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11/30/2017

Roy Moore and The Federalist

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:32 am

The post is at RedState.
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[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

104 Responses to “Roy Moore and The Federalist”

  1. bevvie boo boo’s account has always been super silly just on the face of it

    why would she get in the rapemobile if she knew her boyfriend was on the way to pick her up

    this is not a thing people do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. Maybe the cheap thrill of daring to be caught with the musk of another…see Adrien Brody’s character in Summer of Sam, daring to be caught by his steady (Mira Sorvino).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  3. it’s all just so tawdry i’m glad my mama raised me good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. Question: If living in Alabama, would you vote for the Democrat to reduce the chance that Moore was elected?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  5. You were raised by wolves, pikachu.

    There are certain flags in the maskirovna.

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. I still say Jones should say “You survived Reconstruction, you’ll survive me”.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  7. raised by wolves my fuzzy yeller butt

    which unlike slutboy Joe Barton’s is not in the public domain

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. “Is voting for a guy who did this stuff justified? I have previously made the case against it in the links above.

    But at the very least, let’s not repeat bogus defenses and minimize what Moore is alleged to have done”.

    This sounds like a possible shift to a position that one can vote for him as long as they agree on what constitutes a “bogus defense”.

    harkin (374706)

  9. There’s no factual basis for these two women’s incredible stories that cannot on the face be believed without extensive investigation

    EPWJ (4dc563)

  10. Mirengoff finally complains that “Corfman told the Post that her life spiraled downward after her alleged encounters with Moore” but says: “We now know that she had serious issues before then.” But he also acknowledges that she could be telling the truth. He says there is evidence that Corfman’s mom, trying to regain custody of Corfman, claimed that the disciplinary problems had gotten better. But Corfman’s description of a life spiraling downward wasn’t about whether she was a rebellious teenager, but the way that this sexual episode from a much older man so early in life affected the entirely of her adult life — something that many molestation victims can attest to.

    I believe this is a mischaracterization of Mirengoff’s claim.

    Based on the fact that there was a custody proceeding scheduled that resulted in custody being transferred to Corfman’s father due to the fact Corfman was having “disciplinary and behavioral” problems, strongly suggests that Corfman was already in the “downward spiral” as she described it later. And the timing for that would be prior to her meeting Moore — according to her.

    This is incongruous — not strictly inconsistent — with her claim that her involvement with Moore started her on a downward spiral of boyfriends, drinking, and drugs as she described it. Its also incongruous with the fact that one year later — when she was 15 — the court returned her to the custody of her mother based on a finding that the behavioral problems had been resolved.

    There is still the issue of the witnesses who corroborate her — but again, I don’t think they corroborate her contemporaneous with the events. My recollection is that she told some people after some passage of time.

    I think there was probably some form of contact/relationship between Moore and Corfman. I think the time frame is certainly far from conclusively established.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  11. A click too far; it’s a win if he wins and a win if he loses.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. @10 Based on the fact that there was a custody proceeding scheduled that resulted in custody being transferred to Corfman’s father due to the fact Corfman was having “disciplinary and behavioral” problems, strongly suggests that Corfman was already in the “downward spiral” as she described it later. [Emphasis added.]

    What bollocks. It obviously does not “strongly suggest” any such thing. So far as one can tell, the Corfman custody change was a pattern seen not at all infrequently with unextraordinary adolescent teenage girls, especially where the parents are separated. They start to not get along well with mom, and then really don’t get along with mom, and changes are made. Like going to live with dad. That often offers some lessons that perhaps mom wasn’t so bad after all (etc.), and the custodial arrangements not infrequently change back again.

    Q! (86710c)

  13. we also have no idea how many older guys Corfman was going out with while her parents were divorcing

    she could easily just be mapping her experience with some other older guy onto Mr. Moore

    possibly in exchange for money

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. fiddy dollar buy a lotta pop tarts down at the pik n pak

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/30/2017 @ 9:19 am

    why would she get in the rapemobile if she knew her boyfriend was on the way to pick her up

    this is not a thing people do

    More important, how could she hope to call her boyfriend after she got home and tell him not to come? How could she reach him and stop him from coming?

