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11/13/2017

Another Company Boycotts Hannity — What Will Trumpers Smash This Time?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:00 pm

Another company has pulled its advertising from Sean Hannity’s show, in reaction to his coverage of the Roy Moore underage girl scandal. First it was Keurig — now it’s Volvo. The Hill:

Volvo has pulled its advertisements from Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News after his coverage of sexual misconduct allegations made against Roy Moore.

Volvo is the latest advertiser to pull its ads from “Hannity” in the wake of the prime-time host’s coverage of Moore, the Alabama Senate special election candidate accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women. Keurig and Realtor.com both said they were pulling their ads in recent days.

None of the advertisers said they were pulling their ads because of Hannity’s coverage of the allegations, including from a woman who says she was 14 at the time. However, the decisions come amid an online campaign targeting advertisers for Hannity’s show.

Over weekend, the Internet was treated to the spectacle of conservatives gleefully smashing their Keurig coffee makers in response to Keurig’s decision.

This resulted in the head of the company apologizing to Hannity. See? Publicly destroying your own personal property over a political disagreement works!

I have to admit, I can’t wait to see the videos of Trumpers smashing their $40,000 motor vehicles.

Something good finally came out of this Roy Moore catastrophe after all!

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

367 Responses to “Another Company Boycotts Hannity — What Will Trumpers Smash This Time?”

  1. nespresso is by far the superior product i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. how many voters for President Trump do you really think own Volvos btw

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. How many Trump voters want to see Volvo commercials?

    nk (dbc370)

  4. seriously if you go on someone’s wedding registry and they have a keurig on there don’t get it cause it’s just not that great of a product

    i got one for my cousin for her wedding and they don’t even drink coffee but for some reason it was on her registry

    i wanted to get her a gaudy-but-adorbs piece of swarovski instead and i can’t remember who it was but they said it was tacky to go off-registry

    whoever it was that told me that i kinda see their point now since basically i wasn’t really thinking of my new cousin in law and what he would appreciate

    but still, i rue that kuerig purchase, and I suspect I always will

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Ironic. Trump doesn’t drink coffee or tea.

    But on long flights can respond to the line, ‘coffee, tea or me.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  6. grand wizard Mitt Romney’s not much of a kuerig fan either i suspect Mr. DCSCA

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. No coffee, tea or alcohol what does that leave?

    I like a good Freedom Press myself.

    Pinandpuller (9a7f02)

  8. Hey Jebby, maybe your old man should have stuck his hands in your pants. Or maybe he has. Would never doubt the obscenities the booshes could perform.

    mg (60b0f7)

  9. old man bush looking for azz-, whats wrong with that overweight silver haired beast you married, you azz wiper?

    mg (60b0f7)

  10. Barb got widened by the help, how do you think Jerb got his tan.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  11. I dunno about Keurig, but Nespresso does not make its money from the machines. It makes it from the little plastic coffees at $0.70 a cup. So if you smash your machine, you’re smashing their money maker.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. you’re right nespresso even licenses the machine making to other manufacturers

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. Media Matters gets results. It even has former Republicans giving them a pass on their tactics.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. Thin gruel compared to this… https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/545729/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  15. ¢
    Hey, it works! But you need a keyboard with a numbers pad. Make sure Numb Lock is on. Then holding down the Alt key, type 0162 on the numbers pad. You get the ¢ sign when you let go the Alt key.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. 14, what do you recommend, a straight up lynching by pink hatters at his next speech?

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  17. Rush Limbaugh survived the left’s boycotts by building a business with local advertisers. He is immune to the leftist pansies who are going after Hannity.

    The left’s campaign against Moore is really getting the heavy hitters involved. I wonder who is paying Gloria Allred ?

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  18. The entire rotten unsubstantiated Roy Moore kerfuffle is a last ditch attempt by the media to revive their ability to create the news and use it against the GOP and for their leftist patrons. And guess what? It’s working. Nobody cares about all the actual news, just black millionaires on their knees and 40 year old accusations. And yes Mike K, I too have wondered who is paying Gloria Allred. She was aptly named too, the woman is All Red.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  19. probably grand wizard Mitt Romney if we’re going by raw passionate hatred

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. nk, After you taught me something this AM I discovered another special character shortcut for the memory impaired using ‘copy-paste’ from the Windows ‘character map’ tool. Thanks for the tip
    How To Quickly Type Special Characters on Any Computer, Smartphone or Tablet

    crazy (d99a88)

  21. Oddly when Malcolm nuance suggested Dolan properties be targeted by Islamic statr, critics.

    What is this groundhog day again, that you forgot about mediamatters carusone and the Dnc?

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. You’re welcome, crazy, and thank you. I forgot about copy-paste even though I use it for © and ®.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. Yes schiff leaked a snippet to ioffe, out of context, remember gq fired her before the magazine got the harder treatment, like the daily mail.

    narciso (d1f714)

  24. That link isn’t working, crazy.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  25. I’ll take a 14 cup brewer over that millennial material any day of teh week.

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  26. The Senate holds hearings today on control of US nuclear weapons

    Finally.

    “I think – I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.”
    – Donald Trump, explaining why he should not have control of nuclear weapons

    Dave (445e97)

  27. ¢╚Ä{A+Ü

    Neat. Thanks, nk.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  28. Smashing your own stuff that you have to pay to replace is stupid. Smashing your community that taxpayers and insurers have to pay to replair is a legitimate and understandable reaction to a lifetime of oppression, right?

    crazy (d99a88)

  29. Screengrab from wiki a few years ago before the editors caught on… “[Gloria] Allred was born in Philadelphia, on July 3, 1941 with cloven hooves and horns on her head, as well as the markings of “666” on the crown of her skull…”

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  30. who’s a special character is Mr. Roy Moore

    they’re trying to crucify him like they did on Jesus but guess what hah he’s not gonna let that happen

    he’s got a sunny disposition and a skip in his step cause he’s walking with the Lord unlike grand wizard Mitt Romney who carries with him the unmistakable whiff of Satan

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. New his more honeybadger like that josh green piece I linked in the other thread.

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. Well, theres always just a plain old percolator.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  33. The serious issue for me is how many public companies have been enmoled by leftists, are now run for the benefit of the left and to hell with the interests of the shareholders.

    It’s corrupt, it’s a crime and nobody seems to care.

    Fred Z (05d938)

  34. 35… in MY court of public opinion, they’d get the death penalty.

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  35. Wealthy leftwingers sure bankroll a mountain of horsesh*t.

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  36. I’m starting to think Elect Moore, expel both him and Menendez together as a package deal. Everybody wins, nothing changes.

    crazy (d99a88)

  37. who is this Senator Menendez on trial for being a pedophile?
    a blind cornerback gives better coverage.

    mg (60b0f7)

  38. Armand Hammer did business with Stalin. Capitalists have no ideology and no loyalty except to their wallets. If they think they’ll make more money by sucking up to a left-wing market, they’ll suck up to a left-wing market; if they think they’ll make more money by sucking up to a right-wing market, they’ll suck up to a right-wing market. If Volvo saw a lot of its cars on the road with Trump bumper stickers, it would triple its advertising on Hannity.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. Breaking tradition like he was an iconoclast..heh. Is this why Mr Petulant didn’t meet with Nobel laureate?
    http://www.ucsusa.org/about/1992-world-scientists.html#.WgsDdJ9OnqA

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  40. Thank you crazy. Though one wonders why not get a nominal R out of NJ, particularly if Christine’s term in NJ overlaps (by a few days) Moore’s swearing in for the Senare

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  41. Lots of Watergate Whiners hereabouts..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  42. Mostly for accepting bribes from a Lebanese eye doctor connected to corrupt Dominican
    offcials, but remember graham vouches for him, so nothing will happen.

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. The lEt Maurice string, was likewise a patron of the soviets

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. I went ahead and pinned the character map to my task-bar. “Never commit to memory what you can easily look up.”

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  45. Personally, urbanleftbehind, I’m all for it. Pragmatically, I don’t see any way the dems will let that happen with a democrat governor on the way. Washington is stuck in a partisan win-lose loop that favors the left because the right eventually gives a little to stop the bad press. It’s past time to get back to a little horse-trading or compromise or whatever you want to call it or the right will soon be back on the outside blaming each other for whose fault it is we lost it all.

    crazy (d99a88)

  46. Imtidation works practically no one referred to bataclan, even though its the greatest atroc
    In recent history.

    narciso (d1f714)


  47. A capitol staffer, she had been at a large party celebrating the end of a legislative session a few years ago and was on her way out when a male lawmaker she had never spoken to reached for her.

    “You can’t leave yet,” the staffer remembers the lawmaker telling her as he held her hand tightly. She thought he was going to bring her hand to his mouth and kiss it. Instead, he licked it and refused to let go.

    “It was in a crowded place,” said the staffer, who no longer works at the Capitol and spoke to The Texas Tribune on the condition of anonymity for fear it would affect her current job. “Maybe it was so subtle that no one else saw anything [but] the audacity of someone to do that and think it’s OK — it just boggled my mind.”

    The Texas Tribune thanks its sponsors. Become one.

    As sexual misconduct accusations pile up against men in power across the country, interviews with more than two dozen current and former lawmakers and legislative aides indicate sexual harassment not only is pervasive at the Texas Capitol but also regularly goes unchecked. Most of those interviewed described how men at the Capitol — some of them lawmakers — engaged in a wide range of harassment, including degrading comments and gestures, groping and unwanted sexual advances.

    Yet not a single formal complaint of sexual harassment has been filed in either the House or Senate since 2011, according to a review of public records and interviews with officials responsible for fielding complaints. Even though sexual harassment policies have been in place for two decades, few employees interviewed by the Tribune even knew they could file a formal complaint.

    The policies themselves are outdated — both reference a state agency that no longer exists — and rely on Capitol officials with little incentive or authority to enforce them, particularly in cases of harassment by lawmakers.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/13/texas-capitol-victims-sexual-harassment-must-fend-themselves/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  48. B.B., I hope it’s Rinaldi, i hope the chick was Tejana and she keeps it out the courts leaving it to her Tango Blast cousins.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  49. Well seeing as a similar attitude obtains in Minnesota and California, yawn,

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. Its very likely it could be a prog, perhaps some of the absconders from 3003

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. And its probably a stretch, but then so was the killian memo, once upon a time, is SD knickerbockers representing any of the accusers?

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Investigations into Moore’s nonprofit the Foundation of Moral Law, have revealed a man who champions himself above all else. Above Alabamians. And, yes, above God. Moore has used his platform to personally enrich himself and his family and to pursue his own, radical agenda.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/politics/alabama-roy-moore/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  53. Remember when the irs put that fake lien on Christine, good times

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. Exactly, though in my opinion he was all good until he asserted that Latino veterans didn’t love their country.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  55. I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her. I don’t even know where the restaurant is or was. [Ref; emphasis added; see, @48, above]

    Well. This is a remarkably stupid thing to say, if untrue. And darned if it doesn’t seem likely to be untrue. Gadsen is (and was) a fairly small place. Well, I’m sure the baby-Columbos out there will delve into and elucidate this with perfect precision!

    Q! (86710c)

  56. Yes it wAS koskinens farewell project,

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. Heh. How to post a link with sh*t in word string?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  58. TDS leads to an inevitable manifestation of the OCD… https://pjmedia.com/trending/rabid-anti-trumper-arrested-calif-threatening-go-killing-spree/

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  59. Columbos

    They create terrific Rube Goldberg gadgets for their paper-thin inquries, Q!.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  60. Did Richard Jewell bomb the 1996 Atlanta Olympics? Hint: He did not. But it was Doug Jones who was the U.S. Attorney in Atlanta at the time and along with the FBI and the MSM made Jewell’s life a living hell with false accusations. This is not only par for the course for the Democrats and their operatives with bylines. It is par for the course for Doug Jones specifically.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. And others an occupy mook, I think that’s the proper term, detained in my neck of the woods

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. I’d forgotten about that, it was Eric Rudolph, but the chambliss conviction was secure

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. What a waste, Col., looks like a young Tim Curry and could have survived on FrankNFurter and Pennywise gigs alone.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  64. Just as with Fitzgerald, the conviction of George Ryan was the only legitimate one.

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. That’s weird, speaking of George Ryan, why was the Willis family never invited to be Angels?

