Patterico's Pontifications

11/20/2017

Al Frankenstien, Serial Groper

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:58 am

Details here. For extra partisan points, treat these allegations in a completely different manner from the way you treated those against Roy Moore. Hint: lame, easily refuted distinctions are the best way to paper over your tribalist double standard.

UPDATE: Link fixed. There is a new accuser.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

188 Responses to “Al Frankenstien, Serial Groper”

  1. Do you finally have pictures of Moore or am I supposed to take Gloria Allred’s word for it?

    jcurtis (4d8668)

  2. This kind of thing is always wrong. Always.

    Defending it is sick.

    And that goes for both sides of the aisle.

    Tar. Feathers.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  3. Getting a 404 on the link.

    Tillman (a95660)

  4. Not all crimes are equivalent.
    Not all nasty behavior towards a woman is the same.
    Not all harassment is the same.

    I was willing to consider the idea that the picture showed a nasty joke intended to embarrass her and was equivalent to drawing a penis on your buddies face when they’re drunk. Not at all becoming of a US Senator, but maybe not sexual assault.

    Now I’m out. There will be others. He needs to step down.

    Joe (46cc0f)

  5. @JCurtis
    You’re supposed to take the word of the many accusers that have come forward. But you won’t. Because you’re a crappy person who will overlook this behavior when acknowledging it would harm your tribe.

    Joe (46cc0f)

  6. Parable of Talents is golden on this point.

    Hypocrites gottahyp

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  7. Link fixed.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  8. Do you finally have pictures of Moore or am I supposed to take Gloria Allred’s word for it?

    This is a new allegation and the picture does not show it.

    That’s why I put “serial” in the headline.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  9. I have a feeling Pat is taking well deserved liberty Thanksgiving week.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  10. UPDATE: Link fixed. There is a new accuser.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  11. Well, there is one difference: Franken’s behavior is more current, and this new allegation suggests that it is a continuing one. All of Moore’s accusers refer to times long past where Moore has no way of offering any positive defense.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  12. Anyone who hires Gloria Allred is de facto guilty.

    Ingot9455 (681849)

  13. Yes, the link is finally fixed.

    The Gloria Allred connected allegation, which is the most serious one of them all has a very serious problem.

    Roy Moore was not the District Attorney of Etowah County!

    And Gloria Allred seems to have taken some pains to prevent reporters from immediately determining that fact.

    Sammy Finkelman (f07364)

  14. There’s lots of reasons Franken should not be in the Senate. This is the least of them. It’s really a personal matter between him, the lady and her husband, and of trivial importance to the rest of us.

    nk (dbc370)

  15. An analogy:

    Let’s say that all these accusations are true. Then Moore is like the drunk who sobered up and has stayed sober for the last 40 years, while Franken is still drinking but now that the SHTF he’s fixing to get ready to maybe looking into rehab. Which one would you bet on being sober tomorrow?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  16. Roy Moore’s an innocent man he just got a bunch of deceitful honey boo boos doing lies on him

    Al Franken’s mostly guilty of being a douchebag but he did two things what are kinda rude

    number one he allegedly did a man kiss on some model chick when they were doing USO shows (forceful tongue action)

    number two he maybe grabbed a buttock at the state fair while taking pictures, which is kinda weird

    i think number two is the most serious allegation cause of it happened when he was a senator plus it suggests he’s a very unserious person (juvenile and grabby)

    there’s no way to know if it’s true but the chick what got her buttock touched on apparently told her facebook friends about it in the comments where she posted the pic, which i think was the same day it happened

    this is very remarkable because failmerican womens typically wait years or even decades before mentioning these type of incidents

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. Lot’s of chicken ****in’ goin’ on heyah…

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  18. Can anyone buy the idea it was funny?

    I suppose anyone who still watches SNL.

    https://thezreview.com/2017/11/16/really-al-franken-thought-groping-funny/

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  19. Glen Thrush, groper. Who woulda thunk it?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  20. Henceforth, in honor of the state’s flagship university, this turd of a Junior Senator shall be known as the “Golden Groper.”

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  21. Teh Bearded Clam.

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  22. I’s sorry that I felt your bum
    I blames it on teh Demon Rum

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  23. So nice I said it twice.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  24. Franken’s behavior was terrible.

    Moore’s was worse because it involved *underage girls*.

    I don’t see that as a lame, easily refuted distinction; I see it as the crux of the matter.

    Sexual harassment is bad. Sexual harassment of people too young to consent is *awful*.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  25. “Moore’s was worse because it allegedly involved *underage girls*.”

    FIFY

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  26. Mr. Moore didn’t do anything on any underage girls this is all a lie done on him cause of politics

    i believe in his innocence not least because the accusers are disreputable and skeevy, but also cause their stories just don’t pass the smell test (Mr. Finkelman and Mr. 57 both have a good handle on this aspect)

    and my skepticism is compounded both by the unlikely timing of this smear campaign as well as the too coordinated stampede effect what sleazy Mitt Romney and cowardly war hero John McCain tried so hard to affect

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. You used effect and affect backwards.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. ugh this is not my day Mr. nk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  29. The linked CNN story has THE picture. The smile on the lady’s face may very well be the smile of a lady whose derriere is being squeezed but it doesn’t seem to me the smile of a lady who does not want her derriere to be squeezed.

    nk (dbc370)

  30. Their, there, they’re, happyfeet. It’s no big deal. I’m sorry I said anything.

    nk (dbc370)

  31. nono I thank you – one must be punctilious in these matters or we’ll end up with a blog what looks like youtube comments

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. And what is it with the other one and the school teacher glasses? Is she trying to make herself look less like a professional nude model or are they part of her MILF photo getup?

    nk (dbc370)

  33. Colonel Haiku, you’re welcome to phrase that with ‘allegedly’ when you think about it, but I believe the accusers in both cases, so I’m not going to do that.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  34. Money line from the Redstate story, “This ain’t Bill Clinton’s America, any more.”

    So far It is if you are a Democrat.

    Thud Muffle (5a4596)

  35. This is an interview from this morning with Moore accuser Leigh Corfman, who was a minor at the time of the alleged incident.

