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1/19/2018

In (Partial) Defense of Mark Steyn

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am

I have not kept up with Mark Steyn much lately. In the past, he had always struck me as a talented wordsmith with strong opinions. Lately, when I do check in with him, he has sometimes seemed to have absorbed one of the less attractive characteristics of Trumpism: provocateurism for the sake of attention. Steyn is now getting a lot of abuse for comments he made on Tucker Carlson’s show last night (see for example Joe Cunningham here), and indeed some criticism is deserved. But I thought Steyn had a point or two in there. So consider this, not as me signing on to Steyn’s rants, but as a partial, Devil’s advocate sort of defense of some of the underlying truths in Steyn’s presentation.

There seem to be two things Steyn said that are upsetting people. Here’s the first:

He said, Chris Cuomo went on to say that the real problem is white supremacists in America. They’re the real monsters. Not these nice hardworking illegal immigrants. That may be well and true. I mean, for the purposes of argument let’s just say he is right, it’s irrelevant. The white supremacists are American citizens. The illegal immigrants are people who shouldn’t be here. And the organizing principle of nation-states is that they organize on behalf of their citizens, whether their citizens are cheerleaders or white supremacists or whatever. You’re stuck with them. And this preference that Nancy Pelosi and Chris Cuomo and increasing people have for actually importing a class of citizen that they prefer to the ones they’re stuck with is actually very revealing.

Many react to this as though Steyn is cheerleading for white supremacists over illegal aliens. I don’t think that’s a fair characterization of his remarks. To me, it sounds like Steyn is responding to the argument: “how can you worry about these illegals when white nationalists are worse”? Steyn says that the answer to that is: “what does that have to do with immigration law? We can’t deport white nationalists for being jerks. They’re citizens.”

That said, I think Steyn is wrong to say that the quality of illegal immigrants is entirely irrelevant. Many try to argue that our country is in fact being degraded by the low quality of immigrant we’re taking in. This particular argument is indeed refuted to some degree by an argument that there are some people here in America who are worse.

But to the extent that Steyn is saying that we’re stuck with our own citizens, good and bad — and that does seem to be a great deal of what he is saying, in context — he’s exactly right.

Here’s the next comment that is upsetting people:

Nancy Pelosi has explicitly said that we should thank the parents of these so-called “Dreamers,” these DACA people for, bringing them here illegally.

And in fact, to go back to what your Swedish guest was saying, you know, whatever the economic benefits, which are minimal and are not evenly distributed, the cultural transformation, which is what’s happening in Sweden, other parts of Europe, and it’s what’s happening in Arizona too — that’s forever.

In Arizona, a majority of the grade school children now are Hispanic. That means Arizona’s future is as an Hispanic society. That means, in effect, the border has moved north, and the cultural transformation outweighs any economic benefits that that lady was talking about.

I’m not going to sign onto Steyn’s language here. He’s more worried about getting Trumpy “damn right!” responses from bigots than in making a serious argument.

That said, I’d argue, again as Devil’s advocate, that cultural transformations do take place when rather sudden and rather massive influxes of immigrants from a different culture come in to the country. While I do not like Trump’s “sh*thole countries” remark, neither am I keen on having tens of thousands of Syrian refugees enter all at once, or millions of illegals from Mexico enter over the course of a very few years. While there is something of a shared culture between Mexico and the U.S. in the Southwest, there are parts of Los Angeles that feel indistinguishable from Mexico, and I think that has changed in the last 20 years or so.

To the extent that illegals do not learn the language, integrate, and so forth, they are not really living out the American ideal. Many do, or at least their children do, so this is not necessarily as dire a concern as the nationalists make it out to be. But it’s an issue, to me.

Some reject my argument about the size and suddenness of the recent Mexican immigration, comparing the current influx of Mexicans to the influx of Irish and Italians in the 1800s and 1900s. There are some parallels, but some important differences too. First and most obviously, the Irish and Italians came here legally. There’s a difference between the ideal of someone coming to this country through the normal process into a country that can still absorb new immigrants in great numbers, and what we have now: millions of people coming in illegally across the southern border when many of our areas are already overcrowded. I’m guessing Irish and Italians did disrupt things for a while but it settled down, just like the disruptions caused by this influx will eventually settle down — if the influx stops. There will be more integration if there does not continue to be a giant infusion of new illegals every year.

Overall, Steyn’s comments will be portrayed as “hooray for white supremacists” and as total racist garbage. He’s left himself open to that characterization with the way he expressed his thoughts. How you say something does matter.

But I agree with Steyn that 1) we are stuck with our citizens, good and bad; 2) our citizens’ interests (good and bad!) come first; and 3) sudden influxes of illegal immigrants from a different culture are not the ideal way to build the tapestry that is our nation. The parts of the tapestry, ultimately, should fit together. The way to do that is gradually, with people who are screened to make sure they add to (and do not subtract from) our society, so they can become part of an integrated and (with their presence) more diverse, interesting, and beneficial whole.

That is the American ideal.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

441 Responses to “In (Partial) Defense of Mark Steyn”

  1. There’s also a difference regarding the skills of mass immigration.

    The reference made to Italians/Irish was that at that time, the need for lower skill labor was indeed a need. Or at worst, jobs were available for that type of skill. Much, much less today.

    But the left will take whatever ANYBODY says and twist it. There is no need to play Devil’s advocate. Steyn merely said what the Ds are trying to claim now: Sure, there are bad people in DACA/DREAMER, but that’s not representative of the entire group, so we should let them all receive amnesty. Or, there are some Americans who are butt wipes, but we shouldn’t kick them out just because they are because they are not representative of everyone here.

    Again, the left will twist how they will twist. But Steyn was using white supremacists as an opposite of what the left wants.

    Steve_in_SoCal (58e1f9)

  2. In Arizona, a majority of the grade school children now are Hispanic. That means Arizona’s future is as an Hispanic society. That means, in effect, the border has moved north.

    I go farther than our host, who declined to join in this sentiment. I reject it and condemn it (not Steyn generally, but these words from Stenyn’s mouth). This statement is badly wrong and genuinely racist.

    Puerto Rico is an Hispanic society. It is also an American territory under American governance. It does not belong to Spain. It does not belong to Cuba. It is part of America. I live in a neighborhood in Houston that is “an Hispanic society” but I assure you it is also very much a part of Texas and of the United States. That’s why people want to come here, instead of to Nicaragua or Bangladesh.

    Borders are not about keeping out Hispanic society, or any other kind of society, they’re about keeping out non-citizens unless they have legal grounds to enter the U.S. But Steyn has just shown that he’s not arguing about keeping out non-citizens. He’s arguing about keeping out Hispanic society. That, friends and neighbors, is racism.

    Everything else our host wrote, I agree with.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  3. Steyn’s always been funny. He’s always been at least occasionally caustic. Since he became a Trumpkin, I’ve found him rarely to be as funny as his fellow Trumpkins do, and never not caustic.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  4. “I’m not going to sign onto Steyn’s language here. He’s more worried about getting Trumpy “damn right!” responses from bigots than in making a serious argument.”

    Uh, no.

    Once again, P is looking into his magic 8 ball and reading minds.

    Everything Steyn said in that statement is uncontested fact. This should be obvious to born and raised SoCals.

    The biggest problem with the entire immigration issue is the left lies in almost everything they claim and conservatives are too scared to cause offense, they’ve been trained to back off while at the same time the left is in their face with nonsense.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  5. Very thoughtful post, P.

    Let me add some thoughts I have had for some time now regarding the argument that immigration from Mexico/Central America these days is no different than immigration from Ireland/Europe 150 years ago. I see two major differences that don’t seem to ever be acknowledged:

    1. When my great-great grandparents came over from Ireland (and England and Germany) a century-and-a-half ago, they came here understanding that their ties to the old country would henceforth be very frayed. To my knowledge, none of my family every returned to their native country for a visit, which makes sense considering that passage across the Atlantic took weeks. Communication back then was limited to letters carried by mail, which also faced a long journey to their destination. Today’s immigrant from Mexico settles in the Southwest and is a two-hour (and relatively cheap) flight away from Mexico City, or a two-hour drive to a border town. And they also can call, Skype, Facetime, whatever, with friends and family from home, so the old country is never too far behind. Is it any wonder that they don’t seem to assimilate as quickly as Europeans and Asian immigrants of generations past?

    2. I’m pretty sure my English forebears didn’t arrive in this country with a sense that the land had been stolen away from their ancestors and still rightfully belonged to the Crown. And I’m damn sure that they didn’t learn such twaddle in a hyper-politicized school system. Today’s Mexican immigrant schoolkid in Los Angeles is likely to be indoctrinated with a grievance-mongering worldview that the Southwestern U.S. is land that was wrongly seized from his people, and that his duty is to return the culture of his ancestors — a nasty and brutish lot, but that is never admitted — to that part of the country.

    A final difference is that 150 years ago America had plenty of agricultural jobs which required manual labor, and the Industrial Revolution was beginning which allowed men with a strong back and a good work ethic to scratch out a living. Today the majority of agricultural jobs have been mechanized, and Heaven forbid we ever build a factory in this country again, unless it runs on unicorn farts and produces baseball caps with solar panels or something like that. Try to find a job in that economy if you are only semi-literate (in English and Spanish) and have no technical skills.

    JVW (42615e)

  6. “I’ve found him rarely to be as funny as his fellow Trumpkins do, and never not caustic.

    The thing I like least about Steyn is his sense of humor. He points out the ridiculousness of the left just fine but for some reason he laughs most over the lamest stuff.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  7. Preemptively: Yes, Trumpkins, of course the Dems scream “racist” all the time, 24/7/365, on issues having nothing to do with racism.

    That doesn’t mean that Steyn’s stated intent to save Arizona from becoming “an Hispanic culture” is not racist. It is. And it’s possible for both of these things to be possible — the Dems’ false and overbroad accusations to be wrong, and Steyn’s statement to also be racist — at the same time.

    So save your breath with the whudabouts, please.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  8. 5 – JVW

    Dead on. Great post.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  9. “….save Arizona from becoming “an Hispanic culture” is not racist. It is.”

    It’s really not. It (rightly) recognizes that culture is a product of collective behavior by a group in close proximity to one another and to claim otherwise that it comes from the shade of skin is not only nonsense but an affront.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  10. You’re arguing culture, harkin, not citizenship.

    Borders are about keeping out non-citizens, not cultures.

    We say at the border, “May I see your passport?” Not “are you from a culture like mine?”

    If you can’t see that this is racist, you don’t know what racism is.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  11. @5

    A lot of this is revisionist history.

    German immigrants, for example:

    “Assimilation” in this context means the steady loss of distinctive characteristics (especially language), as the Germans melted into a common American nationality. By 1910 German Americans had created their own distinctive, vibrant, prosperous German-language communities, called “Germania”. According to historian Walter Kamphoefner, a “number of big cities introduced German into their public school programs”.[141] Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Cleveland and other cities “had what we now call two-way immersion programs: school taught half in German, half in English”.[141] This was a tradition which continued “all the way down to World War I.”[141] According to Kamphoefner, German “was in a similar position as the Spanish language is in the 20th and 21st century”; it “was by far the most widespread foreign language, and whoever was the largest group was at a definite advantage in getting its language into the public sphere.”[141] Kamphoefner has come across evidence that as late as 1917, a German version of “The Star-Spangled Banner” was still being sung in public schools in Indianapolis.[141]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Americans#Assimilation

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  12. “partially defending” him or not

    this is still odious thought-policing

    i abjure this

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. There were, and are, light-skinned blacks who can pass, and sometimes have passed, as white. Race is more than just skin-tone, sir, as I know you know. So why are you pretending otherwise? And why are you pretending that either culture or race, if you want to treat those as unrelated, should be the criterion for who’s allowed past the border? Neither — separately (if you could do that, which you can’t) or in a blend — is the proper criterion.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  14. harkin, do you think what Steyn predicts for Arizona is a bad thing? If so, why so?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  15. http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article195434409.html

    California AG says he will prosecute businesses for following the law.

    NJRob (b00189)

  16. The key issue to me is the rate at which the immigrants can assimilate into American culture and society. The problem, however, is that the very concept of assimilation seems to be rejected not only by a large portion of the immigrants, but also by a large portion of Americans! I’d be perfectly willing to expand immigration if our society had the same expectations regarding assimilation as there was in the past, but that no longer seems to be the case.

    A.S. (23bc66)

  17. I’ll tell you what. Let’s just say Steyn’s comment is stupidly bigoted. Whether it’s cultural bigotry or racial bigotry or bigotry based on country of origin or religion, it’s bigotry. And enforcing the preferences of bigotry is not the criteria for deciding who gets to cross into the United States.

    One can pretend this is not racist. If so, the person so contending is, in my judgment, already hopelessly irredeemable, and I have no interest in arguing with that person about matters of race.

    However: You cannot pretend, in good faith, that Steyn’s “Hispanic society” criterion — however you want to characterize or label it — is a legitimate basis for granting or denying entry across our borders.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  18. “…..do you think what Steyn predicts for Arizona is a bad thing? If so, why so?”

    If you mean it’s not a good thing that more and more areas in AZ reflect the culture of N Mexico and less and less the dominant culture in AZ in the 20th century, then yes I agree.

    For my “why”, I can only answer that I am familiar w N Mexico.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  19. Beldar,

    on the last post you went into a discussion that there wasn’t a coup because it didn’t fit your exact definition of a coup.

    The definition of racism is “The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.”

    Since Steyn is specifically talking about culture and not a race (Hispanic isn’t a race) your claim is incorrect. And he is correct that the Mexican culture and other cultures, including Canada’s, are not our own.

    NJRob (b00189)

  20. In the first place, Mark Steyn is a Canadian. If he doesn’t like the kind of people America admits, he should go back where he came from.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. I don’t care if you come from Mexico or Norway, Sweden or Guatamala. I don’t want any more socialists here. We have a difficult enough time trying to stop the indoctrinated in our own society from destroying our nation without importing more.

    You cannot have a welfare state and massive immigration.

    NJRob (b00189)

  22. 21. I am recusing myself in this post, simply because I would go back to perceived cultural norms gather some of my USMC and other branch cousins and stomp this maple-ginger into the pavement, but nk sums it up appropriately.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  23. “If so, the person so contending is, in my judgment, already hopelessly irredeemable”

    Just saw this.

    Way overboard IMO but OK. As Lebowski said: “well that’s just like your opinion, man”

    BTW – you just deemed me ‘irredeemable’ based on my thoughts alone, a reflection of my culture, not my race, right?

    I am Hispanic, therefore, according to your outlook, you are racist because you resist my culture.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  24. THe opinions of Steyn and Carlson are irrelevant.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. “I would go back to perceived cultural norms gather some of my USMC and other branch cousins and stomp this maple-ginger into the pavement,”

    Most veterans have not only a higher knowledge of the constitution, but a greater willingness to respect it.