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  66. Just a symptom of the national example of “Prisoners Dilemma” being acted out over the past few years, for which “Tit for Tat” is the most effective strategy for punishing defections. The difference, of course – which is where we diverge from “Prisoners Dilemma” is the availability of escalation.

    Regardless of the messenger, push back is necessary to establish and protect boundaries. Otherwise, the aggressor will just escalate his behavior anyway, which is what we’ve been seeing in cases like college campuses. It may be immature and all that to destroy coffee makers, but if the respectable folk won’t stand up to the mob – or even Media Matters, then the deplorables will be the ones to act in less sophisticated ways.

    So rather than mock from the peanut gallery, let’s figure out a better strategy to change the disastrous trajectory of our nation’s current political process.

    [comment also posted at RedState]

    civil truth (b17b8a)

  67. Anyone, Trumper or not, considering smashing a Volvo 1800S or 1800E in reasonable condition should hold off. I’m in the market.

    ropelight (3dc687)

  68. Meanwhile actual criminal activity is minimized

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulaReidCBS/status/930453073411047424

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. Most companies (or their ad agencies) usually pick where they will advertise carefully — they try to match their potential customer base to the listening or viewing audience.

    So does Volvo believe that listeners to the Sean Hannity show are a good match for its cars?

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  70. Mrs. Moore says they’re assembling evidence that the accusers were paid cash for their stories. Not sure where it’s going, but it would certainly be disappointing if true, right, guys?

    Richard Aubrey (0d7df4) — 11/13/2017 @ 3:27 pm

    ropelight is and I think he sometimes watches Fox News, so I guess so.

    DRJ (15874d)

  71. Wrong quote. That should have been this:

    So does Volvo believe that listeners to the Sean Hannity show are a good match for its cars?

    Bored Lawyer (998177) — 11/14/2017 @ 8:56 am

    DRJ (15874d)

  72. The goal is to preclude discussion at all, Roy Moore should be shot hung decapitated and drowned, and when we’ll look at the evidence.

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Perhaps Volvo thinks Hannity’s tri-state radio audience migrates in lockstep to the tv show. Do the respective New England Greater Boston Volvo dealers advertise on Howie Carr? A cold weather/ice storm battling car will appeal to anyone regardless of any divergence with program content in those climes.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  74. Volvo’s recent commercials have been so precious and ripe for parody.

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  75. My oldest son bought a 2014 Volvo S60 that was back in off lease for his daily driver … 5 cylinder, turbo, loves it so far.

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  76. None of the advertisers said they were pulling their ads because of Hannity’s coverage of the allegations,

    So they want to have it both ways? Or is this just routine turnover?

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  77. @62. ‘Scuse me, sir. Mister Q?

    Lieutenant Columbo, LAPD. I’m sorry to bother you- I’m sure you’re a busy man- but just one more question. It has me kinda puzzled and my boss, the Captain, well– he likes these details all wrapped up before I turn in my report.

    See, sir, there’s this high school yearbook. You remember those, dontcha, sir? My wife, she keeps all hers in a bookcase in our bedroom by the TV. All signed by her teachers and classmates, too. She was very popular. But mine– oh, they’re out in the garage some place. Guess Ms. Nelson is a lot like my wife. Popular. Her’s is in great shape, too– and signed. I have it right here.

    And you see, sir– oh, does my cigar bother you? I’ll put it out for later. See, in Ms. Nelson’s yearbook– this is a picture of her from 1977– lovely young girl, wasn’t she, sir– see, there’s this one inscription to her– for Ms. Nelson in her own yearbook– that has me puzzled. It’s easy to read, too, isn’t it, sir. Very clean penmanship. Says: “To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas. Christmas, 1977. Love, Roy Moore DA 12-22-77 Olde Hickory House.”

    You know, me and my wife enjoy a good meal at places like the Olde Hickory House in small towns like Gadsen. Terrific food! Great service, too. Usually local high school girls waitressing for extra money– like Ms. Nelson was. My wife always tries the house special and I order the chili. You can always tell a good restaurant by the taste of their chili, cantcha, sir.

    Oh– now about this inscription from 1977. Mister Moore wasn’t in Ms. Nelson’s high school then. Not a student or a teacher. See, he signed it ‘DA’– we believe that meant ‘District Attorney’– maybe he was trying to impress her– but he was years out of high school by then. But you see, sir, the other day Mister Moore said… wait, I have it here in my notes… just a moment… here it is– Mister Moore said, “without hesitation this is absolutely false,” and “I never did what she said I did. I don’t even know the woman. I don’t know anything about her. I don’t even know where the restaurant is or was.”

    See my problem, sir?

    Why would a man who says he was a ‘district attorney’ inscribe, sign and date the yearbook of a young high school girl he says he didn’t know with the name of a restaurant she worked at and now says he doesn’t know of or where it was or is? And the lab boys are pretty sure the signatures are a match, too.

    Can you explain this, sir? It would be a big help.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. 15. nk (dbc370) — 11/14/2017 @ 5:26 am

    ¢

    Hey, it works! But you need a keyboard with a numbers pad. Make sure Numb Lock is on. Then holding down the Alt key, type 0162 on the numbers pad. You get the ¢ sign when you let go the Alt key.

    It doesn’t matter if Num Lock is on or off, so long as you press down the Alt key.

    And it’s Alt-155, not 162

    Alt-155 = ¢

    Alt-162 = ó

    You can also cut and paste into Patterico.

    Now there be different keyboard mappings.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  79. Alt-155 had a bad effect in some program long ago. I think it closed the window. Not what I wanted.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  80. Why would a man who says he was a ‘district attorney’ inscribe, sign and date the yearbook of a young high school girl he says he didn’t know with the name of a restaurant she worked at and now says he doesn’t know of or where it was or is? And the lab boys are pretty sure the signatures are a match, too.

    You could answer that – in fact she gives an answer.

    That that denial is not true, and he was a customer who, she claims, used to grab her hair when she passed by (that’s why she asked him to sign her yearbook? Was he a good tipper?) And he put in the job title because he wanted her (and everybody) to think he was the incumbent when he ran for that office in 1982 or whenever it came up next. And maybe she had to give him the name of the restaurant

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  81. Can you explain this, sir? It would be a big help.

    Yes, and meantime, tell us who signs a yearbook in December. So many discrepancies so little time.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  82. 40. mg (60b0f7) — 11/14/2017 @ 7:00 am

    Senator Menendez on trial for being a pedophile?

    Those are not part of the charges. But that sparked an investigation. They discovered that Senator Menendez had not reported the free flights he took to he Dominican Republic, and one thing led to another.

    There were only sources who did not give their names, and maybe a lawyer or two, and names that were not he person in question, and eventually accusations that the Daily Caller paid for he witnesse, which almost certainly were not true.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  83. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/14/2017 @ 9:41 am

    tell us who signs a yearbook in December. So many discrepancies so little time.

    What I’m wondering is if maybe it was the next year. (probably not)

    And he writes Christmas twice. And dates it twice, too. And his sentence is backward.

    The whole thing goes:

    To a / sweeter more / beautiful girl I / could not say /”Merry Christmas” / Christmas, 1977 / Love,/ Roy Moore, D.A. / 12-22-77 / Olde Hickory House Everything is in script, except for the words “Olde Hickory House” which is printed.

    The numbers of course, are also printed (there is no script for 1977 or 12-22-77 so it could be he switched over to printing for the last line

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  84. @DCSCA:And the lab boys are pretty sure the signatures are a match, too.

    Yeah, that would settle it. There’s just one thing…

    What lab was that?

    Can you explain this, sir? It would be a big help.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  85. Surprised there’s a boycott demand on Hannity, I heard that the interview he did with Moore tanked Moore’s candidacy and was exhibit A in why defense attorneys tell their clients to STFU. Don’t know why SJWs would want to punish Hannity for that.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  86. @93 Yeah, that would settle it. There’s just one thing… [Para.] What lab was that?

    I suspect that Allred (1) subjected Young Nelson to a polygraph, and that she passed, and (2) had at least one (and perhaps more) handwriting analysts compare original signatures for Roy-Boy-Toy (resulting in at least one confirmation), prior to the news conference. Perhaps that shows gross overconfidence on my part in the diligence of referenced counsel, but for a case such as this, that’s my guess.

    And I repeat: By all means (honestly), have a legislative inquiry w/ sworn testimony and subpoenas and all, real pronto! Replace the baby-Columbos with a Perry Mason or two! (or is he a Democrat? – rats!) Well, if not now (and if Moore wins), I suppose that exercise can abide until the Senate inquiry as to whether to seat the skeeze vel non. Oh. What. Fun.

    Q! (86710c)

  87. Don’t confuse people out to destroy someone with “suspicion” supported by lies by asking for facts, Frederick.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Tuesday that he had “no reason to doubt” the women who have made sexual misconduct allegations against Alabama Republican Senate nominee Roy Moore, joining a wave of high-profile Republicans who have expressed confidence in his accusers. [Ref, emphasis added]

    Q! (86710c)

  89. I’ve been hearing disturbing rumors for years about Mr Coffee. Can anyone substantiate them for me?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  90. All red can’t pass the voight mom off test.

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. Steve57 might know about this…

    My dad said he bought some coffee cups or mugs at an auction. They were made for the Navy or nautical purposes (I think). When they broke they were like safety glass, no sharp edges. So naturally he and his buddies started smashing them on purpose for dramatic effect and practical jokes and eventually I guess they ran out of them.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  92. Screengrab from wiki a few years ago before the editors caught on… “[Gloria] Allred was born in Philadelphia, on July 3, 1941 with cloven hooves and horns on her head, as well as the markings of “666” on the crown of her skull…”
    Colonel Haiku (993483) — 11/14/2017 @ 6:31 am

    Another date that will live in infamy.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  93. One small squeeze for a woman

    One giant bleat for womanmankind

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  94. @nk:Don’t confuse people out to destroy someone with “suspicion” supported by lies by asking for facts, Frederick.

    What’s so sad about it is the new standard for “corroboration” of an attempted rape accusation, is that a man may have signed a yearbook.

    How can we doubt Jackie Coakley when she has all those texts from Haven Monahan? How can we doubt Crystal Mangum when we know she was at the lacrosse party?

    It’s like we learned nothing from the last ten years.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  95. If Volvo saw a lot of its cars on the road with Trump bumper stickers, it would triple its advertising on Hannity.
    nk (dbc370) — 11/14/2017 @ 7:01 am

    I think Roy Moore should use ABBA in his campaign

    Take a Chance on Me

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  96. @Q!:Perhaps that shows gross overconfidence on my part in the diligence of referenced counsel, but for a case such as this, that’s my guess.

    Well, close the file on that case then. You guess that they probably did some sort of minimal checking that probably came out okay, not that anyone gets to see what the results were and who performed them. And nobody ever fails a polygraph, if one was even done, which we don’t even know, but you guess they might have done one.

    Gloria Allred never made a politically motivated or poorly-substantiated allegation in her life, especially not in front all those cameras, and that’s good enough for me, I don’t need to see a polygraph or a lab report or even get a look at the yearbook.

    Snark aside, I thought the available evidence was MORE damning before the media started throwing chum in the water by unapologetically printing unsourced rumors about who was or wasn’t banned from the local mall 40 years ago.

    At this point they have signaled that they do not care if they can verify anything they are willing to print. It will be months if any exculpatory evidence comes out, if there is any that can 40 years after the fact. And if any of the new stuff is false–like the mall rumors–then that will discredit anything that might be true.

    I can’t help but think that’s by design–the election will be over one way or another by then.

    Gadsden AL must be looking like Wasilla AK about now, more reporters than residents.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  97. @103 It’s like we learned nothing from the last ten years

    Such good analogies! Quick! Telegrams to Jeff Sessions, Sen. McConnell and his like-minded colleagues, and all the other left-wing traitors who inexplicably don’t share your opinion or view of the facts. Singing telegrams, if need be!

    Q! (86710c)

  98. I’ll take a 14 cup brewer over that millennial material any day of teh week.

    I guess some people like drinking (or throwing out) 13 cups of burned coffee. Seems an expensive way to brew coffee if you only want the first cup.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  99. I’m starting to think Elect Moore, expel both him and Menendez together as a package deal. Everybody wins, nothing changes.

    I’d start today with Alcee Hastings.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  100. 94. Frederick (64d4e1) — 11/14/2017 @ 10:21 am

    , I heard that the interview he did with Moore tanked Moore’s candidacy

    There are one or two quotes that are bing taken out of context.

