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11/17/2017

Sen. Gillibrand Now Conveniently Woke: Bill Clinton Should Have Stepped Down

Filed under: General — Dana @ 12:52 pm

[guest post by Dana]

This certainly takes the irony cake: Kirsten Gillibrand, who filled Hillary Clinton’s New York Senate seat when the former First Lady became the Secretary of State, and who just last year hit the campaign trail with Bill Clinton on behalf of his wife, now conveniently claims that then-President Bill Clinton should have stepped down when his inappropriate relationship with a 22-year old intern was made public. This is also the same Kirsten Gillibrand who has simultaneously praised Bill Clinton and worked on legislative ways to protect women from sexual abuse, (particularly in the military and on the nation’s college campuses):

Asked directly if she believed Mr. Clinton should have stepped down at the time, Ms. Gillibrand took a long pause and said, “Yes, I think that is the appropriate response.”

Gillibrand then offered a troubling excuse for Bill Clinton remaining in office. An excuse that disturbingly seems to echo a similar excuse made recently by a disgraced show business executive:

But she also appeared to signal that what is currently considered a fireable offense may have been more often overlooked during the Clinton era.

“Things have changed today, and I think under those circumstances there should be a very different reaction,” Ms. Gillibrand said. “And I think in light of this conversation, we should have a very different conversation about President Trump, and a very different conversation about allegations against him.”

A spokesman later said that Ms. Gillibrand was trying to underscore that Mr. Clinton’s actions, had they happened in the current era, should have compelled him to resign.

Of course, this makes one wonder, if the culture changes again in 20 years time and reverts back to those by-gone eras, would Gillibrand’s reaction change accordingly too, especially with regard to Bill Clinton?

Gillibrand goes on to suggest, or perhaps hope that we as a nation are experiencing a watershed moment in history:

I think because, when you have hundreds of thousands of people coming out every day about all industries saying, ‘This is what happened to me,’ I think a lot of people have finally realized, ‘Wow, I didn’t quite realize this.’

And while some people may just be realizing this, certainly Gillibrand, who graduated law school in 1991 and spent years working in law and politics, as well as being the leader of the Women’s Leadership Forum of the DNC, has long known what took place, and continues to take place in her “industry”. But she also knew back then, and even up until the election, who could help advance her career:

[Gillibrand] worked for Hillary Clinton’s successful 2000 U.S. Senate campaign, and Bill Clinton campaigned for her first run for the U.S. House of Representatives in 2006. Gillibrand has also spoken glowingly of Hillary influencing her to get involved in politics, and she has frequently complimented Bill over the course of her career.

With that, former adviser to Hillary Clinton, Philippe Reines called out Gillibrand on her obvious hypocrisy:

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All of this sudden wokeness from the left side of aisle is sure tiring.

(Cross-posted at the Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

137 Responses to “Sen. Gillibrand Now Conveniently Woke: Bill Clinton Should Have Stepped Down”

  1. Can’t wait for Nina Burleigh and Gloria Steinem to get woke too.

    Dana (023079)

  2. This Zeitgeist will eventually taint the entire male gender making them unfit for life amongst polite society. What are they good for? Name just one thing..

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  3. I have a,bridge to sell you:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/360807-fox-news-poll-obama-has-higher-favorability-in-alabama-than-trump

    What did bill Ayers say the position of women in the revolution would be?

    narciso (e21cfc)

  4. hello Bill Clinton’s a sociopath what rapes women and girls with his herpes penis

    Gillibrand says this used to be ok but not anymore no sir

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. “Are you now or have you ever been a sex predator!” =bang-bang= =bang-bang=

    “Answer the question! Answer the question!”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  6. Well thT tridelt runs the star chamber and couches for mattress girl, so danger will robinson.

    narciso (e21cfc)

  7. Gillibrand gets off on screeching rape at people what can’t fight back

    A Columbia University student suing the Ivy League college for failing to protect him against a fellow student’s accusations of rape also blames Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand for helping destroy his reputation.

    she’s disgusting no wonder she’s a filthy effing senator

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. And foam boy helps her and mother hen McCaskill.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  9. They haven’t even started on Joe yet. I happen to know some of his family. That will be a blood bath.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9FmX1gOZlQ0/Wg8tosgD54I/AAAAAAABmqE/KDI99tzw0lo27Pe8i3BU-hxSFnTXamQyACLcBGAs/s1600/biden-unxplained-photo-.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  10. Kirsten has rose from her knees since 1998.

