The Coming Immigration and Spending Battle
[guest post by JVW]
The Trump Administration has apparently signaled to Congress what horse trading it is willing to undertake in order to renew the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) act, controversially implemented via executive order by President Obama in 2012. All of this takes place in the context of the need to pass another stopgap measure to fund the government once the current extension expires on January 19. For their part, Congressional Republicans are insisting that the government funding measure needs to be authorized wholly apart from immigration reform, but the Democrats, gambling that a government shutdown will hurt the GOP more than it will hurt their own party and emboldened by their upset Senate win in Alabama last month, appear to have the stronger hand in demanding that immigration and the budget be linked. As is his wont, the President laid out his plans via Twitter:
The Democrats have been told, and fully understand, that there can be no DACA without the desperately needed WALL at the Southern Border and an END to the horrible Chain Migration & ridiculous Lottery System of Immigration etc. We must protect our Country at all cost!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 29, 2017
According to Bloomberg, last fall the White House gave Congress a seven-page outline of what they felt would constitute effective immigration reform, so left unsaid is how much of those seven pages are encompassed by the President’s 268-character Tweet.
I’ve acknowledged before that I’m something of a squish on immigration, so I’m not really going to be spending any effort debating the notion that we should just send every single illegal immigrant home. President Trump himself has expressed sympathy for the DACA immigrants who were brought here as young children, so despite his reputation and his past rhetoric, he doesn’t appear to be all that interested in deporting the DACA crew (I loathe the mawkish and manipulative practice of referring to them as “DREAMers” after the acronym for the legislation seeking to legalize them), and upon announcing the new policy the administration generously gave the DACA recipients 30 days in which to apply to extend any work permits scheduled to expire before March 5.
But I fear that the President’s insistence upon a physical border wall — which strikes me as an expensive symbolic object designed to give the appearance of border security rather than necessarily securing anything — seems to me to be a huge waste of time. His demand for visa lottery reform and the end to chain-migration by family and by nationality would be far more effective in balancing our nation’s workforce needs with our traditional acceptance of hard-working and industrious newcomers, and would make immigration more palatable to many of us who are concerned that our policies have traditionally benefitted poor countries desperate to rid themselves of their unemployable citizens at the expense of our social fabric and national cohesion. It would also go a long way towards establishing the idea that U.S. immigration policy does not exist to solve other nations’ domestic instability and dysfunction. Beyond that, I would like immigration reform to require businesses who find it necessary to import workers from outside the country to pay a larger share of the cost of identifying and processing these new arrivals, as well as guaranteeing that they remain employed and law-abiding during their stay.
My guess is that a deal of some sort will emerge with Trump getting his expensive wall (hey, the Democrats love public works where union labor can be hired at the taxpayer expense), but the GOP will end up settling for something less than the full visa lottery reform. Perhaps Dems might agree that aunts and uncles and cousins no longer get priority consideration, but I’m betting we will continue to see each separate immigration lobby maintain its own quota on visas, and that of course will require us to bring in unskilled workers who aren’t necessarily needed in order to honor the proscribed ratios. And (here I am going to indulge in my persistent pessimism) this will all be packaged with a budget extension that not only maintains current untenable spending levels but adds in an expensive border wall that is not offset by budget reductions elsewhere. I hope to be wrong, and please convince me that I am, but I see the swamp winning this one decisively.
– JVW
I like, by the way, how Trump’s setting forth his priorities for a DACA deal is “hardening his immigration stance” according to Bloomberg. Did anyone else see anything in that article that Trump hadn’t said plenty of times before?
JVW (8c9513) — 1/4/2018 @ 3:54 pmHe has to hold the line on the wall; it’s way too important to his base, and not holding the line on it is one of the things they would never forgive him for.
aphrael (3f0569) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:00 pmBecause law enforcement can be hamstrung, loopholes can be found in chain migration. The wall is aphysucal symbol.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:10 pmOh so now the Wall cost is the fault of Teamsters?
