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1/16/2018

Trump Given Clean Bill Of Health By Presidential Physician, Doesn’t Stop Know-It-All Journo From Impugning Physician’s Professionalism And Ability To Read A Scale Correctly

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:28 pm

[guest post by Dana]

I cannot believe this is even an issue but this is where we find ourselves.

President Trump was declared mentally and physically fit today by presidential physician Navy Rear Adm. Dr. Ronny Jackson after having undergone a complete physical examination. First, concerns about the president’s mental fitness to execute his job were answered:

[A]t Trump’s urging, Jackson selected and administered the Montreal Cognitive Assessment during the president’s physical exam last week at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

The exam tests for cognitive disorders, like Alzheimer’s disease, that can occur in older patients. It asks people to identify animals, draw shapes and recall certain words. It is not a psychological evaluation.

Trump scored a 30 out of 30, Jackson said, a score he said should put to rest questions about Trump’s mental fitness.

“There’s no indication whatsoever that he has any cognitive issues,” Jackson said. “I’ve found no reason whatsoever to think the president has any issues whatsoever with his thought processes.”

Second, the president also got a clean bill of health for his physical fitness:

He said that Trump’s “overall health is excellent,” adding that the president had mostly normal results on several tests of his cholesterol and heart health.

“His cardiac performance during his physical exam was very good, he continues to enjoy the significant, long-term cardiac and overall health benefits that come from a lifetime of abstinence from tobacco and alcohol,” Jackson said.

“All data indicates the president is healthy and will remain so for the duration of his presidency,” he added.

Only his weight appears to be an issue. Weighing in at 239 lbs., the president is reportedly one pound away from being obese. Dr. Jackson would like him to drop 10-15 lbs. Of course this presented yet another an irresistible opportunity for a *professional* physician journalist to pounce:

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Like this guy would ask Hillary Clinton the same question if she had become president, right??? Again, the report on the president’s health wasn’t made by just anybody. It was determined by Navy Rear Adm. Dr. Ronny Jackson who was named Physician to the President by President Obama. He joined the White House medical team in 2006 and has reportedly cared for three presidents.

Further:

Jackson grew up in west Texas and attended Texas A&M and the University of Texas Medical Branch. The Navy doctor, who specializes in emergency medicine, has served in Pearl Harbor, Panama City, Fla., and with a forward-deployed surgical platoon in Iraq.

So I’m pretty sure this guy knows how to weigh people correctly, as well as report his findings accurately.

I’m also pretty sure he knows how to handle himself before a less than receptive crowd:

The battle-test doctor wasn’t taking any chances as he stepped in front of the microphones on Tuesday. He reminded reporters that as chief White House physician, he sometimes provides medical care for reporters who get sick while covering the president.

“If something should happen to you over the next few months and you should fall ill at some point, most likely I will be the one called to come take care of you,” he said. “So when you ask your questions please keep that in mind.”

Before the press conference, President Trump made it clear that he had nothing to hide:

“He said, ‘I want you to get out there and I want you to talk to them and I want you to answer every single question they have,’ ” Jackson said.

How telling it is to sense there is a real disappointment about this sitting president receiving a clean bill of health. I don’t care who the president is, I wish good health on all. And if you’re outraged by this president’s leadership or lack thereof, then harness that energy and work very hard to elect someone else next election cycle. Until then, it looks like any 25th Amendment dreams have been shattered.

P.S. If you’re interested, you can read a thread here about whether Trump is really 6’2″ or 6’3″…

–Dana

282 Responses to “Trump Given Clean Bill Of Health By Presidential Physician, Doesn’t Stop Know-It-All Journo From Impugning Physician’s Professionalism And Ability To Read A Scale Correctly”

  1. God, we live in a stupid time.

    Dana (023079)

  2. How telling it is to sense there is a real disappointment about this sitting president receiving a clean bill of health.

    Nearly 72, borderline obese; a fast-food junkie who lives on five hours sleep w/no exercise is now considered a “clean bill of health.”

    I’ll live to be 100.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. i can’t remember where but I think i heard that dirty weight watcher lesbian and prospective presidential candidate oprah winfrey has struggled with her weight in the past

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. “borderline obese” at 72 is also known as “not obese” and “way the heck less obese than most 72yos.” Especially if you normalize for wealth.

    Bill Clinton has only lost weight recently because he’s so ill.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  5. First world problems, Dana. They didn’t notice that Biden had
    all the symptoms of mad cow.

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. Doctors! What do they know?

    nk (dbc370)

  7. Doctors! What do they know?

    Certainly not as much as journos playing doctor!

    Dana (023079)

  8. I don’t mind paying doctors.
    Lawyers are another story.

    mg (8cbc69)

  9. Of the 10 slimmest presidents 3 died in office, while none of the 10 fattest presidents did (assuming BMI = fat, which it doesn’t). Teddy Roosevelt had a BMI of 30 yet was one of the fittest men to hold the office.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  10. I meant to put in the post , and still might add it, that a clean bill of health doesn’t mean that Trump is fit for the presidency. That’s another discussion. He can be both physically and mentally fit! as well as a liar, exaggerator, conman, and incurious individual with no governing experience.

    Dana (023079)

  11. L.A. Times Disowns Reporter Outed as a CIA Collaborator

    Recently released emails indicate that prominent national security reporter Ken Dilanian — formerly with the Los Angeles Times, currently with the Associated Press (and from 1997-2007 the Philadelphia Inquirer) — shared stories prior to publication with CIA press office seeking their approval, according to a story up on The Intercept.

    Now, it is not uncommon for national security reporters to vet facts with government functionaries, but the emails indicate Dilanian went much further than that, not only sharing stories prior to publication (a big no-no in almost every newsroom) but he also entered into discussions about how the CIA could bend public opinion of drone strikes their way.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  12. incurious individual with no governing experience

    he has a year’s more presidential experience than smarmy harvardtrash ted

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. @6.Doctors! What do they know?

    Sometimes, not much; my own late father, who was 70 at the time, had a cold, went to the doctor for a check-up w/it, was cleared, handed some OTC meds for it and literally ten days later, dropped dead in his bedroom. Silent killer… the doctor simply didn’t catch it.

    __________

    President Trump was declared mentally and physically fit today by presidential physician Navy Rear Adm. Dr. Ronny Jackson after having undergone a complete physical examination.

    And if he wasn’t, do you seriously believe Doktor Ronny would have stood before the cameras and announced to the world ‘President Donald Trump, leader of the Free World, the man with America’s nuclear codes, is not hitting on all cylinders’… world markets would have plummeted with every syllable.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. So glad the doc didn’t find horns. It’s not impossible.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/exjon/status/953421602451935232

    harkin (8256c3)

  15. Our Captain can be both physically fit and mentally unfit, Dana.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  16. Certainly not as much as journos playing doctor!

    Or Democrats playing journos, meaning everyone with a press badge.

    random viking (6a54c2)

  17. But honestly, what day to day stress did he have that be a force multiplier at that BUM and poor diet. Also he avoided diabetes, liver issues and likely pancreatic cancer by going dry.

    urbanleftbehind (6eb13a)

  18. BMI

    urbanleftbehind (6eb13a)

  19. How is 30/30 in cognitive ability unfit? Funny how FDR hid his wheelchair but Trump tells his doctor to go answer questions and he’s unfit. That’s a typical leftist nomenclature for somebody they don’t like. It’s like the Soviets and their “psychiatrists” deciding if they disagree with you you’re crazy and unfit. I dread what happens when you guys take over again. How many of us will be “reeducated” like the judge ordered for Dinesh D’Souza and how many murdered like the 25 million suggested by Bill Ayres?

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  20. And if he wasn’t, do you seriously believe Doktor Ronny would have stood before the cameras and announced to the world ‘President Donald Trump, leader of the Free World, the man with America’s nuclear codes, is not hitting on all cylinders’… world markets would have plummeted with every syllable.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/16/2018 @ 5:50 pm

    Honestly, I’m not sure how that would be handled.

    Dana (023079)

  21. 11) and yet they don’t make the connection with Chris Stevens
    as the most accesiblr hvt

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. he’s a good strong man very robust

    sharp as all get out

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. I’m between 6’2″ and 6’3″, and I have a heavier frame than Trump (my glove size is Extra Large), and at 190 lbs I can pinch more than an inch on the sides of my waist. So I do not find it incredible that Trump weighs 239 lbs. I would have said he looks to be around 225 lbs if asked, but that’s because of good tailoring and I suspect a bodyshaper.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. Trump scored a 30 out of 30, Jackson said, a score he said should put to rest questions about Trump’s mental fitness.

    Hmmm. Seems we’ve heard tell of a Navy doctor getting it wrong before… now which movie about steaming over tow lines and a missing quart of frozen strawberries was that?

    “… dementia describes a group of symptoms affecting memory, thinking and social abilities severely enough to interfere with daily functioning. Though dementia generally involves memory loss, memory loss has different causes. So memory loss alone doesn’t mean you have dementia. Alzheimer’s disease is the most common cause of a progressive dementia in older adults, but there are a number of causes of dementia. Depending on the cause, some dementia symptoms can be reversed.”