    mg (60b0f7)

  11. We need a retro-Congress that votes on what they would have done 20 years ago.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  12. With all the revelations about George H W Bush we should thank Bill Clinton for rescuing us from eight years of a presidential pervert. Oh, never mind.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  13. Where was LeAnn nine years ago, when it mattered.

    narciso (e21cfc)

  14. That’s good hoagie. How about this…

    Is Larry Craig running for something? And why are you such a homophobe, Ben?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  15. Yes just the fellow with the two mistressescthat replaced Mark foley.

    narciso (e21cfc)

  16. Re @12 I don’t know if it is my speakers but I couldn’t understand the audio but the cartoon was silly. Sorry.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  17. Or the degenerate who was the bureau’s key witness in the fraudulent trial against Ted stevens.

    narciso (e21cfc)

  18. Mr. Clinton Lackey is sorta downplaying what Bill Clinton’s crime really was. He had an ongoing affair with a very young subordinate, while he was her boss and president of the United States.

    The uneven balance of power makes it the very definition of harassment.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  19. But then he would have never become The Lion of the Senate.

    http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/zNHb8V.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  20. Why pillory the woman for (belatedly) taking a principled position?

    If she’d defended Clinton, you presumably would have pilloried her for that, too…

    Dave (d95790)

  21. Monica Lewinsky was not a victim. She was a hot-pants slut who pursued, and had an affair with, a married man who was also the President.

    nk (dbc370)

  22. Y’all sure can dish it out but you have no sense of humor about yourselves.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  23. 17

    I know you have issues..

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  24. Monica enjoyed a churchill every now and then.

    mg (60b0f7)

  25. 25
    Blow jobs have been conflated to abuse because of power exercises the adrenalin for poutrage.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)


  26. 24.17

    I know you have issues..
    Ben burn (5c54d4) — 11/17/2017 @ 3:13 pm

    I don’t know what that means, comrade. All I said was I couldn’t understand the audio and I thought the cartoon was silly. How is that “issues”? I mean you’re the guy with the gay cartoon how did I become the one with “issues”?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  27. He forgets rev, that they had Kevin Jennings who administered said practices as part of safe schools

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. It seems to be the usual projection, narciso. Ben! comments gayness but I’m the guy with issues. Go figure.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  29. Hoagie: the definition of sense of humor is being able to laugh at yourself.

    Don’t be a typical conservative. First learn the concept of irony then adjust your Barcolounger to a recline and repeat to yourself I will look beyond the end of my nose

    Is that difficult? I hope I’m not being condescending.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  30. Majority (now plurality) Whites are still branded with the stain of slavery 150 years after it ended. It matters not that today’s Whites had absolutely nothing to do with the practice. Now, we have Democrats who directly enabled sexual assault, scream for decades at others who engage in sexually yucky behaviors, and are still re-elected nearly automatically.

    What a world.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  31. “President Trump hasn’t admitted he’s a grabber while Franken has..I think that’s the distinction”

    -Huckabeast

    Hoagie: Get the humor?

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  32. Look beyond the end of your nose

    Ben burn (5c54d4)


  33. 33.“President Trump hasn’t admitted he’s a grabber while Franken has..I think that’s the distinction”

    </blockquote

    No the distinction is that Frankin admitted to and was photographed being a "grabber", while Trump has done neither. So you are projecting once again. Now go back to Tractor Barn #5 and think about what you've done. No beet vodka!

    Meanwhile I'm in a heated chess game on redhotpawn.com so bye-bye.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  34. Now that’s some family values

    I hope oral or anal sex was not involved.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  35. Meanwhile I’m in a heated chess game on redhotpawn.com so bye-bye.

    I see part of your issues.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  36. Was there a photo of Clinton fellatio?

    He said, she said seems sufficient for the partisans without humor.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  37. Al Franken wasn’t woke on military transportation but that makes him even with Leann Tweeden.