GFY
Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (b3d5ab) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:28 pmNow re chain migration, even with the Cuban adjustment act, it took 12 years for my father to come to this country, through a 3rd country, that’s what happens if you abide by the rules
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:33 pmA digital wall would work way better than a physical wall. It would cost less, and the DACA crowd would be sent home along with their parents.
Don’t need the Democrats for the digital wall. So why isn’t it in place already?
http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/14/president-trump-doesnt-need-border-wall-can-build-better-paper-ones/#disqus_thread
El Gipper (f1f816) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:34 pmBut let’s be clear on what “the line” was: Trump promised – literally hundreds of times – that Mexico was going to pay for every last centavo of the cost of the wall.
President Trump never lies, and always keeps his promises, so have faith in our great leader! Trump is the greatest negotiator who ever lived, remember? I’ll bet he makes the Mexicans pay for two or three walls by the time he’s finished!
We must not undercut his bargaining position by letting Mexico off the hook for the full cost of the wall.
Dave (445e97) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:36 pm
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:37 pmHahahaha. You guys are like high strung cats and Trump is the guy jiggling the laser pointer at the floor in front of you. You can’t help yourselves. He’s got you brain-screwing yourselves. Hahahaha.
Hahahaha
Why is this man laughing?
Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (b3d5ab) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:39 pmI’d ask hoagie if I thought he knew.
Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (b3d5ab) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:40 pmAnd the border adjustment tax, was the means.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:43 pmHow can you not like a guy who talks about walls but leaves his shirts on the floor.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:43 pmI like Trump because he abuses his body with fast food while worshipping himself in that very Temple of his bodice.
Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (b3d5ab) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:47 pmPsychiatrist briefs Congress on Trump’s crumbling mental health
Dave (445e97) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:55 pm@13. I like Trump because he abuses his body with fast food while worshipping himself in that very Temple of his bodice.
Abuse, Ben?!
Cheeseburgers in bed at 6:30 PM with your smartphone a remote, three TVs while the ball & chain is stashed in another room!
“It’s good to be the king.” – King Louis XVI [Mel Brooks] ‘History Of The World, Part 1’ – 1981
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:58 pm@14. Did they serve strawberries and ice cream during the presentation?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:00 pmHa, ha, ha! They really don’t know whether to sh!t or go blind.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:04 pmAnd he’s semi-literate, too!
In other news, Leigh Corfman just filed a defamation lawsuit against Roy Moore.
Dave (445e97) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:11 pmDave: ahhh, that’s interesting. Is her coming forward to accuse him enough to make her a public figure, or is she still a private person for purpose of defamation law?
aphrael (3f0569) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:15 pmShirley she can’t be serious, you accuse someone of rope and you’re the victim.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:21 pmShe is a limited public figure for this particular purpose, but I don’t see how that would apply. Moore would know whether he was telling the truth or not.
However, there are non-Constitutional privileges, including that of self-defense. I haven’t looked at a treatise in decades, but I think the limit is “over-publication”. For a mere denial, the privilege would protect him. If he were to go on full-out “drag a $100 bill through a trailer park” bimbo-shaming campaign, it might not.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:24 pmIt’s really pretty thin gruel but … that’s what they said about palimony too when Belli brought the first case. Is this suit in California?
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:27 pmThe lawsuit is the thin gruel, not the privilege.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:28 pm@18. If only the Constitution had been quilled with pictures… even a few doodles…
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:29 pmLeigh Corfman just filed a defamation lawsuit against Roy Moore.
So Sassy!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:32 pmAbout the Constitutional privilege. Besides actual malice, there must also be actual damages. No nominal damages, no exemplary damages. So for that part of the tort, it does apply.
Thin gruel.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 5:53 pmIts too bad dueling went out of favor.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:12 pm
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:23 pmNo it hasn’t. The participants just use lawyers instead of pistols.