    Symptoms

    Dementia symptoms vary depending on the cause, but common signs and symptoms include:

    Cognitive changes

    •Memory loss, which is usually noticed by a spouse or someone else
    •Difficulty communicating or finding words
    •Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
    •Difficulty handling complex tasks
    •Difficulty with planning and organizing
    •Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
    •Confusion and disorientation

    Psychological changes

    •Personality changes
    •Depression
    •Anxiety
    •Inappropriate behavior
    •Paranoia
    •Agitation
    •Hallucinations

    source – http://www.mayoclinic.org

    If Trump was your crazy Uncle Donald, your child’s school bus driver, your pharmacist, a licensed pilot, or maybe the captain of a U.S. Navy minesweeper– or the ship-of-state– you’d want him to be more thoroughly examined specifically for dementia based on the symptoms he displays given the lives and property at stake. Or you can ignore what you keep seeing with your own eyes and wait for Typhoon Kim Jong-Un– it’s on the horizon.

    “Will you look at the man? He’s a Freudian delight; he crawls with clues!” – Tom Keefer [Fred MacMurray] ‘The Caine Mutiny’ 1954

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. @20. Honestly, I’m not sure how that would be handled.

    Dana– recall FDR’s end– through the last election the doctors knew he had only a few months to live w/a bad heart but in the midst of a war they kept it quiet and let Nature take its course.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  26. I am constantly amazed by the level of professionalism displayed by the news media. The enthusiasm and zeal they show as they search for the facts, just the facts, are a model for all of us.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  27. I, for one, am thrilled to learn that the president is not cognitively impaired, but rather acts that way on purpose.

    Davethulhu (99cc74)

  28. Isn’t it coronello, its like an ongoing car wreck.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. Okay, DCSCA regardless if what the doctors say, regardless of anything you’re content to self diagnose off a website because you won’t take “Yes” for an answer. However, you needn’t keep reposting the same thing over and over like Dave does. We get your point. Now, so what? Wanna overthrow the government? Go grab a gun and call me when you reach the barricades.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  30. Dementia symptoms vary depending on the cause, but common signs and symptoms include:

    You forgot one:

    •Republican affiliation, especially if having won an election

    random viking (6a54c2)


  31. 27.I, for one, am thrilled to learn that the president is not cognitively impaired, but rather acts that way on purpose.


    Oddly, we feel the same way about you.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  32. Squidtastic, Cthulhu!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. @26.=Haiku!= Gesundhelt! @28. Clean up on aisle Trump:

    “Freedom is messy…”- former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  34. 29… teh strawberries, they’ve failed him!

    On to dingleberries, ASPCA…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  35. Hoagie and Haiku, masters of the “No you” form of repartee.

    Davethulhu (99cc74)

  36. “I know you are but what am I?”

    ah, the classics

    Davethulhu (99cc74)

  37. Its only a question of who will meltdown like toh in raiders, or perhaps belloq

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. @28. Take the politics and agendas out of it, Hoagie– just have him checked out specifically for dementia– for his own sake as well as ours. Clearly something isn’t right. That 4 hour exam was like having your car inspected for the state sticker. If there’s nothing to be found, then something else is obviously going on.

    OT– BTW, Hoagie, wondering if you’ve gotten any news on those pieces of currency you found– and if you’ve discovered anything else hidden.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. I know what 240 looks like on someone three inches shorter than Trump. It doesnt matter to me, but he’s obviously pushing 260ish.

    Rich (de9149)

  40. @34. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Mueller ain’t got him on the witness stand, yet. But you could lend him your own dingleberries to roll around in his hand when he cracks like an egg– which to Bannon, apparently runs in the family.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. Oops- #38 was for Hoagie at #29.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. Trump is only the second president to have instant mass communication at his disposal. Obama didn’t make a fool out of himself on Twitter, but that was mostly due to laziness. Cher said it all for him.

    Were it not for the twitter account, Trump would not be NEARLY in such a pickle. We don’t have enough data points to claim that Trump is weird in this regard.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  43. 43.Trump is only the second president to have instant mass communication at his disposal.

    Hmmmm. Radio is prtty quick; Harding used it first, then Coolidge, Hoover, FDR, Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, The Big Dick, Ford, Carter, Reagan (on weekends), Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama and now Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. He didn’t need to, he had at least a 100 stengraphers, and those are just in the press gallery,

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. In real news the Japanes broadcaster ntk also had a warning siren, so this want some mere drill on the islands.

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. 45… now that was just plain mean, narciso.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. That s the nicest thing that can be said above, that they are denebian slimedevils who along with the two minute hates in Sanford or Frankfurt Kentucky or south bend Indiana, that they are so complicit with totalitarian regimes that they deserve to be labeled as enemy agents

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. Anyone who supports a socialist ideology and believes we can make it work this time is mentally unfit and the definition of insane.

    NJRob (a2ce40)

  49. President Taft did not get stuck in a bathtub
    http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/did-william-howard-taft-really-get-stuck-in-a-bathtub
    But..

    years later, the ex-president’s bathing habits again made news when at a Cape May, New Jersey, hotel he “failed properly to consider the size of the average seashore hotel bathtub.” The water displaced by his tremendous girth flooded the floor and trickled onto the heads of guests in the downstairs dining room. As a wistful Taft gazed out at the Atlantic Ocean the next morning, he said, “I’ll get a piece of that fenced in some day, and then when I venture in, there won’t be any overflow.”

    Kishnevi (42c62a)


  50. Dementia symptoms vary depending on the cause, but common signs and symptoms include:

    Alzheimer’s actually begins years before any diagnosable symptoms appear, and it can be a decade or so before anyone starts to notice that Mom’s been misplacing the keys a lot. The first actual symptoms are personality changes as reasoning ability starts to decline: the patient may, for instance, become more argumentative, or less: possibilities are rather broad. Iris Murdoch had it. A researcher after her death went over her last novel and discovered her syntax and vocabulary were noticeably more basic/simplified than previous novels. Meaning that she still functioned welk enough to produce a publishable novel despite being in the early stages.

    However,since Trump seems to be acting the same as he always has, either he has no signs of the disease or he’s been suffering from it for his entire life.

    Kishnevi (42c62a)


  51. 43.Trump is only the second president to have instant mass communication at his disposal.

    Hmmmm. Radio is prtty quick; Harding used it first, then Coolidge, Hoover, FDR, Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, The Big Dick, Ford, Carter, Reagan (on weekends), Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama and now Trump.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/16/2018 @ 7:17 pm

    Hmmmm. Kevin M didn’t say “pretty quick”, DCSCA, ne said “instant”. That’s beside the fact you know precisely what mass communications he was referring to. If Clinton had it he’d be Carlos Danger’s cell mate.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  52. IAMAD but I sure have examined a lot of them under oath — more in the early years of my practice when I did lots of personal injury defense and pharmaceuticals litigation, but still with some frequency. This doc made a helluva good witness, and the press questioning was particularly pathetic. I’m sure Trump watched the whole thing. Indeed, he might have done a happy dance while watching — which would at least be some exercise for the day, right?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  53. @53. Radio is essentially instant, Hoagie.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  54. *IANAD, sorry. (I am not a doctor [but I play one on TV etc.].)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  55. “Scott Adams talks about the healthiest president ever while drinking the tears of his enemies.”

    https://t.co/ikmL9CyKZE

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. Would he, it took six years, for Carlos danger to be winged by the equivalent of a speeding ticket. And that was the leastvof his and his charming consorts offenses.

    Ot how many emailed have they read of the atrzok page inbroglio

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. The lamentations have been loud certainly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. @52. By varying degrees to be sure. But it can be symptomatic of some other issues- personally disorder or such which could be managed w/medication. Thing is, politics and agendas aside, pretty much every one visiting this blog has both oars in the water– even Haiku when the tide’s high– but those familiar w/Trump’s antics – particularly from the NYC days in the 80s– can see there’s something askew w/him beyond the ritual and flamboyance of showmanship. the responsibilities are much bigger along with the consequences for any mistakes. It needs tended to before something genuinely serious crops up w/a short time factor– or he wanders out on to the South Portico only in his suit coat, shirt, red tie and boxers with no pants, shoes and socks.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. Trump”s decision to abstain from smoking and drinking seems to have paid off. That along with good genes, as Dr. Jackson. noted.

    Dana (023079)

  60. Did any of the reporters ask Rear Admiral Dr. Ronny Jackson why the President’s physician is a proctologist?

    (I’m sorry, Dana, but if I didn’t do it, I’d burst.)

    nk (dbc370)

  61. 46.In real news the Japanes broadcaster ntk also had a warning siren, so this want some mere drill on the islands.

    At least NHK corrected PDQ. But wasn’t that yesterday’s tomorrow– or the day before- no doubt Trump can figure out that int’l date line thingy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. Contemporaneous, I don’t recall when kruschev fired off the semyorka the first time

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. So I read over at Instapundit that the people who refuse to believe that Trump really weighs what his doc said today are forever after to be known as “girthers.”

    Priceless.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  64. That along with good genes, as Dr. Jackson. noted.