    She says she wanted to call him and tell him not to come but she didn’t because this was days before cellphones. If nobody had cellphones, and nobody did, why would she want to do something that was impossible to do? It’s like somebody saying “I wanted to take the highway, but this was before they built the highway.” Not “I would have wanted” “I didn’t think of the idea.” But “I wanted to”

    Maybe the young person helping to compose this would have wanted to.

    And just not having a cellphone is not enough of a reason not to try to call her boyfriend (and see if he had left home. for this to make sense the restaurant has to be closed or otherwise she could surely get permission from someone in the restaurant to use their phone. She says she got off at 10, but the ads in the Gadsden Times at the beginning of Janauary, say say the restaurant closed at 11 pm as well as by what former waitress Rhonda Ledbetter says (she says she thought it closed at midnight, but it was at least 11 pm because people from the giodyear store next door went there to east after it closed.)

    And then she says her plan was to call her boyfriend after she got home. But it is not only true that she didn’t have a cellphone, he didn’t have a cellphone, either!

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  16. it makes NO sense Mr. Finkelman

    that boo boo’s a LIAR i think

    but she’s the Allred boo boo, so that’s kinda par for the course

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. And then there’s this: Roy Moore doesn’t drive far away and rape her there.

    No, he just drives around to the back of the parking lot, behind the restaurant and tries it there.

    Why? Because she needs that in her story to explain how she got home, and that it wasn’t in a way so that she would have inevitably told her mother and probably her younger sister her story. So she fights him, and he lets her out, releasing the lock (that a passenger can’t open?) that maybe doesn’t exist in an old model car (old in 1977!) and drives off with the door still open, telling her he is the District Attorney of Etowah County, which he wasn’t, (and Gloria Allred and Beverly Young Nelson both indicate that that was true, although Beverly Young Nelson would surely have found out in all the intervening years that it was not, and it also would be an important thing to mention, and with Gloria Allred misspelling the name of the county in two different ways in the version of the prepared statement she released to thee press)

    …driving off through the back entrance of the parking lot, which went to the next street, which the Moore campaign says on November 20, (by which time they’d had a chance to get some facts straight, at least about this) they think wasn’t there.

    There were houses and their back lots behind the back of the parking lot and there was probably no way to go by car through the parking lot to the next street.

    But she needs Moore to go out that way in order to miss her boyfriend who arrives just when she got back to the front of the restaurant. If he had already arrived so soon, why would she have expected or hoped to call him at home when she got home? Because she could only reach him if he was still home. Because he didn’t have a cellphone, either.

    Now Tully Borland evidently wants to grant it happened and say Roy Moore didn’t drive far away because he thought she would consent. But if so, how many seconds would it take for him to realize he’d made a bad mistake? Not even five. That’s not what she describes. New York’s former mayor Ed Koch made such a mistake with a girl when he was a teenager, and he realized it from her reaction right away, and, as a result, he never touched a woman again and was a lifelong celibate. That’s why he got along so well with the Roman Catholic Cardinal O’Connor because only he maybe really understood him.

    Oh, and also: Beverly Young Nelson says Roy Moore parked the car between the wall and the dumpster in the back. They have people who say there were two dumpsters, both on the side, and they were flat up against the restaurant so that employees could open a door and just put garbage right in. And Rhonda Ledbetter says she thinks there wasn’t even enough room in the back for a car to turn around – i.e. not a good place to put a dumpster.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  18. yes yes she says she got off at 10 … when the restaurant closed

    so nobody lingered at all everyone was out the door and out of the parking lot at 10

    except for honey boo boo and Roy Moore

    but Roy Moore was standing in the parking lot while everyone except for boo boo left, but Mr. Moore wasn’t concerned about anyone being able to testify that he lingered in the parking lot right before he did a rape attempt on hb2

    as a district attorney in training he would almost certainly understand that this would be an incriminating fact

    and yet boo boo says he told her this (read with snidely whiplash voice)

    You are a child. I am the District attorney of Etiwah County. If you tell anyone about this, no one will believe you.