    While some here shamefully lambaste her as “disreputable” and “skeevy” and whatever else, because she made some admittedly poor life decisions, had financial issues, divorce, waited so long to go public with the accusations and whatever other excuses put up, watch the interview, and see if your ugly criticisms of her change at all, or at least, make you reconsider.

    Dana (023079)

  36. I noticed that, much like Roy Moore can’t seem to deny dating teenage girls, Al Franken can’t seem to deny that he randomly groped women. Nowhere in his statement is a denial that it occurred.

    Edoc118 (83bafd)

  37. if honey boo boo doesn’t have any evidence to share with the group then I don’t think i need to listen to her do her deceitful propaganda

    there’s absolutely no evidence Mr. Moore ever even knew her in fact he denies even ever knowing her!

    she is no good!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. The multiplicity issue is always “not good news”, but the then-contemporaneousness of the “corroboratively consistent statements” is a real kicker w/ the Lindsay Menz story.

    Trouble for Al, methinks. (Yeah, I did get the prize a couple times, for Mr. Obvious, thank you.)

    I confess my baseline bias is to disbelieve such charges, with respect to Franken, but this report certainly makes it harder for me not to credit Tweeden’s account of the rehearsal kiss, and rather more strongly harder not to credit the allegations of this account. So, yeah, maybe indeed Franken’s got some “issues” he probably ought to deal with.

    (That said, this post here raises some good (as well as some rather less tenable) points, regarding the Franken-Tweeden photo (which in itself, for me, was a non-issue – however sophomoric – pretty much, in any event) and the Tweeden account of the “gross rehearsal kiss”. (Credit to original poster (this thread?).)

    That said (and certainly not to make any excuses for Franken’s behavior if in fact he done wrong), I confess that I must be like so totally unwoke as to find it peculiar why full grown women who get “pawed” by some quasi-random dude (Franken wasn’t the boss, etc. of either of these women; no real power over them), don’t just haul off and clobber or slap or at least dope-slap the offender, or at the very very least give him the stink eye good and strong. At the time. (And why Ms. Minn. State Fair’s husband didn’t – if he believed the missus – didn’t act somewhat more like . . . well, a man. Who knows? Maybe they were both rapid Democrats.) Or, maybe, Mr. Unwoke Q!, this type of nonsense goes on so goddamn much with attractive women, that grinning and bearing it become almost second nature.

    Q! (86710c)

  39. You used effect and affect backwards.
    nk (dbc370) — 11/20/2017 @ 8:57 am

    I use affect as a verb and effect as a noun.

    Am I wrong?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  40. Yes what actual evidence is there dana?

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. Both can be verbs, but you affect (influence) to effect (achieve a result).

    nk (dbc370)

  42. @42 I use affect as a verb and effect as a noun. [ Para] Am I wrong?

    Probably 50% of the time, I reckon. Both are nouns both are verbs.

    Q! (86710c)

  43. …While some here shamefully lambaste her as “disreputable” and “skeevy” and whatever else, because she made some admittedly poor life decisions, had financial issues, divorce, waited so long to go public with the accusations and whatever other excuses put up, watch the interview, and see if your ugly criticisms of her change at all, or at least, make you reconsider.
    Dana (023079) — 11/20/2017 @ 9:31 am

    Why don’t you just say it? I “shamefully” doubted her. Because I almost was falsely accused. I’ve told the story. And, the women are the heroes.

    But I’ll listen to her.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  44. Who ever they replace him with is, Barbara boxer meet Kampala harris:

    https://spectator.org/should-the-fbi-be-abolished/

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. plus honey boo boo’s still obscuring how it was that the washington post propaganda sluts “found” her

    why can’t she just tell the truth?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  46. So where does this end?

    It doesn’t excuse Franken’s frat boy behavior for being an ass but in a way, given the spectrum of antics by SNL alumni chronicled in ‘Live From New York; An Uncensored History of SNL’ by Tom Shales & J.A. Miller, nailing him on harassment seems almost an afterthought. Why not drug use, instead– or perhaps that’s not as attention getting these days. As mentioned on another thread, what should alert all of us watching this passing parade in this ugly climate, is how to discern who truly has a valid complaint and who is just being an opportunist as more of these incidents come to light.

    Leading by example is certainly not something we’re going to see from you-know-who. So it’s going to take work by us, not depending on the spin from red or blue or orange talking heads. It’s tricky stuff, too. I recently finished rereading some material on the blacklisting period in Hollywood. And the similarities beginning to surface are striking; ‘are you now or have you ever been a sex predator’ is echoing across the land. And where does this end? I’ve had two female bosses touch me inappropriately in my career. Said nothing. Half a century ago my own mother was ‘sexually-harassed’ at a public event by a well known British film actor (that’s only mention three, Haiku.) She said nothing. We all likely have a story or experience or two– but you don’t forget these things. Next week it could be a cashier complaining happyfeet touched her while making change in 1995; or Haiku gets accused of eyeing a woman because he praised her golf swing in 2003; or a waitress complaining Patterico smiled at her while serving a Denny’s breakfast in 1998. Where does this end?

    It’s going to be up to us individually to stand up and say, ‘have you no decency, sir!’ You can’t legislate morality, but basic, good manners is simply a matter of personal responsibility, good taste and treating others as you’d like to be treated.

    Stockholders at Fox rightly deserved to be made aware of settlements or payoffs for sexual harassment claims by employees. And if we’re spiralling down into the ‘naming names’ phase of this, ’bout time the ‘stockholders’ of the United States– the taxpayers– were made aware which member of Congress had settlements made with tax dollars for similar transgressions w/employees. But as Ben Burn sourced on another thread, this sort of sordid harassment has been going on in government since the start of the Republic– and in societiesover the ages for much longer.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. How about politico and the new york Times or ABC time and new york magazine, or msnbc (in the case of deutsch or npr re oreskes or the intercept and rollingstone.

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. @42 I use affect as a verb and effect as a noun. [ Para] Am I wrong?

    Probably 50% of the time, I reckon. Both are nouns both are verbs.

    Q! (86710c) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:24 am

    I just suck.

    You know who doesn’t?

