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2/14/2018

School Shooting In Florida Leaves 17 Dead

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:35 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Horrible:

[P]olice say an expelled student returned to campus and opened fire with an assault rifle, killing 17 and wounding 15 more in the worst school shooting in Florida history.

Just before dismissal at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, thousands of students puzzled at the sound of a fire alarm were launched into a panic when gunfire punctuated the din. As teachers and students fled through hallways and hid under desks, a gunman opened fire, leaving a trail of bodies and stunned confusion in his wake.

The Broward Sheriff’s Office says Nikolas Cruz, 19, killed 17 teenagers and adults, and sent 15 more to the hospital with bullet wounds. Wielding an AR-15 and equipped with multiple magazines, he gunned down a dozen people inside buildings on the school’s sprawling campus, two more on the grounds, and one more on the corner of Pine Island Road as he fled.

Two more died at the hospital. Many underwent surgery at Broward Health hospitals. The Broward Sheriff’s Office says the school, home to about 3,200 students, had been cleared by early evening but they had not identified any of the victims.

Apparently, some students were already wary of Cruz:

Some of the current students told authorities they knew the suspect, Milton reports. Student Brandon Minoff, speaking with CBSN, said he had had classes with Cruz. Minoff described the suspect as a “strange kid.”

Another student told CBS News about the suspect, “The kid was crazy. I had engineering with him a couple years ago and he wasn’t allowed to come to school with a backpack and he would threaten students and break glass and get into fights so he got kicked out of school.”

Prayers for the victims and their families left behind. I cannot imagine what they are going through.

And before the debate about guns heats up, Charles C.W. Cooke thoughtfully responded to a bit of provocation. If only more pundits, journalists and members of the media followed suit:

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–Dana

350 Responses to “School Shooting In Florida Leaves 17 Dead”

  1. Our instantaneous culture no longer allows the slow motion of time to simply grieve and mourn.

    Dana (023079)

  2. Mitt Romney

    @MittRomney

    Out of respect for the victims and their families, I will not be making an announcement tomorrow about the Senate race.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. I’m struck by the reports that the high school kids all pegged Cruz as the type of kid who would do this sort of thing. Now it might not be that the kids really were all that prescient and they are just pretending to be in retrospect, but to the degree that Cruz apparently freaked these kids out I wonder if the local authorities had been contacted about his behavior, and I further wonder if the school has a policy whereby local law enforcement is informed about all the students who are expelled from school.

    When Jared Loughner shot up all those people in Tucson those years ago, one of the things that really struck me is that he had apparently been recently expelled from Pima Community College because people felt threatened by him, but the campus administration had not bothered to notify the Tucson Police or Pima County Sheriff’s Office, citing those nebulous student private concerns. Maybe that is something that needs to be revisited in light of all of this.

    JVW (42615e)

  4. Unfortunately there are no such procedures for a host of reasons

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. School Shooting In Florida Leaves 17 Wayne LaPierred.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  6. It’s never too early for assholes with an ax to grind to start dancing on the bodies of the dead.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. Prayers for the victims and their families left behind.

    No.

    Enough of that bull crap.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. Maybe if they spent less time chasing the grishenko squirrel

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/14/florida-shooter-syrian-groups

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. Mitt Romney

    @MittRomney

    Out of respect for the victims and their families, I will not be making an announcement tomorrow about the Senate race.

    For once, a threadjack is appropriate. So, do you think that he’ll manage to throw this race to the Democrats, too?

    nk (dbc370)

  10. You may think it’s bullcrap, but all I can do for them, DCSCA, is to intercede on their behalf.

    Dana (023079)

  11. You think can ignore evil in the world disco, that’s how we got here.

    narciso (d1f714)

  12. @11. It is bull crap. Along w/moments of silence and candlelight weep sessions. you wanna stop your kid getting Wayne LaPierred going to school, you know what to start doing– and frigging ‘praying’ isn’t it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. You are tragically wrong, DCSCA. There is a God who loves us very much, even you. Turning to the Lord always bears fruit, even if it does not occur on our time table, or in our immediate view.

    felipe (023cc9)

  14. @14. Bullsh-t.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. @14. God helps those who help themselves.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  16. It is time to start training and arming teachers.

    The state had a responsibility to protect the children in the care during the school day.

    “Gun-free zones” are not and I think that has been demonstrated time and time again.

    WarEagle82 (2b3d34)

  17. @17. Teachers, hell. Every kid should be showing up for class packing heat w/their lunch money and smartphones. That way a real shoot out in the early grades can thin the herd.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  18. God helps all who turn to Him. You obviously do not do this even as the Lord beckons to you in the quiet moments of your life. But you will before your last breath.

    Listen to your words; venom, impenitence, and selfishness. Out of charity I urge you to repent.

    felipe (023cc9)

  19. As we discovered in Luke 8, if you tell him to depart. He will has your request

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. @19. F, in April, 2018, I’ll be celebrating 50 years of avoiding attending any organized religious service and I’m certain I’m closer to and at peace w/my God than you’ll ever be– and without the middle man taking a cut in the collection plate.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. I’m certain I’m closer to and at peace w/my God than you’ll ever be. . .

    What a curious thing to say. This doesn’t appear to be your best day, DCSCA. You might want to consider calling it a night and rejoining us some other time.

    JVW (42615e)

  22. After all these massacres — regardless of political side — how much new stuff do you REALLY need to read to have a useful opinion?

    LYT (57a3fe)

  23. @22. It wasn’t addressed to you- just a biblethumper.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. @23. The ploy is to pray, delay, defer and move on into the next cycle.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. @DCSSA, It seems like every important person or asset in America is protected by responsibly-armed people. There are a few glaring exceptions and lunatics keep demonstrating that fact. Of course, you are either too obtuse to notice or you have another agenda.

    Besides most states limit possession of firearms to 18 years and older anyway.

    WarEagle82 (2b3d34)

  26. @26. It’s lunacy alright.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


  27. ….. and without the middle man taking a cut in the collection plate.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/14/2018 @ 7:00 pm


    Wow, you get your religion wholesale. Interesting that you think “the collection plate” goes to something other than helping others. What church did you attend where they used collection for such nefarious dealings you feel compelled to deny Christian generosity to them? Were they helping the poor or buying bombs for Iran?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  28. @28. Who needs an operator when you can dial direct. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Every religion is intolerant and exclusive of all other religions, and DCSCA’s seems to be no exception. I can’t fault him for believing his Church is The Only True One when I feel the same about mine. Also, my Church frowns on proselytizing, so “like whatever” as far as I’m concerned.

    nk (dbc370)

  30. At this point, I think DCSCA is correct about thinning the heard. I suggest he start with himself. If things don’t improve after he’s done so we can see about arming the school children.

    WarEagle82 (2b3d34)

  31. @30. Who says intolerant? You. Who says what works for me, works for me: me.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. It is bull crap. Along w/moments of silence and candlelight weep sessions. you wanna stop your kid getting Wayne LaPierred going to school, you know what to start doing– and frigging ‘praying’ isn’t it.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/14/2018 @ 6:36 pm

    More Jesus Christ in everyone’s life and less hatred towards Him would do a lot to solve these problems.

    May God protect and welcome those innocents that were murdered.

    NJRob (e3503c)

  33. @31. See 21 and pray on your own; lock and load!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. Personally, I blame the guy that killed, not the tool he used, LaPierre, people praying, the school, or anyone else.

    Well, maybe Satan. He’s responsible for evil in the world.

    But mostly the killer.

    TheBas (6724fa)

  35. More Jesus Christ in everyone’s life and less hatred towards Him would do a lot to solve these problems.

    Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. A man’s gotta know his limitations… right, ASPCA?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  37. Peace be unto you who proclaims the Holy Gospel of Saint Sarah of Brady, DCSCA. I said the RELIGIONS are exclusive and intolerant, not their respective believers.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. With all the TV ASPCA watches, he’s seen it all, Hoagie.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. 10… No, nk, Romney will win handily. Which will be a good thing, all things considered.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. But mostly the killer.