    One is that he thought he never took out a woman without getting her mother’s permission and the other is “not generally, no” (he didn’t date them) which last night Stephen Colbert made it sound like it was referring to 14-year olds (by not revealing the question) when it was really referring to anyone 19 years older or less.

    I read (secondhand) that Moore admits knowing two of the three older women cited in the original Washington Post article, but says they were just friends (or friendly), and he didn’t date them. A date, I suppose, would mean took them some place and paid for some food or entertainment.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  101. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Tuesday that he had “no reason to doubt” the women who have made sexual misconduct allegations against Alabama Republican Senate nominee Roy Moore

    Everyone’s a coward.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  102. Keurig makes all its money from selling coffee pods — it bought all of the original 8 brands that it had licensed. It opened up to licensing further brands after a restraint-of-trade lawsuit, but it still makes money from every pod they sell, too.

    Smashing the machines, though, tells Keurig you won’t be buying more pods, and that’s what hurts. They stand to lose far more by ticked off Hannity fans then they do in some incremental pickup from Hannity haters (who are likely to be coffee snobs anyway).

    So they back down.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  103. @105 You know, Fred, it would be refreshing if you just came out and said the obvious. For one reason or another, there simply is nothing in the nature of evidence which persuade you that anyone is entitled to come to the opinion that Hizzoner done wrong as alleged. Nothing aside from an admission by Hisself, or a video, or a taped confession. I.e., nothing that’s remotely likely to exist in this particular universe. And if there were a video, you’d nitpick that to death as well, no doubt (has it been verified un-tampered with, and by which lab?).

    That’s fine and all, and more power to you. You run your life and conscience the way you want to. But Puleese, don’t think for a minute that it’s normal. Rather more like Shelton, on a particularly bad Big Bang Theory day (you know, his mother had him tested, too!)

    Q! (86710c)

  104. Knowing the girl not the woman may be a Clintonian razor’s edge.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  105. 105. Frederick (64d4e1) — 11/14/2017 @ 11:18 am

    Gadsden AL must be looking like Wasilla AK about now, more reporters than residents.

    No, Gadsden is much bigger.

    Wasilla, Alaska, had a population in 1960 of 112, while Gadsden, Alabama had a population of 58,088, and the urban area that included Gadsden, 68,944. (And Etowah County, 96,980)

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  106. @112 in the nature of evidence which persuade you should read in the nature of evidence which would persuade you.

    Apologies.

    Q! (86710c)

  107. @Q!: there simply is nothing in the nature of evidence which persuade you that anyone is entitled to come to the opinion that Hizzoner done wrong as alleged. Nothing aside from an admission by Hisself, or a video, or a taped confession

    Totally false. This is what was said about those who questioned Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum too. In addition, I have explicitly and more than once allowed for the possibility of Moore’s guilt of sexual assault–and still do. So you can stop with the straw men. I’m not concerned with Roy Moore so much, as people who will have the same thing happen to them but will be found too late to have been innocent–like Dean Nicole Eramo and the Duke lacrosse team. The new standard of evidence we’ve embraced because we don’t like Roy Moore is going to entrap someone who won’t deserve it. Maybe even Moore doesn’t deserve it–too soon to tell–WHICH IS MY ENTIRE POINT.

    It does need to be evidence that is not sourced from only the word of one person, like Corfman’s, and like Nelson’s–Jackie Coakley’s story was only from one person no matter how many people Rolling Stone interviewed who told them what Jackie told them (and there were many)–preferably contemporaneous, and preferably evidence of the actual accusation (“signed yearbook”!= “attempted rape”). There’s lots of evidence that could fit that bill.

    But only one person’s word for the event having happened is in my opinion not enough to treat as provisionally true. ESPECIALLY now that the national media has abandoned any sense of responsibility . ESPECIALLY since the political stakes are high. ESPECIALLY given the decades’ old nature of the allegations. ESPECIALLY with how hard it would be to assemble exculpatory evidence and how long it would take.

    ESPECIALLY given the media’s record of “report shocking allegations now, have Columbia Journalism Review explain what we did wrong later.”

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  108. I guess some people like drinking (or throwing out) 13 cups of burned coffee. Seems an expensive way to brew coffee if you only want the first cup.
    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/14/2017 @ 11:27 am

    I brew about two 12’s on my work days. What I don’t drink goes in a thermos or is iced coffee on days off.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  109. A date, I suppose, would mean took them some place and paid for some food or entertainment.
    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e) — 11/14/2017 @ 11:34 am

    Keep your receipts ladies.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  110. They have a nice little basket for putting whatever coffee you want in a Keurig but the grind can’t be too fine.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  111. I drink 1/2 to 2/3 of a pot on the avg work day, what doesn’t get taken care of same day gets iced and starts the new day while I wait for the new 14 cup fresh batch to finish.

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  112. “They stand to lose far more by ticked off Hannity fans then they do in some incremental pickup from Hannity haters (who are likely to be coffee snobs anyway).

    So they back down.“

    That’s funny, after reading your post 107, I had YOU pigeonholed as a coffee snob

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  113. That was an argument of cost and efficiency, not of taste, flavor, process or origin of beans.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  114. @116 Fred, you’re still not being candid – or so it seems to me. You write There’s lots of evidence that could fit that bill. — referring apparently to evidence which you would consider justifying a fair-minded individual in concluding (outside the strictures of the courtroom) that Moore probably did engage in highly questionable (and quite possibly -slash- probably illegal) behavior with young things back in the day. I invite you to paint out some scenarios of what type of evidence that might be. Isn’t it the case that in a “he said / she said” scenario, (almost ?) invariably you (if you apply your Moore mores and criteria) will come down on the side of “I cannot in fairness -slash- I refuse to come to any opinion”, irrespective of additional evidence such as a creepily signed yearbook (including “Love, Roy Moore”)?

    So yes, please candidly sketch out a scenario or two of the lots of evidence that could fit that bill. [Emphasis added] Recalling that you also declare categorically that It does need to be evidence that is not sourced from only the word of one person (whatever it is that you may mean by “sourced” – which you might consider spelling out with some considerably greater precision, by the bye.)

    Q! (86710c)

  115. Oh Colonel

    My Colonel

    No Homo

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  116. A date, I suppose, would mean took them some place and paid for some food or entertainment.

    Or drove them behind a dumpster and tried to forcibly sodomize them.

    Dave (445e97)

  117. No juche Dave, quite theosite.

    narciso (d1f714)

  118. Or drove them behind a dumpster and tried to forcibly sodomize them.
    Dave (445e97) — 11/14/2017 @ 3:27 pm

    No, you’re thinking American Horror Story: Cult.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  119. That dumpster fire , is concluding tonight, how many tabs went into their production metting

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. @Q!:So yes, please candidly sketch out a scenario or two

    So you can lie about me some more, and say that I am unreasonable and would reject anything but those specific scenarios that I have time to think of and list out of possible millions? No, thanks, I been trolled before.

    Contemporaneous records or witnesses establishing a date, a narrow time interval, and the presence of the participants to each act would be a great start, but would not be the only form of evidence I would accept. But it was that level of detail that led to the debunking of Jackie Coakley’s claims, none of which were presented in that Rolling Stone article, or in this one. Of course 40 years after the fact it’s practically impossible to produce that level of detail, which is exactly the point of publicizing these allegations at this time–because they could have been publicized at any time.

    For example, who can say now where and whose car was parked by the restaurant dumpster at any time, or how visible it was from the street or the sidewalk, or any of the million questions that would be gone over in a crime that took place recently? We don’t even know what date that assault is supposed to have taken place–supposedly sometime after December 22, 1977, but how long after? 40 years ago, what’s your alibi for every evening for a whole season and who can confirm it?

    Phi Kappa Psi had this problem with Rolling Stone, they were asked to comment but weren’t given a date. Had they been given a date, they could have shown, as they later did, that there was no house function at that date. But they weren’t, so they couldn’t, and so Rolling Stone rushed to print.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  121. The Attorney General of the United States of America, former Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions, said Tuesday under oath while testifying at a Congressional hearing that he had “no reason to doubt” the women who have made sexual misconduct allegations against Alabama Republican Senate nominee Roy Moore.

    “Oh my!” – George Takei

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  122. So JS recused himself once again. Did Sheila Jackson Lee find those footprints and American Flag on Mars yet?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  123. @130 Dear, Dear Fred. I don’t know what lies I have told about you. I certainly did not intend any such thing, and you don’t point out what ruffles your feathers in this regard.

    Of course 40 years after the fact it’s practically impossible to produce that level of detail

    Of course it is. That’s my point. So why don’t you just admit that you demand the impossible, and that you reject the evidence that is not impossible (as being potentially sufficient under the circumstances), and just call it a day. That would be the more honest approach, wouldn’t it? And a good bit less wordy than you’ve been.

    Here’s some potential language you might consider adopting in this regard (or not, as is your wont):

    Under any reasonably-imagined set of circumstances, as regards 40 year old allegations of wrongdoing of a “he said-she said” nature, it is all-but guaranteed that any reasonably fair-minded person will be unable to put credence in those allegations.

    I believe that the above is a fair characterization of your position, with which I (and quite a few other human beings) simply disagree. Quite strongly disagree.

    Q! (86710c)

  124. I tried to sale my Keurig at a yard sale. No one would take it. Not even when I lowered price to $5. I ended up taking to a thrift store. Lousy contraption doesn’t even make *hot* coffee, let alone a full cup. Meh.

    Dana (023079)

  125. @Q!:I believe that the above is a fair characterization of your position, with which I (and quite a few other human beings) simply disagree. Quite strongly disagree.

    I disagree that the snippet you excised and summarized represents a fair characterization of my position.

    “At least a week later, Nelson said Moore offered to give her a ride home after her shift ended. Nelson said she accepted the offer and planned to call her boyfriend after she arrived home. Instead of getting on the highway, she alleged, Moore parked in the back of the restaurant. ”

    Seriously, a date and a time are too much detail to expect, at all? The name of some of the employees or regulars who were there that night and can say that those two, or even one of them, were there? Make and model of the car, or even its color?

    If Moore didn’t do it there is nothing there he can respond to. If the date were given, let’s say December 28th, the he might at least be able to say he was at his brother-in-law’s house or an office party or something which could actually be checked out. But “at least a week” later, how many days is he supposed to account for to prove he didn’t do it?

    I sincerely, without any sort of snark, hope you never find yourself in the position of being accused of serious charges without enough detail for you to meaningfully respond to them.

    If it is too much too expect the accuser to provide enough detail that the charge could be refuted, then in basic fairness it is too much to expect the accused to have to refute the charge.

    Frederick (c42085)

  126. This is the political version of the murder rap in my cousin vinny

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. For those who want to avoid both Keurig and wasted coffee, Black and Decker has a single serve coffee maker which Amazon remember the Patterico link sells for $20.99. Walmart and others sell it as well. I’ve used it for several years. 12 ounces of water, two small scoops of ground coffee or a K-pod, your choice, takes five minutes or less to make a mug of coffee. I get it going, make the rest of my breakfast and by the time that’s ready, so is the coffee.

    kishnevi (ceb37f)

  128. @narcisco:This is the political version of the murder rap in my cousin vinny

    In “My Cousin Vinny” there was unmistakeable and objective evidence that a crime had occurred. This, on the other hand, is everything Columbia Journalism Review said not to do when reporting on rape. There’s lots here, potentially, that could hang this around Moore’s neck–or exonerate him–but none of it appears to be followed up on. Maybe Allred did and is holding it back?

    But all we have now is narratives without any detail to check to even know if a crime occurred. Ms Nelson’s narrative:

    A week or two later I was working at the restaurant.

    So anywhere between Dec 23 and January 7. That’s a lot of days to have to respond to. Unless you’re on vacation, you were bound to be home doing nothing one of those days.

    My shift ended at 10pm when the restaurant closed.

    So everyone is leaving. Was it just her and Moore there? Who else was there? If it was just her and Moore, someone had to be the last employee to leave before she did, before close. But there’s usually people in the back of the house well after closing, who might they have been and do they have anything to say? She’s the waitress at she leaves at 10 on the dot, she’s not cleaning up the kitchen with Mel or closing the register and doing books with Flo, or even sweeping and mopping with Vera, but those jobs needed to be done and surely she can remember someone.

    It was a cold night and I went outside to wait for my boyfriend to pick me up and drive me home. My boyfriend was late.

