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11/28/2017

Gateway Pundit Blogger Arrested at UConn Speech After Altercation

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:30 pm

Protests of conservatives at college campuses have gotten out of control lately. But speakers should know better than to respond with violence. Such tactics are the province of the left, and should stay that way. Unfortunately, a Gateway Pundit reporter apparently has yet to learn that lesson. The Daily Beast reports:

Lucian Wintrich, a White House reporter for the far-right site Gateway Pundit, was arrested during a speech at the University of Connecticut on Tuesday evening after a physical altercation with a female attendee. Multiple videos of the event show Wintrich grabbing the woman from behind after she Commercial inflatable water slide took his written notes from the podium during a pause in the event, which drew large protests.

Here is some of the video of the incident:

This angle shows the woman taking Wintrich’s notes:

Ben Shapiro, no stranger to violent disruptions and protests at his speeches, had these thoughts:

1. Stealing people’s notes is dumb and bad.

2. This is a NUTS response to someone stealing your notes.

Agreed and agreed. But a NUTS response is what you would expect from someone associated with that garbage Web site.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

155 Responses to “Gateway Pundit Blogger Arrested at UConn Speech After Altercation”

  1. Quite right.

    The appropriate response to in-your-face theft is to turn around, bend over, pull down your pants and beg: “Lefties, please cornhole me! More! More!”

    Isn’t that what Roosevelt said to Hitler?

    Fred Z (05d938)

  2. How much security did Shapiro need last time, he spoke on a campus?

    narciso (d1f714)

  3. I’m guessing that I’m going to banned from Patterico for suggesting that stealing his briefcase, (or any personal property of his) is fine, because he won’t actually try to take it back. Because trying to take back your own personal property is really really wrong, according to Patterico.

    Jack (e5af45)

  4. Ha, ha, ha! Lucian Wintrich of “Twinks For Trump”? Yeah, a girl would be about his speed, and most of them an overmatch in the girl’s favor.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. Property is theft, when Charles MurrAy is assaulted and the perpetrators get off with a slap on the wrist.

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. Isn’t there a cutoff age for twinks? Like 21 or something? Wintrich is 29, and the other one who calls himself a “Twink For Trump”, Milo Yiannopoulos, is 33.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. Actually, he does have a good defense. He prevented a thief from absconding with his property and the force he used appears reasonable to me. In Texas, he could have shot her in the back legally.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. I question the veracity of the accuser’s story.

    What did she say?

    Dave (445e97)

  9. Going back to torts in law school — “right to repossession” anyone??

    Its a defense to an intentional tort.

    Not sure if it can be used as an affirmative defense in a criminal prosecution.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  10. Please tell all of us Mr. Patterico under what circumstance it is all right for anyone to take my stuff and under what circumstances you’ll allow me to try and take my stuff back from the people who took it.
    And then apply those rules to you.

    As far as I can tell, Patterico is saying it is not just OK to take some one elses stuff, it is wrong for those people to try and take it back.

    Jack (e5af45)

  11. She had not yet absconded, so it’s not repossession but defense of personal property. Here is the Illinois law (I imagine similar to that of other MPC states):

    Sec. 7-3. Use of force in defense of other property.
    (a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate such other’s trespass on or other tortious or criminal interference with either real property (other than a dwelling) or personal property, lawfully in his possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his immediate family or household or of a person whose property he has a legal duty to protect. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. Goofball or not, isn’t a person entitled to use reasonable force to recover stolen property?

    AZ Bob (f60c80)

  13. Yes. But it is also reasonable to mock a guy who calls himself a twink.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. “It’s a pity they can’t both lose.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  15. It looks bad, but I’m surprised he was arrested unless that was the only way to protect him. No one would prosecute and expect to win.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  16. I’m guessing that I’m going to banned from Patterico for suggesting that stealing his briefcase, (or any personal property of his) is fine, because he won’t actually try to take it back. Because trying to take back your own personal property is really really wrong, according to Patterico.

    Jack (e5af45) — 11/28/2017 @ 9:42 pm

    Jack, there’s no need to be so general and vague when we have specifics. The property stolen was notes. The context was political activism on video. Using violence, knocking a woman down, is an insane way to respond to something worth little, easily replaceable, probably just talking points he would happily post on the internet for all to see. This is about power, not property. It’s like defending that man who ran over the girl at the protest a while back. Because of him, all those statues were ripped down. As a political effort, his was a disaster.

    Please tell all of us Mr. Patterico under what circumstance it is all right for anyone to take my stuff

    Patterico was clear that even in this stupid scenario, taking the stuff was wrong, so you already have your answer and are refusing to listen to it.

    Goofball or not, isn’t a person entitled to use reasonable force to recover stolen property?

    AZ Bob

    Like you said, he’s a goofball whether or not he had a legal basis to use violence to get his nearly worthless piece of paper back, a severe remedy to a peppercorn of damages.

    Even 20 years ago the idea of a man knocking a woman down for anything but desperate self defense would seem obviously wrong to anyone on the right side of the spectrum. Real men do not hit women, unless the need to do so is an emergency.

    he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary

    Good point, nk, but that’s the important part of the Illinois law. And was it necessary that he knock the woman to the ground? Could he have gotten the paper back from the massive presence of others in the room, the video evidence of the theft, her easy identification, the presence of police, or was this a necessary act? Suppose the paper was lost… what would his damages be in civil court? A penny?