    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/bird-class-minesweepers/moa-and-kiwi-bag-a-sub

    On the night of 29 January Kiwi and Moa were patrolling along Kamimbo Bay, on the north-western corner of Guadacanal, when Kiwi detected a submarine. It made a depth charge attack, but then lost contact. Kiwi continued to attack and on its third run, the damaged submarine surfaced and attempted to fight it out.
    Damage to HMNZS Kiwi after ramming

    Damage to HMNZS Kiwi after ramming

    …On paper it was two-to-one, but the Japanese sub I-1 was a formidable opponent. At 2135 tons surfaced, the Type J1 class were one and a half times bigger than Moa and Kiwi combined. Undamaged, the sub could outrun them by about five knots. The I-1’s 140-mm gun had greater range and hitting power than the New Zealand ships’ 102-mm guns, and it also had powerful torpedoes. No wonder that to the Kiwi’s crew in the dark, the Japanese shells sounded ‘like an express train going through’…..

    One of my proudest moments in the Navy was walking a couple of Kiwis back to the pier in Japan. Truly ecumenical.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  49. @49. Sure. ‘Name names’ and bring down the few and damn collateral damage to any characters and careers near by in the process. But where does this end?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. Anyone who hires Gloria Allred is de facto guilty.

    Ingot9455 (681849) — 11/20/2017 @ 8:22 am

    Yeah, we’re talking about two different people.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  51. Fire him keep him, hes exactly the kind of scoundrel re air America embezzlement, voter fraud, et al.

    With Roy Moore it’s something different, maybe he might end up like Bentley or ensign.

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. it ends when pervy Mitt Romney’s sick dictum of “no proof no problem” becomes the unquestioned underpinning of neo-fascist American life and culture

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  53. What holly paz and Lois Lerner did were greater offense yet they were made unaccountable.

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. So where does this end?

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 10:38 am

    It should end at Al Franken just isn’t funny.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  55. I remember reading the 1869 Navy Cutlass Manual when it was new.

    Nope. Franken, still not funny.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  56. When Gibraltar was a pebble Franken just wasn’t funny.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  57. Let’s start a contest. How not funny is Al Franken?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  58. 31. nk (dbc370) — 11/20/2017 @ 9:02 am

    The smile on the lady’s face may very well be the smile of a lady whose derriere is being squeezed but it doesn’t seem to me the smile of a lady who does not want her derriere to be squeezed.

    She’s smiling because he did that only after she took that pose.

    Maybe even after the picture was snapped. Or perhaps she didn’t want to break that pose (while she’s trying to figure out exactly what’s happening.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

    When Franken walked in, Menz and her husband, who also spoke with CNN, said they recognized him right away. Menz said she had a brief and cordial exchange with the senator.

    Then, as her husband held up her phone and got ready to snap a photo of the two of them, Franken “pulled me in really close, like awkward close, and as my husband took the picture, he put his hand full-fledged on my rear,” Menz said…

    On the TV show, a reporter says that she posted the picture on Facebook. And when her sister wrote to her that you two look really close, she wrote “Dude — Al Franken TOTALLY molested me! Creeper!”

    And that the exchange is still visible on Facebook but only to her Facebook friends.

    Her mother and her husband agree that he told her that day: “Our senator just groped my wife right in front of me.”

    He says “I was upset. I wasn’t happy about it in the least. He was already gone and I wasn’t going to confront him. But yeah — I was in shock, really.”

    It was apparently just for a moment.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  59. nobody likes a tattle-tale

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  60. @Steve57- Lorne Michaels hired him as one of the original writers for SNL– not as on air talent.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. Is respect given or is it earned?

    Asking for a friend.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  62. Q @40. If the Al Franken photo was photoshopped, it was probably photoshopped on the instructions of Al Franken in 2006. (Al Franken probably doesn’t have the technical capability to this himself)

    She doesn’t remember that picture being taken, and she didn’t see it soon after. It was left for her to see after the flight was over.

    Come to think of it, it makes more sense as a photoshop.

    If Al Franken created the photo that way, there wouldn’t be a risk of him waking her up. It would make the “joke” better and give him a defense. If she complained he’d chortle to her about how dumb she is to think the photo was real, and to others about having fooled her.

    I think actually LT does say she did complain after the rehearsal kiss, and he treated all bad, trying to annoy her, (but in a kind of deniable way) during all the rest of that trip.

    In the Minnesota mall, what was the husband supposed to do? Chase after the Senator, and then what?

    All Al Franken would say is he imagined it. This was maybe another “joke.”

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  63. If Al Franken had that photo created by Photoshop aboard the plane, he’s not going to say that.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  64. Ben Burn

    Just for once could you be the voice of one crying in the wilderness, just outside cell coverage?

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  65. 38.

    I noticed that, much like Roy Moore can’t seem to deny dating teenage girls, Al Franken can’t seem to deny that he randomly groped women. Nowhere in his statement is a denial that it occurred.

    Roy Moore isn’t denying he dated teenage girls because he did.

    What he’s focusing on especially may be what he knows to be untrue – he’s just floundering in trying to disprove it. He doesn’t know how to handle the charge of then-16-year old Beverly Young Nelson, that he assaulted her. Which is the most serious charge. Unless you consider the Linda Corfman charge more serious.

    When it comes to Bill Clinton, is just the opposite, Kirsten Gillibrand and some others are focusing on the least serious charge – that involving Monica Lewinsky (from the non-legal angle it’s the least serious charge – from the legal angle we’ve got perjury here, also I think he lied initially under oath about Gennifer Flowers.)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  66. I’m no Johnny Baptist but is that what you’d say to him?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  67. @63. Expected.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. I’d also like to sign you up for the Locust of the Month Club for Christmas. Your welcome.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  69. 69

    Entiltlement to respect?

    I should respect Manson..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  70. You are most holy. Congratulations.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  71. PBS/WETA has edited out Franken’s segment from the Letterman ‘Mark Twain’ special to be aired tonight. And so it goes– see #48; back in the day it was called ‘blacklisting.’ 40 years from now, they’ll restore the ‘lost’ clip to the tape for posterity.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  72. If you keep your head when others lose theirs you won’t be Kipling either.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  73. @71. Your choice.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  74. All women must have Gal Godot’s Fadt Five swimsuit. Case closed speaking of Bugliosi.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  75. Do you mean Franken is not funny like Dennis Miller?

