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11/9/2017

Allegations of Sexual Misconduct Made Against Roy Moore

Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:07 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Uh-oh. The Washington Post is reporting that Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore has been accused of sexual misconduct:

Leigh Corfman says she was 14 years old when an older man approached her outside a courtroom in Etowah County, Ala. She was sitting on a wooden bench with her mother, they both recall, when the man introduced himself as Roy Moore.

Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear.

Aside from Corfman, three other women interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks say Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s, episodes they say they found flattering at the time, but troubling as they got older. None of the women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact.

Wendy Miller says she was 14 and working as a Santa’s helper at the Gadsden Mall when Moore first approached her, and 16 when he asked her on dates, which her mother forbade. Debbie Wesson Gibson says she was 17 when Moore spoke to her high school civics class and asked her out on the first of several dates Inflatable football helmet tunnel that did not progress beyond kissing. Gloria Thacker Deason says she was an 18-year-old cheerleader when Moore began taking her on dates that included bottles of Mateus Rosé wine. The legal drinking age in Alabama was 19.

Of the four women, the youngest at the time was Corfman, who is the only one who says she had sexual contact with Moore that went beyond kissing. She says they did not have intercourse.

Moore has denied the allegations :

“These allegations are completely false and are a desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and the Washington Post on this campaign,” Moore said in a statement obtained by Breitbart News.

Separately, Moore’s campaign said in a statement, “This garbage is the very definition of fake news and intentional defamation.”

Further:

“After over 40 years of public service, if any of these allegations were true, they surely would have been made public long before now,” the statement continued.

Across the board, GOP leadership is calling on Moore to step aside if the allegations are true. A sampling:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: “If these allegations are true, he must step aside.”

Sen. John McCain: “The allegations against Roy Moore are deeply disturbing and disqualifying. He should immediately step aside and allow the people of Alabama to elect a candidate they are proud of.”

Sen. Jeff Flake: “If there is any shred of truth to the allegations against Roy Moore, he should step aside immediately.”

Sen. John Cornyn, who endorsed Moore and is listed on his website, said the allegations are “deeply disturbing.”

Sen. Pat Toomey: “If there’s a shred of truth to it, then he need to step aside.”

Sen. Mike Lee: “If these allegations are true, Roy Moore needs to step down.”

Sen. Tim Scott: “If they’re accurate, he should step aside.”

Sen. Cory Gardner, chairman of national republican senatorial committee: “If these allegations are found to be true, Roy Moore must drop out of the Alabama special Senate election.”

According to an Alabama election spokesperson, it’s too close to next month’s special election to remove Moore from the ballot.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

222 Responses to “Allegations of Sexual Misconduct Made Against Roy Moore”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (023079)

  2. It may be early for condemnation but it would be consistent with his anti-social muscle-memory.

    Ben burn (05fad7)

  3. This is very odd. There are a lot of reasons I dislike Moore, but this is not something I would expect from someone who has been as ardent a Christian warrior as he has been.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  4. torture-trash war hero John McCain who divorced his wife after she got into a car crash to marry an heiress says Mr. moore has no choice but to withdraw even if there’s no actual evidence

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Not to mention Vicky iseman

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. you can donate to Roy Moore’s campaign here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. What is feasibility and legality of Atty Gen. Sessions resigning from his current post and returning to the Senate ahead of the special election. At this juncture he would be appointed to replace an appointee.

    urbanleftbehind (4c830b)

  8. > What is feasibility and legality of Atty Gen. Sessions resigning from his current post and returning to the Senate ahead of the special election

    I’m not familiar with Alabama law, but I would expect the answer is *none*.

    The way I would expect it to work based on my familiarity with election law in other states:

    He would be appointed to replace an appointee, but there still has to be a special election to fill out the term created by his resignation. And it’s too late to cancel *this* election, or to change who is on the ballot on it. So Sessions would serve until the election results are certified.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  9. theres enough time before the election to assess as to whether this is probably true or not. There should be various forms of corroborating evidence of truth or falsehood.

    A question is: Was anybody holding this in reserve?

    One course is for Moore to promise to resign after he is elected. That is the only way to replace him at this point The senate could also refuse to seat him or expel him but it doesn;’t have enough grounds yet.

    Sammyu Finkelman (02a146)

  10. It might be that 3 of the accusations are true, but are peoplke he tried to date in the 1980s, and involve no sexiual contact whatsoever, but the worst one is false but made up to sound vaguely similiar in some ways to the true ones.

    Sammyu Finkelman (02a146)

  11. Alabama doesn’t have the same corrupt judges that NJ has that illegally took Torrecelli off the ballot.

    That said, this needs to play out.

