idea is a 100% surtax on all income earned without authorization to work.

    That would mean you owe all the unpaid taxes on what you earned AND you also owe 100% of what you earned on top of that.

    If coming here, and staying here, illegally becomes a money-losing proposition, people will stop doing it quickly.

    Dave (cb18f9)

  96. Double those fines in Asset Forfeiture Zones.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  97. The jury tampering was dropped from the impeachment case.

    https://constitutionallawreporter.com/2017/06/13/alcee-hastings-impeachment/

    In 1981, a federal grand jury indicted Judge Alcee L. Hastings and his lawyer friend William A. Borders. Hastings was charged with conspiracy and obstruction of justice for soliciting a $150,000 bribe in return for imposing lenient sentences on two felons who appeared in his court. Although his co-conspirator Borders was convicted, Hastings was acquitted and returned to the bench.

    After Judge Hastings’ acquittal, a special committee of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals conducted its own investigation. The committee concluded Judge Hastings did accept bribes and later committed perjury and tampered with evidence to secure his acquittal. The special judicial panel also recommended that Judge Hastings be impeached and removed from office.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  98. That is a 2-1 return on investment..

    Huzzaahhhhh.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  99. 95. Aside from all other questions, who’s going to pass such a law?

    If earning money is the reason, people should be allowed to rent out their Social security numbers on coindition that they are responsible for all the taxes earned using it. That would be awin-win proposition.

    This was discussed in Joe Haldeman’s “The Forever War” although in that novel ir was illegal.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  100. i like jet’s a lot it’s tasty and also it’s good value

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. I realize it’s foolish to be overly consistent, but c’mon..

    You guys are all over the Map of Liberty.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  102. who’s going to pass such a law?

    Please define your terms, Sammy.

    You must be specific especially to the Literalist haven.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  103. Aside from all other questions, who’s going to pass such a law?

    Not sure what you’re asking. If you mean there aren’t 60 votes for it in the senate, then of course you’re right. But there aren’t 60 votes in the senate for any immigration policy. *shrug*

    If you’re suggesting there’s some legal obstacle, I’m not sure what it would be.

    Dave (cb18f9)

  104. I love pistachios and pineapples.

    Both have terrible exteriors but such sweetness inside. But getting through that shell is one SOB.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  105. You’re welcome…

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  106. Goods Sporting Dicks.

    Stolen from JOM..

    Good one.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  107. See?

    There’s Leftists, left of Righties.

    There’s Righties left of Admiral Poindexter.

    There are middle dwellers who balance the stoopid on two sides. They get the Shaft they are deemed to deserve.

    There are Progressives who stall progress and conservatives out of fiscal control
    One thing they have in common is they dont read them no sh’t cuz buddies might call them troll.

    Oh Noes

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  108. Should all those anchor babies get DNA testing to make sure their papa is their papa? Sr Salgado spent a lot of time in jail. Was his daughter one of those premature births that are common in many communities?

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  109. yes yes they should all go on maury plus they should also get tested for tb and scabies i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  110. I sincerely hope collapsed lung was a lie to free up time to go to this: religion/church-holds-gun-blessing-ceremony-for-couples-with-ar-15-rifles

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be) — 2/28/2018 @ 12:40 pm

    Do they match you up with an AR 15 like the wedding ceremony?

    Someone pointed out that the protesters weren’t exactly scared of armed parishioners. Not enough to back up a mile. But the city did shut a nearby school down.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  111. If you are born on US soil, the rest doesn’t matter.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  112. Eventually y’all will cease being mystified as to how to categorize or simplify my ideology. Allow me to oversimplify…sic Semper tyrannis.

    Ben burn (abbb2c) — 2/28/2018 @ 12:43 pm

    We just wonder about your Fascist Alert threshold. Does your wife think she lives in a firehouse?

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  113. If you are born on US soil, the rest doesn’t matter.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 2/28/2018 @ 3:20 pm

    If they abolish chain migration.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  114. According to what I read, Salgado’s latest illegal presence is worth 209 years in prison.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  115. 20 not 209

    Kevin M (752a26)

  116. In this case in Oakland, they probably went after Salgado because he had been deported four times already and for no other reason. None of what they are doing is for the purpose of fighting crime or breaking up a gang – this is just a rationalization. That this has anything to do with crime is getting more untrue with time the more they scale up.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/28/2018 @ 1:19 pm

    Too dumb to run or dig a Saddam spider-hole.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  117. 20 not 209

    Kevin M (752a26) — 2/28/2018 @ 3:23 pm

    You had me at 209. At least su hija can say goodbye and visit.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  118. Does your wife think she lives in a firehouse?

    No. Like yourself she speaks loudly but carries a tiny stick.

    But keep mock blocking goals in your concrete galoshes.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  119. Proof is just C02 farts but I expect pin to know these facts.

    Ben burn (abbb2c) — 2/28/2018 @ 1:54 pm

    No duh. Who’s your Mother Sauer Kraut?

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  120. Kim Chee Muthafukah..

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  121. No. Like yourself she speaks loudly but carries a tiny stick.

    But keep mock blocking goals in your concrete galoshes.

    Ben burn (abbb2c) — 2/28/2018 @ 3:43 pm

    I’m thinking she wears a wig, sounds like you and you’re the only one who can hear her.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  122. In this case in Oakland, they probably went after Salgado because he had been deported four times already and for no other reason. None of what they are doing is for the purpose of fighting crime or breaking up a gang – this is just a rationalization. That this has anything to do with crime is getting more untrue with time the more they scale up.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/28/2018 @ 1:19 pm

    Are you effing kidding me? Rap sheet: Over the past 18 years he has accumulated criminal convictions in California that have resulted in more than 15 years of prison sentencings. His criminal convictions include assault with a deadly weapon (statutorily enhanced because of his gang member status), burglary, hit-and-run causing injury and evading a peace officer. (bolded by Patterico).

    This makes his illegal entry a serious felony, worth 20 years in federal prison plus any time left over from any parole.

    Or maybe you think that they give out 20 year sentences for spitting on the sidewalk?

    This is lame, Sammy.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  123. Being here after being deported ONCE is worth two years in prison. After 4 times, they might get upset.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  124. i like jet’s a lot it’s tasty and also it’s good value

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/28/2018 @ 2:06 pm

    Why is so much pizza spawned in Michigan?

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  125. maybe cause of you can get it delivered and it is many snow there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  126. Slick, compromised, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a18923633/jared-kushner-security-clearance/

    Takes Slick Willie to a new level.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  127. You must be specific especially to the Literalist haven.

    Ben burn (abbb2c) — 2/28/2018 @ 2:11 pm

    You should specifically be staked one chain below high tide. Littoraly.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  128. Beldar @72.
    I never expected anything else from the OSP. His support of the right to keep and bear arms is phonier than his hair. Fully in line with New York values: Guns are for people who can make $100,000 contributions to the NYPD and New York politicians.

    nk (dbc370)

  129. @106. Walmart just announced it will no longer sell guns, ammunition to people under the age of 21. And so it goes…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  130. DC

    Good idea, especially since I am of age. I just don’t know how military and voting sfes move with it.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  131. voting ages jive with it.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  132. This from an admittedly #NeverTrump commenter at Insty:

    The key take-aways:

    * Trump shut down the idea of expanding concealed carry, something House Republicans have been strongly pushing for. This is arguably the biggest issue for the NRA and and gun rights advocates right now.