    True, but if Donald Trump had just kept his campaign promise, the poor victims would still be alive:

    “The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th, 2017, safety will be restored.”
    – Donald Trump, Republican National Convention, July 21, 2016

    It’s appalling that he’s never held to account for that promise, and so many others.

    Dave (445e97)

  41. Dave, you should charge Trump instead of letting him live in your head rent free.

    Send him a bill already!

    TheBas (6724fa)

  42. There will be time enough for campaigning I wonder how much they will attempt to cover with apillow

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. If it’s Wednesday, it’s chicken on the menu for ConDave. Yes, just another day… another chicken that won’t be crossing the road… at least, under its own power…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. @40. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    47% chance of change.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. @42

    You’re right – expecting politicians to keep their promises, and criticizing them when they don’t, has no place in a republic.

    We should just cheer when they promise the absurd or impossible to con us into voting for them, and then forget their promises and let them do as they please, without any accountability, once they get into office.

    Dave (445e97)

  46. By the way Dave, what was the context of that promise? Like, maybe, the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore?

    Seem any of those since he was elected?

    Or do you seriously imagine he promised all crime would end?

    TheBas (6724fa)

  47. ConDave is still smarting over his wasted vote for Crooked Hillary…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  48. seen, not seem…

    TheBas (6724fa)

  49. Speaking of smarting, ConDave is still peeved about getting tossed from that all-gurl band in Knightsbridge…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. There was inauguration day. But a couple of hundred were arrested, and actually charged, and then they stopped.

    Promise kept!

    TheBas (6724fa)

  51. While everyone will be focused on the means the killer used, mostly because tyrants in waiting hate an armed citizen, I have a more pertinent question.

    What kind of mind/mood altering drugs was he on?

    TheBas (6724fa)

  52. DC wants to shoot the SS guards. Spray but don’t pray.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  53. Why was he never involuntarily committed? That would have made it legal to remove his firearms.

    Ingot9455 (baffca)

  54. DAE think a high school with 3,300 kids is ridiculous?

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  55. They can be that large, specially in the more populous counties.

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. Or do you seriously imagine he promised all crime would end?

    I don’t have to imagine it – it is right there in the text of his acceptance speech.

    Here is the entire section (which was the opening of his speech):

    Together, we will lead our party back to the White House, and we will lead our country back to safety, prosperity, and peace. We will be a country of generosity and warmth. But we will also be a country of law and order.

    Our Convention occurs at a moment of crisis for our nation. The attacks on our police, and the terrorism in our cities, threaten our very way of life. Any politician who does not grasp this danger is not fit to lead our country.

    Americans watching this address tonight have seen the recent images of violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally, some have even been its victims.

    I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored.

    The most basic duty of government is to defend the lives of its own citizens. Any government that fails to do so is a government unworthy to lead.

    (emphasis added)

    Plenty of attacks on police, violence in streets, terrorism in cities and chaos in communities since January 20, 2017. Including today.

    Judge him by the standard he himself proclaimed: unworthy to lead.

    Dave (445e97)

  57. ConDave is still smarting over his wasted vote for Crooked Hillary…

    Unlike you, I voted for a conservative.

    Dave (445e97)

  58. Mine was over 4,000. It had its own police force complete with a detective/youth officer detached from the Chicago PD, not rent-a-cops.

    nk (dbc370)

  59. . Every kid should be showing up for class packing heat w/their lunch money and smartphones. That way a real shoot out in the early grades can thin the herd.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/14/2018 @ 6:55 pm

    Many of us who didn’t grow up in the packed NE remember ROTC gun ranges in the HS basement and full gun racks in pick up trucks and SUV’s in the parking lot.

    Interestingly enough, when kids got in fights they got ISS, not $750 tickets and a court date.

    But once one person landed the triple axel all the crazy a$$holes knew what was possible.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  60. Mine was over 4,000. It had its own police force complete with a detective/youth officer detached from the Chicago PD, not rent-a-cops.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/14/2018 @ 8:25 pm

    Mine was fewer than 750, for a 6 year high school, in prime real estate in Manhattan.

    It’s why I can ignore our ignorant trolls most of the time. I grew up surrounded by them.

    NJRob (e3503c)

  61. Thanks Dave for posting the context I mentioned above.

    You silly man you.

    TheBas (6724fa)

  62. One problem may be independent school districts which have no provision for real cops from the local police force to patrol the school as they would any other neighborhood.

    nk (dbc370)

  63. Mine was over 4,000. It had its own police force complete with a detective/youth officer detached from the Chicago PD, not rent-a-cops.

    nk, you are over 60 years old, aren’t you? Your school (and I’m guessing busing hadn’t started yet) had its own police force in the early/mid-70’s? Wow.

    Dave (445e97)

  64. In Wyoming mr nk’s high school is the 20th largest city. Slight exaggeration.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  65. Six year High School sounds like the prequel to Van Wilder.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  66. My Wyoming HS graduating class was 67 100% undiversified students. Plenty of gun racks in the parking lot. 0 fights in my time there. That I know of at least, and I think I would have known.

    TheBas (6724fa)

  67. Wow, you get your religion wholesale. Interesting that you think “the collection plate” goes to something other than helping others. What church did you attend where they used collection for such nefarious dealings you feel compelled to deny Christian generosity to them? Were they helping the poor or buying bombs for Iran?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 2/14/2018 @ 7:25 pm

    Whether here or in Church, nobody is forcing him to contribute. Obviously.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  68. Mine was 400 w/a dress code; coats and ties required. The 60’s sparked a week of blue jean rebellions warranting a 3 day suspension for all.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. Every religion is intolerant and exclusive of all other religions, and DCSCA’s seems to be no exception. I can’t fault him for believing his Church is The Only True One when I feel the same about mine. Also, my Church frowns on proselytizing, so “like whatever” as far as I’m concerned.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/14/2018 @ 7:34 pm

    His religion seems to be preaching going door to door collecting guns so I have a real problem with that. But he probably won’t “be bold”, “I stand at your door and knock,” IYKWIM.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  70. @71. My religion doesn’t preach to anyone, PP. Try it sometime and discover contentment.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. My Wyoming HS graduating class was 67 100% undiversified students. Plenty of gun racks in the parking lot. 0 fights in my time there. That I know of at least, and I think I would have known.

    TheBas (6724fa) — 2/14/2018 @ 8:38 pm

    The Heck You Say. NCHS grad here. Undiversified…that’s as much a time as a place. I’m going to strike Washakie, Hot Springs, Fremont, Goshen and Carbon Counties. How am I doing so far?

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  72. Your school (and I’m guessing busing hadn’t started yet) had its own police force in the early/mid-70’s? Wow.

    Its own precinct, if you prefer. They were Chicago PD cops stationed full-time at the school, with their own office in the administration area.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. 70… this post reeks of butch wax and Jan and Dean…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. Kings county seat. That’s a number 12 on the licence plate.

    TheBas (6724fa)

  75. Government intervention isn’t preaching. It’s just telling you how you should live.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  76. Six year High School sounds like the prequel to Van Wilder.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7) — 2/14/2018 @ 8:34 pm

    Ha. 7th thru 12th grades. Figure those on here from NYC probably know which school I’m referencing.

    NJRob (e3503c)

  77. Oops, silly me, Lincoln county seat. Kings county (not WY) was where I went next.

    All very long ago.

    TheBas (6724fa)

  78. Kings county seat. That’s a number 12 on the licence plate.

    TheBas (6724fa) — 2/14/2018 @ 8:54 pm

    I can’t be 100% I’ve even been to that county, 4A HS graduate and all that. Good to know you though. Wyoming was a great place to grow up.