    Besides, this is not how we behave in public because it is a breach of peace. Conservatives keep saying it’s terrible that colleges don’t want their speakers there… well conservatives need to be a little tougher when they encounter things like this. They enter the heart of the liberal lion knowing it will generate some stupid protests. Pies will be thrown. Ugly things will be said. Passage will be blocked. They have to be tough and non-violent in their response if they wish to bring change. Martin Luther King Jr is a tower over American history because he didn’t get trolled into being a fool. Patience is key to millennials learning how to be effective political activists. They do not come across as the oppressed political minority on campus when they are the ones stomping their boots into others.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  17. Martin Luther King Jr is a tower over American history because he didn’t get trolled into being a fool.
    Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/29/2017 @ 1:20 am

    He could get copies of all his notes from the FBI.

    Pinandpuller (e33099)

  18. He could get copies of all his notes from the FBI.

    hahahaha

    Indeed this is actually a good point. MLK was victimized in a lot of ways, and someone snooping on his notes is among them, but he won by not losing his mind about it. Of course he also paid with his life. That shouldn’t be the price, but for all his flaws, he did appear to be willing to pay it to improve our country.

    Meanwhile special snowflake Gateway Pundit fans are not so tough. Take their little notebook paper and they knock 110 lb women down the stairs like the big big men they are.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  19. B*tch on b*tch crime.

    @hodgetwins react to Man Smacks the Soul out of Woman on NYC Subway Very NSFW language

    Pinandpuller (e33099)

  20. Semi-related, sh*t got sur-e-ous mayne

    @hodgetwins react to Gay Pride Ends in Fighting NSFW language

    Pinandpuller (e33099)

  21. Infintely more important news out this morning from The Hill. The reporter John Solomon who has done most of the ground breaking reporting in the Uranium One scandal has now dropped a story he referred to a couple of weeks ago.

    SHOCKINGLY, in the same time frame that the Uranium One deal was undergoing CIFUS review, about which Hillary was unaware and played no role in approving, the Clinton Global Initiative was receiving huge contributions in the form of in-kind services for free from a company that specialized in PR, AND which had a significant big dollar client who actually paid them named —– Rosatom. Yep, the Russian Gov’t owned nuclear energy company that was behind the Uranium One deal.

    CGI, in an agreement with the State Dept when Hillary became SOS, set up a donor disclosure website, where it was supposed to post the identity of all donors and the amounts of their donations in an effort at transparency.

    Except that internally CGI decided that they did not need to report in-kind or pro bono work done on its behalf by third parties because the IRS didn’t recognize that as “contributions”.

    So the PR company in question, APCO Worldwide, is reported to have only made cash contributions to CGI of between $25,000 and $50,000.

    But the truth is that APCO provided millions to CGI in the form of in-kind and pro bono work on its behalf as a PR firm, starting in 2008, but accelerating in 2010 and thereafter.

    2010? Hmmmm — what was happening in 2010?? Oh yeah, CIFUS approved the sale in 2010, at the same time the FBI had an ongoing intelligence investigation which uncovered massive corruption and bribery by Rosatom officials in the US.

    Rosatom? Oh — they paid APCO $3 million in 2010 to lobby US gov’t officials. APCO disclosed in its foreign agent registration that it met with more than 50 US gov’t officials on behalf of Rosatom’s interests — including 10 officials with the State Dept.

    So the Russians pay APCO millions in actual dollars, and APCO then turns around and donates services worth millions to the Clinton Global Initiative — which supports Bill Clinton’s world wild travel and expenses, as well as employing all kinds of Clinton cronies. Sort of like the Russians just paying the Clintons through a 3rd party bagman.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  22. More need to read the history of Mao’s Cultural Revolution and his rabid defenders. What is happening on campuses is not business as usual.

    NJRob (b00189)

  23. Nobody had Lauer in Howie’s porn pool.

    mg (60b0f7)

  24. Turbas derge revolutionary bloc committees whether it’s Spanish amharic et al. The bladder the Brigatte (there was a recent seeires about the moro kidnapping on German tv) the weathermen.

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. Lauer??

    I thought Neil Degrasse Tyson was going to be the cherry on the liberal war on women sundae but the hits keep comin!

    Any suspicions Olbermann gave up politics this week as a pre-emptive move? He’s had issues with the ladies before.

    harkin (00236c)

  26. This is the way Mau Mauing is practiced big tome.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1117/glick112917.php3

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. Real men do not hit women, unless the need to do so is an emergency.

    Real men are what twinks look for. They themselves are …’ow you say in Austrian? … girly-men.

