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11/13/2017

New Yorker Story on Moore Is Rank Hearsay

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:48 pm

My post is at RedState.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

86 Responses to “New Yorker Story on Moore Is Rank Hearsay”

  1. It’s a post designed to upset everybody!

    Patterico (4af482)

  2. But maybe nobody will click.

    That’s fine. I am sick of reading comments about this story.

    Patterico (4af482)

  3. I had planned to cross-post but the computer is being monopolized and I am on my phone plus I have to work tonight anyway.

    Patterico (4af482)

  4. I thought the New Yorker was dead set against ban lists? I heard that followers of Mohammed pbuh were misogynists and prone to violence. Yet, the New Yorker elites mocked the use of ban lists.

    Sometimes, I upset myself.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  5. It’s simple. A week ago, if you had called 100 people as reputation witneses, it would have gone like this:
    — Are you familiar with Roy Moore’s reputation for good character and moral rectitude?
    — Yes, I am.
    — And what is that reputation?
    — It is very good.

    That’s what they’re trying to destroy. That reputation. For character and moral rectitude. Because it is his only strength. He is, at best, just middlin’ as a political leader, lawyer or jurist.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. The local Alabama portal on memorandum, follows the same template,
    unlike Harvey weinstein who couldn’t it have been a surprise at all.

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. I repeat ray Donovan’s query. But what difference does it make, how much damage could Doug Jones (from bellboy) possibly do.

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. And I did read your post. And I still love the New Yorker cartoons. And I submitted a poem to them about twelve years ago and they turned it down in a very nice way. So it’s ok.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. Michael Patrick Flanagan, the Rostenkowski slayer comes to mind when talking about Jones. No big sea change in IL politics from that 2 year timeout.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  10. Mr. Moore is a good person and these honey boo boos are slovenly and of poor character.

    ADVANTAGE: Mr. Roy Moore, who is a good person (not slovenly)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. Brit Hume retweeted my post. That’s fun.

    http://twitter.com/brithume/status/930291657618182144

    Patterico (4af482)

  12. But that was a single seat, in a sizan
    E house majority.

    narciso (d1f714)

  13. Is Doug Jones more than just middlin’ at anything? Including a reputation for good character and moral rectitude? But this might just be par for the course for him. As U.S. Attorney, he prosecuted a civil rights case 35 years after the event, two years after he had participated in the persecution of Richard Jewell for the Atlanta Olympics bombing.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. DOUG JONES RAPED ME WITH HIS MIND

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. Yes, Flanagan ruined my perfect record of having Rostenkowski, Blagojevich, Schakowsky, Emanuel and Lipinski for my Congressmen. Did you know that Stephen A. Douglas was the District’s first one?

    nk (dbc370)

  16. so this idea that a bunch of filthy Republican fascist trash would undo an election and expel Mr. Moore from the senate

    That tells you all you need to know about nevertrump values right there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. That’s is a lineup out of sakkar, the junk planet in ragnarok.

    narciso (d1f714)

  18. To lose on cabinet minister. Is accident, second coincidence, third enemy action:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5073721/Proof-Boris-DID-meet-Russian-intermediary.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. Speaking of, two yeArs ago was bataclan, not that it matters to anyone.

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. speaking of, a week and a half ago Rand Paul was violently assaulted

    there is proof and there is evidence (a passing sketch artist captured everything)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. Brit Hume retweeted my post. That’s fun.

    What’s next, a segment on Hannity?

    Patterico is such an InfoWars shill.

    /sarc

    :)

    Dave (445e97)

  22. Yes but that serves no narrative, pikachu, so it didn’t happen or random is somehow responsible

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. but it was a REAL assault (he had a pluralism on it where his ribs got broken) and yet harvardtrash Ted Cruz wants to focus on prosecuting Roy Moore?

    that’s so sick and twisted

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. Ted Cruz! What do you expect from a child abuser and a wife beater, who is married to a former call girl, and has still not stopped beating her.

    Sigh.

    nk (dbc370)

  25. The New Yorker article is not hearsay. They are not saying whom they heard it from. It’s mostly not even hearsay.

    They do have one good source who says there was ban list, but he doesn’t remember him being on it and he’s a long time friend of his (maybe started later, but he still would have known who he was, and people stay on such a list until they are removed.)

