BREAKING: The Clearest Indication Yet That Flynn Is Cooperating with Mueller
Is Mike Flynn cooperating with Special Counsel Robert Mueller in the Russia investigation? That is a distinct possibility today, given the news breaking in the New York Times this afternoon that Flynn’s lawyers are no longer sharing information with Donald Trump’s lawyers.
Lawyers for Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, notified the president’s legal team in recent days that they could no longer discuss the special counsel’s investigation, according to four people involved in the case, an indication that Mr. Flynn is cooperating with prosecutors or negotiating such a deal.
Mr. Flynn’s lawyers had been sharing information with Mr. Trump’s lawyers about the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is examining whether anyone around Mr. Trump was involved in Russian efforts to undermine Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.
That agreement has been terminated, the four people said. Defense lawyers frequently share information during investigations, but they must stop when doing so would pose a conflict of interest. It is unethical for lawyers to work together when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation.
This is not proof that Flynn is cooperating with Mueller. But it is not good news for the Trump administration on this Thanksgiving.
Its bad news only if Flynn has something to share.
I’m not sure that’s the case.
Flynn has issues going back to his time in the Obama Administration.
I’d guess Flynn was free-lancing whatever he was doing much more than he was working from any set of directives from the campaign.
And his motives are not to save himself — his motives right now are to save his son.
Unless he’s got a smoking gun or incriminating recordings, he’s going to get shredded under any type of competent cross-examination.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/23/2017 @ 2:52 pmSince trump didn’t collude with russia to alter the 2016 election this is BS! As for influencing an election if that was a crime boner and netanhayu would be in jail cells!
ever trump (e492ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 2:53 pmFlynn has issues with his involvement with a Turkey cleric. I think he pocketed $500 grand.
mg (60b0f7) — 11/23/2017 @ 3:17 pmDo we have an actual stAtement from his atty then its fake news, if this doesnt sound like Libby shamarama I’ll eat my capm
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 3:45 pmIt’s nice to know on this Thanksgiving Day our Captain is getting the bird.
Sorry, Sir, strawberries are off today. Try the pie.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/23/2017 @ 3:47 pmYou mean it’s bad news for Flynn if he has a problem.
Mike K (b3dd19) — 11/23/2017 @ 3:48 pmActual crimes need not be investigated
https://mobile.twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/933430020529201152
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 3:49 pmHe’s truly concerned with the fate of his son..a powerful pawn .
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 3:51 pmPopehat did an explainer on this:
Davethulhu (6a4a84) — 11/23/2017 @ 3:53 pmhttps://twitter.com/Popehat/status/933811885832413186
from the last few posts in the series:
Yeah, cuz not cooperating pays such dividends!!!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:07 pmI’m thinking Flynn has been cooperating since shortly after he pleaded the 5th in May(?). This is based solely on Kung Fu Muellers habit.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:17 pmThe habit of tight sphincters and no loose media bowels.
Working his Semper Fi magic.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:18 pmOh, I like squids too.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:20 pmIts a wonder how we have this fake news, while William Campbell’s testimony goes unaknowleged and collusion seems clear between fusion gps and certain journalists (wonder if there is a cinnevtion)
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:20 pmAnd yet still no interest in ‘wipe that secret server’/family trust influence peddling/uranium wholesaler Hillary.
harkin (a9a478) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:23 pmIt does make you wonder:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/933838807849345024?p=v
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:24 pmHes been on Russia watch since I was in middle school
https://mobile.twitter.com/JMichaelWaller/status/933607451718537216?p=v
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:31 pmTo those who lament the long arc in time for this investigation, it’s a wise move to move slowly to avoid a misfire. It’s just good forensics.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:37 pmYellowcakers can’t seem to shake Dem Uranium Blues…
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:41 pmSorry to be so negative but all this may happen on the fringe of Trump exonerating him on the ignorant dumbass provision of USC.341.64
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:44 pmSo this bogus story, that surfaced last week was actually about a Christian leader seeking a meeting with a Russian political figure, becayae of common cultural concerns where kushner was the middle man.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:46 pmMany Kingpins isolate themselves from the conspiracy, but Trump just isn’t that smart.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/23/2017 @ 4:54 pmIsn’t he the guy who was fired for lying?
Kevin M (752a26) — 11/23/2017 @ 6:21 pmEven if there was a Russian attempt to influence our elections, it’s simply the pigeons coming home to squat. As for Trump being involved, can you imagine ANYONE who would let Trump in on a secret if they didn’t have to?
Kevin M (752a26) — 11/23/2017 @ 6:26 pmPerhaps Team Trump is preparing to throw Flynn under the bus again.
kishnevi (6fbba2) — 11/23/2017 @ 6:26 pmMany Kingpins isolate themselves from the conspiracy, but Trump just isn’t that smart.
Yet to hear you tell it he masterminded an international conspiracy of many moving parts and kept it secret.
Just like Bush’s White House secretly destroyed the WTC, or Reagan masterminded the Iran-Contra affair.
