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2/5/2018

Single-Payer Still All the Rage in California

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:30 am



California is still California. At National Review, Jim Geraghty notes that, while the state’s recent attempt to foist single-payer on its citizens failed, California politicians going forward are consistently going to adopt extreme leftist positions — and that means more attempts at single-payer. Geraghty quotes a Washington Post piece that argues:

[Winning a Democratic primary] means staking out the most liberal stance on issues such as single-payer health care in California, a highly expensive initiative that failed in the legislature last year. The push is in response to the uncertainty surrounding health-care revisions in Washington, but it is estimated to cost twice the state’s annual budget.

Geraghty reminds us that the price tag is expected to be $400 billion, which is not really quite twice the state’s annual budget, but it’s close. (Remember how the tax bill’s elimination of SALT deductions was supposed to make California more fiscally responsible? Ha!) If enacted, it would make California an even greater magnet for illegal immigration, and worsen the already dire doctor shortage.

But you have to support it to get elected in this state.

Meanwhile, to his credit, Donald Trump is rejecting Democrats’ efforts to palm off single-payer on the nation:

Trump’s Twitter policy announcements often carry an expiration date, depending on who gets his ear at any particular moment, or what Fox and Friends thinks of the given policy issue. Still, this is better than his sticking with his past support for universal healthcare.

California: Donald Trump looks more sane than you on this issue. Chew on that for a while.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

195 Responses to “Single-Payer Still All the Rage in California”

  1. Donald tweeting fake news again. The people marching in the UK are doing so in order to protest underfunding.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  2. “…… the price tag is expected to be $400 billion, which is not really quite twice the state’s annual budget, but it’s close. “

    It’s a given to be at least double if you remember every govt. program spending projection ever.

    Apply the percentage of spending that the bullet train is now over original estimates and you’ll probably be closer to reality.

    The craziest thing if all is that much of California is wiling to embrace the madness and subject its citizens to Canada/UK-style wait times, sub-par care and horror stories:

    “The third doctor that they saw finally diagnosed their condition and recommended the medication ivermectin. Cutaneous larva migrans may resolve on its own after anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. But if you don’t want worms crawling around in your feet for that long, you can either apply thiabendazole cream to the infected area or take albendazole or ivermectin by mouth. Plus having worms in your feet can lead to scratching which can lead to bacterial infections of your feet. So all in all, it is better not to have worms crawling around in your feet.

    However, as Stephens told CTV, “we found out that Health Canada had denied our request to receive the medication saying our case wasn’t severe enough. At that point, that’s when we freaked out a little.” Apparently having worms crawling around in your feet alone was not a severe enough situation. Rather than try to make their hookworm infections more severe, Zytner’s mother drove to Detroit to purchase ivermectin for the two.”

    harkin (8256c3)

  3. Donald tweeting fake news again. The people marching in the UK are doing so in order to protest underfunding.

    They’re being told that the system is imploding because they just aren’t allowing enough money to be syphoned off of paychecks, investments and property. The claim of every failed liberal experiment ever.

    harkin (8256c3)

  4. US health care expenses as a percentage of GDP: 17.9
    UK health care expenses as a percentage of GDP: 9.9

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  5. Also, your comment doesn’t make Donald’s tweet any truer.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  6. Your numbers are meaningless.

    The fact that US citizens pay $28 for a Tylenol in the hospital and the UK govt-run system is a horror show means both systems are over-regulated.

    harkin (8256c3)

  7. Meanwhile……

    Man accused of killing Colts’ Edwin Jackson, Uber driver is undocumented immigrant, has been deported twice

    https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/crime/suspect-in-crash-that-killed-colts-player-was-in-us-illegally-had-been-deported-twice?autoplay=true

    Keep telling us how liberals care about US citizens.

    harkin (8256c3)

  8. Ever notice how under Obama the Democrat Party and their shock troops in the national media increasingly worked like a Totalitarian Cabal trying to manufacture the necessary preconditions for grinding the American middle class to insignificance so the wealthy, but few, haves could be pitted against the overwhelmingly numerous, but impoverished, masses?

    It’s Stalinism 101, and Obama learned it at the knee of the most significant man in his life: Communist writer, Frank Marshall Davis.

    ropelight (bce47b)

  9. YouR nUmBErs aRe MeaNInGless but this anecdote serves to condemn the entire system

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  10. Obama’s been out of office for more than a year, ropelight. It’s ok to move on.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  11. What haoppens with single provider (as in Great Britain) or single payer (as in Canada) is that, after a while, the government attempts to save money.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  12. The only solution is to split the state. There are 5 natural states in CA:

    The mountain north, the central valley, Los Angeles County, a coastal state from Marin to Monterrey and including Silicon Valley, and everything south from SLO, Kern and San Bernardino that isn’t L.A.

    Two reds, two blues and a purple.

    The only real roadblocks are water, and a lonstanding desire by the San Francisco elite to run the entire state. The first part can be dealt with by a regional compact. The second is what is dooming us all.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  13. US health care choices, on a scale of 1 to 10: 8
    UK health care choices, on a scale of 1 to 10: 2

    You get what you pay for.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  14. “Obama’s been out of office for more than a year, ropelight. It’s ok to move on.”

    Oh really?

    TheBas (a9a478)

  15. *Disclaimer*
    The following opinion, experience or observation is that of an ignorant bigot. Reader discretion is advised.


    11.What haoppens with single provider (as in Great Britain) or single payer (as in Canada) is that, after a while, the government attempts to save money.