    Even the Canadian Islamic Congres only wanted to silence Steyn and not curb stomp him. This level of threat against a conservative is so far out there it belongs on a college campus.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  26. Steyn is disposable and replaceable (I mean come on, even this is pale VDH imitation, whom I respect greatly), but Carlson is is due for an ass beating without the 7 second delay.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  27. i’m japanese-hispanic with notes of blueberry and citrus

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. Steyn has been attacked by the so called human rights star chambers in Canada, which attacked him, for a book review in Macleans.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. (27) Such a background would be catnip to those who indulge in porn.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  30. 21. I am recusing myself in this post, simply because I would go back to perceived cultural norms gather some of my USMC and other branch cousins and stomp this maple-ginger into the pavement, but nk sums it up appropriately.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 1/19/2018 @ 10:02 am

    Fair enough.

    We’re only discussing him because he was the topic of the post. He’s a poor messenger except for the fact that he’s discussing culture, not race. I’d keep Ted Cruz (natural born citizen) and his father who was an immigrant and deport Nancy Pelosi in a NY minute.

    It’s about culture. Not race.

    NJRob (b00189)

  31. Many people who are Hispanic believe being Hispanic is a race and not just an ethnicity. This is so common that the Census Bureau may combine race and ethnicity beginning in 2020.

    DRJ (15874d)

  32. and many believe coups are when your corrupt gestapo FBI and your CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda slut media collude to engineer the removal of a duly-elected president

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. Some are deplorables. Others, deportables.

    Steyn is Canadian.

    “It seems everything’s gone wrong; since Canada came along…”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzG7bBylRo

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. I think a good portion of the Census Bureau nowadays is sitting on their hands and saying yes sir and no sir as much as possible.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  35. That why we had the whole sampling controversy over measuring population, why the census office had been taken out of the commerce dept and into the white house.

    narciso (d1f714)

  36. Let me know when the government redefines the word coup, hf. Democrats would probably love to see that happen. Maybe the GOPe, too.

    DRJ (15874d)

  37. a coup’s just another word for nuffin left to lose DRJ

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. When the governor general of Australia deposed gough whitlam in 1975 (he
    Ostensible reason for Chris boyces starting to sell secrets to the Russians) they considered it a coup.

    narciso (d1f714)

  39. DRJ,

    the same people that redefined marriage and gender and you trust them to redefine race?

    Good luck.

    NJRob (b00189)

  40. I think most people associate race with biology and ethnicity with culture. It used to be that people were clearly of one race, but many of us have become so racially diverse that identifying by our primary ethnicity/culture tells more about us than our race.

    DRJ (15874d)

  41. Memo: To Fox.
    Subject: Constipated Carlson.

    Bad form hosting a show for the conservative movement w/a look like you need a bowel movement.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. Is there anyone here whose extended family is all one race?

    DRJ (15874d)

  43. a coup’s just another word for nuffin left to lose DRJ

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/19/2018 @ 10:37 am

    To me, that explains the Trump movement in a nutshell..

    DRJ (15874d)

  44. @42. Yep.
    Like Ajax laundry detergent, whiter than white, WASP — but we don’t talk about that fleck of Irish. But just to be sure, gifted a 23&Me kit to our 86 year old mother for Xmas.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


  45. And why are you pretending that either culture or race, if you want to treat those as unrelated, should be the criterion for who’s allowed past the border? Neither — separately (if you could do that, which you can’t) or in a blend — is the proper criterion.


    Nobody’s “pretending” any such thing, Beldar. They’re saying that American culture counts and we don’t need to become a Hispanic one. And you are very wrong about immigration only being about “who” becomes citizens it’s also about “Borders are not about keeping out Hispanic society, or any other kind of society”. Yes it is. This is our society, American society. We have a duty to “keep out” any group who would change that don’t you think? Why are we obligated to bring in people to change our society? And you go on: “But Steyn has just shown that he’s not arguing about keeping out non-citizens. He’s arguing about keeping out Hispanic society. That, friends and neighbors, is racism.“.

    Wrong, he’s trying to preserve American culture. Keeping out huge numbers of immigrants especially those who have shown little assimilation is common sense unless you want America to demographically, racially, culturally, religiously forever be “Fundamentally Changed”. That, my friends and neighbors, is leftist anti American thinking.

    The left has been allowed to define racism as anything not pro-everybody but white. Changing America’s ethnic makeup, religious makeup, racial makeup and cultural makeup is what is going on here. If anybody who wants to see America retain the qualities in those areas that made her Great is henceforth a racist this country is doomed. What we are has made us great. If we change what we are into what they are we will become them. Which is what the democrats/communists want.

    One cannot love America and want to Fundamentally Change her any more than a man can love a woman and want to fundamentally change her. One cannot want nor allow something he loves be changed into something else.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  46. That is certainly the way the democrats see it, or none dare call it treason, or treason doth prosper’

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. “Bad form hosting a show for the conservative movement w/a look like you need a bowel movement.”

    It’s an even worse look on a senator attempting to do his job.

    https://1zwchz1jbsr61f1c4mgf0abl-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/booker.jpg

    harkin (8d01aa)

  48. We have assumed many things in the last ten years, that Mueller and comedy were honorable men. That there is an epidemic of rapes on college campus, that alqueda waa dead and gm was alive. None of those seem to pan out.

    narciso (d1f714)

  49. OT. President Trump spoke at the March for Life today forcing the leftist media to cover it for the first time in ages.

    NJRob (b00189)

  50. Agree 100%. Couldn’t slide a piece of paper between us on this post.

    The Dems don’t want immigrants for diversity or as part of the “tapestry” as you put it. They want immigrants for votes.

    Calif is now a solidly Dem state from top to bottom as a DIRECT result of the flow of immigrants from Mexico going back to the Clinton Admin. I was in Central Calif., working for the Federal Gov’t, when Naturalization Proceedings were moved from an auditorium that held 500 people to an outdoor football stadium that held 30,000. I knew the federal judges who presided over the ceremonies that went from swearing in 50 new citizens, to swearing in 3000 new citizens.

    And I saw the Dem Party registration tables at the exits of the stadiums with lines of new citizens registering to vote and taking Bill Clinton campaign buttons with them.

    Calif had 3 GOP governors after Jerry Brown’s first stint as Gov in the 1970s. It had split Senators for many election cycles, with each side holding one Senate seat.

    And that was only 30 years ago. It will never be that way again.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  51. Actually Hispanic is a whole bunch of ethnicities and various combinations of race, and a whole bunch of cultures. Puerto Ricans are different from Chileans, and both are different from Mexicans. Some Hispanics are pure blood descendants of Amerindians, some are of purely European descent, some of purely African descent, and plenty of them a mix of some of the above, and more.
    When Steyn says this

    That means Arizona’s future is as an Hispanic society. That means, in effect, the border has moved north, and the cultural transformation outweighs any economic benefits that that lady was talking about.

    He’s saying that, a priori, that Hispanic culture/society is inferior to modern American culture/society, and hanging out there so baldly it sure sounds like bigotry. Racial, cultural, ethnic, economic–I’ll let you decide which exact sort of bigotry it is. But I think Beldar is right to call it bigotry.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  52. They’re saying that American culture counts and we don’t need to become a Hispanic one.

    American “culture” is (or was) transient; it more or less reinvents itself every 20 or 30 years adding the good bits and leaving others by the wayside– which was once deemed a great strength. Thing is, the rest of the world has never really seen America, the land that produced baseball’s World Series, ‘Dallas’ and the Big Mac a ‘cultured’ place at all. But what do they know about Mickey Mantle, JR and the Special Sauce, anyway.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  53. So how else would you put it, that would not be objectionable but accurate.

    Diversity is the framework by which the culture is kept from reverting.

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. One of my daughters married an Italian. So no, DRJ.

    mg (8cbc69)

  55. @20. nk: see #33.

    Watch the video– it’s a Friday.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  56. Western culture believes in the Rule of Law and values/religion. We need people from other cultures to assimilate by adopting those beliefs, if they don’t come from places that already share those beliefs.

    Many Texas Hispanics have done that, but it’s hard to do if illegal immigrants are flooding the border and undermining assimilation by the immigrants already here. That’s why we need a Wall so we can control the flood.

    DRJ (15874d)

  57. The left has been allowed to define racism as anything not pro-everybody but white. Changing America’s ethnic makeup, religious makeup, racial makeup and cultural makeup is what is going on here. If anybody who wants to see America retain the qualities in those areas that made her Great is henceforth a racist this country is doomed.

    Only if you assume that immigrants can not share in the “Qualities that made America Great”. Only if you assume that there’s no way immigrants will ever do anything other than vote for Leftists, and the Pelosi calculation that they will do so is correct. As it is, you’re simply complaining about the same thing “native” Americans have been complaining about immigrants since Ben Franklin turned xenophobe about Germans in Pennsylvania.

    A few days ago you were complaining about the Left trying to “de-whiten” this country. I’m still scratching my head over that, given your own family. I don’t know what you really meant by that. But if an onlooker read that comment without knowing anything about you, they’d think you were a white supremacist pure and simple. Did you ever anything like that in front of your grandson? Did you ever think that if knew you said that sort of thing, he might think shutting you out of his life is the most appropriate thing to do?

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  58. Overall, Steyn’s comments will be portrayed as “hooray for white supremacists” and as total racist garbage. He’s left himself open to that characterization with the way he expressed his thoughts. How you say something does matter.

    —-

    Unfortunately, we live in a country where Republicans and conservatives have to be very careful how they publicly express their opinions, while Democrats and liberals do not.

    MacGruber (15cfac)

  59. Western culture believes in the Rule of Law and values/religion. We need people from other cultures to assimilate by adopting those beliefs, if they don’t come from places that already share those beliefs.

    Well stated. But notice that you’re talking about “Western” culture, not American, and “Hispanic society” in its various forms shares those same values.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  60. It IS the numbers that matter. In many places in the US, the numbers of illegals are manageable, wrt infrastructure, schools and other public services.

    But if you live in one of those places and don’t beleive that the numbers of illegals matter, COME TO LOS ANGELES. Drive our terribly clogged roads (made moreso by the idiot Governor and his idiot party giving drivers’ licenses to over a million illegals). See the public schools running double sessions in Hispanic areas (and being near empty/converted to charter in Anglo enclaves). Shop at a store and realize that one MUST be bilingual to work retail in Los Angeles.

    See the demographics — California is now over 40% Hispanic, and this is increasing every year.

    It’s a problem. You cannot assimilate the influx when the influx is becoming the majority.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  61. And the new generation, will tell you why do we need to assimilate, western culture is sexist (they will tell you with a straight face)
    Racist homophobic inperialist, that is the legacy of contructivist patternings

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. OTOH, Mexican culture is not THAT terribly different for American culture. For starters, they are all Christian, they have a strong work ethic (possibly stronger than some Americans), they believe in the family and the neighborhood, secular government, and they have a fair share of entrepreneurs.

    Compared to, say, Syrians or Sudanese, they are much preferred from a cultural point-of-view.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  63. And the new generation, will tell you why do we need to assimilate, western culture is sexist (they will tell you with a straight face). Racist homophobic inperialist, that is the legacy of contructivist patternings

    Yes, but those are the children of affluent (white) Americans who say that.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  64. A final difference is that 150 years ago America had plenty of agricultural jobs which required manual labor, and the Industrial Revolution was beginning which allowed men with a strong back and a good work ethic to scratch out a living. Today the majority of agricultural jobs have been mechanized, and Heaven forbid we ever build a factory in this country again, unless it runs on unicorn farts and produces baseball caps with solar panels or something like that. Try to find a job in that economy if you are only semi-literate (in English and Spanish) and have no technical skills.

    JVW–

    Even then, there were a LOT of Irish building the railroads and other back-breaking jobs that “Americans did not want.”

    Today? I cannot speak for elsewhere, but in SoCal nearly all non-union construction is done by people who speak Spanish. Most restaurants rely on Hispanic labor, from waiters to cooks to busboys. The Japanese gardeners have disappeared and been replace by Hispanic ones.

    Sure, the recent immigrants don’t get engineering jobs, but their children and grandchildren do. The grandchildren of those gardeners and launderers are now interns at UCLA.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  65. Take my gardener, for example. He came here in the 80’s and received the Reagan amnesty, so he’s here legally now. He started a gardening service business and now has 3 crews working 6 days a week, He makes a good income and supports a family.

    He cannot read and his English is only passable. But his children are going to college. His answering machine’s voice is that of one of his daughters. Perfect Valley-girl accent. He’s assimilated and his kids are, culturally, as American as you or me.

    It’s not the people. It’s the numbers and the lack of an invitation. Things that cannot go on won’t, and this is one of them.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  66. Demography is Destiny

    ropelight (ff3917)

  67. And I saw the Dem Party registration tables at the exits of the stadiums with lines of new citizens registering to vote and taking Bill Clinton campaign buttons with them.

    It did not help that the CA GOP was strongly against Mexican immigration. Certainly they emphasized the illegal immigration, but they did not win a lot of friends among Hispanic citizens. Perhaps if the GOP had succeeded in withholding public services from illegal immigrants they might have turned the tide, but their efforts were struck down by the federal courts so all they made were enemies.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  68. Demography is Destiny

    So? What demography? California is more solidly Christian than it was 30 years ago. Anti-Catholicism is a non-starter here, ans Mrs Feinstein will shortly discover. If she ends up the Dem candidate vs a solid GOP one (both are unlikely), she’ll lose.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  69. I think Stormy Daniels could show you where you could put your American culture. And so could your twice-divorced pussy-grabbing fake Christian Mr. President.

    If you want moral, religious and family values, you want Latin Americans.

    nk (dbc370)

  70. A final difference is that 150 years ago America had plenty of agricultural jobs which required manual labor, and the Industrial Revolution was beginning which allowed men with a strong back and a good work ethic to scratch out a living. Today the majority of agricultural jobs have been mechanized, and Heaven forbid we ever build a factory in this country again, unless it runs on unicorn farts and produces baseball caps with solar panels or something like that. Try to find a job in that economy if you are only semi-literate (in English and Spanish) and have no technical skills.

    I dunno, JVW. To be sure, agricultural and unskilled factory jobs are not a growth industry, and haven’t been for the last half century or so.

    But there are a lot of janitor, cook, busboy, landscaping, trash-collecting, etc. service jobs, and I think the availability of cheap labor for that type of work unquestionably improves our standard of living.

    New immigrants are happy to take those jobs, unpleasant as they are, because the pay is still better than what they can earn at home, and although maybe some young Americans are willing to do entry-level food-service jobs for minimum wage or less, it is not work that most natives – even the unemployed – will accept. (Construction, on the other hand, is admittedly an area where immigrant labor *does* take better-paying unskilled jobs away from willing Americans).

    This is not an argument for illegal immigration, or unlimited legal immigration either – ideally we would have a system that met the demand for these menial jobs with only the number of unskilled guest workers needed, and they (and their children born here during the period of guest work) would return home after their term of employment ended (unless they apply for and receive more permanent status).