    Now that’s funny.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  76. 75 what choice?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  77. Al Franken’s a perverted butt-toucher

    i know it

    you know it

    Kirsten Gillibrand knows it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. I have respect for institutions that have earned it. Same with people. I respect their space and civil rights, but their person needs to earn it. It’s not given unless the giver is compelled through some coercion…like social mores.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  79. The New York Times had a story with a lot of background about Roy Moore printed yesterday.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/us/roy-moore-alabama.html

    It includes, near the end. the name of person ho says she knew about the Leigh Corfman allegation years ago:

    [apparently referring to Ten Commandments controversy, circa 1993] Gadsden watched him become a hero of the religious right with mixed feelings.

    “I don’t want to use the word disgust,” said Kathleen Sisson, 67, a retired educator who had known for years about Ms. Corfman’s account of Mr. Moore. “But it bothered me greatly to know what I knew.”

    I think CBS (or was it another network?) also showed a man who said he had known about it before, and said there were others too who did, and he hoped they were willing to say so.

    The New York Times also apparently asked Leigh Corfman about this:

    One of the women, Leigh Corfman, said she was 14 years old when Mr. Moore engaged in a sexual encounter with her. “I stand by my story,” said Ms. Corfman, whose account first appeared in The Washington Post. Mr. Moore has denied any impropriety with Ms. Corfman or any other woman.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  80. Dana @37. The twitter link to the NBC interview with Leigh Corfman by Savannah Guthrie doesn’t work.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  81. @79. Which may make him presidential timber, just like Pappy Bush, eh Mr. Feet? 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. @65 In the Minnesota mall, what was the husband supposed to do? Chase after the Senator, and then what?

    I’m suggesting that if Husband H takes a posed picture of Wife W w/ groper Z while groper Z is copping a butt-grab in Father-in-Law F’s booth at the State Fair, and then W immediately tells H what just happened, while Z is about to or just has strolled out of the booth . . . then I’d kind of expect most Hs to at least go to the effort of pursuing an apology. It certainly would have been more socially responsible as well. I guess one cannot expect, anymore, that folks call upon themselves to be responsible for their actions, inaction, or for their enabling behavior, for that matter.

    Q! (86710c)

  83. Pappy Bush is a vile serial finger-raper

    currently at large

    if you see this man do not try to apprehend

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  84. R.I.P. Della Reese

    Icy (b8832b)

  85. Frank n feel has taken boosh off the headlines

    mg (60b0f7)

  86. Who’s next?

    Stephen Miller

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  87. @89 Who’s next?

    I haven’t looked, but I imagine there’s a line on it in Vegas (or will be soon).

    Q! (86710c)

  88. “Is respect given or is it earned?

    Asking for a friend.”

    Google John Vasconcellos, beenburned. He was one of your pioneers. You will find your answer there.

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  89. This link works:

    https://www.today.com/news/roy-moore-accuser-leigh-corfman-shares-why-she-went-public-t119062

    Savannah Guthrie says Roy Moore was an assistant district attorney at the time.

    Her mother did not know.

    He took her to his home/

    He proceeded to “seduce me, I would say”

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  90. next up – Bill Clinton. The dems are eager to rid the grifters from the party.

    mg (60b0f7)

  91. Thanks haiku but the question was posed rhetorically. Now if you have thoughts you can surprise us.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  92. @29 nk

    When I kick on my Wah effect it affects my playing. But I still object on principal, councilor.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  93. While Mr Ben Burn pedals heavy distortion with a lot of delay.

    Pinandpuller (6c8fc0)

  94. I hit a consistent 110 hz hairpin.

    Distortion with soul

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  95. rip
    charlie rose
    you perv

    mg (60b0f7)

  96. Leigh Corfman says she told two close friends and anotehr one abit later and they told her it was not a good idea to go on seeing Roy Moore. Years later she would rail at him from time to time. She connsidered going to the courthouse in 2001 or 2002 and confronting him and went to the parking lot but decided not to go through it.Her chidren were little then. Later she gave tehm aversion of this but they decided not to go public because tghey;d get castigated.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  97. She says the washington Post went to her – but who told the Washington Post?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  98. Charlie rose, you are the next contestant

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. She said she gave a”high overview” of this to her children when they were in junior high school and they told her they would be castigated on social media if she did. When was this?

    Who else did she tell? She glides over that. But it is impossible for the Washington Post to ask her unless somebody told them. She says something about railing against Moore, but is very unspecific as to the type of persons she told, and when.

    Anyway, she says that when the Washington Post came to her she said she would go public if they could find other people, and they did.

    Now that’s probably what she told the people from the Washington Post but this looks planned. How is it really possible for a few reporters to find a few people in a city of 30,000 to 50,000 people?

    They were fed these people, including her. And the other stories are not like hers – they were older, they were not taken to his home and he did not try to seduce them immediately. They show an interest in younger women, but they are not the same. It’s not like her story.

    Now kishnevi says it could be for political reasons and also be true. But maybe on;y some of them are true, or details have been changed.

    Sammy Finkelman (f07364)

  100. Today’s target: Charlie Rose…

    The fever is getting worse– and this is where this sickness is headed as ‘names get named':

    Aaron Copeland… Leonard Bernstein… Lee J. Cobb… Jose Ferrer… Will Geer… Jack Gilford… Ruth Gordon… John Garfield… Eddie Albert… Dashiell Hammett… Lillian Hellman… Judy Holliday… Lena Horne… Burl Ives… Garson Kanin… Sam Jaffe… Pert Kelton… Howard Koch… Gypsy Rose Lee… Burgess Meredith… Arthur Miller… Zero Mostel… Dorothy Parker… Howard K. Smith… Edward G. Robinson… Artie Shaw… Pete Seeger… William L. Shirer… Orson Welles… Orson Bean… Richard Attenborough… Harry Belafonte… Howard Duff… Howard Da Silva… Barbara Bel Geddes… Charles Collingwood… Charlie Chaplin… Jeff Corey… Ossie Davis… Ruby Dee… Lee Grant… John Ireland… Kim Hunter… Norman Lloyd… Larry Parks… along with Trumbo, Dmytryk, Lardner, Maltz and the rest of ‘The Hollywood Ten’… just to name a few from the witch-hunting ‘blacklist’ era, the Red Channels lists and what was other wise a dark, delirious and destructive era.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist#The_Hollywood_Ten

