Patterico's Pontifications

2/21/2018

CNN Chyron Writers Think They’re Clever (They’re Not)

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am



The guys who write the snarky little parentheticals in the CNN chyrons are at it again — and they have been unleashed with a vengeance:

I’ll save you the click. Here are both of the images in the tweet:

This Is CNN 1

This Is CNN 2

And they keep doing it:

The people at CNN would tell you that they’re just standing up for facts. (They’re not.) But the last tweet makes the point that the “facts” asserted in these snarky chyrons are not as clear as they would have you believe.

And the folks at CNN have their own problems with facts and bias. You want evidence of factual sloppiness at CNN? Their own Van Jones claims that mass shooters are all Republicans. (They’re not.) You want evidence of bias at CNN? They’re hosting a town hall with students called: “Stand Up: The Students of Stoneman Douglas Demand Action.” With a title like that, one wonders how many victims who oppose gun control will be invited. They’re out there, you know.

Pushback on facts, especially with a perpetually dishonest President, is to be applauded. But there’s a way to do it, and a way not to do it. If you choose snark, and you don’t clean your own house first, you’re begging for the same snarky treatment in return.

I guess CNN thinks that these snarky chyrons are a good idea. (They’re not.) Apparently they think that running these sarcastic little parentheticals will cause viewers to take CNN seriously.

(They won’t.)

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

171 Responses to “CNN Chyron Writers Think They’re Clever (They’re Not)”

  1. I think they’re showing their hand about whether something should be done about all the massacres. But I have no problem with that. Most of America thinks that we can’t sit by and let this happen over an over. We’re not just responsible for what we do, but what we fail to do too.
    As for the other remarks they make, those are no matters of opinion really. The Liar-In-Chief needs to be called out – good for them for taking care of it. It’s madness, and no one should let it go unnoticed.

    Tillman (a95660)

  2. Well I suppose they could just accept Huckabee’s statements as ‘she said’ without background or context.

    If NEWS was just facts like
    There is no collusion’ Trump said
    without the corollary, Joe Lunchbucket can conclude Mueller is on a witch hunt without checks and balance. But I agree it reaches a fever pitch and undermines the messenger.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  3. Frist! (Of all the years I’ve been on this site, that’s the first time I’ve been able to pull that off. ) :)

    Tillman (a95660)

  4. I’m sorry but many of those kids are survivors of a school shooting like I was a survivor of The Little Big Horn when I ran 5 k across the river being chased by kids from the Indian school. during a cross country meet. The shooter was a survivor too.

    Pinandpuller (bfdeb3)

  5. “You may think that Trump is tougher on Putin than the very flexible Obama, but that’s just because you don’t see the falsity of everything Trump does. Those of us here at CNN see the real truth under Trump’s lies, and feel it’s our duty to point out this truth no matter what evidence reaches your lying eyes.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  6. There’s a whole Sienfeld episode that relvolves around a survivor of the Andrea Doria.

    Pinandpuller (bfdeb3)

  7. “Stand Up: The Students of Stoneman Douglas Demand Action.”

    Soon to be a lesson plan at a school near you.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  8. So German khan is tied to blavatsky who ponied up to Obama and schneiderman, and veselberg who signed up to Hillary and denton.

    narciso (fe7480)

  9. CNN has made a conscious decision to invade MSNBC’s market, since they can’t creditably go after Fox’s. By the time the midterms arrive, they’ll be full-throated Dem cheerleaders, with kneepads and everything.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  10. Day in day out we have three commenters who are survivors of Chicago gun violence. Although I haven’t seen a comment from happyfeet for a day at least. Are you surviving little feller?

    Pinandpuller (bfdeb3)

  11. I guess that what CNN is saying is that Trump needs to get tough with the Russkies. Maybe give some “volunteer” air support to Ukraine or put airbases in Estonia and Finland.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  12. It’s refreshing to see CNN basically disappear from hotel breakfast rooms and (to a lesser extent but growing every week) airport terminals – most now have local news but some even have FOX News for increased objectivity and decreased Russian memes – but it can’t be good for their inflated ratings (meager anyways). Not a good business plan to alienate anyone with a functioning brain.

    The week before the 2016 election they were flogging the Hillary in a Landslide! CW so hard that it probably had some Dem voters staying home.

    Most have now figured out they are just an arm of the DNC and are the opposite of news.

    harkin (8256c3)

  13. Where is Drj?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  14. Just be glad the actual Marjory Stoneman Douglas was a Confederate wifey or else it would be an even more toxic maelstrom.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  15. * was not

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  16. So far no FOX bleeding headlines awareness, because this only happens on the left.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  17. We have reached the point (in my opinion) where every conceivable legal and constitutional restriction has been placed on firearms and those looking to buy them. What comes next is confiscation because nothing short of confiscation will appease the left and that means civil war. Which I’m good with because if we don’t purge the country of leftists they will sooner or later do to the 2nd amendment what they’ve done to the rest of the Constitution and then purge the country of us.

    The goal of the left has been to eliminate firearms in the hands of all but the police and army then control the government and the police and army. It’s what they did in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Mao China, Khmer Cambodia and all the others and it certainly will be done here.

    We have met the enemy and it’s our neighbor.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  18. “a perpetually dishonest President”

    If only we had an infrequently dishonest president worthy of support (a Bush, Romney or McCain) the media would behave. The delusions of an anti-Trumpalo.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  19. CNN delenda est.

    Also: Twitter delenda est.