    “Good?”

    OTOH those same “genes” were in his older alcohol brother, Freddy, who drank/suicided himself which can be genetic. A genetic history of the Trump family would shed light on any ticking time bombs lurking inside the head, body and soul of our Captain.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. As a founding member of the Girther movement, I demand that Trump release the long form weight certificate.

    Davethulhu (99cc74)

  66. Girthers

    Lol.

    Dana (023079)

  67. @68 LOL Well, he does advocate ‘belt-tightening.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. @63.Did any of the reporters ask Rear Admiral Dr. Ronny Jackson why the President’s physician is a proctologist?

    More probing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. The tactic used in breach didnt work:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/KimZetter/status/953418384103784448

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. 49.Anyone who supports a socialist ideology and believes we can make it work this time is mentally unfit and the definition of insane.

    Sorta like… Norwegians; Trump wants more of them:

    ‘The Norwegian economy is an example of a mixed economy, a prosperous capitalist welfare state and social democracy country featuring a combination of free market activity and large state ownership in certain key sectors. Public health care in Norway is free (after an annual charge of around 2000 kroner for those over 16), and parents have 46 weeks paid parental leave.’ – wikipedia

    Make America Skate Again!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. Norway’s welfare state, and status as a Leftie utopia prototype, would not survive a 1500 mile common border with a corrupt third world country,

    random viking (6a54c2)

  72. Its camelbert level wit, just the most prominent of John Stewart’s twits

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. ASPCA shows he has the instincts of a tabloid muckraker, the soul of a cane toad and a hummingbird’s heart as he postulates about everything and everybody but himself.

    But he’s got his strawberries and TCM. To your health, sir!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. Public health care in Norway is free (after an annual charge of around 2000 kroner for those over 16)

    Hahaha. Wait….you were joking, right?

    Lenny (5ea732)

  75. How much do you think Hillary weighs that she needs two straping agents and her own pack animal legs to dead lift that carcass?

    She has a BMI rating of walrus. If a shark ate her it would live for weeks off the blubber, making the surf safe for others.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  76. Stable genius. His mother had him tested.

    Trump has never needed two spotters to climb into a van.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  77. Should have photoshop of that :

    STABLE GENIUS as a header , then “we had him tested.” as a footnote.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  78. The DNC leashed media are just completely and utterly insane.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  79. Sorta like… Norwegians; Trump wants more of them:

    ‘The Norwegian economy is an example of a mixed economy, a prosperous capitalist welfare state and social democracy country featuring a combination of free market activity and large state ownership in certain key sectors. Public health care in Norway is free (after an annual charge of around 2000 kroner for those over 16), and parents have 46 weeks paid parental leave.’ – wikipedia

    Make America Skate Again!

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/16/2018 @ 8:55 pm

    So you support socialism then?

    You believe you can make it work this time. How many dead do you need to make it work? 25 million? 50 million? 100 million?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    NJRob (b00189)

  80. The doctor didn’t mention any issue with bone spurs, thus confirming that Trump’s medical draft deferment was bogus. Of course, none of the media reported this.

    “He said, ‘I want you to get out there and I want you to talk to them and I want you to answer every single question they have,’ ” Jackson said.

    Did anyone ask about STD’s, the equivalence of female genitalia with minefields, or whether the doctor felt sleeping around NYC on Daddy’s money in the ’80s made Trump “a great and brave soldier”?

    I thought not.

    Another predictable set of softball questions from the slavish, Trump-loving state-run media…

    Dave (445e97)

  81. @82. So you support socialism then?

    Our Captain sure does! Make America Skate Again!!!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. @76. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    Wait for the tide to come in.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. Nearly 72, borderline obese; a fast-food junkie who lives on five hours sleep w/no exercise

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/16/2018 @ 5:35 pm

    Your Tinder profile needs some work.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  84. i can’t remember where but I think i heard that dirty weight watcher lesbian and prospective presidential candidate oprah winfrey has struggled with her weight in the past

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/16/2018 @ 5:36 pm

    She wrestled with her weight in four different classes.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  85. Of the 10 slimmest presidents 3 died in office, while none of the 10 fattest presidents did (assuming BMI = fat, which it doesn’t). Teddy Roosevelt had a BMI of 30 yet was one of the fittest men to hold the office.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 1/16/2018 @ 5:48 pm

    Not counting Garfield but I guess technically he was about 130 lbs at TOD. His doctors should have been working on reporters:

    Most historians and medical experts now believe that Garfield probably would have survived his wound had the doctors attending him been more capable. Unfortunately for Garfield, most American doctors of the day did not believe in anti-sepsis measures or the need for cleanliness to prevent infection. Several inserted their unsterilized fingers into the wound to probe for the bullet, and one doctor punctured Garfield’s liver in doing so. Also, self-appointed chief physician D. Willard Bliss had supplanted Garfield’s usual physician, Jedediah Hyde Baxter. Bliss and the other doctors who attended Garfield had guessed wrong about the path of the bullet in Garfield’s body. They had erroneously probed rightward into Garfield’s back instead of leftward, missing the location of the bullet but creating a new channel which filled with pus. The autopsy not only discovered this error but revealed pneumonia in both lungs and a body that was filled with pus due to uncontrolled septicemia.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  86. Okay, DCSCA regardless if what the doctors say, regardless of anything you’re content to self diagnose off a website because you won’t take “Yes” for an answer…

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 1/16/2018 @ 6:52 pm

    CNN joined The TV Doctors of America.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  87. Clearly something isn’t right…If there’s nothing to be found, then something else is obviously going on.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/16/2018 @ 7:02 pm

    The so called smart guys keep losing.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  88. Trump is only the second president to have instant mass communication at his disposal. Obama didn’t make a fool out of himself on Twitter, but that was mostly due to laziness. Cher said it all for him.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 1/16/2018 @ 7:08 pm

    Half-breed, that’s all I ever heard
    Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
    Half-breed, he’s no good they warned
    Both sides were against me since the day I was born(but mostly white people)

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  89. @51 narciso

    He needs all those illegals because regular citizens are seeking sanctuary in other states.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  90. Hmmmm. Kevin M didn’t say “pretty quick”, DCSCA, ne said “instant”. That’s beside the fact you know precisely what mass communications he was referring to. If Clinton had it he’d be Carlos Danger’s cell mate.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 1/16/2018 @ 8:00 pm

    He could tweet by the fireside every Saturday at 8PM.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  91. Trump”s decision to abstain from smoking and drinking seems to have paid off. That along with good genes, as Dr. Jackson. noted.

    Dana (023079) — 1/16/2018 @ 8:18 pm

    Not hunting in TX or sleeping with a pillow over your face is a tie for third.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  92. OTOH those same “genes” were in his older alcohol brother, Freddy, who drank/suicided himself which can be genetic. A genetic history of the Trump family would shed light on any ticking time bombs lurking inside the head, body and soul of our Captain.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/16/2018 @ 8:32 pm

    Obama’s mom died at 52. His dad died at 46. You could be on to something.

    Pinandpuller (b8ac8a)

  93. Our Captain sure does! Make America Skate Again!!!

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/16/2018 @ 11:42 pm

    So you’re too big a coward to answer honestly. Gotcha.

    How many dead on the way for your socialist cause will be enough for you? 25 million? 50 million? 100 million? Or more?

    NJRob (a2ce40)

  94. Soon the no Trumpers will be out in force wearing skirts campaigning for Bradley Manning.
    Go team cuck.

    mg (8cbc69)

  95. good lord

    we really need to pull our hapless tatters out of south korea and let these pansies fondle each other in peace

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5279309/North-South-Korea-agree-form-joint-Olympic-team.html

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  96. Where Do The Children Play? by Cat Stevens Did You Really Have To Jump Dat Shark

    Well I think it’s fine, to let ‘em know you’re mad
    But back off teh bulging eyes, cuz Corey… Sad
    Switch on teh rage like a new machine
    Yes, you am a senator now, you can get anything
    It’s no walk in teh park
    To walk in Newark after dark
    But tell me, did you really have to jump dat shark?

    Well you yelled at her, acted like an ass
    Yeah your sorry self, pumping out the sass
    But those tears of rage, were really over the top
    And they just went on and on, you came off like a fop
    Oh, it’s no walk in teh park
    To walk in Newark after dark
    But tell me, did you really have to jump dat shark?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. we really need to pull our hapless tatters out of south korea and let these pansies fondle each other in peace

    Do you have any idea how many hundreds of billions of dollars you are threatening to take from the mouths of poor, starving, military contractors (the genuine original ones, not the clowns mg gushes about) with your isolationist attitude?

    nk (dbc370)

  98. His past driver’s license lists him as 6’2″ (driver’s license is self-reporting) ans he’s markedly shorter than 6’3″ Jen Bush in many pictures I have seen (easily 2 inches shorter). Speculation before the checkup was that his vanity would not allow him to be reported as obese and that somehow he would wriggle out of it. Apparently growing an inch or two helped. I don’t trust the doctor just because he’s high in the military. Sorry. I suspect he took Trunp’s self-reporting and did not insist on verifying.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  99. My buddies hear your drivel all the time, nk. They smile and describe a situation where many lives were saved.

    mg (8cbc69)

  100. dropping 10 pounds will be easy peasy for him

    he has a lot of self-discipline plus a great support system

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. This is just too silly for words. Who cares how tall he is or how much he weighs?