    * He called for a “merger” of the Murphy-Cornyn and Manchin-Toomey gun bills: “I like a merger, because I think the merger works out better.”

    * Trump encouraged taking the guns of people who pose a threat to themselves and others: “I like taking the guns early…take the guns first, go through due process second.”

    * He told Sen. Feinstein to discuss an assault weapons ban with Manchin and Toomey, and that he wants their final bill to be “very strong, I’d rather have you come down on the strong side instead of the weak side.”

    * On bump stocks: He said Congress doesn’t need to worry about prohibiting them, because he is going to “write that out … by executive order.”

    Republican Sen. Pat Toomey told Trump his bill didn’t deal with raising the age limit from 18 to 21 to purchase certain weapons.

    * Trump responded: “You know why, because you’re afraid of the NRA.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  133. IL DUCE!

    https://youtu.be/OOv-Ncs7vQk

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  134. Separated at German clone lab?

    Lol.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  135. The schadenfreude! The schadenfreude!

    And why the filibuster might not be such a bad thing after all.

    Also
    #IMPEACH THE ORANGE-SKINNED NEW YORK PANSY!

    nk (dbc370)

  136. There seems to be a pattern, Trumps immigration surrender happened on a Wednesday only to be yanked back the next day by Miller/Cotton. What’s worse for this issue is that Miller literally slept through some hearings and who is going to yankbTrump aside like Cotton?

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)

  137. l love Mussolini

    https://youtu.be/ixIWovwR4iQ

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  138. Heh! Is he going to primary Republicans who don’t go along with the Democrat’s gun grabs?

    nk (dbc370)

  139. Narcos all police state oriented. It’s a cultural prerogative.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  140. No it’s called federal law, pledge burn:

    http://minx.cc:1080/?post=374080

    narciso (d1f714)

  141. President Trump does the best gun policies

    you’ll see

    warm happy guns all over America except for the crazy people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. See?

    State’s Rights don’t exist for fascists.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  143. hf must be living on the money putin pays trumpbots.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  144. Trump caving on guns is like a Dem politician OK with banning abortion. The base won’t stand for it.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  145. you’re not even putting you faith where you should

    put your faith in the man with the plan!

    put your faith in our president, President Donald Trump!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  146. Trump stills teh waters..

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  147. Olympia Beer was great until they moved from Tumwater Wa. to Texas.

    It’s the water

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  148. Ah, those were the days:

    “Nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
    – Donald Trump, musing about assassination of politicians who support gun control

    Dave (445e97)

  149. RE: the real reason Hope Hicks is leaving the WH.

    Her job was to toss pushy self entitled individuals and the media at the end of visiting hours.
    She was uniquely qualified because if in the course of doing her duty her hand happened to to touch for example the obnoxious Michelle Fields nobody is going to take the obligitory “she assaulted me” stories seriously.

    The reason why Hope is leaving? She is intensely shy, and the job wasn’t supposed to include personal gotcha interviews conducted by the lowest form of villain (D-rep) on CSPAN.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  150. Walmart just announced it will no longer sell guns, ammunition to people under the age of 21. And so it goes…

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/28/2018 @ 4:05 pm

    And so it goes with showing ID for spray paint and R rated movies.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  151. That’s probably true, plus just the carp she’s put up with in the last two monthes

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. Now on to the blacklist which has a fair representation of what’s going on:
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/28/schumer-will-vote-no-on-judicial-nominee-because-he-is-white/

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. It could be a trick to boost gun and ammo sales like what happened when Obama got elected and it looked like Hillary might be too. Are the Kushners heavily invested in gun and ammo companies I wonder?

    nk (dbc370)

  154. @ nk (#137): I didn’t quite follow, why exactly might the filibuster “not be such a bad thing after all”? To stop Trump from (ahem) colluding with Dems and squishy Republicans to pass gun control laws? Meh, no such nonsense will happen in the Senate, because it couldn’t get through the current House. Now, next Congress, if the House flips but not the Senate, that might, sadly, turn out to be true. (I’m in favor of the right to filibuster, I’m just against pretending that the Dems won’t nuke it the next time they have a Senate majority and control of the House & WH.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  155. Are the Kushners heavily invested in gun and ammo companies I wonder?

    that would be unethical so obviously the answer is no

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  156. Are the Kushners heavily invested in gun and ammo companies I wonder?

    Kalashnikov, probably.

    Dave (445e97)

  157. The question is, what happens to Mayor Schaaf if anyone who was sought in the ICE roundup hurts or kills someone? Legally, probably nothing. Does she enjoy sovereign immunity from lawsuits?

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  158. The reason Hope Hicks is leaving is because Trump has absolutely no loyalty to his staff anybody except maybe his kids. She knows that he will push her under the bus just like he has done with everybody else.

    nk (dbc370)

  159. Norinco too.

    nk (dbc370)

  160. It wasn’t a trick if ammo manufacturing were caught with their production lines inadequate. When gun-grabbing was rumorefld you couldn’t find anything except Sig Sauer .357 and dove shot.

    When available Federal 223 was 39.98 per hundred. Recently, overstock lowered to 32.99.

    Not very good inventory mgmt.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  161. Meanwhile in South Africa:

    White South African farmers will be removed from their land after a landslide vote in parliament.

    The country’s constitution is now likely to be amended to allow for the confiscation of white-owned land without compensation, following a motion brought by radical Marxist opposition leader Julius Malema.

    It passed by 241 votes for to 83 against after a vote on Tuesday, and the policy was a key factor in new president Cyril Ramaphosa’s platform after he took over from Jacob Zuma in February.

    Mr Malema has a long-standing commitment to land confiscation without compensation. In 2016 he told his supporters he was ‘not calling for the slaughter of white people – at least for now’.

    A 2017 South African government audit found white people owned 72 per cent of farmland.

    Rural affairs minister for the ruling African National Congress party said ‘The ANC unequivocally supports the principle of land expropriation without compensation’.

    Daily Mail

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  162. So, civil war in South Africa. Without quarter.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  163. Essentially, this is why Cheney among others had reservations

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-23273309

    narciso (d1f714)

  164. Who is Johannes Galt?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  165. The war is over. The Bolsheviks won. Now it’s the purge of the White Russians.

    nk (dbc370)

  166. The penguin is back. Happyfeet I had a genuine black history story for you that intersected with the life of papertiger, but then you left.

    Here. Camp Gilbert H. Johnson, in North Carolina, which yours truly went to truck driving school at, was originally, back when the country was ruled by racist democrats (Roosevelt), the segregatation boot camp for Marines (Montford Point MCRD).
    Now it’s the Combat Service Support School named for the late Sergeant Major Gilbert H. “Hashmark” Johnson, a Montford Point drill instructor, who served during World War II and the Korean War.