    You know it just had to be some nihilistic SSRI popping a$$holes from Denver proper who would help get this mess kicked off.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  79. My senior year in high school, one of my classmates – a brooding, James Dean sort – decided he’d had enough and rode his chopper at an estimated 70 mph into the side wall of the school gym during second period. I will never forget the sound of that bike as it roared past our classroom. They held us all in our classrooms for an hour or so that day to allow for the police investigation and clean-up work.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  80. @76. No, just biscuits and hard cheese; Lennox Gardens, Chelsea.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. One problem may be independent school districts which have no provision for real cops from the local police force to patrol the school as they would any other neighborhood.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/14/2018 @ 8:30 pm

    That leads into the number one policing problem in the county: no time for backup.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  82. 83… cheeky monkey…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. @83 No, just biscuits and hard cheese; Lennox Gardens, Chelsea.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/14/2018 @ 9:05 pm

    Definition of biscuit shooter
    slang
    : a cook or waiter especially in a camp or on a ranch

    Too soon?

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  84. According to Owen Wister, it was a waitress at a railroad stop diner.

    nk (dbc370)

  85. Good to know you Pinandpuller. Yes, Wyoming was a great place to grow up. It’s like a different world looking back on it. I wonder if the HS still has a student smoking room.

    TheBas (6724fa)

  86. @87 nk

    I had my water pump go out in Como Bluffs at nearly midnight. A brother and sister from North Dakota driving The Mystery Machine picked me up and drove me into Medicine Bow. I called my dad from some bar or “railroad stop diner” and he said, “Well, since they’re heading this way just ride on to town with them.”

    Reason #XXXXX I live 1,400 miles away.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  87. Good to know you Pinandpuller. Yes, Wyoming was a great place to grow up. It’s like a different world looking back on it. I wonder if the HS still has a student smoking room.

    TheBas (6724fa) — 2/14/2018 @ 9:17 pm

    Yours had a room? Oh, we used to dream of having a room. Actually I was a jock so no smoking. Our HS had Smoker’s Alley. Between the main school and the industrial building. That’s usually where the fights took place, and there were some.

    Strangely enough a tobacco shop opened up at the Eastridge Mall. Kids started bringing snuff to school. I actually did some in study hall my senior year but I didn’t really think about it as using tobacco. It’s probably one of the best ways to administer the product though, before obnoxious clouds of water vapor came along. It’s way better than dipping.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  88. You may not know this Colonel Haiku but Shane Black went to HS with you.

    Proof

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  89. Yeah, I wasn’t a smoker either. Tried snuff, but couldn’t hang. Nasty stuff. Lots of guys did though, my best friend always had a lip full and never even spit. He was about the only kid that could use it in class.

    TheBas (6724fa)

  90. my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

    WAPO

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  91. The United States Army will no longer require recruits to show they can throw hand grenades 25 meters because many of them can’t throw the explosive far enough, it revealed on Friday.

    The Army says that starting next summer it will remove the requirement from its Basic Combat Training because it takes too much time to teach enlistees to throw grenades at an adequagrenade-far-enough.

    Daily Mail

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  92. An Everett teen who was arrested on investigation of attempted murder Tuesday noted in his journal that he’d learned from other mass school shootings, wanted to make the body count as high as possible and wrote he couldn’t “wait to walk into that class and blow all those (expletives) away,” according to police.
    The 18-year-old student was arrested at ACES High School after his grandmother called police to report that she had read a few pages of her grandson’s journal and was alarmed, according to the document of probable cause submitted by the Snohomish County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office.

    Really? ACES High?

    Seattle Times

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  93. Being beaten in the homecoming game against Full House High every year sours by your senior year.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  94. Jacks Or Better High to open this coming semester.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  95. Dueces Wild Continuation School is having staffing problems.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  96. Did you go to James Butler Hickok High mr papertiger?

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  97. You are a card, mr papertiger. Marked perhaps. I hope not.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  98. Hey, what if Hollywood stopped glorifying guns, drugs, sex and violence?

    Muh rights are being violated!

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  99. Back in my day we had a word for a Marine who couldn’t throw a grenade 25 meters.

    Well, actually we didn’t have a word for that because only communists throw grenades in meters. We threw our grenades in American yards.

    But if we did have a word for a hypothetical Marine who couldn’t throw a grenade further than his age, that word would be Sailor.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  100. Homocides per 100,000 personal acquaintances of the Clinton family are pushing Zimbabwe level.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  101. YouTube recommends video related to articles I read. That’s a kind of being marked.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  102. It’s weird that this kid was adopted, uprooted from Long Island and then both of his adoptive parents died.

    Pinandpuller (fc5dd7)

  103. Nk,was the ?? district HQ on Belmont/Clybourn/Western there when you went or was Riverview (Amusement Park) still being dismantled?

    urbanleftbehind (d74249)

  104. The latter I guess, urbanleftbehind. Lane was still Town Hall District at Halsted and Addison.

    nk (dbc370)

  105. The sole electricity plant in the Gaza Strip stopped working Thursday because of a lack of fuel, officials said, as concerns grew over worsening humanitarian conditions in the Palestinian enclave.

    ohnoes cold pop tarts for breakfast :(

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. It’s a good thing those Palestinians are not human beings with nervous systems like ours, otherwise they might be suffering.

    nk (dbc370)

  107. The Propagandists are beating their gunz drumz but what will they do about unlimited capacity machetes and hatchet?

    Mental health is the underlying issue boneheads.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  108. Tobacco use came up here and that’s a perfect example of others knowing what’s better for you and compassionately, they remind you their activism is motivated by their compelling concern for your health, even if you’re too stupid to appreciate it.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  109. Of course, conservatives lack their own clear path. Reverse the charges just over a decade ago.
    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/02/15/progressives-must-stop-using-terror-to-try-and-intimidate-conservatives-n2448847

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  110. Spittle-flecked diatribes don’t persuade the phear of gunz. Get a viable strategy for rational argument. Freedom is messy and inefficient. Neaten up the message.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  111. Is the Florida Cruz family tree large and diverse?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  112. Palestinians are a rudimentary, extremely debased human subspecies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  113. The first phrase I want to remove..

    keep you safe

    No one. Nowhere. No how can ever keep you safe. Keep yourself safe.

    Be vigilant.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  114. Enough, up that tree, Ben. He could literally be anything, being adopted out of Long Island, plus the fact that every possible subgroup of Latinos plus native Spaniards is represented in South Florida.

    And a typical, no mailman/milkman kids, large nuclear Cuban-American family can be diverse as hell in skin tones and apparent racial lineage, but in this case is not germane (until more is known).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  115. Very well urban.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  116. We must ban scary- looking guns.

    Yup! That’ll do it.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  117. When the SHTF where will the Sheriff you support be?

    At home protecting his family.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  118. Let me make this abstract discussion clearer with an example. Let us suppose that you consider the correct ideal theory to be of the broadly speaking Rawlsian, social-democratic, liberal egalitarian variety. Suppose that you endorse it because you think that it constitutes the best balance of different things which you deeply value. You think, for instance, that we should try as much as possible to live in a society where everybody has the same opportunities to live a flourishing life and where we all treat one another as equals; but you also think that personal freedom is important, and that honouring the latter will necessarily hinder the former somewhat. For instance, you believe that free choices will necessarily lead people to reach different, sometimes unequal positions; and in particular, you think that personal freedom requires having some sort of market society, which is incompatible with perfect equality. Thus, you conclude that justice is honoured when we reach the ideal balance among these different values; and that, say, a strongly embedded form of capitalism – a social-democracy – is the best way to realize such an ideal.

    http://crookedtimber.org/2018/02/09/on-being-radical-for-non-ideal-reasons/#more-43856

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  119. Settle down, Ben. You haVe 8 of the 10 recent comments. We get it, you are the Great Cornholio. Now lay off the sugary cereals and give someone else a chance.