    Her shift ends at 10 pm, the restaurant is closed. So at 10:01 she concludes her boyfriend is late?

    Mr. Moore exited the restaurant at the same time as I did. He noticed that my boyfriend was not there and he offered me a ride home.

    Did Mel and Flo and Vera let him hang around inside after close? Not unheard of, but either Moore and Nelson were both there quite some time after 10 pm, or she just assumed her boyfriend was late after maybe, what, 5 minutes? Either circumstance seems a little puzzling.

    I did not want to wait outside in the cold so I agreed. I wanted to call my boyfriend but this was before cell phones and I had no way to contact him. My home was only about two and a half miles away. I planned to call my boyfriend after I got home to let him know that I had gotten a ride home and that there was no need for him to pick me up.

    Clearly her boyfriend must not be far away, or she would surely give him a few more minutes in case he was halfway. And if she’s expecting him, and he lives close, then he could be there any minute.

    Mr. Moore was wearing brown hush puppies on his feet. He drove a two door car. I believe that it was an old car, but I do not recall the model.

    Not even the color? Not even of the interior? Didn’t see a badge indicating make?

    However, instead of driving to the street he stopped the car and parked his car in between the dumpster and the back of the restaurant where there were no lights. The area was dark and deserted. I was alarmed and I immediately asked him what he was doing.

    So they didn’t leave the restaurant and her boyfriend was expected any minute? Too bad Mel or Flo or Vera didn’t take the trash out to the dumpster, he could have averted the attempted rape.

    I was making my way to the front of the restaurant when my boyfriend arrived. It was late and it was dark.

    How late? Have we got a time? Had Mel and Flo and Vera finished cleaning up by now? And since this was December/January hadn’t it been dark since about 6 o clock? Lucky for Moore the boyfriend, who lives close, is only just getting there now. But what does the boyfriend say? Does he remember why he was late? What did she say his name was? Oh, she didn’t. Maybe Ms Allred knows and asked him.

    The day after Mr. Moore assaulted me I called the restaurant and quit my job. I never went there again.

    Great, let’s find a record of what day that was and see if Moore has an alibi. Is that just impossible to expect? Maybe the boyfriend can help us remember what day it was when he picked you up and you quit your job the next day? I’m sure Ms Allred with all her resources can help with that.

    Frederick (c42085)

  129. The tl; dr version of what I said is that there are any number of things in Ms. Nelson’s statement that could in principle be followed up on and confirmed or refuted, but for some reason aren’t, or if they have been we are not getting to see what came out of it. Other people working at the restaurant that night, is there a contemporaneous record of what her last day of work was, why her boyfriend was late and how far away he lived and if he remembers what time he got there, or even what his name was. Not to mention the date or even the day of the week, or what color or make was the car.

    Frederick (c42085)

  130. This why I still suspect a frame, but some here insist its groundhog day, and whole sale defamation through narrative saturation has never happened before.

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. @narcisco:This why I still suspect a frame

    Actually, you know I don’t; at least as far as the dates or attempted dates with high-school girls goes.

    And Corfman’s story, though we don;t have any detail on it, I found plausible but regrettably unsubstantiated.

    But Nelson and Allred, that’s a tougher one to accept uncritically, and perhaps those two have overreached.

    Frederick (c42085)

  132. Only if you avveot the narrative hews trawling for teenagers which didn’t seem plausible till this week.

    narciso (d1f714)

  133. @narcisco:Only if you avveot the narrative hews trawling for teenagers which didn’t seem plausible till this week.

    Some people here were pretty disposed to believe it… if the four women who said that wanted to make something up they certainly could have made up more than that. Of course now that Allred’s and the rest of the media frenzy is in the mix it’s just going to be that much harder to establish who knew what when.

    Frederick (c42085)

  134. Frederick, most of what you are asking for as evidence is lost in the mist of time. Can you remember what you were doing on January 22, 1977 at 10:00 PM to that level of specificity? (If you’re old enough: if you ever stated your age here, I missed it.) Unless something unusually dramatic happened (and since she says she essentially told no one, the others would probably think nothing dramatic happened) the evening would not stand out in your memory from any other Saturday evening of winter 1977. If you’re like me, you would have to check online or with a calendar to even know what day of the week it was. (I picked the date randomly and then looked.)

    The one person who should remember anything unusual is the boyfriend. He could be found (assuming he’s alive) and asked if he remembers any nights he was supposed to take her home, but didn’t. If he had a temper, he would probably have been angry at her not being there.

    BTW, I think “boyfriend was late” can be explained rather simply: a lot of men arrive anywhere between five and thirty minutes early to pick up their girlfriend/wife, spending it in conversation, cadging a free soda, etc. By late she probably meant he usually arrived before closing time, but did not that night.

    kishnevi (158466)

  135. Nit much more, they were. Mostly i disposed toward Moore fro. The beginning. Because of his unwilling
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    narciso (d1f714)

  136. I don’t even remember when the transition from garbage cans to dumpsters began or how it spread. I remember the trash can to roll out for residential began where I lived in the 80’s. Before that garbage trucks had a three man crew.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  137. @kishnevi:Frederick, most of what you are asking for as evidence is lost in the mist of time. Can you remember what you were doing on January 22, 1977 at 10:00 PM to that level of specificity?

    This is exactly my point. If it is too much to expect an accuser to provide these details, then it is too much to expect the accused to have to refute them. But no one is even asking. How can any one follow up on what is not even asked?

    Again, consult Columbia Journalism Review’s report on “A Rape on Campus” where they advise what to do in this very situation.

    I was about six months old January 22, 1977. But I had high-school and college jobs and while I don’t remember every detail, I do remember things like first names of people I worked with, who had what job, and what needed to be done at closing and how long it took. I remember at least the colors of the cars of people I worked with, and for people I knew well I remember make or model. I remember the names of girlfriends and how far they lived from me and where.

    If she left at 10 on the dot, and Mel and Vera and Flo had already gone, then who did all that work? Was it her? Then what was Moore doing all that time? Surely she can remember the name of one other person she worked with who could at least verify that Moore was a regular, sat in the same place every night, and that they routinely bailed on Nelson every night and left her alone to do all the clean-up and accounting while creepy lawyers hung around.

    Frederick (c42085)

  138. @kishnevi: And you know what? Nelson might have an explanation for all these things. And somewhere in their would emerge a detail that could be checked, one way or another. But she’s not even been asked. It’s somehow out of bounds to even ask. That’s fundamentally my objection, about how little we are willing to go on to treat a horrible accusation as true.

    Frederick (c42085)

  139. Closing time at a restaurant doesn’t mean jack to insiders. Everything from side work to the grill to sweeping and mopping depends on when the last customer leaves. Which isn’t always at closing time.

    Austin, TX Yogurt Shop Murders

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  140. @Pinandpuller:Which isn’t always at closing time.

    You’re right. If Moore was an insider, tolerated after closing–then all the people who worked there knew who he was and can back up this story.

    So let’s get one name, even one first name. Mel and Vera and Flo can do at least that much.

    Frederick (c42085)

  141. Surely Mel and Vera and Flo will remember that night Roy Moore hung till after close and Becky quit the next day. Maybe one of them will even be able to say if it was December or January. But not one name, that I’ve heard.

    Frederick (c42085)

  142. With the army of reporters there right now, I’m sure that Mel and Flo and Vera will be found and asked about it–and someone will say something that can be checked about who was where when and what night it was.

    If anyone still cares to know.

    Frederick (c42085)

  143. Depends how much money, soroa, steyer and conpany are throwing around not to mention the top men, remember something north of 20 million was spent in the primary. The accusation is supposed to preclude logical analysis.

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. @Narcisco:The accusation is supposed to preclude logical analysis.

    Well, logical analysis can wait for the Columbia Journalism Review of what we did wrong.

    Frederick (c42085)

  145. @pinandpuller: Thanks for the link, absorbing and disturbing reading.

    Frederick (c42085)

  146. Take the care down near here in Sanford, abc (gutman) NBC (Luciano among others) the new uorj times (alvarez), the Atlantic preferred omitted details from the getgo.

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. Frederick (c42085) — 11/14/2017 @ 7:19 pm

    A quadruple rape and murder and arson. Loads of eyewitnesses from before closing. Including, IIRC, an off duty cop. That case was investigated right after the fact and it was a mess.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  148. @Pinandpuller:That case was investigated right after the fact and it was a mess.

    Maybe it’s time we asked Roy Moore where he was that night and who can vouch for it. But at least in that case there was unmistakably a murder, and we know what night it was.

    Frederick (c42085)

  149. How about why did he use two different pens to write the message and his signature?

    Close Up Yearbook

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  150. @Pinandpuller:A quadruple rape and murder and arson.

    Wow. In this case, they got false convictions by using each defendant’s false confession as evidence to corroborate the other defendant’s false confession. They were tried separately obviously.

    Frederick (c42085)

  151. Frederick:point taken. But one crinckle: Mel, Flo, etc may no longer be alive. If Mel was 35 then, Mel would now be 73. Plenty of people don’t make it that far, unfortunately.

    kishnevi (158466)

  152. Mel died at like 55 for the record. Vic Tayback. Something like that.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  153. @kishnevi:But one crinckle: Mel, Flo, etc may no longer be alive

    Yeah. And maybe the payroll records are lost, and no one can check the state registration to see what make and model car Moore had in 1977, like if he had a flashy new four-door car or a fancy pickup truck.

    I think, in basic fairness, if a charge cannot be made specific enough to refute, then it is unfair to expect the accused to refute it. If it can be made specific enough, then it ought to be checked out before we assume it’s true.

    Frederick (c42085)

  154. @Pinandpuller: Vera has passed on too young as well, but Flo is still with us.

    Frederick (c42085)

  155. There are people who test paintings for authenticity. They can fluoresce the writing and possibly see if the writing was all done at the same time. I know, tinfoil hat time.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  156. Vera was a dingbat but sweet. I just saw Alice on some new show. Superior Donuts???

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  157. @Pinandpuller:They can fluoresce the writing and possibly see if the writing was all done at the same time.

    DCSCA was going to check with the boys down at the crime lab, but Gloria Allred said that you see with your eyes and not with your hands so he wasn’t able to get the results.

    Frederick (c42085)

  158. 160
    I think the color change is a photo artifact. But I read the signature as Roy, not Ray. Merry Christmas concludes the sentence.

    The date:12-22-77: seems to me to be a a different handwriting, specifically the typical handwriting of a teenage girl from that time. I would suggest Nelson herself wrote it in later. Possibly just after he signed, possibly just before she gave it to Allred, or anytime between.

    The oddity about a yearbook signed at Yuletide is something I myself pointed out last night.

    kishnevi (158466)

  159. I guess some people are saying it’s the optics of the camera causing the color shift.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  160. @kishnevi:The oddity about a yearbook signed at Yuletide is something I myself pointed out last night.

    I got mine at the end of summer my junior year and then had people sign it all year. That wasn’t unusual where I went to school.

    I knew someone whose mother had crossed out all her own yearbook photos and written her own name over someone else’s, which was just one of the many weird things that mother was known for.

    Frederick (c42085)

  161. In 1977, Nelson was Beverly Young, a sophomore at Southside, in the same class as Moore’s future wife, Kayla Kisor. Southside is in Etowah County outside Gadsden, just over the Coosa River.

    Young’s picture is in the “Adventus” yearbook among the sophomores.

    Should be able to find out the date the yearbook was printed by the publisher.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  162. u/sasslfrassl45[S] 2 points an hour ago

    I’d tend to agree with you except that the Y in Roy and the 12 right next to it are completely different. That’s not a smooth gradient, that’s a stark difference.

    I believe she chose a pen ink that looks very similar in certain lighting conditions – enough to make it look like it was the same thing, but in other lighting conditions – boom. You see different colors because of the different ink properties. This happens all the time. Ink is very hard to duplicate. Even if you buy the same kind of pen/ink, you may get different colors because the manufacturer changed its chemical composition in the latest batch. Sometimes the change is from the suppliers rather than from the manufacturer. It’s a very finicky business, which is why this is so significant. She used two different pens.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  163. @168. Fox’s Hannity issues Moore ultimatum tonight: has 24 hours to explain inconsistences in his story: denial of knowing Nelson yet his dated/localed signature is in her yearbook or leave the race. Guess Sean was tipped him off on the lab results— or more evidence in waiting.

    I’ll be going now. You’ve been very helpful, sir.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  164. @DCSCA:or more evidence in waiting.