“ If only the Constitution had been quilled with pictures… even a few doodles…”
It does kind of if you consider a flamboyant signature a doodle and if like Rolling Stone & Julia Louise-Dreyfus you don’t know the difference between the Constitution and that other document.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1750803.1397061069!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/hancock10n-1-web.jpg
harkin (8256c3) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:35 pmBack on topic. The Wall would more than a symbol. It would be something that another Obama could not bring down with the stroke of a pen.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:37 pmChain migration is terrible as it imports dependents and not workers. When you keep the willing 20yo out but bring in someone’s grandparent you fail to resolve the pressure at the border. Better to have taxable workers than elderly medical consumers.
Kevin M (752a26) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:38 pmIt would also give the Mexicans, hopefully still on the other side of it, something to lounge back against for their siesta.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:40 pmOne could also argue that a Daca with strict eligible rewards Beta maleness.
Nk…you know damn well Chicago would be Detroit, St.Louis or Baltimore if..
urbanleftbehind (1d75fb) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:45 pmTwelve members of Congress does not equal “Congress,” Dave. And you know that, and you labeled your own link.
Leviticus (b94909) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:48 pmThe John Hancock draws the eye, but you stay for the butt dimples.
papertiger (c8116c) — 1/4/2018 @ 6:55 pmThe main thing the border wall would be used for is graffiti, just as the Berlin one was. Only on the one side, of course. Trump would be livid inside of a week.
Kevin M (752a26) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:07 pm“Ron Fournier
@ron_fournier
Most journalists get into the business to make things better, to force change, to move the needle. That can’t happen in DC right now. “
—-
Jonah Goldberg
@JonahNRO
I love @ron_fournier but this basically proves the conservative case for why MSM is biased.
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Matt Snavely
@mattsnavely
Replying to @ron_fournier
I have a world of respect for you, Ron, and love your writing. But it is not your job as a journalist to shape my opinions. Just give me both sides and I’ll decide.
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Lori
@Hialeahgirl65
Replying to @ron_fournier
To force change or to report the truth regardless of the outcome? Interesting.
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gun4hyr
harkin (8256c3) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:07 pm@gun4hyr
Replying to @ron_fournier
You misspelled “ACTIVIST”.
“The main thing the border wall would be used for is graffiti, just as the Berlin one was. “
The main difference being that the Berlin Wall was to keep people from escaping (see: Prison).
harkin (8256c3) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:10 pmRight, plus is that why Mexico has one in their border with Guatemala, the kingdom with Iraq.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:12 pmTwelve members of Congress does not equal “Congress,” Dave. And you know that, and you labeled your own link.
Probably the same 12 who went to Baghdad to side with Saddam. I note the article does not name them, so it must not help the narrative.
Kevin M (752a26) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:12 pmThe main difference being that the Berlin Wall was to keep people from escaping
I didn’t say otherwise. But, unlike the Berlin one, we aren’t going to have guard towers and death strips, so it will be far less effective. Except as a graffiti venue.
Kevin M (752a26) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:15 pmWhat else did they assure us of:
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:20 pmhttps://libertyunyielding.com/2017/12/31/hillary-clintons-personal-doctor-lied-sick-2016/
What’s wrong with guard towers? I want guard towers. Heck I was a two lane path riding down the middle. Like a dam road, so you can drive up and wave to he Mexicans.
papertiger (c8116c) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:28 pmKevin M., we’re still going to have border guards and with modern technology I do believe we can make it considerably more effective than most would believe. Of course the most effective wall is one where you get murdered if you try and cross. So no, it may not keep out the same percentage of attempts as Berlin but that’s the price we pay for being less vicious than communists.
Anything is better than the current catch-and-release program. We’re not stocking a tout lake here.
Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:33 pmTwelve members of Congress does not equal “Congress,” Dave. And you know that, and you labeled your own link.