    I agree 100% that Wintrich is ludicrous. But even sissy-boys should not be arrested or prosecuted for defending their property and their personal space.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. Imagine what will happen to women in the USA when sharia law takes over.

    mg (60b0f7)

  29. Attempting to prevent theft is the new accosting.

    Fonzie on water skis!!

    harkin (92ce59)

  30. Lauer might have been a target for the other side given complaints about his perceived softball treatment of Trump in midcampaign interviews.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/team-hillary-clinton-cheers-matt-lauers-firing-says-he-was-mean-to-her/article/2641970

    urbanleftbehind (fc08fe)

  31. And entous gives up the ghost re grishenko, which makes his hiring at new Yorker perilous, maybe he can follow Ignatius into fiction

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. I’m reminded of the joke about why atheists are so annoying. All they want to do is talk about God.

    Another post dedicated to the Gateway Pundit? Love-hate relationships are the toughest to get past, I guess.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  33. That last came from veritas, why Bezos was so diligent, to cover with a pillow.

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. Real men do not hit women, but, then again, no one ever said that Lucian Wintrich was a real man.

    Yes, she stole his notes; one wonders if the left deliberately planned using a woman to do this to see if they could entrap Mr Wintrich into something stupid, or whether it was just a spontaneous act. Security could have stopped her and recovered his papers, and if she resisted, then she’d be the one charged with a crime.

    In my speech classes at the University of Kentucky, extemporaneous speaking was stressed, with impromptu — meaning: we were given a subject and three minutes to prepare — and prepared texts were simply not allowed. Perhaps people like Mr Wintrich ought to learn to do that.

    The sexist pig Dana (ecab7a)

  35. In Europe, Husquevarna makes way more money from hand held bladed tools than from their lawn mowers (considered high end landscaper swag here in the states).

    urbanleftbehind (fc08fe)

  36. Are you trying to be more cryptic then me?

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. Perhaps it is time for a piece outraged over Trump’s latest Tweet:

    So now that Matt Lauer is gone when will the Fake News practitioners at NBC be terminating the contract of Phil Griffin? And will they terminate low ratings Joe Scarborough based on the “unsolved mystery” that took place in Florida years ago? Investigate!

    Good conservatives don’t mention things like dead interns. Good conservatives have Bill Clinton over and consider him part of the family.

    Donaldo (95053d)

  38. But even sissy-boys should not be arrested or prosecuted for defending their property and their personal space.

    nk (dbc370) — 11/29/2017 @ 6:03 am

    Just to be clear, I don’t disagree. I don’t think this calls for an arrest. Maybe something though, on the administrative level. For both.

    But as political activism it was appropriately awful, given how awful the movement seems to be.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  39. It’s a running joke for me ever since the MFM labeled that kid in Charlottesville a “Nazi-sympathizer” because he allegedly wrote an essay about the Waffen-SS in high school.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. 39 – oh to have my 1971 Husqvarna 250 again! From Saddleback to El Mirage that sled was a joy to ride!

    http://www.2040-motos.com/_content/cars/images/33/423633/001.jpg

    harkin (bd8145)

  41. Nk, that particular shoe did fit. A lot more besides the essay, particular since that perp confided in his teacher about his sympathies well prior.

    urbanleftbehind (fc08fe)

  42. Our Windy City barrister wrote:

    But even sissy-boys should not be arrested or prosecuted for defending their property and their personal space.

    If defending their property and personal space means assaulting a woman, yes, they should be. I do not care if the woman is Ronda Rousey, men do not hit women!

    Of course, had the person who swiped his notes been a man standing in at 6’6 and 245 lb, I’d guess that Mr Wintrich would have been somewhat less physical in his response.

    The extremely sexist Dana (ecab7a)

  43. Gateway pundit lol.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/24039/no-bible-doesnt-say-you-should-vote-roy-moore-just-ben-shapiro


    No, The Bible Doesn’t Say You Should Vote For Roy Moore Just Because God Uses Bad People To Do Good Things

    Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Alabama, Roy Moore, 9-25-2017. Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images
    ByBEN SHAPIRO
    @benshapiro
    November 28, 2017 18.3k views
    On Tuesday, The Federalist’s Denise C. McAllister released an article that set the internet afire. Her premise: God might want you to vote for a bad man in order to achieve a good thing. Why? Because God has used bad men to accomplish good things before. This isn’t a new argument; it was made by pastors with regard to voting for Donald Trump in the 2016 election, and it’s being used now to justify voting for Roy Moore, despite credible allegations of sexual molestation of underage girls.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  44. Stupid argument, Roy Moore has been a man of insufferable probity, no matter how many Craigslist ‘victims’ comde nast and Bezos have happened to drag out

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. I don’t think you should use the word probity in the same sentence with Moore but carry on nun-killer.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  46. I do not care if the woman is Ronda Rousey, men do not hit women!

    … before they marry them.

    The sexister than thou nk (dbc370)

  47. Real men do not hit women,

    Even in self-defense?

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  48. Any thing from Tina Brown’s kitty litter pile really can’t be taken seriously.

    narciso (d1f714)

  49. Mr burn asked:

    Real men do not hit women,

    Even in self-defense?

    Not even then. Of course, real men can take the blows.

    The very blunt Dana (ecab7a)

  50. Dana. Iron-pumped karate soccer moms pack s punch.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  51. Equality means they have to win, dana?