    “More evidence” would be most welcome.

    I’ll be going now.

    You keep saying so.

    Frederick (c42085)

  165. The forgers of the killian memo, didn’t think they’d vet. Caught either after this was Dan rather who had faced Nixon. So much feltercarb (that’s from. battlestar Galactica classic) they delude themselves with. Of course the producers at starz bought it hook line and sinker.

    narciso (d1f714)

  166. But who is cookie,

    narciso (d1f714)

  167. has 24 hours to explain inconsistences in his story: denial of knowing Nelson yet his dated/localed signature is in her yearbook or leave the race

    Wow, how does Hannity have the power to do that? Why did no one do that with Trump? Or Hillary?

    Hillary, you have 24 hours to refute the charge you had Seth Rich killed or LEAVE THE RACE!!!eleventy!!!

    Frederick (c42085)

  168. Sassafras, or whatever their name is, is observing the difference I referred to: the date and restaurant name are in a girl’s handwriting, and not Moore’s. The difference is not the ink but the handwriting.

    The explanation might be entirely innocent: she wrote down the date and location to pinpoint who Roy Moore was for reference in future life, possibly even before the alleged incident. Or possibly just before she gave the book to Allred, as I said.

    Interesting that she was a classmate of the woman who is now Mrs Moore. Whose age it would seem we now know.

    kishnevi (158466)

  169. @kishnevi:Interesting that she was a classmate of the woman who is now Mrs Moore. Whose age it would seem we now know.

    Would be hilarious if his current wife was his then alibi.

    Frederick (c42085)

  170. That Keurig boycott must be really hurting Hannity.

    kishnevi (158466)

  171. That would point occams razor way, how many times has alred misrepresented.

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. At least we know Seth Rich WAS killed and what day that was.

    But where was Moore then, that’s what I want to know, no one has proved he WASN’T there.

    Frederick (c42085)

  173. Not likely,given the official version of their marriage (that they met after she was divorced and with one daughter), and it would mean he was dating a 16 year old (Kayla) at that time.

    kishnevi (158466)

  174. @kishnevi:it would mean he was dating a 16 year old (Kayla) at that time.

    That’s why I would say it was hilarious.

    Frederick (c42085)

  175. I have come to realize reality is often stranger than one can imagine e.

    narciso (d1f714)

  176. @181 possibly someone explained to him that it’s considered a bad idea to attack one of your own show’s sponsors.

    Davethulhu (6a4a84)

  177. Poor Freddo. You were tagged out at first but keep running the bases.

    He apparently doesn’t collect autographs. Or know some of the basics of signature pattern verification to the eye– like crossover, feathering, stops and starts… and if you’re willing to get into the expense, ink chemistry and its oxidation over time- a good lab can narrow the type/age of the ink used– easily to the decade and manufacturer for the right price. You can even check your heritage these days, Freddo– 23&Me- $49.99 at CVS. See if you’re from the Red Planet for Christmas.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  178. a good lab can narrow the type/age of the ink used

    That’s good to know sir. There’s just one thing I was hoping you could help me with. What lab was that you said again, that’s doing the work?

    Anyway, I hope you can clear up that one thing for me. Before you go.

    Frederick (c42085)

  179. $49.99 at CVS, Freddo. Maybe it’s Planet of the Apes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  180. Why didn’t Moore and his wife run across fake Shirley McClain at a class reunion? I worked with a gal at a FF place. We did a little drinking and necking one night after work. She showed up at my wife’s reunion 20 years later and I went to the HS across town from them in a city of 50k. I didn’t mention it and I’m sure she didn’t either.

    Mark Hoffan the Mormon Forger Bomber

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  181. @DCSCA:$49.99 at CVS, Freddo.

    I’ll look into that sir, thanks for the tip. Now about the name of that lab, can you help me out with that? Before you go? Because you keep bringing it up, and I sure would like to know what tests they’re going to do to clear this all up.

    But I have this problem, see, I don’t know which lab it is. You seem to know all about it, so I thought I’d ask you again for the name, before you go.

    Frederick (c42085)

  182. Gee, Freddo, you’ll have to ask Lt. Columbo after the forth station break. Maybe Macmillan and Wife and McCloud could help you out. Seems awfully important to you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  183. There should be a way to tell if the ink was applied at about the same time. I suppose someone could find an old pen in grandma’s attic to try to keep it real. This kind of tech wasn’t around 40 years after the Shroud of Turin debuted.

    On a side note, I am loving the Columbo fan fiction. Moore please!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  184. @DCSCA:Seems awfully important to you.

    Not really. Reached my limit on suffering trolls for the day, is all.

    Be a nice change for Gloria Allred though, a claim that can be tested in a lab. Worth something for the novelty.

    Frederick (c42085)

  185. You could hold the yearbook up to a candle in case they used lemon juice or urine to leave a secret treasure map.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  186. @196. Yes, you must be tired of getting over yourself. But good news, Freddo- Nelson wants to go under oath and testify to a Senate committee on this. And Monk wants in on the case, too!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  187. You can do anything with an imaginary lab, Frederick. Real ones are not as reliable.

    nk (dbc370)

  188. @199. Nk, he must be a Perry Mason man; everything is black and white.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  189. @Pinandpuller:On a side note, I am loving the Columbo fan fiction.

    I’m too young for the show so I think I will see if I can find it online somewhere.

    I read about Mark Hofman long ago. His plan was to forge things that were mildly embarrassing to the Church and so they would have them bought and suppressed. And then he killed some people over it.

    Thanks for the link to the yogurt murders. Looking back on when I worked in similar jobs when I was young, some of the shady people who came in, makes you wonder.

    Frederick (c42085)

  190. On a side side note I went to school with a guy who shares Jason Bourne’s real name and he went into the Army 30 years ago and I have heard and seen zero of him since. Hmmmmm.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  191. @197- P&P! -Or scrape it for skin flakes and swab for DNA residue… gee, maybe even fingerprints– that Olde Hickory House cooked up some greasy Alabama pig ribs back in them days.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  192. I’m too young for the show so I think I will see if I can find it online somewhere.

    Then you’ve got a lot to learn– and some well written and crafted television to enjoy on the side, Freddo.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  193. The real Jason Bourne was an australian criminal turned mercenary who turned up in this foreign legion type society, medusa, David Webb was an american academic living in Thailand driven into the same organization where he became a Kurtz like commando

    narciso (d1f714)

  194. For DSCA:The Principle. Your clue is “Columbo”, what’s the connection?

    Frederick (c42085)

  195. Let’s wrap that yearbook up with Crystal Mangrum and Katlyn Faber’s underwear to keep it safe and send it to Russia.

    Bryan Fogel Exposes Russian Doping

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  196. @190 What lab was that you said again, that’s doing the work?

    If you don’t think Allred has such report(s) in her pocket, you’re damn … “unimaginative”, let us say.

    And my bet is that Roy-Boy-Toy (or at least his advisers) favor a like conclusion (reports in the pocket).

    Prepare for nothing but bluster and bs from Hizzoner tomorrow. ‘Cause if he calls “forgery”, it won’t be pretty. Well, it won’t be pretty for Moore, in the eyes of most reasonable human beings.

    That’s my bet, anyways (as I suggested earlier; @95 (me) @105 (you))

    Though, knowing you, Fred, you’ll spin out 7 ways from Sunday why that doesn’t really settle anything at all. And you’ll be kind of right – in a Shelton/Big Bang sort of way.

    Q! (86710c)

  197. David Webb was an american academic living in Thailand driven into the same organization where he became a Kurtz like commando
    narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2017 @ 9:34 pm

    Or was he…?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  198. @208. Kate made for a lousy Mrs. Columbo; she wasn’t right for it so the series was killed– by the network.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  199. @Q!:If you don’t think Allred has such report(s) in her pocket

    I certainly hope she does. The more evidence, the better. That’s what I’ve been saying the whole time, but it’s easier for you to assume I saying something different.

    Though, knowing you, Fred, you’ll spin out 7 ways from Sunday why that doesn’t really settle anything at all.

    I outlined above what form corroboration should take, and made a lot of suggestions. Easier for you to pretend I didn’t, I guess.

    Frederick (c42085)

  200. Columbo is the grandpa in The Zodiac Killer’s favorite movie.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  201. @174 Don’t recall that I’ve ever uttered this before (‘course, I don’t have cable): Good on Hannity.

    Hannity’s joined the cadre of reasonable folks who’ve heard the “accusers” and considered their evidence, and who have heard Moore’s inconsistent statements, and who – quite naturally and human-like – have come to the conclusion that absent convincing additional evidence/explanation from Moore, these gals have the better end of the stick.

    Q! (86710c)

  202. I don’t believe one part of Fake Shirley McClain’s story. Every alley in the 70’s was filled with empty boxes. See every cop show ever.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  203. @DCSCA: she wasn’t right for it

    You got that right. The real Mrs. Columbo would not I think have been so easy to fool.

    Interesting documentary: carefully present highly edited versions of what respected physicists say to give a completely false impression of their views. Physicists are easy to trick because they are not expecting it. James Randi always used to point that out, not just with words, but with tricking them.

    Frederick (c42085)

  204. @Q!:absent convincing additional evidence

    Yes, I hope he still has a day planner or something covering the period of December 22 – January 7 with some other witnesses who can prove that on none of those evenings was he unaccounted for between, say, 9:30 pm and 11:30 pm. Because it’s unreasonable to expect his accusers to have anything, after so much time.

    Frederick (c42085)

  205. @181.That Keurig boycott must be really hurting Hannity.

    Why else would he issue an ultimatum to Moore; his fanbots live on Irish Coffee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  206. In the books Chris Cooper, was the fellow who recruited him and never turned on him.

    narciso (d1f714)

  207. @DCSCA:his fanbots live on Irish Coffee.

    Is that a problem? Something wrong with Irish Coffee? What does Irish Coffee have to do with Keurigs? I use Bushmill’s and keep it in the same cupboard as the coffee which saves the trouble of mixing them up, the whiskey absorbs enough of the aroma I find.

    Frederick (c42085)

  208. @217- Too prim and Mulgrew too pretty, too. Especially after years of asides about her by the rumpled detective. Someone that put together would never have let her husband go out to work dressed like an unmade bed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  209. Adam 12…Adam 12 …see the man at Olde Hickory House..

    Malloy: Adam 12 to base…never heard of the place.

    Reed: We’ve been off the air for two years now.

    Malloy: We were created by Jack Webb. I wonder how his son is doing in Thailand?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  210. @221. Not for me. It is for Hannity and Fox. He’s the last stone in their shoes. If they can find an excuse they’ll have him move on. He wants to inherit Limbaugh’s audience and slot one day anyway. Will likely get it, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  211. Lol, I hadn’t made that connection, I remember that show and swat,

    narciso (d1f714)

  212. @223. “This is the city; Gadsden, Alabama. It was Thursday, December 22. My name’s Friday…”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  213. @217. Postscript. Randi was good. First saw him as a kid doing magic tricks on NYC’s WNEW Ch. 5, Wonderama w/Sonny Fox in the early ’60s. Sammy probably remembers that epic show.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  214. @DCSCA:Randi was good. First saw him as a kid doing magic tricks on NYC’s WNEW Ch. 5

    Email him and tell him so, he’s still with us, and won’t be forever.

    Frederick (c42085)

  215. Breaking– Cowboy Hat will no longer cover for Moore; Issues liner: ‘hang it up.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  216. Now some they do and some they don’t,
    And some you just can’t tell;
    And some they will and some they won’t,
    With some, it’s just as well.

    Good night, strangers.

    nk (dbc370)

  217. @229 Much obliged for the link, there, narciso. If the letter is genuine, I fear Hizzoner’s legal team is a tad on the . . . dull . . . side. E.g.,

    Your client as an entity has also carelessly and perhaps allowed general slander to the reputation of my clients . . .

    Let the games begin, indeed!

    Q! (86710c)

  218. @234 whoops:

    Your client as an entity has also carelessly and perhaps allowed general slander to the reputation of my clients . . .

    should read:

    Your client as an entity has also carelessly and perhaps allowed general slander and libel to the reputation of my clients . . .

    Apologies. But, to repeat: let the games begin!

    Q! (86710c)

  219. @233. Q- Analysis by Twitter and TV talking heads is silly– a good autograph collector or document analyst can ferret this out with certainty in a few days. You look at the strokes, the crossovers, the feathering, stop-starts, and loop patterns. There’s letter patterns and spacing people consistently make over time and are easy to spot if you look at multiple samples. And, of course, analysis of any oxidation in the ink can narrow down the manufacturer and decade.