    Dave (445e97)

  71. Beldar–

    Do you think it is unconstitutional for immigration law to be tailored to prefer those from a Western culture, but that does not overtly discriminate?

    For example, say that people from nearby countries are preferred, so that those from central America or Canada have a larger quota?

    Or, say that quotas are set based on current US demographics, so that Mexicans have a far better chance that Zimbabweans or Uzbeks?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  72. So effectively, the end result was a extreme left wing transnational progressive regime that practices criminal malpractice in serving the skydragons, shipping river water, out to the sea allowing the small brushfires to become infernos.

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Dave–

    Much as I said in #64 and #66.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  74. Dave–

    Although your weakening of the 14th Amendment (as currently understood) deserves more discussion. Yes, children born to diplomats stationed here might not be automatic citizens, but the 14th Amendment never considered cheap and fast transport. Who in their right mind would board ship in 1866 for America, just to gain a citizenship right?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  75. First and most obviously, the Irish and Italians came here legally

    The first problem with that is that the United States didn’t have the same laws then.

    The second problem with that is that that was not entirely true after 1885. People evaded the law, much more than people are wont to think now, because the details were not carefully preserved. (the laws passed in the mid 18809s immediately cut immigration in half, and Ellis Island, established in 1892 existed to screen out people.

    There was a lot of a Catch-22. A person had to show he or she would not become a “public charge” but they couldn’t arrange a job in advance. So someone would guarantee to support them. They also evaded health tests. Some ports and some times were easier than others. For instance, Galveston, Texas was easier than the East Coast for a period of time.

    The third problem with that is why is that so important? It’s how you can distinguish between the two cases but why is that so important? And a good argument can be made that, as a class, illegal immigrants are better than legal ones.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  76. Is there some reluctance to distance oneself from White Supremacists because Trump has not done so? He’ll take adulation from any quarter but we all know he has no core principles. Is that how you 35cents want yo be seen?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab)

  77. 75. In 1866, there were no federal immigration laws, and theer was no such thing as deportation. In 1868 the United States made a treaty whith China which poroclaimed the right of people to immigrate. (they were concerned China might restrict emigration)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  78. Maybe y’all think it’s not necessary to distinguish yourselves…

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab)

  79. Note that Mark Steyn does not argue principles. He just argues that the current world order is based in it. Everything that is the status quo is good? Slavery used to be recognized all over the world too at one time. So waht kind of an argument is that?

    What nobody can get away from is this:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    That’s why we have people going to great lengths to pursue happiness. They believe it is their right. Illegal immigration needs no defense. It is, self-evidently, an unalienable right, and the proof it is self evident is how many people believe it, and act on it.

    But let say it is of net benefit to the United States. It would be profitable wrong. But if you want to carry out a profitable wrong, it at least behooves you to make sure it is indeed profitable. There is nothing profitable about deporting well established and peaceful people. That people want to do that comes from confusing what is legal with what is moral, an error more often held by liberals.

    And this is not the status quo ante, particularly for Western hemisphere Hispanics. Quotas were put for the first time in 1968 on the Western Hemisphere, and quotas below demand, on Ireland (between 1921 and 1968 the quota for Ireland was always higher than the number of Irish who wanted to immigrate, after that they were subsumed into an Eastern Hemisphere quota) and it seems they never took. For Ireland they maybe took in the 1990s.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  80. Who in their right mind would board ship in 1866 for America, just to gain a citizenship right?

    I’d say pretty much everyone, unless you were a well-to-do Englishman or a member of the aristocracy someplace else…

    Dave (445e97)

  81. Off-topic: Paramedics called to Sonia Sotomayor’s home

    (The Wise Latina is OK)

    Dave (445e97)

  82. I think we need to simply stop discussing assimilation and culture. That is the fight the Dems want to have. The fight we should have is whether the immigration legal, or illegal?

    Just like getting on a plane without a ticket, you do not belong there and will get ejected. Oh, you really need to get to LA? Too bad – you shoulda bought a ticket. You are nice guy and the person in seat 10A is a jerk? Boo-hoo, who cares? Where is your ticket son?

    My parents came here as legal immigrants. Took them years to get their visas and what not in order. Nothing could grate on me more than to see people CHEAT to get what they worked at getting for years.

    George Orwell's Ghost (a815b9)

  83. Well, maybe the Irish wont be as back in fashion as we think either: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/01/19/u2-music-video-featuring-donald-trump-and-kkk-imagery-gets-mixed-reaction.html

    And is this to be categorized under Goose/Gander?
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-flock-to-trump-properties-to-give-birth-to-us-citizens
    My facebook crowd was livid at the latter, as per predictable.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  84. #Release the memo! It’s worse than Watergate. Obama’s administration corrupted and weaponized both the FBI and DOJ to deceive and subvert the FISA Court in order to wiretap the GOP candidate for president.

    Then, after the conspirators were unable to thwart the election of Trump, the same treacherous cabal launched an orchestrated media campaign to undermine the election, smear Trump with manufactured accusations of Russian colusion, and overturn the voter’s choice of leadership in favor of the would-be despot at the center of the most corrupt plot against America since the Brits were sent packing.

    Release the memo!

    ropelight (ff3917)

  85. Mark Steyn is quite correct. Geographicalism is not racism. But racism is in bad favor these days while geographicalism is not quite.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  86. 81. The only benefit in 1866 would have been to permit their children to become president of tyhe United States..

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  87. @85

    Cool story, bro.

    Always trust content from InfoWars and GatewayPundit!

    Dave (445e97)

  88. @ Kevin M, who asked (#72):

    Do you think it is unconstitutional for immigration law to be tailored to prefer those from a Western culture, but that does not overtly discriminate?

    For example, say that people from nearby countries are preferred, so that those from central America or Canada have a larger quota?

    Or, say that quotas are set based on current US demographics, so that Mexicans have a far better chance that Zimbabweans or Uzbeks?

    I don’t think the U.S. Constitution vests any rights in non-U.S. citizens who are outside the territorial jurisdiction controlled by the United States. I don’t think that the Constitution addresses whether, or to what extent, Congress may consider factors in setting its immigration policies which would be illegal forms of discrimination if imposed on by the federal or a state government upon U.S. citizens or, in some instances, non-citizens who are already within the territorial jurisdiction controlled by the U.S.

    This isn’t mostly about the Constitution. It’s about what policies Congress should set as a matter of policy.

    That said: I support Congressional policies which look beyond stereotypes — what’s the skin color? What’s the country of origin? What’s the professed religion? — to instead look at individuals. That’s why I support a change to a merit-based immigration system, combined with effective controls both at the border (a wall or its genuine non-BS equivalent) and internally (e-Verify, rigorous enforcement of limited-time visas).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  89. To be very specific, Kevin M: I think Congress could, consistent with the Constitution, permit legal immigration only from Norway, or even only of Aryans — even though those sorts of discriminations wouldn’t be constitutional when applied to U.S. citizens or within the U.S. I also think those would be very, very bad policies — abhorant, bigoted, and counterproductive — even if constitutional.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  90. Rather than listen to the likes of a Mark Steyn, we should take heed of the very pro-DACA and pro-Dreamer sentiments of a Tim Cook or Mark Zuckerberg, both of whom live in neighborhoods and public school districts where they rub elbows with literally a gazillion illegals. So, they speak with a ton of authority, and the media take notice of that.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  91. harkin (8d01aa) — 1/19/2018 @ 10:03 am

    I will forever honor the memory of the memory of Mike Benevidez. As I hope you’ll honor my paisan, Manila John.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=_oUtJxE4sjs

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  92. Test

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab)

  93. kishnevi,

    I agree most Hispanics believe in values/religion, and that helps them assimilate. I’m not sure most come from cultures where the Rule of Law works.

    DRJ (15874d)

  94. ivy league tech trash like cook and zuck they don’t even *like* america

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  95. Well, according to some gossip BOTH of these guys would meet the minimum threshold for employment at Gateway Pundit: http://www.businessinsider.com/tom-cotton-rips-lindsey-graham-steve-king-insult-2018-1

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  96. Mr. 57 happy new year it seems like you went away for awhile not unlike hollywood trash biscuit Jennifer Lawrence’s career

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  97. I can make comment alone, but when I add link it goes kerflooey.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab)

  98. Assimilation is what makes immigrants successful and productive, Ghost. Respect for the Rule of Law makes them want to come here legally.

    DRJ (15874d)

  99. If you want moral, religious and family values, you want Latin Americans.

    nk (dbc370) — 1/19/2018 @ 12:02 pm

    Their moral, family and religious values aren’t ours any more than the commie Pope’s is.

    NJRob (a7e437)

  100. Useful factoid: When Texas Gov. Greg Abbott ran for that office in 2016, by his side was his wife Cecilia, the granddaughter of immigrants from Mexico. Even Politifact rated as “true” his claim that she would be the first “Hispanic First Lady” in the State of Texas’ history. Abbott himself got 59.3% of the general election vote, including a larger number of Latino males than did his Democratic opponent, Wendy Davis. (She did carry, barely, Latino females).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  101. Texas’ senior U.S. Senator, John Cornyn, also outpolled his Demcratic opponent in 2016 among Latinos of both sexes, 48% to 47%.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  102. if ivy league trash like mark zuckertwat refuses to assimilate how high should we really be setting our hopes for these poopholers?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  103. The definition of what constitutes a “white supremacist” has loosened considerably the last few years.

    And the type of changes to certain parts of LA mentioned by Patterico have happened over approximately 75% of the state. But I’ve also read that something around 57% of the people illegally crossing the southern border into the US are from countries other than Mexico. The influx must be stopped.

    It must be stopped and current laws must be enforced before worrying about “reform”.

    Colonel Haiku (779a2a)

  104. I think Congress could, consistent with the Constitution, permit legal immigration only from Norway

    It seems to me a restriction of that kind would effectively deprive citizens of non-Norwegian descent of their equal protection rights, particularly without any rational basis to justify imposing such a burdensome proscription of the ability of their friends and family to join them here.

    To take a similar but more clearly problematic case, suppose Congress permitted legal immigration only for those applicants who answer “no” to the question “Do you practice the Jewish religion?”

    Wouldn’t that violate the equal-protection rights of Jewish citizens by making them, in effect, second-class?

    Dave (445e97)

  105. “They agree on the policy. Lindsey Graham and Dick Durbin are not adversaries in negotiating. They are allies strategizing,” Cotton said. “As I’ve said for years, there is no single issue on which the divide is not between the two parties, but between elites in Washington and the people across our country than immigration. It’s not just across the United States, it’s across the western world for that matter.”

    this guy’s turning out ok

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. MSGT Benevidez had to spit in the face of the docs to convince them he wasn’t dead.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  107. 100… amen.

    Colonel Haiku (779a2a)

  108. 82… the film of the emergency extraction of the “large foreign object” from teh wise latina’s backside is now up on liveleaks…

    Colonel Haiku (779a2a)

  109. @ Dave, who wrote (#105):

    It seems to me a restriction of that kind would effectively deprive citizens of non-Norwegian descent of their equal protection rights.

    I have no idea what you mean by this. I’m a U.S. citizen of non-Norwegian descent. I don’t have any constitutional right to insist that Congress admit more non-Norwegians, nor to insist that Congress admit more Norwegians. My equal protection rights have nothing to do with non-citizens’ equal protection rights, which is good, because they have none unless they’re already within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

    You illustrate:

    To take a similar but more clearly problematic case, suppose Congress permitted legal immigration only for those applicants who answer “no” to the question “Do you practice the Jewish religion?”

    Wouldn’t that violate the equal-protection rights of Jewish citizens by making them, in effect, second-class?

    That would be awful and bigoted and pernicious. It would be awful symbolism. It might well be interpreted in the way you suggest, that is, as a suggestion that Jewish U.S. citizens are inferior compared to non-Jewish U.S. citizens. It wouldn’t impact any Jewish U.S. citizen’s own individual constitutional rights, however: He’d still have the right to equal protection, the right to be free of discrimination under [intra-]U.S. law based on his religion, the right to free speech, etc.

    Constitutional rights are personal to persons, not to classes.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  110. You don’t have a constitutional right because you’re a Jew born in America. Because you’re born in America, you have a right not to be sorted by the government into boxes labeled “Jews,” “Presbyterians,” “Catholics,” or “Muslims.”

    And if you’re a non-U.S. citizen outside the U.S. you don’t have any rights under the U.S. Constitution to equal protection. So the Congress could (but as a policy matter shouldn’t) sort non-U.S. citizens outside the U.S. into whatever boxes it pleases, because the ability “[t]o establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” is among the enumerated powers of the legislative branch under Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 of the Constitution.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  111. Not a democrat will view the FISA pages.

    mg (8cbc69)

  112. Only tangentially related, but fascinating video of what really is going on in the Ukraine.

    Warning, is graphic and something US citizens are not normally exposed to. If you are upset with graphic images and upset with seeing the world from a different perspective, you might not want to watch.

    TheBas (f00165)

  113. It’s worse than Watergate.

    Pffft. ropelight backs DACA; he’s a Dreamer…

    The Watergate scandal resulted in 69 government officials being charged and 48 being found guilty, including:

    1.John N. Mitchell, Attorney General of the United States who resigned to become Director of Committee to Re-elect the President, convicted of perjury about his involvement in the Watergate break-in. Served 19 months of a one- to four-year sentence.
    2.Richard Kleindienst, Attorney General, convicted of “refusing to answer questions” (contempt of court); given one month in jail.
    3.Jeb Stuart Magruder, Deputy Director of Committee to Re-elect the President, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to the burglary, and was sentenced to 10 months to four years in prison, of which he served 7 months before being paroled.
    4.Frederick C. LaRue, Advisor to John Mitchell, convicted of obstruction of justice. He served four and a half months.
    5.H. R. Haldeman, Chief of Staff for President Nixon, convicted of conspiracy to the burglary, obstruction of justice, and perjury. Served 18 months in prison.
    6.John Ehrlichman, Counsel to President Nixon, convicted of conspiracy to the burglary, obstruction of justice, and perjury. Served 18 months in prison.
    7.Egil Krogh, aide to John Ehrlichman, sentenced to six months for his part in the Daniel Ellsberg case.
    8.John W. Dean III, counsel to President Nixon, convicted of obstruction of justice, later reduced to felony offenses and sentenced to time already served, which totaled 4 months.
    9.Dwight L. Chapin, deputy assistant to President Nixon, convicted of perjury.
    10.Maurice Stans, United States Secretary of Commerce who resigned to become Finance Chairman of Committee to Re-elect the President, convicted of multiple counts of illegal campaigning, fined $5,000 (in 1975 – $22,700 today).
    11.Herbert W. Kalmbach, personal attorney to President Nixon, convicted of illegal campaigning. Served 191 days in prison and fined $10,000 (in 1974 – $49,600 today).
    12.Charles W. Colson, special counsel to President Nixon, convicted of obstruction of justice. Served 7 months in Federal Maxwell Prison.
    13.Herbert L. Porter, aide to the Committee to Re-elect the President. Convicted of perjury.