    Carthage has already been taken care of.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  20. Media traditionally have tried to distinguish between “news” and “opinion.” I disagree with almost all of the opinions that I hear on CNN, but that’s not why I hate CNN. I hate CNN — despise them, fervently wish that their headquarters building would burn to the ground (without casualties) and that its corporate parents Turner Broadcasting and Time-Warner, would go into Chapter 7 bankruptcy and be liquidated, because they no longer make the slightest pretense of separating news from opinion. These chirons are statements of opinion being presented as news, and that’s well beyond hypocritical or bad journalism, it’s an outright, deliberate, continuous lie by fundamentally dishonest people. They aren’t fundamentally dishonest because of their wrong opinions, they’re fundamentally dishonest because they try to repackage their wrong opinions as factual news.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  21. Since roughly the time Trump secured the GOP nomination, and certainly since the election, Fox News has also become extremely sloppy in most of its programming, and far more often than before I watch it peddling as factual “news” things that are obviously disputable opinions. Its own lickspittle quotient, in other words, continues to rise, and that disappoints and dismays me.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  22. I remember my Dad bitching about Chet Huntley reading a Nixon quote then just looking at the camera and raising his eyebrow.

    Outrageous editorializing

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  23. Beldar, for CNN opinion pieces, they make the headline start with “Opinion:” and those are the opinion articles.

    Tillman (a95660)

  24. Fox has been at it for some time now

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1834276

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  25. Well, that the Obama admin knew about the Russian internet troll program since at least 2014 and only decided it was a problem worth making a fuss over after the election (it wasn’t), isn’t even a matter of opinion. That’s a fact laid out in the indictment Friday last.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  26. I remember my Dad bitching about Chet Huntley reading a Nixon quote then just looking at the camera and raising his eyebrow.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/21/2018 @ 10:56 am

    So you inherited your impediment. You should sign up for disability.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  27. CNN can’t argue that he hasn’t been tougher. They can explain it away. They could argue that Trump came after Obama, and so naturally he is tougher, because more wrong from Russia has accumulated, but say he isn’t anywhere near against Russia as Obama would be in the same circumstances.

    But he is tougher since something new has been added and nothing has been reversed.

    Whjen Trump says Russia meddling had no impact, he means on the results of the election. Obama also said that, although he meant on the actual voting process.

    The Russian meddling could very well actually have backfired., as Holman W. jenkins Jr writes today in the Wall Street Journal:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-focuses-on-molehills-1519169467

    Let’s be realistic: The Russian propaganda activities detailed in Robert Mueller’s indictment last week had less impact on the election than 20 seconds of cable TV coverage (pick a channel) of any of Mr. Trump’s rallies.

    Only the media’s beloved hindsight fallacy suggests otherwise. In fact, Hillary Clinton’s campaign made good use of Russia to discredit Mr. Trump in the eyes of voters. What was the net effect on the vote? The press doesn’t know. Worse, it doesn’t know that it doesn’t know.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  28. Even Sammy is worried.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  29. Tillman (a95660) — 2/21/2018 @ 9:18 am

    Most of America thinks that we can’t sit by and let this happen over an over.

    The problem here is that most people can’t accept a probability greater than 0%, but there is no such thing. They treat low risks as zero, and then when something ahppens, want to reduce it to zero again, and can easily settle on snake oil remedies.

    There was a book reviwed in the Wall Street Journal today, called “Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don’t Have All the Facts.” by Annie Duke, who spent 20 years as a professional poker player.

    From the review:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/review-a-gamblers-education-1519169357

    We habitually ascribe favorable outcomes to personal agency, discounting the role of fortune. Conversely, if a decision turns out poorly, we believe that it must have been ill-judged. Ms. Duke cites the closing moments of the 2015 Super Bowl, when Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll directed quarterback Russell Wilson to pass the ball rather than hand it off. Later, most who had watched the game thought that this was the wrong play to call because it resulted in a turnover and cost the Seahawks their chance to win the game. Actually, it was a percentage play undone by an unlikely interception, Ms. Duke points out.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  30. 11 Kevin M (752a26) — 2/21/2018 @ 10:09 am

    .I guess that what CNN is saying is that Trump needs to get tough with the Russkies. Maybe give some “volunteer” air support to Ukraine or put airbases in Estonia and Finland.

    Jenkins writes:

    The U.S. government does not tell the public everything it does. American warplanes recently killed dozens, perhaps as many as 200, Russian mercenaries in Syria employed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, a key figure in the Mueller indictment. For the first time in the Syrian theater, a man-portable antiaircraft weapon appeared in the hands of the Syrian opposition, shooting down a Russian jet. The U.S. government has denied a role, but the message, if that’s what it was, would be historically resonant. The U.S. used such missiles to raise the cost of Soviet adventurism in Afghanistan and Angola in the 1980s.

    Let’s hope so, because such means will be necessary in Mr. Putin’s case, not just waving legal paperwork at him as Mr. Mueller has done,

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  31. The chyrons pictured read: “Breaking News,” Tillman. That’s a lie.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  32. @22

    I’m not going to defend CNN, I agree that they’re terrible. However, let’s not pretend that Trump signaled the beginning of a Fox downfall:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vmQrTi3aM

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  33. 26. papertiger (c8116c) — 2/21/2018 @ 11:13 am

    Well, that the Obama admin knew about the Russian internet troll program since at least 2014 and only decided it was a problem worth making a fuss over after the election (it wasn’t), isn’t even a matter of opinion. That’s a fact laid out in the indictment Friday last.

    Obama was afraid that if he were to complain about Russia maybe trying to elect Trump * in public, it would be seen as partisan, and he wanted to maintain a stance of neutrality when wearing his presidential hat.

    * Yesterday, I think, Rush Limbaugh maintained that Russia (Putin) didn’t imagine he could elect Trump – that he thought Hillary would be elected, but wanted to discredit her.)