As seen here: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/president-reagan-mastermind/n9509
Kevin M (752a26) — 11/23/2017 @ 6:30 pmAs for Trump being involved, can you imagine ANYONE who would let Trump in on a secret if they didn’t have to?
No. But that does not rule out someone wanting a “secret” to get out telling it to Trump. BTW, there is no need to assume the “secret” had any truth to it…only that someone wanted the rumor mill to start rolling.
kishnevi (6fbba2) — 11/23/2017 @ 6:31 pmOr they could just be making it up, but as with gabe Sherman’s fan fiction who knows
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 6:35 pmGreat sourcing.
BuDuh (fc15db) — 11/23/2017 @ 7:35 pmSo when did the attorneys last communicate, can haberman or one of her other associAtes this or is this as ephemeral as the comedy memos
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 8:31 pmAre we still holding out hope that Trump is a KGB spy or something? Move on.
jcurtis (2cec4f) — 11/23/2017 @ 8:41 pmMueller has to justify those expense reports, and puffing up foreign registration disclosures, like today’s McClatchy piece (a,lobbyist for russia actually visited russia a dozen shocker) won’t really cut it.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 8:49 pmA lefty complaining that the NYT is guilty of shoddy reporting
kishnevi (2dabdc) — 11/23/2017 @ 8:52 pmhttps://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/933903761050865665
He makes mensch seem sane
https://pjmedia.com/trending/burmese-beg-pope-not-word-muslims-please/amp/
He gets bad advice
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 8:53 pmOf course Mueller doesn’t seem interested in any of this:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/11/yes_fusion_gps_paid_off_journalists.html#.WhdN1e2I8mA.facebook
narciso (d1f714) — 11/23/2017 @ 9:11 pmObviously, Trump is a deep cover KGB asset, as was his father. We should give thanks to the likes of McConnell, Ryan, and Hillary for working so hard to save the republic and expose this. Honorable mention goes to the NeverTrump movement for soberly realizing that those in DC are working hard for the public good and deserve great respect for all they have done over the last few decades, and their current desire to return the GOP to its glory days of conservatism with the likes of the Bush and Romney families.
Donaldo (95053d) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:25 amDonaldo Duck…
mg (60b0f7) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:35 amo here’s Bob Mueller’s big, big problem.
Byron York, one of the best conservative reporters, has leaked a guvmint confession that, just as you thought, the FBI “was never able to verify” the infamous Moscow pee-pee report that triggered the totally phony campaign against Donald J. Trump. “The FBI was never able to verify” is an admission against interest, as they say in the legal game, meaning “Oops! The prosecution doesn’t have a case!” It is indeed a confession of criminal prosecutorial misconduct, and all the perverters of justice in the FBI and DOJ have violated their oath of office and must resign. Or go to prison. Or both.
mg (60b0f7) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:41 amRonaldo duck – boosh led thousands of Americans to their deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. And thousands more were injured severely. thanks so much.
mg (60b0f7) — 11/24/2017 @ 4:50 amhillary and her tandem boy toys mcdonnell and ryan have shown what side they are on.[Backside] thanks again. And the mahogany paneled wall crowd can’t handle the deplorable clingers of guns, bibles and the need for smaller govt as it cuts into their attorney privilege b.s. gracious. Donaldo, mittens gave us Jonathon Gruber. One could not make a worse hire for Americans than Gruber. thanks mittens.
“I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
Maybe its not obstruction if you say it out loud? If Mueller would have come across that Trump statement during his investigation, instead of a news report on the President’s Oval Office meeting with Russians, would he be in more trouble?
noel (b4d580) — 11/24/2017 @ 5:17 amThere is a certain genius to this method for Trump. He finds a supportive audience or some “fair and balanced” network and expresses his controversial views, especially on race issues, right out there in public. Boldly going where no man has gone before.
Then, he backs off a bit in the following days just enough to keep moderate folks from bolting. Pretty unorthodox but it seems to work for him. I call it the “reverse dog whistle”.
noel (b4d580) — 11/24/2017 @ 5:37 amPoor Donaldo was being sarcastic, mg.
Like this:
nk (dbc370) — 11/24/2017 @ 5:49 amnoel wrote: Boldly going where no man has gone before.
And I answer: Like Al Franken and Leeann Tweeden?
Your concern is deeply appreciated
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268487/trump-president-war-frontpagemagcom
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:12 amAs to failing to file registration paper work, that’s a process offense which is rarely applied because half of k street would be in jail
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:19 amEmbedded Administrative State will go to great lengths to maintain its position and power. It’s a crime, brother, if they say it’s a crime. They have always been at war with the citizenry.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:24 amOh, yeah If the feds didn’t get busted for screwing Ted Stevens or getting outsmarted in trying to frame Richard Jewell, there’s no confidence they aren’t screwing the pooch here.
Richard Aubrey (415087) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:31 amProbably won’t massacre four or five dozen of Flynn’s neighbors, though.