    Convictions among members of the Watergate “burglary” team included:

    1.G. Gordon Liddy, Special Investigations Group, convicted of masterminding the burglary, original sentence of up to 20 years in prison. Served 4½ years in federal prison.
    2.E. Howard Hunt, security consultant, convicted of masterminding and overseeing the burglary, original sentence of up to 35 years in prison. Served 33 months in prison.
    3.James W. McCord Jr., convicted of six charges of burglary, conspiracy and wiretapping. Served 2 months in prison.
    4.Virgilio Gonzalez, convicted of burglary, original sentence of up to 40 years in prison. Served 13 months in prison.
    5.Bernard Barker, convicted of burglary, original sentence of up to 40 years in prison. Served 18 months in prison.
    6.Eugenio Martínez, convicted of burglary, original sentence of up to 40 years in prison. Served 15 months in prison.
    7.Frank Sturgis, convicted of burglary, original sentence of up to 40 years in prison. Served 10 months in prison.

    And, of course, there’s The Big Dick himself: Richard Nixon, President of the United States, named by a Watergate grand jury as an unindicted co‐conspirator in the alleged attempt to cover up the Watergate burglary. Resigned the presidency and pardoned by President Gerald R. Ford.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  114. Oh, and I never again want to hear whining about foreign governments meddling in elections.

    Though I’m sure I will…

    TheBas (f00165)

  115. Speaking of assimilating, I just found a newspaper which still puts its German roots on its masthead
    http://herald-zeitung.com/touch5
    In a city with a water park named Schlitterbahn. And the city is called New Braunfels because old Braunfels can be found in Hesse….

    Kishnevi (7c118c)

  116. @115. I never again want to hear whining about foreign governments meddling in elections.

    Shah! Shah! Ayatollah so!” – Robin Williams

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. In order for it to be considered worse than Watergate, you’d have to have the media’s attention focused on it 24/7. Obviously, that’s not going to happen, anymore than you would expect a group of Democrat hacks to focus on it.

    Discounting for that, yes it is worse than Watergate. As a citizen, I would fear this much more than anything that happened in Watergate which, as your list shows, were mostly process crimes.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  118. However: You cannot pretend, in good faith, that Steyn’s “Hispanic society” criterion — however you want to characterize or label it — is a legitimate basis for granting or denying entry across our borders.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 1/19/2018 @ 9:52 am

    Consider the history of the bordering state of Utah. The US Army did some restructuring of the Mormon cultured territory. As well as the 101 in Southern cultured Arkansas etc.

    How many Somali cultured American girls are going overseas for their quincianera surgeries? Many things to consider.

    I’m interested to see if there’s any rollback of Constitutional Gun Carry in AZ or maybe it will just be illegal to own a holster.

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  119. Watergate was about Tricky Dick winnowing down Dem candidates till he got to McGovern, the one he wanted to run against, the one he knew he could steamroll over. Neither the FBI or the DOJ was in actibe

    ropelight (ff3917)

  120. @118. False equivalency. But Dreamers are hip these days.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. It’s really not. It (rightly) recognizes that culture is a product of collective behavior by a group in close proximity to one another and to claim otherwise that it comes from the shade of skin is not only nonsense but an affront.

    harkin (8d01aa) — 1/19/2018 @ 9:36 am

    You can speak of Cowboy Culture. About a quarter of the hands after the Civil War were black and a quarter Mexican.

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  122. @120.It was about much, much more than that.

    Plumb it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. Unintended premature submission. More later.

    ropelight (ff3917)

  124. You’re arguing culture, harkin, not citizenship.

    Borders are about keeping out non-citizens, not cultures.

    We say at the border, “May I see your passport?” Not “are you from a culture like mine?”

    If you can’t see that this is racist, you don’t know what racism is.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 1/19/2018 @ 9:39 am

    Buying bread from a man in Brussels
    He was six foot four and full of muscle
    I said, “Do you speak my language?”
    He just smiled and gave me a Vegemite sandwich

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  125. At what point does white people getting drunk on the fifth of May at Lake Havasu City become cultural appropriation?

    At what point does La Raza raze London Bridge?

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  126. @118/124. If you enjoyed a week of minor league sh!t hole and sh!t house banter about our Captain, you’ll squeal w/delight listening to the hundreds of hours of ‘expletive deleteds’ on the Nixon tapes. The Big Dick raised the standard for low expectations; should be a boxed CD set!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  127. harkin, do you think what Steyn predicts for Arizona is a bad thing? If so, why so?

    Beldar (fa637a) — 1/19/2018 @ 9:46 am

    It could be argued that Californian’s and New Yorker’s Volkerwanderung brings plagues and high taxes but unfortunately we are stuck with them.

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  128. 126, re L.B. not at all given their fandom of Depeche Mode and Morrisey.

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)

  129. Bedar, I don’t think you know the story of Roddie Edmonds

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3342274/Late-WWII-US-veteran-1st-soldier-honored-saving-Jews.html

    I will be black. Or Filipino. Whatever.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  130. @126. LOL. PP, if memory serves, the story back in the UK back in day was that rich American fella who ought LB to ship back to AZ thought he was buying Tower Bridge. Back in the day, the chipped marble pieces left behind from the disassembly were encased in lucite and sold as paperweights for ten shillings. Bought one and still have it in the den.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  131. Those of who will save our lives ill lose it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  132. The tapes, Jerry, the tapes (and shes from Nigerian parents to boot, no motive here): http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/19/omarosa-trying-to-lawyer-up-may-have-secretly-taped-white-house-conversations.html

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)

  133. OT. President Trump spoke at the March for Life today forcing the leftist media to cover it for the first time in ages.

    NJRob (b00189) — 1/19/2018 @ 11:02 am

    That’s a big change from the “Kill It If It Moves’ Culture of Death guy.

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  134. New Braunfels is a charming little town, kishnevi.

    DRJ (15874d)

  135. @126. LOL. PP, if memory serves, the story back in the UK back in day was that rich American fella who ought LB to ship back to AZ thought he was buying Tower Bridge. Back in the day, the chipped marble pieces left behind from the disassembly were encased in lucite and sold as paperweights for ten shillings. Bought one and still have it in the den.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/19/2018 @ 3:00 pm

    Ten for that? You must be mad!

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  136. Has stuck in eight track tape, this one, along with the leisure suit.
    So in London we have the fmr atty for Al queda who tells us terrorist attacks are just the price of living in a major city

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. There were consequences for Nixon, DCSCA.

    DRJ (15874d)

  138. @127: So, Watergate is so much bigger because of the expletives. Got it. Case closed.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  139. “They agree on the policy. Lindsey Graham and Dick Durbin are not adversaries in negotiating. They are allies strategizing,” Cotton said…

    Tom Cotton, R, Ark.

    [ ] sh!t hole

    [ ] sh!t house

    [X] sh!t head

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. Because as pointed over in the other thread, the GOP bent overvbackwards to be fair, even when extreme negligence was conducted in a number of convictions, like the one my friend clarice reversed on appeal.

    narciso (d1f714)

  141. A Harvard law grad and decorated Afghan war vet, versus who exactly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. By the way, kishnevi, this story is from Comal County where New Braunfels is the County seat:

    Texas judge interrupts jury, says God told him defendant is not guilty

    The original story is in the newspaper you linked but it is behind a paywall, so I’m linking the report in the Austin paper.

    By the way, the jury found the defendant guilty anyway.

    DRJ (15874d)

  143. Chester Nimitz was from Fredericksburg.

    If you’re in the Hill country…

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  144. OTOH, Mexican culture is not THAT terribly different for American culture. For starters, they are all Christian, they have a strong work ethic (possibly stronger than some Americans), they believe in the family and the neighborhood, secular government, and they have a fair share of entrepreneurs.

    Compared to, say, Syrians or Sudanese, they are much preferred from a cultural point-of-view.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 1/19/2018 @ 11:32 am

    Tim Wilson said you can’t get a white guy damned electrician. If you pick up a Mexican at the curb he wants a sub sandwich all the way, a coke and how deep do you want this hole? Then again Tim Wilson married an Israeli. *spoiler alert-he’s dead.

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  145. @136. $1.25 worth of sentimental value, PP!
    _________

    @138. Some think not enough, DRJ. Time mellows but we both likely recall the two-year ‘nightmare’ of it. In retrospect, the pardon seems to have been a pragmatic solution to heal and press on by Ford. But at the time it wasn’t a very popular decision and among other things, cost him the ’76 election. And the echoes of distrust in gov’t on top of the Pentagon Papers is still with us. Hard to explain to younger people that there was a time when people actually tended to believe what their government told them. No more. A life in political purgatory didn’t keep The Big Dick out of the game, though; he wrote and his advice on international affairs was still sought out by presidents who came after him. Occasionally he’d visit LBI along the Jersey Shore in summer and autumn months and always made news when he’d stop into the lone McDonald’s along Rt. 72.

    But the tapes are his legacy. If you take any time to listen to them– and the are available to hear on the Nat’l Archives website as well as at the Nixon Library site, they’re not pretty to listen to.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


  146. We say at the border, “May I see your passport?” Not “are you from a culture like mine?”

    If you can’t see that this is racist, you don’t know what racism is.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 1/19/2018 @ 9:39 am

    Making sure a visitor has a passport has zero relation to Mexicanizing Arizona. The first is a visitor the second a conqueror. If you can’t see that calling Americans racist because they want to preserve America is leftist then you are one.

    What you are doing here Beldar is the reason the left is winning the deconstruction of America. Any time you disagree with a person about immigration or losing our culture or allowing too many third worlders in you scream racist till everybody shuts up. When did recognizing that America is predominantly white and predominantly Christian become racist? It’s our heritage and even my Asian wife and black son recognize it. Only sorry self hating white leftists think it’s racist. It’s no more racist than recognizing Japan is predominantly Asian, the ME is predominantly Islamic or Mexico is predominantly Hispanic. Why are the only countries that need diversity the white, Christian countries? Why not Japan or China or Venezuela? And what nation really has more diversity than America? They don’t call us “The Melting Pot” because we’re homogeneous.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  147. @147. OT, Hoagie, you get any feedback yet on those pieces of U.S. currency you found?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  148. If you want moral, religious and family values, you want Latin Americans.

    nk (dbc370) — 1/19/2018 @ 12:02 pm

    If you want more face tattoos and the age of consent at 14 as well.

    I was at Tractor Supply the other day. I saw a family of eight in a two door extra cab Nissan truck with a 20# propane tank in the back. None of them over 5’4″.

    I will say though that I only see white trash carrying babies while smoking.

    I think I need to submit White Trash Baby Seat to the Urban Dictionary which is basically mommy’s lap.

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  149. Like when the late presidents girlfriends turns up dead and his publisher buddy cover s it up, re her diary, and he subsequently commits suicide and the widow becomes the grand dame of the post,

    narciso (d1f714)


  150. @136. $1.25 worth of sentimental value, PP

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/19/2018 @ 3:24 pm

    You don’t have to tell me you aren’t a Monty Python fan.

    BTW they do that London Bridge scam every 200 years or so don’t they?

    Pinandpuller (faee32)

  151. Of course the venerable ellsber had his own Judith Campbell problem with a Corsican acid, so how accurate could his account be re Vietnam. Of course halbersyam almost entirely missed the boat from the beginning as moyar notes

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. They don’t call us “The Melting Pot” because we’re homogeneous.

    Use of the term “melting pot” is considered a micro aggression, so people who would call us that are bigoted. Therefore, anything they say about us is totally discounted and without merit.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  153. @151. PP, re MPFC- saw it first run there; recall we literally tuned in to the BBC to watch because we thought it was going to be a show about airplanes. When the end credits started rolling in from the side to open the show, we realized it wasn’t going to be about barnstorming. It was the perfect program to learn the lingo of the land at the time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  154. The latest wrinkle is Boris Johnson wants a chain bridge across the channel, isn’t that why they built the chunnel.

    narciso (d1f714)

  155. @151. Postscript- Fawlty Towers still remains the best BritCom IMO; the writing and timing are perfect.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  156. [X] sh!t head

    Senator Cotton is my new friend be nice

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  157. It wouldn’t impact any Jewish U.S. citizen’s own individual constitutional rights, however: He’d still have the right to equal protection, the right to be free of discrimination under [intra-]U.S. law based on his religion, the right to free speech, etc.

    Constitutional rights are personal to persons, not to classes.

    I absolutely agree with the last statement.

    But didn’t the Supremes decide, in the Brown vs. Board of Education that being treated differently due to belonging to a particular group can violate the equal protection rights of individuals of said group?

    Segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detrimental effect upon the colored children. The effect is greater when it has the sanction of the law, for the policy of separating the races is usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the negro group. (emphasis mine)

    You will say that because no citizen is treated differently in the application of the law, no actual harm is done, but doesn’t a law that “denotes inferiority” harm any individual so denoted?

    Dave (445e97)

  158. 114… and for his next trick, ASPCA will reveal teh true identity of DB Cooper.

    Now… get off his lawn!

    Colonel Haiku (779a2a)

  159. It was the old guy on prison break, who was gibbs mentor on ncis.

    I’m sorry to inform you that public schools are mostly segregated by choice. The sad fact is urban youth seem extremely focused on the most detrimental of behaviors

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. @147-amen!

    Besides that, “Mexican” is not a race, it’s a nationality, and despite the census bureau’s making up the word, “Hispanic” is not a race either. They are Caucasian. Or if indigenous probably Mongoloids as are native americans. Who, by the way, you might want to talk to about the dangers of unchecked immigration.

    TheBas (f00165)


  161. 148.@147. OT, Hoagie, you get any feedback yet on those pieces of U.S. currency you found?

    Not yet, DCSCA. They are being graded and sealed. I should know next week. It’s kind of exciting almost like a kid at Christmas yet they will not be worth a fortune. I’m sure I made ten times the amount of value of these bills this week in stock trades but its still cool cause they were mom and dads.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  162. honestly when i go to Arizona it’s not the hispanics what are making a poor cultural contribution so much as the native americans

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  163. release the memos
    shut it down

    mg (8cbc69)

  164. i don’t even *like* DACA

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  165. @163– Sealed?? In an open/close plastic case w/professional grading, not ‘laminated’, right??!!

    They’ll be worth a pretty penny, Hoagie. Its just a wonderful discovery– truly happy for you. You should check any other old frames and such you have ‘hanging’ around from that era.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  166. To be fair happyfeet, the native Europeans will probably be the same way in 20 years when their culture disappears and they are hearded onto reservations.

    Ah who am I kidding. They will be enslaved or killed knowing the muzzies*.