    29. Worried about what? Rifles? I found out today acrazxy quirk in the law.

    There is aminimum age of 21 under feeral law for anyone to buy a pistol, but the minimum age for a rifle, including an AR-15, is 18. (even teenagers can use somebody else;s with the owner’s permission, though)

    Russian meddling? If they confine themselves to what they ddi, the effect only is to degrade the value of Twitter and Facebook. That’s soemthing to reget but not worry about

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  34. Too much Noo Yawk-fresh out the closet of repressed conservatives (I’m looking at you, Bartiromo and Pirro) and yes men in general, there has been a marked decline. Tucker is cool, he just needs that pie in face moment from time to time.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  35. I understand where some of you guys are coming from however, I think out of all the MSM FOX presents its News the most honestly and CNN the most slanted way possible. When they reached the point where viewers had to listen hard to decipher the propaganda from the news they jumped the shark. In fact both MSNBC and CNN should just declare themselves as communist operatives functioning as the propaganda arm of the DNC and be done with it. At this point they fool no one.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  36. CNN probably thinks, or has been argued into believing, they are avoiding misleading people, but the Democratic spin isn’t the truth.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  37. Beldar @32 The breaking news is that Trump issued a tweet. CNN reoorts taht but decides t argue against it. Yet it si true even if Trump did more than Obama did aganst Ruyssia in spite of himself. because he did everything Obama did, and extra.

    There’s new tweet where Turmp misspelled Jeff Sessions name, leaving off the last “s:

    So we got this:

    https://mashable.com/2018/02/21/jeff-session-donald-trump-tweet/#LDgYbA2Xrmq0

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  38. I wish CNN a lot of luck with this strategy (I don’t).

    JVW (dadb0c)

  39. http://www.wsj.com/graphics/russian-trolls-tweeted-disinformation-long-before-u-s-election/

    Russian Trolls Tweeted Disinformation Long Before U.S. Election

    Tweets about contaminated water, tainted turkey look to security experts like practice for the political season

    In the printed paper, the headline goes:

    Before Politics Russian Trolls Tweeted Hoaxes

    Tales of tainted turkey, contaminated water, showed a will too disrupt

    I don’t think this was ractice, although it dveveloped into that. They were serious, and expected it to work.

    The article only alludes to the fake chemical plant explosion but does not go into it.They also did a fake ISIS cyberattack in Albuquerque.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  40. FWIW, yesterday afternoon, Shep Smith went full-CNN right after one of Sarah-the-Huck’s press conferences, quoting statements she’d made in series, each followed by his own solemn pronouncement, “And that’s not true” or “That’s false” or “That’s a lie.” This during a supposed newscast. I don’t want to hear opinions presented as ostensible news by ostensible news reporters, not from either political side.

    Dan Rather and his “fake but accurate” meme ruint what was left of professional journalism. It’s now mostly a lost art. A genuinely professional and ethical journalist is harder to find than a Jedi master.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  41. Re my #43: To be clear, the statements Smith was quoting were each and every one of them assertions on matters of policy and opinion — not statements of objective, verifiable (or disprovable) fact. He might as well have been jumping up and down shrieking, “Liar, liar, pants-on-fire!”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  42. Huckabeast is quite Orwellian so the frustration is understandable.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  43. Did you guys know Seth McFarland survived 9/11? He didn’t wrestle a highjacker and DB Cooper away. He was too hungover to make his flight. But he survived and we ought to listen to all his thoughts on terrorism. Because he survived. Mark Wahlberg too.

    Pinandpuller (bfdeb3)

  44. The chyron tease; McText nuggets that work: attention grabbing television 101.

    Love it. Keep it up, CNN.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. These chyrons are making me thirsty.

    Pinandpuller (bfdeb3)

  46. “We have met the enemy and it’s our neighbor.”

    – Rev. Hoagie

    This is a counterproductive viewpoint.

    Isn’t it much more sensible to think that “we have met the enemy and it’s our government”? I think that it far closer to the truth than what you’ve said.

    And, obviously, I think there is a vast structural disconnect between our government and our people which makes the distinction important.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  47. If Shep did not got full Goeballs his social life would be dead as a door knob. Shep is simply assuring himself Company for the weekends and the occasional Grindr swipe.

    Shep's Social Circle (71f7f0)

  48. @49

    No, see, when Hoagie shoots up a Golden Corral, posts like that will show that the FBI should have been notified.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  49. They should retire the term Breaking News.

    urbanleftbehind (7df0e2)

  50. CNN is getting beat by the cartoon network and hallmark so is it really a thing?

    narciso (fe7480)

  51. For that matter, Newsweek is a,figment

    http://www.newsweek.com/alt-right-trump-franken-mueller-twitter-810355

    narciso (fe7480)

  52. CNN does not think it’s fake news. (It is.)

    nk (dbc370)


  53. And, obviously, I think there is a vast structural disconnect between our government and our people which makes the distinction important.


    I would agree with that, Leviticus except that what constitutes “our government” and “our people” become more blurred daily. For instance are the folks in the MSM who this post is about now running propaganda for the government? Are they not picking sides? Is there not a philosophical link between what the Deep State does and what the Fake News promotes? How about the almost 100% of teachers being leftists and teaching our kids things we don’t agree with? Or the idea that CNN and teachers and celebrities are at this minute conspiring to have students “walk out” of class in a protest over guns? Are we to make long term political decisions based on the emotions of kids whose immature minds know only impulse?

    As my original post @18 began with “(in my opinion)” being in the first sentence I also hear your opinion which is valid also and I appreciate you sharing it with us.


    51.@49

    No, see, when Hoagie shoots up a Golden Corral, posts like that will show that the FBI should have been notified.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/21/2018 @ 2:48 pm


    Are you trying to be funny or are you threatening me?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  54. 55

    Thanks to the gods you have no influence for a Network.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  55. @58

    I’m being funny, because I know that you’re all talk about “purging leftists.”

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  56. Is chyron Greek for “Voice of the gods” mr nk?