    They let anybody in there now. Even me.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  167. No heck were down to the social revolutionaries, why fanya Kaplan should have had better aim.

    narciso (d1f714)

  168. that’s a neat history i’m a do a drive down the atlantic someday so i put that in a folder for later

    i love north carolina but it’s getting crowded

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  169. That’s not really true. They have a guard house and a gate. They won’t let you in. Even if you say papertiger sent you.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  170. I mean you’d probably have to sign up for the history tour. They’d spare you a corporal to show you the sights. Maybe.

    Or you could just enlist. That’s the way I did it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  171. If there is an action to be taken that flaunts the law and puts the security of American citizens at risk, one can depend on a leftwing Dimocrat to take that action.

    Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3)

  172. oh.

    way to sell it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  173. Meanwhile in South Africa:
    […]
    ‘This motion is based on a distorted image of the past,’ Ernst Roets said.

    ‘The term “expropriation without compensation” is a form of semantic fraud. It is nothing more than racist theft.’

    “Racist theft” is a pretty good description of the minority rule policies that led to the current distribution of land, too, but it’s depressing that the black majority has decided to follow an equally self-destructive and cruel path.

    I hope they’ll find some way forward that avoids a bloodbath.

    Dave (445e97)

  174. “That’s probably true, plus just the carp she’s put up with in the last two months”

    narciso (d1f714) — 2/28/2018 @ 4:50 pm

    I thought Bannon left several months ago.

    Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3)

  175. In Zimbabwe they did worse in the matabele, this where Marxism leads you, and if I recall correctly personal self defense isn’t much of an option

    narciso (d1f714)

  176. Been too busy all day to monitor teh mayhem. A brief perusal tells me the same characters are still sexually abusing poultry.

    Sad.

    Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3)

  177. Isn’t the #me too for poultry, yes consomol burn would gladly have us liquidated, the look at the purge as a how to guide

    narciso (d1f714)


  178. State’s Rights don’t exist for fascists.
    Ben burn (abbb2c) — 2/28/2018 @ 4:35 pm


    States rights don’t exist for anybody, comrade Ben!. States don’t have rights, they have powers.

    I’m still at Abington. Doing fair. Typing w/one hand. Tubes all over, needles sticking out all over. They inflated the left lung and then bingo! last night it became infected and now I’m on a bipap machine. May be shipped to Penn tomorrow. This blows.

    Rev.Hoagie (30e82d)

  179. It wasn’t my idea you to take a special trip. I can just see you at the gate there. Marine with an M16 telling you no (Marines are really good at saying no. Probably the best.)

    Then you’d be out there cussing me, by the side of the road.

    Now actually. As I think about it there’s a Civil War era battle field right outside the gate for Camp Johnson, with a cemetary and ghosts. They have stone markers saying stuff like “6 Confederates”.

    Is is sort of interesting.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  180. Keep you in my thoughts and prayers, Hoagie. Hang in there!

    Beenburned… shinebox entrepreneur, spiritualist, healer of chickens…

    Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3)

  181. Prayers for you hoagie.

    narciso (d1f714)

  182. Ah Hoagie. Pulling for you, man. Gonna eat a sandwich in your honor.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  183. well it’s on the seaboard so i might as well check it out, it being historical and all

    but sometimes eating at a restaurant close by is just as good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  184. Mr. Reverend you gonna be good just lay back and get some sleep

    you’ll feel a lot better in the morning

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  185. I’m sorry to hear about your troubles, Hoagie. Stay tough and get well soon.

    nk (dbc370)

  186. Hoagie, perhaps a silver lining: they’ll move you up on the transplant list. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

    Meanwhile, this bit

    Over the past 18 years he has accumulated criminal convictions in California that have resulted in more than 15 years of prison sentencings. His criminal convictions include assault with a deadly weapon (statutorily enhanced because of his gang member status), burglary, hit-and-run causing injury and evading a peace officer.

    Would he have actually served all that time? And been out of prison less than three years total.

    Kishnevi (2a9a02)

  187. Hoagie- there’s an aura of good luck around you and you are in good hands. Will pass along blessings direct for you– no middle man. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  188. Would he have actually served all that time?

    Patrick can no doubt give you real statistics, but in general I don’t think anybody serves their whole sentence. Probably more like 1/2 – 2/3, and some sentences might be concurrent too.

    Dave (445e97)

  189. Hope you’ll feel better Hoagie!

    If you’re posting from a hospital bed, you’re a true fanatic (in a good way!).

    Dave (445e97)

  190. Hang tough, Rev. Get some sleep and post here in the morning.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  191. Hang in there Hoagie!!

    harkin (f22a59)

  192. Anybody else out there in the Sierras?

    Big a$$ storm about to hit but boy do we need the snow.

    harkin (f22a59)

  193. Re. Trumps rhetoric on guns this week, it’s always best to take what he says with a grain of salt and wait for what he does. Art of the deal and all that.

    I really don’t have a problem with strengthening the background check procedure, that is, making it work as advertised which it seems it doesn’t always.

    As far as the comment about taking the guns first and then going through the process, it’s been my experience that’s the way it usually works when you get in front of a judge, they tell you you can’t have guns in your house until the case has been resolved. That’s a nothing burger I think.

    Having said all that, as a Trump supporter second only to happyfeet around here, if Trump starts banning weapons, I’m done with him.

    And I don’t even have one of the guns likely on the list.

    TheBas (3bcea0)

  194. @153. Walmartyrs, PP.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  195. 195, that would be a great Luther episode.

    REV, even though I range from 95 to 98 % in opposition to your content, I wish you an immediate recovery and positive steps toward a longer term improvement.

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)

  196. Prior to 9/11, white South Africans, Boers more so than majority British and others, were the only immigrants I was opposed to entering the U.S. European nations may not have that luxury, I could see several making overtures and expediting the entry process.

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)

  197. Admittedly they chose poorly, then again Rhodesians might have the west would honor muzorewas election, hope spring eternal.

    narciso (d1f714)

  198. I hope they’ll find some way forward that avoids a bloodbath.

    Dave, I don’t disagree about that. I’d suggest a gradual process, such as a progressive land tax, applied to all land-holders. The tax is a modest property tax for most, but those who hold a lot of land need to sell it off or pay a steep tax. Maybe even steeper if the holding is contiguous. This tax can be paid in land, which the state then allocates as it will.

    As we all know, “taxation” isn’t “expropriation without compensation.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  199. Looks whose tail is wagging the dog, and tell me that will happen, ramaphosa was supposed to be the sensible one. Which he sort of is, in the big scheme of things

    narciso (d1f714)

  200. However, I think the ANC leadership WANTS the whites to rise up so they can smash them, then intern them until they agree to emmigrate empty-handed.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  201. Would he have actually served all that time? And been out of prison less than three years total.

    Unknown, but any unserved time is now due and payable.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  202. Hoagie–

    I think everyone here is wishing you the best.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  203. Hoagie reminded me of what’s real (Get well, Hoagie, I mean it!), but Attack Of The Killer Donuts is by subscription only on my cable package, so I’ll put in my two cents.