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  52. Re: Matt Lauer: Robert Stacey Stacy McCain pointed out that the abruptness of his firing, after just one credible accusation, about which NBC heard only Monday evening — though they said that it was possible he had engaged in poor behavior previously, but there were no other complaints about him — leads him to suspect that this was something beyond John Conyers style groping. Could it have been an actual rape? How about child porn on his computer?

    The curious Dana (ecab7a)

  53. I think Atomic Blonde can take care of herself. Wonder Woman too.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  54. Well, Mr burn, if my wife decided to attack me — other than the way I like for her to attack me :) — unless she used a weapon, she really couldn’t hurt me.

    There are surely some women who could, the aforementioned Miss Rousey an obvious example. Doesn’t matter: real men do not hit women! That there is even any debate on that is appalling.

    The Dana standing in at 6'2 and 220 lb (ecab7a)

  55. Many people have a simple understanding of addiction. They think it only happens to dysfunctional people from dysfunctional families, or to hopeless people living in the street. But our addicted population is spread across every segment of society. Rich and poor; white and black; male and female; old and young.

    There are several gateways to opioid addiction. Some suffer a physical injury, and slowly develop a dependency on prescribed painkillers. Others self-medicate for mental ailments using whatever substance is available. Because the brain is so adaptable while it’s still developing, it’s highly susceptible to dependencies, even from non-opioids like today’s newly potent marijuana strains. We now understand that such early marijuana use not only inhibits brain development, it better prepares the brain to be receptive to opioids.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/11/an-epidemic-from-which-no-one-is-safe/546773/quote

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  56. If women want to be on pedestals, they should wear long skirts, or at least clean underwear.

    I agree that most of the time it is beneath a man’s dignity to hit a woman, but I do not want it as the legal standard in a criminal prosecution or a civil suit. If the ladies want to be treated like delicate snowflakes, they should behave like delicate snowflakes.

    nk (dbc370)

  57. Maybe you should amend that to read neither men nor women should strike one another.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  58. Mr burn asked:

    Equality means they have to win, dana?

    Gee, that’s dumb! When it comes to size and physical strength, women, in general, are not equal to men. Sorry if that offends your leftist sensibilities, but that is simply the truth.

    My 29-year-old daughter stands in at 5’9 and is strongly built, though certainly not fat. She is a sergeant in the United States Army, is tough as nails, and completes the Army physical at the male standards, yet I am easily twice as strong as she is.

    The Dana standing in at 6'2 and 220 lb (ecab7a)

  59. In cuba in the 40s, gangsterisn begAn in the university faculties, Fidel was the og regarding this, because the govt permitted autonomy.

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. Dana: a 95 pound 60 year old Asian, Master Tai Chi paralyzed me with a finger on my neck.

    I think your gender notions are dated.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  61. The speaker was charged with a misdemeanor breach of the peace, which seems reasonable. My guess is the charges will be dropped. If not, the activist who took his notes and provoked the incident should face the same charges.

    DRJ (15874d)

  62. Matt Lauer: Robert Stacey Stacy McCain pointed out that the abruptness of his firing, after just one credible accusation, about which NBC heard only Monday evening — though they said that it was possible he had engaged in poor behavior previously, but there were no other complaints about him — leads him to suspect that this was something beyond John Conyers style groping.

    I watched a bit of the Today opening and they said some thing along the lines of “this is the first complaint NBC has received but it has also indicated the incident was not isolated”.

    ++++

    “Gee, that’s dumb! When it comes to size and physical strength, women, in general, are not equal to men. Sorry if that offends your leftist sensibilities, but that is simply the truth.”

    You forgot to apply liberal logic. Such as when it was pointed out to Betty Friedan the reason so many females failed the physical part of the Fire Dept entrance exam was because they could not break down a door with an ax…..

    she replied “Then give them an electric ax!”

    harkin (bd8145)

  63. Your tolerance is high, they are full up on fainting couches. Ms allred any comment?

    narciso (d1f714)

  64. Women are becoming more and more empowered but with little experience handling that Power. Often they acquire male characteristics and that’s not always a good thing. They shouldn’t lose their feminine instincts in the process.

    But they are newbies

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  65. If women truly seek power they should accept the derogatories that come with it.

    They can’t have it both ways forever.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  66. The huntress’s rejoinder was on point last week.

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. she replied “Then give them an electric ax!”

    Similar to when that DI ordered you to find him a left-handed monkey wrench.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  68. Lauer, get thyself to OANN, you have a lot of the right kind of people happy at your demise. http://pagesix.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-allegedly-sexually-assaulted-female-staffer-during-olympics/

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  69. Heh. Technically he isn’t actually lying. He believes it with his black heart.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/new-reports-trump-not-a-liar-is-truly-delusional.html

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  70. The employee of rosencrantz who despised the Weinstein story last year, tell me more, kemosabe.