    Patterico (da0cad)

  120. Instead.of lazily extorting citizens to be confidential informants who keep themselves out of jail by entrapping others, maybe the FBI should get their gumshoes on…

    “I’m going to be a professional school shooter,” said a user named Nikolas Cruz.

    The YouTuber, 36-year-old Ben Bennight, alerted the FBI, emailing a screenshot of the comment to the bureau’s tips account. He also flagged the comment to YouTube, which removed it from the video.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/the-fbi-was-warned-about-a-school-shooting-threat-from?utm_term=.mvQBB8w69#.dj1ZZyPqv

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  121. I see you need fiber Patterico. Do you have thoughts on the subject?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  122. our president will do thoughts on this for you today Mr. burn, specifically President Donald Trump

    i intend to adopt his point of view on this once he shares it in an hour and a half or so

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  123. His verbal diarrhea isn’t going to stop. He just lies and lies. It’s what he does. Of course, insulting the host is usually unwise, but that doesn’t faze him.

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  124. This is another vindication of Narciso’s flair for whataboutism. Complain all you will about it, but it could have saved lives in this case.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  125. Well, maybe Satan. He’s responsible for evil in the world.

    He encourages, enthusiastically. We are responsible. It’s that ridiculous free will thing.

    phunctor (034f5b)

  126. “you wanna stop your kid getting Wayne LaPierred……”

    Never go full Jimmy Kimmel.

    harkin (8256c3)

  127. I think teh Rear Admiral may be chewing teh khat again…

    Colonel Haiku (1d71cc)

  128. i love guns a lot they’re the #1 best defense against these “active shooter” people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  129. remember beenburned
    call Big Lou he’s just like you
    he’s on teh meds too

    Colonel Haiku (1d71cc)

  130. “I’m certain I’m closer to and at peace w/my God than you’ll ever be.

    It sure sounds like you are.

    harkin (8256c3)

  131. “Last fall, a Mississippi bail bondsman and frequent YouTube vlogger noticed an alarming comment left on one of his videos. “I’m going to be a professional school shooter,” said a user named Nikolas Cruz.

    The YouTuber, 36-year-old Ben Bennight, alerted the FBI, emailing a screenshot of the comment to the bureau’s tips account as well as calling the Mississippi FBI field office. He also flagged the comment to YouTube, which removed it from the video.”

    harkin (8256c3)

  132. Why was he never involuntarily committed? That would have made it legal to remove his firearms.

    Ingot9455 (baffca) — 2/14/2018 @ 8:18 pm

    This can be abused and the remedy involves human beings using objective modalities . This is usually difficult.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  133. Be careful Harkin. You don’t want that sugary cereal.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  134. Why was he never involuntarily committed? That would have made it legal to remove his firearms.
    Ingot9455

    Very difficult to do legally. The “civil rights” lawyers of today have seen to that. For instance, one pro bono group has promised to sue any county that implements Laura’s Law.

    My suggestion: A citizen can go to the police with suspicions about a potential killer. The cops bring it to the City Attorney/DA and they file an OSC if appropriate why the person should not be barred from possession of guns or other weaponry.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  135. Whatever cereal you prefer, dont eat it in the same style as this guy (ff to 1:20 or so).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  136. The “civil rights” lawyers of today have seen to that.

    They are deplorable

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  137. Don’t sit in my broken chair urban. You’ll have to eat almond roca with your approved cereal.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  138. Why was he never involuntarily committed? That would have made it legal to remove his firearms.

    For the same reason that paranoid schizophrenics are called “homeless”. There’s no place to put them. The lunatic asylums mental health treatment centers now are largely the county jails and in order for someone to be put there he has to commit a jailable offense.

    nk (dbc370)

  139. The disastrous federal bureau of incompetence should have quit trying to frame Trump and do their job of protecting Americans. The FBI is a loser flock of sh!t.

    mg (765e6a)

  140. the secretary of the treasury’s kind of a useless ass maggot as well

    these fascist goldman sachs nutsucks need to stay in their lane

    how many times do we have to remind them before it’s clear they’re just being obnoxious on purpose

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  141. President Trump’s so sweet how much he cares about everybody, especially people who are alone and troubled

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. an expelled student returned to campus and opened fire

    Sounds like workplace violence (‘going Postal’) except applied to a school.

    some students were already wary of Cruz:

    They thought so, but then in a way, they didn’t think so.

    What could be helpful is something designed to bring such thoughts to the fore and alert people, except what exactly do you do when the problem is you don’t trust someone not to kill people. Maybe take away his guns.

    I had this idea of someone needing to get approval from 10 people, at least three of the opposite sex, who would say this person knows how to use it, or will learn, does not intend to commit a crime, and won’t let it get stolen.

    And if it used in a crime within three years, they pay $1,000 – and can’t underwrite any one else, (maybe for a limited term, or maybe there can be extenuating circumstances)

    What it would be is they write an insurance policy. If people withdraw from the insurance and the gun owner cannot find a replacement he loses his guns. Maybe one or two can drop off but the payout rises for the remainder.

    No psychologist can predict this. Only the people who know the person in question can predict this.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  143. Bulloney they aren’t identifiable or predictable.

    Agent Fitzgerald caught UNABOMBER using linguistic forensic profiling.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  144. I had a thought listening to the news last night:

    Why is this national news? This is local story.

    And there’s problem with this being national news. It causes copy cats.

    And the preparation also made it worse.

    This school made some plans in the case of school shooter. The shooter knew that. He knew the plans.

    So he thought and thought, and he said to himself:

    ” I know a way to prevent a lockdown.

    Pull the fire alarm!

    That will get people out of the classrooms. And what’s more, I know exactly where they will go. They’ll be sitting ducks.”

    And so it was.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  145. This worked even though there had already been a fire drill earlier that day

    And whoever heard of a school doing TWO fire drills on the same day.

    But still, nobody was skeptical enough. Nobody ignored the fire drill.

    They should stop fire drills that don’t come with verbal annoiuncements ove rthe public address system.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  146. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 8:36 am

    Agent Fitzgerald caught UNABOMBER using linguistic forensic profiling

    ???

    People who didn’t klnow him made wrong guesses in the profiule.

    What worked was printed the manifesto.

    His brother recognized his writing.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  147. ” I’m closer to and at peace w/my God than you’ll ever be.”
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/14/2018 @ 7:00 pm

    We obviously do not worship the same god. In which case I completely agree with you. I will never be at peace with a false god. Good luck with that.

    felipe (5b25e2)

  148. All correct but needing some flesh on that bone sir. Watch the 8 part series on netflix

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  149. And there’s a problem with this being national news. It causes copy cats.

    the CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts understand this very very well

    it’s baked into their business model

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  150. NJRob (e3503c) — 2/14/2018 @ 7:41 pm
    amen.

    felipe (5b25e2)

  151. There are a few things that could have minimized, if not stopped this:

    1. Get rid of these firearms that can fire lots of shots ion a short time.

    2. Eliminate fire drills called by a fire alarm. Maybe eliminate fire alarms.

    3. Don’t rehearse too much. A potential shooter may be aware of your plans and figure out a way to counter them

    4. Get people to act on the suspicions or distrust that have of someone when it is that they think he might kill people.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  152. Fitzgerald was a ground breaker

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiolect

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  153. The death penalty deters, but not everyone, but the death penalty, or the prospect of life imprisonment, should not be underestimated.

    There’d be plenty more of this without the prospect that doing this ends someone’s normal life.

    But sometimes it does not deter, especially if someone intends to commit suicide. The only thing is that here, this person looks like he did not intend to commit suicide. So why did he go ahead?