    Pinandpuller (739169)

  38. Gillibrand let the pussy out of the bag. This is about Trump. I’ve got to hand it to him, he’s got the Democrats not knowing whether to sh!t or go blind. They’re biting each other like rats in a crowded cage.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. Now can we stpp pretending this is a problem on one side? How about just a smidgen of honesty?

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  40. Not that it matters in any real sense but in a just society most of the current generation of politicians would get a good spanking and be sent to bed without their supper.

    Thud Muffle (17ac6b)

  41. The tip of Michael Jackson’s nose could reach the horizon if the circumstances were right.

    Pinandpuller (739169)

  42. Enough. We’ve got to stop doing this to ourselves. From all sides and from all points of the compass.

    This spiral down has no end to it. There’s 320 million Americans in this land and everybody isn’t a scumbag, a scumbagette, a pervert, a child molester, a thief or generally crooked and corrupt. How and why do these parties and their operatives fail to keep the worst elements of national sewage from floating to the top. It’s so discouraging… and meanwhile, Putin smiles.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. keep the worst elements of national sewage from floating to the top

    It’s just physics. The dross/effluent chunks rise.

    Also, the Ruthless rule.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  44. Nk thinks all the detox is bad for us. Quite the contrary. The soonerbconservatives recognize, the better.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)


  45. …. and meanwhile, Putin smiles.

    That’s where the leftists miss the point. Putin doesn’t smile, Satan does. But they don’t believe in him.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  46. take your medication

    mg (60b0f7)

  47. 49 @45

    mg (60b0f7)

  48. Satan is just one of the Reptilian, hoagie.

    Booga booga!

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  49. @43 Thud Muffle

    Wow. You must know Joe Jackson.

    Pinandpuller (739169)

  50. That’s why the blue dress was required so said vicious couldnt call her crazy.

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. Pinandpuller

    I am Joe Jackson. Thud Muffle is my stage and screen name.

    Thud Muffle (17ac6b)

  52. @45. I agree completely DCSCA. Now is exactly the wrong time to open a multitude of old wounds. But we’re on that track anyway. The Kremlin would like to see us die a “death of a thousand cuts.” Maybe they have a hand in this, too. We know that they’ve infiltrated our social media.

    Tillman (a95660)

  53. @46. Ben, these aren’t ruthless people. Just flawed beyond repair.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  54. Aren’t the Clintons in the Kremlin’s pocket. Deep, like maybe $100 million deep?

    nk (dbc370)

  55. I say let the chips fall.

    A carbuncle isn’t slowly excised. It’s dispatched with prejudice. The problem is one side is walking with a cane.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  56. Their humanity rests in taking accountability, DC. The passage of time makes it more toxic. It’s tough to take but this too shall pass. If course deniers don’t partake in redemption.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  57. My concern is Crucible-type campaigns with gill-nets.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  58. @62. Who’d want to find themselves afloat on a raft in a cesspool amidst this level of crossfire, Ben. It keeps good people safely on shore, high and dry.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. Good people have disdained politics for decades because they have to tolerate this crap…as though they were the same. Unfortunately those good people who pursue change, get changed.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  60. The best illustration of political peril is to imagine yourself up to your neck in sewage when someone throws a bucket of snot at your head…would you duck?

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  61. Don’t put your trust in heroes, rather, place your trust in ideas. They’re bulletproof.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  62. i put my trust in President Trump mostly he’s a real president not like that food stamp one

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. Well..you’d have to…he has no ideas.

    Ben burn (5c54d4)

  64. The new #metoo isn’t I’m an abused or harassed woman, it’s I’m a 50 year old white man who smashed consensually #humblebrag.

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  65. Is this not the inevitable result of the sexual revolution, liberate all from restraint, celebrate in art rubbish any with reservations, then create this straightjacket that a tiny few have been made exempt.

    narciso (d1f714)

  66. Would you rather

    Eat the worm

    or

    Eat the bay leaf?

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  67. I am Joe Jackson. Thud Muffle is my stage and screen name.
    Thud Muffle (17ac6b) — 11/17/2017 @ 5:05 pm

    Makes a lot of sense. I thought maybe a Thud Muffle was a towel you rolled up against the bottom of the door.

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  68. My concern is Crucible-type campaigns with gill-nets.
    Ben burn (5c54d4) — 11/17/2017 @ 5:20 pm

    More like Democrat-type campaigns in ghillie suits.