    What happens is the government employees weaponize the agency against their political enemies as we’ve seen. Do you guys want people who think like Tillman, comrade Ben! and Davethulhu deciding you and you families healthcare fate? Independent providers have no political alliance regarding your personal health services. They don’t care if you’re a republican, a Christian or whatever. They have no political ax to grind. They’re in it for profit whereas if the government runs it there will never be a profit by design but there will always be apolitical opponent.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  16. More terrifying in that WaPo article (read the whole thing!) is the observation that the GOP is dead in CA and the contest in the jungle primaries has been between the “Democrats’ left and even-more-left wings”.

    Even the title (“Think California politics is on the far-left fringe? Just wait for the next elections“) should scare any Californian who has an ounce of sense. That the WaPo is referring to the CURRENT government in CA as “far-left” is telling, coming from them.

    I think it’s time to sell out.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  17. Hoagie–

    And consider if you are a medical provider, about to be conscripted and told what you will make, what forms you will fill out and who you can treat. Today, one can still operate outside the insurance system, or at least with the more reasonable insurers, but when everyone expects medicine to be free it’s a hard slog to stay independent.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  18. *Disclaimer*
    The following opinion, experience or observation is that of an ignorant bigot. Reader discretion is advised.


    10.Obama’s been out of office for more than a year, ropelight. It’s ok to move on.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 2/5/2018 @ 10:35 am


    Riiiight, like you commie thugs did with Bush for the first five years of Hussein’s reich. You all were b!tchin everything was Bush’s fault almost till Hussein left office. Well, all the bad stuff anyway.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)


  19. US health care expenses as a percentage of GDP: 17.9
    UK health care expenses as a percentage of GDP: 9.9

    US (fed+local) government spending, as a percentage of GDP: 36%
    UK (nat+local) government spending, as a percentage of GDP: 49%

    Kevin M (752a26)

  20. *Disclaimer*
    The following opinion, experience or observation is that of an ignorant bigot. Reader discretion is advised.

    @16…And they’re trying to do to the rest of the country what the dems did to cali. Passing DACA immigration and a ‘pathway to citizenship’ along with amnesty will be, and it’s not 800,000 –, that’s a leftist ruse, it’s probably at least 3 million [DREAMers] and then on top of that, of course, you’ve got Republicans and Democrats talking about chain migration allowances for the parents of those DACA recipients and those are clearly illegal alien parents who would be rewarded as well. We’re talking 30millio+++ just like last time. The consequence would be a permanent ruling majority for the Democrat Party and death of the GOP.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  21. NHS could be bankrupted by ‘unsustainable’ £65bn clinical negligence bill, warn experts

    The NHS could be bankrupted by an “unsustainable” increase in the cost of payments to patients who have been the victim of medical errors, with future liabilities already topping £65bn, health service chiefs have warned the Justice Secretary.

    The rising cost of clinical negligence claims is “already having an impact on what the NHS can provide”, according to the leaders of the NHS Confederation, the British Medical Association and the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges. “

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/nhs-clinical-negligence-fine-bankrupt-crisis-heathcare-experts-a8191241.html

    harkin (8256c3)

  22. 21 – never underestimate the power of nice weather.

    I have a place in CA and a small farm in the Great Basin. As much as I love the seasons it’s nice not having to spend so much of winter indoors – that can have psychological effects.

    harkin (8256c3)

  23. This is a fine post, with which I agree.

    I genuinely regret to quibble, but re this parenthetical: “Remember how the tax bill’s elimination of SALT deductions was supposed to make California more fiscally responsible? Ha!”

    I don’t recall anyone predicting that California’s Democratic leaders would be “made” or “forced” to become fiscally responsible. That would have been obviously stupid to claim. The fiscal irresponsibility of California’s government is the result of its own decisions. Giving California’s government license to partially offset that responsibility through its taxpayers’ receipt of unlimited deductions against their federal income tax for Californian’s state and local taxes would certainly was, however, a further enablement of their fiscal irresponsibility, and I’m very, very glad it’s been capped.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  24. @ Kevin M: Quintuple California’s representation in the U.S. Senate? No thank you.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  25. 21/23, I thought it was more of a “dont get high on your own supply” dealy-bob

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  26. Calif. is going for broke in the hands of Progressives who echo the Tea Party Zeitgeist circa 2008.

    Crazies are crazy. That is all. Carry on.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  27. the elimination of SALT deductions becomes an effective encouragement of fiscal responsibility when the people California is tax raping start moving out of the state

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. You will be able to predict the sucksess of progressive largesse by their counterparts self-fulfilling collapse under the weight of their signature candidate, Trump.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  29. Well, all the bad stuff anyway.

    See hoagie, this is where you could be helpful, filling in the blanks but not with the usual road apples.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  30. By those metrics, I give California 8 years of bliss, then the inevitable precipace

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  31. Precipice…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  32. Marijuana is why happy

    California’s opioid death rate is among the nation’s lowest. Experts aren’t sure why

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  33. Oh, and..

    Whatabout Chappiquiddick?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  34. 25, how about if you could checkmate that with 5 states forming from the current Texas. If yes, what are the natural boundaries of each?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  35. Btw: amidst all you budget hawks is there any amongst you who are a teensy bit fudged that the Pentagon flushes your paychecks?

    I’ve posted many factual stats that they corn hole you with a smirk on their faces yet you don’t seem concerned.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  36. NHS could be bankrupted by ‘unsustainable’ £65bn clinical negligence bill, warn experts

    Their solution? Don’t let people sue the system for negligence!

    Kevin M (752a26)

  37. It’s not good when a Monday rally doesnt follow a Friday drop.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/05/white-house-says-its-concerned-about-stock-market-drop.html

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  38. @ urban: I’m not in favor of Texas breaking into multiple states nor of Texas trying to leave the Union.

    Some folks (e.g., here) have speculated in the past about how Texas might be broken into several states, there being some language about that in the language by which Congress brought Texas into the Union in 1846, but I think that became moot as a practical political possibility with the outcome of the Civil War.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  39. Quintuple California’s representation in the U.S. Senate? No thank you.