    NJRob (9f728d)

  12. Accusations easy to make and impossible to disprove. What? Does the DNC keep lists of women who will accuse Republicans of sexual misconduct from twenty and forty years ago? Like Moore said, why didn’t all this stuff surface earlier? It’s not like he was keeping a low profile. He was thrown off the Alabama Supreme Court twice.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. you just keep going back to how it was ok to elect dirty Bill Clinton even though he liked to rape girls with his herpes penis so much (nonconsensual sex)

    and Mr. Moore didn’t even have sex with anybody!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. Re the accusers:

    Corfman described her story consistently in six interviews with The Post. The Post confirmed that her mother attended a hearing at the courthouse in February 1979 through divorce records. Moore’s office was down the hall from the courtroom.

    Neither Corfman nor any of the other women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls. Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.

    It is interesting that none of these women came forward earlier with their stories. But perhaps, as a result of the unfolding Weinstein scandal and women going public with their accusations, these women felt more confident going public too.

    Dana (023079)

  15. > But perhaps, as a result of the unfolding Weinstein scandal and women going public with their accusations, these women felt more confident going public too.

    I suspect that we’re seeing a knockon effect of that *everywhere* — Hollywood finally took the Weinstein scandal seriously, and that means maybe these people who were expected not to take things seriously might do so now, too.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  16. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: “If these allegations are true, he must step aside.” Sen. John McCain: “The allegations against Roy Moore are deeply disturbing and disqualifying. He should immediately step aside and allow the people of Alabama to elect a candidate they are proud of.”Sen. Jeff Flake: “If there is any shred of truth to the allegations against Roy Moore, he should step aside immediately.”Sen. John Cornyn, who endorsed Moore and is listed on his website, said the allegations are “deeply disturbing.”Sen. Pat Toomey: “If there’s a shred of truth to it, then he need to step aside.”Sen. Mike Lee: “If these allegations are true, Roy Moore needs to step down.”Sen. Tim Scott: “If they’re accurate, he should step aside.” Sen. Cory Gardner, chairman of national republican senatorial committee: “If these allegations are found to be true, Roy Moore must drop out of the Alabama special Senate election.”

    And what about Ted ‘makin’ Canadian bacon’ Cruz??

    10/24/2017 Sen. Ted Cruz Endorses Roy Moore For Alabama’s Vacant Senate Seat
    Filed under: General — Dana @ 1:56 pm [guest post by Dana]

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. @ aphrael,

    but this is not something I would expect from someone who has been as ardent a Christian warrior as he has been

    It is exactly what I would expect from someone who has been an such an “ardent Christian warrior”. Wolves in sheep’s clothing fill many a pulpit everywhere, as well as positions in church leadership.

    Dana (023079)

  18. The Republican and Democratic parties are pedophilic cults. These parties are the most dangerous terrorist groups in the United States. Anyone who supports these parties should be considered a traitor and enemy of the people of the United States, and treated accordingly.

    mama (3b68d8)

  19. here’s an anecdote from the all-white boys high school our favorite slurpy-assed war hero John McCain attended

    McCain was not only a lousy student, he had his father’s taste for drink and a darkly misogynistic streak. The summer after his sophomore year, cruising with a friend near Arlington, McCain tried to pick up a pair of young women. When they laughed at him, he cursed them so vilely that he was hauled into court on a profanity charge.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. (he took after his drunk-ass admiral daddy)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. Josh Duggar

    now there’s a christian what likes the young stuff

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  22. > Wolves in sheep’s clothing fill many a pulpit everywhere, as well as positions in church leadership.

    Hmm.

    Let me rephrase, if I might.

    I’m not a Christian, but I generally prefer to assume that people are being earnest and honorable (and there’s a lot in the Christian worldview which I see as honorable and good). So I’ve always assumed that Moore’s public Christianity was driven by earnest belief. This behavior is not something I would expect from someone who derives Moore’s public religious-political positions from earnest reflection and desire to live a Christian life and promote a Christian world.

    So, if true, this shows Moore to *either* be (a) a reformed evildoer who is unwilling for some reason to admit to such, or (b) a lying demagogue pretending to be something he isn’t and hornswoggling people.

    Both of these surprise me a bit, and both dissapoint me.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  23. Elvis was ten years older than 14-year-old Priscilla when they first started doing the hound dog together (ain’t never caught a rabbit)

    i wonder if sleazy opportunistic cage-dweller John McCain wants to hatefully smear poor dead Elvis too

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. Ted Cruz has not made a public comment regarding Moore and these allegations, as far as a search shows. But, this is interesting: it is being reported that less than 2 hours after the news came out, Moore sent out a new fundraising appeal – citing Cruz, Rand Paul and Cornyn’s support:

    Less than two hours after the Washington Post published a major investigation reporting that Moore had pursued teenagers and sexually molested one under-age girl, his campaign zapped out a fundraising email that showcased endorsements from three senators whom conservatives tend to adore: Ted Cruz of Texas, Rand Paul of Kentucky, and Mike Lee of Utah.

    “As you know, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee all endorsed my campaign for U.S. Senate,” Moore wrote. “If I’m elected to Washington, I’ll join them on the frontlines of the fight to Drain the Swamp.” The email featured a graphic of al three hovering behind a grinning Moore.