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  69. You can’t play Red-light Green-light when certain players who don’t stop aren’t called out.

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  70. I tend to wax philosophical, about such things, of course there were instance of hypocrisy in a,more puritan society, but there was less damage to society.

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. . Who’d want to find themselves afloat on a raft in a cesspool amidst this level of crossfire, Ben. It keeps good people safely on shore, high and dry.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/17/2017 @ 5:26 pm

    Afraid to come forward?

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  72. The best illustration of political peril is to imagine yourself up to your neck in sewage when someone throws a bucket of snot at your head…would you duck?
    Ben burn (5c54d4) — 11/17/2017 @ 5:33 pm

    You have kind of a sick imagination. Like Stephen King on 80% coke power.

    Don’t put your trust in heroes, rather, place your trust in ideas. They’re bulletproof.
    Ben burn (5c54d4) — 11/17/2017 @ 5:35 pm

    Don’t you mean ideals? There are a lot of dumb ideas, like standing in sewage.

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  73. I don’t fault gillebrand for this belated realization, but for the star chamber she puts on the rest of us.

    narciso (d1f714)

  74. lmao @78, Pinandpuller.

    mg (60b0f7)

  75. I agree with Reines, narciso. It’s hypocrisy and rank opportunism and she would be singing humming a different tune if Hillary was in the White House. Like Monica Lewinski hummed, IYKWIMAITYD.

    nk (dbc370)

  76. I’m imagining beenburned up to his eyeballs in sewage and I’m loving it!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. … and I’m not regretting it. It’s a terrible thing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  78. She is sincerely dangerous, as the freshman at Columbia has found out.

    narciso (d1f714)

  79. I thought it was the one from the mattress girl? Is this a new one?

    nk (dbc370)

  80. Same guy, that we know of.

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. Was there a photo of Clinton fellatio?

    He said, she said seems sufficient for the partisans without humor.

    Ben burn (5c54d4) — 11/17/2017 @ 4:22 pm

    =======================================

    Bill Clinton had a chance to refute the charges Paula Jones had made after she described his Johnson (whupped out at her) as resembling “a roll of quarters that hooks to the left”. He could’ve been examined by a physician and avoided losing that suit altogether. But he chose not to.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  82. Would the evidence have stood up in court, Haiku?

    nk (dbc370)

  83. Perjury wasn’t a fireable offense in 1998?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  84. Like a midget with scoliosis, nk… Like a dwarf with leg length discrepancy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. When Gillibrand is on the inevitable Sunday talker, somebody ought to ask: “Does this mean that you would have voted to convict in his impeachment trial?”

    But they won’t, and even if they did she’d weasel out of it.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  86. 82, go one better…
    http://youtu.be/NvSkuxrNCMQ

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  87. Awesome, ulb!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  88. Dana, I don’t think that the situation about Bill Clinton has to do with being “woke” so much as times have already changed in the last 20 years. You may think that 20 years is not a lot of time, but remember this: women couldn’t even vote about 100 years ago. Since most of us here on this site are not excessively young, that means that most of our Great-Grandmothers couldn’t even vote! And they probably had to hear the Biblical word, “obey” a lot too. Things are changing very rapidly for women, but for the better.

    Tillman (a95660)

  89. Look at the joys of communism that Burnie and Tillman preach.

    http://www.newsweek.com/china-christians-jesus-x-jinping-social-services-welfare-711090

    NJRob (b00189)

  90. The good news is mugabe is out the bad news the last time the Chinese directly intervened in this way waa the khmer rouge

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/15/zimbabwe-general-visited-beijing-just-days-executing-coup

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. NJRob, I don’t like any extreme form of government. I’m not for communism or totalitarianism.

    Tillman (a95660)

  92. “Women” is not a collective noun. It is the plural of “woman”. And each woman is a unique individual human being. Not a fungible part of a mass quantity and not an abstract philosophical or political concept. All women are different. Vive la difference!

    nk (dbc370)

  93. I’m imagining beenburned up to his eyeballs in sewage and I’m loving it!
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/17/2017 @ 7:17 pm

    Where do we get a bucket of snot at this late hour? How close are you to Fredrick’s of Hollywood?