    Well if she was bruised to where she had to cover it with makeup and all her co-workers saw him linger around with boo boo (remember he wasn’t in his car), why wouldn’t they believe her?

    Of course they would believe her.

    She’s so full of crap.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. R.I.P. Jim Nabors

    Shame, shame, shame!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. 10. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/30/2017 @ 10:22 am

    — [Leigh Corfman’s having “disciplinary and behavioral” problems, before, is] incongruous — not strictly inconsistent — with
    her claim that her involvement with Moore started her on a downward spiral of boyfriends, drinking, and drugs as she described it. Its also incongruous with the fact that one year later — when she was 15 — the court returned her to the custody of her mother based on a finding that the behavioral problems had been resolved.

    However, this would amount to a lie about how terrible a thing it was what Roy Moore did, not he event itself, and we could also distinguish between general misbehavior, and promiscuity, which it could have caused.

    There is still the issue of the witnesses who corroborate her — but again, I don’t think they corroborate her contemporaneous with the events. My recollection is that she told some people after some passage of time.

    She claims hat she told two or three friends – at least one anyway. Told what? Not clear, but at least that she was seeing a much older man, and that that friend or friends told her to break off the relationship, and she did.

    Now the Moore campaign had a probable error reasonably late and then didn’t want to talk about it.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/roy-moore-campaign-refuses-to-substantiate-claims-about-accuser/2017/11/22/e9d89f20-cfa6-11e7-81bc-c55a220c8cbe_story.html\

    Leigh Corfman says Roy More picked her up on tehir two “dates” (not really a date she says, he took her to his home) around the corner from where they lived – at Alcott Road and Riley Street.

    But the intersection of Alcott Road and Riley Street are more than a mile away and across a hihway from where the Moore campaign says she lived. The Washingtom Post says they have apolice report from 1980 that places Leigh Corfman;s mother just around the corner and her mother say she lived there from 1974 to 1981.

    It should be possible to settle this, just from court records and telephone listings, although both can be incorrect. And now we learn they changed all or many of the street numbers in Gadsden circa 1978.

    They said tat

    I think there was probably some form of contact/relationship between Moore and Corfman. I think the time frame is certainly far from conclusively established.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  21. 12 — your view is wholly conjectural. My view marries up the “behavioral and disciplinary” findings by the Court at age 14 with her own statement that she started a downward spiral of boyfriends, alcohol and drug use.

    You take the findings and give them a very benign interpretation — just teenage rebellion. I think a court ordered switch of custody is more than that — the parents could have simply agreed on a transfer of custody if it was just to deal with unruliness. Moving her to the father IMO sounds more like trying to get her away from the influences that her mother was not able to shield her from.

    IMO, her self-described “downward spiral” is more consistent with the Court’s order than it is with her identifying Moore as the cause — and the Court’s order predated her contact with Moore based on her own timeline.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  22. Even w/the dour projections for middle class Americans, John ‘Keating Five’ McCain says he will vote yes on GOP tax plan. But then, what the hell does he care; he’s a dead man walking and his estate and family will make out like bandits.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. I think there was probably some form of contact/relationship between Moore and Corfman. I think the time frame is certainly far from conclusively established.

    She could easily be lying about the year, and the details, but there should be some inconsistencies to trip her up in that case. Someone should see if there really is any basis for questioning what her address was in 1977. It’s probably tough determining where anybody lived because they changed the street numbering. (maybe only slightly) But there should be some old fire insurance maps or something.

    The biggest question is how she came to the attention of the Washington Post.