Remember who jewells persecutor was, Doug Jones (from bellboy) he also defended some Nazi nebbush, Arthur Jones,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:37 amI don’t think this is bad news for Trump. Flynn probably has other things to say. I don’t know how people can go on with this thing about collusion between Trump and Russia, when what you’ve clearly got in penetration and attempted penetration of of the Trump campaign by Russia.
Flynn may even have been recruited by the GRU back when he was head of the DIA. He spent a whole day at GRU headquarters in 2013.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/31/michael-flynn-new-evidence-spy-chiefs-had-concerns-about-russian-ties
Sammy Finkelman (762ee4) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:52 amIt would not to surprise to note i don’t believe her:
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:52 amhttp://freebeacon.com/issues/murkowski-says-supports-repealing-obamacare-individual-mandate
I don’t think that Trump tweet after Wikileaks asked his son to ask his father to tweet a link to their hacked files, is what they mean by collusion. Trump didn’t even include the link, I think I read, and the whole thing may be a coincidence. (it came only 15 minutes later.)
The latest (a week or so ago) I heard about Mike Flynn was that there had been some kind of a meeting with Turkish officials. No money changed hands, no contract was signed, and no decision was made, but they had been discussing or brainstorming the idea of kidnapping Fethulla Gulen.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/10/michael-flynn-trump-turkish-dissident-cleric-plot
And the hill reported that half a year ago.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/325698-flynn-discussed-how-to-whisk-away-cleric-wanted-by-turkey-report
Sammy Finkelman (762ee4) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:53 amAgain anonymous sources, now erdogans man in Washington is not flynn but Richard Armitage, yes the unindicted figure who leaked to Woodward and miller. Who was on the board of caci which along with titan ran the interrogators at Abe ghraib who was very well connected to the aliev clan in bake.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:00 amWhere’s the Amazon widget?
nk (dbc370) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:04 amArmitage lol.
Your new boogieman should be Rohrabacher.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:23 amDual Tyrants.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/24/trump-recep-tayyip-edogan-middle-east-259604
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:29 amWhat’s more, People magazine got Walters to repeat the story almost verbatim. Walters denied one key element of Kelley’s version to People–that Reagan forced his way into her apartment–but reaffirmed the rest. It sounds remarkably like Juanita Broaddrick’s story:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/1999/03/gipper_the_ripper.html
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:34 amThe truth is general flynn is being punished for having been right on Islamic state and al quedas expansion in the middle east, Africa, north and west, for adegending agent fritz against mccabe
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:40 amDefending, much like fr0itz and comedy sought vengeance against scooter Libby for the effrontery of an effective defense of marc rich, ironically his firm would later get the bulk of the risneft deal and his fellow marauders kurzin and chagoury would be allowed to loot Nigeria dry.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:43 amConsider this interesting snippet:
http;//streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=10754
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:46 amOr these details:
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:50 amhttps://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=10745
It was here yesterday, nk, but it’s gone again.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:51 amCould be some bad code,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:52 amIt’s gone from The Jury, too. He must have had to take it down.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:01 amThank you, DRJ. The daughter gave me her letter to Santa. No Black Friday stuff. If Patterico is going to bring the widget back, I’ll wait. It’s more upsetting that I can’t remember at what age we stopped peeking at her letter to Santa and told her we were Santa.
nk (dbc370) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:37 amI can’t wait to have a granddaughter to spoil. I want one just like your daughter. In the meantime, our children are grown and we give cash for birthdays and Christmas. It’s wonderful.
DRJ (0280d9) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:43 amHas anyone come-up with anything that looks like it might be a crime in all of this yet?
MJN1957 (6f981a) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:44 amLike richileiu said about treason:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/11/lois-lerner-wants-her-lawsuit-testimony-permanently-sealed/
Its not a crime if its not pursurd
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:45 amAtrocities boggle the mind:
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/mosque-bombing-sinai-leaves-180-dead-egyptian-president-declares-3-days-mourning/?singlepage=true
But lets focus on first world problems
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:49 amMueller has indicted three people, MJN. An indictment isn’t a conviction and they are innocent unless they are convicted, but it does allege criminal violations.
DRJ (0280d9) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:51 amThe left hand diddlin’ while teh right hand go to work…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/conservatives-have-a-breathtaking-plan-for-trump-to-pack-the-courts/2017/11/21/b7ce90d4-ce43-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:59 amDRJ,
You forgot about the ham sandwich.
NJRob (a06222) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:10 amGrand jury hamsan indictments work for all sides you crybaby.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:17 am62. DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:01 am
Maybe amazon just doesn’t like him advertising to people that if they want to buy on Amazon anyway, they should first go here; or maybe somebody used a shortcut and they can tell. Or maybe this is just suspicion on the part of Amazon. I wonder if anything bought in the last days or week counted.