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  57. Hoagie talks trash but he’s a softie at heart.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  58. Nk thinks he’s an influential poster. ( he isn’t)

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  59. I bet if a guy started shooting amongst a random sampling of 140 Texans in a Luby’s cafeteria in 2018 things would turn out a lot different. But nowdays shooters seem to be going where outside guns aren’t welcome. And Davethulhu probably thinks O2 tanks explode like in the movies. Now a portable liquid dispenser could be problematic.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  60. chy·ron
    ˈkīrän
    noun trademark
    noun: chyron; plural noun: chyrons
    an electronically generated caption superimposed on a television or movie screen.
    Origin 1970s: from Chyron Corporation, its manufacturer.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. Pamela Geller too?

    News of the last-minute chaos emerged on Wednesday morning when Pamela Geller, the radical anti-Muslim activist who was organizing a discussion on the “suppression of conservative views on social media,” canceled her event over being asked by the American Principles Project, the organization sponsoring the panel, to remove Jim Hoft as a speaker after he spread conspiracy theories about a student survivor of last week’s Florida shooting.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  62. Be that as it may, it sounds like was made up by Greeks or Gene Roddenberry.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  63. “News of the last-minute chaos emerged on Wednesday morning when Pamela Geller, the radical anti-Muslim activist who was organizing a discussion on the “suppression of conservative views on social media,” canceled her event…….”

    Lol – how fitting – a slanted article from CNN Media.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/21/media/cpac-jim-hoft-gateway-pundit-panel/index.html

    Pam Geller is not radical, but the people who want her dead just might be.

    harkin (8256c3)

  64. You’re right, Ben. I don’t know how anyone could hang a conspiracy theory on a kid who’s parents worked for the FBI, crushes on CNN, shoot infomercials during an active shooter incident and look like he spends more time in front of a green screen than Andy Serkis.

    David Hogg Sizzle Reel

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  65. Chiron was a centaur who features prominently in Greek mythology.

    nk (dbc370)

  66. I forgot a couple of S’s there in haste but you get the gist. I’m sure you’ll give me as many takes as CNN right?

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  67. You’re right Ben

    I’ve 3d printed that gun and mounted it on my fireplace mantel.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  68. Do you guys watch Superior Donuts?

    Chicago Roofie: A tray of lasagna and a lite beer.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  69. You haven’t worn out your lower receiver yet, Ben? Shocking.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  70. I love doughnuts especially with sugar beet frosting and GMO Roundup in the mix.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  71. You can pry my 80% complete ar15 from my cold donut fist.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  72. 60.@58

    I’m being funny, because I know that you’re all talk about “purging leftists.”
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/21/2018 @ 3:53 pm


    Good. I know we’ll never agree on anything but we needn’t be hostile. Sarcastic yes, hostile no.


    62.Hoagie talks trash but he’s a softie at heart.
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/21/2018 @ 4:01 pm


    You got it, comrade. I’m a softie but I don’t like to be forced to do things against my will, my faith or my moral code. That’s when my mind goes into battle mode and the bad Hoagie appears. Like most of us I assume.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  73. Bad hoagie is A-ok.

    I just wish you would use your intellect more.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  74. Pin, I watched that video you linked. It made me think of Dan Rather propelling himself to fame and fortune during Hurricane Carla in 1961 (nb: I was about four, so I don’t remember it live, but I’ve just seen film). Perhaps this is the next generation’s Gunga Dan.

    When I see the word “chyron,” I think of Chevron (a one-time client) and chevrons. nk, thank you for the sleuthing.

    OT: I watched parts of Trump’s “listening session” today, and have seen other parts of it excerpted on the evening news. Kudos to the organizers in the WH, who took (but survived) justifiable chances in structuring it. (The temptation to instead stack it with two Trumpkin plants for every high school student must have been incredible.)

    As for Trump’s own part: He maintained a good affect, with his customary “thoughtful scowl” and nodding; he was engaged. Beyond mumbles about background checks, he had nothing but platitudes, and as always, he was painfully inarticulate. But that’s also customary for him when he’s off-prompter but at least trying to stay away from creating controversy. He maintained that discipline well, staying in character as consistently as he did on “The Apprentice.” So I give his staffers an A+, and — grading on a heavy curve, as for a child with a severe language disability — I’ll give him a solid A-: No substance, but he was approximately as convincing a POTUS today as, say, Kevin Kline’s character in Dave. So that certainly made this one of his best days of 2018.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  75. January 2018 – Vox Media formally recognizes editorial and video staff union that formed among employees.

    Today – Vox Media CEO Jim Bankoff announced plans to lay off around 50 employees, with the Racked, Curbed, SB Nation, and Video Services teams “bearing the biggest impact.”

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/vox-media-laying-around-50-people-1086869?__twitter_impression=true

    harkin (8256c3)

  76. When did ‘crawl’ become’chryon’?

    harkin (8256c3)

  77. No invitation to teh Patterico Christmas party this year, Stelter!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  78. beenburned still rabid
    to him weezul dust is a must
    is he high? (he is)

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  79. Great breakdown Mr Beldar. Gunga Dan lol.

    Did you guys know CNN is threatening people’s lives again?

    Just to make sure we are all clear: CNN sent a reporter to an elderly woman’s house and broadcast her name just because she once shared something on Facebook.

    Chris Cuomo … Not to be outdone by others at his network, CNN’s Chris Cuomo shared a post by a 20-year-old who claimed he bought an AR-15 in five minutes without an ID. The problem is, the kid didn’t. He got the store to let him take a picture with an AR-15 in his hands in five minutes. He never bought the gun. So a background check wasn’t performed. Without the ID, he wouldn’t have been able to actually buy the gun. Nevertheless, Cuomo persisted. The Daily Wire has all the details.