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  26. Mr. nk all i expect is for harvardtrash ted to try to remember these seven words:

    “there but for the Grace of God”

    Guess what he’s failing to live up to my expectations.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. Now that I am on the computer and not the phone I can embed Brit Hume’s tweet:

    Patterico (115b1f)

  28. If the story about Roy Moore being banned for bad behavior is a lie, and the New Yorker article seems to have a very good source that indicates that it is; and it had a bunch of sources that claimed to know this was a fact (some of whom claimed to have just found that out, and some of whom claimed to have known that for years) then there is a concerted campaign to create false corroborating evidence for the Leigh Corfman charges.

    At the point when elemental verification has not been done, nobody honest and careful can say anything.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  29. 27. Look, Ted Cruz is saying that Roy Moore should be prosecuted if the allegations are true, which he knows is impossible.

    And in the meantime, he says he can’t urge people in Alabama to vote for Moore, unless he can provide a serious persuasive demonstration that the chargss are not true.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  30. then there is a concerted campaign to create false corroborating evidence for the Leigh Corfman charges

    i think this is a sound conclusion Mr. Finkelman

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. @14. And Roy Moore will undress you with his eyes, Mr. Feet– with your mother’s permission, of course.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. Mr. Moore isn’t guilty of anything but being the target of a vicious smear campaign Mr. DCSCA

    and the good people of Alabama know it

    this is why nevertrump filth in the senate like corrupt closet case Mitch McConnell and sleazy-assed DACA-pig Cory Gardner are already talking about expelling Mr. Moore if he’s elected

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. 31. and of course the Beverly Young Nelson claim could also be false corroborating evidence. Maybe a person normally wouldn’t suspect that, but with all that stuff going on…

    There really need to be hundreds of cases for this not to be an organized effort, because none of the first four women supposedly are linked in any way, so they need not just one similar case to Leigh Corfman they need at least half a dozen. Just like they had with Cosby, Weinstein, Spacey etc.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  34. The idiots are getting ahead of themselves. Let’s get him elected first and then they can expel him and Kay Ivey can appoint Luther Strange again until next November.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. But you know what? They’re not going to expel him. Because they’re not post-menopausal trash with nothing to lose that can say anything they want about somebody without consequences.

    nk (dbc370)

  36. I think if he’s elected, Gloria Allred could very well get her Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, even if she doesn’t really want it.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  37. good point Mr. nk, that’s somewhat reassuring

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. Unless it would be the Senate Rules Committee.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  39. one similar case to Leigh Corfman

    the story from the new bottom-barrel honey boo boo today is in no way similar to the story honey boo boo number one made up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  40. I think if he’s elected, Gloria Allred could very well get her Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, even if she doesn’t really want it.

    how much do you think the Gloria Allred’s honey boo boo would charge for this kind of hearing?

    plus she’d have to get her hair did again (oh god)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. oops the Gloria *Allred* honey boo boo i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  42. The operative phrase is “with nothing to lose”. Whether or not any Senators, or all of them, are post-menopausal trash in any other respect is something about which opinions may differ.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. it’s a sticky wicket that’s for sure old chap

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. speaking of, a week and a half ago Rand Paul was violently assaulted

    there is proof and there is evidence (a passing sketch artist captured everything)
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/13/2017 @ 9:24 pm

    He looks a little like the bad guy from Jason Bourne. Vincent Cassel.

    Real Women of Genius

    Pinandpuller (9a7f02)

  45. A Federal judge in Hawaii just overturned Roy Moore’s Gadsen Mall ban.

    Pinandpuller (9a7f02)

  46. @33. ‘Scuse me, sir. Mister Feet?

    Lieutenant Columbo, LAPD. I’m sorry to bother you this late but just one more question. It has me kinda puzzled and my boss, the Captain, well– he likes these details all wrapped up before I turn in my report.

    See, sir, there’s this high school yearbook. You remember those, dontcha, sir? My wife, she keeps all hers in a bookcase in our bedroom by the TV. All signed by her teachers and classmates, too. She was very popular. But mine– oh, they’re out in the garage some place. Guess Ms. Nelson is a lot like my wife. Popular. Her’s is in great shape, too– and signed. I have it right here.

    And you see, sir– oh, does my cigar bother you? I’ll put it out for later. See, in Ms. Nelson’s yearbook– is this is a picture of her from 1977– lovely young girl, wasn’t she, sir– see, there’s this one inscription to her– to Ms. Nelson– that has me puzzled. It’s easy to read, too, isn’t it, sir. Lovely handwriting. Says: “To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas. Christmas, 1977. Love, Roy Moore DA 12-22-77 Olde Hickory House.”