    Beverly Young Nelson showed some real emotion, but maybe she was thinking of something else.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  24. Patterico’s Red State article reads like the work of a creative defense attorney grasping for ways to buttress Moore’s accusers’ increasingly shakey accounts of alleged sexual abuse during confusing and troubled adolescence.

    ropelight (1b4d8d)

  25. her downward spiral continues to this day i think

    what with all these preposterous lies and public displays of being crazy and her generally pitiful and attention-starved demeanor

    somebody love me somebody love me you can hear her crying at night and she’s so sad :(

    sometimes she thinks oh gosh if I could only have some money Lord I promise i’d bear false witness against even one of your best disciples!

    and so she lets go and lets God, and it is only then that she sleeps

    but in the morning when she wakes the feelings return

    the feeling that she wasted her life

    the feeling that she’s a bad person (i am no good she sighs)

    the feeling that she wants to lash out

    she wants to lash out at a man of God!

    and so she accuses her pastor of doing naughty stuff on her

    and then she goes to another church and does the same

    and another

    she is honey boo boo

    and this is her story

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. 22, that’s when skeptics start gritting their teeth and asks what will McCain get in return?

    urbanleftbehind (fc08fe)

  27. Moore will fit right in with the long line of saints and sinners.

    crazy (d99a88)

  28. happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/30/2017 @ 11:19 am

    yes yes she says she got off at 10 … when the restaurant closed

    Except the restaurant did not close at 10, but at 11. (unless they changed the hours right after she quit)

    https://twitter.com/billineastala/status/930519160123248640?lang=en

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  29. so nobody lingered at all everyone was out the door and out of the parking lot at 10

    except for honey boo boo and Roy Moore

    Well, she doesn’t say that nobody else was there, but you could say she left and he left at the same time. She because her shift ended then and he because as a customer, he had to leave. She says he used to stay in there till closing in the same seat almost every day. Like it was a Starbucks, I guess. Only without coffee.

    but Roy Moore was standing in the parking lot while everyone except for boo boo left, but Mr. Moore wasn’t concerned about anyone being able to testify that he lingered in the parking lot right before he did a rape attempt on hb2

    The parking was dark in the back, she says. You could say like Tully Borland, that it wasn’t a rape attempt, but then he would have stopped.

    as a district attorney in training he would almost certainly understand that this would be an incriminating fact

    Not the district attorney in training. According to her, the actual district attorney. Not just that he said it and signed her yearbook that way, but both she and Gloria Allred stated that as fact in November, 2017.

    Roy Moore said earlier this year the old district attorney was getting ready to retire. At the time were three part timers. Then he was hired, fresh out of law school, as the deputy district attorney (there has to be a story there) and he did everything, but what he especially did is he tried cases.

    If there were three cases (a week?) he would handle two of them, and if there were four, he would handle two or three. That’s what he said. And while he was deputy district attorney, which lasted until 1982, he first saw Kayla Kisor. Although she didn’t maybe see him.

    and yet boo boo says he told her this (read with snidely whiplash voice)

    You are a child. I am the District attorney of Etiwah County. If you tell anyone about this, no one will believe you.

    Which he wasn’t. And it’s “Etowah” county. And Gloria Allred also spelled it “Elowah” county elsewhere in the written version of the statement by Beverly Young Nelson. And I think those are the only spelling mistakes in the document. The Spelling Mafia strikes again! There’s a reason for this and it’s probably Nexis/Lexis.

    Oh, and notice, in this version of events, Roy Moore is careful to say to Beverly Young Nelson that he considers what he wanted to do to be pedophilia:

    You are a child.

    Even though it actually wouldn’t be pedophilia. Rape maybe but not pedophilia.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  30. Well if she was bruised to where she had to cover it with makeup

    The next day. It takes time for a bruise to show. Also, she went straight to bed when she got home. Her boyfriend supposedly didn’t notice anything, partly because it was dark, and it was late, and she didn’t tell him because he had a violent temper.

    Also she didn’t want him doing something that would get him in trouble with the District Attorney of Etowah County.

    and all her co-workers saw him linger around with boo boo (remember he wasn’t in his car), why wouldn’t they believe her?