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  101. There are a few red flags in this story that is making me consider that it’s a hoax. Franken can be in on it. John Kline of all people had to become part of this story. Kindly John Kline. I was probably the only person alive who looked into whether the Larry Craig case was a hoax and John Kline came up in my investigation so I dropped it because that sure seemed like a dead end. Now another senator is being accused of something and there is now-retired John Kline on CNN’s speed dial.

    jcurtis (5f1a0c)

  102. As I said at the beginning of all this nonsense, the object is to make all men the bad guys and all women believed at all times. You know, she said-he’s dead. And it’s working.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  103. @105. Hoagie- you can bet that in corporate boardrooms and executive suites the quiet, informal talk will be to minimize future exposure to this; the unwritten word will be, ‘why open ourselves up to this 5 or 10 years down the line from staff… if quotas are filled and a guy and gal are equally qualifies for a gig– play it safe, hire the guy and leave it at that.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  104. All those folks chose poorly and were punished by the marketplace, this is more in the matter of behaviour that was already objectionable.

    narciso (d1f714)

  105. 92. mg (60b0f7) — 11/20/2017 @ 1:04 pm

    next up – Bill Clinton. The dems are eager to rid the grifters from the party.

    There are 4 new women with accusations against Bill Clinton. This is from the first years after he was no longer president. Reported by Ed Klein.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5090399/Bill-Clinton-accused-sexual-assault-four-women.html

    The women alleged the former president assaulted them in the early 2000s, during the time Clinton was working with playboy billionaire investor Ron Burkle (pictured together in 2006)

    There may not be that much attention paid to it, because he’s a member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

    And who knows who his sources are.

    There’s a lawsuit and settlement negotiations are in progress. The deal would have been money in exchange for silence.

    Ed Klein says that – this year – Hillary wanted to hire private detectives to investigate these women but her lawyers told her not to do that.

    Sammy Finkelman (f07364)

  106. Let’s start a contest. How not funny is Al Franken?
    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:16 am

    That was touched on on Seinfeld.

    GC: It’s funny because it’s on TV.

    NBC exec: Not yet.

    Pinandpuller (394863)

  107. Rick a help with the translation

    https://mobile.twitter.com/giorgiameloni?lang=en

    narciso (d1f714)

  108. No lawsuit has actually yet been filed (or it would be public record if you knew where to look) There are actually four separate lawsuits in the works, but the attorneys are co-ordinating their efforts. The women were in their late teens when this would have happened.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5090399/Bill-Clinton-accused-sexual-assault-four-women.html#ixzz4z1SC6KXy

    A member of Clinton’s legal team has confirmed the existence of the new allegations.

    I don’t know if that means confirmed it to The Daily Mail or confirmed it (or even leaked it) to Ed Klein.

    Sammy Finkelman (f07364)

  109. In the Minnesota mall, what was the husband supposed to do? Chase after the Senator, and then what?

    All Al Franken would say is he imagined it. This was maybe another “joke.”
    Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:48 am

    Al has to mow his lawn at some point.

    Pinandpuller (394863)


  110. Al has to mow his lawn at some point.

    You honestly believe a multi millionaire, leftist, elitist Democrat mows his own lawn when there are perfectly good illegal aliens to exploit? You crack me up P&P.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  111. @108. No narciso- they were hounded and damaged by reclkless, mindless fear. A young actress named Nancy Davis was so terrified of being splashed w/t mud of collateral damage with her name getting red channeled, she went to SAG prez Ronnie Reagan to get clensed– the rest is… history.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. When is Ariana Huffington going to claim Franken harassed her in bed on the TeeVee?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  113. Well, Charlie Rose now has a following of formerly harassed females. And:


    “Some years ago I was in an elevator and then-congressman Bob Filner tried to pin me to the door of the elevator and kiss me and I pushed him away,” Rep. DeGette said. She noted that he later resigned as Mayor after sexual harassment allegations. She went on to say, “I was his colleague. He couldn’t take action against me and believe you me I never got in an elevator with him again.”

    These elitist on both sides aren’t satisfied just phukin with our money, they want all the wymyns too.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  114. I’m no Johnny Baptist

    agreed. Your rap name Red Man is taken so how about Methodist Man?

    but is that what you’d say to him?

    I don’t speak Hebrew or Aramaic.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:01 pm

    Pinandpuller (394863)

  115. And lager hiss and William remington and Larry duggan and lauchlun curie Duncan lee were all misunderstood tell me another one.

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. PBS/WETA has edited out Franken’s segment from the Letterman ‘Mark Twain’ special to be aired tonight. And so it goes– see #48; back in the day it was called ‘blacklisting.’ 40 years from now, they’ll restore the ‘lost’ clip to the tape for posterity.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:09 pm

    Hollywood on Hollywood crime.

    Pinandpuller (394863)

  117. White House tell: Vote for the Roy Moore- pedophile – “We want the votes to get this tax bill through!” ‘Tammy Faye’ Conway.

    2017 GOP family values. This is madness– and has got to stop– on both sides.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  118. Linda Blair, was more levelheaded disco.

    narciso (d1f714)

  119. Letterman, fidnt he have an issue with the help himself.

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. It’s all Greek to me.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  121. The link at 112, went along with the berlusconi piece on the other thread”

    narciso (d1f714)

  122. Google John Vasconcellos, beenburned. He was one of your pioneers. You will find your answer there.
    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca) — 11/20/2017 @ 12:59 pm

    High self-esteem does nothing for multiple organ failure, apparently.

    Pinandpuller (394863)

  123. @124– Right– so if PBS/WETA edits him out there isn’t much point to the show; so just rescind the award. Then go after warm and loveable dead Sid Caesar– or dead Walter Cronkite– who was known to do a faux striptease after a few drinks at parties.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. Goggles do nothing, disco, how many of these satirists have been genuinely witty, mort sail perhaps, maybe Craig ferguson. But these tame chimps

    narciso (d1f714)

  125. @96 Ben Brown Note

    I hit a consistent 110 hz hairpin.