    *also not a race, so spare me…

    TheBas (f00165)

  167. @158. Handle w/care, Mr. Feet: Cottonmouth be a poisonous snake full of deadly venom.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  168. To be fair happyfeet, the native Europeans will probably be the same way in 20 years when their culture disappears and they are herded onto reservations.

    this makes me so sad :(

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  169. Cottonmouth be a poisonous snake full of deadly venom.

    i thought he was a silly twat when he wrote his seventh-grade girl letter to Iran saying we don’t really like you and if Obama asks you to the dance it won’t really count cause everyone will just say you’re gay and you can’t sit with us at lunch hahaha

    but he’s really matured a lot since then

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  170. @172. He’s the Doug Niedermeier of our times, Mr. Feet!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  171. #123, DCSCA, you say Watergate was about much more than Nixon manipulating Dem’s candidate selection as I contend @120, and arrogantly you have the gall to instruct me to ‘Plumb it.’

    Well, the ball’s in your court pal, explain what Watergate was really all about or take the hit.

    ropelight (ff3917)

  172. There’s a whole new valet trash industry at Nashville apartments and condos but it’s mostly white people with pickup trucks.

    When Nashville built the new downtown convention center the Jesse Jackson types hired agitators to sit out front with signs (and umbrellas and lawn chairs, let’s get real). When I was delivering there I got to know a black foreman pretty well. He was basically going from job site to job site with a band of gypsies. But that’s not much different than the oil patch.

    There were probably plenty of wink wink illegals mixed in among the legal workforce. It was probably dangerous building The Tower of Babel when you had to yell “Heads” in 40 different tongues.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  173. Maybe y’all think it’s not necessary to distinguish yourselves…

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab) — 1/19/2018 @ 12:23 pm

    Would La Raza by any other nombre be tan dulce?

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  174. That Shakespearean aphorism doesn’t translate, btw top men have concluded no motive no accomplices in the mandarin shocker.

    narciso (d1f714)

  175. Off-topic: Paramedics called to Sonia Sotomayor’s home

    (The Wise Latina is OK)

    Dave (445e97) — 1/19/2018 @ 12:41 pm

    Is EMS-ing a thing?

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  176. My parents came here as legal immigrants. Took them years to get their visas and what not in order. Nothing could grate on me more than to see people CHEAT to get what they worked at getting for years.

    George Orwell’s Ghost (a815b9) — 1/19/2018 @ 12:59 pm

    Fat immigrants should buy two tickets and keep their shoes on.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  177. I agree most Hispanics believe in values/religion, and that helps them assimilate. I’m not sure most come from cultures where the Rule of Law works.

    DRJ (15874d) — 1/19/2018 @ 1:31 pm

    Now all we need is a Pope that believes in Western Values and Christianity. Sort of like the Black Adder/Archbishop of Canterbury episode.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  178. I can make comment alone, but when I add link it goes kerflooey.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab) — 1/19/2018 @ 1:32 pm

    Your comments can go without saying as far as I’m concerned.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  179. Assimilation is what makes immigrants successful and productive, Ghost. Respect for the Rule of Law makes them want to come here legally.

    DRJ (15874d) — 1/19/2018 @ 1:33 pm

    And not have 20 people die in a one vehicle rollover.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  180. @174. Do you’re own homework, squirt, or come to class prepared.

    Plumb it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  181. Useful factoid: When Texas Gov. Greg Abbott ran for that office in 2016, by his side was his wife Cecilia, the granddaughter of immigrants from Mexico.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 1/19/2018 @ 1:36 pm

    Cecilia? You’re breaking my heart.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  182. if ivy league trash like mark zuckertwat refuses to assimilate how high should we really be setting our hopes for these poopholers?

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/19/2018 @ 1:42 pm

    He culturally appropriated Facebook from hard working Dutch immigrants.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  183. @186. LOL and shakin’ your confidence, daily.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  184. I forgot about the Argentinian. Him too.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  185. It must be stopped and current laws must be enforced before worrying about “reform”.

    Colonel Haiku (779a2a) — 1/19/2018 @ 1:43 pm

    Invest in “Se Habla Ingles” signs now. Rincon el mercado.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  186. so let’s build a wall we can call it The Wall and it’ll be tall and that’s not all – it’ll never fall (cause that’s banal) and the poophole hordes can play handball

    on their side

    but not ours

    the end

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  187. Your comments can go without saying as far as I’m concerned.

    Thanks for the unpaid endorsement. Nevertheless I thought someone had an explanation. Certainly you’re exempt.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab)

  188. MSGT Benevidez had to spit in the face of the docs to convince them he wasn’t dead.

    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 1/19/2018 @ 1:44 pm

    Considering how many people doctors kill he wasn’t wrong. Good to see you tomodachi.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  189. 82… the film of the emergency extraction of the “large foreign object” from teh wise latina’s backside is now up on liveleaks…

    Colonel Haiku (779a2a) — 1/19/2018 @ 1:48 pm

    Undocumented object. Don’t be hurtful.

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  190. Nevertheless I thought someone had an explanation. Certainly you’re exempt.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab) — 1/19/2018 @ 5:16 pm

    You didn’t clear the http? You linked more than five times? You’re senile?

    Pinandpuller (62e341)

  191. You can’t claim an exemption twice unless you launder your whites with Trump.

    The bitterness clings to you.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Ellipsis Burner/Abuser (b3d5ab)

  192. Maybe that will kill the bug.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  193. @ Dave: Brown v. Board was about interpreting the Fourteenth Amendment to mean what it says, rather than continuing to engage in the wicked fiction that “separate but equal” was “equal.” It doesn’t extend any constitutional rights to non-U.S. citizens. (It does prevent govermental discrimination on the basis of race against non-citizens within the U.S., though.) The language you quoted is true, profound, and highly relevant to the remedy being ordered (desegregation), but it didn’t endow any non-citizen outside the U.S. with any rights or expectations under the U.S. Constitution.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  194. Hoagie, I could not disagree with you more. Out of respect for our past civil discussion, I’m going to suppress my reaction to what you’ve written. But if you think I’m a leftist, you’re nuckin’ futs, and I won’t continue discussions with someone who’s that futs. Is our internet friendship finished?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  195. Beldar, a couple of days ago I read an article by ta-nehisi coates in which he indulged in his monomania about racism bring the only thing that matters–the reason I stopped paying attention to him. And I thought “this man has no contact with reality”.

    Then I come here and read Hoagie’s comments, and I have to wonder if perhaps Coates is actually correct.

    Kishnevi (82cec7)

  196. Now all we need is a Pope that believes in Western Values and Christianity.

    I didn’t know that you were a Roman Catholic. So, you want a Pope that believes in gay marriage, legalized prostitution, socialism and Christianity? I think that’s a bit of a way off yet. Have you thought of switching to Dutch Lutheran? They got all that.

    nk (dbc370)

  197. No because hoagie is not in terseted in race, but others who peddle this garbage are extremely interested, coates fancies himself a James Baldwin, I don’t think has deluded enough to think he is dubois, that might be cone west’s gig.

    narciso (d1f714)

  198. Those are GNP values, there is a place for social justice in Christianity, but not with the state mandating it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  199. Trans national progressives, but you have a point about what values in the west have devolved to.

    narciso (d1f714)

  200. a couple of days ago I read an article by ta-nehisi coates

    I’ve never been able to say that.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  201. Court martial complete. Reduction in rank from admiral to civilian {other penalties to remain sealed}.

    Must have broken with the code. https://youtu.be/vB77ZqdDSZ4

    papertiger (c8116c)

  202. OT
    http://amp.tmz.com/2018/01/19/tom-petty-autopsy-results-cause-of-death-drug-overdose
    If true, this denotes both a man totally dedicated to music and truly unprofessional conduct by his doctors.
    I have had a fractured pelvis. The pain was so intense I couldn’t come close to standing, much less performing music.

    Kishnevi (82cec7)

  203. Pinandpuller (62e341) — 1/19/2018 @ 5:01 pm

    Sir. Your perception of the Pope has been influenced by the misinformation proffered by the Fourth Estate. So, may I suggest that your opinion is partially informed by sources that strain credibility? Remember your Jedi training.

    felipe (023cc9)

  204. When did recognizing that America is predominantly white and predominantly Christian become racist?

    You’re not arguing about “recognition.” You’re using race and religion to define what it means to be “American.” You’re advocating that we make immigration law and policy to keep America predominantly white and predominantly Christian.

    I don’t subscribe to that as a goal; to the contrary, I believe it is an overtly, straightforwardly bigoted goal, including both racial and religious bigotry. And I don’t think being “predominantly white and predominantly Christian” is what has made America into a country that I love; I don’t think it’s even an accurate description anymore.

    While I don’t find you labeling me a leftie or a commie or whatever quite as personally offensive as Col. H or swc insisting that I need to be ashamed of myself, it’s also not something I can tolerate in a friend.

    Good luck to you and yours. I mean that sincerely. But this just isn’t a productive discussion, or even a tolerable one for me. If you have an epiphany, ask an intermediary to advise me and I’ll remove you from my blocker script. You may want to use the script to spare yourself from my leftie, communist diatribes.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  205. Its a bridge too far in my book, for a public school educated fellow Luke Steyn a little like farage another fellow faulted for blunt talk, Steyn is very well rounded, unlike say John Oliver who is really more about shock rather illumination, he doesn’t go for provocation, but truth is Provo
    Active.

    narciso (d1f714)

  206. Patterico, he used to be worth reading, about five or six years ago. But not now. His ruminating over the Civil War, if you can find them, are worth reading.
    But then he got his monomania…

    Kishnevi (82cec7)

  207. Right when one can speak of western values honestly, but Jesse Jackson won and Harold bass lost. To our great shame, and I was willing to give Francis the benefit of the doubt, but after 45 or 50 times onecan only make one conclusion

    narciso (d1f714)

  208. So we are told to focus in the skydragons, on Russian bots on an army of killer cops, but real threats not our concern.

    narciso (d1f714)

  209. Patterico, he used to be worth reading, about five or six years ago. But not now. His ruminating over the Civil War, if you can find them, are worth reading.
    But then he got his monomania…

    Huh? Seems like you must be making some kind of reference that is sailing over my head.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  210. #174, DCSCA, I called you out and you ducked (#185) like the preening four-flusher you are. Take a look in the mirror, that’s you.

    ropelight (9d906d)

  211. It was quite nearly six years that he took the Sanford case, and came to entirely wrong conclusions.

    narciso (d1f714)

  212. papertiger (c8116c) — 1/19/2018 @ 6:11

    Absolutely correct!

    felipe (023cc9)

  213. The language you quoted is true, profound, and highly relevant to the remedy being ordered (desegregation), but it didn’t endow any non-citizen outside the U.S. with any rights or expectations under the U.S. Constitution.

    Beldar, we weren’t arguing about whether your hypothetical “Norwegians only” or my hypothetical “no Jews allowed” immigration laws violated any alien’s rights.

    My claim was that preventing Jews from immigrating violates the equal protection rights of Jews who are already here, by making them second-class citizens.

    Of course, it is not an identical situation to Brown, but Brown (as I noted) recognized that government-sanctioned discrimination against people (meaning: distinguishing them from others) – on the basis of belonging to some group – could injure the individual members of that group even if the members of that group were formally treated equally as individuals.

    (That was far from the reality of the pre-Brown south, but Brown held that even if segregated black schools were identical in quality to white schools, they would still be unequal, and unconstitutional, because they reduced blacks to second-class citizens)

    Let me put it another way, since I am afraid of misunderstanding.

    Aren’t you taking the position that if segregated black schools were equal in quality to white schools, such that no individual black student could point to a single specific privilege or benefit that students at white schools received and they (black students) were being denied, that segregated schools would pass 14th amendment muster?

    But (as you of course know) the Brown decision held the exact opposite.

    Dave (445e97)

  214. Yes plessy waa a worse decision than dred Scott, because of what came before. The 1965 act was in part a reaction to the consequence of the laws in the 20s, although it doesn’t necessarily follow that people south of the border, were denied emigration here as opposed to eastern Europeans.

    narciso (d1f714)

  215. I rarely differ with you, narciso, but dred Scott partially precipitated the Civil War with so much death and destruction. plessy, not so much.

    felipe (023cc9)

  216. @215. You were tagged and bagged w/114, Dreamer. Do your own homework.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  217. nobody can seriously assert Mr. Steyn hasn’t thought deeply and earnestly about the nexus of culture and immigration

    he saw what happened in canada and paid a price for it

    and he wrote a book what did a lot to alert people to the what what

    (why do you think food stamp wanted to do hordes of dirty syrian rapefugees all up in small town failmerica?)

    and until recently Mr. Steyn hoped failmerica would be a bulwark

    but that hope’s been torn asunder under the watchful eye of sick perverted Mitt Romney’s slicked-up-and-ready boy-toy, Paul Ryan the chamberslut

    and now princess lindsey graham spends his days holding america’s legs splayed so she can get raped good and hard (like how he gets raped in his fantasies)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  218. Yes but consider the blood shed as a result of the former, the latter seemed a greater insult, would dubois and thinkers along that line, have been as alienated from American mores without it. That’s what I was referring to.

    George neumayrs bio of bergoglio, points to the key persons and influences that shaped him in his youth.

    narciso (d1f714)

  219. Prime minister Hans (I used to think he was zoolander) waa a bitter pill, macron seems slightly less clueless in micrometers but still.

    narciso (d1f714)

  220. happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/19/2018 @ 6:50 pm

    Maybe this is why Steyn comments more on matters “USA,” than “O Canada.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  221. @222. French…. English… Canada was always caught between bases and unsure which way to run, Mr. Feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  222. He just doesn’t like brown people. And now that I see that he’s a ginger, I don’t like him, either.

    nk (dbc370)

  223. “That’s what I was referring to.”

    Yes, I recognize your point.

    felipe (023cc9)

  224. he’s a good pickle

    maybe a lil too socon for my tastes

    but nevertheless

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  225. #221, DCSCA you talk the talk but when the time comes to put-up or shut-up you weasel out. Sad.

    ropelight (9d906d)

  226. i’d for sure want him on my kickball team

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  227. I would also add to JVWs post is that 1917 was similar in ways to 2017 in ways that led to immigration restrictions: tremendous number of immigrants, lots of anti-American political groups and activities, political bombings (35 killed in the infamous bombing on Wall Street alone). People were afraid of getting the Mafia here–and we did.

    At the same time, the Dems were perfecting their electoral strategy of driving out the middle class and catering to the new, poor immigrants, so they needed more of them. Sound familiar?

    All of this I think led to the restrictions on immigration enacted in the 1920s that lasted until the ’60s with Kennedy’s Third World immigration act. The citizens wanted the new ones to assimilate. And so they did, at least partially.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  228. Also, narciso, I appreciate your explanation, and respect your opinion.

    felipe (023cc9)

  229. @227. “They’re not even a real country, anyway…”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  230. @231. You post a boast but fail to do your own homework.