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  94. times have already changed in the last 20 years. You may think that 20 years is not a lot of time…Things are changing very rapidly for women, but for the better.
    Tillman (a95660) — 11/17/2017 @ 9:41 pm

    20 years ago Caitlyn Jenner didn’t have t***.

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  95. NJRob, I don’t like any extreme form of government. I’m not for communism or totalitarianism.
    Tillman (a95660) — 11/17/2017 @ 10:13 pm

    Communish-ism?

    Pinandpuller (a3a77c)

  96. “President Trump hasn’t admitted he’s a grabber while Franken has..I think that’s the distinction”

    Yeah, he hasn’t “admitted” it, he went further and actually bragged about doing it and getting away with it.

    Dave (445e97)

  97. Dossier Ivan McCain needs to be investigated by the senate, then have a hemp rope placed just right from a sturdy oak branch…

    mg (60b0f7)

  98. The party was epic… he just got carried away… I ask, who among us hasn’t walked a mile in his shoes? https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a0d_1510082730

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  99. R.I.P. Malcolm Young, co-founder, rhythm guitarist and — according to brother Angus — the one who wrote all of those great riffs for AC/DC

    Icy (b8832b)

  100. Interesting new — and seemingly credible — rape allegation by an actress who was 17 at the time, against a writer for ultra-hip HBO series “Girls”. Writer on the show was 35 at the time.

    The interesting part is that Lena Dunham, star and creator of “Girls” has come forward to defend writer, and basically calls the claim part of the 3% of reported rape cases that are false. She writes:

    “Our insider’s knowledge of Murray’s situation makes us confident sadly that this accusation is one of 3% of assault cases that are misreported every year.”

    I guess that’s a publicists way of saying Aurora Perrineau is lying.

    Perrienau was 17 at the time, and is the daughter of actor Harold Perrineau.

    Perrineau filed a police report with LA Sheriff’s Office on Friday. The incident was in 2012.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  101. Left out this part about the abuse Dunham has been getting on Twitter — here’s the best, which I think perfectly encapsules her as a pimple on the ass of showbusiness:

    From someone named Denizcan James:

    Lena Dunham is that girl in high school who thinks no one likes her because she’s “different” and “people just don’t get her humor”, but really she is just a narcissistic, pretentious piece of shit who smells like damp clothes and gentrification.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  102. My two favorite quotes from Michelle Goldberg’s editorial in the NYTimes, which seems to be a thinly-veiled plea to throwing Franken under the bus as it’s necessary for the coup against Trump to take place:

    “When that photo was taken, Franken was a comedian, and at the time comedians enjoyed wide cultural license to behave offensively.”

    The thought police have come a long way since then, comrade!

    and

    “The question isn’t about what’s fair to Franken, but what’s fair to the rest of us.”

    And M Goldberg gets to decides what’s fair…….a female replacement with no voters involved!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/opinion/al-franken-sexual-harassment.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront

    harkin (10a18c)

  103. So a show about debauchery actually practiced it, shocker?

    narciso (8d9016)

  104. So you’d duckPull her?

    Ben burn (03656a)

  105. 103

    But Al Frakenstein is really bad.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  106. Kayla StepfordMoore.

    She would do well as a Pashtun wife.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  107. But Governator Ivey will vote for him anyway…lol.

    Ivey said today she was bothered by the allegations against Moore, but had to weigh all the available information. She was asked if she believed Moore’s accusers.

    “I certainly have no reason to disbelieve any of them,” Ivey said. “The timing is a little curious. But at the same time, I have no reason to disbelieve them.”

    Ben burn (03656a)

  108. Big trouble in Panama city/Trump tower

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-panama/

    Ben burn (03656a)

  109. 116 — Ben: what’s the trouble? I read the article. Nothing unusual in it when it comes to building projects in third world countries which are rife with political and financial corruption.

    Trump’s organization didn’t have any stake in the project — it simply licensed its name. That brand caused people from other parts of the world to pay more — that’s why the owners of the project wanted to use the Trump brand. The fact that the owners of the project accepted money from dubious sources, and likely involved laundering money from illegal activities, doesn’t impact Trump. They didn’t own or run the development of the project, i.e., they weren’t soliciting the investors.