    Cornyn publicly said of Moore and the allegations:

    If it is true, I don’t think his candidacy is sustainable. But we believe in a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. And so I think it’s important for the facts to come out.

    I’d like to have heard him say that, if it is true, his candidacy is not sustainable, rather than “I don’t think his candidacy if sustainable”. And it is reasonable to wait for the facts to come out.

    But given that Cruz and Cornyn and Paul were named in this latest fundraising appeal *after* the allegations were made public, it might appear to put them in a tricky spot given their support of him, but I can easily see them revoking their support of the candidate in light of this news (if it turns out to be true). It would be political suicide not to if the allegations prove true, and I think their own personal convictions and faith would compel them to denounce him.

    Dana (023079)

  25. BTW, the age of consent in Alabama is 16.

    Dana (023079)

  26. even if true there’s absolutely no reason for Roy Moore to step aside

    you gotta follow your dreams

    plus it’s too late to replace him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. BTW, the age of consent in Alabama is 16.

    what was it back then though

    these allegations are like 50 years old

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. How does the saying go…

    Don’t get caught with a live boy or a dead girl?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  29. and what does consent have to do with it

    he didn’t even come close to banging any of these chicks (like how John McCain banged all them women he cheated on his wife with while he was still representing the navy) (disgrace to his uniform)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. Jerry Lee Lewis’ marriage to Myra Williams lasted from 1958-1970.

    How many people get to be married to someone for half their life?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  31. Gloria Thacker Deason says she was an 18-year-old cheerleader when Moore began taking her on dates that included bottles of Mateus Rosé wine. The legal drinking age in Alabama was 19.

    them nasty Bush girls were feeding each other raw hard booze way younger than that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. if true
    gator feed

    mg (60b0f7)

  33. @27 happyfeet

    I think these accusations might be older than Madonna.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  34. One thing with all the “Holy Warriors” is having a testimony. Your testimony is what a creep you were before you found Jesus.

    Louis CK has not found Jesus.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  35. “It is exactly what I would expect from someone who has been an such an “ardent Christian warrior”. Wolves in sheep’s clothing fill many a pulpit everywhere, as well as positions in church leadership.”

    – Dana

    Bingo. Men like Roy Moore offer prayers and sing praises on the street corners, to be seen by others.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  36. I guess I can believe it, of anyone, regardless or their intellect or faith. It’s becoming apparent that sexuality moves in a different orbit than reason. The lesson is to never let your children be alone with an adult you are not absolutely sure of. And teach your kids to be wary, too. As for society in general, I don’t know how this flood of abuse stories is going to shake out. I used to love Woody Allen and Polanski movies; are they now forever tainted?

    Great timing for the reveal by the other party, btw.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  37. Madonna’s awesome though

    i wanna have a spa day with her

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. madonna is one sick
    pos

    mg (60b0f7)

  39. It is interesting that none of these women came forward earlier with their stories. But perhaps, as a result of the unfolding Weinstein scandal and women going public with their accusations, these women felt more confident going public too.

    A critical mass was necessary but I imagine there will be gold prospecting casting shadow on legitimate cases. All in all I think the lancing of this boil is all good.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  40. A caveat;

    Since Weinstein I’ve anticipated a huge danger of lynchings but the Spacey thing both toned down the misandry and there have been no incidents I’ve come across that indicate anything other than contempt for sexual predators no matter their sexuality. That could change.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  41. madonna is one sick
    pos

    you do not get to come for spa day

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  42. Great timing for the reveal by the other party, btw.

    Patricia

    Yes ma’am. That comes across as very cynical of the democrats. Gather a few victims and wait until there’s no way for the GOP to replace the candidate. Weaponize sexual abuse of children, true or false.

    I do say I’m inclined to believe the victims when there are several coming forward, even with the political machine attack aspect of this. I’m pretty cynical when it comes to the conduct of powerful people.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  43. L A Times reported similar charges on Arnold Schwarzenegger in October 2003. There ended up being 16 as I recall before it ended. A review of what our host wrote then begins here.

    And of course there were some with Trump in the closing days of 2016.

    It’s rarely a mistake to wait a few days before judging. If Moore is actually guilty, he still will be in another few days, on something that is decades old of true. If not, then it is grossly unfair to rush in now.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  44. It is exactly what I would expect from someone who has been an such an “ardent Christian warrior”. Wolves in sheep’s clothing fill many a pulpit everywhere, as well as positions in church leadership.

    Dana (023079) — 11/9/2017 @ 1:51 pm

    Good to know you aren’t a Christian Dana but have no problem slandering them.

    NJRob (9f728d)

  45. These allegations are about purported incidents decades ago. Why didn’t they come forward before the primary? Why are they only coming forward now, with the general election just a month away?

    Sorry, but this looks to me to just be an attempt to steal the Senate seat by the Democrats.