    It is possible he had other secondary targets (although usually it is the mass shooting that is the secondary target) and he really did accept that his life ends.

    Could be also that when faced with the moment of truth, he decided not to kill himself, like that person in South Carolina who shot the people in a church.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  154. NJRob and Felipe. Do you hate me as.much as Patterico?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  155. That’s a lot of whataboutery

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  156. Yes Sammy, he got fingered by his brother.

    Yes Ben, Netflix-not DIY.

    Pinandpuller (4bdc74)

  157. 161. It was David Kaczynski, not some law enforcement person, who identified Theodore John Kaczynski as the Unabomber (or more exactly, as the person who wrote the manifesto. He thought maybe he had written for someone else)

    Who is this Fitzgerald? Your link doesn’t say anything.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  158. Sammy…..read baby!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  159. The FBI never shoots a suspect when you really need them too.

    Pinandpuller (4bdc74)

  160. FBI resisted the theoretical idea nut Fitz was obsessed.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  161. The FBI continues to fire blanks.

    mg (765e6a)

  162. get those fbi clowns out of here this is a serious crime scene

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  163. @71. My religion doesn’t preach to anyone, PP. Try it sometime and discover contentment.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 2/14/2018 @ 8:48 pm

    And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone.”
    Mk 16:15

    Definitely not the same god.

    felipe (5b25e2)

  164. Preach, but don’t practice

    I’m just a barbarian so Christians like Patterico feel compelled toward gratuitous attacks out of rank insecurity .

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  165. ASPCA’s religion is progressivism and if he isn’t preaching it every single day on these pages, well, he must be soapboxing instead.

    Colonel Haiku (1d71cc)

  166. Our Lady of the Arclight.

    Pinandpuller (4bdc74)

  167. He’s old enough His Master’s Voice could be a Victrola.

    Pinandpuller (4bdc74)

  168. Ach th lieber!

    A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  169. Didn’t the Hypochondriac’s epitaph read

    I Told You I Was Sick

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  170. Pin: what say you about Pattericos drive-by assassination attempts?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  171. Is it unseemly, or am I being too sensitive?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  172. White Supremacists must be relaxing the membership standards.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  173. Cruz is more white than Elizabeth Warren is Indian I suppose.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  174. I don’t ever try to speak for the host. I don’t want that kind of responsibility.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  175. Apparently, neither does he.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  176. harkin @140: The YouTuber, 36-year-old Ben Bennight, alerted the FBI, emailing a screenshot of the comment to the bureau’s tips account as well as calling the Mississippi FBI field office.

    The FBI is too busy trying to overturn an election. Priorities.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  177. The death penalty deters, but not everyone, but the death penalty, or the prospect of life imprisonment, should not be underestimated.

    Being buried alive in a 6×8 supermax cell is pretty terrible, too.

    But this guy went to the school expecting to die and then found a way to exit. I doubt he had further plans than that. I hope that whatever happens to him is as “Room 101″ as possible.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  178. My general advice to anyone is if you don’t want to dig your own grave, stop digging.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  179. Aren’t your posts designed to elicit thinking, pin? That’s me as well so it is rather suspiciously like suppression.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  180. Not overt you understand, but nevertheless…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  181. 167. Read what?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  182. My general advice is not to show up to the grave digging party with a back hoe.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  183. You get a free ride, yet still you complain. How am I not surprised.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  184. 140.

    The YouTuber, 36-year-old Ben Bennight, alerted the FBI, emailing a screenshot of the comment to the bureau’s tips account as well as calling the Mississippi FBI field office. He also flagged the comment to YouTube, which removed it from the video.”

    Why did they do that>

    That only ensured nobody else would pay any attention to it.

    I assume YouTube assumed Nikolas Cruz couldn’t possibly be serious.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  185. Sammy:read 157

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  186. Pin:I thought better of you. I am so sorry.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  187. And maybe he wasn’t.

    A professional school shooter means someone who does it more than once.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  188. 157 refers to Netfkix

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  189. Yes Sammy. Scroll down a few and there’s a link too.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  190. 170. MANHUNT

    https://www.netflix.com/title/80176878

    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 9:03 am

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  191. Faced with few clues and an increasingly panicked public, the FBI calls on a new kind of profiler to help track down the infamous Unabomber.

    The brother was key but Fitz was indispensable..
    ..Im sure you’ll see it .

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  192. Pin at 183, it’s Florida…theyll take what they get, and they may have waivers for the Ice Cream test (to detect lactose intolerance, an indicator of inferior Mediterranean genes). It also possible, given his rather ethnically ambiguous look, he might have trolled opposing groups looking for the one willing to fund and train him.

    urbanleftbehind (d74249)

  193. That’s me as well so it is rather suspiciously like suppression.
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/15/2018 @ 11:03 am

    Help! Help! I’m being oppressed!

    Oh wait, I can still comment… never mind.

    *jackass victim-claimer*

    Stashiu3 (466cdf)

  194. I wish I had hit upon the digging graves theme before I met that Bosnian guy just now. I’ve never seen the record skip IRLk before.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  195. Wow, who knew my ex-wife had inferior Mediterranean genes? Not her dad, who got cut open like a fish in the Philippines for dropping the N word one too many times. And I don’t mean My Navy, My Navy.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  196. 140.

    The FBI did investigate but was not able to track down who posted that comment. If YouTube did anything to cut off his access they ddin’t make things any easier. YouTube seems to have followed the motto: If you see something…

    …delete it.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/nikolas-cruz-fbi-warned/index.html

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  197. I don’t know what my comments provoke as long as it’s not a visit from LEO’s.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  198. The FBI was not able to find him even though he used his real name.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  199. I mean there must be 100 Nikolas Cruz’s in the country…

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  200. My review from Ben Burn went from Five Stars to Three. Sad face.

    I’ll be happy to migrate to his no holds barred blog as soon as I see his name glow Uru Kai.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  201. There’s one thing that does make the Parkland massacre unusual. Of the 10 deadliest mass shootings, Cruz is the only suspected gunman who escaped, survived and will likely face trial — giving the public a chance to learn why the massacre happened.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ar-15-story.html

    One profile assessed in that vacuum seems very arbitrary for any true picture of a type. But hopefully..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  202. I think the top three modern mass school shootings (with the most victims killed) are Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, and now this Florida shooting. All three shooters reportedly had mental illness issues.

    Virginia Tech:

    Fairfax County school officials determined that Seung Hui Cho suffered from an anxiety disorder so severe that they put him in special education and devised a plan to help, according to sources familiar with his history, but Virginia Tech was never told of the problem
    ***
    Cho’s family said he was always a quiet, reserved child. After he emigrated with his parents from South Korea when he was 8, a great-aunt in Korea said the boy’s mother told her he had autism. “We knew something was wrong,” the aunt, Kim Yang Soon, said in April.

    Sandy Hook:

    When Adam was thirteen, Peter and Nancy took him to Paul J. Fox, a psychiatrist, who gave a diagnosis of Asperger’s syndrome (a category that the American Psychiatric Association has since subsumed into the broader diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder). Peter and Nancy finally knew what they were up against. “It was communicated as ‘Adam, this is good news. This is why you feel this way, and now we can do something about it,’ ” Peter recalled. But Adam would not accept the diagnosis.

    Florida:

    Another relative, who spoke on condition of anonymity over the sensitive matter, said Nikolas had been diagnosed with autism.

    Lynda, who died of pneumonia, adopted Nikolas the day he was born.

    Nikolas’ father died from a heart attack, the relative said, and Lynda had sought counseling for Nikolas at a young age: “She did her best getting him any help he needed.”

    It’s a real concern but not something many want to consider.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  203. 210

    100? Statistics show about 2 percent of population is psychopathic, wouldn’t mentally ill not institutionalized be a greater number?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  204. I think maybe Fitzgerald was prepared to be an expert witness at the trial of Ted Kaczynski.