    Beldar–

    Four of those Senators would be strong conservatives, 2 would be crazy liberals, 2 would be more normal liberals and 2 would be competitive. And CA’s electoral votes would be split.

    The people who want to split the state are the conservatives, the people who don’t want it are the SF/Marin Democrats.

    There are 15 million Republicans in this 40 million-person state. Try to get past your biases.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  40. Texas could use some splitting, too.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  41. Ouch

    As for whether Yellen’s view that the stock market (which plummeted on Friday) has been too high in recent months:

    “Well, I don’t want to say too high. But I do want to say high. Price-earnings ratios are near the high end of their historical ranges. If you look at commercial real estate prices, they are quite high relative to rents. Now, is that a bubble or is too high? And there it’s very hard to tell. But it is a source of some concern that asset valuations are so high.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/janet-yellen-the-exit-interview/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  42. Better wear some Depends for a few days..you stake holders holding paper.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  43. Optimism taken to it’s extreme closely mimics delusion…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  44. *Disclaimer*
    The following opinion, experience or observation is that of an ignorant bigot. Reader discretion is advised.
    If any of you are actively involved in market trading you live for fluxuations like this. You have no idea how much money I made in the last couple days doing short term trading. Let’s just say more than the entire month of January and it was a good month.

    The market has been inflated and increasing for no apparent reason (except institutional trading) for over a year now. If you’re a legitimate Level II Platform trader like me you always expect a correction.

    Trump has as much to do with the market going down, fluxuating or going up as I do. The market did that before Trump and it will do it long after Trump.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  45. If you look at the voting patterns in CA superficially, you see this giant bias towards the Democrats. But if you look at voter turnout you see something else: many Republicans have stopped voting.

    Why?

    The state is heavily gerrymandered after the Democrats gamed the reapportionment committee with ringers and astroturfed “citizen’s groups” and got the previous massive gerrymander accepted as the basis going forward. The GOP was, as usual, asleep.

    The press and media are further left than the national MSM. It’s a state-wide bubble. Depressing really.

    The state GOP has their heads up their ass, with one faction trying to run Alabama-style campaigns in California, or on the other hand trying to be me-too Democrats. And most of the players are infighting over party perks.

    The rank and file Republican has given up. The 2016 turnout was heavily Democrat. Instead of the 10 point margin you used to see, it’s 20 and 30% now. Mostly due to lack of turnout. Not one dime was spent by Trump to get a voter to the polls in 2016.

    And there are plenty of building issues that the GOP could take advantage of, if it would get the F off of its social-conservative positions, which are sailed and sunk ships here.

    * traffic
    * inability to build infrastructure
    * the general war against cars
    * the insane uber-green program to have half the state’s energy renewable in 15 yeaars
    * fawning over illegals (e.g. giving them drivers licenses when you already have too much traffic)
    * the Democrat war on single-family neighborhoods. Massive apartment buildings are going up on the edges of all of them, towering over homes, and a new law being propose would override all local zoning and allow 8-story apartments built WITHIN these neighborhoods.
    * the failure of CoveredCA to insure anyone not subsidized.
    * the flight of many productive citizens to the Southwest, and the importation of homeless, illegals and others seeking the generous aid.
    * public pensions and the pension ratchet.

    But no, the GOP seems more interested in who gets to go to the next Convention.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  46. If you understand that data, hoagie, then you understand what’s coming is no correction

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  47. Davethulhu:

    US health care % GDP: 17.9, US GDP=57,466.79, health care in absolute dollars=10,287 per capita.
    UK health care % GDP: 9.9, UK GDP=39,899.39, health care in absolute dollars=3,950.04 per capita.

    And the average American still has 11,230.44 more per person than the average Brit to spend on beer and pizza after health care.

    Another socialist who just doesn’t get that socialism makes countries and people poor and that the Brits are quite socialist and quite poor.

    17.9% of GDP is chump change to Americans. You Yanks spend it because you’ve got it and the Brits don’t and are dying as a result.

    Fred Z (05d938)

  48. *Disclaimer*
    The following opinion, experience or observation is that of an ignorant bigot. Reader discretion is advised.

    Like they say: “Bulls make money, Bears make money and pigs get slaughtered”. The market will tell you what to play if you listen. Now it’s Bear. Tomorrow maybe Bull. I’m too small to set a trend but I’m smart enough to have an algorithm that can follow one within a “tick”.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  49. Bouncing around

    The Dow Jones industrial average plunged as much as 1,500 points, erasing its gain for the year, as the market extends a slump that began Friday.
    The Dow’s point loss would be its biggest of all time, though in percentage terms, its 5.6% decline wasn’t as big as its worst drop during the financial crisis.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-markets-20180205-story.html%3foutputType=amp

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  50. 17.9% of GDP is chump change to Americans.

    crumbs!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  51. Boring and childish hoagie.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  52. Single payer in the first world doesn’t exist in any country that has a common border with a third world country. Wonder why that is.

    BTW, we have a 1900 mile long border with Mexico, 140 miles of which is common with California. So, comparisons to Great Britain, Canada, Norway, etc. are meaningless.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  53. Has anyone asked Gavin Newsome how he plans to raise this $400 billion? Payroll taxes? Property taxes? Even higher income taxes? Added to the current expenditure, the state government would spend more money, per capita, than the federal government. Federal+state spending in CA would exceed 50% of the state’s GDP. Its tax income would then have to be similar.

    I am almost positive that anything that was NOT a payroll tax would be heavily opposed by seniors who get Medicare they already feel they paid for.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  54. You would have bolstered your creds considerably if you had spoken your opinion about Trumps role in recent spiking hoagie. You failed the test.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  55. Oh, thank God the market is closed. Dow down 1175 on top of 665 Friday.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  56. More info is breaking into the open today on the FISA application and Carter Page.