And one psychiatrist who has never examined or treated the subject, talking out of his hat. It’s a trick they picked up from the Russians. Dezinformatsiya. Or is it kompromat? Manufacture something, plant it with a friendly outlet. In this case CNN. Maybe it gets legs with the rest of the media, maybe it doesn’t. Pretty pitiful, really, compared to the Fusion GPS dossier.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:43 pmYou ask for a miracle, Leo: that’s grubber remarking on the fbis myopia:
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:45 pmhttps://legalinsurrection.com/2018/01/that-border-wall-wont-be-a-physical-wall-says-sen-lankford/
Slevnevskia is i think the term you are looking for,
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:48 pmNo, Mr. Google says that word does not exist. Gary Kasparov says it’s dezinformatsiya. Fake news.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:57 pmSlow schizophrenia I’m speaking of how dissidents were treated not only the kgb, but the securitate
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:01 pmIf fences don’t work, why do I see so many of them around places people want to secure?
No, by itself, it’s not going to do much, but as an added layer of security combined with electronic measures, border patrol, drones, and so forth, it will be a definite help. Yes it can be defeated, heck, people break out of prison too, but whole lot less so than if they didn’t have a fence.
I believe a fence would be a force multiplier increasing border security by 50% compared to anything we do sans fence, and that added effectiveness would pay for itself in short order in multiple ways.
Neither should the symbolic effect be dismissed. It demonstrates a determination that has been sorely missing from the illegal issue plaguing us for a long time.
TheBas (8d01aa) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:07 pmAnyway, promising to build a fence is the main reason Trump got elected, regardless how or who it is paid by, and his support will vanish if he doesn’t get’er done. Remember, this was a HUGE issue at the turn of the century, culminating in congress passing legislation to build the wall in 2006. The GOP, especially those the don’t like Trump, best remember, blowing off that hard won victory for the grassroots is how they got Trump. They really won’t like what they get next time if they keep blowing it off. Especially if they grant any kind of amnesty without even a symbolic nod to greater border security.
Gotcha. And it is laughably the mice trying to bell the cat.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:08 pmI didn’t know emilio lizardo was in congress
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:21 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/949056229841821700
“Twelve members of Congress does not equal “Congress,” Dave. And you know that, and you labeled your own link.
And one psychiatrist who has never examined or treated the subject, talking out of his hat. It’s a trick they picked up from the Russians. Dezinformatsiya. Or is it kompromat? Manufacture something, plant it with a friendly outlet. In this case CNN. Maybe it gets legs with the rest of the media, maybe it doesn’t. Pretty pitiful, really, compared to the Fusion GPS dossier.
nk (dbc370) — 1/4/2018 @ 7:43 pm”
Meanwhile, someone who’s known Trump for over 40 years:
https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/status/949001721703002112
Lenny (5ea732) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:22 pmThe scary thing, raskin. Is a law professor of sorts. A chapter head of the aclu
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:34 pm, like mark halperins pop, mort now a top man with sores think regress
If fences don’t work, why do I see so many of them around places people want to secure?
I get that point, but your six-foot or eight-foot or even twelve-foot fence only goes so far in keeping people from breaking in to your home. What really works as prevention (though it is clearly not 100% effective) is that a criminal has some understanding that if they get caught in your home they will likely be arrested and convicted, and they might even be maimed or killed. I’m not suggesting that the cure to illegal immigration is found at the end of a billy club or gun, but I do think that that one reason we can’t seem to stop it is because there’s an understanding that once you’re here and relatively established, you aren’t going to be removed and repatriated unless you get into serious criminal trouble. Moreover, it’s also now widely known that having a child here — or in the case of the DACA crew, bringing in a young child to this country — gives you a foothold that makes you hard to deport. Until we do more to prevent illegal immigrants from establishing themselves here, we’re kind of just spitting in the wind. Even if we had the world’s most awesome border wall, studies suggest that 40% of the people here illegally arrived on a visa and just never returned home, so unless we address that we will just have more people applying for visitor visas and overstaying them.