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. If Trump actually has the ability to convince himself of his own lies, it would suggest a possibility far more dangerous than even his critics have previously assumed. He might be in the grip of a mental-health issue, or at least one more serious than mere sociopathy. And the mutterings that he might need to be removed from office through the 25th Amendment could grow more serious than many of us have expected.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  72. 72, yeah that was cool, at least no former NBA/NFL legacies were dumb enough to make that mistake. Let me fix you up with my good friend Dana Loesch…

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  73. nk

    I believe he is a “twank” which is an over the hill “twink”

    Dana
    If a woman picked my pocket, I’d punch her and then take my wallet/passport back. If she was part of a gang of women who picked pockets, I’d punch them all if I had to. (Clearly you’ve never been jumped by a gang of Mexican girls with handbags full of rocks. They’ll beat the snot out of you and stomp you if you go down.. The best thing to do is quickly punch and shove your way to an exit and then use your speed. This may sound racist, but in a group of black girls, you may get caught from behind, so feel free to bounce the fast one off a light pole and resume running)

    steveg (e8c34d)

  74. Grabbing a woman from behind for stealing one’s notes is obviously not appropriate, but handwringing over the awfulness and invoking MLK, jr. is absolutely highlarious!

    Colonel Haiku (647002)

  75. “Real men do not hit women,

    Even in self-defense?”

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/29/2017 @ 7:15 am

    Rear Admiral, you’ve suffered one b*tchslap too many.

    Colonel Haiku (647002)

  76. Similar to when that DI ordered you to find him a left-handed monkey wrench.

    I admit it, I take way too much pride in my Snap-On insulated spin-tights!

    harkin (bd8145)

  77. Lucian Wintrich is a privileged white racist pig and deserves to be beaten by the comrades. He should be stripped of his property which he got by robbing people of color no doubt and sent to the nearest gulag. These radical rightists cannot be tolerated in a culture of diversity. The very idea that he had a right to his notes, his property or his person is an affront to the glorious state.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  78. And speaking of inappropriate, Rear Admiral would just turn the other cheek, teh cheeky monkey 🐒

    Colonel Haiku (647002)

  79. Comrade Hoagie… I admire teh cut of your kosovorotka!

    Colonel Haiku (647002)

  80. These capitalists should sell us teh rope we shall use to hang them with!

    “U.S. Third-Quarter Growth Revised to Three-Year High of 3.3%”

    Colonel Haiku (647002)

  81. Haiku may not be lying. He could be as delusional as Donald who believes the crap he dispenses.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  82. 23. shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/29/2017 @ 4:08 am

    Sort of like the Russians just paying the Clintons through a 3rd party bagman.

    But the problem is: <b For WHAT?

    The argument is made that Hillary Clinton had no power to approve it alone, and that there is no record of her issuing any instructions to anybody – no email to anybody in the State Department about this for instance. (that may not actually be true – it could be something could be found.)

    kishnevi says the Clintons were on retainer (in a general sort of way) and all this money didn’t have much to do with Uranium One.

    I said you could say maybe she was paid for NOT BLOCKING the approval, or for lobbying advice and inside information as to what to say and what not to say to gain approval.

    Hillary Clinton also makes he argument that Putin turned against her in 2011. I think this is a lie. Putin turned against her only after the Euromaidan Revolution (or Revolution of Dignity; Ukrainian: Революція гідності, Revoliutsiia hidnosti) in Ukraine in February, 2014 because he thought Victoria Nuland was one of her loyal women and was acting on her behalf.

    Sammy Finkelman (54fd00)

  83. Every Kansan knows what happened after Gov. Sam Brownback’s 2012 cuts did away with the state income tax for some 330,000 business owners. The governor kept insisting — and in fact, still does — that robust growth and woohoo, jobs galore would result. When that didn’t happen, elected officials kept having to dip into funds set aside for highways and schools just to balance the budget. Finally, this year, lawmakers overrode a Brownback veto and at last repealed the LLC tax break and raised income tax rates.

    Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article186974513.html#storylink=cpy

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  84. 17.

    Using violence, knocking a woman down, is an insane way to respond to something worth little, easily replaceable, probably just talking points he would happily post on the internet for all to see.

    There are two ways in which these notes could be of more than trivial value.

    1. He needed them right then, for his speech.

    2. He didn’t want them posted online somewhere with mocking commentary.

    This is more than just stealing flyers, and that’s not allowed either.

    And was it necessary that he knock the woman to the ground? Could he have gotten the paper back from the massive presence of others in the room, the video evidence of the theft, her easy identification, the presence of police, or was this a necessary act?

    I don’t know. Was the crowd hostile? Could she escape with the paper, or hand it over to someone else?

    Suppose the paper was lost… what would his damages be in civil court? A penny?

    That’s not a piece of paper. It’s a manuscript. That can have any value.

    It probably only had a use that day, though, for the remainder of his appearance, but he also had an interest in it not being stolen and misused by his enemies.

    There’s also the issue of intentional infliction of emotional distress here.

    Apparently Illinois law would allow him to use anything except what is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to get his paper back.

    Sammy Finkelman (54fd00)

  85. John Wayne is that you? Is this me?

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  86. You should stop biting teh pillow and get out more often, Rear Admiral!

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-29/u-s-third-quarter-growth-revised-up-to-3-3-three-year-high

    Colonel Haiku (647002)

  87. Enjoy the Republican twilight kernel popcorn. It’s always darkest before the down-side.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  88. Looks like Wintrich’s best bet is to identify as a woman.

    harkin (bd8145)

  89. Bravo to Lucian Wintrich! Given the hostile environment inflicted on him, given he was significantly out numbered, given his right to speak freely was arrogantly violated, given the so-called ‘security officers’ blatently refused to protect Wintrich’s rights, given the thief was making her getaway, given Wintrich was understandably angry, Wintrich acted rightly to chase down the theving skank and recover his notes.