    The FBI profilers (who looked at the earlier writings) did get a few things right, particularly that the Unabomber was from Chicagio, but never identified him. They thought he might be black man.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  205. Yes there does seem to be a pattern inside a narrow range of autism/aspergers sufferers

    narciso (d1f714)

  206. 212. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ar-15-story.html

    Of the 10 deadliest mass shootings, Cruz is the only suspected gunman who escaped, survived and will likely face trial…

    I think he must have studied all the previous ones.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  207. Yes the FBI scrooed the pooch on their rigid approach and superiors continually undermined his progress. Thank God because he prepared another bomb before arrest.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  208. Drj

    Learnings from Lanza?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  209. No matter what tools are available such persons will acquire.

    Poison gas, machete, box cutter. Mental health emphasis will change with time but it will be decades after you see improvement. It’s not the instrument , it’s the man.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  210. @156. You wouldn’t know. I do.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  211. 218. They were pretty rigid in this case to.

    They couldn’t find the Nikolas Cruz who had posted the comment on video blogger Ben Bennight’s YouTube video saying “Im going to be a professional school shooter,” although I don’t know what they would have done woth him if they had found him. Maybe forced him to deny he meant it.

    And YouTube deleted the comment after Ben Bennight contacted them, so that nobody else could raise the alert.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  212. Everyone needs to be trained..cops,teachers, everyone.

    While the district was satisfied as long as Lanza kept earning credits, it virtually ignored his social and emotional development. In fact, the report says the district mislabeled Lanza in his crucial high school special education plan — entirely ignoring the more apt eligibility categories of autism and emotional disturbance. The district declined an interview.

    https://www.npr.org/2014/12/14/370378176/two-years-later-still-learning-from-sandy-hook

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  213. And the broward sheriffs office received a tip two years ago.

    narciso (d1f714)

  214. Sammy: They are mostly bureaucrats and I hope they’ve drained some of the stump water of the 90s (ETC, WACO ETC) but they are still stunted plotters who don’t take risks as Fitz continually did.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  215. The family is still “shocked,” he said, that Cruz would allegedly engage in mass violence.

    “They indicated they saw nothing like this coming,” Lewis said. “They never saw any anger, no bad feelings about the school.”

    So the school knew more than the family (although since both parents are apparently deceased, you have to wonder what ‘family’ means here).
    Also they apparently had no problem with him owning an AR-15 even though he was once found with live ammo on campus and was prohibited from being on-campus with a backpack and some students described him as ‘psycho’.

    harkin (8256c3)

  216. Dedicated, true public servants rising to positions of influence nearly anywhere is hard to find. The ruthless Bastard’s always steal the deal.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  217. I think Rob Porter’s first ex-wife was more concerned that he was a ruthless bastard than that he had beaten her ten years before..

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  218. 226. harkin (8256c3) — 2/15/2018 @ 1:08 pm

    apparently had no problem with him owning an AR-15

    Do we know that he actually, legally, owned one?

    even though he was once found with live ammo on campus and was prohibited from being on-campus with a backpack and some students described him as ‘psycho’

    Well, they expelled him, and they thought their job was done.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  219. “Do we know that he actually, legally, owned one?

    — –

    “They were aware that Cruz was in possession of a military-style assault weapon, he said, which two law enforcement officials tell ABC News was legally purchased by Cruz within the past year from a federally licensed dealer. They insisted that it be locked in a safe.

    “He brought it into the home and it was in a locked gun safe,” Lewis said. “That was the condition when he came into their home that the gun was locked away.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-school-shooting-suspect/story?id=53092753

    harkin (8256c3)

  220. Sammy

    Maybe she thought Kelly/Trump should have discovered and ejected the SOB by now.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  221. I took this from some of the words she is quoted as saying. I don’t think her worry was that he was a bad example to men.

    As for beating her that came out as matter of course in the FBI interviews.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  222. Sessions is on it.

    “I was with the Major County Sheriffs’ Association this morning, and they all said, and believe, that there are signals and signs before these shootings that, if recognized, could lead to intervention, and could stop these events from occurring.”

    Attorney General Sessions spoke with Breitbart News just minutes after President Donald Trump had addressed the nation

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  223. Rob Porter was now seeing (at least) two women. One woman complained to the White House counsel that she had discovered that he was also dating Hope Hicks.

    But it seems like he had stopped beating his wives and girlfriends.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  224. I hope his signals and signs are well designed.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  225. You can’t do too much if you predict 10,000 of the next four school shooters.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  226. Really, Sammy?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  227. Interesting point.

    Knew that YouTube’s stick their nose in Buttinski-ism would come in handy and that they’d manage to fumble the football

    papertiger (c8116c)

  228. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-shooting.html

    • The AR-15 rifle used in the attack was purchased legally, at Sunrise Tactical Supply in Florida, according to a federal law enforcement official. “No laws were violated in the procurement of this weapon,” said Peter J. Forcelli, the special agent in charge for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Miami.

    But by whom?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  229. The fact taht the attack wass carried out on Valentine’s Day might not be a coincidence, according to the leader of a white nationalist group, Republic of Florida, who said he thought Nikolas Cruz had had trouble ver a girl. he said Cruz had also participated with them in paramilitary drills.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  230. He told people he lived with “I don’t work on Valentine’s Day.” They thought nothing of it.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  231. Also Ash Wednesday.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  232. It was Diabolical.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  233. My undestanding is autism is a detachment from feeling, lack of empathy with your fellow.

    Not so much a moral ambiguity but more like a moral blindspot or numbness. The absence of.

    Then you have the media bombardment encouraging gunplay in almost every feature length entertainment.

    I can see someone unplugged from society plopped down in front of the tube thinking that “school shooter” might be a viable profession.

    Perhaps some movies and shows should be equipped with a not recommended for the autistic.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  234. He’s got the “zippy the pinhead” thing going on.

    Adopted. Zippy head. Fruitier than a nutcake. …. eh. Not enough pieces in this puzzle yet.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  235. Are you a Millenial PT?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  236. Why is Fitzgerald in the talking points today? Is he doing appearances at Books a Million?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  237. Is he going to have the DeNiro Taxi Driver poster on his cell wall or Raquel Welch One Million Years BC?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  238. Don’t bother yourself pin.

    You wouldn’t be interested

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  239. 247, that’s the cockroach of brick and mortar bookstores

    urbanleftbehind (d74249)

  240. What’s your psych profile pin?

    I am very interested in your case.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  241. But it seems like he had stopped beating his wives and girlfriends.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 2/15/2018 @ 1:31 pm

    So he could answer that question,”When did you stop beating your…?”

    Oh, well there’s Flo on my left arm and there’s Marry on my right
    And Jenny’s the girl with that I’ll be with tonight
    And when she asks me which one I love the best
    I’ll tear open my shirt and show her Rosie on my chest
    ‘Cause I’m the wanderer – yeah -the wanderer
    I roam around around around around

    Mike check, left hand, right hand…check check…

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  242. Are you a Millenial PT? Ben burn

    Why should I tell you?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  243. Sean Spencer and Berton Guster Two Thumbs Up. Juliet O’Hara Smoking Hot.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  244. So you’re not Millenial but that emotional age again?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  245. I would think a guy with a quiver full of arrows on Valentine’s Day could ef some people up.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  246. Imagine how Comedian from the Watchmen would disable a Heckler.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  247. [Edit] you too Ben.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  248. , that’s the cockroach of brick and mortar bookstores

    urbanleftbehind (d74249) — 2/15/2018 @ 2:17 pm

    So they are still around? I could do a David Caruso line but I think I can skip that today.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  249. You mean a Heckler and Koch?

    Jet Li

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  250. I’ve watched Watchmen once five or six times.