    I’m more curious why he went to a rear admiral doctor. Hemorrhoids? Boils? Might explain his crankiness.

    nk (dbc370)

  102. Border-line Stay-Puft Marshmallow man?

    I’d but a ticket to the post mortem. U take it no one here has been examined by a military doctor.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  103. Not hunting in TX or sleeping with a pillow over your face is a tie for third.

    Especially cage hunting with Dick Cheney.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  104. There’s a PhD dissertation (and likely a few job offers) waiting in the offing for an accurate explanation of why otherwise reasonable individuals stubbornly persist in maintaining obviously inaccurate views of President Trump’s accomplishments, his motives, and his personal characteristics.

    I’m talking to Patterico here, and to his loyal doppelgangers: Trump’s track record of success since announcing his candidacy has been specatular – he’s gone from victory to triumph over and over again in the face of a viscous and unrelenting assault from a national media, the Democrat party, and Hollywood elites so openly corrupt that if he was walking on water they’d claim (like the witch dunkers of old) that it was only because his heart was so putrid the pure waters could not tolerant his abominable presence.

    The insanity is somewhat understandable coming from media blowhards, rapacious Dems, and Hollywood psychos: Trump cancelled their meal ticket. But what can explain how previously well balanced and responsible voices continue to insist on refusing to see the mountain of positive evidence right in front of their eyes and ears?

    ropelight (ea20b1)

  105. Has anyone gone through MEPS?

    It’s like being treated by dental students from Haiti. Sh’thole medicine…

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  106. specatular

    I don’t think the good Dr used a speculum but ropelight often misquotes.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  107. “…in the face of a viscous and unrelenting assault from a national media,”

    The beauty is either vicious or viscous work equally well here!

    Colonel Haiku (3f1823)

  108. Keep f*cking dat chicken 🐔 Rear Admiral!!!

    Colonel Haiku (3f1823)

  109. Did the good doctor inform Trump that a moderate drinker lives longer than dry drunks?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  110. Trump during the cognitive testing…

    “That’s a lion and that’s a rhinoceros… from one of those sh!thole countries.”

    Colonel Haiku (3f1823)

  111. Doctor recommended exercise but only one half pushup…bi-weekly.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  112. 104… it’s the lawyer in him, nk.

    Colonel Haiku (3f1823)

  113. Fork lifting is daily regime however.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  114. Cancel my subscription to teh resurrection
    Send Rear Admiral Burned to teh House of Detention

    Colonel Haiku (3f1823)

  115. To be clear though, he is taking a cholesterol lowering medication, he has evidence of heart disease and he is borderline obese,” Gupta asked him. “Can you characterize that as excellent health?”

    Jackson performed Trump’s first physical as president last Friday at the Walter Reed military hospital and insisted that the president is in good health despite some issues.

    “I would say the dose of his cholesterol medicine is very low… If we [change] the diet and exercise, I just don’t think that he has much room to do anything else,” he remarked.

    Real doctor chimes in..

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/sanjay-gupta-calls-out-doctor-over-trumps-excellent-health-he-has-evidence-of-heart-disease-and-he-is-borderline-obese/

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  116. He meant excellent health in a relative sense..

    He’s over 70 and eats like a teenager in a basement.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  117. This really is silly but it sure is fun.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  118. He hasn’t jailed a single reporter one even made acosta an AAvon.This dystopia is decidely weak.

    narciso (d1f714)

  119. Avox, one of president snows more gratuitous acts, as for Fideloflake did he speak out on taksim square.

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. 104… it’s the lawyer in him, nk.

    [Insert Roy Cohn joke here.]

    nk (dbc370)

  121. He hasn’t the cajones to do much of anything except run that Trenchmouth, narco.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  122. Officials investigating the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 US presidential election are scrutinizing newly uncovered financial transactions between the Russian government and people or businesses inside the United States.

    Records exclusively reviewed by BuzzFeed News also show years of Russian financial activity within the US that bankers and federal law enforcement officials deemed suspicious, raising concerns about how the Kremlin’s diplomats operated here long before the 2016 election.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/newly-uncovered-russian-payments-are-a-focus-of-election?utm_term=.bfNKK7X13#.nk2PPwXky

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  123. Does he think himself George Polk, it would be a waste.

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. This is just too silly for words. Who cares how tall he is or how much he weighs?

    Trump.

    More specifically, he does not care about those things, but he cares about how they are reported. And he cares about it being reported that he is obese.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  125. Noting that a dishonest and superficial person is dishonest and superficial is not news, particularly, but neither is it insanity.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  126. George Polk was an American reporter who investigated allegations of corruption in the American allied tsalsaris regime who turned up dead.

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. Or Gary Webb who shot himself in the head…twice.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  128. Russell mead in his proto nutroots screed mortal splendor entertained such thoughts, re any future Woodward and bernstein.

    narciso (d1f714)

  129. I don’t trust the doctor just because he’s high in the military.

    So if he had been reported Trump as 6’2″ and and not 6’3″, you wouldn’t have any doubts about the doctors qualifications ??

    Dana (023079)

  130. It’s funny to see Trump lauded as brilliant because he inherited wealth, filed multiple business bankruptcies, and became President. Lots of people inherit money and file bankruptcies, although usually not both for the same person. It is more rare to become President. Obama and Clinton did it, too, but that’s not great company.

    DRJ (15874d)

  131. No its not about any of that, had they not served as stenigraphers under Obama, maybe we would take the press seriously, if they addressed real issues, bit they are incapable some might say ‘epistemically closed’ to that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. They can’t in good conscience defend the amnesty deal, so they talk about everything but.

    narciso (d1f714)

  133. As for the doctor, is it likely that he weighed and measured Trump or that Trump told the nurse how tall be is and then the nurse weighed him?

    Doctors don’t get too picky about these numbers in real life, even at Walter Reed and the NIH (and, yes, I have been there). The only time this is an issue is when the patient is getting medicine that requires precise dosing by weight. Then they are very, very careful.

    DRJ (15874d)

  134. Cory booker’s rant is something else they won’t address, which even lm smuthee has noted

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. Our host wrote:

    I don’t trust the doctor just because he’s high in the military. Sorry.

    This startled me to read, and I hope it was an impulsive comment rather than a carefully considered one.

    Patterico, how much of the press conference did you watch? If you watched only 10- or 20-second sound bites, I’d respectfully submit that’s a poor basis for making a determination of credibility. If you watched more than that, then: Ignoring the uniform, did he otherwise strike you as a truthful witness? Because he did strike me that way.

    If I’d been a reporter wanting to challenge this, my questions wouldn’t have been like the press pool’s, which were on the order of, “Hey, c’mon, he’s got to weigh more than that, doesn’t he?” I’d have asked, “Did you personally put him on the scale and use its sliding height-measurement bar to take these measurements, or did an aide or nurse?” I don’t think anyone asked that question.

    If Trump were to bully someone into lying about these objective findings, I’d expect him to pick someone other than this doc. But regardless of his individual merits, your comment is an indictment of the entire U.S. military, and I think you probably didn’t make a thoughtful decision to do that.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  136. We think alike Beldar. Or maybe we’ve both been around doctors and/or the military a lot.

    DRJ (15874d)

  137. “Especially cage hunting with Dick Cheney.”

    The Whittington not-so-acupuncture, which should have been a disaster for Cheney, turned out to a positive boon for the man when the rabid press and Dem pols, exhibited to middle America that they had no knowledge on firearms. Claims that Cheney fired ‘buckshot’ from his ‘rifle’ were a hoot.
    Almost as fun as the lib reporter tweeting a photo of ear plugs on the ground at the Ferguson riots errrrrr protests and claiming they were rubber bullets.

    harkin (8256c3)

  138. As if he was elmer fudd, David rollins an Australian novelist was one who tried an unnamed vp who resembled Cheney as some murderous character same with Russell andrews

    narciso (d1f714)

  139. I just read the full transcript and from it, it’s clear that the exam was done at Walter Reed, where there would be no shortage of other people to weigh and measure the POTUS. Dr. Jackson referred to “we” in describing the team (including consulting specialists) who participated in the evaluation, so he wasn’t claiming to have done everything (or checked everything) himself.

    I’ll leave open the chance that Trump bullied someone else into fudging a few pounds and an inch of height. But I do not think Dr. Jackson was lying, and I’m very much put off by your suggestion that because he’s in uniform he’s therefore a willing liar and accomplice.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  140. Beldar,

    Exactly. Which is why I asked our host at 134 if Trump’s height was reported an inch less, would the doctor, and by extension the military then be in the clear? Further, why all of a sudden does one believe Trump and give him the benefit of the doubt (with regard to his self-reporting)?

    I take such a general indictment of the U.S. military personally. I have a son deployed on the other side of the world who depends on high ranking individuals to keep him safe.