    Wintrich would have been justified in using much greater force, however he displayed obvious masculine restraint dealing with a female sneak thief and should be recognized and commended for showing a level of tolerance in the face of organized intolerance that would never have been accorded to him.

    ropelight (7ba131)

  90. Just don’t tell the Blue Collar Trump Chumps.

    https://www.axios.com/mckinsey-automation-may-throw-800m-people-out-of-work-by-2030-2513416488.html

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  91. lol life comes at you fast

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  92. 98 was for Mr. harkin

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  93. Lucian Wintrich is that guy who got into a confrontation with Fox News Radio’s Jon Decker. Decker greeted Wintrich upon his first arrival in the WH Briefing Room with a loud declaration that at Gateway Pundit “They hate blacks, Jews, Hispanics…” Naturally, Wintrich took umbrage, and they got into a physical confrontation that was intense, but not that serious. Wintrich issued a tweet claiming he was “asualted” (sic) and subsequently promised to file some sort of complaint.

    Whether that ever happened, I don’t know, but I do know this: When I first heard of the incident, I went to his Twitter feed and found disgusting tweets talking about Decker’s presumed sexual orientation, topped off by a NSFW photoshopped pic. Wintrich deleted the tweet later, but not before I got a screencap.

    As a black man I get weary of other black men who complain about negative stereotypes at the same time they live down to them (hello, Jesse Jackson). Literate, clear-minded conservatives (like, say, Ben Shapiro) are sullied every time jackholes like Wintrich and Milo pretend the cause is more about hating the right people instead of having logical solutions.

    L.N. Smithee (a06ccc)

  94. 99 – appreciate it but I don’t do facebook.

    —-

    OMG they just ejected Garrison Keillor!

    How could that sexy voice ever fail to succeed????

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/11/29/garrison-keillor-fired-alleged-improper-behavior-minnesota-public-radio/905491001/

    These hypocrites getting exposed is so pure.

    harkin (bd8145)

  95. How about y’all ?

    May’s spokesman told a press briefing attended by Business Insider: “Britain first seeks to divide communities through their use of hateful narratives which peddle lies and stoke tensions. They cause anxiety to law abiding people.

    “British people overwhelmingly reject the prejudice of the far-right, which it is the antithesis of the values that this country represents: decency tolerance and respect. It is wrong for the President to have done this.”

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  96. Tuesday in WaPo: “Franken Should Not Resign” by Garrison Keillor

    16 hours later….BREAKING NEWS.

    So pure

    h/t RTB

    harkin (bd8145)

  97. David Duke after Trump tweets videos of Muslims attacking people: ‘That’s why we love him!’

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  98. David Duke of the famous Duke Bros.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  99. Liberal media committing hari kiri and all they got is David Duke smack?

    So….much….winning

    harkin (bd8145)

  100. Duke is like the white al green in more ways than one.

    Maggie may is just looking at a supermajority for wrong way corbyn

    narciso (c6ab85)

  101. Duke just represents White Nationalist wing of Rumpublican Party.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  102. “I am so in lust with you
    Whatever I want to do
    Better be alright with you

    Let me be teh one you go running from
    I swear to pull out before I come
    Baby, le.. eh… eh… et’s… let’s get together
    Humpin’ you whether… whether… teh sex is good or bad
    Happy or sad”

    —- Rep. Al Green (D)

    Colonel Haiku (647002)

  103. RearEnd Seaman Ben….
    Couldn’t the Kansas Legislature try cutting spending? If the Governor tried to cut taxes so that people and corporations could keep more of what they create or earn, and it actually happens, why can’t the state find a way to do with less? And, of course, the first solution the KLeg tries is to borrow from Citizen Peter to pay Citizen Paul. Pass the buck down the road.

    Oh, and those of us from Louisiana, liberal and conservative, know that when you apply the Duke Corollary to Godwin’s Law, you lost long before you even arrived…..

    reff (6ce267)

  104. Republican voter support for the House GOP tax plan eroded sharply in the past week, and ticked down among all voters, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult tracking poll.

    While Republicans still mostly back the plan, their support dropped to 59 percent from 66 percent based on what they generally know about it. GOP opposition grew to 12 percent from 9 percent, and the GOP undecided grew to 28 percent from 25 percent.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  105. A NUTS response is to allow other people to steal your stuff without making a reasonable effort on your own to retrieve it. This is how (rhymes with mucked) you have become. The contact involved was consistent with the effort necessary to retrieve what was stolen. There was no beat-down. There was no unreasonable behavior here unless you have become socialized to the idea that defending oneself and ones property is wrong. The argument that the notes were just paper is pathetic. More than likely true but there is no way to know that.