    Distortion with soul
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/20/2017 @ 1:23 pm

    110 Hertz is the frequency which is associated with both the stomach and the ovaries. *(110)\biblio*

    In a pilot study in 2008 by Dr. Ian Cook, this frequency showed a direct neurological effect that suppressed the left side of the pre-frontal cortex and activated or increased the right side. The results showed that the language and logic were shut down while mood, social behavior and empathy increased. *(110-2)\biblio* Dr. Ian Cook is an Associate Director of the UCLA Laboratory of Brain, Behavior and Pharmacology as well as an Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Bio behavioral Sciences at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, and the Director of Unipolar Depression Research at the Semel Institute. *(110-3)\biblio*

    Pinandpuller (394863)

  126. 127 l… no, it did not. Reports were that Vasconcellos was surprised and troubled by that…

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  127. Chahlie Rose drop teh Lev*tra!

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  128. Thorny situation narciso; the bloom is off the Rose.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. 118… love in an elevator… livin’ it down after feelin’ ‘er up.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  130. Anyways instead of the justice league farrago I caught one of the adaptations of one of these rather dour graphic novels, crisis on infinite earths, which was more well plotted than the 300 million dollar facepalm that even Gail gait couldnt save.

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. 115… some other guy oughtta be mowin’ Franken’s lawn, serve him right

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  132. You honestly believe a multi millionaire, leftist, elitist Democrat mows his own lawn when there are perfectly good illegal aliens to exploit?
    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 11/20/2017 @ 4:49 pm

    You got me. However the c*ck*d husband needs a good excuse for showing up to AF’s house like returning some hedge clippers.

    Pinandpuller (394863)

  133. Jeffrey Tambor leaving ‘Transparent’ in wake of sexual-harassment allegations

    http://www.dailynews.com/2017/11/20/jeffrey-tambor-threatens-to-leave-transparent-in-wake-of-sexual-harassment-allegations/

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. 103… cry a river… there’s been an active blacklist employed against anyone who doesn’t toe the orthodox leftwing political line for 3 decades.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  135. Then go after warm and loveable dead Sid Caesar– or dead Walter Cronkite– who was known to do a faux striptease after a few drinks at parties.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/20/2017 @ 5:17 pm

    I heard Uncle Milty could clear 12 lined up quarters from a table-top without using his hands. People of achievement don’t need awards.

    Pinandpuller (394863)


  136. You got me. However the c*ck*d husband needs a good excuse for showing up to AF’s house like returning some hedge clippers.

    Perhaps he was there to mow Mrs. Franken’s lawn if you catch my drift.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  137. @140. PP- Forrest Tucker was supposedly playing in the big leagues, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. This has taken a decidedly gay turn… knock it off, you guys.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. @139. =Haiku= Gesundheit!

    Right.
    And it’s wrong.
    On and for both sides.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. What side am I on?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  141. Franken’s behavior was terrible.

    Moore’s was worse because it involved *underage girls*.

    I don’t see that as a lame, easily refuted distinction; I see it as the crux of the matter.

    Sexual harassment is bad. Sexual harassment of people too young to consent is *awful*.

    Agree on all counts, as I often do with aphrael.

    His complaint about Willett the other day was the first time in recent memory I have disagreed with him.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  142. Thank you for that unexpectedly kind endorsement. :)

    We disagree on other things, but I often don’t comment when I disagree; if I don’t think I have the time to get into the conversation, I don’t want to have a drive-by disagreement — that doesn’t contribute to civil exchange, it just creates a nuisance. :)

    But … I deeply appreciate how we are able to engage and find areas of agreement, and I have been very happy with our ability to do it over a long period of time. *Even when we disagree* you are a thoughtful man who has reasonable reasons for getting to where you get to, and you’re open to disagreement in a way that is refreshing. :)

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  143. DCSCA, at 138: I don’t understand how they can bother continuing the show without him. *His* character’s story was an interesting story, and she mostly didn’t irritate me. EVERY ONE OF THE CHILDREN is at best an obnoxious git, and I would have no desire to watch a show about them as I’d be throwing things at my monitor every five minutes.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  144. What side am I on?
    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/20/2017 @ 5:53 pm

    Topside?

    Pinandpuller (394863)

  145. 21st Century Fox in $90 Million Settlement Tied to Sexual Harassment Scandal

    “(Reuters) – Twenty-First Century Fox Inc has reached a $90 million settlement of shareholder claims arising from the sexual harassment scandal at its Fox News Channel, which cost the jobs of longtime news chief Roger Ailes and anchor Bill O’Reilly.

    The settlement, which requires a judge’s approval, resolves what are known as “derivative” claims against Fox officers and directors, including: Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan, who are Fox’s executive chairmen; James Murdoch, another son and its chief executive, and Ailes’ estate.

    The defendants did not admit wrongdoing in agreeing to the settlement filed with the Delaware Chancery Court.

    Monday’s settlement calls for insurers of Fox officers, Fox directors and Ailes’ estate to pay the $90 million to the New York-based company for the benefit of shareholders.”

    https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2017-11-20/21st-century-fox-in-90-million-settlement-tied-to-sexual-harassment-scandal

    And so it goes…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  146. @148. Right– and that’s an example of ‘collateral damage’ – other people not directly involved are going to have their jobs and lives disrupted by it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  147. That happened because sherman targeted news Corp, what CNN and msnbc are exempt, the tiffany network has a rutting ape as one of their marquis players.

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. “Senator Al Franken (D-Medellin) continued his unbroken dumbness streak by actually letting someone photograph him while he made a play for the only kind of woman who digs him, an unconscious one.” – Kurt Schlichter

    harkin (a9a478)

  149. JT can still wear a wig on Arrested Development…oh boy

    Jeffery Tambor David Cross

    Pinandpuller (394863)

  150. DCSCA, at 151: I think one of the practical issues on that one is that the population which would be interested in a television show about transgender people transitioning and the effect it has on their family ARE ALSO a population of people who would be sufficiently offended by an actor sexually harassing people that they would stop watching.