    Dana (023079)


  141. 135.It’s funny to see Trump lauded as brilliant because he inherited wealth, filed multiple business bankruptcies, and became President.


    I haven’t heard anybody, anywhere even here, even happyfeet “laude Trump as brilliant” for any reason and specifically none of those you listed. Could you give specifics?

    Trump inheriting millions has little bearing on what he has done with that inheritance. Now of he had inherited 10 billion and turned it into 20 million you would have a point, but turning 20 million into 10 billion is a success story even if you don’t like the guy who did it. Trump has owned and/or controlled scores, perhaps hundreds of companies in his career. Do you really believe some would not have gone bad and been bankrupted? My restaurant career consisted of 17 businesses and two of those went bankrupt, plus another three were only break even enterprises at best. Fortunately my successes were very profitable and also fortunately the losers came earlier in my career or I would have retired a lot differently.

    I understand you don’t like Trump. You remind me quite often. You in order to paint him in the worse light you ignore the ups, downs and put falls of business. Frankly, I don’t personally know any businessman who has not has bankruptcies. Not one. Even my father in law (first wife Jewish guy) who was very successful and a business mentor of mine wrote a few off. I remember sitting in his living room in 1976 watching the repo man tow his Cadillac away. By the following year he was back on top. That’s business.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  142. If they were going to lie about a significant objective finding, it would have been about the cardiac calcium score.

    Beldar (fa637a)


  143. I have a son deployed on the other side of the world who depends on high ranking individuals to keep him safe.


    I understand were your heart is, Dana but as a former warrior who fought in a couple dozen battles myself I never once depended on Gen. Westmoreland to keep me safe. He couldn’t have cared less. I depended on the guys around me and they depended on me.

    That said there is no reason to doubt the doctor’s report and the press is absolutely insane and this is just more proof.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  144. Hoagie, if you think all Trump inherited was $20M, you’ve shed all your skepticism, swallowed hook-line-and-sinker the grossest exaggerations by Trump himself, and ignored every piece of reporting, from any source, about the real estate empire Trump was handed by his daddy. If you think no one argues that Trump must be brilliant because he won the White House, you aren’t reading the comments section here, where that point is made pretty much day in and day out. I remember one of our first conversations about Trump here was on the subject of bankruptcies — we talked about the restaurant business, and I commiserated with you regarding the very high number of natural failures and insolvencies in that industry; but to say you don’t know a businessman who hasn’t gone through bankruptcies is to expose yourself as either an exaggerator or someone who hangs out with very bad businessmen. I regularly represent businesses, including closely held (privately owned, non-public) businesses, and my experience is that almost none of the ones considered even modestly successful have gone through the bankruptcy courts. And I was for a time a partner in the largest and most prominent bankruptcy BigLaw firm in the country.

    I get it that you think Trump critics should cut him some slack. But your arguments aren’t accomplishing that purpose, my friend. Your argument show that you’ll cut him unlimited slack. I hope you’ll return to the skepticism I admire you for, even about Trump.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  145. Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 1/17/2018 @ 9:50 am

    Absolutely right Hoagie. That’s the story of my father all over. Mine as well. You win some, and you lose some.

    felipe (5b25e2)

  146. I read somewhere that gravity compresses the spine and that a person can grow like two inches taller in space and that you’re taller in the morning after lying down all night than you are in the evening after standing up all day and girth is a better gauge of obesity than weight because fat is lighter than muscle and bone and that’s why if you’re a swimmer you want to be on the plump side and also if you’re in the water you’ll probably grow taller because gravity won’t be compressing your spine so that would lower your BMI being a win-win all around unless of course you’ve bought your Speedo too small but maybe Mr. President in a Speedo is a subject as well as an image that we should leave for another day or at least not close to lunchtime.

    nk (dbc370)

  147. Overweight Democratic nominee almost never seen exhibiting physical activity besides walking, talking (and coughing like an emphysema victim) out on her feet, carried to a van and tossed in like a sack of potatoes = most qualified candidate ever.

    Overweight President who golfs a few times a week = about to die.

    harkin (8256c3)

  148. potatoes have too many carbs me and President Trump is avoiding carbs because fitness

    America is getting better every day

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. @ DRJ: The older brother of the guy who was the best man in my wedding was the head of neurosurgery at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center at Ramstein Air Base in West Germany. My friend & I spent a summer using his off-base home, and occasionally his PX privileges, while we were doing the Eurailpass/backpack/youth hostel drill all over western Europe, and I came to be pretty good friends with his brother that summer — including, to all of our surprise, giving him legal advice when he was falsely accused of a violent crime. My own brother spent two years as an Air Force orthodontist in Wiesbaden, and his son’s just returned to Texas to take over his practice after eight (IIRC) years as a Navy orthodontist, much of it abroad. So yeah, I do have some biases in favor of military medical professionals.

    But more to the point, I’ve examined and cross-examined a whole lot of doctors. Doctors testified in every personal injury case I ever handled, and I’ve done hundreds of those. I’ve had occasion to accuse, and prove, doctors of outright lying on the witness stand, and indeed, in had three jury trials in the 1980s involving the most notorious cancer quack in Texas. So I’ve seen doctors who would spin, and I’ve seen doctors who would lie. And Dr. Jackson didn’t strike me as one, although he clearly has a physician’s normal sympathy for his patient. But since Dr. Jackson was also Obama’s WH doc, I doubt this sympathy is rooted in politics either. And I don’t believe — and couldn’t find any evidence of, after some light googling — that Obama ever permitted Dr. Jackson to give a press conference like the one Trump set up yesterday. (My guess is because of Obama’s methodical suppression of reports about his continued smoking, but that’s just a guess.)

    I’m sure our host has also had professional experience with docs, including medical examiners testifying to cause of death in his homicide cases — which is why I asked how much of the press conference he’d actually watched. I also agree with our host that Trump surely ascribes more significance to being reported as being one pound shy of technical “obesity” than any medical professional would.

    But regardless, I emphatically do not subscribe to the view that Dr. Jackson’s statements are untrustworthy because he has a high rank in the military.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  150. Our host, and probably DRJ, may recall this very long war story about my catching a prominent physician in an outright, bald-faced lie under oath.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  151. And probably nk too, since he commented on that war story. Gosh we’ve known each other a long time.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  152. One pound is one pint of water. I gain and lose about 12 to 14 pounds every day. Yes, Mr. President is about as deep as the ring my water glass leaves on the coaster, Patterico is right about that.

    nk (dbc370)

  153. What inference may be fairly drawn from the fact that Trump instructs his physician to respond fully to every question asked about Trump’s health, with no time limit or restriction, yet won’t release any of his tax returns?

    The inference I draw is that he’s a healthy man who’s concerned that close examination of his tax returns will reveal unpleasant facts about him.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  154. Because a physical is consindered an official document tied to the office, Pnot a private record.

    narciso (d1f714)

  155. OT, but timely:

    I hope the Dems overplay their hands over DACA and cause a government shutdown at midnight Friday.

    I hope the next morning, Trump, Ryan, and McConnell hold a press conference on the Capitol Steps (not at the WH), where Trump promises to carefully consider a further short extension of Obama’s existing but illegal executive order regarding DACA if that can’t be resolved by legislation before the current March deadline. “The DACA fix is a phony issue, and now I’ve just removed it as an excuse for their government shutdown,” Trump will say. And then he’ll turn the microphone over to McConnell.

    I hope that McConnell announces that — just as Senate Republicans did when it became apparent that the Dems were going to block any GOP appointee to Scalia’s seat — Senate Republicans have agreed to finish the job that Harry Reid started (and indeed, repeatedly promised would be finished by his successors at their next chance): They’ve nuked the rest of the filibuster rule.

    “No more,” McConnell will say, “will the minority party in the Senate be able to permanently frustrate the will of the voters — the voters who put those senators in the majority so they could enact critical legislation. We’re proceeding from these Capitol steps back to the Senate chambers, where we’ll take up, on an emergency basis, a continuing resolution that will end this government shutdown instantly. We hope responsible Democrat senators will join in it — but we’ll pass it with 51 votes if necessary, as we did when we made way last January for Justice Gorsuch’s confirmation.

    “We do this in sorrow, for we know there will come a day when the Democrat Party has the majority again, and we won’t be able to block their excesses through filibusters. But as this DACA fight has shown, the Democrats are willing to shut down the entire government just to achieve a tiny negotiating advantage on an issue where both sides agree there needs to be immediate remedial legislation. As former Majority Leader Reid promised, we know the Democrats would take this same step themselves, despite whatever they say now, the next time they were in the majority anyway. The filibuster has been a zombie ever since the Democratic Party abolished it for presidential appointees — that marked the end of the historical comity of the Senate, and there’s no doubt which party destroyed that cooperative, historic, and responsible relationship. And from now on, to end this unceasing political deadlock, we’re going to abide by the will of the majority in precisely the fashion contemplated by the Constitution, which has never required unlimited debate in the Senate: Instead, we’ll proceed by majority rule alone.”

    “Moreover,” I hope McConnell will continue, “Speaker Ryan advises me that the House — which has never had a filibuster rule — will immediately reconvene to pass this same CR. We’ll send it to the President within minutes afterwards.”