    You know, me and my wife enjoy a good meal at places like the Olde Hickory House. Terrific food! Great service, too. Usually high school girls waitressing for extra money– like Ms. Nelson was. My wife always tries the house special and I order the chili. You can always tell a good restaurant by the taste of their chili, cantcha, sir.

    Oh– now about this inscription from 1977. Mister Moore wasn’t in Ms. Nelson’s high school then. Not a student nor a teacher. See, he signed it ‘DA’– we believe that means ‘District Attorney’– he was years out of high school by then. But you see, sir, today Mister Moore said… wait, I have it here in my notes… just a moment… here it is– Mister Moore said, “without hesitation this is absolutely false,” and “I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her. I don’t even know where the restaurant is or was.”

    See my problem, sir?

    Why would a man who was a ‘district attorney’ inscribe, sign and date the yearbook of a young high school girl he says he didn’t know with the name of a restaurant she worked at and now says he doesn’t know of or where it was or is? And the lab boys are pretty sure the signatures are a match, too.

    Can you explain this, sir? It would be a big help.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. How you say forgery in your country?

    nk (dbc370)

  48. What lab boys would those be, BTW?

    nk (dbc370)

  49. And who was a district attorney? It was not Roy Moore.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. yeah that signature has a ridiculous amount of detail on it like i think it’s likely phonied up

    and what kind of demented dolphin-eyed honey boo boo brings her yearbook to the hash house a go go for so she can get the regulars to sigh in?

    that’s just goofy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  51. excuse me *sign* in i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  52. Domini Anno. Latin Dyslexia. I wonder if she’s one of those waitresses who claims she doesn’t need to write your order down.

    You guys remember autograph books in the 70’s?

    Pinandpuller (9a7f02)

  53. last year even though i was dog tired i went to the mega-walmart and got autograph books for one of my lil pickleheaded baby cousins for so she could get character autographs at disney the next day

    it was very americana and even though it was after midnight the place was packed so we did the self checkout and when we got to the car we realized we hadn’t paid for a bottle of cab and you know what

    we just went home

    God Bless walmart but sometimes they gotta take one for the team you know

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  54. “He should not be a United States senator, no matter what it takes,” said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

    and what about yourself, piggy little coward?

    At least Roy Moore actually served in vietnam and didn’t spend the whole time squatting in a cage doing unspeakable things in exchange for a thin gruel of rice porridge.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  55. That sounds Fascistic Mr hf. Like he wants to send a sortie to Gadsen, AL and destroy their Hot Chicken facilities.

    Pinandpuller (9a7f02)

  56. he’s deranged and much like his precious tranny navy he’s navigating through a fog of incompetence foolishness and moral degeneracy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. I imagine the yearbook could be analyzed to determine whether the ink in the signature is consistent with being from 1977. Although not conclusive, it could expose a careless forgery.

    Also, lie detector tests all around…

    Dave (445e97)

  58. …Why would a man who was a ‘district attorney’ inscribe, sign and date the yearbook of a young high school girl he says he didn’t know with the name of a restaurant she worked at and now says he doesn’t know of or where it was or is? And the lab boys are pretty sure the signatures are a match, too.

    Can you explain this, sir? It would be a big help.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/13/2017 @ 11:27 pm

    Excuse me, LT Genius Detective, but who did he write that note to? Something seems to be missing from an inscription meant for someone he knew. Can you guess what it is, LT Genius Detective? It looks like the kind of thing you’d get at a book signing where you’re not allowed to even talk to some arrogant, b****y author ostensibly so the line will keep moving but really you have to make a five figure contribution to her foundation for her to acknowledge your existence and she just couldn’t give a s**t anyway. “All The Best! Hillary Rodham Clinton.” And I know you’re probably taking Gloria Allred’s client’s word for how much of a regular Moore was at that restaurant, LT Genius Detective, but name all the restaurants you went to once or twice 40 years ago. Go!

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  59. Excuse me, LT Genius Detective, but who did he write that note to?

    Um, the owner of the yearbook? As I wrote in the other thread, when people signed my yearbooks around the same time (1976-80), they wrote things like “To a great friend…” or “To a guy who…”. It was not typical to write the owner’s name.