Sammy Finkelman (762ee4) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:18 amIf you are a president or governor who believes that government doesn’t work, you staff your administration with people who don’t want government to work, and your belief becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. This didn’t begin with Donald Trump and won’t end with Donald Trump.
https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2017/11/24/how-the-trump-administration-governs/#more-78270
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:24 amSomething’s are so obvious been fathead Friedman can’t ignore them, mind you he got his signature story in Beirut wrong in 1982, which set the frame for subsequent events
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:26 amYawn.
NJRob (a06222) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:27 amWhine..
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:28 amOr maybe someone has a grudge against him and is using Amazon to get even, Sammy.
NJRob, grand juries only hear one side — which is why an indictment alone isn’t evidence of guilt — but there are allegations of illegal conduct against three people.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:32 amMueller weissman and rosentein at best didn’t follow up William camobelks finding before the rosatom deal went through, that’s the mist charitable interpretation on things
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:33 amCampbell’s findings re tenet/translogistics but as Raymond donovan ‘where does one go to get their reputation back’ what is a defense against malicious lawfare.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:39 amDRJ…and please indicate which one of those indictments relates to a crime even vaguely related to “Russian Interference” in our national election?
I get, as you likely do, that very few people can survive a deep-dive into their personal affairs un-indicted if a prosecutor was so inclined. I likely couldn’t…and other than knowing DJT, where is the nexus to the original thought crime of “Russian Interference” in those indictments?
MJN1957 (6f981a) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:41 amTherein lies the question, scaluas dissent in Morrison was so on point, clarice discovered the truth about that 40 some years ago.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:49 amHeh. Nixon wasn’t impeached for burglary.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:49 amClarice Feldman hasn’t discovered her butt yet.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:50 amThe one with George PApadoupolous.
Manafort also, if it should turn out that Russia had something to do with him getting his job in the Trump campaign.
But this is not collusion with Russia, by Trump. It is penetration and planting agents of Russia in the Trump campaign. Almost the opposite of Trump himself being a conscious agent of the Russian conspiracy.
Everything shows that they were trying to plant people there in his campaign, and tried to increase contacts.
For the hacking, there would have been no reason to involve Trump. The Steele dossier claimed that the Russian government and the Trump campaign split the costs for the hacking. Not very believable.
Sammy Finkelman (762ee4) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:50 amIs Clarice one of the US Jews Netanyahoo had to defend in Israel?
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:53 amIsrael is calling all to Israel for suppirt. Clarice? Give up that Georgetown palace for a kibbutz?
Lol.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:55 amNo more duck confit for you, Clarice. Just Gefilte fish from now on.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:57 amHere come teh Jooo hatred…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:58 amNot much surface scratching required with beenburned.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:59 amWell I do hate Gefilte fish..
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:00 amYes its like strangeloves salute, she discovered when she was at the osi how certain official fudged who they admitted under the lodge act.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:00 amIt goes with your Moooooslim hatred kernel popcorn
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:01 amCompetence is something that only inadvertently occurs
https://mobile.twitter.com/ClimateAudit?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:02 am“Do not be deceived: Leftism is an enigma. We need a theorem that explains not one or two aspects of Leftism, but all their traits.
The theory must explain, first, the honest decency of the modern liberals combined with their astonishing indifference, nay, hostility to facts, common sense, and evidence; second, it must explain their high self-esteem (or, to be blunt, their pathological narcissism) combined not merely with an utter lack of accomplishment, but with their utter devotion to destructiveness, a yearning to ruin everything they touch; third, it must explain their sanctimoniousness combined with their applause, praise, support, and tireless efforts to spread all perversions (especially sexual), moral decay, vulgarity, and every form of desecration; fourth, their pretense of intellectual superiority combined with their notorious mental fecklessness; fifth, it must explain both their violence and their pacifism; sixth, the theory must explain why they hate the very things they should love most; seventh, the theory must explain why they are incapable of comprehending an honest disagreement or any honorable foe.
And, while we are at it, if we could also explain why the Rich, who are routinely vilified by the Left number among its most ardent supporters, or the secular Jews, our theory would be very potent in its explanatory power.”
http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/03/the-unified-field-theory-of-madness/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:05 amHoyt for teh Win…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:06 amYes, yes. Orthodox Judaism good…secular bad.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:07 amGod Bless the IDF
mg (60b0f7) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:08 amMJN, as my earlier link said:
However, my link also notes that the third defendant, Papadopoulos, has already plead guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with foreigners who have tied to Russian officials. An indictment is not evidence of guilt but a guilty plea most certainly is, and his plea involves false statements regarding the timeline of contacts with apparent agents of Russian officials.
In addition:
The White House reportedly was relieved it was Manafort who was inficted, not Flynn. That’s why Flynn’s apparent cooperation with Mueller may be a troubling signal for Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:08 amIndicted, not inficted.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:09 amOrthodox are as dangerous as Jihadis. They’re just more subtle. Imagine your family having a funeral for you while you are alive and healthy.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:09 amcomrade ben burnee bro came to round up the jews
mg (60b0f7) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:12 amLol. But she still supports Trump.
http://www.newsweek.com/juanita-broaddrick-says-its-not-too-late-believe-her-rape-accusations-against-720262
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:12 amFor behavior that happened before 2014 when the peregrushka was state policy, why haven’t pidesta and weber been indicted, they did the actual work, of lobbying congressmembers.