    The white South Africans f’ked up after WWII when they refused to incorporate black South Africans into the prosperous middle class giving them an equal stake in the status quo. Middle class! That’s the bulwark against Revolution and Communism. Now, it’s too late. Maybe in two or three generations the South Africa can advance to a modern Russian-style kleptocracy. Until then, it will be a small oligarchy in charge of a savage mob. Bad times for everybody.

    nk (dbc370)

  204. The queue to immigrate is getting longer:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5439727/Indonesian-Christians-whipped-sharia-banned-childs-play.html

    But the willingness to accept is getting shorter

    narciso (d1f714)

  205. Hang in there, Rev. Hoagie. There are a bunch of people here rooting for you.

    JVW (42615e)

  206. South Africa is what happens when the sleaziest riff-raf of Holland and the dumbest soccer hooligans of England get together and decide to colonize African natives, and then they invite in a whole bunch of ugly Germans to come along for the fun. But the way things are shaping up, it sounds like it’s on the way to being the next Zimbabwe.

    JVW (42615e)

  207. Then again Angola or Namibia where flakes hails from didn’t turn out that great either, yes I read about the hereros, the Congo anyone

    narciso (d1f714)

  208. Algeria turned out relatively respectable except their Syrian war prelude. Where their soviet trained security services did the sort of mop up they caution assay against

    narciso (d1f714)

  209. Of course had the former picked moises tsombe it might have turned out better.

    narciso (d1f714)

  210. Rev.,

    So sorry to hear you’re struggling with your health. Prayers to you, your family, your doctors and nurses, and all the ancillary staff involved in your care. Whatever the consensus “best outcome to hope for” is, I hope you amaze everyone with how far you surpass it.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  211. Echoing Stashie, et alia, Hoagie. Wishing you the best, and keeping you in my prayers.

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  212. May be shipped to Penn tomorrow. This blows.

    Rev.Hoagie (30e82d) — 2/28/2018 @ 6:07 pm

    We have the technology to build you better, stronger than ever before.

    Take care.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  213. It wasn’t my idea you to take a special trip. I can just see you at the gate there. Marine with an M16 telling you no (Marines are really good at saying no. Probably the best.)

    Then you’d be out there cussing me, by the side of the road.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 2/28/2018 @ 6:08 pm

    So they haven’t gone Army with private security contractors? Also the ANG base here.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  214. Beenburned… shinebox entrepreneur, spiritualist, healer of chickens…

    Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3) — 2/28/2018 @ 6:11 pm

    He does lay hands on as many of them as he can.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  215. Anybody else out there in the Sierras?

    Big a$$ storm about to hit but boy do we need the snow.

    harkin (f22a59) — 2/28/2018 @ 6:58 pm

    But avalanches…you don’t need no stinking avalanches!

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  216. Walmartyrs, PP.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/28/2018 @ 7:00 pm

    Some folks think Wal Mart and Dick’s are virtue signaling while cutting items that they don’t sell very much of anyway. And they don’t get any flack for all the people who buy road sodas and drive into incoming traffic.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  217. Prior to 9/11, white South Africans, Boers more so than majority British and others, were the only immigrants I was opposed to entering the U.S. European nations may not have that luxury, I could see several making overtures and expediting the entry process.

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be) — 2/28/2018 @ 7:28 pm

    I think this is an interesting conversation between Simon Roche and Stephan Molyneux. I believe he ascribes Aparthied to the British in SA, not the Boers. Free Domain Radio

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  218. You know, some white people actually paid cash money for land back in the day. It wasn’t all rape and pillage and seizure.

    An aside from Simon Roche, the British were pioneers of the concentration camp.

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  219. While many people may not be aware of this fact, Durban has the highest concentration of Indians outside of India. We delve into the history that led to this and explain how this came to be.
    Indians from north and south India first began arriving in the Port of Natal from India in 1860. Unlike East Africa where almost none of the emigrants took to agriculture, in South Africa indentured labour was primarily provided for agriculture and as servants, cooks, watchmen and builders at the Natal-Transvaal railways. There were two waves of Indian emigration to South Africa; the first being indentured labour brought by the British to work in the sugar cane fields of Natal and the second was in the form of paid passengers, who were mainly Gujarati Muslim and Hindu businessmen travelling to Africa.
    Indentured labour, a modern form of slavery tied a worker to an employer by contract (usually for five years) in return for wages and the cost of passage. After 1917 the majority of the labourers stayed back and became land owners on Durban’s east coast and diversified into other fields. By the 1940s, the next generation became the backbone of the emerging industrial working class in KwaZulu-Natal.

    Reparations: hook a brother up.

    The Culture Trip

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  220. Att happyfeet

    Often served with grated carrot, chilli and onion salad, the bunny chow is a meal that certainly has its own distinctive look. And it also demands to be eaten in a particular way. It’s expected to be eaten with the hands, with the idea being to start from the ‘virgin’ scooped-out bread at the top and to end at the gravy-soaked bottom.

    But how did the bunny chow come to be? Well, one thing that’s known for sure is that it was created during apartheid for the indentured Indian labourers, who were brought to work in Natal’s sugarcane fields. The word ‘bunny’ comes from ‘bania’, the caste of the Indian businessmen who sold the curry, while ‘chow’ is, of course, slang for ‘food’.

    One story goes that because the law during apartheid forbade black people from entering restaurants and cafes, they took to ordering take-out meals from the sides or backdoors of restaurants.

    The most popular dish at the times was roti and beans. But the roti (a thin wheat naan) fell apart, so creative proprietors began using loaves of bread as take-out containers, scooping them out and filling them with the bean curry. The bread, while not as ideal as roti, became an accepted accompaniment to eat the curry with.

    Bunny Chow

    Pinandpuller (47dd86)

  221. Re: South Africa

    If you read the linked article, the Malema guy using all the wild rhetoric about extermination is not part of the government and was thrown out of the ANC for “hate speech” (against whites) before he started his own fringe party, which only got 6% of the vote in the last elections. So there is an element of theater involved here – the guy is trying to make himself look more important and powerful than he really is by saying outrageous things and attracting media coverage (hmmm, sounds eerily familiar).

    Of course, the ANC are not exactly Eisenhower Republicans, and expropriation is their policy as well, but as the governing party, one might hope they have some interest in avoiding total chaos and civil war. Although not exactly Brezhnev-era communists, either, like many communist-influenced parties, the ANC puts a high premium on party discipline and unity; they are unlikely to let this outcast loose cannon call the shots for them.

    Dave (445e97)

  222. 230, Mahatma Gandhi was a byproduct of one of those migrations, but now his statuary in Africa has the same ill repute as those of Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson here, because he took offense at the East Indian peoples being dumped in the same bucket of coloreds as black Africans by the SA government.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  223. looks like i can get that not far from me

    that’s very cool thank you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  224. Thanks for your support guys. (Persons as Trudeau would say). I’m not gonna be commenting much. Just reading you a lot.

    Rev.Hoagie (30e82d)

  225. Yes the Brits came up with the concentration camp, the Spanish did in Cuba, fifels father angel (I’m not making this up) was one of weylers men, smuts was ghandhis pursuer for 20 years, his slate was defeated by malan in 48.

    narciso (d1f714)

  226. Past is prologue

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/02/relax-trump-was-being-trump-on-gun-control/

    Jyche Dave somehow doesn’t get it

    narciso (d1f714)

  227. Prayers up for Hoagie.

    phunctor (b2de2c)

  228. @129 “You should specifically be staked one chain below high tide. Littoraly.”