    So many lawyers here who can’t see this are the reason the law is losing respect. I don’t say this out of ignorance. I have currently been sucked into a legal dispute in my HOA, the genesis of which occurred 10 years ago. I didn’t live there then. It’s a long, bovine stuff story that has nothing to do with me except that I somehow, through no effort of my own, got elected president of my HOA so now I have to go to court over some petty bee ess that I had zero to do with. All because a bunch of lawyers have ginned up a petty dispute and milked it. For. Ten. Years. And you people have the nerve to find fault with this person for retrieving their real, personal property. You literally are an embarrassment to civilization.

    CFarleigh (5b282a)

  106. Repub Now that Republican voter support for the House GOP tax plan eroded sharply in the past week,

    Now that, deserves three Pinocchios. It’s mostly false. Going from 66% to 59% is not “eroded sharply.”

    Nevertheless, of course, support is declining. Just not precipitously.

    Sammy Finkelman (54fd00)

  107. harkin @104.

    Tuesday in WaPo: “Franken Should Not Resign” by Garrison Keillor

    Did that really happen?

    Yep.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/al-franken-should-resign-thats-absurd/2017/11/28/d33e2d8a-d482-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html

    Sammy Finkelman (54fd00)

  108. Everything’s going in the wrong threads.

    Sammy Finkelman (54fd00)

  109. @29 nk

    Twink, where is thy sting?

    Oh gay, where is thy victory?

    Pinandpuller (8f47ed)

  110. @37 Dana

    If you keep your notes on an iPad worth more than x, what is it in California now(?), she could be charged with a felony.

    That old man in Texas shot two guys stealing his neighbor’s tv while on the phone with 911 and the law didn’t inconvenience him in the slightest. There’s got to be some middle ground. Does Mexican law say finders keepers?

    Pinandpuller (8f47ed)

  111. @46 Dana

    I don’t agree with you on “you should never x” statements.

    Now if what you are saying is that you don’t punch a gal who is shrieking in your face I generally agree but I hold my hearing rather precious. There are varying degrees of force based around perceived and real threats of bodily harm etc.

    Now you used Ronda Rousy as an example and that’s exactly the woman you do want to strike with because she’s a judoka and you don’t want to end up on the ground with her. You might think you do, but you don’t.

    Just your average loudmouth violence threatening woman, I would go for a wrist lock first.

    Pinandpuller (8f47ed)

  112. Two road just diverged

    In the Wisha N**** Woods

    I will hold your jacket, Dana

    Pinandpuller (8f47ed)

  113. You know, I am completely flabbergasted that there are commenters here trying to oppose the idea that real men never hit women.

    The utterly amazed Dana (2973f2)

  114. I’ve said it before: I’m glad that I spent my career in an almost all-male environment where I had no opportunities for ‘inappropriate sexual behavior.’

    The too flirtatious Dana (2973f2)

  115. That’s because we’re not all under the thumb of the matriarchy. (And it’s not actually their thumb, IYKWIMAITYD.)

    nk (dbc370)

  116. Of course, had the person who swiped his notes been a man standing in at 6’6 and 245 lb, I’d guess that Mr Wintrich would have been somewhat less physical in his response.

    This is yet another crappy argument, typical of the lawyerly class. If the lecturer had been 6’6″, if the lecturer had been a woman, if the person stealing the notes had been a man and the lecturer had been a woman, if if if. I suppose anyone can guess anything in a hypothetical. I guess. Mr. Wintrich has just as much right to his property if it was taken by a child. The difference being the amount of force to retrieve the notes from a child would be miniscule. And hopefully, a parent would have been present thus making the situations completely different to yet a whole other degree. The force used was in line with the amount of resistance the thief put up. She could just as easily handed those notes back and not struggled to hold on to them. She is an adult. She is responsible for her behavior and the consequences. Not that it is completely relevant, but I see no indication that this woman was harmed in any way except possibly for her feelings. She should suffer embarrassment as well but modern society reserves that for the victim. Provided they’re “far-right” enough.

    CFarleigh (5b282a)

  117. Eowyn meets the Witch King of Angmar

    Pinandpuller (59a707)

  118. Also note, SHE created the situation. A lecturer should have some reasonable expectation that they will not be assaulted nor their property stolen when engaging in a discussion in a (supposedly) civil environment. This event occurred outside the norms of expected behavior. Do you lawyers not have terms or conditions for such? If someone punches me in the head while engaged in a game of football is that not different than when such is done when I am walking down a city street?

    CFarleigh (5b282a)

  119. The Deacon Jones Head Slap

    “Any time you go upside a man’s head, or a woman, they have a tendency to blink they eyes.”

    Up High Down Low Too Slow

    Pinandpuller (59a707)

  120. Do you lawyers not have terms or conditions for such? If someone punches me in the head while engaged in a game of football is that not different than when such is done when I am walking down a city street?
    CFarleigh (5b282a) — 11/29/2017 @ 12:15 pm

    There was a boxer who put concrete in his gloves. He could have been charged with AA I imagine.

    There’s also some old bit where the comic said a guy is sitting in jail watching a hockey game. “I got 90 days for the same thing that guy got two minutes in the penalty box.”

    Pinandpuller (59a707)

  121. There’s also some old bit where the comic said a guy is sitting in jail watching a hockey game. “I got 90 days for the same thing that guy got two minutes in the penalty box.”

    Exactly. Like Rodney Dangerfield, “Last night I went to a college lecture and a hockey game broke out”.