This country was built on orthodox believers Christians as well as Jews, as much as the entrepreneurial class
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:14 amWas that written by Sarah Hoyt or John C. Wright?
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:14 amThe latter, this was her contribution: http://scifiwright.com/2014/03/mrs-hoyt-and-miss-mugwump
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:19 amWhoever wrote the essay at your link, I think the motives the author ascribes to evil intentions could just as easily be the result of the Montessori teaching method where participants are taught results matter more than method, facts are sometimes disposable or at least expendable, and you should only know what your “teachers” guide you to know. It’s the secular/professional approach to life that Democrats have embraced for decades.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:21 amI thought the Hoyt article was the post prior to the one Haiku linked, appearing at a website that belongs to John C. Wright.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:23 amIt’s the secular/professional approach to life that Democrats have embraced for decades.
Maybe in public schools where reinventing the 3rs led to new math idiocy. But Montessori is less tool oriented on methods. It’s common sense applied.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:25 amhttp://victorygirlsblog.com/a-new-girl-scouts-ruckus-people-react-to-message-parents-shouldnt-force-daughters-to-give-hugs-during-holidays/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:25 amEven what were once benign, “helping young ones choose the right path” organizations have been infected with the sickness of progressivism…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:29 amI’m aware. As is Scooter Libby.
NJRob (a06222) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:30 am94. This all boils down to getting facts from authority (I mean the kind of facts not usually associated with religion) and not the usual way.
They are not hostile to facts – they are hostile to alternative sources of facts other than what has passed through academia, or some other intellectual environment, and rely on the wrong sources of authority. Who is an authority is very much a networking effect.
People get authority by knowing things that other people do not. Now if you assert something that isn’t true, or that contradicts earlier sources of authority, at first you will be the only one to say it, and can gain reputation. This happened mostly in 1870-1930 period. Most academic disciplines date to that period. Later on they locked things down so that the same thing doesn’t happen to you. Rebellion or rejection was permitted only against the old sources of authority.. It worked by networking.
You can tell when someone is making an argument from authority when they invole “science.” Karl Marx did that and a lot of people have done that since. You don’t need t invole “science” to justify your formulation of the law of gravity.
Science is nothing but organized groupthink, and is no good. The premise is that there is only one thing that everybody must agree on.
Things that are not true take more education to learn, and so they have a feeling of superiority because they know or are familiar with a lot of things.
They don’t have a feeling of accomplishment, but people who run things boast of the value of what they did or helped by how much it costs, or maybe by who endorsed it.
Violence and pacifism may contradict each other, but they are both departures from the mid-19th century conventional wisdom, and are not held by the same people. Sometimes the violence and the pacidism are applied to different causes. It can get very particular.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:45 amYou think it’s common sense and so you see it as goid, but my common sense says it doesn’t work at all.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:51 amGood, not goid.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:52 amI routinely use joint defense agreements in multiparty civil litigation. Sometimes they’re one-sentence email exchanges between lawyers. In one multi-party situation — involving between 30-40 corporate defendants in two partially overlapping lawsuits involving the DoJ and a like number of state attorneys-general on the other side — we literally spent a full business week of day-long meetings negotiating the details of what became a thirty-page joint defense agreement (not counting exhibits and appendices).
It’s very hard to get forward-looking injunctive relief — a court order compelling someone’s future behavior or non-behavior — for violation of contractual agreements, and it would likewise be very hard to get money damages for someone’s violation of a joint defense agreement.
But a lawyer who’s knowingly and intentionally done something clearly unethical — like deceiving a colleague with whom he’d made a written agreement of cooperation, whose terms required each cooperator to advise the others immediately upon dropping out of the cooperation (including due to a newly minted or changed conflict of interest) — can lose his or her license, and more easily than that, his or her professional reputation. If our clients have contractually promised each other to maintain the continuing confidentiality of our joint communications on issues within our common areas of interest in the litigation, and as part of that, to specifically give advance notice before dropping out of the agreement, then that becomes a sort of transponder through which similarly situated defendants can confirm that for the moment anyway, everyone still seems to be (roughly speaking) “on the same side.” Helping a client break that contractual promise in order to deceive the other contracting clients would be ethically improper for the lawyer, akin to giving legal advice for purposes of committing a crime successfully.
It’s an uncertain sanction, depending as it does on the self-enforcement of legal ethics rules that are often hard to interpret and harder to enforce. But nevertheless, in the real world in at least some circles and circumstances, a joint defense agreement does function as a way for litigants who share some common interests to structure the terms upon which they cooperate with respect to those common interests.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:52 amCan potential criminal defendants enter into joint defense agreements?