    Well, that depends on the grade and his height. Remember, we’d like him to survive several tides.

    Grade: C-.
    Height: Too short for this ride.

    The rest is simple trigonometry.

    phunctor (bf276f)

  229. People might confuse him for Dan Abrams and let him slide. Yes, LivePD dude was on MSNBC, and was somewhat of the token neo-conservative (an earlier version of Tucker Carlson took his time slot when Abrams got kicked into station management).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  230. Hoagie, hang in there, this too will pass. You hold the distinction of having made the best comment ever, I’ll never forget it. Besides, you still owe me a shot of Knob Creek.

    ropelight (072508)

  231. Hoagie: Is there subject matter you prefer? Research is my thing you know.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  232. Yes, nk. What’s needed is White Russian loyalty to the Tsar.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  233. Vis-a-vis events in South Africa… I just bought some shares in teh Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company.

    Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3)

  234. Another day of beenburned and pollo loco…

    Colonel Haiku (bd4dc3)

  235. Ironically, Trump doesn’t loathe making it about DJT.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/1/17056562/trump-corruption-midterms

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  236. Is it like Nixon going to China? Progressives have hope..

    In an exchange with Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.), Trump seemed to not know what was contained in the bill Toomey proposed with Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) after the 2012 tragedy at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. Trump asked whether the bill, which was focused on background checks, would have raised the age limit for buying assault weapons.

    When Toomey said it did not, Trump shot back: “You know why? Because you’re afraid of the NRA.”

    The rejoinder was especially odd, given that Toomey was one of few Republicans who supported his background checks bill, which failed, over the objections of the NRA. It also happens to confirm the argument Democrats regularly make against Republicans. Trump would later go on to say some of the members in the meeting were “petrified” of the NRA.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  237. even when they’re shirts your not safe

    https://twitter.com/AcrossTheBay/status/969223361103622145

    narciso (d1f714)

  238. it’s just a coincidence like with scalise and rand paul

    https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/969254099488296960

    narciso (d1f714)

  239. who is the potted plant:

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=374073

    narciso (d1f714)

  240. Mr. papertiger’s comment at #20 needs to be addressed i think

    i’m personally as an american very perplexed by this story i think the cbs propaganda sluts maybe did some serious fake news here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  241. @233 happyfeet

    I’d like to take curry to O’Charley’s and see if they would sub their spinach and artichoke bread bowl.

    Pinandpuller (0e0436)

  242. @238 phunctor

    I’m never going to make 33rd degree am I?

    Pinandpuller (0e0436)

  243. either way is too many carbs but i’m still gonna go

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  244. How about two chainz around his neck and stake him out off Crenshaw?

    Pinandpuller (0e0436)

  245. So, twisted violent out-of-control well-known repeat offender whacko shoots up his high school kills 17 kids while cops wait around outside – and the popular response is to restrict the rights of millions of law abiding citizens who had absolutely nothing to do with the murderous bloodthirsty teenage monster, the derelict cops, Parkland HS, or the County Sheriff’s office.

    It’s ridiculous on it’s face. Blaming guns, gun manufacturers, or gun owners for leftist hysteria is tantamount to admission that Satan and his acholites are pulling the strings in Broward County.

    ropelight (072508)

  246. Stacey Dash and Antonio Sabato Jr are both running for congress.

    Leave Stacey alone, Ben! Leave her alone!

    Pinandpuller (0e0436)

  247. 260, does that make Trump the first Italian president, not a lot of RINO in that demographic slice…Baio, Pirro, Scaramucci, Arpaio, Sabato Jr., Saleena Zito is more bard of the rust belt, but perhaps the same thing at play.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  248. When Toomey said it did not, Trump shot back: “You know why? Because you’re afraid of the NRA.”

    He sure knows how to woo people.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  249. It’s ridiculous on its face.

    Yes. It is.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  250. does that make Trump the first Italian president, not a lot of RINO in that demographic slice…Baio, Pirro, Scaramucci, Arpaio, Sabato Jr., Saleena Zito is more bard of the rust belt, but perhaps the same thing at play.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 3/1/2018 @ 10:26 am

    Wow, he seems about as Italian to me as Lorenzo Lamas.

    Speaking of Clueless have you seen a Britney Murphy movie called Ramen Girl? It’s pretty good.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  251. Let’s look at the headline again:

    Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf Tried to Protect Illegal Immigrants Like This from ICE

    Actually, she was trying to protect illegal immigrants mostly NOT like that one.

    Armando Nunez Salgado was probably anything but a typical target of that action, and to try to pretend that he is is basically a lie. It seems like the media bought into this, maybe because he was the only arrestee ICE publicized.

    But he was actually probably not the worst example (in terms of criminal record) they could have cited. Just the worst one (at least technically by criminal record) of the ones they arrested They don’t want to admit that anyone you coukld argue was dangeorus got away, or that many get away, or aren’t there where they are looking..

    Usually when they do a big operation like this – and they do big operations like this for publicity somewhat like the IRS used to do – they get 30% of their targets (according to an anonymous source cited by the New York Times, who was described as an “official briefed on the plans for the operation at the Department of Homeland Security… who was not authorized to discuss the operation.”

    She got it down to 20%.

    ICE claimed this warning put the lives of the agents in danger. Really? Did they ever have a shootout? Especially with a warning, where all someone needs to do is run away – there won’t be an all points bulletin put out on anyone.

    Since Trump came in they have been picking up more incidental cases – people they weren’t targeting.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/us/oakland-mayor-ice-warning.html

    While the Obama administration focused arrest efforts on undocumented immigrants who had committed crimes in the United States, Mr. Trump has made clear that anyone in the country without permission can be arrested. Last year, immigration arrests nationwide rose by more than a third from the previous year, in large part because officers have more freedom to detain unauthorized immigrants with no criminal record.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  252. C’mon, Pin, W was neither Jewish or Mexican, nor was Bill Clinton black, but they got that “first ____ president” milestone stuck to them for whatever reasons.

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)


  253. Just the worst one (at least technically by criminal record) of the ones they arrested They don’t want to admit that anyone you coukld argue was dangeorus got away

    , or that many get away, or aren’t there where they are looking..
    And what the lefts doesn’t want to admit is that few are “dangerous” until they shoot your daughter on a pier, or rape you ten year old neighbor. But then it’s too late to “round them up”.

    Rev.Hoagie (30e82d)

  254. 259. ropelight (072508) — 3/1/2018 @ 10:11 am

    So, twisted violent out-of-control well-known repeat offender whacko shoots up his high school kills 17 kids

    he was causing trouble since the age of 2, when he threw a 4-month old baby into a swimming pool.

    They maybe shouldn’t have talked him out of committing suicide, (in a way that didn’t harm other people.)

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/27/alleged-school-shooters-mom-paid-50k-to-adopt-him-from-drug-addict

    It’s ridiculous on it’s face. Blaming guns, gun manufacturers, or gun owners for leftist hysteria is tantamount to admission that Satan and his acholites are pulling the strings in Broward County.

    ??? You mean if someone says this, that amounts to saying that Satan (in the form of the NRA) is responsible??