    Trump takes the microphone again: “I’ve been calling on the wonderful, hard-working Republican members of the Senate to get rid of this filibuster business for months now, and finally — finally! — they’ve listened to me! They’re finally listening to you, America! So no more government shutdowns. No more legislative hostage-taking! I’ll sign the CR ending the shutdown within the next four hours to put an end to this nonsense.

    “And now that we’re no longer going to have our hands tied by the requirement of getting 60 Senate votes on every piece of legislation America so badly needs,” Trump will say, “I’ve asked Speaker Ryan and Leader McConnell to return to the subject of Obamacare early next week. After that, we’ll move on to border security and immigration, military spending and preparedness, reciprocal concealed carry, infrastructure, and other urgent issues that our party was put into power in order to fix.”

    I concede that this is a fantasy. If I could use my mutant powers to mind-control Trump, McConnell, and the GOP senators long enough to make it happen, though, I certainly would.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  156. @ narciso: They didn’t release Trump’s medical records. The law doesn’t require that, or we’d know what Obama’s say about his smoking. What Trump did do, however, was authorize Dr. Jackson to talk about, and answer questions about, things that those records would reflect.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  157. In Jeff Flake’s fevered little mind a drive-by media with fangs out looking to spread every Never-Trump ‘enemy of the people’ meme no matter how dishonest is glorious Freedom Of The Press.
    While a President responding in-kind is Stalinesque.

    harkin (8256c3)

  158. Because a physical is consindered an official document tied to the office, Pnot a private record.

    Actually, the exact opposite is true.

    Dave (2d7f08)

  159. Awesome war story, Beldar. And for the non-lawyers, things like that rarely happen and should never happen, but they do.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  160. @113

    Doesn’t Trump know smokers get more breaks at work.? What a schmuck!

    Pinandpuller (fd4081)

  161. Never hire a Puerto Rican smoker. That’s breaks to the nth power.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  162. Respectfully Mr Beldar, the Trumps seemingly are avoiding the shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations proverb. Perhaps by adding new immigrant blood but perhaps not.

    Pinandpuller (fd4081)

  163. Based on Beldar’s postings earlier this afternoon (and I salute his family for their service) it makes this story I made fun (“a Bachelor/Bachelorette pairing gone awry”) of about a week ago even more tragic. I apologize.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  164. Pin, Trump was technically insolvent when he defaulted on his personal guarantees of Trump Air’s loans. He managed to wrangle out of that, and thereafter, for the most part, he avoided making personal loan guarantees (a conspicuous exception being the $25M personal guarantee he made, and then defaulted upon, during the contruction of the Trump hotel tower in Chicago). My former partners in NYC who’d known Trump’s dad (but refused opportunities to represent him) credited this to Trump hiring Marc Kasowitz’ firm, especially bankruptcy and corporate restructurings lawyer David Friedman, now Trump’s Ambassador to Israel. And their advice kept Trump from ever again coming as close to personal bankruptcy as he was then, so yeah, there’s that in his favor.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  165. Yikes! That is a sad report! For some reason, or more likely a combination of them, dentists have a very high suicide and divorce rates. Thanks, though, for your kind words about my family members who’ve served. We’re awfully proud of them.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  166. Here’s my contribution, as a physicist, to the “Girther movement”.

    Unless they evacuated all the air from the room where Trump was weighed (which, come to think of it, would have been a wonderful idea…), the measurement of his mass was distorted by the buoyancy of his body in air and his true mass is larger than what the scale recorded.

    Just as an object immersed in water experiences an upward buoyant force equal to the weight of the water displaced (Archimedes’ Principle), the same effect occurs to objects in air. This is why, for example, Helium balloons and other “lighter than air” objects float. But even objects which are not “lighter than air” experience an upward buoyant force in air, which partially counter-acts the downward force of gravity and makes the weight measured on any standard scale LESS THAN the true weight.

    How much less? Well, to within 5% or so, the density of a human body is the same as the density of water. So the volume of Trump’s body is very nearly the volume of a quantity of water with the same mass.

    Trump reportedly weighed 239 pounds, which is over 108 kg. 108 kg of water occupies a volume of 108 liters, and 108 liters of air weighs about 1/3 of a pound. The measured and reported value of Trump’s weight is therefore BELOW the true value by that amount.

    This recalls the well-known (among physicists anyway) brain-teaser:

    “Which weighs more: a kilogram of feathers, or a kilogram of lead?”

    The answer is that a kg of lead weighs more, because it displaces a smaller volume of air and consequently experiences a smaller upward buoyant force when weighed.

    Dave (2d7f08)

  167. I think people misunderstand what I wrote this morning: “I don’t trust the doctor just because he is high in the military.” I take responsibility. It was ambiguous.

    When I saw some shocked reactions to this, I was puzzled that people seemed to think I was indicting the whole military. What??? I thought. I was doing no such thing. How was I being misunderstood so badly?

    I finally realized that my comment was being translated as this:

    “I don’t trust the doctor. He is high in the military, and I don’t trust people who are high in the military. Therefore I don’t trust him.”

    But that’s not what I meant. I meant this:

    “Some might think that whatever he says must be right just because he is high in the military. I don’t have the same view. So just because the doctor is high in the military, that doesn’t mean I automatically trust him.”

    See the difference?

    I think Trump calculated a height-weight ratio that would him not obese, and told the doctor what his height and weight were, and the doctor didn’t press the issue.

    Why do I believe Trump’s self-reporting? I don’t, necessarily. He might self-report as taller than he really is. Not as shorter. I bet he’s 6’1 and probably 250-270.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  168. Beldar,

    While Dr. Jackson, named as presidential physician by President Obama, appears solid and not similar to doctors who have lied under oath, there is no reason on earth for him to lie about something as inconsequential as one inch. Now, lying about the cognition test or anything serious, and with a possible dire outcome, would make more sense.

    No matter the rank or job of those in our military, as with any other field sweeping with a negative broad, general brush is rarely accurate, and often inappropriate . And in this particular case, given the number of readers who serve/served or have loved ones that do, it’s difficult to not feel a sting at the slight.

    Dana (023079)

  169. I don’t think he lied or would lie.

    There is no slight.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  170. I agree Trump’s height and maybe his weight were self-reported. I don’t think that makes his doctor a liar or someone who misrepresented the facts. Generally, doctors rely on the patient’s chart. They don’t really care what the height and weight are as long as they are reasonable close to reality, unless they need to dispense dangerous weight-sensitive medications when they will ask for a careful weighing. We patient’s may care whether we are labeled as obese, and Trump probably cares a lot, but doctors typically don’t except to mention as something to work on.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  171. The Washington Free Beacon’a managing editor, David Rutz, sarcastically impersonated a White House correspondent on Twitter, joking, “But the president will eventually die, correct?”

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/01/16/white-house-doctor-peppered-with-questions-as-reporters-hunt-for-evidence-trump-illness.html

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  172. I should have put the word “automatically” before trust in my original quote and it would have been clearer.

    Emotionally it will be difficult for people to get un-angry. That’s what often happens with misunderstandings, I have found. The emotional feeling lasts past the time when the rational mind sees where everything went wrong.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  173. Are you a Dr. Dry?

    Is Trump, due to Office, exempted from Dr./Patient confidentiality?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  174. I agree Trump’s height and maybe his weight were self-reported. I don’t think that makes his doctor a liar or someone who misrepresented the facts

    I agree.

    Please read my 12:09.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  175. I seriously doubt the doctor stood there and measured Trump’s height or weighed him. The numbers were likely recorded in Trump’s chart by a nurse when Trump self-teported them (or maybe weighed him), and the doctor relied on them. I think this is what Patterics is saying.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  176. Dr, Drj..?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  177. Well, we seem to be cross-posting the same thing.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  178. My initials, Ben. Not a doctor.

    DRJ (d18ca6)

  179. But I do not think Dr. Jackson was lying, and I’m very much put off by your suggestion that because he’s in uniform he’s therefore a willing liar and accomplice.

    Hopefully by now you understand that I intended to suggest no such thing. But I now see why my poor wording led people to read it that way.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  180. Many unexplored POTUS conundrums not withstanding Pardon power. He must get double- secret patient confidentiality.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  181. I thought Drj, you might be a malpractice lawyer as you seem to have inside knowledge, but the question should go to a HPPA lawyer

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  182. I seriously doubt the doctor stood there and measured Trump’s height or weighed him. The numbers were likely recorded in Trump’s chart by a nurse when Trump self-teported them (or maybe weighed him), and the doctor relied on them. I think this is what Patterics is saying

    Yup. That’s my best guess.

    I think it’s hilarious that anomalous (when compared with previous statements by Trunp and photographs) results have him non-obese by a pound, mostly because that’s about what I figured would be reported.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  183. @166 urbanleftbehind

    I’d always heard about the movie Crash. I’d say I watched it last night but I FF thru much of it. The only true LOL moment was Don Cheadle to Sly ex Esposito about mistaking her PR Central American roots: “Who got these people together from such disparate places and taught them to park on the lawn?”