    Conservative Review

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  80. So both khaan (couldnt resist) and blavatsky (sic) both sold their share in rosneft, through the alfa group, so they paid for their black of shares, notably it was march rich’s glrncore group that negotiated the deal

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. Still OT: Being ornery, I’m going to quibble with myself now. I wrote in #81 above: “Beyond mumbles about background checks, he had nothing but platitudes ….”

    That’s not true, and worse, it’s not fair. He also mentioned the possibility of arming volunteer teachers who’d get special training and support, and that’s not a platitude, whether you think it’s a good or a bad idea. And I give Trump credit for floating it, taking a show of hands for and against, and then pivoting to another topic with fair aplomb.

    Personally, I think it’s a terrible idea if imposed by the federal government; I think it’s an idea worth exploring at the state level, a classic example of the “50-state laboratory of democracy,” and indeed, it’s already being tried in some places. I see almost no constructive role for the federal government to play in any governmental efforts to try to reduce school shootings. And I reject the presumption that this is entirely government’s problem to solve, even for public schools, and at either the state or the federal levels. Parents, YMCAs and YWCAs, Scouting, Junior ROTC, and yes, NRA-sponsored youth events can all play roles in, at a minimum, educating students to at least the level of understanding at which they’d stop using the term “assault rifle” as if that were more meaningful than the phrase “really-scary rifle.” All of those organizations, and others, likewise have more active roles to play — and are frankly likely to be more effective! — than government.

    (Reciprocal concealed carry actually would promote all those purposes, and I do support federal legislation like that to actually effectuate Second Amendment rights. And that’s something that could probably pass in this Congress if only the GOP senators would nuke the filibuster. But anyway ….)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  82. A whopping 24% of the first 80 comments were excreted by beenburned.

    Sad.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. I woke up late Colonel Haiku.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  84. ammosexual
    A term for someone who feels affection for firearms. Often an attraction to the beauty and design of the gun, but can also refer to love for the history, freedom, security, or tactile feel of the gun. Also typified by those who feel joy in being able to find and acquire ammunition to feed their firearms, especially at an affordable price.

    Ammosexuals, like many alternative lifestyle groups, have been ruthlessly attacked by hate-filled bigots who desire the eradication of individual liberty and equality, in favor of either violent mobs, might-makes-right, or tyrant kings.

    Fearing violence and protests, most ammosexuals are forced to hide their biological affection from vocal and violent prejudice. Ammosexuals are frequently the target of anti-freedom laws and politicians, and are currently denied many freedoms granted to other minority groups in most nations.
    Hey, want to see my new favorite rifle? Her name’s Vera.

    Are you an ammosexual, too? Do you want to maybe try being range buddies?

    Urban Dictionary

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  85. Yes, but who is the audience, those who havecthrough now the second generation of constructivist education, the first was ignite, that substitutes narrative for knowledge.

    narciso (d1f714)


  86. Bad hoagie is A-ok.

    I just wish you would use your intellect more.
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/21/2018 @ 5:46 pm


    See? There it is again. Any time a leftist disagrees with me or any conservative or Christian for that matter the topic immediately becomes the other’s lack of intellect. For some reason leftists believe “smart” people don’t disagree with them, they can’t, cause they’re smart. Only dummies and anti intellectuals and “feral hillbillies” and of course the average ignoramus like me could not be leftist 100% in everything. Comrade Ben! could have said: “I just wish we could agree more” but he had to call in doubt my intellect because the argument alone isn’t convincing.

    Like I stated in another link we think leftists are wrong, while they think we are bad people, stupid people, evil people uncompassionate people. IOW, we’re not just wrong, we’re corrupted by bad traits that make us wrong. It is an important distinction.

    Which is why I said “We have met the enemy and he is our neighbor”, Leviticus. Leftists are our neighbors and just like the leftists in Germany and Russia and Cambodia etcetera, it will be they who condemn us to death. The last 100 years of socialist manufactured genocide should be obvious to anyone willing to look objectively.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  87. Yes there is such a thing, as a cold civil war, a nition popularized by William Gibson in a novel he wrote in the early 10s

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. Is this what you call “without any real evidence”?

    SHOCKER: CNN’s high school star David Hogg, whose father is ex FBI, is also tied to John Podesta’s Center for American Progress

    State of the Nation

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  89. Its not implausible, but I would need more evidence, to be sure, like I say this sounds like dream defenders and the million mom march all over again.

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. 88 – Beldar (fa637a) — 2/21/2018 @ 6:13 pm

    Agree that the federal government shouldn’t be involved in arming teachers. The 50-state laboratory is preferable, if only to statistically prove the point that the gun-free zones are an open invitation for an attack.

    Here in my conservative enclave (town of 10,000) in my blue state, the local schools lock all doors almost the entire day (exceptions are outdoor gym classes, etc. where teachers and aides are watching the kids and anyone approaching closely). The only point of entry for non-students and non-faculty is the front door, where one must announce themselves and the reason for their visit via intercom. They are not allowed in unless they are in an appointment log. Former students coming by to say hi to old friends and teachers? Not allowed during school hours. At intake and dismissal, there are cop cars parked for about 1/2 hour at the two major entrances/exits and the cops get out of their cruisers, making it clear they are looking for threats.

    These common-sense measures go a long way to deterring an attack, which is still possible but has lower odds of success. I would also like to see armed and trained administrator and faculty volunteers and posting a notice of same.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  91. All that crap about the Hogg kid is 110% #FakeNews manufactured by Gateway Pundit out of whole cloth. He really is a student at the school, not a crisis actor, and all this shows is the depth of moronic depravity of Trumpkins, that they would come up with crap like this against a perceived critic of their orange-skinned Rogaine junkie.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. History is rhyming like a Shakespearean sonnet:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article201216104.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. I don’t find it a productive avenue, to consider, the most interesting areas will be how the state and local authorities failed this kid.

    narciso (d1f714)

  94. Further if teachers were armed, they should be allowed to off one of the underperforming children at their own discretion.
    September ~ Octoberish in home room.