JVW (42615e) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:37 pmWell it does have to a multipronged effort, this is why random deportations do send a signal, in addition to the barrier.
narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:46 pmWell it does have to a multipronged effort, this is why random deportations do send a signal, in addition to the barrier.
I guess I can’t get much agreement, but I would take every dollar that would be spent on Trump’s wall and dedicate it instead to expediting deportations.
JVW (42615e) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:48 pmJVW, I agree, and so does Trump. He’s said he wants the wall, AND those other things you mention.
Thing is, as it’d been said, politics is the art of compromise, and we may not get it all this time. Which is the historic point conservatives start crying and abandon the whole effort. Realistically, we better take what we can get and keep fighting for more as that is how proggs have been able to advance their agenda. And the fence needs to be part of what we get now, both for the symbolic effect and because it’s been LAW since 2006.
First you stop the bleeding, then you treat the wound.
TheBas (8d01aa) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:51 pmScott Adams weighs in on Trumps sanity.
TheBas (8d01aa) — 1/4/2018 @ 8:54 pmAnything is better than the current catch-and-release program.
One better thing would be to actually allow young people to enter and work, rather than using up the quota on old relatives seeking free medical care.
Kevin M (752a26) — 1/4/2018 @ 9:10 pmnk,
With enough lies by enough people, it becomes accepted truth.
Kevin M (752a26) — 1/4/2018 @ 9:12 pmThing is, as it’d been said, politics is the art of compromise, and we may not get it all this time.
Once the GOP signs off on the DACA extension then they have almost no more bargaining leverage with the Democrats. The Republicans have to get as much as possible this time around and not expect that they will be able to make much headway on immigration again for another generation.
JVW (42615e) — 1/4/2018 @ 9:29 pmKevin M, the proggs are more insidious than that. They make the public pretend to accept what they know are lies.
TheBas (8d01aa) — 1/4/2018 @ 9:31 pmCool, let them pay for it then, as promised hundreds of times.
Far-sighted patriots elected the greatest negotiator in the history of the world to take care of that for us.
Various committees and sub-committees of the House and Senate may be of similar size, and briefings or testimony to them are routinely described in shorthand fashion as being delivered “to Congress”. In fact, nobody ever gives testimony “to Congress” (in the sense of all 435 congressmen and 100 senators assembled together).
In any case, the label of the link was intended to be humorous.
One way to be sure it will pay for itself is to for it to cost us (the taxpayers) nothing to begin with, as candidate Trump promised unequivocally, hundreds of times.
For Trump to stick the US taxpayer with the bill, after promising the exact opposite in every stump speech for two years, would be the most dishonest and cynical fraud ever perpetrated by an American politican – a more egregious lie than “Read My Lips, No New Taxes”, “I Did Not Have Sex With That Woman” and “You Can Keep Your Doctor” all rolled into one.
Dave (445e97) — 1/4/2018 @ 11:30 pmFrom experience walls are hard to get over when they are guarded by men with loaded weapons or surveiled by air. All prisons have walls. So look at Mexico as one big prison full of criminals trying to escape. Build the wall Trump or your fu##ing toast.
mg (55254c) — 1/5/2018 @ 12:09 amDementia symptoms vary depending on the cause, but common signs and symptoms include:
Cognitive changes:
•Memory loss, which is usually noticed by a spouse or someone else
•Difficulty communicating or finding words
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•Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
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Psychological changes:
•Personality changes
•Depression
•Anxiety
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Garçon! Strawberry parfaits all ’round– three scoops of Dolly Madison vanilla for our Captain!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 1/5/2018 @ 12:16 amNYT: Semi-literate president tried to obstruct justice by preventing Sessions’ recusal
Dave (445e97) — 1/5/2018 @ 1:08 amMexico is full of criminals just like a prison. All prisons have walls to keep people from escaping. Mexico is a prison with no wall on our border. Build the wall Trump or your azz is grass. And make those lazy teamsters build it on the time they owe America. Teamsters can kiss my non union azz. Unions GTFOH.
mg (8cbc69) — 1/5/2018 @ 2:58 amThis country does not need unions, lawyers, democrats and most definitely republican shills.
mg (8cbc69) — 1/5/2018 @ 3:05 am(emphasis added)
(emphasis added)
There you have it. Identical promises in the first speech of his campaign, and the last speech of his campaign. (And also in practically every one of the hundreds of rallies during the 16 months in between). Literally the only campaign promise he never qualified, hedged or waffled on during the whole campaign.