    Well, she doesn’t say anybody else saw them. She doesn’t say nobody did, but doesn’t say that they did. The implication is they both left at exactly the same time.

    As for anyone being there when she got back after escaping from Mr. Moore’s car while he drove out of the parking lot through the back exit that proably wasn’t there:

    She says:

    I was making my way to the front of the restaurant when my boyfriend arrived

    So he didn’t wait for her. And she didn’t wait for him. Ad nobody else was there.

    Of course they would believe her.

    Better, why would Moore think that she would think that nobody would believe her?

    Especially if she said it happened right now, and how could Moore know hat nobody would be there? Driving out the back way would seem to be inconsistent with him thinking nobody could be there.

    Anyway, she doesn’t say she thought nobody would believe her. She gives other reasons for remaining silent.

    She says in fact that her boyfriend would believe her but she didn’t trust his reaction. She says she didn’t tell her mother because she was afraid that the powerful district attorney of Etowah County would do something to her or her family.

    That’s so full of crap.

    He was NOT the District Attorney of Etowah County!

    In fact other people told us he was banned from the mall. Which isn’t true, but the two stories don’t fit together.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  31. she needs to apologize Mr. Finkelman

    for doing lies on innocent people number one

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. Tully Borland didn’t do much research. It;s mostly plagiarism,. with some defense of the alleged acts thrown in.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  33. @21 12 — your view is wholly conjectural. My view marries up the “behavioral and disciplinary” findings by the Court at age 14 with her own statement that she started a downward spiral of boyfriends, alcohol and drug use.

    My view is “conjectural”? “Wholly conjectural”? And your view “marries up” x and y with less supposed speculation? Risible, counselor. Occam’s Razor, baby.

    Ben Dupré, a former chief of staff to Moore, attempted to cast doubt on Corfman’s statements that her life spiraled out of control after she had alleged contact with Moore. Dupré said the campaign has proof that the custody hearing the day Corfman says she met Moore was predicated on the fact that, according to court documents, Corfman had “certain disciplinary and behavioral problems.”

    “This was the basis for them asking that custody be changed from Leigh Corfman’s mother to her father because the father was better equipped … to deal with the already existing disciplinary problems of Leigh Corfman,” Dupré said.[Ref, emphasis added]

    …at that February 21, 1979, court case Wells voluntarily gave up custody of Corfman to Corfman’s father, Robert R. Corfman. The two had been divorced since 1974. The custody case was amicable and involved a joint petition by both parents.[Ref]

    E.g., “for them asking”; “joint petition”. Both parents joined in the change of custody and there is no indication whatsoever that I am aware of that the Court held any evidentiary hearing upon which findings issued. So far as one can tell this action was no more than a court-approved change of custody to which the parties (mom and dad) had sought and stipulated to, because the daughter was too much for her mom to handle -slash – because the daughter was constantly butting heads with her mom. “Certain disciplinary and behavioral problems” is resoundingly vague and benign language, which one can well imagine an attorney including in a joint petition for change of custody, and which one can easily imagine a judge adopting (or creating) in agreeing with the parties to the change of custody they had already agreed upon. There is no reason to believe that “certain disciplinary and behavioral problems” meant or was intended to mean “severe” problems, nor any reason to suppose (much less to assert, as shipwrecked does) that this language “strongly suggests that Corfman was already in the ‘downward spiral'”

    Q! (86710c)

  34. R.I.P. Jim Nabors

    Icy (e4af63)

  35. Bruises would surely look out of place on a girl with a violent boyfriend.

    Pinandpuller (b122d5)

  36. Hey little thing let me light your candle cause

    Your mama says your too hot to handle now

    It gets around

    Pinandpuller (b122d5)

  37. *You’re know what I mean*

    Pinandpuller (b122d5)

  38. 35. We don’t hear anything about her boyfriend. Who he was. Anything at all. I’m sure there’s a back story the press was told, but nothing for anyone else. So nothing to check out and nothing to assess the probability of.