    AL.COM has done some more reporting, and there are more locals going on the record with the “everybody knew about Roy Moore” theme, and their own personal (not hearsay) experiences:

    Gadsden locals say Moore’s predatory behavior at mall, restaurants not a secret

    “These stories have been going around this town for 30 years,” said Blake Usry, who grew up in the area and lives in Gadsden. “Nobody could believe they hadn’t come out yet.”

    Usry, a traveling nurse, said he knew several of the girls that Moore tried to flirt with.

    “It’s not a big secret in this town about Roy Moore,” he said. “That’s why it’s sort of frustrating to watch” the public disbelieve the women who have come forward, he said.
    […]
    Usry, who was a teenager at the time, remembers seeing Moore at the mall often.

    “He would go and flirt with all the young girls,” he said. “It’d seem like every Friday or Saturday night (you’d see him) walking around the mall, like the kids did.”

    Dave (445e97)

  60. I bet jebby slaps more than his wife azz.

    mg (60b0f7)

  61. I went to high school during the same time frame and when people signed yearbooks it was typical to include the person’s name.

    No matter. The point is that it’s going to be hard to prove Moore even knew whose yearbook he was signing. Just like HRC never knows whose book she’s signing. And doesn’t want to know.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  62. “He would go and flirt with all the young girls,” he said. “It’d seem like every Friday or Saturday night (you’d see him) walking around the mall, like the kids did.”

    I thought he was at the Olde Hickory restaurant every night hitting on Beverly Young Nelson.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  63. Jebby would be wasting a South Florida domicile if he didn’t.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  64. The booshes be some grifters, just like mittens and the clintons.

    mg (60b0f7)

  65. grand wizard Mitt Romney and Pappy Bush just want what anyone would want… unsupervised visits with their grandkids

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. booshes granddaughters should write a book with illustrations by daddy

    mg (60b0f7)

  67. booshes granddaughters should write a book with illustrations by daddy

    mg (60b0f7) — 11/14/2017 @ 5:04 am

    The themes they could explore for young readers-

    There’s Grandpa Poppy grabbing young derriere.

    There’s Daddy blowing a hole in the budget with another endless pointless war.

    There’s Uncle Jeb sucking his thumb in the corner.

    There must be some way to get these messy men in some order!

    Bugg (08921e)

  68. that’s not a thumb

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. I thought he was at the Olde Hickory restaurant every night hitting on Beverly Young Nelson.

    OMG, you’ve found an irreconcilable contradiction!

    There is no way, even in theory, that someone might both dine regularly at a particular restaurant, and hang out frequently a particular mall!

    Unpossible!

    Dave (445e97)

  70. Everybody knew there were WMD’s in Iraq too.

    crazy (d99a88)

  71. Of course there were, the times even turned up reports of incidents involving them for years.

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. narciso @18. Boris Johnson is not going to loe his position because his picture was taken at a Tory function with Professor Joseph Mifsud from Malta, a man whose credibility Putin seemed to interested in maintaining because he said [a person connected to the Trump campaign] met with his relatiives (it was clear she wasn’t his niece)

    That doesn’t mean that isn’t enemy action, with the idea oftoppling Angela May’s government.

    Brexit is going to turn into a fiasco anyway. The best they can do is sign a temporary extension.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  73. I wAS halfkidding, sammeh, just the panic hasn’t been this trounced since the ziboviev letter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  74. @59. Excuse me, LT Genius Detective, but who did he write that note to?

    Thank you, sir, for acknowledging Mister Moore wrote it. In Ms. Nelson’s yearbook in 1977. Which makes it all the more perplexing to explain why Mister Moore now says didn’t know with the name of a restaurant or where it was or is. I’ll be going now. You’ve been very helpful.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. 51. happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/13/2017 @ 11:38 pm

    yeah that signature has a ridiculous amount of detail on it

    Roy Moore was planning on running for political office, probably for the position of District Attorney. He would have wanted people to know his name and who he was, or rather, actually even wasn’t yet.. (More people will vote for you if they think you’re the incumbent.)

    All that this long message means is that he had some time. And he knew her.

    Now she claims that, shortly after that, he offered to drive her home, but instead drove her around the corner or something, parking his car between the restaurant and a dumpster while the door was locked, and tried to rape sodomize her (the legal term for that)

    This is actually the most serious allegation so far. (unless you think age trumps everything other kind of accusation.)

    Q. What model car did Roy Moore have then? Could the driver lock the doors from the driver’s seat so that a passenger couldn’t get out? Or even open up the window? (even if so, she could say she thought it was locked, but it wasn’t, and that’s how she got out, or that it’s hard t remember how she got out. She says he let her out, though. Pushed her out, even.)