    The Dana asking for proof (8110d1)

  46. these allegations are very weak beer like Pearl beer which is a good lawnmowing beer but it’s very weak

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. i love being a christian but not to let sleazy spiteful filth like perverted torture victim John McCain throw the senate to his democrat friends

    i like the songs and the recipes and the history and how you get to get dressed up and the liturgy and how you feel like you’re a part of something meaningful

    also I like Thanksgiving

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  48. These allegations are about purported incidents decades ago.

    And very Hollywood, eh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. Good to know you aren’t a Christian Dana but have no problem slandering them.

    i’m pretty sure she’s a christian maybe even a good Lutheran i can’t remember the specifics all the time on all you guys

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  50. The failure of Tedtoo to issue a simple, boilerplate “me too” ‘if this is true’ press release says it all.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  51. i can’t get over wapo fake news trying to pimp Mateus Rosé as a scandal

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  52. These allegations are about purported incidents decades ago. Why didn’t they come forward before the primary? Why are they only coming forward now, with the general election just a month away?

    Sorry, but this looks to me to just be an attempt to steal the Senate seat by the Democrats.

    The Dana asking for proof (8110d1)

    The timing is obviously cynical. The intentions of the party are ghoulish. But it’s not surprising at all that kids who were sexually abused by a powerful legislator did not come forward until they heard about other victims coming forward. And when many women come forward about the same perpetrator of abuse, that’s very compelling to me. Perhaps it’s not beyond a reasonable doubt, but it’s still something. I think it’s reasonable to ask for corroborating evidence, such as what kind of car he had, what it was like inside, things like that, but I don’t think all these women are making this up. That would be shocking and extreme.

    Good to know you aren’t a Christian Dana but have no problem slandering them.

    NJRob

    Actually, I think a lot of earnest, humble Christians find the kind of person who exploits Christianity for power and fame to be repellent and suspicious. I personally think of all those times Jesus confronted judgmental and outspoken religious leaders. The problem wasn’t that they were Jewish and not Christian. There’s nothing at all about criticizing a Christian that suggests someone isn’t one or has slandered ‘them’ as a whole. If anything, I think Dana’s point of view is Christian.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  53. Actually, I think a lot of earnest, humble Christians find the kind of person who exploits Christianity for power and fame to be repellent and suspicious. I personally think of all those times Jesus confronted judgmental and outspoken religious leaders. The problem wasn’t that they were Jewish and not Christian. There’s nothing at all about criticizing a Christian that suggests someone isn’t one or has slandered ‘them’ as a whole. If anything, I think Dana’s point of view is Christian.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/9/2017 @ 3:29 pm

    No. The issue is throwing an outspoken Christian to the anti-theist wolves without proof.

    I have no trust for the left and will not given them the benefit of the doubt.

    NJRob (9f728d)

  54. Not surprised by Louis ck…didnt he telegraph that punch with the episode where kept the babysitter from leaving the house?

    urbanleftbehind (4c830b)

  55. > Good to know you aren’t a Christian Dana but have no problem slandering them.

    I’m not aware that Dana has denied being a Christian. *I* said I wasn’t a Christian, which should come as no surprise to anyone here. *And* I don’t think I’m slandering Moore, although your mileage may vary.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  56. i can’t get over wapo fake news trying to pimp Mateus Rosé as a scandal
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/9/2017 @ 3:25 pm

    Looks like Etowah is a wet county. I guarantee you he didn’t buy that on Sunday, though.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  57. Leigh Corfman (the accuser who was 14 at the time) voted Republican in the last 3 elections, including Trump

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  58. Not surprised by Louis ck…didnt he telegraph that punch with the episode where kept the babysitter from leaving the house?
    urbanleftbehind (4c830b) — 11/9/2017 @ 3:40 pm

    That may be the church but that’s most definitely not the steeple!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  59. I have no trust for the left and will not given them the benefit of the doubt.

    It’s clear you and hoagie hate leftists, so it’s overkill to repeat ad infinitum.

    Hoagie says please stop.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  60. i want him to keep the senate seat in the R column but i wasn’t a fan of Roy Moore so much until these allegations

    now I love him so much and I pray to Lutheran Jesus that he will lift Brother Roy up above the hateful lies of these dubious alabama trailer park women and the wapo propaganda sluts what have suborned them

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  61. Just a reminder of the left’s playbook:

    Duke Lacrosse Team.

    Ted Stevens in Alaska under indictment.

    McCain and his alleged mistress.

    And on and on.

    NJRob (b00189)

  62. If the allegations are false, it was a touch of genius to have the one girl claim touching while not naked and no intercourse. That is a level of detail which damns Moore, but has the air of fairness to him in that rape itself is not alleged.