    Its even worse than the memo says.

    The memo was a well-planned trap, and I think Trey Gowdy is behind it. And I think its why he has decided to leave DC — he knows that when this plays out he will have made many enemies on the other side of the aisle, and in the intelligence communities.

    The interplay between the Clinton campaign, DNC, and DOJ/FBI is worse than believed, and opening the FISA application file — which is what is going to come next — will not be the end of it. That is going to lead to testimony under oath, and Congress is going to be fed all the internal documentation in the various agencies that were involved. That testimony will likely land some people in jail.

    The second level leaking that is now taking place behind the release of the Memo shows that the FISA application was not “on the level”, and that the intelligence apparatus of the Gov’t was used by the Obama Justice Department to attempt to prevent a Trump Presidency, or at least to hamstring it so bad that it would struggle to get anything accomplished.

    Among the new reports — the Grassley memo out today in heavily redacted form shows that Steele was contacted by a known Sid Blumenthal associate, and that person passed along information to Steele from a State Department official, which Steele then put into a memorandum and supplied it to the FBI. That memorandum was not part of the Steele dossier.

    So you have the Obama State Department pushing out info to Sid Blumenthal through a cutout — with Blumenthal being a uber Hillary supporter — and the cutout getting that into to Steele so he could supply it to the FBI.

    Why didn’t the State Dept. give it directly to the FBI????

    There is NO GOOD explanation for that.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  57. Single payer in the first world doesn’t exist in any country that has a common border with a third world country.

    Coupled with an immigration system where old, sick people with family connections get immigration preference over a young plumber without them, it’s even worse. Of course, that may be a feature to Democrats.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  58. Bollocks!

    They led with their heavy water hoping we’d see Yellowcake.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  59. Interest rates going up — market going down.

    That’s the way it works.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  60. Now you’re going over the falls shipwreck.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  61. Trey Gowdy is behind it. And I think its why he has decided to leave DC

    Gowdy is already a Pelosi-level bogeyman on leftist blogs and Democrat fundraisers.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  62. I shifted six figure amount in my self-directed 401(k) out of equities and into cash back in November of last year for this very reason.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  63. we still don’t know the name of the sleazy FISA judge-turd what conspired with the corrupt FBI to weaponize FISA warrants against Republicans

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. “Single payer in the first world doesn’t exist in any country that has a common border with a third world country. Wonder why that is.”

    Didn’t you see my link above where the Canadian hookworm victims needed salvation from just-across-the-border Detroit?

    /sarc

    harkin (8256c3)

  65. “we still don’t know the name of the sleazy FISA judge-turd what conspired with the corrupt FBI to weaponize FISA warrants against Republicans”

    I thought at least one of them was Rudolph Contreras, who earlier was recused from the Flynn case.

    harkin (8256c3)

  66. could be

    TheDC asked Klem if Contreras’ position on the FISC court had anything to do with his recusal but she provided the statement about the court system’s policy against discussing recusals.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. @2 harkin

    You can get ivermectin down to the feed store. They actually make doses that fit in paintball guns so you don’t have to use a head gate. If you meeet me downtown after sunset we can do some community service.

    Pinandpuller (9b2f98)

  68. You Yanks spend it because you’ve got it and the Brits don’t and are dying as a result.

    Life expectancy US: 79.3
    Life expectancy UK: 81.2

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  69. I can’t remember which antibiotic it is but they put something in it to cause pain to discourage human use but it’s not very nice for your baby goats that’s for sure. It’s like the stuff they supposedly put in the ethyl alcohol in chemistry to poison bad kids.

    Pinandpuller (9b2f98)

  70. 67 – I have no idea how reliable this person is, but I saw this on Twitter:

    Jacob Wohl

    @JacobAWohl
    Rudolph Contreras was the FISA Judge who issued a warrant to spy on Carter Page because of a Yahoo News article and a Phony Dossier. Guess who appointed Contreras to the FISA Court? Barack Hussein Obama.

    —-
    Hoagie: by coincidence he also seems to be a trader:

    Jacob Wohl
    @JacobAWohl
    If you have the guts to buy when the market is down 1600 points, you have what it takes to invest. If you’re selling in fog of war that the selling creates, you should probably stick to bond funds

    harkin (8256c3)

  71. “Single payer in the first world doesn’t exist in any country that has a common border with a third world country. Wonder why that is.”

    – random viking

    Probably because we are biased and uncritical in our definition of “first world” countries.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  72. “Life expectancy US: 79.3
    Life expectancy UK: 81.2”

    Is that like the crime statistics that make the USA look pretty bad until you filter out certain cultural subsets?

    harkin (8256c3)

  73. How long till VDH is driven off his farm by marauders on a moonless night?

    Pinandpuller (9b2f98)

  74. Oy, how many foetus do them Brits cull every year? All the white ones I’d wager.

    Pinandpuller (9b2f98)

  75. I see Tweedledum. Where’s Tweedledee?

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/05/politics/donald-trump-economy-taxes/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  76. they have a royal breeding program what makes the duggars look like slackers

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  77. nothing goes up in a straight line Mr. burn not even those itty bitty coin thingies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. “How long till VDH is driven off his farm by marauders on a moonless night?”

    Been reading him for probably 30 years, we have certain distant connections. He’s written plenty on the decline and fall of the San Joaquin Valley.

    harkin (8256c3)

  79. oh my

    this is godawful dreadful

    finally getting around to kate bush’s last cd

    so this is her duet with elton john

    so embarrassed for them

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. 77, and now they’ll have calico tabbies or royal Prince Charles terrier, if you prefer.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  81. Boy was I wrong

    According to The Telegraph, Black or black British people only make up 3.3 per cent of the population but accounted for 9 per cent of abortions.