    If you’re a fan of psychological torture, and you know you are Ben, you should enjoy Hard Candy

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  251. Patrick Wilson has a lot of bad things happen to his movie nuts.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  252. Yeah, at a local outlet mall across the tollway from me. The Chicago Loop one went pffft about a year ago.

    I suppose David Caruso character from CSI Miami would be a little bit busy today, good call.

    urbanleftbehind (d74249)

  253. You’re your own worst Game Contestant on the Price is wrong pinhead.

    Fish for your rotten fisheads in exile.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  254. Price is Right – good autism friendly entertainment. Rarely weaponized, except by cretins.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  255. If you get around Bob Barker or Patrick Wilson your nuts are going bye bye.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  256. I see they have Cruz on suicide watch. Me, I’d give him my belt and extra shoelaces.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  257. Is there something I’m missing from Watchmen?

    Besides Eva Green.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  258. what does it mean how he wants to kill himself now but not when he had a gun

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  259. The genius rebels do realize it’s important to get into the Cruz melon?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  260. I digress..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  261. i don’t understand the eva green thing but i saw where jackie earle haley got a part in Alita

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  262. Eva is usually relegated to the sequel.

    So what flavor Jello is Arkham serving tonight, Ben?

    Monsters in the gelatin!!!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  263. Casper van dien Shirley they can’t be serious,

    narciso (d1f714)

  264. Remember when Jeff fahey, had a career.

    narciso (d1f714)

  265. rick gates is just collateral damage so corrupt fbi slutboy robert mueller has something to point to that can justify the hundreds of millions he’s spent on his inept and cowardly coup attempt

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  266. You might be thinking about the Sin City sequal.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  267. Just leave him unattended with the Yanks or the Zoe Pound.

    urbanleftbehind (d74249)

  268. http://www.newser.com/story/255434/cops-teen-held-coin-toss-to-pick-what-wash-school-to-target.html

    What is he = Haman?

    What is he – on;y asting lots for the target, but not for the date??

    He was arrested on Tiesday, before the St Valentine’s Day massacre,which was bigge rtahn the one Al capone did in 1929,and Al capone had a profit motive.

    Anyway, this person’s grandmother read his journal.

    He had already robbed a store with his long gun on Monday, but I thik they discovered that later.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  269. They are saying that he bought the ARr-15 himself, a year ago,

    That’s the way it usually is with these shooters. They get the weapon long in advance. Having the weapon is maybe a preconditoion for thinking about this – they don’t usually buy the qweapon as part of the plot..

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  270. They are not saying any more that he pulled the fire alarm.

    So somebody in the school administration did it?

    Nobody is taking responsibility, or is it that the media just has not gone into taht detsail? . Was this a mistake?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  271. The one who cast lots was the would-be shooter in the state of Washington. He was casting lots to decide what school to shoot up.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  272. The Florida shooter was discovered because he was wearing the same clothing.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  273. 300 and Sin City sequel. And James Bond if you give me some leeway, your honor.

    Rick Gates is a knock knock joke punch line:

    Rick Gates WHO?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  274. I started Lost Season One all over again. I think I’m gonna find Mr Fahey for you purty soon mr narciso.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  275. And kingdom of heaven but no one brings that up, the Israeli minister of justice could be her twin.

    narciso (d1f714)

  276. They are saying that he bought the ARr-15 himself, a year ago,

    Meaning, he bought it legally at age 18. Crazy but true.

    Under federal law, you also must be 21 to buy a handgun from a firearms dealer. But 18-year-olds can buy semiautomatic rifles.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/us/ar15-mass-shootings-guns.html

    random viking (6a54c2)

  277. 289, to which I say WHOA!

    urbanleftbehind (d74249)

  278. Small world eh, so the gun was legally purchased, so who is the head of the fbis cyberdivision that dropped the ball.

    narciso (d1f714)

  279. Local law enforcement sources have not found a connection between accused Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz and a Tallahassee-based paramilitary group.
    Leon County law enforcement sources told the Tallahassee Democrat that they could not find information linking Cruz, 19, to the Republic of Florida Militia, as claimed by the group’s self-proclaimed leader Jordan Jereb……

    ……“We are still doing some work but we have no known ties between the ROF, Jordan Jereb or the Broward shooter,” Jordan said….

    …….Jereb did not answer repeated phone calls following law enforcement officials saying they found little to lead them to believe Cruz was connected to the organization which has a scant following of around a dozen members.
    In a profanity-laced post hours later on a social media site, an account bearing Jereb’s name said the whole thing was a “legit misunderstanding,” saying they have more than one member named Nikolas. He also said he not slept “for like 2 days.””

    http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/

    harkin (8256c3)

  280. It is a 4chan trolling gone all too well
    http://pjmedia.com/trending/media-swallows-militia-leaders-false-claim-school-shooter-connected-white-supremacists/

    But if you wanted to spike DACA once for all, why wouldn’t you find a Spanish surnamed dupe and have him do the deed 1 county South of the New White house.

    urbanleftbehind (d74249)

  281. First, it’s not a paramilitary group. The police are paramilitary groups. These guys are clowns in camouflage.

    Second, what kind of armed resistance organization gives out the names of its members to anybody who calls them? I think it’s a fake group, organized and sponsored by the FBI, to give the FBI something they can say they infiltrated.

    nk (dbc370)

  282. Bumpkins in BDUs?

    nk (dbc370)

  283. Morons with Moisin-Nagants?

    nk (dbc370)

  284. There website suggests that, the adl who was 13 years behind the curve with ellison, sumps the shark here.

    narciso (d1f714)

  285. No wonder they got these magic bean from dees delorean emporium (splc) the one who doubt Hirsi Ali’s mutilation

    narciso (d1f714)

  286. RBe
    @RBPundit
    “We’re letting dudes with the name ‘Cruz’ in now??” – Other members of this white nationalist organization.

    — –

    spongebotski
    @spongeworthy2
    Replying to @RBPundit
    “Need the dues!”

    harkin (8256c3)

  287. The Associated Press
    @AP
    BREAKING: Leader of white nationalist group has confirmed suspect in Florida school shooting was member of his organization.

    — –

    Botty McBotface
    @JammieWF
    This is a hoax, yet they leave it up.

    harkin (8256c3)

  288. knesset –

    that word annoys me.
    It introduces doubt where once there was certainty.

    Is it pronounced nee or kenny?

    Is it pronounced no or canoe?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  289. Closer to the latter, but it’s a transliteration

    narciso (d1f714)

  290. Say “Loch Ness et five people”, without the “Lo” and “five people”.

    nk (dbc370)

  291. By Wednesday night, the top suggested search after typing “18” into Google was “18 school shootings in 2018.”

    It is a horrifying statistic. And it is wrong.

    Everytown has long inflated its total by including incidents of gunfire that are not really school shootings. Take, for example, what it counted as the year’s first: On the afternoon of Jan. 3, a 31-year-old man who had parked outside a Michigan elementary school called police to say he was armed and suicidal. Several hours later, he killed himself. The school, however, had been closed for seven months. There were no teachers. There were no students.

    WAPO

    Pinandpuller (ef598f)

  292. How do we keep kids out of parent’s hands?

    It’s the most unfathomable of crimes: a parent killing their own child. It grabs headlines when it happens — like this week in Georgia, where a mom is accused of stabbing four of her children to death. The reality is, filicides happen with depressing regularity in the US. And mothers are almost as likely to be the killers as fathers.

    Of course we’re shocked whenever we hear about a parent taking the life of their own children. Think Andrea Yates or Susan Smith. But what’s even more shocking (and sad) is that this type of crime happens a lot. A study in the journal Forensic Science International looked at three decades worth of filicide cases (between 1976 and 2007) and found they occurred about 500 times a year in the US.