    While the establishment chortles how Alabamans should have listened to them and voted for the “moderate” dude they liked, we must not let them get away with that. If the establishment backed a rock-ribbed conservative to begin with, we would not be in this mess. This is on McConnell.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  63. with any luck they make the same mistake they made with that gold star widow chica and put one of the more gap-toothed hoochies on tv so people can get a sense of who they are

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. Dustin wrote:

    The timing is obviously cynical. The intentions of the party are ghoulish. But it’s not surprising at all that kids who were sexually abused by a powerful legislator did not come forward until they heard about other victims coming forward. And when many women come forward about the same perpetrator of abuse, that’s very compelling to me. Perhaps it’s not beyond a reasonable doubt, but it’s still something. I think it’s reasonable to ask for corroborating evidence, such as what kind of car he had, what it was like inside, things like that, but I don’t think all these women are making this up. That would be shocking and extreme.

    Roy Moore has twice before run statewide campaigns, and won them. The Republican primary between Luther Strange and him was hotly contested. Yet we heard nary a peep out of anyone, not until the general election is too close at hand to change candidates. Shocking and extreme? They’re Democrats! What is too shocking or extreme for them?

    The obvious answer: vote for Roy Moore! Then, if the allegations can be proved, the Senate can expel him, and the Governor can appoint another Republican to replace him. But right now, this is just another attempt by the f(ornicating) Democrats to steal a seat. F(ornicate) them!

    The Dana who cannot vote in Alabama (8110d1)

  65. The obvious answer: vote for Roy Moore! Then, if the allegations can be proved, the Senate can expel him, and the Governor can appoint another Republican to replace him.

    Heh. Good plan, Dana!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  66. The obvious answer: vote for Roy Moore

    Oh by gawd, will they..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  67. Corfman says, “I have prayed over this. All I know is that I can’t sit back and let this continue, let him continue without the mask being removed.”

    honey boo boo are you effing serious? We’re supposed to believe Alabama Jesus told you to wait til the dude was 70 and then pounce?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. 57. Davethulhu (fab944) — 11/9/2017 @ 3:43 pm

    Leigh Corfman (the accuser who was 14 at the time) voted Republican in the last 3 elections, including Trump

    If somebody recruited her to lie, they would have been careful to select a known Republican.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  69. I’ve got a pistol in my pocket

    And I’m real glad to meet you

    I’m judge Roy Moore

    And I approve this message

    Pinandpuller (943acd)

  70. 14. Dana (023079) — 11/9/2017 @ 1:49 pm

    It is interesting that none of these women came forward earlier with their stories.

    They didn’t come forward now either. Somebody told the reporter for the Washington Post.

    \\\ Neither Corfman nor any of the other women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls.

    Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.

    But does somebody else know them?

    I wonder what private detective agency turned these women up and who hired them. It is possible that Roy Moore was known to a few people for trying to date girls 10 to 15 years younger, and he would likely have married one of them, (what is his marital history?) so that could have been the lead.

    And if it is true, how did they know? Is the story of how they came to know true?

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  71. It is exactly what I would expect from someone who has been an such an “ardent Christian warrior”. Wolves in sheep’s clothing fill many a pulpit everywhere, as well as positions in church leadership.

    Dana (023079) — 11/9/2017 @ 1:51 pm

    Good to know you aren’t a Christian Dana but have no problem slandering them.

    NJRob (9f728d) — 11/9/2017 @ 2:59 pm

    I am a believer, NJRob, and I slander no one. Most regrettably, and sadly, I speak from first-hand experience.

    Dana (023079)

  72. Ted Cruz released a statement:

    These are serious and troubling allegations. “If they are true, Judge Moore should immediately withdraw. However, we need to know the truth, and Judge Moore has the right to respond to these accusations.

    Dana (023079)

  73. I am a believer, NJRob, and I slander no one. Most regrettably, and sadly, I speak from first-hand experience.

    Dana (023079) — 11/9/2017 @ 4:26 pm

    Then don’t tar with a broad brush. We’ve been taught not to do such.

    NJRob (b00189)

  74. You get to deny Christ three times avant le coq.

    Pinandpuller (943acd)

  75. harvardtrash ted’s 100% right except for the part about these allegations being serious or troubling

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. I’m not tarring anyone or anything. If you refuse to believe that in the midst of any number of houses of worship, there are many in the pulpit who would abuse their power in one way or another, then you really need to study up on the fallen nature of man, and be reminded that no man is exempt.

    Dana (023079)

  77. no man is exempt

    lol try running an attack featuring alabama trailer park hoochies on a democrat senate candidate and see how far you get

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. This just in: 7:32 pm EST

    E-mail from New Yrk Senator Kirsten Gillebrand (up for re-election in 2018) entitled Dangerously unfit:

    …if you’ve followed the Senate special election in Alabama at all, you know Roy Moore is unfit for office – and recent allegations that he sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl are utterly disgusting.

    Together, we can keep him out of the Senate: A recent Fox News poll shows Democrat Doug Jones TIED with Moore, even before these most recent allegations. Doug is a great prosecutor and a strong candidate. He has what it takes to win – but the election is less than five weeks away, and every single one of us needs to step up to support Doug right now.