    Theer’s too much wrong with Beverly Young Nelson’s story, including also the fact that nobody impartial has seen the yearbook,. And the signature from 1999 also has DA (provided that is correct – I wish somebody would report what exactly is in the court records both about BYN and Leigh Corfman)

    But in 1999 it can;t signify “District Attorney.” It;’s said to e the initials of the court clerk who used a stamp with Roy Moore’s signature. I wish we had better pictures.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  39. I don’t know what it means that in 2016, Etowah County, Alabama, had the highest per capita rate of sexually transmitted diseases of any county in the country, according to the CDC.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  40. It is amazing the amount of time people spend analyzing this turd pile.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  41. If there is a political hit job involved here, it’s pretty important.

    Sammy Finkelman (e70ce9)

  42. Roy Moore fought for his country to where he could have almost died, thereby sacrificing his own life for so other people could be free

    these honey boo boos though, they just sit there and poop

    advantage: American hero Roy Moore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. Maybe the boyfriend didn’t know he was the boyfriend. Maybe she told men about an imaginary boyfriend so they would leave her alone. His name was Davy Jones.

    Pinandpuller (b122d5)

  44. I worked with some barely legal girls at a C-store. They put Sleeping Beauty and Snow White on their name tags so customers wouldn’t know their real names.

    Pinandpuller (b122d5)

  45. It’s like all the rape/racism/islamophobia hoaxes recently, if it looks like someone with an ax (hiya pin) to grind made it all up to push a narrative or smear someone, then there’s nothing to see here, move along (e.g. Rolling Stone UVA, Air Force Academy, Michael Brown, just about anything that has happened on a college campus and/or claimed by Lena Dunham).

    harkin (aeabd2)

  46. Axes and Allies.

    Pinandpuller (b122d5)

  47. I know this guy who actually got straightened out by The World’s Best Navy (Hi Steve57 since we’re giving shout outs). Before he went in he was a mess. After he got stationed he tried to tell me he was riding on a helicopter when he pulled out his sidearm and shot at some dolphins.

    He’s an officer now if that makes you feel better.

    Pinandpuller (b122d5)

  48. I swear, I saw that headline and read “Roy Moore and the Pederast”.

    Bill H (383c5d)

  49. dolphins are so stupid have you ever heard them talk they sound like muppets

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  50. Mr. Moore was wearing brown hush puppies on his feet.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  51. How often do we get real news:

    dailysignal.com/2017/11/30/tillerson-speech-hits-right-notes-europe-weak-support-brexit

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. “dolphins are so stupid have you ever heard them talk they sound like muppets”

    The ones I’ve heard sound like the gopher from Caddyshack

    harkin (aeabd2)

  53. Words to live by:

    the key thing is going forward everyone needs to make a special effort not to rape each other

    every rape we prevent today can prevent a lot of heartache and confusion come 2050 when it gets reported

    — happyfeet

    nk (dbc370)

  54. Ot, what is the point of bay area law enforcement?

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. 25 Democratic Senate seats up for re-election in 2018. Only 8 Republican.
    12 seats not safe; no-way-less-than five, currently Democrat, up for grabs.
    Republicans could, realistically, have a filibuster-proof 60 votes in the next Senate.
    WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! This is what it’s all about!

    nk (dbc370)

  56. Heck they aren’t even drinking the pero or other coffee substitute.

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. Murderer of Kate Steinle found Not Guilty

    Colonel Haiku (63965c)

  58. This asshole defense lawyer…

    Colonel Haiku (63965c)

  59. Asshole California jurors, you mean.

    nk (dbc370)

  60. Meanwhile fusion gps collaborator Evan perez continues his fan fiction:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/30/trump-dossier-probe-fusion-gps-first-amendment-272953

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. Or maybe good jurors and prosecutors who bit off more than they could chew:

    The defense argued that the shooting was unintentional, that the defendant found the gun wrapped in a cloth under his seat at the pier and that it accidentally discharged. The defense also offered expert witnesses who testified that the bullet ricocheted off of the ground and traveled about 78 feet before striking Steinle.