    Plumb it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  231. Thanks felipe, I think resorting to statistics instead of precedent was because there were few usable ones, schools were segregated in spite of the 14th amendment, but that created a slippery slope.

    narciso (d1f714)

  232. Patterico try this
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/02/why-do-so-few-blacks-study-the-civil-war/308831/

    As I said, he’s degenerated since then.

    Kishnevi (82cec7)

  233. @232. Trump Wall vs. Freedom Fjords; our Captain believes Norway is nice.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  234. I think he (Steyn) has a shtick that he performs to earn his living. Like Don Rickles’ “hockeypuck” and Rodney Dangerfield’s “I get no respect”. Or like the Jihad Watch guy or the Draw Mohammed honey boo boo. Occasionally, he’s entertaining (My Sharia Moor), but I don’t take him seriously. What happened with the global warming lawsuit?

    nk (dbc370)

  235. Its still stuck in the labrea tarpits, probably waiting for another witness to kick off, world war 2 was a shorter endeavor.

    narciso (d1f714)

  236. Concerning Steyn, I ‘m with you, nk. I think GW suit was settled to no one’s satisfaction.

    felipe (023cc9)

  237. Patterico, he used to be worth reading, about five or six years ago. But not now. His ruminating over the Civil War, if you can find them, are worth reading.
    But then he got his monomania…

    I see. You were addressing me but talking about ta-nehiwhatever.

    It read like you were talking about me. (That guy Patterico, he used to be worth reading…) But I knew you didn’t hold that sentiment about me, so I was like “is he riffing on a movie line or what”?

    Again, that ambiguity in writing. Just like people thought I was bagging on the Trump doc because he’s in the military.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  238. Patterico try this
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/02/why-do-so-few-blacks-study-the-civil-war/308831/

    As I said, he’s degenerated since then.

    Thanks but I kinda like being able to say I never read anything by the guy

    Patterico (115b1f)

  239. @240. The talking heads are circling the drain in these fast-changing times. Fighting the current to maintain any relevance is harder and harder. Only a month ago we were talking Fire & Fury… or was that last Friday.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  240. Like I said, no one is satisfied.

    felipe (023cc9)

  241. Patterico (115b1f) — 1/19/2018 @ 7:19 pm

    I like it, when you comment. It’s like – “Daddy’s home.”

    felipe (023cc9)

  242. #235, DCSCA, you can keep on kicking that dead horse, but the reality is that you disputed my characterization of Watergate with an insulting quip, and have subsequently proved, several times, unable to offer an alternative explanation.

    You should present your case, or apologize and move on, but that’s just not your cup of tea, is it?

    ropelight (9d906d)

  243. I’d say pretty much everyone, unless you were a well-to-do Englishman or a member of the aristocracy someplace else…

    Not what I meant and you know it. People today fly into LA from, say, Hong Kong a few weeks before delivery, have the (native-born American) baby and then fly home. There was no such thing as citizenship tourism in 1866, not any inkling that there ever would be. They DID discuss diplomats’ children and decided they were not covered, but those were really the only people who would be likely to arrive and leave again.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  244. See this is another example, he got into this wicket because he echoed thecsentiment of another nor contributor, having examined the real data, even though some evidence of Mann’s negligence has turned up, he is treated as an authority, its ironic they named a character after him in interstellar, but that’s another story. Like duke lacrosse or vicki iseman, he might get some satisfaction doubtful, but the process is the punishment.

    narciso (d1f714)

  245. O.k. Guys. I am gonna call it. ropelight wins. Now shake hands and respect the call, respect the call!

    felipe (023cc9)

  246. Only a month ago we were talking Fire & Fury… or was that last Friday.

    Since then, we had sh!thole and Stormy Daniels, and I don’t know what else I’ve missed, Patterico’s is almost my entire contact with the internet lately. I’m telling you, that Señor Trump he know how to make the news.

    nk (dbc370)

  247. @248. You come to class unprepared and now insist on being tutored.
    Do your own homework. Plumb the topic. And learn. No shame in that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  248. shut up

    it’s daddy, you poophead

    where’s my bourbon

    can’t you effing remember anything

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  249. The definition of what constitutes a “white supremacist” has loosened considerably the last few years.

    Indeed. To me, the term means someone who wants white people to be supreme. Restoring Jim Crow and race-based exclusions from voting, that kind of thing. That is a tad bit more than mere racism.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  250. DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/19/2018 @ 7:26 pm

    Bad sport, bad sport!

    felipe (023cc9)

  251. @252. There’s a Playboy model paid off in the mix as well. And tonight’s potboiler is still on the fire ’til midnight EST. What a show!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  252. Wouldn’t that violate the equal-protection rights of Jewish citizens by making them, in effect, second-class?

    No, but to the extent that a citizen has a right to want their relatives to be considered for immigration (something that has come up in the “Muslim ban” discussions), they would be themselves discriminated against due to religion.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  253. What was the great offense in Watergate again, political surveillance was an rather common practice, ostensibly fisa was instituted in part to prevent capricious targeting, so much for that. We are told the bureau and in guessing their opposite number have limited resources re time and money and personnel, what was left unexamined. In lieu of this boondoggle

    narciso (d1f714)

  254. @256. Curling? Indeed.

    Blame Canada.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  255. happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/19/2018 @ 7:28 pm

    Benny Hill skit lampooning “Who’s afraid of Virginia Wolf?”

    Benny as Liz: Stop it, they’ll think I’m the cook!”

    Benny as Burt: Not if they came to Dinner!

    felipe (023cc9)

  256. i miss benny hill he’s was only kinda on the fringe of my awareness

    but then he just disappeared

    where would you click to see his show now

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  257. erm

    *he’s* was just shoulda been *he* was

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  258. Beldar–

    (#111) But would not a non-Norwegian citizen expect an equal right to have their new non-citizen spouse to be considered for immigration? Since said spouse would often be of the same non-Norwegian ethnicity, and since marriage is a basic right of late, would not a law that forbade such immigration deprive the CITIZEN of his/her rights?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  259. Benny Hill is Catholic. Not was, is. Because, afterlife!

    felipe (023cc9)

  260. know what else I’ve missed
    A government shutdown, apparently.
    The best comment on which is probably this
    http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/Stantis-hi-res.jpg

    Kishnevi (82cec7)

  261. @259. The Hannity Fantasy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  262. Our Captain is chasing the Benny Hill lifestyle; mostly in hotel rooms behind models and porn stars.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  263. Well HF, at least you are aware of BH. That is a win in your column. Like knowing “Who” Rosebud was.

    felipe (023cc9)

  264. Kishnevi (82cec7) — 1/19/2018 @ 7:37 pm

    lol.

    felipe (023cc9)

  265. #Release the memo!

    ropelight (9d906d)

  266. Hereyou go, Happyfeet!

    felipe (023cc9)

  267. wow

    Mr. felipe that’s a very real testament to the rich vein of good-hearted humor what can be tapped when you have a wellspring of refined culture and history to draw upon

    some parts of america still have that just not california

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  268. i’m still watching that was just my observation at 7 min 30 sec into it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  269. “Patterico, he used to be worth reading, about five or six years ago. But not now. His ruminating over the Civil War, if you can find them, are worth reading.
    But then he got his monomania…”

    I kinda miss that old Patterico… sniffle…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  270. Benny Hill and refined don’t belong in the same sentence.

    Kishnevi (8f6228)

  271. Benny Hill is a good example of a Catholic, in that, Catholic thought ranges from one side of the “spectrum” to the other. Catholics are free to think – anyone who tells you different…

    felipe (023cc9)

  272. Kish is right. Benny is crude. So what? So is the wheel.

    felipe (023cc9)

  273. Well it was a time where we didn’t take everything so seriously, there waa another fellow Dave Allen, he was Irish, but he was much like Craig ferguson in many ways. Camelbert mugs his way through unfunny material. That’s how Jon Stewart taught him.

    narciso (d1f714)

  274. i miss benny hill he’s was only kinda on the fringe of my awareness

    but then he just disappeared

    where would you click to see his show now

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/19/2018 @ 7:34 pm

    If you like to laugh Benny Hinn is still around.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  275. BTW… the “Melting Pot” was a cheesy chain of fondue franchises down in SoCal back in the 70s… usually a few doors down from a “Magic Pan” what sold delicious crepes.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  276. PBS thought Benny Hill and Derek Jacobi’s topless wife in a contest with a prostitute was cultured.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  277. “Benny Hill and refined don’t belong in the same sentence.”

    Same goes for “England” and “fine cuisine”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  278. It might take some previously unseen Benny Hill footage to keep PBS running, T minus 30 minutes.

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)

  279. Irony has a nacho type crunch:

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/286417/

    narciso (d1f714)

  280. Benny is crude. So what? So is the wheel.

    Nah. It’s British music hall humor. Vaudville. Saw Hill walking along Knightsbridge Road once near the Royal Albert Hall; surprisingly tall man. — You shudda seen the ‘Black & White Minstrel Show’— it was televised weekly no less.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  281. There’s still a Melting Pot in downtown Nashville by Coyote Ugly’s, BB Kings and The Hard Rock Cafe.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  282. Nah. It’s British music hall humor. Vaudville. Saw Hill walking along Knightsbridge Road once near the Royal Albert Hall; surprisingly tall man. — You shudda seen the ‘Black & White Minstrel Show’— it was televised weekly no less.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/19/2018 @ 8:34 pm

    If he was walking away from you there’s no way you could have kept up. That much I know.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  283. Here’s a short YouTube of Benny Hill with the actress from Frasier. NSFW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bxoAsvhcOI

    nk (dbc370)

  284. @283. “Same goes for “England” and “fine cuisine””

    =Haiku= Gesundheit!

    You ain’t kiddin’… bloody awful; 1000 and 1 ways to cook mutton.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  285. Maybe that will kill the bug.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 1/19/2018 @ 5:28 pm

    Shadow Banned?

    I have a little sympathy for you. I had a devil of a time importing Guitar Rig 5 into Ableton Live 9. I guess I had to find the LCD.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  286. I didn’t know that you were a Roman Catholic. So, you want a Pope that believes in gay marriage, legalized prostitution, socialism and Christianity? I think that’s a bit of a way off yet. Have you thought of switching to Dutch Lutheran? They got all that.

    nk (dbc370) — 1/19/2018 @ 6:02 pm

    I’m not actually any kind of Catholic. It’s like how I’m not Nordic but I think maybe Heimdall should be.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  287. Captain! We’ve just steamed over our own tow line!!!

    So this is the Art Of The Deal?!?! Lights out, America: superpowerless!

    “SHUTDOWN!” – Jim Lovell [Tom Hanks] ‘Apollo 13′ 1995

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  288. Things just get stranger every day:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/19/boriss-plan-bridge-channel-bonkers-just-surprised-didnt-offer

    In retrospect Dave Allen who died in 2005, made Kenny Bruce seem sober.

    narciso (d1f714)

  289. No, the dems just did a hail Mary pass for those whi mostly can’t vire

    narciso (d1f714)

  290. THE INANE ABSURDITY OF ANOREXIC SOCIAL MEDIA TRASHFAG JACK DORSEY IS GLORIOUSLY EMBODIED IN THIS ONE WEIRD LINK

    https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/company/2018/2016-election-update.html

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  291. Nah. It’s British music hall humor. Vaudville.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  292. They actually paid money to a troll farm, what did they think would happen?

    narciso (d1f714)

  293. i was impressed

    you can go back to marlowe or forward to tracey ullman / kids in the hall

    he stands in a tradition (and more than most)

    but he was very particular about language, Mr. Hill was

    this is not something hollywood trash biscuit jennifer lawrence for example is renowned for

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  294. Marlowe you mean the playwright or the detectives?

    narciso (d1f714)

  295. Twitter is committed to providing a platform that fosters healthy civic discourse and democratic debate.

    oh dear god please do blow that up cnn fake news propaganda slut anderson cooper’s hungry hungry man hole

    gently gently

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  296. playwright

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  297. No ‘nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure’

    narciso (d1f714)

  298. We have committed to be as transparent as possible about sharing what we have learned through our retroactive investigation

    did they just invent the phrase “retroactive investigation”?

    dear god

    idiocracy is nigh

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  299. @ Dave: I’m sorry, man, I just don’t follow you. You’re jumping from Brown v. Board to some sort of generalized constitutional right for individual members who are citizens not to be dis’d by some sort of disrespect shown to people they share some sort of charactreristics with — all of this happening, if I’m understanding you, among American citizens within America — to the question of who immigration law should permit into the U.S.

    I don’t think Brown has anything to do with immigration law because I don’t think decisions made about immigration policy are constitutionally or otherwise connected to any groups within the U.S. Nobody who’s a U.S. citizen or lawfully within the United States has a legally cognizable standing to assert rights on behalf of potential immigrants, and the potential immigrants themselves have no legally cognizable standing to assert rights on their own behalves because they’re non-U.S. citizens and outside the borders of the U.S., hence beyond any protections offered by the U.S. Constitution.

    That’s the best way I can explain it, but I doubt that will make sense to you if what I’ve previously written didn’t already make the point. I’m not saying you’re wrong, and you ask some really thoughtful and interesting questions which I enjoy puzzling over (including this one). I’m just saying I can’t quite grok what you’re saying, and it’s probably a blind spot on my part at fault. Perhaps one of the other lawyers who comments here can take a stab.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  300. We have also provided Congress with the results of our supplemental analysis into activity believed to be automated, election-related activity originating out of Russia during the election period. Through our supplemental analysis, we have identified 13,512 additional accounts, for a total of 50,258 automated accounts that we identified as Russian-linked and Tweeting election-related content during the election period, representing approximately two one-hundredths of a percent (0.016%) of the total accounts on Twitter at the time. However any such activity represents a challenge to democratic societies everywhere, and we’re committed to continuing to work on this important issue.

    drink

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  301. @ Kevin M: I don’t think the Constition speaks to, much less requires, that even spouses or minor children have to be extended the same immigration opportunities as someone who’s approved for U.S. immigration, under whatever standard. I think it would be cruel and probably unwise and counterproductive to allow no spouses or minor children, but I think Congress could write such a cruel and improbable law without thereby violating the Constitution.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  302. They used the rittenhouse time machine, to do it. I don’t see a timeslot for timeless btw

    narciso (d1f714)

  303. They actually paid what is prince talals valuable bail money to write that report, maybe shouldn’t have bought so many cars for everyone.

    narciso (d1f714)

  304. Boy, I’m still hoping my government shutdown as-the-excuse-to-nuke-the-filibuster plan is working. So far it’s on track: We’ve got the shutdown. Now if McConnell et al. will just nuke the filibuster and give the speeches I’ve written for them ….

    Beldar (fa637a)

  305. “What happened with the global warming lawsuit?”

    Mann has used stalling tactics and Steyn IIRC counter-sued.

    In the meantime Steyn helped expose Mann for dishonestly claiming to be a Nobel laureate.