    To focus their wards attention on their school work and clear up lingering deciplinary problems.

    I bet the national grade point average would improve (it would).

    papertiger (c8116c)

  95. 100… that’s quite an expansive brush you paint with, nk.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  96. So when the up and newswerks painted him as a mcveigh wannabe, where wee that diacretiom?

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. No no mr nk. I don’t think that Hogg is a fake student but I do think he is a useful idiot. Would you, as a lawyer, question the testimony of a guy who claims he was a “witness” who in his own words hid in 100 square feet with 60 people? Some witness. He was filming a “Leave Britney Alone!” video.

    He can talk sh*t on our orange president all he wants. But if he wants to throw out talking points on scary black rifles then he’s going to get some pushback. And if he wants to be the face of gun control he’s going to get some scrutiny.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  98. Like I stated in another link we think leftists are wrong,
    You confuse me, Hoagie. That comment then goes on to say leftists want genocide. People who want genocide are usually classed as bad people, so how is that not calling them Bad People?

    Kishnevi (5acb5b)

  99. I may be wrong about Gateway Pundit manufacturing it out whole cloth. They may have used a #FakeNews video by a YouTuber as their starting point.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. 97
    Retweet? The headline makes it sound like Hogg sr is on Podesta’s staff.

    But this just proves the vapidity of such sites. To counter Hogg jr’s new position in the apostolic succession to Sarah Brady, all one needs to do is to point out that it would require a near miracle for a kid to react any other way, if his father was exFBI, and he was living in one of the most Democratic heavy areas of Florida.

    Kishnevi (5acb5b)

  101. Yeah, “pushing back” against a 17-year old kid with slanders is just what every freedom loving defender of the Second Amendment would do.

    nk (dbc370)

  102. Lenny, that locked door environment seems to have applied to Douglas High. There was one chink which the shooter took advantage of: to make it easier for students to leave at the end of the day, two exterior doors were unlocked approximately ten minutes before the end of final period.

    Kishnevi (5acb5b)

  103. He should have done like Mr. President and retweeted a British Nazi, kishnevi.

    nk (dbc370)

  104. I find it peculiar that “concerned mother” pushing for a national cut school day turns out to be 20 veteran CNN producer.

    Shouldn’t such a person be liable for inciting crimiminal activity? (She should)

    papertiger (c8116c)

  105. 20 year veteran CNN producer. (excuse me)

    papertiger (c8116c)

  106. Yeah, “pushing back” against a 17-year old kid with slanders is just what every freedom loving defender of the Second Amendment would do.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/21/2018 @ 7:30 pm

    George Zimmerman v NBC News would be my template, mr nk. That’s what every freedom loving defender of the First would do.

    Larry Tribe thinks Hogg should have voted in 2016.

    Now granted, I may be asking for a newscrew to show up on my dirt road for sh*tposting but I remember one time when I was minding my own business at a gun store next to where I worked. Some news reporter wanted to ask me a question about the news du jour and I basically told her to eff off. This David Hogg kid is looking more thirsty than 17 year old Justin Bieber.

    Can a minor be judged to be a public figure?

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  107. Isn’t it a little weird that this guy kills 17 people and moseys off to Subway with an envious resting heart rate?

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  108. I may be wrong about Gateway Pundit manufacturing it out whole cloth. They may have used a #FakeNews video by a YouTuber as their starting point.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/21/2018 @ 7:20 pm

    Just add FISA judge and you have an FBI operation.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  109. Of course you can’t shoot a kid, but what if when schools have a problem child who is going to be sent out of regular school to a disciplinary school, the vice principle and security guard employ a little theatricality. Come to the classroom. Make a show of removing the juvenile delenquent. Walk him off school grounds noisily, and just as they are out of view squeeze off a couple rounds.

    Then you leave it to the imagination of the other kids what really happened.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  110. 82…Curbed is a Vox thang? Some of the localized ##Curbed sites seemed to be to the right of their corresponding paper of record i.e. LAWeekly versus the Dog .Trainer

    urbanleftbehind (7df0e2)

  111. Well that reveals his sociopathology, his lack of remorse, I don’t have to remind anyone who else committed a series of heinous acts and tried to blend into the crowd: dlawso eel yevrah

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. 119, did any of the vics get touched or know someone touched by Jared?

    urbanleftbehind (7df0e2)

  113. Actually Subways are one of the few socially acceptable fast foods in image conscious Florida. I didn’t see a single Dunkin south of about Stuart.

    urbanleftbehind (7df0e2)

  114. @112 – I didn’t know that. A cop near those entrances, just for 10 mins prior to dismissal and 20 minutes after would have made the difference. He’s got a side-arm and a long gun in the cruiser. It would be very difficult to approach the school with an AR-15 under those circumstances.

    And it appears Broward County is taking matters into its own hands. I completely agree with this:

    https://www.axios.com/deputies-carry-rifles-florida-dbf592c9-df26-43a8-be6c-0031bb9e7347.html

    I’ll never forget traveling to Italy in 1994. When my wife and I arrived at the airport, I was astonished that the carabinieri all carried machine pistols (don’t recall the make/model). I had never seen such a thing in my other travels abroad. But the Europeans knew they had no choice and it made a huge difference.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  115. Is it wrong to wish it was this Subway NSFW?

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  116. Kids are getting involved in politics younger and younger:

    WEST CHESTER, Pa. One Pennsylvania resident has been called to perform his civic duty a few years earlier than expected.