    Where was she sitting? The front passenger seat. Probably not wearing a seat belt, though. Which would have been likely in 1979, so that is consistent with her story. Not wearing a seat belt is a plus.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  76. The restaurant might have had a different name in the front, or just not gone by that name.

    Gadsden is in the northern part of Alabama, near Tennessee, so that might explain the name of the restaurant. At least the name the owner liked.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  77. This Slate article seems to be based on the New Yorker article. I’m noit sure if it adds an extra source:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/11/14/roy_moore_reportedly_known_to_cruise_hometown_mall_for_high_school_girls.html

    Teresa Jones, who was a deputy district attorney around the time Moore worked in the district attorney’s office, told CNN “it was common knowledge that Roy dated high-school girls.”

    well, that may be true, and the otehr alllegations not true. Ray Moore didn’t even deny it, except to say that he said he didnt focuus on high-school girls. (“not generally”)

    It quotes the original Washington Post article as saying that Wendy Miller said he sued to ask her out “in the presence of her mother.” so they are in agreement about that, too.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  78. The papers in bama are as bad as the dog trainer, and Carlos slims with few exceptions

    narciso (d1f714)

  79. CNN interviews ex-mall worker from record store on camera verifying he was told by his boss Moore was ‘on a list.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  80. Gateway Pundit has two posts about the yearbook note. The first is with regard to the signature, which a handwriting expert compares to an official signature from some document. The claim is made that the signatures are different, based on the letters “R’ and “y” in the first name. I’m NOT an expert, but the “R” looks similar to me and I think that in the official signature what is describes as a “y” with an unusual flourish is instead a “y S” with his middle initial, matching the printed name. So I think the signature mismatch is not evidence against the validity of the signature.

    The versions of his last name also look very similar, to me.

    The date is listed twice, once as “ Christmas 1977” and once as “12-22-77”. The “7”s look different in the two dates, as though they were written by two different people.

    There is also a claim in a second blog post that the note is written in two different ink colors, with all of cursive writing in black and all of the printed letters on the right side in blue ink. I have not done any direct comparison of the RGB values in the image, but there is an apparent difference. (By the way, some of the images are apparently monochromatic, with no color difference visible.)

    My guess is that much of the text on the right was added after the fact, possibly by the girl at or near the time of the signature. This would explain why the job description is incorrect, listing him as the “D.A.” Instead of as the “ADA”. This could be as innocent as adding information about when and where an autograph was signed.

    Gary Coleman (19e91b)

  81. @81. They’re full of it. It’s just spin. You can’t make a definitive conclusion based on an analysis of a few Xeroxes or pixilated web images.

    You have to examine the originals but speaking as an autograph collector for half a century who doesn’t have a dog in this hunt, there are several visual points which make the two samples- from ’77 and ’17, match well. You have to look at feathering, crossover, stop-start points, looping, slant and stroke among other pattern points. And consider the 40 years difference in time as well- people do change some flourish elements of their signatures over the years not to mention speed and context of when a signature is made. Forinstance, a quick Trump signature on a hat moving through a crowd is going to be a slash and dash as opposed to a steadier signature seated at a desk signing an executive order. But the lower case connectivity and spacing usually remains consistent over time in a larger signature sampling. And there’s the oxidation and composition of inks. To my eye from the web posting and checking on eBay for Roy Moore signature samples, there appears to be a good match. But certainty requires examining the original piece against several samples first hand.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. why would they do a bad forgery Mr. DCSCA

    the whole point is to trick people into thinking Roy Moore signed honey boo boo’s yearbook

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  83. CNN, maybe part of their disbanded russia unit, or the sometimes matter team, snorfle.

    narciso (d1f714)

  84. You can’t make a definitive conclusion based on an analysis of a few Xeroxes or pixilated web images.

    They did in 2004.

    The question is, do the people who claim this was photoshopped have a case.

    The job description might be incorrect because that is maybe what Roy Moore went around claiming. Now, that’s one thing that can be checked. Did he in fact regularly tell eople he was the D.A.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  85. 80. DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2017 @ 6:35 pm

    CNN interviews ex-mall worker from record store on camera verifying he was told by his boss Moore was ‘on a list.’

    But did they verify he was really an ex mall worker and in a position to know? Do they have a second mall worker who says so too and can explain it?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

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