    The percentage of women having an abortion in 2013 who had one or more previous abortions varies by ethnic group. 33% of Asian women having abortions in 2013 had previously had an abortion, compared with 49% of Black women (See Table A below). 36% of White women had previously had an abortion

    You would think with a social safety net of free contraception, education and council housing for single mums with eight kids and a stipend and a satellite in their native language etc that abortion would be nil.

    Source

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  82. Leviticus @72: Probably because we are biased and uncritical in our definition of “first world” countries.

    Sorry, my comment was intended for those living in the real world.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  83. I always get confused when I see those dogs I just have to remember

    Prince Charles will never, ever, be king

    Is that the UK’s Hillary analog?

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  84. Crazies are crazy. That is all. Carry on.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/5/2018 @ 11:56 am

    Hey, who was it who said people get the representation they deserve?

    One solid point in six months, that guy.

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  85. GGB is trying to haul his i told you so ashes in front of everyone like Louis CK. Sorry in advance for the image.

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  86. CNN
    Trump mocked Democrats Monday for their stony reactions during his State of the Union speech last week, saying that it was even “treasonous.”

    “They were like death and un-American. Un-American. Somebody said, ‘Treasonous.’ I mean, yeah, I guess, why not,” he said to laughter.
    “Can we call that treason? Why not,” he added. He made the remarks during a speech at a manufacturing plant in Cincinnati, Ohio.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  87. This is your first I told you so
    Pin?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  88. Anyway leading the pack back to their own vomit for a second helping seems cost efficient, eh pin?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  89. Gold/silver barely nudged

    http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  90. 89, this will help

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  91. “Can we call that treason? Why not,” he added. He made the remarks during a speech at a manufacturing plant in Cincinnati, Ohio.”

    He must be using the same logic that defines advocation of secure borders as white nationalist naziism, ideas counter to college CW as unprotected hate speech and discipline for bringing politics to work (NFL) as taking away 1st amendment rights.

    harkin (8256c3)

  92. “Sorry, my comment was intended for those living in the real world.”

    – random viking

    Probably because you are biased and uncritical in your definition of “real world.”

    Leviticus (efada1)

  93. Jerry Clower had a joke: Before the Wind Chill Factor mama didn’t know how cold she really was.

    So it is before and after Global Warming and Donald Trump.

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  94. I know the war on math:
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2018/02/05/biggest-one-day-drops-for-dow-jones-industrial-average.amp.htmlY

    The headline writer didnt read the story either:

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. Trouble is GGB, you can’t distinguish consuming vomitus and ruminating.

    Unlike most other mammals, lagomorphs (including domestic rabbits) produce two types of droppings, fecal pellets (the round, dry ones you usually see in the litterbox) and cecotropes. The latter are produced in a region of the rabbit’s digestive tract called the cecum, a blind-end pouch located at the junction of the small and large intestines. The cecum contains a natural community of bacteria and fungi that provide essential nutrients and may even protect the rabbit from potentially harmful pathogens.

    How does the rabbit get those essential nutrients? She eats the cecotropes as they exit the anus. The rabbits blissful expression when she’s engaging in cecotrophy (the ingestion of cecotropes) will tell you that she finds this anything but disgusting. In fact, rabbits deprived of their cecotropes will eventually succumb to malnutrition. Cecotropes are not feces. They are nutrient-packed dietary items essential to your companion rabbit’s good health.

    A rabbit may produce cecotropes at various times during the day, and this periodicity may vary from rabbit to rabbit. Some produce cecotropes in the late morning, some in the late afternoon, and some at night. In any case, they usually do this when you’re not watching (quite polite of them). This might be why some people refer to cecotropes as “night droppings,” though cecotropes are not always produced at night. A human face is apparently an excellent and refreshing palate-cleanser, as a favorite activity immediately post-cecotrophy often seems to be “kiss the caregiver”. Mmmmmm.

    The Mystery of Rabbit Poop

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  96. He must be using the same logic that defines advocation of secure borders as white nationalist naziism, ideas counter to college CW as unprotected hate speech and discipline for bringing politics to work (NFL) as taking away 1st amendment rights.

    Why are unashamed? It truly is a pheomenon.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  97. You know I really cant mad at her, she dated keiffum, that’s punishment enough:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/960644145655238658?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. Pin: Are you a modern-dance choreographer?

    I’ve never seen human limbs so contorted.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  99. Urban

    Maybe an auditory warning of gratuitous bad taste next time. :)

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  100. These also a question of scale, Germany which seems to have missed the deadline fir coalition, has 1/5 our populations

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. @ Kevin M: Please, sir, don’t ascribe things to my biases. Read what I wrote instead. I don’t want the people who live now in California to collectively get ten votes in the Senate instead of two. That is not based on my guess about how the broken-up spin-offs might vote in the near or middle term. I don’t want the people, collectively, of California, regardless of their current or likely near- or middle-term politics, to get five times the influence they currently have, while thereby diluting the significance of the senatorial votes from the 49 other states (not just my home state of Texas).

    I have no idea what you mean when you say two of the senate seats would be “competitive”; are you suggesting that somehow, California is going to start producing senators of either major party who don’t vote on a party-line basis? But far, far more importantly, I don’t want to see the fundamental power structure of the Republic re-jiggered based on last year’s or this year’s or next year’s vote. Neither you nor I have the slightest clue what the electorate in California, or any of your proposed subunits thereof, will do in 20 or 40 or 100 or 200 years from now, yet that decision would surely have profound consequences of some sort.

    Lincoln’s creation of West Virginia out of whole cloth for political goals was the most profoundly unprincipled and anti-Constitutional thing he did while in office, and I’m against such shenanigans as a matter of principle. So I repeat: No thank you.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  102. “If you’re a legitimate Level II Platform trader like me you always expect a correction.”