    This is the basic left-wing journalistic playbook against Trump’s business — find projects that Trump has TANGENTIAL connection to, and then tar him with whatever was done inappropriately by the people actually in charge of the project.

    Makes for nice headlines, and makes for fodder for dupes like you, but if you read the article its pretty clear there’s nothing there.

    Sort of like the Trump Baku Tower project in Azerbaijan that was all the rage a couple weeks ago.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  110. Shipwreck: what’s the trouble

    Emoluements and money-laundering.

    Have you been watching?

    Ben burn (03656a)

  111. 119 — you don’t understand either one.
    LOL

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  112. 119 — humor us. Define “money laundering”.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  113. Hey! That’s exactly Trumps defense strategy..

    I know nothing

    He wouldn’t be entirely wrong.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  114. Who is us ?

    Got a squirrel in your pocket?

    Ben burn (03656a)

  115. Everyone who reads your stuff and thinks you’re a dope.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  116. ethics

    The basic concepts and fundamental principles of decent human conduct. It includes study of universal values such as the essential equality of all men and women, human or natural rights, obedience to the law of land, concern for health and safety and, increasingly, also for the natural environment. See also morality.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  117. Its a big group.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  118. So you and the squirrel..

    Ben burn (03656a)

  119. Ethics definition probably requires more explanation for your big group shippy.

    Ben burn (03656a)

  120. Throw the shovel down and back away from it, beenburned. And don’t fall in that hole you’ve been so feverishly digging.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. SWC,

    Burnie is too busy bashing Christians and conservatives to come up with a rational response to your remarks.

    He’s a good little Stalinist. Just ignore and move on.

    NJRob (b00189)

  122. Just like juche Dave, except he fancies himself an anarchist, which magic eightball dictates always lose.

    narciso (d1f714)

  123. Like Stalin using kirov, whose death was mandated by yagoda as a reason to purge:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/kcjohnson9/status/931718704072744960?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. Haiku wants rationality nut job?

    You guys are supposed to be big on evidence..

    Ben burn (03656a)

  125. “President Trump hasn’t admitted he’s a grabber while Franken has..I think that’s the distinction”

    – -Trump Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

    103. Dave (445e97) — 11/18/2017 @ 1:50 am

    Yeah, he hasn’t “admitted” it, he went further and actually bragged about doing it and getting away with it.

    But he gave that two important qualifications.

    1. This is a claim of consent, at least once you pass the very beginning of the grab. He said they let him do it – in attempting to overcome Billy bush’s possible skepticism, he said they (women in general?) would let anyone who was a “star” do it. That was in 2005.

    2. In 2016 he said that was just “locker room talk”

    In other words, he was lying.

    Except that Trump has not wanted to be clear about this claim that he was lying.

    Now there were some other things he said in that tape that are less likely to be lies – like, at some point in the past of 2005, trying, and failing, to seduce a certain married woman, even though he helped her buy, or select, furniture, I’m not sure which.

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  126. http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/16/here-are-some-revelations-from-new-book-about-the-steele-dossier/

    He wrote: “In October an email written by a person in the Clinton camp reached my inbox. It set out some of the unproven allegations against Trump, including sex with prostitutes in Moscow. The email said the claims came from a source inside the FSB. This was not Steele’s work, but some of it echoes the dossier.”

    If it were true that this was not Steele’s work, it would mean that Clinton campaign had some other contacts with Russia, but this was probably just a lie, and it was based on Steele’s work, perhaps twisted a little bit

    It has come * out recently in closed door testimony of Trump’s bodyguard in 2013, before Congress (the House Intelligence Committee) that they were offered (five I think) prostitutes, but turned down the offer, without even telling Trump, because he didn’t take it seriously, but he did tell him a bit later and Trump supposedly laughed it off…

    ————–
    * But that’s based on a leak, and that story or parts of it, may not be true. And it could be that it is really some other elements of what he supposedly said that Keith Schiller’s lawyer, Stuart Sears, is complaining about being misleading versions of his testimony. Schiller is mentioned in the dossier I think.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-bodyguard-testifies-russian-offered-trump-women-was-turned-down-n819386.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politics/keith-schiller-russian-offer-women-2013-moscow/index.html

    , an attorney for Schiller, said the chairman and ranking member of the committee should invest

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