    Jeanette Fox says her son came running to her with a summons from the Chester County court to appear for jury duty in March. Her son, Luke, is only 11 years old.Here’s the problem, jury duty in the Commonwealth of PA is selected from voter registration rolls just like in Texas. Just find it strange an 11 year old is on the voter rolls.

    Link

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  117. There’s only one time-tested way to fight this scourge!

    https://youtu.be/FQMbXvn2RNI

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  118. There was an irony in niac board member ambassador Pickering debouncong trump earlier this week:

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/255801/iran-deal-disaster

    narciso (d1f714)

  119. 120… you’ve gotta be pissed at somebody, PandP. Whether it’s a buffoon like Hoft or the high echelon in DOJ, FBI and the State Dept. who have disregarded the law and politicized the Administrative State… I mean… does it really matter?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. Hoff doesn’t have any real power, now the local educational and rehabililitative (Don’t laugh) have the power and the responsibility.

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. And all these Democrat, media operative and #NeverTrump assholes who do exactly what the Russian Troll operation hoped they’d do and do it all for well over a year now, I mean, they are without shame and continue to do their damage. If I were king, they’d all be getting a free devil’s haircut.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  122. Whether it’s a buffoon like Hoft or the high echelon in DOJ, FBI and the State Dept. who have disregarded the law and politicized the Administrative State… I mean… does it really matter?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/21/2018 @ 8:44 pm

    This Hogg family had CNN on during dinner instead of talking about the weird guy at school.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  123. Pin asked:

    Can a minor be judged to be a public figure?

    I recently represented the parents of a minor who was suing for defamation; because he was a minor, he couldn’t bring the suit himself, although as it happened, he turned 18 while the case was pending. There was no arguable issue of him being a public figure, though, so I didn’t have occasion to research that, and the other side certainly never raised it as a defense (and they weren’t shy about pleading every conceivable defense under the sun). All of their affirmative defenses were technically being urged against the parents as his legal guardians, but it was his reputation, not theirs, which was at issue.

    Minors do get a break in that most states toll the running of their statutes of limitations on tort claims belonging to minors; defamation typically has a very short limitations period, in many states (including Texas) only one year.

    Generally the test for whether one’s subject to the limitations the First Amendment places on public figure defamation plaintiffs is whether they’ve purposefully thrust themselves into public debate and discussion. This young man didn’t create the incident that put his school into public focus, nor would he have become a general-purpose public figure by responding to reporters’ questioning (or even their coaching, if that’s what happened, which I don’t think that video supports).

    Now if he really does make his own “hot takes” tape and start peddling it, or if he makes active efforts to stay in the public view as a commentator on these issues, I think he might arguably then become one.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  124. Anyone else find it weird that Grace Kelly, playing a Quaker woman opposed to violence of any kind regardless of right or wrong, would marry Marshall Gary Cooper just before he has the big shoot out?

    Does that seem true to the character?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  125. Btw guess what we found about the truck in charlottesville?

    narciso (d1f714)

  126. Different strokes for different folks

    https://mobile.twitter.com/alexanderbruz/status/966394787657109504

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. having trouble with the eight track player narciso?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  128. Prior to positive application of gun ownership rights, Florida led the country in lynchings.

    http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/florida-lynched-more-black-people-per-capita-than-any-other-state-according-to-report-6470940

    strange fruit hanging in the orange groves.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  129. That’s loaded with category error, that isn’t about the 2nd amendment or any form of self defense except on Gilead, the setting for the handmaids tale.

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. Is a lawsuit against minor defamation a new defense to bullying?

    Are damages in defamation cases weighted against the plaintiff’s position or station?

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  131. The positive application of gun rights === means soldiers brought their guns home with them from the war. I’m a libertarian.

    If you insist on an official okie dokie from Big Brother I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9981 —- that’ll have to do.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Notice the Broward New Times study stops at 1950. There’s your reason.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  132. Pin, as to your first question, regarding bullying, I’m not quite tracking it.

    As to the second: A defamation plaintiff’s damages are indeed based to a considerable extent on his prior standing and reputation in his community (broadly defined). If the plaintiff already had the reputation of a scoundrel, he might not have owned a reputation that could effectively have been blackened. Likewise, economic damages (e.g., lost wages from a job lost due to a publicized, defamatory misstatement believed by the employer) are going to vary from plaintiff to plaintiff. If you’re a child star with a Disney contract and someone defames you by falsely claiming you’re the leader of a teen human trafficking gang, your folks on your behalf would certainly be able to put into evidence that you lost your endorsement deals and your Disney contract, presuming you can prove the requisite causation. But likewise, then you’d probably be a public figure even as a minor. Miley Cyrus, for example, almost certainly became a public figure for defamation law purposes way before she attained her majority at 18.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  133. During World War 2 FDR signed executive order 8802 which allowed blacks to join the Marines.
    They still had segregation though, so instead of training recruits at Paris Island, they set up a black boot camp at Montford Point, North Carolina.

    Then Truman signed executive order 9981 ending segregation in the military. Montford Point was switched over to being home to the Marine Corps Combat Service Support Schools (MCCSSS), where various support military occupational specialties such as administration, supply, logistics, finance, and motor transport maintenance are trained.

    They renamed the camp after the first black drill instructor at Montfort Point, Sergeant Major Gilbert “Hashmark” Johnson.

    And Camp Johnson is where I went to MOS school. Nice chow hall.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  134. I’m just wondering if things that used to be chalked up to bullying are being settled in the courtroom. Whether they be physical or verbal. Not that I’m against it the legal system settling things.

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  135. papertiger

    I heard an old Marine saying was “Shot at and missed. Sh*t on and hit all over.”

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  136. Never heard that one.