    He also published a collection of reputable scientists’ writings pointing out how poor Mann did science.

    https://www.amazon.com/Disgrace-Profession-Mark-Steyn-editor/dp/0986398330

    harkin (8d01aa)

  306. He’s saying what you understood him to say. A United States citizen has an equal protection right not to be made to feel like a second class citizen by the government excluding aliens who share his religion.

    Pardon me while I pound my head forcefully on a nearby tabletop.

    nk (dbc370)

  307. That was to Beldar’s 305.

    nk (dbc370)

  308. not a fan of time travel scripts

    but my first boss in LA had a lot of success with those

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  309. i bailed on that 12 monkeys show

    which hurts me cause i’m a completist

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  310. Yes those last few episodes were a mess, after a while you don’t care.

    Dave really seems to care ‘about what I have no idea’

    narciso (d1f714)

  311. Meanwhile…..

    Swedish PM does not rule out use of army to end gang violence

    This is the new Sweden; the new, exciting dynamic, multicultural paradise that so many here in this assembly … have fought to create for so many years.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1F629L

    harkin (8d01aa)

  312. The length s they will go to keep a four page memo out of circulation. Its something out of ‘confuse a cat’

    narciso (d1f714)

  313. Princess Lindsey and perverted Mitt “restraining order” Romney’s other favorite slutboy Jeff Flake voted to shut the government down so they could cram some hepatitis immigrants all up America’s poophole

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  314. (cram it cram it)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  315. the other ones are Mike Lee and Rand Paul

    so basically this is a big fat yummy cummy mormon government shutdown

    so nasty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  316. Beldar, you wrote above:

    It might well be interpreted in the way you suggest, that is, as a suggestion that Jewish U.S. citizens are inferior compared to non-Jewish U.S. citizens.

    It not only *might* be interpreted that way, but (absent some innocent justification which in this case is impossible to imagine) I think it would *deserve* to be interpreted that way (that is, that in the government’s eyes, Jewish people – including US citizens – are inferior). And that seems like it should be a problem.

    I think that’s the best I can do, as far as explaining what I’m trying to say, so we may just have to agree to disagree.

    Dave (445e97)

  317. Guess who.

    “Very simply, you have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead.”

    “I hear the Democrats are going to be blamed and the Republicans are going to be blamed. I actually think the president would be blamed.”

    “If there is a shutdown, I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He’s the one that has to get people together.”

    “They’re not going to be talking who the head of the House was, the head of the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the president.”

    Davethulhu (99cc74)

  318. Funny. What’s your link for those Trump quotes?

    Patterico (9109d4)

  319. @ kish: That’s an interesting link to Mr. Coates’ Civil War article from 2012.

    His prose is fresh, crisp, imaginative, and powerful. It’s also filled with truisms, cliches, and swooping (but bold) non sequiturs. For instance:

    The new AMC show Hell on Wheels deploys the trope of the blameless Confederate wife ravished and killed by Union marauders, as though Fort Pillow never happened.

    Okay, well, yes, Fort Pillow was a terrible massacre, a terrible example of racism inducing violations of what were otherwise mostly observed by both sides as the “rules” in that war. And I haven’t ever watched the AMC show he’s referencing, but I assume it’s about, or at least includes, what he claims. But so what? What rule says that everything anyone ever writes about the Civil War has to somehow reference, or take cognizance of, or apologize for, the Fort Pillow massacre? In fact, there were women raped on both sides (but mostly northerners raping southerners), and those crimes had nothing to do with Fort Pillow. What are we supposed to take away from this, other than that white people in general are still insufficiently guilt-ridden as judged by Mr. Coates? He’s absolutely right, as have been thousands of other writers before him, about post-war revisionist history, the depth of slavery as the “original sin” of America, and all that, but is it the job of a cable network fiction show to be absolutely sure to mention all that, including but not limited to Fort Pillow?

    My reaction to this essay is: Young man with some communication gifts and a vague air of self-puffery (he’s made himself a “Civil War buff,” atypically (he claims) for black people (really?!?), and so therefore is fit to second-guess Shelby Foote), who’s trying very hard to write something new and profound about race and the Civil War and failing — mostly because he thinks he’s the first person to do any serious thinking or writing on this subject. Granted, trying to write something new and profound about race and the Civil War is a really, really hard thing to do! And I don’t fault him for trying (and failing). But neither do I see why this essay, for all its self-confident polish, approaches profundity.

    You obviously have a higher opinion of it that I do, so what am I missing?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  320. hell on wheels just made you even more pissed they canceled deadwood

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  321. Patterico- the Trump quotes were from a Trump call-in to F&F in 2013; this augmented clip resurfaced and aired recently on Morning Joe It is quite funny given current circumstances.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZFNxnMie0

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  322. @324

    Funny. What’s your link for those Trump quotes?

    You’re not going to like it:
    https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/954590994003087361

    Embedded video

    Davethulhu (99cc74)

  323. Funny. What’s your link for those Trump quotes?

    Trump is the first, last and best #nevertrump’er.

    Dave (445e97)

  324. @323/328– You do realize he’ll say over and over and over, ‘That’s not me. I never said that.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  325. Trump is the first, last and best #nevertrump’er.

    Ok, that’s better.

    nk (dbc370)

  326. You do realize he’ll say over and over and over, ‘That’s not me. I never said that.’

    I’ll bet Nancy Pelosi is spanking him with a copy of The Congressional Record even as we speak…

    Dave (445e97)

  327. @ Dave, who wrote:

    It not only *might* be interpreted that way, but (absent some innocent justification which in this case is impossible to imagine) I think it would *deserve* to be interpreted that way (that is, that in the government’s eyes, Jewish people – including US citizens – are inferior). And that seems like it should be a problem.

    Yes, indeed, and that’s why I called the hypothetical provision “awful and bigoted and pernicious.” But there is a whole universe of problems that aren’t addressed, solved by, compelled by, prohibited by, or related in any way to the Constitution. Congress has authority to avoid, prevent, and redress such problems as part of determining policy and writing legislation relating to immigration. Let’s hope Congress can finally do that well.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  328. Apparently — incredibly — Schumer must have believed Trump in the Tuesday meeting when Trump insisted that he would “take the heat,” that he’s “taken the heat his whole career,” that he “even likes heat.”

    What was the saying about Obama, that his every promise came with an expiration date? Trump’s promises have tachyonic expiration dates, which is to say, they travel backwards through time and expire before they’re even made.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  329. The deal pitched by Durbin and Graham was like a Gang of Eight wish list. No way it would have ever gotten enough votes in the House to pass.

    Graham played congenial bumpkin, and Durbin was running a 3 Card Monty game for Schumer because they really want the issue, not the solution.

    Example — Durbin’s proposal included a continuation of chain migration, and it included a continuation of a “weighted” lottery — just remaned in the hope that no one would notice.

    Trump said to give him a clean DACA bill that could get the votes to pass, and he’d sign it. But it had to have a commitment to border security because every form of “amnesty” that has been passed in the last 40 years promised border security legislation in the future that never came.

    Comprehensive immigration reform is the forum where each side would have to give, and Trump said he would take the heat.

    He didn’t say he would take the heat for a DACA bill that the House would never pass.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  330. Sir. Your perception of the Pope has been influenced by the misinformation proffered by the Fourth Estate. So, may I suggest that your opinion is partially informed by sources that strain credibility? Remember your Jedi training.

    felipe (023cc9) — 1/19/2018 @ 6:14 pm

    It’s entirely possible. I also stretch my credibility before I work out.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  331. Concerning Steyn, I ‘m with you, nk. I think GW suit was settled to no one’s satisfaction.

    felipe (023cc9) — 1/19/2018 @ 7:18 pm

    Was Wayne Gretzkey an expert witness for the Hockey Stick?

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  332. . There’s a Playboy model paid off in the mix as well. And tonight’s potboiler is still on the fire ’til midnight EST. What a show!

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/19/2018 @ 7:30 pm

    The last Playboy model died in captivity.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  333. Princess Lindsey and perverted Mitt “restraining order” Romney’s other favorite slutboy Jeff Flake voted to shut the government down so they could cram some hepatitis immigrants all up America’s poophole

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/19/2018 @ 9:53 pm

    Jeff Flake is from Snowflake, AZ and his son Tanner is a n*****killer I hear.

    In another he referred to Mexicans as the “scum of the Earth,” causing concern that he learned those views from his father, who is currently taking the lead on immigration reform with the “Gang of Eight” senators.

    It also came to light Tanner Flake goes by the name “n1—-killer” on the Fun Run social gaming app.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  334. You obviously have a higher opinion of it that I do, so what am I missing?

    Beldar (fa637a) — 1/19/2018 @ 10:29 pm

    Coates has a better future as a hip medical examiner on a procedural.

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  335. Anthony Quinn…Bo Derek…Donald Trump?

    Ghosts Can’t Do It

    Pinandpuller (1af90c)

  336. James Damore needs more than one good lawyer to beat the snot out of Google.
    Best of luck Mr. Damore

    mg (8cbc69)

  337. He grew up in Namibia, the German colony featured in pynchoms vineland, re the hereto massacre of 1904.

    narciso (d1f714)

  338. Hanson mount (the star of wheels, is a talented actor, he was on one series where he played an undercover bureau agent, then they saddled him with that inhuman script which was some punishment for being a part of that last series.

    narciso (d1f714)

  339. All President Trump needs to do is continue to deport undocumented Democrats. Keep up the pressure and Schemer will be back at the table ASAP.

    NJRob (b00189)

  340. I still have family living in South Africa. Back when I gave a crap (the mid 80’s) there were about 30-35. Now I think they’re down to five or six. My sister keeps touch, I don’t. Thirty years ago I told them to get out. Over time nine were murdered. I think many eventually did move to other countries. I know a couple went to Amsterdam(?) and a few to Canada. If they are stupid enough to remain and be slaughtered by communist black maniacs screw them. Once apartheid was ended SA was ended. Apparently the “indigenous people” of SA are the same as the rest of the continent. The economy is in tatters, whites murdered in the streets, women raped and land and farms stolen. Soon SA will be exactly like BW, (before whites). Except with more modern and efficient killing machines and weapons.

    That said they sound exactly the type Durbin and the democrats would love to bring to America. Diversity and all that, you know. After all immigration laws aren’t to keep out cultures, just individual people. Who am I to say our culture is better than theirs?

    https://youtu.be/TcNtdHOPfMM

    “Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.” Arnold J. Toynbee

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  341. NJRob, if he doesn’t get these undocumented democrats out before midterms we could have problems. You know the democrats are already planning their vote fraud for the next election not to mention having as may non-citizens vote as possible. I still say the only way they won Cali was 6 million illegal votes.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  342. So sorry to hear that, hoagie after 23 years, it has devolve to a former umkhonto guerilla leader Jacob zuma which is exactly the kind of corrupt warlord we feared would rule the roost in the 80s.

    narciso (d1f714)

  343. Reverend,

    if it’s not close, they can’t cheat. But the left still has the dead that consistently votes for them.

    NJRob (b00189)

  344. Much like when the west abandoned muzorewa in favor of mugabe, like Santos is allowing timochenko to take over in Colombia, (the latter is the well spoken fellow, who is as useful as Rooney or sasse) zuma is Zulu unlike buthelezi who was also abandoned by the west.

    narciso (d1f714)

  345. I sympathize with you, Hoagie. I have family in Florida.

    nk (dbc370)

  346. There was never a doubt in my mind, narciso. Back then I knew Mandela and his murdering wife were communists and nobody listened. The hate for whites by the “international community” was greater than their fear and loathing for communists.

    One cousin had something like a 1400 acre ranch/farm and last I heard he and his wife (now over 60) live in a hovel on about 10 acres of barren land. BTW, one of his daughters was gang raped twice (at last count). And they still won’t left her come to America.

    Oddly, at American Thinker there is a piece on black Americans emigrating to Africa to escape the overwhelming hatred and racism they face daily here in America. Not to mention their fear of being murdered by white policemen. They are such victims.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  347. 352… Funny. How many have been murdered because they’re evil white? Give it time. If the dems win it could be sooner than you think.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  348. So was the African community in S.A. inherently incapable of producing a “diametrically opposed to communism” figure? South Africa was going to be poison well either by continued Apartheid or by the predictable backlash agains those who benefitted from it. That is where you and Narciso differ. Take smallpox out of the mix, plus the machinations of adversarial peer European (and possibly Bolivarian and Chinese later in time) powers, there might still be sturm/dang with the North American natives, where today might be more like the period circa War of 1812.

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)

  349. Our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots,” Kennedy told reporters hours before the government was set to enter a shutdown.

    House, Senate and WH and Rumpublican promises

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  350. We’ve had this discussion before. The British and the Boers murdered, enslaved, looted and pillaged for more than a century. In that century, they could have established an enduring Western style democracy. Instead they had a system of peonage with anyone not white as their peons. If they want sympathy, now that their chickens have come home to roost, they can find it the dictionary — between sh!t and syphilis.

    nk (dbc370)

  351. I point out two African figures, who were not considered authentic enough, muzorewa and buthelezi, I’ll throw in savimbi and Moses tsombe, for zaire, they either go for the warlord like mobutu or the gureulla leader like those mentioned above, and when there are massacres like the matabele region, they look away

    narciso (d1f714)

  352. find it *in* the dictionary

    nk (dbc370)

  353. 31cents

    Overall, about half of Americans say they would blame either Trump (21%) or his Republican counterparts in Congress (26%) should Congress fail to fund the government by the midnight Friday deadline. About a third, 31%, say they would hold the Democrats in Congress responsible, and another 10% say they’d blame all three groups. Among Republicans, 62% would blame the Democrats in Congress, while 43% of Democrats would blame Republicans on Capitol Hill and 29% would blame Trump

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  354. After metaxa and the successor collaborators, you would have been glad
    for Greece to have joined the rest of the Baltic red squad?

    narciso (d1f714)

  355. Apples and horse apples.

    nk (dbc370)

  356. But there is a clear divergence between Trump and what is termed “Republican Congress”. At the very least R.C. could mean 3 things to 3 people (Happy’s MormoPoopers, the Freedom Caucus, or the Hardliners). No doubt this is an own-goal by the Dems, but even if they recover by November with a House of fluffer from CA and east coast suburbs, Trump runs as an unbound pity-me Rauner and wins.

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)

  357. What happened to 9cents?

    The American People expect us to act like adults and solve this problem

    -Yertle the turtle

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  358. Admiral cannot read shoals up ahead, sad.

    There was corruption in chiangs china but WA it worth 50 million dead, to clear the accounts, same with the shah, and the ayatollahs reign on terror. Allen drury was warning about this in the 60s and 70s

    narciso (d1f714)

  359. Do not ask who the Shoals call like Ulysses Sirens..they call the Party of the Dead

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  360. Its this penchant for recommending revolution when there is an imperfect regime, but when there is a truly tyrannical one crickets. The same goes with duterte in the phillipines he has been stern, but if he was replaced by an npa or islamic state sympathizer. The press and the international community would find reasons to look away, that is what Steyn is talking about.

    narciso (d1f714)

  361. In a bizarre video posted to Pirro’s Twitter account on Friday afternoon, she can be seen standing in the woods of Chappaqua, New York, where the Clintons live — and, in Pirro’s words, where she is “on the search for Hillary”:

    I want Judge Wapner .