    So there would be a real marketing problem if Tambor *didn’t* step aside. I’m just baffled because I don’t understand what value the show has without Maura.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  151. I always though of Tambor as a,schlub going back 30 years,

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. 155… you’re one up on me, aphrael… I’m remain baffled, as I don’t understand what value the show has.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  153. @156. “Hey nowwwwww…”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  154. “Don’t you just love the fact that as liberals we’re safe?”

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPHQUB2U8AA9MEg.jpg

    harkin (a9a478)

  155. David Cross is THE poster boy for lefty GenX smarm. He got Amber Tamblyn with miles, none put on there by J. Woods, mind you.

    urbanleftbehind (e6dd3d)

  156. 156, I like how Michael Keaton decked him at the end of Mr. Mom.

    urbanleftbehind (e6dd3d)

  157. I guess the Democrats were right. There is a rape culture and they are the chief practitioners!

    Irony! Where is thy sting!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  158. @155. Never seen the show, aphrael; but it must be popular to a degree given his Emmy. Had a NJ grade school transgender music teacher famed in those circles in the mid-1960s so it isn’t an issue one way or the other w/me– it was w/t school board back in the day. It’s just the fever of this witch hunt is feeding upon itself and even though the behavior is bad enough, the hunt itself isn’t very good; there’s going to be collateral damage.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  159. Colonel Haiku, at 157: the aspects of the show dealing with Maura are interesting; they depict a person struggling in interesting ways with self-actualization, with the challenges that come as a natural result of making a big change in your life, and with the impact of those changes on the people around her.

    The people around her are almost exclusively contemptible wastes of space, and that really undermines the value of the show, unfortunately.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  160. It was skw signalling in the extreme,

    narciso (d1f714)

  161. 160. This is a picture of Charlie Rose and Al Franken, probably from his show.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  162. If Al worked all the booths at the Minnesota Fair it’s pretty certain there are going to be more complainants. My guess is 5 by Wednesday Noon. Anybody take the over/under?

    Thud Muffle (5a4596)

  163. 47.

    plus honey boo boo’s still obscuring how it was that the washington post propaganda sluts “found” her

    Well, she could say she doesn’t know, but she could be asked if she knows who outed her; and if not, if she wants to know; and in either case does she think the motive was political.

    Also, did she discuss with anyone how to answer the Washington Post? Was the condition that they find other people before publishing anything about her, her idea?

    I am sure she did not get a ticket to Tahiti, and her bank account did not get (yet anyway) any more money in it, but that would not eliminate money as a motive. Does she have a lawyer, an agent?

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  164. That is known as the captain tupolev maneuver, from red october.

    narciso (d1f714)

  165. “Thrush ironically said of Halperin at the time “Young people who come into a newsroom deserve to be taught our trade, given our support and enlisted in our calling – not betrayed by little men who believe they are bigger than the mission.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-20/anti-trump-nyt-reporter-glenn-thrush-suspended-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations-0

    “In the course of reporting this story, I was told by a male reporter who’d worked at Politico at the time that my instinct was right. He said that the day after that night at the bar, Thrush told him about the incident, except with the roles reversed. I had come onto him, the reporter said Thrush told him, and he had gently shut it down….

    The source said that Thrush frequently told versions of this story with different young women as the subject. He would talk up a night out drinking with a young attractive woman, usually a journalist. Then he’d claim that she came onto him. In his version of these stories, Thrush was the responsible grown-up who made sure nothing happened….”

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/20/16678094/glenn-thrush-new-york-times

    Sounds like his method of recollection matched his reporting style…he was an admitted Hillary ‘hack’.

    harkin (a9a478)

  166. narciso @173. It looks good, considering anyway there’s a problem with him saying and being “The District Attorney of Etowah County. Roy Moore would be having to o alot of bluffing to come out with something like this.

    It says his witnesses have contacted news media but they have not reported what they said. They dispute a lot of details of Beverly Young Nelson’s story.

    1. The minimum age for workers there was 16. She claims she started working there before her 16th birthday. Well, she could have lied about her age or even used somebody else;s name, but she doesn’t say that. Could be what she says is true, bit it requires explanation.

    2. The dumpsters was not where she said it was. They were on the side of the building, not the back. and there was no space to park between the dumpsters and the building. Workers would step out the side door and throw garbage right in.

    3. Olde Hickory House never closed as early as 10 p.m. The Goodyear tire place net door closed at 10 p.m. and their employees came over there to eat. So the restaurant should not have been closed at 10 p.m.

    84. Although they are not sure, there was probably no entrance at the back of the parking lot, where BYN says she initially thought Roy Moore might drive there (to explain why she was not alarmed until he stopped the car) because the back of the parking lot did not reach the street, but the back yards of people, and people parked on the sides and there wasn’t even enough room in the back to turn a car around.

    5. They never saw Roy Moore there. That’s two former waitresses and two former customers. And Beverly Young Nelson said he was there practically every night (for what must be understood to be at least a few months)

    In particular Rhonda Ledbetter who says she worked there from 1977 to 1979, said she never noticed him and she would have noticed anyone wearing a suit, as he presumably was. I mean working in a courthouse all day and all. Also, she doesn’t remember Beverly Young Nelson as working there. (You know, I think the Social Security Administration has records of anyone who worked on the books, which BYN can obtain and release.)

    6. The wait staff would not have interacted with someone who stayed at the counter, where she says he sat, but he would have been served by the bartender or a short order cook.

    7. There wasn’t any place around the restaurant that was dark. (BYN claimed he parked in a dark, isolated spot) People and cars were always around. The restaurant had wrap-around porch, with lights, like a racker barrel place, and there were lights all around.

    .8. Roy Moore was the deputy district attorney. Someone who worked at the courthouse and would have recognized him and went to that restaurant said he never saw him there. He never saw Beverly Nelson either, and he had a lot of chances to.

    9. Another waitress says she worked there during the summer of 1977 and never saw either Beverly nelson or Roy Moore there, and she would have known a regular customer. Well, you could say that was before either of them was there.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  167. Congress had (and still has) special rules for (preventing) complaints:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/us/politics/sexual-harassment-congress-capitol-hill.html

    Under federal law, complainants must undergo a confidential process, where co-workers who might be able to provide corroborating evidence are excluded. They often must wait about three months before submitting an official complaint, yet must file one no later than 180 days after the episode. Once filed, victims must submit to up to 30 days of mandatory counseling and complete another 30 days of mediation.