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:56 amReport: Saudi Crown Prince will ‘crush’ Hezbollah with Israel
In the Daily Mail. It seems to slightly contradict itself. It says King Salman will officially declare his son King next week, but tehn says he will be like the Queen of ENgland, which would mean hs son will be de facto king but he will retain the title. That asrt is maybe not so unlikely.
The further part is that he wants Israel to go to war with Hezbollah. He told all Saudis to evacuate lebanon. That is not going to happen unless Israel can’t avoid it. Israel is more likely to attack in Syria, but what it will attack (in discrete attacks, usually by airplanes) is mobilization or the entry of important new weapons into the theater near Israel. If done early enough, they probably think that can avoid an all-out war. They’re just going to attack attempts to build up and meanwhile or before try to head it off diplomatically.
Hariri has returned to lebanon, with the backing of France, now, instead of saudi Arabia, and is trying to assert a little bit more authority than before..
Theer have been thinbgs printed in various Gulf papers about the idea of normalization of relations with Israek.
Meanwhile bith Saudi Araboia and the Houthi are targeting hospitals in Yemen.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:01 am@82 ABB
Nixon wasn’t impeached at all. Not sure what your point is, as always.
Pinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:05 amYup, such is my understanding, DRJ. The concept originated among criminal defense lawyers, though, and then spread to civil litigation contexts.
The Texas Supreme Court wrote a really good opinion about the public policy justifications supporting this privilege a few years ago in a case called In re XL Specialty Ins. Co. (Tex. 2012), discussing attorney-client privilege in joint client situations, joint defense agreements among multiple co-defendants, and even broader “common interest” privileges (which don’t necessarily even require on-going or threatened litigation).
But you’ve got to tailor your agreement to the different situations that exist in criminal and civil contexts. And sometimes those overlap, as is common in fraud cases that spawn both civil and criminal charges.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:08 amABB
I don’t think Orthodox Jews will run you over or gun you down on Shabbat or Rosh Hashana .
Pinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:10 am115.
What’s supposed to have happened is that Mike Flynn’s lawyers have terminated their joint defense agreement (in criminal matters. though. with Donald Trump’s lawyers and that is the source of all of this speculation.
It means Mike Flynn is probably planning to plead guilty to something and all these people think, or somebody is spinning this to mean, that that means he has something bad or incriminating to say about Trump.
It’s trum who wanted him, montsh ago, to be given immunity so he could testify. Trump’s not been afraid of what Flynn could say about him unless that’s a big bluff. He thinks Flynn testifying truthfully could clear him of colluding in anything criminal.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:10 amIn a serious fight over claiming and exploding privileges, where litigants (criminal or civil) have been obliged to create a privilege log as part of an an attempted assertion of privilege, these joint defense agreements themselves are discoverable. The week-long conference I described above was an attempt for a bunch of codefendants to impose self-discipline upon the group to limit, without eliminating, the participants’ respective abilities to drop out and go their own separate ways (being excluded from further participation in the group) — especially without notice to the others who are still in the group. The plaintiff/prosecution is always going to have the divide and conquer incentive, and a big group of defendants is going to recognize that one or more of them might indeed take a deal as part of which they’ll be required to blab cooperatively. But with a good joint defense agreement in place, that should be announced by a quiet communication to the remaining group that henceforward, they ought not count on the settling defendant to keep to the joint defense agreement, including (especially) its confidentiality provisions that are intended to avoid unknowing waivers of anyone’s potential privileges of any sort.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:14 am120. Pinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:10 am
Only, at worst, throw stones, although that probably violates Shabbos, not to mention other halachah. This happens mmostly only in Jerusalem or maybe Beth Shemesh. (the people who do this pronounce it mostly as Shabbos)
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Haredim-throw-stones-at-buses-in-Beit-Shemesh
They’ve gone off the derech.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:14 amNo sammeh is what is observable and able to be reproduced under laboratory conditions. Yikes.
narciso (9f4736) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:17 amRemember Jason Leopold and crogmarching Cheney, yes it’s that level of authenticity.
narciso (9f4736) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:23 amJohn Singleton has a controversial movie coming out called Shabbas Goys in the Ghetto.
It’s loosely based on an Amish drive-by shooting joke.
Pinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:47 am124. narciso (9f4736) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:17 am
First of all, that’s an important limitation tgaht opevents you from making sattements about many thinsg. Second, they ignore it. (e.g. climate “Science.” Third, usually nopbdy othes to repoiduce what can come up is attemopting to build upon it. Fourth, the catch is “peer review” and taht can be controlled to suppress anything that disproves what is being said.
There are numerous instances of dogma staying the same for 30 or 40 years or longer even though it was wrong.
For years, it was asserted taht hman beings have 24 pairs of chromosomes, and pictures were primted declaring theer to be 24 pairs (48 chromsomes) even though if you looked at the picture and counted there’d be only 23 pairs. All sortsfo dogma in medical science stayed for years. If everybody ddin’t have to agree, progress would be much faster.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:50 amYou know, if you have a legume allergy peanuts are just as dangerous as grizzly bears.
Pinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:52 amNo sammeh that is Vulcan dna.
narciso (9f4736) — 11/24/2017 @ 11:59 amSammy
Didn’t you say “Dov” was Hebrew for bear? I think ABB must be making a joke. Like dov[s] and doves are equally as dangerous.
I mean, in theory, yes. A dove might push you off a sacred Temple Mount but a dov will kill 42 kids for mocking a prophet.
Pinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 12:00 pmSammy
The Law and Order schtick is “Torn from Today’s Headlines.” An orthodox dov killing 42 kids is a story at least 2,600 years old. Jihadi doves killing hundred is yesterday.
Another way to say it is Orthodox have killed their hundreds, Jihadis have killed their hundreds of thousands. Obviously men after Allah’s own heart. Which is not YHWH. Never was never will be.
Pinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 12:10 pmDaddy, what’s moral equivalency?
Well son, that’s when a guy named Ben hates faithful Jews and Christians more than he hates faithful Muslims.
Pinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 12:13 pmYes you notice ‘torn from the headlines’ means the endings are all mcguffin.
narciso (6e50d9) — 11/24/2017 @ 12:27 pm@82 ABB
Nixon wasn’t impeached at all. Not sure what your point is, as always.
Whatever layer of bulloney you prefer.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 12:29 pmYes he was not removed from office, but forced out for practices that had been coin of the realm for the previous quarter century, this is why I entertain the watchmen alt history (illustrations by the same fellow as give me liberty
narciso (6e50d9) — 11/24/2017 @ 12:44 pmPin scribbling If you mean bologna, you spelled it wrong
Thank you Watchman.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:11 pmIf you’ve read James hougans spooks he’ll apprise of this context, of course there wee private contractors like Howard Hughes that oerfirmed govt duties.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:30 pmOh they omitted 112 trasactiond, awkward:
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:35 pmhttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/24/fusion-gps-russian-dossier-firm-paid-journalists-w/
Infer- legal meaning-i got nothing.
mg (60b0f7) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:44 pmIt is getting old watching mueller finance his next oceanfront purchase.
That’s a scurrilous thing to say about another Republican mg. Shame!
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:49 pmGenuine Patriots doing the Gubmints job.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/we-found-45-suspected-bot-accounts-sharing-pro-trump-pro?utm_term=.vbXeeJAyZ#.mizxxpXGK
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 2:31 pm@108. Maybe in public schools where reinventing the 3rs led to new math idiocy.
… only a child can do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=samZhaDravI
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/24/2017 @ 2:34 pmDC
Worse than was the war on literacy. When I asked my son’s 3rd grade teacher why he could read but not spell…
We don’t concern ourselves with spelling because of Spellcheck
Verbatim and unabashed.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 2:44 pmMoore stumpers make war on Thanksgiving.
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/11/thanksgiving_night_fight_at_ri.html
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 2:53 pm@143– when the niece and nephew were going through grace school, those TI pocket calculators weren’t particularly welcomed in classrooms either.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/24/2017 @ 3:01 pm^ grace = grade
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/24/2017 @ 3:02 pmI’m guessing they are more Jones folk. Just saying.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 3:22 pmthe result of the Montessori teaching method where participants are taught results matter more than method, facts are sometimes disposable or at least expendable, and you should only know what your “teachers” guide you to know. It’s the secular/professional approach to life that Democrats have embraced for decades.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:21 am
It sounds like a not fully informed jury.
Pinandpuller (38eb0f) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:29 pmIt’s more like the dc jury that convicted Ted Stevens, complete with an alternate in full federation uniform.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 6:49 pmAnd that wasn’t nearly the strangest thing going on in that trial.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:00 pmIt’s funny how some stories just dissapear:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Imperator_Rex3/status/934212970162274304
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:11 pmMaybe it occurred in a mirror universe:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/justice-league-is-crashing-and-burning.-will-anyone-survive/article/2010576
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 7:30 pmOnly, at worst, throw stones, although that probably violates Shabbos, not to mention other halachah. This happens mmostly only in Jerusalem or maybe Beth Shemesh.
So they are basically Irishmen?
I Threw a Brick Through a Window U2
Pinandpuller (38eb0f) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:12 pmPin scribbling If you mean bologna, you spelled it wrong
Thank you Watchman.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 1:11 pm
I don’t like it no matter how you spell it. But I’m always down for fun’splaining.
Pinandpuller (38eb0f) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:19 pmIt referred to Alan Moore, the in iterate leftist anarchist and his version of a dystopia, a bunch of super heroes won the Vietnam war. (Well mostly the creepy Dr. Manhattan) so president for life Nixon bans them, or something.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:26 pmWorse than was the war on literacy. When I asked my son’s 3rd grade teacher why he could read but not spell…
We don’t concern ourselves with spelling because of Spellcheck
Verbatim and unabashed.