And it was all a calculated, cynical lie to con his most faithful and enthusiastic supporters.
Think about that.
Dave (445e97) — 1/5/2018 @ 5:12 amThe abolishment of the lottery system was part of the 2013 immigration bill, so Schumer might be amenable to that, if he got othe things, but other than that, or some minor provisions, I can not see ZDemocrats agreeing to any restruction of legal immigration.
That might easily pass, as long as paying the money also expedited the isssuance of the visas, but expediting visas is one thing that I think Trump has (maliciously and irrationally) stopped.
Allowing companies (or the individuals themselves or their families) to take out imsurance on that might be a very workable idea. If you mean actually guarantee or get prosecuted, I can’t see it.
The insurance companies would probably do a better job of vetting than anybody else, and you could stilll have lists of bad people.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 1/5/2018 @ 10:36 am5. narciso (d1f714) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:33 pm
There’s a quota put on it, There’s aquota on just about everything except spouses and clergy.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 1/5/2018 @ 10:38 am13. Admiral Ben Bunsen Burner (b3d5ab) — 1/4/2018 @ 4:47 pm
The book says he eats fast food because he’s been afraid of being poisoned for years – and this kind of take out food is not prepared for any person in particular. So he only has to worry about something that endangers the general public.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 1/5/2018 @ 10:40 amDave, you have worked yourself into quite a state with the wall thing (” the most dishonest and cynical fraud ever perpetrated by an American politican – a more egregious lie than “Read My Lips, No New Taxes”, “I Did Not Have Sex With That Woman” and “You Can Keep Your Doctor” all rolled into one.).
Let me help you out with a pretty basic concept.
When a solar panel salesman tells you “these panels will pay for themselves in five years”, he’s not really saying those things on your roof will be making payments to your bank loan. And no the salesman is not shameless telling you the lie of the century. Watch close now, it’s the money NOT spent that otherwise would be, that savings of expenditure, that works to pay for the outlay of cash invested in the panels.
In the same way, when a wall is built, Mexico having to pay for the care and feeding of the Mexicans prevented from entering the USA illegally, and preventing Mexico from passing that expenditure on to us, is what will pay for the wall.
As a friendly pointer dave, your histrionics on this issue are a waste of energy. To the nevertrumpers, you don’t have to work so hard. Just say “orange” and they’ll be triggered into a rage. To a Trump supporter, it doesn’t matter. It’s like a kid wants a pony, so someone promises him a pony but never gives it to him. Then someone else promises them a pony, with purple mane, and the kid says “cool!”.
When the second guy gives the kid his pony, do you really think he will care if the mane isn’t purple?
You’re fixated on the finger.
TheBas (8d01aa) — 1/5/2018 @ 11:27 amThat’s some Super Bowl class goal post moving.
Davethulhu (fab944) — 1/5/2018 @ 11:57 amDoes he scope out a particular McDonald’s along the trail to see the poison potential among it’s “labor pool”? Arpaio had to carry a brown bag after a while.
urbanleftbehind (1d75fb) — 1/5/2018 @ 12:09 pmhttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/05/contractor-hopes-for-piece-trumps-border-wall-no-matter-who-pays-for-it.html
mg (8cbc69) — 1/5/2018 @ 12:40 pmThis is the company that will build the greatest wall and two high speed roads to protect Americans.
Love this man. Listened to him on the Wilkow majority today and he was all about protecting America.