    The jury’s decision indicates that it was convinced that the shooting was an accident.

    The gun was stolen four days before the killing from the parked car of a visiting Bureau of Land Management ranger. And even the prosecution agreed that there was no evidence linking Garcia Zarate to that robbery.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/30/567625700/jury-in-san-francisco-finds-accused-killer-of-kate-steinle-not-guilty-of-murder

    nk (dbc370)

  62. 56 – great article, thanks for posting.

    A snippet:

    “Rubin: Well, that was the money they gave to outside media companies. They also have internally a huge external affairs media division. So both internally and externally, there are hundreds of advertising companies and firms in the country who they could have gone to. They didn’t go to one other firm for the last three years. Every dollar of $60 million that they’ve spent advertising themselves went to this one firm. Which, at the moment, basically the only other client that this firm has is the Clinton Foundation and Clinton-related entities.”

    harkin (aeabd2)

  63. On the subject of expert witnesses, were I to defend a sexual harassment case (fat chance), I would name a couple of veteran vice squad detectives as expert witnesses and depose them, in the presence of opposing counsel, as to the going rate for sex for pay in the vicinity. Just for fun. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  64. Yeah should have went for something in the manslaughter spectrum, but this could have been OJ Simpson trial like soft-toss by the DA.

    urbanleftbehind (fc08fe)

  65. I don’t follow, its as if these rules are potemkin, except when there is a fake claim like say duke
    Across then its tunguska.

    narciso (d1f714)

  66. @62/63. Some punk stole my two security TV cameras and the HOA told me to water my lawn. Landscaping’s more important than neighborhood theft. Life is unfair, Haiku. No doubt our host can shed light on how the prosecution lost this– it seemed a slam dunk.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  67. The jury did get an instruction on involuntary manslaughter. But criminal negligence is a different standard of “evil mind” from civil negligence. It did find him guilty of possession of a firearm by a felon.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. How did Bruce “Kaitlyn” Jenner not even get charged for killing that woman he rear-ended? Like that.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. California is a great place to change planes for Hawaii.

    mg (60b0f7)

  70. Asshole California jurors, you mean.

    nk (dbc370) — 11/30/2017 @ 5:12 pm

    Goes without saying. It’s San Francisco.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  71. Listen to or read that defense lawyer Gonzalez’s first interview after the verdict. He’s a Grade A asshole.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  72. How about this kind of government funding Dave, DCSCA, Ben et al?

    Strong Words

    A new documentary tells the story of Margaret Howe Lovatt, who in the 1960s took part in a NASA-funded research project, in which she developed an unusual relationship with a dolphin named Peter.
    The emotional attachment between humans and animals is well documented. Like any animal and human who spend long amounts of time together, a dolphin trainer could say they “love” their dolphin, but this does not excuse nor open the door for zoophilia or delphinophilia. While I am a dolphin enthusiast, I am also a firm believer that humans and dolphins should not have sex…

    source

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  73. 72, if it was the Illinois penal system, it would be time to find a Gaylord, and not in the way you’re thinking.

    urbanleftbehind (fc08fe)

  74. 76, i think its the same dude that almost pulled a Chuy on Gavin Newsome in one mayoral race.

    urbanleftbehind (fc08fe)

  75. The jury was sending a message to trump just a as the o.j. simpson jury was sending a message about rodney king. When the liberal establishment is discredited as they are now their is no one to lead the left away from threats to the system.

    no more mr nice guy (519b52)

  76. @77

    If they ever get the “Dolphin translator” working, the dolphin’s first words will be:

    “I want to file a sexual harassment claim”

    Dave (445e97)

  77. jury nuliffication is one of the few ways the left can strike back now.

    no more mr nice guy (519b52)

  78. Would you rather vote for a twice defrocked child molester or a comfort woman who drove a dolphin to suicide?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  79. Dang! Everybody is getting sexually harassed except me. I must have really let myself go. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/travel/randi-zuckerberg-alaska-airlines-harassment.html

    nk (dbc370)

  80. “I want to file a sexual harassment claim”

    Dave (445e97) — 11/30/2017 @ 5:52 p

    Dave I have three orcas on the line wrongly accused of manslaughter.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  81. Well we haven’t heard the dolphins side of the story.