Admiral Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/24/2017 @ 2:44 pm
With an admiral for a daddy he could still be one of the worst pilots and senators of all time.
Pinandpuller (38eb0f) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:27 pmOf course the question of whybthe soviet’s would continue the armsrace if we had a nearly omnipotent superbeing on our side was left unstated78
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:41 pmThat’s probably my least favorite Patrick Wilson movie. You know, he and Scott Foley married sisters. SF wrote and directed a movie with all of them called Let’s Kill Ward’s Wife if you like black comedy. There are actually three sisters, all married to actors, all in that movie.
Pinandpuller (38eb0f) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:49 pmReally worse than the a team, he got very strange after news radio ended. Thorn is did Joe organ.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:52 pmSo did Joe rogan, foley did have an amusing cameo in justified.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 8:59 pmOh the follwup to watchmen, is even less subtle otf that were possible.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:24 pmThere was a followup to Watchmen?
NJRob (b00189) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:25 pmAt least one prequel, but this new one countdown came out on Wednesday
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:27 pmSorry doomsday click ser in 1992. But very historical.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/24/2017 @ 9:34 pmAhh, thought you meant Alan Moore wrote a follow up.
I have no interest in reading another SJW’s interpretation that’s even more anti-American and left wing than the original source material.
NJRob (a06222) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:03 pmI’ve had my present cable for about seven years, and just last week discovered that my package included all the HBO channels. Since then, I’ve watched almost two hours of it.
nk (dbc370) — 11/24/2017 @ 10:15 pmThere are two Patrick Wilson movies that somewhat relate to current events: Hard Candy and Barry Munday. Both worth seeing I think.
Pinandpuller (38eb0f) — 11/25/2017 @ 12:40 am3. mg (60b0f7) — 11/23/2017 @ 3:17 pm
No, he was involved with a Turkish publisher, who also was a big contributor to Erdogan, the Turkish head of government who recently rewrote the Turkish constitution and since an attempted coup has arrested large numbers of people (it’s even affecting people who work for thee U.S. embassy) He’s turning into a near dictator and almost ally of Russia.
Erdogan was term limited I think as Prime Minister and became president and now president is the most powerful office. Flynn thought that since he was being paid by the publisher, he didn’t have to register as a foreign agent although what he was lobbying for were not things of concern to the business but rather were of concern to the Turkish government.
The cleric is Fethulla Gulen, age 75, who went into voluntary exile in Pennsylvania some year ago. he founded a movement,, part of which was to infiltrate institutions of government and other institutions. Erdogan’s party used to be allied with him. Later they broke. Ergodan blames him for the coup attempt, possibly honestly, more likely dishonestly. Gulen came out against the coup and has also been against violence. The position of the United States government is it up to the courts and they need some proof in order to extradite him.
Sammy Finkelman (762ee4) — 11/25/2017 @ 8:53 pmPinandpuller (3e38b3) — 11/24/2017 @ 12:00 pm
Yes. The “v” is a letter that can be pronounced ‘b” or “v” in different circumstances. It is the second letter of the alphabet. That ‘v” is different from the “v” of David, whch was probably originally pronounced like a “w” (and the Yemenite Jews did that I think when they lived in Yemen.) Tat accounts maybe for how the vav became used as vowel. Dovid might derive from a meaning meaning beloved, which also somehow became a word for uncle.
Well here what we have is a multi-lingual pun.
Talking about the Temple Mount, the terrorist group which just massacred some 300 people in a Sufi mosque in the Sinai peninsula desert is named after the Temple (the Hebrew words Beis Ha-Mikdash in Arabic. It may be a term previously used by Moslems) They changed their name to ISIS, and then changed it back when ISIS didn’t want to be associated with them because they weren’t ready to do things against Israel. Israel. (but they flew the ISIS flag) Israel also built a wall along the Egyptian border. They used to get some help from Hamas, maybe not any more, or it’s more secret.
Sammy Finkelman (762ee4) — 11/25/2017 @ 9:15 pmInteresting …
LATimes:
As he investigates Trump’s aides, Robert Mueller’s record shows surprising flaws
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-mueller-record-20171122-story.html
Newsweek:
Robert Mueller Is a Hot Head Who Can’t Own Up to His Mistakes, Former Aides Say
http://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-aides-criticize-722670
This can’t be good.
Neo (d1c681) — 11/27/2017 @ 6:11 amActually his flaws were even greater:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/05/the-wrong-man/308019/
All too willing to be driven to an erroneous indictment
narciso (d1f714) — 11/27/2017 @ 6:28 amU.S. Senator Al Franken – that poor excuse for/example of manhood – says he can’t remember if he’d ever inappropriately grabbed a woman’s ass or anything else because he’s taken literally thousands of photos in chaotic scenes.
Colonel Haiku (647002) — 11/27/2017 @ 6:42 amFlynn’s lawyer confirmed he is not talking to Trump’s lawyers but so far only anonymous souyrces say he is talking to prosecutors, which he probably is.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/28/2017 @ 10:31 am