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  362. A dreamer no doubt and a democrat voter (multiple times).


    A California man suspected of stabbing a fellow diner last month is an illegal immigrant who’s been deported previously seven times, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement tells The Daily Caller.

    The suspect, Eulalio Miniz Orozco, allegedly was captured on surveillance cameras on Dec. 21 getting up from his table while eating and brutally stabbing a fellow diner in the neck at Lola’s Supermarket in the Santa Rosa area. …

    Orozco is also known as Ricardo Velasquez-Romero, according to ICE. ICE placed a detainer on Velasquez on Dec 28 “in connection to a stabbing that occurred in Santa Rosa, Calif,” ICE spokesman James Schwab told TheDC.

    In addition to the deportations, the maniac “also has multiple prior criminal convictions.” These include felony drug and weapons charges

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  363. Whatabout Chappiquiddick?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  364. Just don’t end up like Karina Vetrano there, Jeannie.

    urbanleftbehind (e029d3)


  365. 357.We’ve had this discussion before.

    I don’t care what the British or Boers did a century or more ago. I care about today. You sound like a BLM crying about slavery in 1860. Take responsibility for what you do today, not what dead people did a hundred years ago. Just cowardly excuses to murder whites.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  366. A very UNmerry Birthday..

    A Senate attempt to move forward with a short-term spending bill vote failed Friday night, sending the government into a shutdown on the one-year anniversary of President Trump’s inauguration.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  367. Its a little like marlon Perkins, going into the native habitat.
    Spectre chose to depose Perez Molina, because he didn’t live up to their exacting standards, the ones that caracas and havana qualify for.

    narciso (d1f714)

  368. Republicans dug in to pit DACA recipients against CHIP, even though their majority had failed to make the program’s extension. But Democrats believe they have a compelling case for DACA after Trump’s latest racist tirade, calling some countries “sh’tholes” in an immigration meeting with lawmakers.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  369. See they didn’t lead with chip, a selective audience carescabout daca

    narciso (d1f714)

  370. I don’t care what the British or Boers did a century or more ago.

    They did not do it a century ago. They did it FOR more than a century. Up to 1989. Which, coincidentally, was also the fall of the Soviet Union when its chickens came home to roost. Two sick tyrannical peas in the same pod.

    nk (dbc370)

  371. Except the perpetrators there changed their suits army fatigues for double breasted suits while they looted the country dry. So there was precious little justice there, the kluevs are button men in this exercise.

    narciso (d1f714)

  372. That’s why George Polk had to take one for the team lippman and Donovan agreed, they named the journalism prize after Himalayas

    narciso (d1f714)

  373. This was ray bonner was spared when Shirley Christian pulled him outvof El Salvador.

    narciso (d1f714)

  374. they didn’t lead with chip,

    those beyooteefull, beyooteefull children of Syria..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  375. Yeah… there are discussions happening all over, especially on college campuses… https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10406

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  376. ben been been been burned
    suck is deep he never learns
    there is no there there

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  377. Has a anarchist fan, its like the washington senators, a hopeless position to be in, I did notice a Bio of Mao for children on the remainder tables, you want to guess what the viewpoint is?

    narciso (d1f714)

  378. it’s pretty easy to believe Jeff Flake raised some virulently racist children Mr. puller

    there’s something just deeply perverted about that man

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  379. Since bozos is getting up on its Shetland pony:

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2017/10/19/washington-post-performs-uranium-one-scandal-spin-control

    I only know him from his furry fetish with the Castro’s, other than that he might be a fine neighbor, pikachu.

    narciso (d1f714)

  380. what Jeff Flake’s got shackled to the beds inside that house nobody can even guess

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  381. R.I.P. Bradford Dillman

    (And if you don’t remember who he was, then look him up!)

    Icy (797d16)

  382. Oh yeah I remember him:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0226947

    narciso (d1f714)

  383. @389. Chances are you remember his late wife: model-turned-actress-Suzy Parker. Quite a dish in the 50’s known for her make-up ads and was the Barbasol girl for a time.

    Compulsion; The Way We Were; In Love And War… Dillman was versatile. RIP.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  384. No I don’t but i recall the planet of the apes one and I think the forbid project, our first warning about autonomous computing.

    narciso (d1f714)

  385. He’s on spin dry..

    At this point, any work product from Devin Nunes concerning matters related to the Russia investigation should be taken with a healthy helping of salt. Although Nunes still chairs the House intelligence committee, he was forced to remove himself from its Russia probe after a bewildering March press conference in which he announced concern over possible incidental collection of Trump transition-team information. (Reports later showed that the White House had leaked Nunes the allegedly alarming material on “unmasking.”) After months, Bloomberg’s Eli Lake—originally sympathetic to Nunes’s concerns—reported that National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster had found no evidence to support Nunes’s allegations of wrongdoing.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  386. Yes you got bupkis but go on, more marcy morsels the stylecis obvious:

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/mainstream-media-activist-net-neutrality

    narciso (d1f714)

  387. The shutdown rests at the feet of the GOP and it appears a majority of Americans agree”

    Michael Steele is a former chairperson of the Republican National Committee.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  388. Congress spends more time on the brink than Donald Trump does on the golf course”

    Donna Brazile

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  389. Congressional Republicans will be the biggest losers. And they deserve to be”

    Anita Dunn

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  390. Voters will blame everyone, but Republicans in Congress the most”

    Celinda Lake

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  391. I loved her Mao quotes, and employing Hillary risen to go after Mrs romney, Shirley they can’t be serious.

    narciso (d1f714)

  392. State-run media shills (CNN, NYT, WaPo) still giving their darling Dirty Donnie a pass.

    If he’d gotten Mexico to pay for the entire wall (like he promised hundreds of times), there would be no shutdown and the world would be filled with rainbows and unicorns.

    Why don’t they ever point this out?

    Dave (445e97)

  393. “Shutdown” by teh Leach Boys

    Yak it up, yak it up
    Chuckie gonna shut it down

    It happened on the Beltway where the talk is cheap
    (Oooo yak it up now)
    Balding, undertaker lookin’ creep
    (Oooo yak it up now)
    Yeah, he talks too much and he ain’t too deep
    (Oooo yak it up now)
    Revvin’ up teh Dimmies ‘fore they’re put to sleep
    (Oooo yak it up now)

    Yak it up, yak it up
    Chuckie gonna shut it down

    Declinin’ numbers and it’s got ‘em queasy
    (Oooo mincin’ ‘round now)
    Their rabble’s restless and they act real sleazy
    (Oooo mincin’ ‘round now)
    Teh con ain’t workin’, Dims are startin’ to sputter
    (Oooo mincin’ ‘round now)
    R’s will beat ‘em down leave ‘em in teh gutter
    (Oooo Dims really mincin’ now)

    Gotta be cool now, ass kickin’ here we go

    Shut it down, shut it down Chuckie really screwed teh pooch
    Shut it down, shut it down Chuckie really screwed teh pooch
    Shut it down, shut it down Chuckie really screwed teh pooch
    Shut it down, shut it down Chuckie really screwed teh pooch

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  394. It oblong, coronello, but its what they got to work with.

    narciso (d1f714)

  395. I can’t believe the commie/democrats are hurting Americans for immigrants. What kind of pathetic party is that? I just left a VFW meeting and every guy there was calling Durbin and his party traitors even the democrats. They keep making more Trumpers with every move. Hahaha.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  396. not even for immigrants these ones are illegal poopholers

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  397. Much like the labourites in 90s London, and their goal was to prevent another Thatcher, which they subsequently admitted.

    narciso (d1f714)

  398. Feinstein said people will die due to govt shutdown. Reminded me of this great parody by Remy Munasifi:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko

    Lenny (5ea732)

  399. Shoulda shut-down on AUMF vote. Could have saved 4500 American military in Iraq.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  400. Hoagie,

    not immigrants. Illegal aliens. They want to replace American citizens for people more used to communist, corrupt regimes.

    Plain as day.

    NJRob (b00189)

  401. “R.I.P. Bradford Dillman

    (And if you don’t remember who he was, then look him up!)”

    Offhand the most remarkable thing I can come with on the spur of the moment is that he was also a football historian.

    Film-wise. I always thought he was woefully miscast to play the Richard Loeb character Artie Strauss in Compulsion. Dean Stockwell apparently almost quit because they did not bring along Roddy McDowell from the stage cast.

    harkin (8d01aa)

  402. How did I forget two different parts in dirty harry films.

    narciso (d1f714)

  403. But they sh’t where they eat..

    At a lavish celebration by Donald Trump backers to mark the one-year anniversary of the president’s inauguration, Fox News host Jeanine Pirro took the microphone to say: “Welcome to Mar-a-Lago, a magnificent place; it sure ain’t no sh’thole.”

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  404. Every day the wall goes unbuilt due to Trump’s failure to extort funding for it from Mexico as promised, more Mexican rapists enter the United States.

    I can’t believe the cuck/president is hurting Americans for Mexico. What kind of pathetic president is that?

    Dave (445e97)

  405. I didn’t have to look him up. Bradford Dillman is a memorable name. Thinking back, it seems to me he was on TV every time I turned it on. May he rest in peace.

    nk (dbc370)

  406. DaveCon1 Saturday!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  407. have the lawless trash at the corrupt sleazy NSA been destroying huge amounts incriminating evidence?

    yes yes they have been!

    The NSA destroyed surveillance data it pledged to preserve in connection with pending lawsuits and apparently never took some of the steps it told a federal court it had taken to make sure the information wasn’t destroyed, according to recent court filings.

    Word of the NSA’s “foul-up” is emerging just as Congress has extended for six years the legal authority the agency uses for much of its surveillance work conducted through U.S. internet providers and tech firms. President Donald Trump signed that measure into law Friday.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  408. You think it’s better for the government to preserve illegally obtained information so that every dipstick and his brother can embarrass it with it in some dippy lawsuit, instead of destroying it so it can no longer be used illegally against Americans?

    nk (dbc370)

  409. Oh, I forgot. You think Putin’s pervy poofter boy Edward Snowden is some kind of hero, don’t you?

    nk (dbc370)

  410. Who is funding the lawsuits, BTW? Has anybody asked like they asked who was funding Gloria Allred?

    nk (dbc370)

  411. What an ingrate!

    Schumer: Negotiating with Trump is like “negotiating with Jell-O”

    What a nasty thing to say, after all that money Trump has donated to him!

    Dave (445e97)

  412. Jellied Stay-Puft Marshmallow-in-Chief.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  413. No one negotiates better than I do.

    No one has more respect for the wimmenz..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  414. Advice for Been Burned, provided by Pointy Williams…

    “If at first you don’t succeed, get out teh motherf*ckin’ kitchen.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  415. In full defense of Mark Steyn.

    It is, or should be, common knowledge that an ascendant and ever-assertive Left is quite willing to turn Western nations into dumpsters in order to procure immigrant votes and advantageous electoral results. These quislings demand, observes Geoffrey Hunt in American Thinker, “that we disembowel Western civilization and instead venerate all non-white, post-colonial cultures,” which is nothing less than an “open invitation for failed states to plant their failed cultures and wretchedness here.” Indeed, if Western civilization were not endowed with superior attributes, why would it be besieged by foreign claimants for its freedoms, perquisites and shelter?

    Why this mass exodus from countries whose cultures are equal to or better than ours?

    There is no shame in cherishing and defending one’s “old country” patrimony and the values upon which civic and communal life are founded. This has nothing to do with an antecedent “Eurocentrism” that ostensibly degrades other peoples or with the risible canard of “white supremacy,” but with the sense of belonging to, for all its flaws and errors, the greatest civilization ever to appear on earth, a Judeo-Hellenic-Christian civilization that gave us, among innumerable gifts, the Bible and the Greek library, the magna carta, the concept of individual liberty, scientific and medical advances never before seen, and a technological, commercial and industrial infrastructure that has made life easier for untold millions.

    TheBas (f00165)

  416. 344 narciso

    Anson Mount is from my adopted home county.

    So I had Minnie Pearl to the west of me, Anson to the east and here I am stuck in the middle with Anthony Weiner Sex Rehab.

    Pinandpuller (0de940)

  417. they figured that out by the time of avengers civil war, the problem as I see it, from this most recent example they weren’t being too diligent in who they targeted

    narciso (d1f714)

  418. ” Judeo-Hellenic-Christian civilization that gave us, among innumerable gifts, the Bible and the Greek library, the magna carta, the concept of individual liberty, scientific and medical advances never before seen, and a technological, commercial and industrial infrastructure that has made life easier for untold millions.”

    All for the benefit of whom? Please step out of your skin and assume you can find a single beneficial contribution man has made to the Earth. If you can’t then assume mankind is more virus than beneficial organism.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  419. @424

    Pardon me, but weren’t the STASI trying to keep people from leaving? I don’t think Trump minds if people smuggle blue jeans, coke and Elvis records into America.

    Pinandpuller (0de940)

  420. back into the primordial soup then, what are you some kind of mutant?

    narciso (d1f714)

  421. probably the same guy behind the intercept, huma’s former employer, prince talal is tapped out, prince azizi is dead, some bigshot in Qatar,

    narciso (d1f714)

  422. this is frank Olson’s nephew, but he still entertains the delusional notes i remarked from 60 years ago

    http://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Good-Assassin/Paul-Vidich/9781501110443?cp_type=eBookDeals&rmid=201707_eBook_Deals_Alerts_EMD&rrid=6385906

    mind you this was what lyman Kirkpatrick, the real life version of alex Conklin, from the bourne books thought as well

    narciso (d1f714)

  423. Narnia is for Narnians, Calorman. Feel free to step thru the portal.

    Pinandpuller (0de940)

  424. I like to go small to large. Can anyone think of onel beneficial contribution of a man named Ben to the comment section of a certain blog?

    Pinandpuller (0de940)

  425. Well, one such comment, certainly, would be “I’m outta here, forever! Good bye!” But has that comment been submitted?

    felipe (023cc9)

  426. They named a town in California for the last guy killed by a bear. I’d go to the ribbon cutting of Bensboro, CA.

    Pinandpuller (0de940)

  427. felipe has discovered the Ben Burn Paradox.

    Pinandpuller (0de940)

  428. IF the Earth wants benefits it should hire a federal judge, a couple of senators and a bunch of lawyers.

    Pinandpuller (0de940)

  429. I also stretch my credibility before I work out.
    Pinandpuller (1af90c) — 1/19/2018 @ 11:52 pm

    LOL! I’m going to use that.

    felipe (023cc9)

  430. Yes, yes we all know glib one-liners are SOP for the GOPers for the defunct de facto Whigs of today.

    Farewell and adieu my fair ladies..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)


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