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. 85, I guess it went downhill after Zuck’s sister said she wasn’t that kind of Randy.

    urbanleftbehind (fc08fe)

  83. In other news of little consequence:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TomFitton/status/936401225196687360?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  84. There was a King Of The Hill episode about a horny dolphin which sexually harassed Hank. You never had a dog hump your leg? Animals will be animals. Here’s a video of a bull trying to have sex with a motorcycle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymqrl7F60U8

    nk (dbc370)

  85. True story… http://youtu.be/_zqiAceKzbg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  86. A guy got crushed to death in WA state by a horse, in the throes of passion. It’s safe to say WA has liveral [sic] laws on bestiality.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  87. Hank!!!

    https://goo.gl/images/TNev9q

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  88. Your instinct was right the first time, coromello:

    http://www.sfexaminer.com/judge-blocks-key-witness-testifying-kate-steinle-murder-trial/

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. I’d like to see a video of a woman going after ML with a spray bottle full of apple cider vinegar.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  90. Kate Steinle’s killer aquitted of her murder, but found guilty of being a felon and possessing the gun with which he shot her.

    Another judge also rules that sanctuary city that defied federal officials and released the five time illegal immigrant three months prior to the shooting is not liable for damages.

    In response to the tragedy, in July 2015 Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Matt Salmon introduced H.R.3011, the Establishing Mandatory Minimums for Illegal Reentry Act of 2015, also known as Kate’s Law. It would impose a mandatory minimum sentence of five years for any illegal reentry offense. It was passed 55-42, primarily by Senate Republicans, but was filibustered by opponents and the GOP lacked a supermajority to defeat the filibuster.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/24175/shock-california-jury-acquits-illegal-immigrant-hank-berrien

    Our diversity is our strength!!

    harkin (aeabd2)

  91. Not really a shock, they had called Evans who was good enough for the first trial.

    narciso (d1f714)

  92. I’ve read up on the definition of Involuntary Manslaughter; I assume the defense argued that the discharge of the gun was an accident. If nobody witnessed it, and there was no apparent motive, how can you prove otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt?

    What I don’t understand is that the accident defense requires that you were engaged in lawful activity; since the defendant was in illegal possession of the firearm, that seems like it should have been a pretty big problem for the defense.

    The murder charges, and the prosecution’s apparent attempts to prove the defendant aimed at the victim, without any real evidence (as far as I can tell), seem like they may have been a mistake to my non-lawyerly eyes.

    Maybe they should have concentrated on the manslaughter charge?

    Dave (445e97)

  93. #100

    I think Trump’s larger point is that Steinle’s killer should have been back in Mexico and unable to diddle around with a handgun out on the pier.

    No one mentions that SF sent a vehicle down to the prison to pick this guy up on a 20 year old marijuana possession violation specifically to deny the feds access to him.
    Then they dropped charges and set him free.
    Key takeaway was that SF sent an f****** driver at taxpayer expense to take him out of the clutches of the feds so they could ferry him back to SF, live on the streets and apply his 2nd grade education to operating a Sig Sauer.

    This is how obsessed SF with illegals.
    They sent a driver to go get an illegal who has been a boil on their ass the entire time he has lived there.

    steveg (e8c34d)

  94. Yep.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. bette midler’s become unbelievably tiresome in her dotage

    and she used to be the furthest thing in the whirl from that

    kinda sad but also a for reals cautionary tale for us all

    happyfeet (28a91b)


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