    Don’t really have a dog in this hunt- it’s a win if he wins and a win if he loses to me– but speaking from a collector’s POV– and been collecting autographs for nearly 50 years– the signature patterns in some key sections of his lettering in the sample signatures are consistent and a good match.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  220. Check on eBay– several signature samples of Roy Moore can be seen there– some may be autopenned for books or bookplates– some in person– some not. FWIW, it’s a fun hobby– especially going through old books. Best personal find- Charles Lindbergh signature dated w/locale in an old aircraft observation manual from 1944; found it in an old book store in Barnegat, NJ- cost me $1. Second best score– two books for a quarter each– one signed by Jim Irwin; the other by Charlie Duke– two of the twelve Apollo moonwalkers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  221. Sorry guys, it was “One Adam 12…One Adam 12, see the man…”

    I’d really like to know if RM and Fake SM crossed paths at his wife’s class reunions. There had to be at least two or three opportunities.

    Pinandpuller (eb10e1)

  222. Patterico,

    I worry these Trumpers might get so upset at you mocking them, one might SWAT you. ESPECIALLY after seeing the video of them smashing their own property like that, tells me they are very impulsive.

    John McKellan (a50252)

  223. I’d rather slap you, Johnny boy.

    mg (60b0f7)


  224. I worry these Trumpers might get so upset at you mocking them, one might SWAT you. ESPECIALLY after seeing the video of them smashing their own property like that, tells me they are very impulsive.
    John McKellan (a50252)

    So you think “these Trumpers” are impulsive for smashing a coffee maker? Then what are your thoughts about leftists that shoot Congressmen?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  225. You know, Paul Finebaum would outpoll Doug Jones and actually beat the play cowboy.

    urbanleftbehind (a69ce6)

  226. The earlier link makes it unlikely that Moore was trawling diners and malls, what is the alternate explanation, maybe Mrs Nelson was a stalker enabled by Alred. It’s not out of the question

    narciso (d1f714)

  227. I had a real forgery case which that also involved bank fraud. My client was an accountant who prepared a financial statement for his client. That person’s mortgage broker photocopied my client’s signature on a false financial statement and then faxed it to the bank which was to fund the loan.

    You cannot tell from copies. The original must be examined. And there are simpler thing to look for than ink chemistry. Such as hesitations and pauses and variations in the depth of the impressions when the signature is traced.

    nk (dbc370)

  228. that

    nk (dbc370)

  229. @243 FYI, narciso, the earlier link” (@227) doesn’t link to anything in particular (aside from the head of the twitter feed). At least on my PC, it doesn’t.

    Q! (86710c)

  230. except for this signature i can tell it’s phony just by looking at it on the internet

    it’s too silly

    this honey boo boo’s a nasty piece of work that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  231. Wictor’ S twitter biography of moore,

    narciso (d1f714)

  232. If it seems like Sean Hannity is demanding and acts like he runs the Party, well….. maybe he does. Hannity, as well as his shill competitors Mark Levin and Laura Ingraham do seem to control the Republican voter’s perception of reality. Rush is kind of a “has been” in my opinion but he still has a lot of listeners.

    I stopped listening to Hannity years ago because he doesn’t stop screaming. Same for Levin. Who can listen to that? Why would you want to?

    Can you imagine dealing with them in real life? Invite them to Thanksgiving dinner and see how many relatives show up for next years turkey dinner.

    noel (b4d580)

  233. That should read “shrill” competitors but…. maybe it works either way.

    noel (b4d580)

  234. @248 Yeah, like I said. Maybe you were wanting folks to scroll to this tweet of Wictor’s in his feed?:

    (1) Just to be clear:

    Everything I’ve written about Roy Moore is MY OWN viewpoint, and I don’t expect everyone to agree with me.

    If you DON’T support him, all it says is that you don’t support him.

    It’s a big ol’ world, with room for lots of viewpoints.

    Q! (86710c)

  235. We have seen this m.o of the party bigwigs before in Colorado when there preferred candidate dropped out, then they raised a kerfluffle over McMillan, which was clarified later after his reputation had been demolished

    narciso (d1f714)

  236. Yes he doesn’t mean it to be definitive but as close a reconstruction of the period as possible.

    narciso (d1f714)

  237. Invite them to Thanksgiving dinner and see how many relatives show up for next years turkey dinner.

    a lot of times this depends on if you have tasty food or not and it doesn’t even have to be super-traditional so what I like to do is a small turkey with stuffings but then have other entrees as well this way it is very tasty and people enjoy the thanksgiving, which is a holiday for us to say thank you to GOD not to President Trump

    Sean Hannity’s just a dirty cable news propaganda slut i don’t really see how he’s relevant to the goings-on in America

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  238. He is up against Hopkinson no 1 fan rocky maddow, and some spawn of cthlurhu on Cnn, who else gives real investigative reportersike Sarah carter an airing?

    narciso (d1f714)

  239. Hannity is actually a lot easier to take on radio, where he comes across as a more bro-ey Regis Philbin.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  240. About the basilisk veracity;

    https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/930780318981861379

    I’m guessing more than likely they put it out themselves like the dossier.

    narciso (d1f714)

  241. Also notable, crazy, is the side tab of Bannon’s “put him in the grave in the allegations are true”.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  242. But over the past few days, Bannon has begun privately taking the temperature of those in his inner circle to see what they think of the Moore allegations and to get their sense of how to proceed, according to four knowledgeable sources. Late last week, the Breitbart chairman said, “I will put him in a grave myself,” if he determines that Moore was lying to him about the numerous accusations, a source close to Bannon relayed.

    I thought the full text was appropriate urban

    Ben burn (d9eacb)

  243. No its not, besides you wouldnt see it coming anyways.

    narciso (d1f714)

  244. Who did he tell, this is like gabe Sherman’s disturbing slash fiction in vanity fair.

    narciso (d1f714)

  245. When do the guardians of Senate virtue turn to one of their own? Silence on Sleaze-Bob Menendez.

    crazy (d99a88)

  246. @262-3 Ben, narciso isn’t much interested in any alternative point of view or narrative, apparently. Even though the people he “links to” may exhibit a fair amount of open-mindedness (@251) , so far as I can tell, narciso’s got his blinders, he’s got his story, and he’s sticking to it.

    Q! (86710c)

  247. I notice patterns, the pigs of the animal farm are just as eager to side with the owners, the da protected David Rivera from straight up fraud as she did Joe garcia.

    narciso (d1f714)

  248. She was renos successor, the former protected an employee of hers in the hot suits case, who went all the way up to
    washington.

    narciso (d1f714)

  249. yes yes the honey boo boo lies make a pig pattern

    oink!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  250. Q. He’s had qualified tutors in hardening off the cortex and armor-plated intransigence.

    Ben burn (d9eacb)

  251. And then I also recall Miriam Alonso and number to Hernandez so I’m rather cynical about these things unlike Edwards fanboi Ben

    narciso (d1f714)

  252. Preparations for Round 2 Begin. [sarc] I’m sure it will be totally nonpartisan. [/sarc]

    crazy (d99a88)

  253. Any right-thinking person needs to know only one thing at this point: Gloria Allrot is pushing this story.

    And the only good thing you can say about Hannity is that he didn’t try to boff the female talent at Faux News. That we know about. As of now.

    nk (dbc370)

  254. They don’t mean to excuse him, but:

    https://jacobinmag.com/2017/11/sayfullo-saipov-attack-nyc-trucking

    narciso (d1f714)

  255. As of now.

    It’s only just begun.

    Ben burn (d9eacb)

  256. @248/249 They’re Trump weather vanes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  257. Who are they gonna believe, you or me?

    Ancient mansplanations uncovered in archaeological dig..

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/14/who-are-they-gonna-believe-you-or-me-texas-prosecutor-fired-after-drunken-uber-tirade/

    Ben burn (d9eacb)

  258. I link tubal, because he is even more cynical than I, re the latest bout of vapors from the top men.

    narciso (d1f714)

  259. Interrupted by a status meeting, but should have linked to Cypress Hill’s How I Could Just Kill a Man following post #259.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  260. Jubal, plus his a linguistics expert and a Texan.

    narciso (d1f714)

  261. Yeah, I thought Levin was a long time holdout/big-time Cruzer, perhaps for perception of Nazi in the T-man.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  262. After khomenis and the ortegas this was one of ‘adultery of the hearts’ greatest catastrophes

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5081687/Tanks-Zimbabwe-head-military-warned-Mugabe.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  263. Mngawa is at best a kruschev figure, its a good thing muzorewa isn’t around.

    narciso (d1f714)

  264. silly article but awesome photo

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  265. Gender neutral in a pig’s ear! Mother Earth will always be Mother Earth to me.

    nk (dbc370)

  266. Late last week, the Breitbart chairman said, “I will put him in a grave myself,” if he determines that Moore was lying to him about the numerous accusations, a source close to Bannon relayed.

    Yes, Cosmo Pigmeat is a legend in his own mind, isn’t he. McConnell torpedoed Moore and Bannon wants to claim the kill.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  267. The way they shot that first photo, happy, I thought it was a statue similar to The Motherland Calls.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  268. People Are Strange Luther Is Strange

    Luther is Strange, Doug Jones is stranger
    teh women were too young, Moore threw ‘em a bone
    Allred is wicked, she’s in it for money
    Mcturtle is not helping, polls are down

    Luther Strange
    Come in, come out of the rain
    Luther Strange
    Forget to remember your name
    Luther Strange
    Luther Strange
    Luther Strange

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  269. 1978-1979 was the year of the totalitarian insurgencies, as 1875-1879 were the years of the snuffing of tribal insurgencies in the American West, southern Africa and Japan.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  270. But here’s the kicker: There’s evidence from Hannity’s past that shows he doesn’t even care if these theories are true; all he cares about is whether they feel true to his viewers, because that’s all that matters at the ballot box.

    So when Hannity told his viewers that Moore may not have assaulted a 14-year-old girl — that it’s possible the mainstream media and liberal strategists made this up to take down a political opponent — many believed him. He made it feel true that this was made-up.

    https://www.vox.com/2017/11/15/16649292/hannity-conspiracy-theorist-transcript-data

    Ben burn (d9eacb)

  271. 125.

    A date, I suppose, would mean took them some place and paid for some food or entertainment.

    Or drove them behind a dumpster and tried to forcibly sodomize them.

    Dave (445e97) — 11/14/2017 @ 3:27 pm

    According to Beverly Young Nelson, that wasn’t supposed to be a date – he had offered to drive her home when her boyfriend was late to pick her up.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  272. @Sammy Finkelman:he had offered to drive her home when her boyfriend was late to pick her up.

    See my 139 for the set of follow-up questions that could be checked, to substantiate Nelson’s story, but which no one to my knowledge is asking her.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  273. Long story short, a waitress who leaves at 10 on the dot when the restaurant closes can do so for one of two reasons:

    1) Other employees are handling the post-close work, cleaning the kitchen, the dining area, closing out the tills, doing books: in this case there should have been other people there. Can she name anyone she worked with who could be asked about how long that usually took, what they might have been doing? It was the last night before she quit, she said, so could they help pin down the date, which we only have within a week or two?

    2) She did all that work herself before close, so it was relatively dead, and what was Moore doing that whole time, and who else might have been there who saw him, and who was the last other employee to leave and can they verify they left just Nelson there and if they can remember if Moore was there or not?

    The objection I have been getting is what if those people are dead, or can’t remember anything after so much time has passed? And so I offer as a principle of basic fairness, if it is not reasonable or fair to say that a charge should be made specific enough to refute, it should be reasonable or fair to expect the accused to have to refute it.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  274. it should NOT be reasonable or fair to expect the accused to have to refute it.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  275. We have a hanging to attend to, anything else is immaterial. So carter and Callaghan, decided bishop muzorewa want authentic enough and hence mugabe took over. Across the borders in south Africa, the first head of umkhinto do suzwe mandela chose not to fellow this path, but his successor the corrupt warlord Jacob zuma seems well on his way.

    narciso (d1f714)

  276. Or drove them behind a dumpster and tried to forcibly sodomize them.

    Dave (445e97) — 11/14/2017 @ 3:27 pm

    Quite an overdeveloped imagination there! Dave puts teh “con” in contraception.