    If mediation fails, the person then must wait 30 more days before seeking an administrative hearing or filing a lawsuit in Federal District Court.

    This goes back to a law passed in 1995. Before that there wasn’t any system, just the possibility of filing a lawsuit in federal court, which could mean wait years for a resolution.

    When complaints are settled, it usually comes with a non-disclosure agreement, and the money is paid by Congress, and the names of the members of Congress or the Congressional offices involved not released.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  168. I think maybe the reason that Beverly Young Nelson claimed the restaurant closed at 10, rather than at 11 pm or midnight, is that Alabama probably had law stating how late 16 year olds could work, so her shift couldn’t end past 10 pm (she actually says sometimes it ended at 7 pm and sometimes at 10 pm – did this law depend upon what day of the week it was? Maybe the latest hour a 16-year old could work depended on what day of the week it was, and she never says what day of the week this alleged attack happened.)

    And she has the restaurant close at the same time as her shift ended to explain why she had limited options for getting home and why Roy Moore exited the restaurant at the same time.

    Note the waitress who said the restaurant closed at 11 or 12 (she doesn’t remember) was a college student at the time.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  169. @175 …It looks good …

    Um hum. A press release by Moore’s campaign. I wonder why it “looks good”? I wonder why no news outlet’s reported on this? Even though there’s been outreach by the informants/the campaign? Not FOX, not WaPo, not Nat. Review, not no-one? Even tho, interviews have been given? I wonder why the informants’ reports weren’t presented in signed statements or affidavits. I wonder why Sammy doesn’t wonder about such things as well. I wonder what the truth is. I wonder what the best way is to likely ascertain the truth. I wonder why the Ala. legislature’s not scheduled evidentiary hearings on the controversy/ies.

    Q! (86710c)

  170. 81. Kathleen Sisson says she is afriend of Leigh Corfman’s mother.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/roy-moore-alabama-reactions/index.html

    Sisson said she is a close friend of Nancy Wells — the mother of Leigh Corfman, who accused Moore of initiating a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 years old. Sisson said Wells confided in her in the 1990s about Corfman’s alleged encounter.

    When did she tell her mother?

    https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2017/11/why-i-stand-with-judge-moore/

    ((quoting the Washington Post story)

    Wells says her daughter told her about the encounter more than a decade later, as Moore was becoming more prominent as a local judge.”

    Moore became a judge in 1992, and prominent soon after. So that’s not inconsistent. But it would be nice to check the stories (not about the acts that may have happened in 1977, but about who told who when what. And who told the Washington Post.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  171. 177. Q! (86710c) — 11/20/2017 @ 11:31 pm

    I wonder why the Ala. legislature’s not scheduled evidentiary hearings on the controversy/ies.

    That might seem like it’s going too far, but it really isn’t. And this is important to get at both the conduct of campaigns and the conduct of lawyers. This is important even if there is something damaging that is unquestionably true about Moore. But I don’t Alabama state legislature is in session. There’s Congress.

    As for why they didn’t write about it, could be they doubted it, and almost just came out.

    I think the most likely way Moore would know the story was false is if he never visited that restaurant. He’s concentrating on that accusation. It just rings together. It would help if it was supported by affidavits and if it panned out.

    The restaurant either closed at 10 pm or it didn’t. The dumpsters either were at the sides, flush against the building, or they weren’t. The whole area of the parking lot was lighted, or it wasn’t. There was a back exit of the parking lot to the next street, or there wasn’t. It terminated at the backyards of houses or there wasn’t, and it terminated at the next street. There was room to drive a car around to the back or there wasn’t. Beverly Young Nelson either worked there or she didn’t. Roy Moore used to go there and stay there till closing during the period between about the middle of October at least and the end of December 1977 or he didn’t. She had a boyfriend who regularly took her home from there or she didn’t.

    Roy Moore was either the District Attorney of Etowah County or he wasn’t. (he wasn’t) That was either her yearbook from June, 1977, or it wasn’t. If he lied about being the district attorney it is either that she found that out, or she didn’t, and how could she not have discovered that in all these years of talking about it with her sister that that was wrong and he was only the deputy district attorney? Either people called him the district attorney or they didn’t, and I haven;t read that anybody else did. Gloria Allred has that and also the lawyer for another woman. A person who claimed he was banned from the mall claimed he was lawyer.

    Gloria Allred deliberately misspelled Etowah County in two different ways or – there is no or, since the same mistake appeared in a number of different newspapers.

    Gloria Allred will either make Beverly Young Nelson available for questioning in another forum before the election if the senate Judiciary Committee (!) doesn’t hold hearings, or she won’t.

    I leave it to you to figure this out.

    Some assertions have been made that can’t withstand scrutiny if wrong.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  172. Charlie’s gotta be longing for the old days… https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/932732746090377218

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  173. 2017: Year of teh Ancient Wang

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  174. There will be no Beverly Young Nelson at a Judiciary Committee hearing. Gloria Allme was talking out of her tukus.

    nk (dbc370)

  175. Attack of teh Crusty Paw!

    Colonel Haiku (65f4ca)

  176. 180. Rush Limbaugh played a montage at the beginning of his second hour of Charlie Rose. He wanted to find something with Charlie Rose being judgmental or something but he didn’t. They were clips of him introducing stories on the CBS This Morning. He decided to play it because of the last one. It was Charlie Rose saying something like that Roy Moore was the latest but he won’t be the last.

    Sammy Finkelman (57e37d)

  177. Stone appeared to know Franken allegation was coming

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360726-stone-appeared-to-know-franken-allegation-was-coming

    The Jolly Roger strikes again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  178. Stone seemed to know in advance awhole bunch of other things. Maybe about Eliot Spitzer too. I am not sure if that was confirmed.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  179. Donald trump now declartes he is supporting More because Moore denied everything.

    Some parts of it are to be believed.

    http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/you_dont_have_to_believe_the_w.html

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

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