    Pinandpuller (daccdc)

  184. This is a silly debate. Whatever his weight was when they weighed him it’s a safe bet he put on a pound or two celebrating with a couple of Big Macs, large fries and a big diet Coke on the way back to the WH.

    crazy (d99a88)

  185. Emotionally it will be difficult for people to get un-angry.

    Not at all. Glad for the clarification, and yes, an “automatically” would have made things less ambiguous.

    Dana (0497a3)

  186. That whole cast should be locked in the white panel van +diesel+road flares.

    Pinandpuller (daccdc)

  187. @172. Hence, second opinions.

    If you listen to Doktor Ronny’s presser, there were a lot of ‘don’t knows’ and ‘didn’t test for thats’ and references to data from a few years ago along with ‘we were pressed for time’ — the whole exam was done, by his word, in about four hours. So they essentially did a ‘snack-pak’ exam when what Trump really needs is a week with a full battery of tests at the Mayo Clinic.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  188. Not at all. Glad for the clarification, and yes, an “automatically” would have made things less ambiguous.

    Just understand that in my head I was saying precisely what I would have been saying more clearly with the “automatically.”

    I actually had to think hard to understand how people were reading it as a slur on the military. Now it’s easy for me to see but at first I could not understand at all.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  189. a lot of it could be water weight sometimes especially in winter President Trump doesn’t drink enough water so his body retains more than it should

    nothing to get excited about

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  190. I should add “don’t trust” does not mean “think is lying” but rather “do not necessarily accept as gospel.” At least that is what I meant by “don’t trust” here.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  191. Trust, but verify..

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  192. @194. Water??? More likely Diet Coke, Mr. Feet!

    “Now it’s Pepsi — for those who think young.” – Pepsi-Cola ad slogan, 1961

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  193. Then would any doctor, not just a high ranking military physician named by Obama, that came out with that number not necessarily be trusted as well?

    Dana (023079)

  194. I appreciate our host’s clarification.

    DRJ, maybe some of our physician friends can weigh in here, but as I understand the process of taking even a very basic history and physical, physicians and medical professionals are taught to trust but verify when possible. On some important issues — e.g., smoking and drinking reports — the professional has no choice but to accept the patient’s word, and does so. But when she was going through her physician’s training, I recall my ex being taught to make assumptions based on multiplying every patient’s self-reporting on drinking by two. While the professional might ask the patient to self-report on objective information that can be confirmed based on physical examination or tests, though, that’s mostly for purposes of calculating the patient’s reliability and perception. They’re supposed to weigh and measure anyway.

    Could Trump have insisted — over a nurse’s objections — that he be allowed to wear his shoes when his height was measured? And is it possible that resulted in an inaccuracy in what Dr. Jackson reported? I suppose. Could Trump — like many wrestlers trying to “make weight” before a tournament — have dosed himself with a diuretic that would result in a dramatic (but temporary) reduction in his water weight? Sure, I take one such twice a day myself as part of a BP control regimen.

    Did he actually do that? Meh, I wouldn’t put it past him, but I don’t really care, no more than I care about the size of his hands.

    I do wish he and McConnell and the Senate Republicans could get on the same page about the filibuster, though.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  195. the new diet cokes look super fun

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  196. Another war story:

    I tried a jury trial once in which the key issue was whether the insured on a $1M life insurance policy was colluding with the tiny quasi-fraudulent insurance company which had issued it, and then had immediately reinsured 100% of the risk. I represented the reinsurer. The guy died six months later from a heart attack, and the primary insurer demanded that my client pay off its policyholder. On my advice, my client refused, and so the primary insurer sued for breach of the reinsurance agreement, hence our fraud+collusion defense.

    Medical records from his other physicians showed that his BP was way into the extreme hypertension range and that he’d been prescribed BP meds. But the records of the nurse who’d taken his BP for his insurance exam when the policy was written showed him with a normal BP, and stated that he denied any history of hypertension or medication.

    The nurse had moved to another small town, somewhere in Central Texas, and had been prevented by a rare winter storm (like the one we’re having this week) from attending trial to testify on my client’s behalf. We had to get special permission from the court to have her sworn in over the telephone, long distance, for a video (mostly audio) deposition during the lunch hour, then played the tape to the jury immediately after.

    I began her direct examination by asking about the circumstances and the storm: Were you planning to be here today? Do you understand that the oath the clerk administered to you over the phone was just the same as if you were sitting here in the courtroom? But you’re not here in the courtroom because of the storm, correct? Can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury where you are instead?

    “Well, I’m sittin’ right here — in mah kitchen!” she said with a Texas twang that would be familiar to you and me, and that made the entire jury burst into laughter. They instantly liked and believed this woman.

    She testified that in her original records, she’d reported the high BP and history admitted by the insured. The jury inferred from her testimony, correctly and certainly pursuant to my suggestion, that the nurse’s boss — the president and owner of the rinky-dink primary insurance — had forged the records he’d sent on to my client’s underwriting team when they agreed to reinsure the policy.

    Fun case!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  197. Then would any doctor, not just a high ranking military physician named by Obama, that came out with that number not necessarily be trusted as well?

    I would tend to trust a high ranking military official more than I would trust a random doctor who was not.

    And if they had asked him directly if he did the measurements himself and he said he did, I would be inclined to believe him.

    But without such question and answers, I tend to think there was either self-reporting or pressuring/suggesting to a nurse (“why don’t we call it 6’3″?”).

    Patterico (45c35f)

  198. But I do think even high-ranking military officials could be prone to pressure, especially on something they do not think is important but which they sense could imperil their job if they handle wrong. More likely self-reporting or nurse-pressuring but pressuring the doc is not automatically out of the question in my mind.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  199. Find me a picture of Trump and Jeb Bush together where Trump looks equally tall.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  200. Seriously: put “Trump Jeb Bush” into Google and look at images.

    The 6’3″ Bush is 1-2 inches taller, easy.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  201. I did initially think the doctor was lying, by the way, but then I thought more about how it actually went down and decided that was unlikely.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  202. Great story, Beldar.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  203. By the time I left the comment this morning I had already thought about it and decided the doctor just accepted Trump’s self-reporting. In fact that is what I said in my first comment on this thread.

    Patterico (45c35f)

  204. Glad to facilitate even without attribution..

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  205. I confess that one of the things I found appealing in Dr. Ronny Jackson was his own Texas twang. He’s from Levelland, Texas, one of those other perfectly named west Texas small towns. Levelland is 67 miles NNW of my hometown of Lamesa, and to get there, you pass through Brownfield. Keep going and you’ll get to Muleshoe. I’ll forgive him for being an Aggie based on his having done his medical school at UTMB in Galveston.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  206. Trump and Bush

    So Patterico isn’t keen on government healthcare. Who is?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  207. The “right here in mah kitchen” could have been more accurately rendered, phonetically, as “right-cheer in mah kitchen,” if that helps you imagine the accent more accurately.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  208. I’m sorry..Brownfield and Muleshoe?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  209. Nerd protocol observation: If Dole’s medal had been awarded at the White House, it would have been the President’s Own, the U.S. Marine Corps Band, doing the music. But since it was at the Capitol, it was the Army Band — appropriate given Dole’s own Army service. They’re both very, very good bands.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  210. Dr. Jackson himself signed off on the official report, saying: “I performed and supervised the examination with appropriate specialty consultations… ”

    While doctors may accept self-reporting weight and height of a patient, I’m less inclined to believe the president’s physician would for his fist examination while holding office. Perhaps next time round, but not for the initial.

    Dana (023079)

  211. Mike Tyson was measured and weighed several times by varius actual doctors in front of witnesses.

    So when I tell you Mike Tyson is 5’10” tall, aand you can take that to the friggin bank.
    Tyson’s eyes line up with Trump’s chin.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  212. M.D. in Philly, thinking of you today, wherever you are.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  213. My guess on Trump’s height is that at some point when he was younger, he probably was every bit of 6’3″ or maybe even taller.

    But gravity takes its toll on the spine, and someone in his 70s has likely lost 1-2 inches, if not more, because the spaces between the vertebrae narrow as you age.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  214. My guess is this trolling over his dimensional girth is more distraction from the emerging cataclysm. Better gird Thy loins..

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  215. Is a 40 seat turn plausible?

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  216. i love how tall President Trump is

    i think it’s very inspiring the president of America is so majestically tall

    not that it’s a requirement but it’s a bonus for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  217. BMI is garbage. Referring to anyone based on that chart is as foolish as referencing the old food pyramid.

    Just use body fat percentage and be done with it. It’s a moral rational standard anyway.

    NJRob (05d35d)

  218. Harkin:

    You probably don’t care what I think of Flake’s flaccid little pecker-wagging so I won’t say.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  219. he’s such a nasty pervert and did you see cowardpig war hero john mccain did some kinda oped or something riffing on pervboy’s theme

    these people are disgusting

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  220. BMI is garbage.