    There are lots of different ways this could have bene avoided.

    And we should give credit to what worked.

    1. Nikolas Cruz contemplated doing this <i? for months or years, yet he only did it after a long time. Deterrence works. But maybe only up to a point. If someone is willing to give up normal life, it may not, if someone has strong emotions.

    2. He could have killed more, but part of his plan was to fire into glass and set up maybe a sniper’s nest on the 3rd floor. It turned out to be hurricane proof glass which was also bulletproof or bullet resistant. Then he had trouble replacing his magazine and/or maybe it jammed and he dropped his weapons and fled. (he didn’t really want to commit suicide)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  255. 269. Rev.Hoagie (30e82d) — 3/1/2018 @ 12:05 pm

    And what the lefts doesn’t want to admit is that few are “dangerous” until they shoot your daughter on a pier, or rape you ten year old neighbor. But then it’s too late to “round them up”.

    Being an illegal immigrant is not a very strong precondition for dangerousness.

    And the man who shot someone oin apier wasn’t particualrly dangerous. He was just a little stupid.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  256. Hong Kong had somewhat good news the other day. The Chinese Communist system is now highly unliukely to last until 2047, although a bit more likely to last until 2035.

    It is also more dangerous in the short run, because regimes controlled by one man are inherently more dangerous.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  257. 248. Trump is caught between his political instincts (which are pretty good maybe) as well anything good in his nature – he’s caught between that and his campaign promises and associations.

    What he did to get elected is causing him political problems, and he knows it.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  258. 231. Dave (445e97) — 2/28/2018 @ 11:59 pm

    Of course, the ANC are not exactly Eisenhower Republicans,

    they are not even the Congress Party of India, circa 1960.

    They made a deal with the white minority government and they are sticking to that, but that if course is limited only to problems they anticipated. Crime is extremely bad in many places. There ius much mismanagement. The ANC let AIDS get out of control.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  259. @268 urbanleftbehind

    I was just referring to Sabato himself. I take your point though.

    Just waiting on some Lamb Biryami and Garlic Naan.

    Pinandpuller (4020a0)

  260. 117. Pinandpuller (47dd86) — 2/28/2018 @ 3:34 pm

    Too dumb to run or dig a Saddam spider-hole.

    Too dumb or illitarate or uneducated to pay attention to the nayor’s warning. He wouldn’t have to run away very far or even stay away. Since they won’t come back until the next major operation. He might move. Which is not completelyt safe if there is someoine else they want listed at the new address. If he has to appear in xourt he could be in trouble.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  261. Meanwhile……..

    The Los Angeles Times still with their heads in the sand about what happens when you reward homelessness and illegal immigration:

    How can a place with 58,000 homeless people continue to function?

    The people in the comments get it – too bad the politicos and their media enablers don’t.

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-homelessness-impact-on-others-20180301-htmlstory.html

    harkin (f22a59)

  262. No, Sammy, that’s not what I mean.

    Anyone who wants to punnish law abiding gun owners or manufacturers for the heinous crimes of this or any other mass murdering sicko is doing the devil’s work.

    Is that sufficiently unambiguous?

    ropelight (072508)

  263. The Los Angeles Times still with their heads in the sand about what happens when you reward homelessness and illegal immigration:

    How can a place with 58,000 homeless people continue to function?

    The people in the comments get it – too bad the politicos and their media enablers don’t.

    harkin (f22a59) — 3/1/2018 @ 12:24 pm

    Standing in a group that would be the largest city in Wyoming but only fill about half of Neyland Stadium.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  264. He might move. Which is not completelyt safe if there is someoine else they want listed at the new address. If he has to appear in xourt he could be in trouble.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/1/2018 @ 12:22 pm

    I don’t think he can bail out but it’s likely he’s going to make another run for the border.

    Athens Tango Project Malena

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  265. Being an illegal immigrant is not a very strong precondition for dangerousness.

    And the man who shot someone oin apier wasn’t particualrly dangerous. He was just a little stupid.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 3/1/2018 @ 12:08 pm

    Could he be considered both stupid and intellectually curious like the opening of 2001?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  266. I wonder what that Russian kid would have done if the ill advised adoptive mother from TN hadn’t shipped him back to Russia one way? Or Elian Gonzalas?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  267. crimethink can be punishable by death:

    https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/969271369933475841

    narciso (d1f714)

  268. do I even have to come up with a pithy comeback:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/google-youtube-southern-poverty-law-center-censorship/

    narciso (d1f714)

  269. We considered adopting for a while until we heard how things turned out for Arlene Pralle.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  270. So will steel tariffs help or hurt AR 15 production?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  271. Hey Hoagie. A videolog from Kevin Smith Greetings from Glendale Adventist Hospital [YouTube]

    He’s had a heart attack right around the same time you had your lung deflation.

    Kevin Smith is the Silent Bob from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. (kind of a D list celebrity)

    No catch phrase, but he sure found his voice. Scared, bejesus, new zest for life, in that order.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  272. Is there anything stopping Wal Mart from selling alcohol to people under the age of 25, just based on store or company policy?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  273. Walmart’s alcohol selling is very different state to state already

    like in Iowa they have to do a store in a store thing

    the first time i saw hard liquor just on the regular shelves at Walmart i was really happy

    i can’t remember where i was

    but it felt like America and i was really happy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  274. they could work on their selection though

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  275. they’re good for the basics but you can’t go to walmart with a cocktail recipe and expect to have any real luck

    it’s not the way it should be but it’s the way that it is

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  276. alcoa picked up some volume today but not much ultimately happened to share price

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  277. Rite-Aid demands liquor ID if you’re on oxygen and walker. It’s all about Torts and expense marketing.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  278. the first time i saw hard liquor just on the regular shelves at Walmart i was really happy

    i can’t remember where i was

    but it felt like America and i was really happy

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 3/1/2018 @ 2:24 pm

    For me it was Missouri. But no, what I’m saying is how can a company decide to stop selling a legal product to some people who are legally able to buy it but not others? ID’s beside the point because you aren’t going to buy wine, guns or cigarettes without it in almost all cases.

    If you sell wedding cakes you have to sell them to everybody. If you sell guns you should have to sell them to everyone who legally fits the criteria. Nobody is making you install a flash suppressor on an AR against your moral objections.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  279. What do you make of a guy named Ahmed who has dogs, cats and a wife with arm tattoos? I say Egyptian most likely.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  280. Kevin Smith is the Silent Bob from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. (kind of a D list celebrity)

    No catch phrase, but he sure found his voice. Scared, bejesus, new zest for life, in that order.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 3/1/2018 @ 2:18 pm

    Writer, director, podcaster, TV star and movie star if you consider Bruce Willis movies star vehicles.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  281. Happyfeet, the Gurnee, il Jewel and Wal Mart have a separate stand alone cashier station for their liquor section. It may no longer be a Village requirement because the Marianos doesn’t have it, and Target who recently added liquor doesn’t have the liquor-situated checkout neither.

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)

  282. the laws here can be weird i’ve heard people say about places where you can pretty easily get liquor before the legal selling time as long as you have cash

    that seems unethical to me but i do not abjure it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  283. OMFG!