    CFarleigh (5b282a)

  122. shapiro says it was “NUTS” and you agree w/ him? That’s NUTS in itself.
    a beta male sickness (see Mike Dukakis rape response).

    jb (a3c1bc)

  123. RE; video embedded in this post:

    This media could not be played.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  124. I don’t really believe in always or never for the most part.

    Say a woman is beating the hell out of my wife. I’m going punch her, kick her, bite her or do what they do to get a pit bull to let go-which isn’t pleasant for either party.

    Pinandpuller (b83d6f)

  125. Is it me, or is the only kind of dog in non-coastal California a pit bull?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  126. he didn’t grab a fistful of hair and snap her head back not even a little

    i’ve watched the video like a thousand times

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  127. Dana
    then why do male cops hit women?
    There is a video out with a drunk female UMiami football fan gets removed from the stadium. She takes a drunk swipe/slap at a large cop and he drills her right in the head rather than step aside.
    The cop had every right to hit her, but he could also have just moved out of her reach.
    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/11/06/pba-defends-officer-um-fan-punched/

    steveg (e8c34d)

  128. Lots of crossbreeding urban. Plus they are ubiquitous. Even shelters default to pb out of habit. I have a Rhodesian ridgeback and a Staffordshire terrier that were called pitbull mix.

    Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  129. From story on Al Franken questioning HHS nominee Alex Azar:

    “Citing a National Institute of Medicine study, Franken asked leading questions, trying to pin the nominee down on free contraception.”

    Never argue women’s health with a senator who offers free breast exams.

    H/t TNI

    harkin (92ce59)

  130. Steve G:
    Do you also have special rules on Cubana/Sudamericana mami mob attacks? cant blame you if you do. Thats what I would call a “Betty Davis Eyes” video kind of slap.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  131. That’s called an Africanized Pit Bill. If you think you have one in your bathroom-shoot through the door.

    Pinandpuller (f1b445)

  132. Homeowners have the right not to retreat in their own home. Its a good rule and it makes sense.

    So why no similar rule for speakers exercising their First Amendment rights?

    I know, I know. Judges are terribly overloaded. Those 15th amended habeas writs because of improperly chilled wine. Deciding who enlists, who gets across the border, etc., because they were elected and know way better than a President.

    But maybe they could find a right of a speaker not to retreat when attacked, or hold that cowering is not the only route for an attacked speaker. Maybe its in a penumbra.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  133. I hate to cast aspersions on a Tai Chi master but I have my doubts

    Tai Chi vs MMA

    Pinandpuller (1d9c36)

  134. I do believe in pressure point strikes to the neck

    Maurice Smith

    Pinandpuller (1d9c36)

  135. in chicago you can just put the wine in a buckit or whatever and let the cold water run over it for 10 minutes or so

    maybe a lil less when you get further into winter

    it wasn’t like that in Los Angeles but here it’s a great way to do chills all up in your wine

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  136. Ice cubes are quicker and often improve the taste of marginal reds.

    ropelight (e06aeb)

  137. oh good tip

    those are the only kind i drink

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  138. So am I supposed to drink wine chilled now? I just got used to room temperature. It seems to keep longer just sitting on the counter or maybe I drink it quicker.

    Pinandpuller (1d9c36)

  139. you want it maybe 10 degrees below room temp Mr. puller

    that’s just a rough rule of thumbs

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  140. There’s a nice Toscana red wine that Aldi’s been stocking here lately. I think it might be barely double digits.

    Pinandpuller (1d9c36)

  141. i wish i had an aldi’s i could get to

    people speak so fondly of them

    happyfeet (28a91b)


  142. I just got used to room temperature

    “Room temperature” is a misnomer. The correct temp to serve red wine is really 62-68 degrees. I prefer them about 62. Room temp is considered 72 so that is way too warm. I usually take it down from the rack and chill it in the fridge for about a half hour before opening. Red is supposed to be cool to the palate not warm or cold like white.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  143. And you never, ever dilute it with an ice cube unless you’re from Arkansas.

    Rev.Hoagie (6bbda7)

  144. I find they are nothing special, the chain is from Germany.

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. yes yes they own the trader joe’s

    which i can get to downtown for this and that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  146. I regularly add a splash of water to marginal and already chilled reds, or ice cubes to room warm reds, or if available, a splash of cold white will also do the trick.

    I do it because it often improves the taste, and I fully understand those who drink premium wines who view my practices as barbaric. But, let them buy a few $3.00 ragged reds and see what they come up with to smooth out the corrugated slosh.

    ropelight (e06aeb)

  147. She’s a bad girl, loves Obama

    Hates Jesus, and America too

    She’s a bad girl, crazy ’bout Engels

    Loves horsekin, and her girlfriend too

    It’s a fair ways, from Northern Virginia

    There’s some crazies, running through the quad

    I’m a bad boy, with a sinister bow tie

    I’m a bad boy, for giving a speech

    Now she’s free, free fallin’

    (Free fallin’, she’s a free fallin’)

    Yeah she’s free, free fallin’

    (Free fallin’, she’s a free fallin’)

    Pinandpuller (e767d3)


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