    – Rev. Hoagie

    I thought you were “just a restauranteur.”

    Leviticus (efada1)

  103. He’s a restaurateur but he used the word correction like a broker.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  104. Or a delusional trader.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  105. Leviticus @93: Probably because you are biased and uncritical in your definition of “real world.”

    Could be. Try to use logic somewhat above the level of a scratched CD, and we might find out.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  106. Davethulhu, pray tell exactly what is wrong, in error or dishonest about “thousands of people are marching in the UK because their U system is going broke and not working”.

    They are marching to demand more money from the government for the NHS because…? Because why? Because “their U system is going broke and not working”? Nah, can’t be, they must be marching for more rainy weather, bad food, crooked teeth and funny walks.

    As for life expectancy differences, think how bad it would be if you didn’t spend so much money to patch up your over fed under exercised selves. Also, I’d sure like to see those American figures on a state by state basis given that life expectancy in Mexico, that socialist haven of the people and model for all of La Raza is 76.92 years.

    I bet US life expectancy would be a lot better without the illegals, who are after all, not Latin America’s best, brightest or healthiest. I see that noted drunk, illegal Manuel Orrego-Savala of Guatemala managed to reduce the life expectancy of Colts Linebacker Edwin Jackson to last Saturday by nailing him with a pick up truck at highway speeds with a blood alcohol level of .15. That’ll sure screw up your stats won’t it?

    Life expectancy in Guatemala: 71.96.

    Simple math, mumble, mumble, native population, high expectancy, import millions of people with low expectancy, average, mumble, scratch ear, mean, statistics, add, mumble, mumble…oopsie, reduced the national numbers on life expectancy a whole lot. Trump’s fault, clearly

    Fred Z (05d938)

  107. Level II is a subscription-based day trader option.

    DRJ (15874d)

  108. finally getting around to kate bush’s last cd

    so this is her duet with elton john

    so embarrassed for them

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/5/2018 @ 2:17 pm

    It could really be her last cd. He’s got a wig and she’s got a merkin.

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  109. What a financial mess Obama made and those MOOCHELLE healthy school lunches..

    Catastrostroke!!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  110. “Why are unashamed? It truly is a pheomenon”

    Your question: no idea what you’re trying to say.

    Follow-up sentence: The true phenomenon is that Madame Server as POTUS would be worse.

    harkin (8256c3)

  111. Give kids sh*tty food and they will likely eat sh*tty food for the rest of their lives.

    See: MO and French Fries.

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  112. Madame Server as POTUS would be worse.

    Yes. I hear that more frequently as anxiety buildsm

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  113. ‘He really seems to care, about what I have no idea’

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. Unhealthy old geezers living past their allotted three score and ten, on what is nothing more than extended life support, is what’s f’king up the health care systems in the First World.

    nk (dbc370)

  115. So how long do you have before carousel, ska death panels.

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. random viking: what is your definition of “first world country”? What is your definition of “third world country”?

    Leviticus (51e6ff)

  117. I’ve never seen human limbs so contorted.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/5/2018 @ 3:22 pm

    Have you looked in your crossover’s cargo area lately?

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  118. It’s not like they are made productively healthy again. They’re only kept alive so they can continue their senescent indolence.

    nk (dbc370)

  119. Yes. Medical miracles occur in the Ledger.

    Keeping cadavers alive for continuous billing.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  120. Psychiatry, Dentistry..all designed to fleece the unaware.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  121. If we do get to socialized healthcare, I’d want WWII military-style triage for rationing it. Then, the people who could be put back into combat got priority. Now, the people who will go back to work.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. DRJ,

    I know. It was a question about identity, and the way people switch their hats to invoke it for political effect.

    Leviticus (51e6ff)

  123. Or a delusional trader.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 2/5/2018 @ 3:51 pm

    Maybe Trump thinks Democrats are traders.

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  124. If we do get to socialized healthcare, I’d want WWII military-style triage for rationing it. Then, the people who could be put back into combat got priority. Now, the people who will go back to work.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/5/2018 @ 4:41 pm

    I nominate the shell-shocked geezer from the 8th District for a General slapping. Do I have a second?

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  125. 114 – you really want to see anxiety?

    “CARACAS, Venezuela—Prices here are doubling every few weeks, confounding cash-strapped Venezuelans who are scrambling to find a way to pay for basic transactions.

    YAY Socialism!! Let’s apply it to healthcare!!

    harkin (8256c3)

  126. One might say that Morocco’s proximity to Spain, is probative, also Italy’s tie to Libya.

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. It was in fact Patton who articulated it: “The guy with the sucking chest wound? You save him. The sonnuva with his leg blown off? Let him die. He’s not good for anything anymore.” (Not word for word quote, but close.)

    nk (dbc370)

  128. Andy C. Ngo
    @MrAndyNgo
    He wasn’t joking: Justin Trudeau interrupts woman during Q&A when she used the word “mankind.” He recommended that she say “peoplekind” instead.

    —-

    BernBabyBern
    @LovelywaytoBern
    Replying to @MrAndyNgo
    Oh if only she said ‘Did you manterrupt and mansplain to me?’ I would have wept tears of joy and bowed before my screen.

    harkin (8256c3)

  129. random viking: what is your definition of “first world country”? What is your definition of “third world country”?

    Is this the part where you ask questions, I answer, then you run away?

    Country A is a first world country and country B is third world if, for example:

    1. Country A imports far more inhabitants of country B than it exports, like orders of magnitude more.

    AND

    2. Once inside country A, migrants from country B are disproportionate users of public services.

    The original meaning of third world concerned nations unaligned with either the US or the Soviets.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  130. Tank treads need grease. It was only a donkey but he would have shot grandma and thrown her off the bridge if she was hindering the advance.