    What Tom Maguire thinks, according to his tweet, is that Trump conflated hearing to end or extend order with due process. So when Trump said take the guns first, go through due process second, Maguire’s tweet said that Trump didn’t mean due process, that he was confusing due process with the hearing to end or extend the order in the established procedure. So let me try to explain this. It’s tough to follow this when it’s words in a certain order and you can’t see them.

    But that’s why I’m here, as a paramount communicator. The procedure now for getting a gun violence restraining order, if that’s what you want to do, you have to go to court and get an order, like the FBI went to the FISA court to spy on Trump. They had the dossier. You gotta go to court and get permission. You have to get a court order, a restraining order against a perp, and then you go get the gun. You go confiscate the gun. Then after you do that, there is a hearing in court to extend or end the court order allowing confiscation.

    What Mr. Maguire believes is when Trump said, “Let’s take the guns first and go through due process second,” what he meant was that Trump was just conflating this hearing with due process, that Trump said, “Let’s go grab the gun and then go to court and argue it out.” It’s… (sigh) Well, it’s an attempt to explain it. But it relies on the belief that Trump doesn’t know the difference between a hearing and a court order and due process. What the critics are trying to say here is, “Trump, what are you…? Trump doesn’t care! Trump is an autocrat. Trump is a dictator.

    I’ve heard some pretzel logic but never pretzels with choco-nutty frosting!

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  284. If you sell wedding cakes you have to sell them to everybody. If you sell guns you should have to sell them to everyone who legally fits the criteria.

    i agree with your logics 100%

    walmart is doing discriminate on people, and it’s wrong

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  285. Seriously, Trump Pretzelteers have a lock in ADHD meds, especially Adderol the Hallucinatory market leader.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  286. Worst place to live – by consensus.

    Most traffic congested place in the world.

    Next to last in voter participation. Don’t believe me. MSN, which doesn’t give a flying rat [edit] what any of us think, (Deleted comment section entirely 4 months ago), is rubbing our noses in it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/california-ranks-last-in-quality-of-life-in-new-report/ar-BBJKVwm?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    papertiger (c8116c)

  287. Maguire has been certifiable since AUMF.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  288. Kevin Smith is the Silent Bob from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. (kind of a D list celebrity)

    No catch phrase, but he sure found his voice. Scared, bejesus, new zest for life, in that order.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 3/1/2018 @ 2:18 pm

    Writer, director, podcaster, TV star and movie star if you consider Bruce Willis movies star vehicles.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 3/1/2018 @ 3:05 pm

    Alright. (Kind of a C list celebrity. C – C minus range)

    papertiger (c8116c)

  289. It’s the state where the entrepreneurial spirit gets treated by exorcists.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  290. “”””” where large corporations come to be turned into mid sized companys (with ambition hobbled by questionable management choices).

    papertiger (c8116c)

  291. The beatings will continue yadda yadda

    narciso (d1f714)

  292. …. 44th in community engagement and 38th in social support.

    Which goes to show there is room for Google to do more digging.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  293. …. where newspapers get paid by truths hidden rather than copies sold.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  294. The procedure now for getting a gun violence restraining order, if that’s what you want to do, you have to go to court and get an order, like the FBI went to the FISA court to spy on Trump. They had the dossier. You gotta go to court and get permission. You have to get a court order, a restraining order against a perp, and then you go get the gun. You go confiscate the gun. Then after you do that, there is a hearing in court to extend or end the court order allowing confiscation.

    Mistaking “an excoration by Democratic media shills, paid for on a lie by lie basis” for “a hearing in court”?

    Shame on Donald and Tom. They should be better able to read the terrain.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  295. @234. Comes the dawn… everybody’s with you, Hoagie– take it a day at a time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  296. @305

    “Rounding out the rest of bottom five in quality of life were Texas, Illinois, Indiana and New Jersey. ”

    @309

    California was rated 4 in economy.

    Here’s the full article https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

    Davethulhu (99cc74)

  297. @289. The week we moved to California we had five days of sunshine, two still memorable days of Pennsylvania-style thunderstorms and attended a doubleheader where the Beach Boys played a free concert between games. Turned to my brother and said, if this is California, no wonder you moved here– the quality of life seems grand. That was 25 years ago and it’s been decidedly down hill ever since.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  298. if the last time you had fair to good traffic was on a Day Without Immigrants 2017 (the effect of which wasn’t reported in the newspaper) we might be able to put a finger on the problem.

    What this state needs is an enema.” [YouTube] – Jack Nicholson as the Joker in Batman 1989 directed by Tim Burton.

    If I were Trump I’d send out weekly notices of impending immigration roundups to the mayor’s offices in sanctuary states.

    Keep em on the move.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  299. I’m not sure of your definition of quality but I was born & reared with brief absence in NY, NJ and Nebraska for 8 miserable years and not leaving the Golden State in the foreseeable future. I love mass exodus for whatever reason.

    Ben burn (abbb2c)

  300. @316. “Rounding out the rest of bottom five in quality of life were Texas, Illinois, Indiana and New Jersey. ”

    Texas is no surprise. But Indiana is an excuse to move any place the compass swings. Wretched winters, endless cornfields and anything above street level has a basketball backboard and hoop attached to it (for the benefit of Cruz supporters, that’s what he calls a ‘basketball ring.’) NJ, OTOH, doesn’t deserve the wrap. Revolutionary War country out around Bedminster and Morristown is quite picturesque w/a quality of life even Trump likes. Northeast Jersey does suck; so does Camden, but south of Perth Amboy, South Jersey is truly beautiful, w/better corn than Indiana, tasty Jersey tomatoes and east of the Pinelands, one of the most beautiful coastlines in America with stellar beaches. Every 20 years or so there’s a citizen’s movement to split Jersey into North and South, but as it’s one of the original 13, it never gets much traction.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  301. @319. Forked River is tolerable, Ben. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  302. Seeing as Indiana is next to Illinois, it maybe the toxic spillover affect

    narciso (d1f714)

  303. I’m looking forward to Puerto Rico becoming the 51st state.

    It’ll knock California off the schnide.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  304. @322. You can be 15 miles outside of Indianapolis, beyond the interstate loop, on a back road behind a tractor hauling hay and never know the city was close by w/o the radio on.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  305. california thinks it can act like a pouty 5 year old and then all of a sudden everyone will decide they wanna elect skanky cameltoe

    and that’s not how it works

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  306. The weather is crap in the northern half of IN and the flat terrain along i65 and the Toll Road (i-80/i-90) can put one to sleep pretty quick. Indiana is its own flaborof effedup, not saying Illinois isn’t, but most of Illinois effect is limited to South side refugees in the region up through South Bemd.

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)

  307. @326. That about covers it. NW Ohio sucks, too. Same flat terrain, miserable winters– but fewer basketball hoops. Back in the day late at night, before the days of the web, we’d tune in distant radio stations from NYC for news and rock on CKLW out of Windsor-Detroit.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  308. Minnesota and Wisconsin are in the top five, Como?

    narciso (d1f714)

  309. Meanwhile in Louisiana:


    The mother of a child killed in a car crash allegedly caused by a reckless off-duty police officer was arrested for negligent homicide.