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  277. @294 Long story short …

    Fred, if nothing else, you sure know how to make ’em grin! Too too funny! Thanks. Honestly. Thanks.

    Q! (86710c)

  278. We’re past the 12 hour mark, methinks, on the Hannity countdown. Oh, what’s a Hizzoner to do?!?

    Meanwhile, from the AP Wire (emphasis added):

    Hannity said he was troubled by different answers Moore had given to questions about whether he had dated teenage girls. He also noted that Moore had denied knowing a fifth accuser who had charged the future Senate candidate with sexual assault three decades ago, yet it appeared that Moore had written in the teen’s yearbook.

    Two Fox News panelists on Hannity’s show Monday, Jeanine Pirro and Geraldo Rivera, both said after the emergence of the latest accuser that they could not support Moore.

    Also Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, another conservative bellwether, wrote that “a famous country song aptly summed up where the Republicans are with Senate candidate Roy Moore in Alabama: You’ve got to know when to fold ’em.”

    “Mr. Moore’s credibility has fallen below the level of survivability,” the Journal wrote.

    Damn commie traitors! DAMMMNNN their blasted hides!!!!

    Q! (86710c)

  279. @Q!:Fred, if nothing else, you sure know how to make ’em grin!

    Since I explained my position to you when you demanded it, kindly explain why it is so unreasonable to try to find out these details I mentioned, like the date and who else was working that day and what did they see, and why that unreasonableness applies only to the accuser, and not the accused.

    I predict that you won’t, and you will just troll some more, which I will ignore. But I would like you to say something substantive.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  280. Gerald rivers, is this thing on, only Howard stern would be more ironic.h

    narciso (d1f714)

  281. Q! for “Quimby of teh Year”!

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  282. Small towns in the South in the 70’s were safe towns with many homes left unlocked but it’s hard to believe “Mel” or any other grownup at the diner would leave a 16 yr old girl to close up after dark or leave her behind as they did – it just wasn’t done. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, it’s just another quandary in this whole mess.

    crazy (d99a88)

  283. @298. The Mad Mick is the head waiter at the Captain’s table. He wouldn’t have announced his countdown if he didn’t know what’s already on the menu.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  284. Moore’s been getting more media face time than our Captain and he doesn’t like that. He’s already gone and doesn’t know it. Our Captain likes cliffhanger Fridays, too– predict Sessions to be ordered — err, ‘reassigned’ to leave DOJ and become the Alabama write-in and a new AG replace him. Clears the decks for our Captain as he sails into the holidays.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  285. Considering that this is not a court trial, it is an election, will the talking heads accept the will of the Alabama voters when Moore wins 65% to 35%?

    nk (dbc370)

  286. No this is more like Klingon right of ascension, the punishment will end when morale improves.

    narciso (ef9447)

  287. Not as long as key demo ratings stay up

    crazy (d99a88)

  288. @305. If he wins he loses. Congress already has a sexual harassment problem surfacing w/tax $ paying off settlements to unknown government critters to the tune of $15 million and apparently two one an R the other a D, are still in office and remain unnamed. In this climate, Roy is going to get rogered whether he wins or loses.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  289. Republican Roy Moore is trailing Democrat Doug Jones by 12 points in the Alabama special Senate election, according to a poll conducted by the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

    lol

    they’re too cute

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  290. 309. No, that is really possible, except make that around 6 points to account for the fact that people who don’t trust the media are less likely to answer polls. Of course, the decision as to who to vote for could still swing wildly and events could affect this.

    For instance, a promise by Moore to resoign or an appeal by several Republicans of different points of view to vote for him with a promise by 15 Republican Senators to expel him could turn things around.

    Absentee voting started already in October.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  291. 308. DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/15/2017 @ 12:25 pm

    . In this climate, Roy is going to get rogered whether he wins or loses.

    That’s a plus for the Republican Party compared to the way things would have been had this never come up.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  292. @311. You gotta believe they stand for at least something anymore. Haven’t seen a group of gas bags come apart like this since the Hindenburg went whoosh at Lakehurst.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  293. 292. Frederick (64d4e1) — 11/15/2017 @ 9:37 am

    See my 139 for the set of follow-up questions that could be checked, to substantiate Nelson’s story, but which no one to my knowledge is asking her

    Detective Colombo would ask these questions.

    139. I wanted to call my boyfriend but this was before cell phones and I had no way to contac him.

    No, the idea could never have entered her mind!

    She didn’t want to call her boyfriend, because there was no number to call.

    Unless she wanted to call him at home, using the restaurant’s phone, or a nearby pay phone.

    In which case he wouldn’t be late for her because she couldn’t hope to call him if he was already scheduled to arrive by then.

    More logically, she would have called him before while he was still home. More plausible would be something like:

    I used to callhim when I wanted him to pick me up. That wasn’t every day. Sometimes I got a lift from someone else leaving the restraurant. I had forgotten that day to call him 25 minutes before, and I didn’t want to wait and so I accepted Mr. Moore’s offer.

    She really said:

    My home was only about two and a half miles away. I planned to call my boyfriend after I got home to let him know that I had gotten a ride home and that there was no need for him to pick me up.

    Wait, he didn’t have a cell phone either!

    They had car phones, if they were really getting expensive things but you couldn’t call in – the phone could only call out.

    So she’d have to call him at home. He’d only be home if he didn’t come unless he was called. Unless she left the restaurant early. She doesn’t say she left early.

    Two and half miles, at 30 mph, is still 5-8 minutes (with traffic lights and parking and a little walking and getting off her coat)

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  294. http://www.nationalreview.com/morning-jolt/453754/sean-hannity-roy-moore-interview-hannity-wants-answers

    I don’t know how Kayla Moore could even think the story could have such s flaw so that the restayrant did not open until 2001. (that defense was probably not invented by the Moores, because if fase, and it is, they wouldn’t try it. I mean people would know when restrauant epned up and 24 years plus is a big discrepancy. She had to actually believe this claim and/or was grabbing any lifeline.)

    There are newspaper advertisements and busienss records showing it existed then.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  295. Moore lawyers hold presser, throw chaff, wave papers, refuse questions; ask for yearbook to have handwriting analysis by their expert.

    They really should have asked for a mother’s permission, first.

    Bail, Sean. This guy’s tomorrows side order at the Olde Hickory House: TOAST.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  296. Two new Moore accusers come forward in Alabama. And it’s only Wednesday. Moore’s attorney disingenuous and contradicts his own client; says moore was judge who signed Nelson’s 1999 divorce decree indicating he did have ‘contact’ or ‘knowledge’ of Nelson; also said signature notation on divorce decree ‘exactly the same’ as yearbook signature implying fakery– except it is not ‘exactly the same.’

    Hit the silk, Hannity; Moore’s sausage is cooked.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  297. no his sausage is raw

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  298. Mr. Moore still has that creepy Jesus attorney

    I think he needs to get a for reals one

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  299. Pig Roy Moore was . . . well . . . quite the pig:

    A Gadsden woman says Roy Moore groped her while she was in his law office on legal business with her mother in 1991. Moore was married at that time.
    [para] In the past week, Moore has been accused by five other women of a range of behaviors that include sexual misconduct with a woman when she was 14, and sexual assault of another when she was 16. This is the first public accusation of physical contact that happened after Moore was married.

    In 1982, Kelly Harrison Thorp was working as a hostess at the Red Lobster restaurant in Gadsden. She was 17 years old and a high school senior.
    [para] One day Roy Moore came into the restaurant, and she recognized him.
    [para] “He was a public figure in this small town,” she said of Moore, who at the time was in his early 30s and the deputy district attorney for Etowah County. Later that year he would mount an unsuccessful campaign for circuit court judge.
    [para] Thorp said Moore asked her if she’d go out with him sometime.
    [para] “I just kind of said, ‘Do you know how old I am?'” she recalled.
    [para] “And he said, ‘Yeah. I go out with girls your age all the time.'”
    [para] Thorp said she turned him down and told him she had a boyfriend. She said he then walked away.

    Q! (86710c)

  300. What is the Deal with Trump Judge dread?

    Brett Talley, the Alabama lawyer Donald Trump has nominated to be a federal district judge, is a 36-year-old ghosthunter who has never tried a case and who failed to disclose to the Senate that he is married to the chief of staff to the White House counsel. He also seems to have written 16,381 posts—more than 3½ per day—on the University of Alabama fan message board TideFans.com. As BuzzFeed has reported,

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/11/15/trump_nominee_brett_talley_appears_to_have_defended_the_first_kkk.html

    Ben burn (3761f0)

  301. again another trashy no-account chick with no proof whatsoever

    …who dutifully (of course) never told anyone what happened until years and years later

    not only did this one have to give up her kid, she was convicted of writing bad checks and for theft of property!

    hello

    how could he hit on this many losers

    surely one of the honey boo boos got a college degree or at least managed to hold onto their first husband

    no?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  302. How many Kangaroo Jurists does it take to dance on President Pinhead?

    Ben burn (3761f0)

  303. Brett Talley went to Harvard just like Barack Obama Mr. burn

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  304. Talley’s Lovecraftian horror novel That Which Should Not Be was a finalist for the Bram Stoker Award.

    and unlike Barack Obama he’s actually written the books what have his name on them

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  305. House ha reportedly paid out $15 Million to resolve Sexual Harassment Claims against congressmen and staffers in past 10-15 years, but this kept secret from the American public…

    They must be Democrats.

    Colonel Haiku (993483)

  306. here’s the reviews of his award-winning novel

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  307. #32 in the Leahy thread: narciso (d1f714) — 11/15/2017 @ 3:17 pm

    So it turns judge Moore wee Mrs nelson’s judge presiding over one of her divorces curious.

    You would think, if she remembered him trying to rape her, and recognized him, she would have said something about it to her attorney – just in order to discuss whether she should try to get another judge or not.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  308. The two today: They don’t quite back up the rape stories.

    One, from 1982, seems to back up the idea he used to date teenagers, but that’s all.

    The one from 1991 has gotten this closer to the present day – only 26 years ago – and after he was married – but it is not an attempted rape or seduction.

    And it’s not a teenager in this case. She was 28 then. But he grabbed her and pinched her (in front of her mother? No, there was a little chance he got without her mother being in the same room.)

    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/new_roy_moore_accuser_he_didnt.html

    In interviews with AL.com, Tina Johnson recalls that in the fall of 1991 she sat in the law office of then-attorney Roy Moore on Third Street in Gadsden. Her mother, Mary Katherine Cofield, sat in the chair next to her. Moore sat behind his desk, across from them. Johnson remembers she was wearing a black and white dress….

    “He kept commenting on my looks, telling me how pretty I was, how nice I looked,” recalled Johnson. “He was saying that my eyes were beautiful.”

    At one point during the meeting, she said, Moore came around the desk and sat on the front of it, just inches from her. He was so close, she said, she could smell his breath.
    According to Johnson, he asked questions about her young daughters, including what color eyes they had and if they were as pretty as she was. She said that made her feel uncomfortable, too.

    Once the papers were signed, she and her mother got up to leave. After her mother walked through the door first, she said, Moore came up behind her.

    It was at that point, she recalled, he grabbed her buttocks.

    “He didn’t pinch it; he grabbed it,” said Johnson. She was so surprised she didn’t say anything. She didn’t tell her mother.

    Her mother had hired him as her attorney to arrange the daughter giving up legal custody of her son to her. Al.com verified that Roy Moore was her mother’s attorney in the child custody transfer.

    There is too much protesting about her not being political. If she doesn’t follow politics, how she’d even know about the existence of al.com? Well, maybe her sister knew.

    She said it had bothered her over the years to see Roy Moore talking about his faith.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  309. happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/15/2017 @ 3:23 pm

    surely one of the honey boo boos got a college degree

    Yes. Kayla Kisor. He met her, at the latest, in 1984. But she doesn’t tell this kind of story.

    or at least managed to hold onto their first husband

    That one Kayla didn’t do.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  310. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/when_did_roy_moore_meet_his_wi.html

    n his book, Roy Moore said he had seen Kayla “many” years earlier, [than 1984] although it doesn’t specify how old she was when she first caught his eye.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  311. Here it is from his book:

    “Many years before, I had attended a dance recital at Gadsden State Junior College,” Roy Moore wrote. “I remembered one of the special dances performed by a young woman whose first and last names began with the letter ‘K.’ It was something I had never forgotten. Could that young woman have been Kayla Kisor? Anxious to meet her, I began with the line, ‘Haven’t we met somewhere before?'”