    It’s based on epidemiological models…you know, science.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  221. The president has proposed a 13 percent cut in the National Park Service’s budget, along with a 1,200 reduction in employees. Interior Sec Zinke has further raised eyebrows by claiming that roughly one-third of his vast workforce is not loyal to him or President Trump, and that while park staff is good at cleaning restrooms, it’s not good at managing campgrounds.

    As if to prove Secretary Zinke right,

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/nearly-all
    Nearly of the members of a federally chartered National Park Service advisory board have quit.

    Preliminary snit reached in the NPS. Still waiting on peak snit and the sacking of actual salaried employees of.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  222. Flake and other retirees remind me of that character who disguised himself with child to get first lifeboat in Titanic

    Horrible deplorables..

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  223. This is inevitably occurs when one is in any way associated with Trump.

    I call it The Credibility Crabs

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-sarah-sanders-and-dr-ronny-jackson-01162018/

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  224. In a feminist society there would be no biological imperative for the character to disguise himself to get first lifeboat on the Titanic.

    First come, first serve. And check your sexism you damn dirty democrat.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  225. PT: charter member Credibility Crab Club

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  226. The White Star Line purser waving the empty gun perfectly embodies the democrat ethos.

    “We only have room for girls on my boat,” exuded Purser Weinstein.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  227. You numb-nutz just don’t get it.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  228. it’s like the difference between climate and weather

    who the hell knows anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  229. Kinda cheesed at Kate Winslett’s sinking ship reversion to conservatism. B**ch was wearing a hoop skirt. and a floatation device.

    If she actually gave a crap about Jack,

    papertiger (c8116c)

  230. Beldar,

    I only have my experience as a patient or a relative of patients, but we’ve had a lot of illness in our family so I have years of experience.

    As a rule, pediatricians and endocrinologists are very careful about getting exact heights and weights, but other doctors are more likely to accept self-reporting with height and what I call approximate weighing. For instance, I’ve seen people weighed wearing boots, hats, and carrying purses or packages, or leaning on someone for support. None of the weights were accurate but they were probably within 20 pounds or so. My impression is that, unless doctors plan to prescribe medicine that requires accurate dosing by weight — in which case they look the patient in the eyes and ask what they weigh, doctors typically rely on weight patterns over time.

    Furthermore, I think some doctors ask patients to self-report because it gives them a good way to reliably judge whether they will be truthful in their answers. As you said, we patients may not truthfully report our habits, especially bad ones, but it says something if we claim we are much taller or weigh much less than we really do.

    DRJ (15874d)

  231. Papertiger: the combination of the proposed 13% cut AND the proposed increase in fees for many parks from $25/car to $70/car is … a pretty strong signal that the administration does not value the parks being available to the public. I expect to see a push for privatization, especially if Trump is re-elected.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  232. there’s *way* too many people at some of these parks

    zion

    yosemite

    yellowstone

    smokies

    it’s time for a lil supply and demand

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  233. there’s *way* too many people at some of these parks

    It’s almost like not everyone owns their own golf course or something.

    Plebeian scum.

    Dave (445e97)

  234. they have a rule in Yosemite, you can only stay seven days in one campsite, 14 days total in one campground, and 30 days total per year across the entire National Park System.

    After that no matter how much money, or lucky getting the reservation early, you got to move.

    Proof positive that it’s “public” .

    BTW if you want to see the Giant Sequoia at Yosemite too bad. Mariposa Grove is closed for the third year running while NPS employees remove public amenities.

    https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/mariposagrove.htm

    Bet they’re spending a huge chunk of our money erasing the public’s footprint from the public’s park.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  235. It’s based on epidemiological models…you know, science.

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021) — 1/17/2018 @ 2:45 pm

    You’re a moron and are using outdated “science.”

    But that’s expected from a flat earth type that believes they can make socialism work this time.

    How many dead will it take to work? 25 million? 50 million? 100 million? More?

    NJRob (05d35d)

  236. Yes the queletet model, says nothing about epidemiology. But in this divining that the cdc indulges

    narciso (d1f714)

  237. Reminder: the Park Service is responsible not only for places like the Grand Canyon but also historical sites such as Gettysburg, Concord, etc.

    Kishnevi (86d06e)

  238. 246…You point that out, Kishnevi and it is interesting how the Service runs some places so well and others so poorly. It’s something I’ve observed in business regarding franchises. Some are run exceedingly well and by company standards and yet others, working from the same book, same set of rules and frequently the same pool of employees are run like crap. There is probably something in the school of economics which explains this phenomenon (da,da,da,da, phenomenon) but I don’t recall it.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  239. Just for old time’s sake and a reminder of teh bullet dodged… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLg5YRqewa4

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  240. LOL… i’d Point that out to Rear Admiral, but if he’s not off licking his wounds, he’s licking his balls, teh dog 🐕

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  241. At least he hasn’t gone total leftist and become transgendered. Then he’d be lickin’ somebody else’s.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  242. LOL

    felipe (023cc9)

  243. Flake/Booker2020

    mg (8cbc69)

  244. FlakeyBoogers 2020

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  245. Bannon let No Trumpers Mitch and Paul have it today.

    mg (8cbc69)

  246. I can’t remember a single time when I’ve seen a doctor weigh/measure a patient. It’s always been a nurse or other staff.

    DRJ (15874d)

  247. who’s a huge fat-ass is loretta lynch

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  248. Do they still do the Archimedes test for obesity? Where they immerse the person in water and then compare the displacement to his weight? Still the best after 2,200 years. Archimedes was a Greek-descended Sicilian, you know. Made regular bathing fashionable among philosophers, too. For centuries, you’d hear: “Are you really a philosopher? Where’s your loofah?”

    nk (dbc370)

  249. yes yes they do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  250. Loofah is no longer in the Senate, that much we know.

    urbanleftbehind (6eb13a)

  251. speeking of greekers i wonder if failmerica’s homolympic athlete trash plan on taking lots of knees in korea

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  252. Happy, somewhat related to your #259, if you’ve taken CTA buses on both te North Side and the South Side, you will notice you can just turn 90 degrees in your seat and not have to stand a bit to let a person take a window seat on a north side route. Even your traditionally overweight minorities are skinny on the North Side due to higher rent and other costs leaving less $ for food, need to compete with bros and trixies, and more of a drug user population.

    urbanleftbehind (6eb13a)

  253. I think it was the Department of Philosophy at Berkeley that put an end to the practice. Not the test for obesity — bathing regularly. But it might have been UCLA.

    nk (dbc370)

  254. My newsstand at Logan Square was part of a chain. I made my money from newspapers, magazines, gum and cigarettes. The one under the Daley Center from the popcorn and soda-pop machines which mine did not have.

    nk (dbc370)

  255. i believe it Mr. leftbehind

    this is the most regressive city i ever lived in my whole life

    btw i heard the billy goat downtown is closed for a few weeks

    that’s kinda my go to breakfast sammy place (affordable and not that nasty dunkin slop)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  256. UCLA is too glam for that, but they do have their share of homeless hep carriers.

    urbanleftbehind (6eb13a)

  257. The one by Trib tower or the one by VanBure/Wells? I was a fan for a little bit, but didn’t like the Kaiser roll having 2x the diameter of the burger.

    urbanleftbehind (6eb13a)

  258. btw i heard the billy goat downtown is closed for a few weeks

    I knew the Liquor Commissioner did that — “$______ fine or n-days/weeks suspension of your license” — but I didn’t know the Health Department did too. Or does Billy Goat also serve liquor?

    nk (dbc370)

  259. yes yes that one does for sure (under michigan one)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  260. They serve Beer that I know of.

    urbanleftbehind (6eb13a)

  261. ok yeah Trib tower one

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  262. yes yes beer but they have a full bar too

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  263. they don’t have a cocktail program or anything but they do a good job on the basics

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  264. Mike Royko made them popular. The owner copied the SNL “Cheezborger, cheezborger, no fries, chips …” and then claimed that John Belushi copied it from him but I doubt it. Greeks lie, and those kind of Greeks more than most. I think if Belushi was parodying any real place, it would have been Johnny’s Grill at Logan Boulevard and Kedzie, which is the neighborhood he grew up in.

    nk (dbc370)

  265. added a bookmark for that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  266. Heh.
    Floppy, hoagie and kernel popcorn doin that Stooges Three routine.

    Get a room with a heart-shaped bed!

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  267. Nutjob: it’s absurd for an imbecile to call anyone a moron..

    https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/43/3/665/2949550

    Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (e96021)

  268. 43. Kevin M (752a26) — 1/16/2018 @ 7:08 pm

    Trump is only the second presid+ent to have instant mass communication at his disposal.

    Presidents Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon (Eisenhower too maybe but he didn’t really do this) used to be able to get the 3 major networks to pre-empt programming for speeches they wanted to give, and also press conferences.

    This is actually more access to more of the American public than Trump has on Twitter, but whatever was said was more thought out.

    Obama, that’s right, could have used Twitter, but he didn’t.

    There were blogs and otehr forms of Internet communication. President Bill Clinton put all of his speeches and press conferences etc online in 1993 (they disappear when a president goes out of office) and Bush Obama and Trump have continued it. Trump doesn’t put his Twitter comments on whitehouse.gov, though.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)


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