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  131. I’ll tell you, he was as much blowhard as he was strategist, but unlike Dougout Doug MacArthur he did actually “lead” his troops into combat. I still can’t believe that they gave that guy the Medal of Honor for abandoning his troops in Bataan.

    nk (dbc370)

  132. *Dugout*

    nk (dbc370)

  133. And abandoning general wainright, to his fate, years later bill Clinton. Would seek to lecture colonel holmes, ignoring the whole Batman death match.

    narciso (d1f714)

  134. @69 and 107 –

    The U.S. is scrupulous about reporting all births. Hence, our infant mortality rate is higher than most countries. Which also skews the life expectancy stats.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/276952/infant-mortality-deceptive-statistic-scott-w-atlas

    Lenny (5ea732)

  135. Now you look at ypres and the some and you wonder what was the objective a generation ofvyoung British men, gave their lives for.

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. I guess some might ask the same question of chosin reservoir, so the villain in the thalys train attack attempt was a Moroccan, the ones at Charlie hebdo were as well, bataclan had its share, malbeek airport.

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. Who needs opioids when you got this:
    http://g.co/kgs/Eeq2L6

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  138. 138, did you mean the Agadir Crisis of 1911.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  139. Back at the ranch:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/04/fusion-gps-ohr

    Thecstate of Jefferson would be voluntary exercise,

    narciso (d1f714)

  140. “The original meaning of third world concerned nations unaligned with either the US or the Soviets.”

    – random viking

    Is that the definition you want to use, then?

    Leviticus (924d70)

  141. Bad Case of Loving You Chicken Flu

    A hot summer night, Been had a rash
    He gotta scrape to find teh cash
    Don’t take much, and he’s in bed
    And why’s the rash lookin’ so red?
    Doctor Doctor, give ‘im the news
    He caught a bad case of chicken flu
    No pill’s gonna cure his ills
    He caught a bad case of chicken flu

    A chicken face don’t mean a willing heart
    He learned that buddy from the start
    He thinks they’s cute, a little bit shy
    Foreplay? Been just does ‘em dry

    Doctor Doctor, give ‘im teh news
    He caught a bad case of chicken flu
    No pill’s gonna cure his ills
    He caught a bad case of chicken flu

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. The fundamental problem is you have a mad ekectirate, in your state.

    narciso (d1f714)

  143. Leviticus @143: Is that the definition you want to use, then?

    Translation: Do you want to play whack-a-mole with me?
    My answer: No.

    I acknowledge your white flag.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  144. 145, that level of D ass-kissing of the other should turn my cohort R. Even the insurgent R candidate Jeanne Ives picked a Courtney Gains type for ahybrid Antifa/Illegal

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  145. And we have a Nazi running in the R primary in a blue dog’s district. I think if Marie Newman beats Dan Lipinski in the D primary.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  146. That holo denier has an even shot if the cop blog crowd has it’s say.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  147. I recall to larouchites beat adlai’s brood in the democratic primary in 86

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. nk, they gave Dan Sickles the MOH because of his actions at Gettysburg. This after he almost singlehandedly lost the battle.

    To be fair, he did put on a great show of sang-froid in front of troops while being carried off the field with a leg wound that resulted in amputation.

    Legal trivia question: what did Sickles do that earned him a mention in US legal history.

    Kishnevi (5bd7eb)

  149. Didn’t he sue the UK for something or was that before he was minister 7n spain

    narciso (d1f714)

  150. And we have a Nazi running in the R primary in a blue dog’s district.

    Unopposed. In Judy Baar-Top!nka’s home district. They couldn’t be bothered to fund someone, anyone, to run against him? Illinois Republicans is an oxymoron. And so are they.

    nk (dbc370)

  151. California: Newsom or Villar? Doomed.

    Patricia (3363ec)

  152. urbanleftbehind

    Is Carnivore an artist in the manner of Pricasso?

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  153. Pretty much, ah sickles is the kind of fellow that lee Marvin would have recruited fir the dirty dozen

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. I had to Whackoffpedia it:

    Born to a wealthy family in New York City, Sickles was involved in a number of public scandals, most notably the killing of his wife’s lover, Philip Barton Key II, son of Francis Scott Key.[2] He was acquitted after using temporary insanity as a legal defense for the first time in United States history. This became a defense associated with ‘crimes of passion’ (crime passionnel in French).

    Anatomy Of A Murder!

    nk (dbc370)

  155. Rip john Mahoney (Frazier dad)

    narciso (d1f714)

  156. God no, Carnivore is a thrash metal band.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  157. 153 – trying to figure out which word in my post about Gen Wainwright could have rendered me into moderation…..

    harkin (8256c3)

  158. So Sickles would have been the seminal Law and Order or ACIS episode.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  159. Sickles would be considered woke for offing Key’s son, being a Union officer, and having a blood disease prevalent in black Americans named after him.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  160. Since he reserved a commission after the murder is why I say dirty dozen.

    narciso (d1f714)

  161. Unopposed. In Judy Baar-Top!nka’s home district. They couldn’t be bothered to fund someone, anyone, to run against him? Illinois Republicans is an oxymoron. And so are they.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/5/2018 @ 6:40 pm

    Someone threw away a perfectly good white boy

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  162. 80+. No grandchildren. Who flippin cares? Not me.

    Bang Gunley (5a4596)

  163. “I acknowledge your white flag.”

    – random viking

    I’m asking you to define your terms. You are clearly declining to do so. I think that says everything that need be said about you.

    Leviticus (924d70)

  164. Another one, it turns out.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  165. No, really, if you’ve seen the movie Anatomy Of A Murder, Ben Gazzara is claiming “the unwritten law” but James Stewart tells him there’s no such thing. Then Stewart rummages through a law library until he finds the Sickles defense in a case volume — it may even have been the Sickles case — and coaches Gazzara on how to sell it. Which he does.