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  312. Oh look, another thing from al.com:

    . Beverly Young Nelson said she was a sophomore at Southside High School in 1977, alongside Kayla Kisor.

    She was a sophomore? And she had a yearbook?

    Well, someone said here some schools had yearbooks for each grade.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  313. You would think, if she remembered him trying to rape her, and recognized him, she would have said something about it to her attorney – just in order to discuss whether she should try to get another judge or not.

    Valid point.
    But the number of family court judges in Etowah County is limited, we don’t know if she knew any of the other judges, we don’t know how she described matters to the divorce lawyer. At this point, we don’t even know if a motion to recuse was made and denied. Also, if the divorce was relatively amicable, and the judge’s role was to simply sign off on the papers, she may simply kept quiet and hoped he didn’t recognize her under her married name.

    kishnevi (39af22)

  314. @333. Publishing one w/all four classes is fairly routine, Sammy. And savvy marketing. That’s 4X the pool of purchasers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  315. The point is, she may have copied the signature from her divorce proceedings

    narciso (d1f714)

  316. with her eyeliner skills a forgery would be easy peasy lemon squeezey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  317. Nelson is 48 hours and four fresh, young accusers ago.

    Roy’s been rogered.

    But gee, apparently Roy and his legal beagles simply typed up the script from their presser, sent it to Sean and backed off on the term ‘forgery’ when inking their love note to Hannity. Guess they don’t believe autograph collectors and historical document dealers know the difference between the use of the term ‘tampering’ and outright ‘forgery’ when it comes to examining signatures and verifying items.

    But really, if you think about it, who the hell is Sean Hannity to demand an ultimatum from Moore, anyway?

    The Mad Mick is not employed by the citizens of Alabama nor registered to vote there. He;s a cable TV talking head and radio blowhard. Was he blind at Fox all those years of tailgrabbing? Or was he paid enough to simply look the other way and keep his eyes and mouth shut as his colleagues were harassed. Howzabout an answer for Alabama listeners and viewers in 24 hours.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  318. Roy Moore’s awesome ask anybody

    everyone knows this is a set-up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  319. The point is, she may have copied the signature from her divorce proceedings
    But the Merry Christmas wishes are in the same handwriting as the signature. That’s much harder to pull off if it was forgery.

    kishnevi (39af22)

  320. At this point, we don’t even know if a motion to recuse was made and denied. Also, if the divorce was relatively amicable, and the judge’s role was to simply sign off on the papers, she may simply kept quiet and hoped he didn’t recognize her under her married name.
    kishnevi (39af22) — 11/15/2017 @ 6:18 pm

    Good place to get another Roy Moore signature.

    Pinandpuller (616192)

  321. Why the heck is Hannity interfering in an election?

    Pinandpuller (616192)

  322. One of his first gigs wee is Birmingham or some such

    narciso (d1f714)

  323. Yeah he went from wallbanger to DJ.

    Pinandpuller (616192)

  324. For real, Moore was Old Hickory’s divorce lawyer?

    nk (dbc370)

  325. he was the judge i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  326. Didn’t I gel you, reality would be even stranger than you think,

    narciso (d1f714)

  327. I’m sorry, I meant divorce judge. Is there proof of that?

    nk (dbc370)

  328. His fatty, presented the documents, now I
    It was 18 years ago.

    narciso (d1f714)

  329. But when he was on the bench overseeing Nelson’s divorce case years later, the initials D.A. would appear at times after his name, Jauregui said. Moore had an assistant who sometimes used a stamp for the judge’s signature and then initialed the documents. The assistant’s initials were D.A., Jauregui said.

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-roy-moore-20171115-story.html

    The [rhymes with door]s are lying. They’re lying like crazy.

    nk (dbc370)

  330. Roy Moore for U.S. Senator!

    nk (dbc370)

  331. Just because a judge presides a divorce doesn’t mean they would see each other. He may not have recognized her name but she would definitely have been “triggered” I would think.

    Pinandpuller (616192)

  332. So the forger was incompetent enough to not realize DA was not part of the signature, but competent enough to write a completely made up sentence in a handwriting that at the least closely resembles that of Moore?

    BTW, in my experience the document Nelson would be most likely to hold on to, the final decree,is generally signed by the judge himself in the presence of the parties, not stamped by his secretary.

    kishnevi (39af22)

  333. Depending on how amicable the divorce was, the judge would see her at least briefly, at the final hearing.

    If the divorce was truly amicable, and no children were involved, she might have been able to do the divorce on her own without a lawyer.

    kishnevi (39af22)

  334. 345. nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2017 @ 7:59 pm

    For real, Moore was Old Hickory’s divorce lawyer?

    They’re saying the judge. In 1999, 21 years later than she says the attempted rape happened.

    He was Judge for the Sixteenth Circuit Court of Alabama from 1992 to 2000. He was a lawyer for another accuser’s mother in 1991. The accuser was in his office to sign papers agreeing to transfer custody of her son to her moher (he was living there anyway) She kept custody of her two daughters. She was not yet divorced. She says that while they all in his office, he kept on praising her beauty and that of her daughters (from pictures?) and when they left, her mother left the room first, and he grabbed her bottom and pinched her.

    He was Assistant District Attorney for Etowah County, Alabama from 1977 (almost right after he graduated from law school) to 1982. He started a corruption/overspending investigation toward the end of that period, and was himself investigated for doing an unauthorized investigation. Then he quit to run for circuit judge, and, with numerous television commercials both for and against him, lost the runoff badly to a person who later became a close friend He claimed in that election, says Wikipedia, that cases were being delayed in exchange for payoffs. (So perhaps the allegations were aimed at a person who didn’t make the runoff)

    Moore left Gadsden and exiled himself all the way to Australia. He later spent some time in Texas, where his family had lived for four ears in the 1950s and he ws in another state too. He returned to Gadsden in 1985 (?), and married Kayla, and ran for District Attorney in 1986 and lost.

    In 1992, Etowah County Circuit Judge Julius Swann died in office. Republican Governor H. Guy Hunt named him as a replacement, with the endorsement of the D.A. (maybe to get him out of the way?)

    In the year 2000, he ran for Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court of Alabama and won. He was removed from his position in 2003 Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission because he had defied a final federal court order to remove a 10 commandments monument from his courtroom.

    He was selected again Chief justice of Alabama in 2012 bu was removed aagin in 2016 by the Alabama Judicial Inquiry Commission because he’d defied federal court rulings, this time aboutt same sex marriage and several ancillary offenses.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  335. Practice varies as to how many “originals” the judge signs, but if he signs only one, it goes into the court file.

    nk (dbc370)

  336. Many years ago I was speeding in a company vehicle with a nonfunctional speedometer. A WHP I graduated with pulled me over. He sympathized and said he would get it thrown out. I received a copy of the (case?) in the mail some time later with the Judge’s signature stamped on it, dismissing it.

    Somewhere I have two divorce decrees. One I never saw the judge. The other, I believe I mentioned a crazy *****. Had to appear once for BS. I would remember a lot more if the judge tried to make a pass at me when I was in HS.

    Pinandpuller (616192)

  337. 350. They’ve even created a completely fake robocall – somebody has that is – which has the Washington Post promising to do the very definition of reckless disregard for the truth.

    It has a reporter, who can’t decide if his first name is Bernie or Al, saying the Washington Post is looking for females between the ages of 54 and 57, willing to make damaging statements about Moore, and will pay them between $5,000 and $7,000, and the allegation will be written (published?) but not fully checked.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  338. The only thing wrong maybe about the yearbook inscription is that the two lines:

    “12-22-77 / Olde Hickory House.”

    …could have been written later, and by somebody else.

    Those last two lines are all printing, or the equivalent of printing, instead of script, and the numeral 7’s there are written differently than the earlier sevens in 1977.

    The second group of 7’s have a little line going down from he top on the left, and the first group of two, do not.

    Of course, sometimes people write the same thing in a different way at different times, so that doesn’t establish anything. But this makes me think.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  339. Source for noticing this thing about the 7’s:

    https://caffeinatedthoughts.com/2017/11/not-debunk-roy-moores-alleged-yearbook-signature makes a counterargument against the idea this is some kind of a forgery, but says:

    They compare the 7s in reference to 1977 in Moore’s note with the seven below his name. Nobody has reported “12-22-77 Olde Hickory House” to be part of his note, have they? The date underneath Moore’s signature could have been added by someone else as a reference. I think the “analyst” made an assumption here.

    Well, that’s what everybody’s assuming – they have indeed assumed it is the same note – that it is all one, somewhat lengthy, contemporaneous note written at the same time, or within a few minutes.

    If they were not written at the same time, the reason is not necessarily an honest one.

    The whole thing goes:

    To a / sweeter more / beautiful girl I / could not say /”Merry Christmas” / Christmas, 1977 / Love,/ Roy Moore, D.A. / 12-22-77 / Olde Hickory House

    Everything is in script, except for the words “Olde Hickory House” which is printed.

    That really does argue that somebody added the exact date, and the location, later.

    (Was Thursday, December 22, 1977, her last day on that job for a while? With Christmas written twice why would somebody need to give an exact date? If that’s added recently, there must be a reason. (although maybe jut to really emphasize the place of the signing.)

    So maybe Ray Moore is telling the truth that he was not familiar with Ye Olde Hickory House, or at least its name, and this wasn’t signed on December 22, 1977.

    Another thing: this picture in in black and white. What? Gloria Allred doesn’t have, or is too cheap to use, a color copier or printer? I wondrr what would become apparent if we saw a color picture of that yearbook inscription. And the rest of the yearbook, too. From what we have, it is not even clear that it’s addressed to her.

    Maybe somebody else is the “sweet…beautiful girl.”

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  340. My yearbook in 1975 was all in black and white, including the photos of the seniors, and I was in Chicago’s best public school not some jerkwater in Alabama.

    nk (dbc370)

  341. At a certain point I switched over from regular 7’s to French 7’s. My signature evolved a lot too. Do I just have a guilty conscience? Nobody ever wanted to frag me though.

    Pinandpuller (616192)

  342. You didn’t show enough initiative; I guess he was a little like larocquettes character in stripes or whoever played major major in catch 22.

    narciso (d1f714)

  343. 361, nk (dbc370) — 11/15/2017 @ 9:54 pm

    My yearbook in 1975 was all in black and white, including the photos of the seniors, and I was in Chicago’s best public school not some jerkwater in Alabama.

    Yes, but was the ink people used in that time black and white?

    I know the pictures and the printing was in black and white. I just checked a 1972 yearbook from the 8th grade. (not mine, by the way)

    The printing was in black ad white, but the ink from pens was black and all kinds of shades of blue, even occasionally red and even other colors were possible.

    And if parts of that inscription were written at different times, the color or shade of the ink might show the difference.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  344. Sorry cathcart he wee the morale diminsher.

    narciso (d1f714)

  345. Neither of the two types of 7s there is a French 7. One is a regular 7, and the other is like an upside down L. The first one, more likely to be written by Moore, is like ann upside down L. the second bunch of 7s is more complete.

    Of course, all three 2’s of “12-22-1977, DON’T LOOK the same, and they were surely written at the same time by the same person. The second two 2’s especially the first 2 in 22, has a nice little loop at the bottom – the 2 in 12 looks almost like a mirror image capital C. Like as if “Olde Hickory House” was written first, before 12-22-1977. That could be if someone was adding things, and getting ideas as they went along. (the way the words go on the page, you can’t give a fully written out 2 of 12 because it will maybe cross over into the d of “Olde.” It is like a little squeezed.

    Like first somebody wrote, beneath “Love,/ Roy Moore, D.A.” the words “Olde Hickory House” (not in script) and then decided to add as well the date 12-22-1977 between those two lines.

    t’s possible the letters D and A and the period (actually the D has a period also, but the D touches it) might also have been later because they are print, not script – certainly the A is.

    The D of D A is really, really, misshapen – just a tilted triangle – it is also, maybe. just a trifle too far away from the end of the name “Moore” and there’s no comma after the “e” of Moore.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)

  346. The 1 of “1977” and the 1 of “12” though look pretty much exactly the same.

    They are both slightly slanted to the left in relation to the following numerals, (as you go from top to bottom) That doesn’t look like a detail somebody would think to forge.

    But maybe two different people just wrote a leading “1” the same way.

    Sammy Finkelman (8e756e)


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