    CNN

    Pinandpuller (ef598f)

  293. There should be a school building buy-back program. Any school board that is willing to turn in its schools to the local police department should be paid. The empty schools can be then sold to private schools or even turned into business complexes. The police department should be allowed to keep the profits. We want our men in blue behind this.

    County schools can be sold by the local sheriff’s office. Same arrangement. “Support your local sheriff. Turn in your schools.”

    What will the students do? They can stay home and sign up for the Khan Academy. It’s online. It’s free. There would soon be a market for similar programs. Churches can create them. Retired teachers can create them. Service organizations can create them. If Salman Khan can do it, others can do it. There is a working model. This isn’t rocket science.

    What about the children of mothers who work outside the home? No problem! A city or county can pay profit-seeking charter schools to enroll students. Tax support involves coercion, but it’s better to have private charter schools with armed guards than what we have now. There have been no mass shootings in charter schools. There have not been any gang-related murders, either.

    Gary North

    Pinandpuller (ef598f)

  294. Dem shark sumpin’ MFers!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  295. 298… narciso, you’re teh greatest!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  296. Very swiftian, what does one with CNN, I suggest follow the example of my high schools must infamous alum, and turn it a military facility, of course you have to fire the staff.

    narciso (d1f714)

  297. Cops called to house 39 times

    Not allowed on school property

    Makes threats to friends and on YouTube

    Considered crazy and evil by people who know him

    FBI alerted

    Kimmel: “Blame Trump!!”

    harkin (8256c3)

  298. The liberal mind for all to see:
    Victim’s father.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/DWGmSQZUQAA871P-460×600.jpg

    Leftists respond with sympathy and understanding:
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/DWGmSQZVAAAPBPK-462×600.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  299. ugh gateway trapped in 2004

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  300. I dont see how, happy? Gateway Pundit’s content would have been labeled as paleocon and Buchananist in 2004. And its helmsman as a sexual deviant by the other leg(s) of the 2004 stool.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  301. Not being able to link to Gateway Pundit is like not being able to fit through a sewer manhole, happyfeet.

    nk (dbc370)

  302. My bad, I think you meant to say “404 error”.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  303. We’ve heard for years that abusing animals is a tell. We have the profile..

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/shooter-profile-invs/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  304. Same story from different source to avoid the ad hominem urine-misting:

    Father of Victim in Florida Shooting Mocked for Trump Shirt

    https://thepoliticalinsider.com/andrew-pollack-daughter/

    harkin (8256c3)

  305. no i just mean the whole hotlinking concern is so yesteryear

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  306. Getting the news much later here on the big island, I read that pile of Sh!t Romney has carpet aged his way to another senate run. This useless turd gave up in his senate run against the drunk killer Teddy Kennedy. I hope the church of the Latter Day Saints know what a scab of a human this professional troll is.

    mg (47ca93)

  307. In the absence of any evidence that particular minority groups were targeted by the shooter, I’m having trouble finding the significance in the press reports that he was a member of a white nationalist group.

    What we know about him right now is that he’s 19, he and his younger brother were adopted by an older couple who had no other children when they were infants, his father died a decade ago, and his mother died suddenly in November from complications related to the flu, with no other medical problems, at age 69.

    There are some reports from his extended family that he had emotional problems growing up, and may have been taking medications related to that.

    So how is being a member of white nationalist group relevant to anything having to do with the shooting? Every victim was either white or Latino.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  308. and that dude is probably gonna cock block Pence in 2024. Which actually means he should let up on Trump and not stress him out to the point that nobody wants to vote for a guy that would be 77 on 1.20.25.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  309. National Equirer buys, then buries 2006 Trump affair with HUCKABEEbunny.

    Only for Christian enquiring minds.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  310. The recent New Mexico H.S. shooter (2 victims, plus self) did belong to a group that wanted smaller less obvious (in terms of targeting x type of persons) incidents as opposed to large casualty events.

    I do think the Florida Republic person is a troll making a pathetic call for membership by false association, but the non-kosher kind of white nationalist group (some on the more identitarian side are cool with Jewish members, many are not) probably figures a middle to upper income Florida high school is going to have a sufficient number of Jewish victims just by emptying several volleys of buckshot (the old bucket of birdseed method).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  311. **South Florida, maybe not so much in I-4 and in Lower Alabama/Jacksonville.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  312. Lol

    rtarian students are asking Duke University to issue a statement condemning a professor’s recent remark suggesting that libertarians are “on the autism spectrum.”

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10520

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  313. The Senate may be the ideal place for Mr. Romney where he’ll just go with the flow and do what he’s told and always look good and virtuous with 99 other Senators to make the decisions for him. And you can’t say that he doesn’t have a great head of hair.

    nk (dbc370)

  314. “In the absence of any evidence that particular minority groups were targeted by the shooter, I’m having trouble finding the significance in the press reports that he was a member of a white nationalist group.

    This seems to have been pretty much de-bunked by law enforcement but the msm is still running hot and heavy with it.

    harkin (8256c3)

  315. “……Duke University to issue a statement condemning a professor’s recent remark suggesting that libertarians are “on the autism spectrum.””

    Nice link pointing out lefty professor is talking out her backside regarding libertarianism/conservatism being a mental disorder. But then lefties have never been strong on science.

    harkin (8256c3)

  316. I wonder if Trump uses the same pimp that Clinton used. Or can we not talk about Clinton’s many affairs yet?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  317. How about Chappiquiddick?

    Chicago Fire? Seth Rich?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  318. I thought he took in a pedo flight or two, but nowhere near the frequent flier mileage accumulated by the former Mr. Blythe.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  319. Harkin..

    You’ve been concerned about that connection and I appreciate it.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  320. So how is being a member of white nationalist group relevant to anything having to do with the shooting?

    And we only have the word of a self-promoting Nazi to back the claim. I’m not sure how this helps Cruz or the group, though. At best it seems to impugn the legitimacy of white nationalist groups, as if that was necessary.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  321. 4-D meat..

    Disabled, decaying dead pets not regulated euthanized pets put in your pet foods.

    HUZZZZZAAAAHHH for deregulation.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  322. It’s like we’re China

    Remember MAD COW DISEASE?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  323. CVM is aware of the sale of dead, dying, disabled, or diseased (4-D) animals to salvagers for use as animal food. Meat from these carcasses is boned and the meat is packaged or frozen without heat processing. The raw, frozen meat is shipped for use by several industries, including pet food manufacturers, zoos, greyhound kennels, and mink ranches. This meat may present a potential health hazard to the animals that consume it and to the people who handle it

    https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/ComplianceManuals/CompliancePolicyGuidanceManual/ucm074712.htm

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  324. Dont tell some of my facebooky bad Montebello teacher-like friends…when they went to Europe (France, Netherlands) in 2001 during a mad cow scare there, they made a point to go Argentinian steakhouses just because the menu prices were so marked down.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  325. Pink slime is back too urban.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  326. Anyone who thinks honest, well intended Leviathans shouldn’t have boundaries is somewhat barmy

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  327. Montessori?

    Colonel Haiku (1d71cc)

  328. Knesset is pronounced with a k. Like knishes and knaidlach.

    Kishnevi (420071)

  329. Carrie Johnson
    @johnson_carrie
    FBI Director Christopher Wray announces investigation after disclosing a person close to Nikolas Cruz phoned FBI public access line with a warning about him Jan. 5. Bureau apparently failed to follow protocols.
    — –

    Susan Davis
    @DaviSusan
    Now in Florida, and in the recent Texas church shooting, the FBI and the military failed to “follow protocols” that could have prevented the acts.

    — –

    I’m sure Jimmy Kimmel will lead with this tonight…..

    harkin (8256c3)

  330. I think we should just trust what INDUSTRY! says and does is for our own good and the good of bizness.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  331. Chappaquiddick did actually take out a presidential candidate. Well, a candidate for president anyway.

    Pinandpuller (b07897)

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