    On the night of October 12, 2017, Brittany Stephens lost her child forever after a Chevrolet Corvette driven by Baton Rouge Police Department Officer Christopher Manuel crashed into a Nissan Xterra being driven by Breea Gross.

    Inside that Xterra were four adults and four children–including Stephens’ one-year-old baby girl, Seyaira Stephens.

    Manuel was off-duty at the time and driving 94 mph. Gross was turning left on a green light when the crash occurred. Manuel’s Corvette knocked Gross’s SUV over upon impact. According to a probable cause report cited by local news station WAFB, the speed limit on that stretch of highway is 50 mph.

    On February 16, Manuel was arrested and charged with one count each of negligent homicide and speeding. He posted $15,000 bail on the day of his arrest. Since the incident, Manuel has been on paid administrative leave.

    On Tuesday, Stephens, still grieving the loss of child, was arrested by Baton Rouge police and charged with one count each of negligent homicide and a seatbelt violation.

    According to Baton Rouge Police spokesperson Sgt. L’Jean McKneely, Stephens was arrested because she “was the person responsible for the buckling of the car seat.” McKneely also noted that the three other adults in the car at the time it was struck were also issued traffic citations, according to The Advocate.

    Did I Mention She’s Black?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  310. anything above street level has a basketball backboard and hoop attached to it

    Ask Californians if they’d rather have neighborhoods full of hoops or full of gang tags.

    harkin (f22a59)

  311. @320 – New Jersey west of the NJ Turnpike is truly the “Garden State”. What most people see – and mistake as representative of the state – is the corridor generally between NYC/Hudson county and Philly. Your description is spot on, but I’d add that if you’re a miserable person, you’re not going to be happy anywhere.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  312. @330. Ask Hoosiers first, to see if it makes a difference…

    Police: Over 300 active gangs in Indianapolis – Local News …

    http//www.wthr.com/…/police-over-300-active-gangs-in-indianapolis

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  313. And how many does Pittsburgh have not to say Philadelphia,

    narciso (d1f714)

  314. @331. Yeah, Lenny, we loved South Jersey- especially after the summer tourists left; locals loved it between September and December. Philly and NYC were accessible within 2 hours and LBI made for a great and safe ‘Beach Haven.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  315. Which state has the best quality of life? North Dakota, according to the study.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-us-study-says.html

    I’m at a loss about who is the the bigger dipstick. U.S. News & World Report which conducted the so-called study or the commenters here who are discussing it seriously.

    nk (dbc370)

  316. @333. Thing is, Philly has a past; Pgh has a future. It’s done a fine job of remaking itself from the Rustbelt Days after the mills closed– it only took 35 years.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  317. I thought most of Indiana was accurate 3 point shooters and passers not dribblers (I could see the nuisance of it if was mostly dribbling and clanking). If you are closer to certain parts of Chicago, you try to go full Nimby against a basketball court (the predominantly bougie black neighborhood of my upbringing actually got the Park District to convert a basketball court into Tennis courts.

    urbanleftbehind (60b5be)

  318. In so far as California exhibits certain stress factors that been allowed to grow rampant under brown, it fit these parameters.

    narciso (d1f714)

  319. It sounds like DCSCA and Ben Burn have some kind of Parent Trap thing going…separated at birth?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  320. @334 DCSCA – used to dig clams in the bay at LBI as a summer job in high school and college. Anywhere from 5 to 7 cents a clam. Worked hard during low tide for about 4 hours, 4 days a week. Made great money for the 70s and was the hit of every kegger when we made clams casino, fresh on the half shell (mmm, little necks), and steamers, of course. Good times.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  321. I hate to break it to you Ben but your dad had two families and he loved the other one more.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  322. Police: Over 300 active gangs in Indianapolis – Local News …

    http//www.wthr.com/…/police-over-300-active-gangs-in-indianapolis

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 3/1/2018 @ 6:10 pm

    The two biggest gangs in Indy are Shirts and Skins.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  323. @340. Lenny- family had a place on LBI 30 years, bayside, BH Park area w/DeFrita’s, Tony’s [best meatball subs on the island] the diner and the pancake house on the Blvd., not far from the movie theatre. As kids we got 3 cents/clam at the BH Fishery then they upped it to 5, 7 and eventually it got up to a dime/cherrystone into and past college years. Yes, really great money for the time, wasn’t it- literally like picking up cash off the bottom of the bay– all you needed was a lisc., a wicker basket and inner tube. As you note, labor intensive and tiring work and you clammed by the tide chart– about 4 or 5 hours, tops– but you worked your own hours. And you had to lug them down to the fishery the same day to get them there fresh. Clams casino recipe was Mom’s special and we’d do a block party w/t neighbors when she’d make several trays- we’d pop the little necks on the grill; hot sauce or melted butter– really hit the spot w/cold beer after a long day clam digging. We’d use the feet w/boots or sneakers– the rakes never seemed to be as efficient. The ‘pros’ would be out there clamming in the autumn from their boats right up until the season closed. Yes, really, really good times. Can taste them now.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  324. Yeah, we used our wet suit booties too. When you found the spiral beds you were half way home, but still hard work. Fortunately we had a skiff, so we’d take ’em straight to the seafood market (for the life of me can’t remember the name) unless we were partying that night.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  325. @344. Lenny, we used a 12 ft., aluminum boat w/a Johnson outboard and just hauled them back to home, sorted along the bulkhead, did a count and put them in the onion bags then drove them down to BH. It was that up-and-down for hours on end that got so tiring but when the guy would take the count and hand over the cash it was worth it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  326. Three children found living in a plywood box in California, officials say.

    Sheriff’s deputies in Southern California this week rescued three children who were living inside a plywood box on a trash-strewn desert property without running water or electricity, the authorities said on Thursday.

    The deputies were patrolling a remote part of San Bernardino County near the city of Joshua Tree on Wednesday morning when they spotted a sandy property filled with mounds of garbage, boxes and toys. When they entered the site to take a closer look, the deputies found the children — ages 11, 13 and 14 — wandering the property near piles of human feces and trash, the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department said.

    Standard of living # 50 out of 50. Take one look at the picture, and you can tell what happened.

    That livability that California is famous for.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  327. Pinandpuller @297 If you sell guns you should have to sell them to everyone who legally fits the criteria.

    On WOR this morning “Lionel” (a guest on the Mark Simone show) said it might be illegal in 19 states to refuse to sell guns to people under 21 because those states include age as a category under which commercial establishments are not allowed to discriminate on the basis of. I’m not sure about that. Do they have to rent cars to people under the age of 25?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  328. Pinandpuller 281.

    Could he be considered both stupid and intellectually curious like the opening of 2001?

    Yes. We don’t know.

    He probably did not expect it to go off, and he certainly did not expect to kill or injure anyone judging by the way he ran after it fired.

    He claims he found the gun, which is possible if it was left by one person or group to be picked up by another (handed over that way because posession of the weapon was illegal by one or the other party ]or both] in San Francisco. In this scenario, he found it first.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  329. Its hard to tell where Patterico ends and John Brennan begins.

    Happy with that association?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  330. Has there been a prosecution of a local municipal official for obstruction in the way sharf has gone about it?

    narciso (d1f714)


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