    But karma will not be entirely denied. Gazzara stiffed him on his fee and all he got from Lee Remick was her girdle, without her in it.

    nk (dbc370)

  166. There’s got to be some way to time travel Horatio Caine

    Horatio, Sickles killed this man.

    Yes Mr Delko, he offed Key.

    Yeaaahhhhhhhhhh!

    BTW is this mayor in The LEGO Batman Movie based on Hillary?

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  167. all he got from Lee Remick was her girdle, without her in it.

    He could have had more but declined. At the end it was rather obvious he had K Crosby on the mind.

    Way way long ago I heard a story that Bing had her travel full time with a priest during filming to keep her from temptation.

    harkin (8256c3)

  168. Leviticus @167: I’m asking you to define your terms. You are clearly declining to do so. I think that says everything that need be said about you.

    Nobody can read my comment @141 and say that I declined to define the terms. I acknowledged the original meanings of the terms, which nobody would say are the current meanings. Now, run away if you like.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  169. Another one, it turns out.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca) — 2/5/2018 @ 6:55 pm

    Carlos Mencia was not injured during the filming of that movie.

    Pinandpuller (324492)

  170. Of course the part would be played by ed Begley Jr. Florida is never that sunny, and when mountains appear in horatio shades reflection, that l a baby.

    narciso (d1f714)

  171. And back then it would be Roberto beltran

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. I actually saw that clown at Zanies in Bermon Hills IL back in 2001. That dude is true hood in a way I can’t claim to be.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  173. Vernon Hills..

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  174. Mencia,Bertram or somebody else.

    narciso (d1f714)

  175. And back then it would be Roberto beltran”

    No O in there – Robert Adame Beltran, product of Bakersfield.

    I’m glad I looked him up, I could have sworn I heard he passed away but apparently not.

    harkin (8256c3)

  176. Mencia. Total hack. Beltran…if you mean Eating Raoul/Voyager guy…would have been a more ethnogeographically correct Frank Poncharello.

    urbanleftbehind (aa10ca)

  177. “Nobody can read my comment @141 and say that I declined to define the terms. I acknowledged the original meanings of the terms, which nobody would say are the current meanings. Now, run away if you like.”

    – random viking

    Hahaha… what a load of transparent gibberish. So, which meanings do you prefer: the “original” meanings (as you identify them) or the “current” meanings (which you have also obviously refused to define)?

    Leviticus (924d70)

  178. Would you prefer underdeveloped, although too might be a derogatory,

    narciso (d1f714)

  179. OK Leviticus, i’ll play along. Pretend the last sentence isn’t there @131 and the rest of that comment is the definition. I didn’t think it was all that confusing.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  180. “Nobody can read my comment @141 and say that I declined to define the terms. I acknowledged the original meanings of the terms, which nobody would say are the current meanings.”

    You absolutely defined them, although I disagree in as much as I lean more towards:

    the underdeveloped nations of the world, especially those with widespread poverty.”

    Since the world is currently developing at an amazing pace it will continue to evolve.

    You also are absolutely right on the original, Cold War meaning.

    harkin (8256c3)

  181. Interest rates going up — market going down.

    Bonds yes. Stocks? Not so much.

    Only because so much money in the market is leveraged does that come into play now, but the stock market usually predicts economic activity and some little raises in the prime are not going to choke that off. The tax cut will prove to be an enormous stimulant.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  182. @180 – narciso

    Funny, Steele had no trouble running his mouth when he was shopping the dossier.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  183. middle-term politics, to get five times the influence they currently have, while thereby diluting the significance of the senatorial votes from the 49 other states (not just my home state of Texas).

    They have 10 times the population of the average state. Don’t talk about “diluted votes” while advocating continuing that inequity.

    As for competitive, the Democrats in CA are mostly in two fairly small geographic areas: Los Angeles County, and the mid-pacific coast/bay area. The mountain north elects people like Tom McClintock, and the farmers in the central valley HATE the crowd in Sacramento.

    California, as a whole, votes monolithically Democrat. As counties, it varies quite a bit, and predictably, and many of those counties want to break free. As it stands, Republicans are staying home on election days, or packing up and moving. Both of which are a pity. And to hear folks who ought to be supportive of their fellows who want to break free of Communist rule go on with “F U California” is dispiriting.

    By biases, I meant that you are speaking from a distant image of something that does not exist as you think it does. There were other words I chose not to use.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  184. “Country A is a first world country and country B is third world if, for example:

    1. Country A imports far more inhabitants of country B than it exports, like orders of magnitude more.

    AND

    2. Once inside country A, migrants from country B are disproportionate users of public services.”

    – random viking

    Leviticus (924d70)

  185. Lincoln’s creation of West Virginia out of whole cloth for political goals was the most profoundly unprincipled and anti-Constitutional thing he did while in office, and I’m against such shenanigans as a matter of principle. So I repeat: No thank you.

    There is a process, used once (Maine). Why not use it again? California is ungovernable. It has 1 in 8 Americans (and it sometimes seems like 1 in 8 Mexicans). The state is physically immense and culturally diverse. It is insane to have one state government, controlled by the residents of two cities to the detriment of 15 million people who they are beginning to squeeze.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  186. “Single payer in the first world doesn’t exist in any country that has a common border with a third world country.”

    – random viking

    Leviticus (924d70)

  187. South Korea

    Leviticus (924d70)

  188. LOL

    random viking (6a54c2)

  189. BTW, if a new civil war breaks out, it will start in California and may be unrelated to any secession efforts. There are hard-red areas in CA that are not being treated well by the coastal leftists.

    Kevin M (752a26)


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