    Please rush $5 right now to help Doug Jones beat Roy Moore, and elect a candidate who will fight for women everywhere.

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    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  79. The obvious answer: vote for Roy Moore! Then, if the allegations can be proved, the Senate can expel him

    Adjective Dana, that’s a reasonable plan and it makes sense. However I don’t think that’s how politics will play out. Unfortunately this is a cynical play that could work.

    NJRob, you’re the one slandering a Christian. Anyone who has read the New Testament recognizes the kind of people Dana is talking about. Try to make your arguments without the need for character assassination.

    Then don’t tar with a broad brush. We’ve been taught not to do such.

    NJRob

    NJRob, you of all people are the pious preacher and warning against generalizing now? You?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  80. painteth not with a girthy brush lest thy liveth in a house of cards

    (like Kevin Spacey)

    (metaphor)

    so endeth the lesson

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. @72. And what took him so long; weather check- which way is the wind blowing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. what took him so long

    i don’t think harvardtrash ted’s on the same wapo talking points email list cowardpig war hero John McCain’s on

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  83. I’m remembering back to when Senator Ted Stevens, wrongly convicted of a trumped up crime was trashed by all the GOP politicians (including Sarah Palin) and still almost won election.

    Had this not happened, Obamacare would have been stopped in the Senate. Virtue signalling has consequences.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  84. doesn’t it seem kinda weird Sarah Palin hasn’t popped off with a juicy #metoo story or two

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. So, a 30-sonmthing guy hits on a young girl OVER the age of consent. She is flattered at the time BUT LATER (like right before the election) has “issues.”

    What the fu** has this country come to when a man cannot ask a grown woman (as the state sees it) out on a date without being thrown in prison? The thing about the 14yo is maybe creepy, but he didn’t make a move until it was legal. Does it have to be legal-legal now?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  86. is this a new thing?

    Ronna Romney McDaniel’s publishing without the “Romney” in her byline

    Hats off to Donald Trump for giving the American people what they want

    very savvy if it was on purpose – why carry all that nasty baggage around

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. The thing about the 14yo is maybe creepy

    have you seen any actual proof she was 14?

    i haven’t

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.

    This is actually worse than “recovered memories.” This is badgering people until they remember things right. I don’t much care for Judge Moore, but I do not want this to be the way things are done. I’m with “Jiggs” Casey on that.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  89. The conjured up evidence from actual degenerate William Allen, the chief prosecution witness (subsequently played by yes danson, do I need to say anymore) was suppressed in that case

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. it’s not surprising at all that kids who were sexually abused by a powerful legislator did not come forward until they heard about other victims coming forward.

    “Sexually abused”??!!

    He asked them for a date. Some said yes, some said no. Nothing happened.

    “None of the women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact.”

    Where do you get “sexual abuse” out of this, Dustin?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  91. Donald trump picked a good time to go to vietnam. hope is bone spurs don’t stop his trip!

    namster (a6bfac)

  92. Hey, do you suppose that it’s too late to change the ballot had anything to do with the timing?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  93. Menendez juror update

    Excused to take her promised (by the idiot judge) vacation she reveals her take on the state of deliberations. She voted for Menendez walking but one stick in the mud thinks taking favors might actually be sort of corrupt.

    The jury reloads without her on Monday.

    Judge Walls must be an Ito admirer.

    Rick Ballard (a99308)

  94. It’s macho grande again, interesting the Weinstein tie to black cube operator Stella Penn, didn’t raise as much interest

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. Gee when I was about 40, I dated 30yo ladies. One or two in their late 20s. Does this make me a pervert now?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  96. @66. Ben, conservatism is in meltdown:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRH2yr4y7Wg

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  97. allegations that he sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl

    That may actually be libel by Senator Gililland.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  98. So did they tell anybody at the time:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/928783337430372352

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. The Zodiac Killer strikes again.

    Pinandpuller (943acd)

  100. That Jessica Chastain film when she played a missed agent, this is before she became insufferable with Mrs Sloane comes to.mind

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. That may actually be libel by Senator Gililland.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/9/2017 @ 5:36 pm

    Yeah there’s a winning strategy. He should sue her to shut up!

    Gee when I was about 40, I dated 30yo ladies. One or two in their late 20s. Does this make me a pervert now?

    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/9/2017 @ 5:30 pm

    If you think that’s similar to a mid thirties man having a 14 year old girl undress and fondle his penis over his underwear, you have issues.

    On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her [when she was fourteen year old] hand to touch him over his underwear.

    Kevin, you do understand that Corfman claims to have been 14 when this happened, right? And when the Wapo said “aside from Corfman” and then describes 16-18 year olds, they are no longer talking about Corfman, right?

    Where do you get “sexual abuse” out of this, Dustin?