    Allahpundit was spittballing the pros and cons of Marco Rubio and Dana Loesch skipping “The very fair and balanced ‘students stand up to evil gun owners’ CNN town hall:” and came up with the thought;

    To avoid embarrassing “MACHO GUN SUPPORTERS RUN FROM CHILDREN!” headlines. Which, rest assured, would have appeared as 800-pt banners on CNN.com tomorrow if Rubio and Loesch had bugged out.

    Rubio and Loesch both showed up, but that didn’t stop CNN and Politico from running their gun supporters run from kids stories.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/22/politics/liberals-marco-rubio-empty-chair-town-hall/index.html
    http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2017/02/marco-rubio-town-halls-109889

    Hundred and eighty degrees wrong. Too lazy to be accurate. They were already in the hopper.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  137. What Bach and Charlie Parker had in common (Octave Displacement)

    Pinandpuller (3a8389)

  138. they do this cause the only meaningful audience they have left anymore are the people in the airports what can’t change the channel or hear what the CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts are saying

    happyfeet (105f80)

  139. I didnt say you lack intellect hoagie.
    You have demonstrated through your financial understanding and not getting emotional about Stocks.

    But your emotions hobble your mind on other subjects.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  140. Will SOMEONE please note that Bruce Ohr was NOT the No. 4 man in the Justice Department.

    He was described early on as having had an office “4 doors down from the DAG Sally Yates”, and that has now grown into the completely inaccurate claim he was “No. 4.”

    The order of seniority in DOJ is:

    1. Attorney General
    2. Deputy Attorney General
    3. Associate Attorney General
    4. Solicitor General
    5. Assistant Attorney General Criminal Division
    6. Assistant Attorney General Civil Division.

    There are 4-5 more Assistant Attorney Generals who head up other Division of DOJ (Tax, Civil Rights, etc.) — all these posts are Nominated and Senate Confirmed.

    Bruce Ohr was a career attorney who was at one point held the position of Associate Deputy Attorney General — meaning he worked as one of several “Associates” in the Office of the Deputy Attorney General. The “Associates” are basically the staff of the DAG, each of whom is assigned a different component of DOJ to provide overall supervision. He was not appointed by the President or confirmed by the Senate in that post — he was selected by the DAG.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  141. Falcon launch better on tv.

    Low moisture made it unspectacular this morning.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  142. The Torygraph has a paywall?

    Who’d pay to read their pap?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  143. Narciso pays..heh.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  144. But your emotions hobble your mind on other subjects.


    So now I’m not necessarily unintellectual, just an emotional diva? You think for some reason the same intellect I use to trade stocks did not come into play in war, business or my politics rather I approach all these things for the last 40 years at an emotional level? Yeah. That’s why I’m a conservative because I’m an emotional wreck. I wear pink pussy hats on my pink pussy head while I scream at the sky and run around calling myself a victim. You got me pegged, comrade. MAGA

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  145. A Trump-appointed federal judge who donated to the Trump campaign and worked on his presidential transition team has rejected requests to recuse himself from overseeing a legal battle involving Fusion GPS, the research firm that commissioned the so-called “dossier” of unverified intelligence that contains claims about Donald Trump’s alleged ties to Russia.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appointed-judge-donated-campaign-refuses-recuse-dossier/story?id=53273577

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  146. Have it your way dumba$$…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  147. The Wimmens movement like any other revolution shares a primary motivation..

    Revenge!

    Ben burn (7d2e65)

  148. 162 — that’s pretty much a completely specious effort to get a judge to recuse. As Judge McFadden points out, if campaign contributions PRIOR to taking the bench were a basis for a judge to be recused in cases involving the US, then most federal judges would have trouble staying on cases.

    Every civil suit brought against the US is, technically speaking, a suit brought against the sitting President. If a judge contributed to the campaign of a sitting President, or previously worked in the Admin., then the argument made here would require that Judge to recuse.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  149. Yeah. McFadden gets off on a technicality.

    Ben burn (7d2e65)

  150. It’s more that McFadden was a low level volunteer on the Trump transition team. The actual case is a Russian businessman vs BuzzFeed. This Fusion subpoena is actually a sideshow to that.

    Kishnevi (4d78f4)

  151. The hardest thing for people to see is the big picture when they focus on minutiae.

    Ben burn (7d2e65)

  152. You telling me Ben doesn’t know about incognito browsers?

    Pinandpuller (4e6771)

  153. 99. Lenny (5ea732) — 2/21/2018 @ 6:53 pm

    Here in my conservative enclave (town of 10,000) in my blue state, the local schools lock all doors almost the entire day (exceptions are outdoor gym classes, etc. where teachers and aides are watching the kids and anyone approaching closely). The only point of entry for non-students and non-faculty is the front door, where one must announce themselves and the reason for their visit via intercom. They are not allowed in unless they are in an appointment log. Former students coming by to say hi to old friends and teachers? Not allowed during school hours.

    That was exactly the situation AT Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School community. And they had an armed guard.

    But they opened up the doors (or at least unlocked them) shortly before closing, and Nick Cruz used one of those doors. He also wore a maroon polo shirt with an ROTC insignia and the logo of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Eagles on the sleeve. This was his JROTC uniform, which he still had. (It didn’t really work; he was too well known. A staffer spotted him and call in an alert, but Cruz acted too fast for anyone to do anything)

    At intake and dismissal, there are cop cars parked for about 1/2 hour at the two major entrances/exits and the cops get out of their cruisers, making it clear they are looking for threats.

    That they didn’t have at Douglas.

    I was thinking of maybe one-way doors, or maybe two doors that couldn’t be held open. But this is easier and quicker to implement and cheaper. Cruz outsmarted them.

    The Aurora, Colorado shooter also got in through an exit. He had gone inside once, and left the door open so he come in again with his weapon.

    Sammy Finkelman (e0d9f1)


Powered by WordPress.

Page loaded in: 0.4758 secs.