    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/9/2017 @ 5:22 pm

    Because adults putting kids in their car and having them fondle their genitals is sexual and it is abuse.

    Innocent until proven guilty, but the accuser here is giving us her name, and has corroborating victims. Corfman is a republican voter so it’s hard to see why she would turn her life upside down in a conspiracy with other women to help the democrats.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  102. Why are the ten commandments so threatening,
    That one goes to extraordinary extents to prescribe it, don’t tell me about the measuring angels on a pin test that the modern judicial diktat demands.

    narciso (d1f714)

  103. Don’t date girls who say “I’m this many”.

    Pinandpuller (943acd)

  104. Now the Bezos post apparently has no clue about either Weinstein or spaceys accusers, I guess if they aren’t on alreds list it doesn’t matter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  105. I don’t think this is a Democratic trick. At best they get one seat that will be lost again to the GOP when the seat comes up for its next election.

    Whereas GOP Sen. Moore would be the gift that keeps on giving…

    I do doubt that voters who could accept a judge who felt he could ignore judicial orders he didn’t like will be put off by the idea of a cradle snatching judge, especially if no actual molestation can be proved.

    kishnevi (0dce2b)

  106. Neither Corfman nor any of the other women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls. Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women.

    All that means is that there’s a network handling these women and marketing their stories. “[A] Post reporter heard”… LOL … he heard!

    nk (dbc370)

  107. We recall the usual suspects played the same game with Tom delay, the sham indictment came too late to remove him from the ballot.

    narciso (d1f714)

  108. I disagree, kishnevi. The Democrats are demoralized and in disarray. Moore’s scalp will be a big trophy on the coup stick.

    nk (dbc370)

  109. Like the fellow who replaced Mark Foley with the two mistresses. Now south Florida isn’t immune to sleazy or unstable pols, (take david rivera please) so it’s not totally out of the question

    narciso (d1f714)

  110. allegations that he sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl

    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/9/2017 @ 5:36 pm

    That may actually be libel by Senator Gililland.

    There aren’t any such allegations? (I cheked. Maybe not quite, yes/ I guess if the female s below the age of consent, Sen Gillebrand will call it assault because if he had had intercourse, it would be called rape))

    Note that she doesn’t mention anything about any of the other three women, who make no allegations of anything at all and are brought in an attempt to make this look like a #MeToo or Bill Cosby/Harvey Weinstein situation to people who are only paying halfway attention.

    narciso @95. Ehud Barak.

    Barak claims that he did not know that Weinstein was going to hire Black Cube to investigate sexual assault allegations when he connected him to the firm in 2016

    That is, he didn’t know what he wanted to hire them for.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  111. Gee when I was about 40, I dated 30yo ladies. One or two in their late 20s. Does this make me a pervert now?

    The rule of thumb that I’ve always heard is your age divided by 2 plus seven for the minimum. So you’re fine, but the only person dating a 14 year old should be another 14 year old.

    Davethulhu (6a4a84)

  112. Alabama has some of the best NICU facilities in the world. Thousands of babies have survived being born three months after their parents wedding.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  113. Now the Alabama trial bar is like mos Eisley and he hasn’t been particularly well disposed to them, of course their big bet was Bentley that worked out well.

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. Donald trump picked a good time to go to vietnam. hope is bone spurs don’t stop his trip!
    namster (a6bfac) — 11/9/2017 @ 5:25 pm

    He waited until he was the leader of a great army, navy and marine corp. And a so so air force.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  115. Probably explains why Bannon went after McConnell so unexpectedly this week.

    crazy (d99a88)

  116. Now any week is big for turtle soup,

    narciso (d1f714)

  117. I’m not tarring anyone or anything. If you refuse to believe that in the midst of any number of houses of worship, there are many in the pulpit who would abuse their power in one way or another, then you really need to study up on the fallen nature of man, and be reminded that no man is exempt.

    Dana (023079) — 11/9/2017 @ 4:33 pm

    You’re just falling for the anti-theist left’s playbook. They love to cast aspersions and trash the faithful.

    NJRob (b00189)

  118. there’s no such thing as turtle soup

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  119. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore

    Moore returned to Gadsden again in 1985. He ran in 1986 for Etowah County’s district attorney position against fellow Democrat Jimmy Hedgspeth. He lost that election as well, and Moore returned to private practice in the city. During this period, he married his wife Kayla, switched his affiliation to the GOP, and added to his office a wooden Ten Commandments plaque.

    http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/roy-moore-wife-kayla-alabama-age-kids-family/

    But how old is Kayla? How old was she in 1985?

    Even her bio doesn’t give her age!

    http://morallaw.org/our-staff/kmoore

    No dates are given here except that she married Roy S. Moore in 1985, and in January 2013, she was named President of the Foundation for Moral Law, taking over for her husband who was re-elected as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.

    I says she graduate from Southside High school in Etowah County, Alabama but no year is given. She he attended both Jacksonville State University and the University of Alabama. No year is given. She worked while in high school and later as a bookkeeper. No years.

    Maybe the opposition researchers are on to something. She does look younger than him if that’s a recent picture.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  120. NJRob, you’re the one slandering a Christian. Anyone who has read the New Testament recognizes the kind of people Dana is talking about. Try to make your arguments without the need for character assassination.

    NJRob, you of all people are the pious preacher and warning against generalizing now? You?

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/9/2017 @ 4:40 pm

    I’ve done my best to ignore you and not respond to your slander, but keep going. You show your true colors every time.

    Care to elaborate or would you rather just use innuendo and then claim plausible deniability?

    The devil can quote scripture way better than you can.

    NJRob (b00189)

  121. There aren’t any such allegations?

    There are NO allegations that he had any sexual contact with a 14-yo. He met her at 14, and may have befriended her (this is the creepy part), but it wasn’t until she was 16 or 17, of legal age, that he asked her out — and her mother said no.

    Again, NONE of these women allege any sexual contact. All they are saying is that it was unseemly for a 30yo to try to date a woman barely over the age of consent.

    In cases like this, careless or imprecise words should be avoided. There is a lot of smoke here, but no fire as yet. Despite Democrat partisans and their intentional mischaracterizations.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  122. It is in the bleak November
    And the DNC’s dying ember
    Casts its lies to the fore.
    Eagerly they seek to borrow,
    From the press surcease of sorrow,
    So they’ll shout out on the morrow,
    Never Moore!

    Never mind that the Washington Post is the house organ of the DNC. Never mind that Harry Reid pulled this exact same stuff with Romney’s taxes. We should mind that if these witches get away with this, no man is safe.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. Here’s a picture of them together. She doesn’t really look that much younger than him. But maybe when they took the picture they tried t make him look younger and her look older.

    http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/2016/06/roy-moores-wife-kayla-is-as-crazy-as-he.html

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  124. Maybe the opposition researchers are on to something. She does look younger than him if that’s a recent picture.

    In most marriages the husband is older. It’s the way it works. Women seek security, men seek beauty.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  125. Kayla Moore was a repeat beauty contestant according to her bio.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  126. have you seen any actual proof she was 14?

    i haven’t
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/9/2017 @ 5:17 pm

    Maybe she was sick for a year.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  127. Oops. I seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I missed the whole first paragraph. Cue Emily Litela.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  128. Weinstein Effect or La Niña?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  129. @122

    There are NO allegations that he had any sexual contact with a 14-yo. He met her at 14, and may have befriended her (this is the creepy part), but it wasn’t until she was 16 or 17, of legal age, that he asked her out — and her mother said no.

    Did you read the wapo article?

    Leigh Corfman says she was 14 years old when an older man approached her outside a courtroom in Etowah County, Ala. She was sitting on a wooden bench with her mother, they both recall, when the man introduced himself as Roy Moore.

    Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear.

    Davethulhu (6a4a84)

  130. i don’t think they have this story nailed down Mr. puller

    i think this is just one of them alabama hoochie hoaxers doing the dirty on a Republican for money

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  131. That Jessica Chastain film when she played a missed agent, this is before she became insufferable with Mrs Sloane comes to.mind
    narciso (d1f714) — 11/9/2017 @ 5:48 pm

    She totally got her kit off though in that weird Las Vegas movie.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  132. I wonder if we’ve reached the point where people no longer pay attention to the words (what’s actually being alleged) but only to the melody.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  133. You’re just falling for the anti-theist left’s playbook. They love to cast aspersions and trash the faithful.
    NJRob (b00189) — 11/9/2017 @ 6:20 pm

    Self Hating Closet Christians in denial.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  134. The Gadsen Flag, not to be confused with the Dirty Sanchez.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  135. nk (dbc370) — 11/9/2017 @ 6:27 pm

    I thought that was Guns and Roses right to the last verse!

    Apres Moore

    Le Deluge

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  136. I think that the Arabs have the right idea to put the b!tches in burkhas and not to let them out of the house alone.

    nk (dbc370)

  137. Only one of the women is alleging something serious.

    https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/roy-moore-accuser-leigh-corfman/

    At the time when these alleged incidents occurred, Moore was 32 and she was 14. That means, what, this was 38 years ago, in 1979.

    She also accuses him of giving her alcohol. Unfortunately for the attackers, the legal drinking age in Alabama at that time was 14.

    Kirsten Gillebrand, by the way, is misleading about what the polls say. Moore leads 51-40 in a poll. Don’t know about that Fox News poll.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  138. If everyone admitted their misunderstandings like Kevin it would be a lot easier to talk politics.

    But that aside, these allegations just came out and are a pretty obvious effort to screw with an election. Sleazy politics.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  139. Kirsten Gillebrand lied? Say it ain’t so, Joe!

    nk (dbc370)

  140. Have you seen Richard Spencer’s wife?

    She’s one black **** away from being Kim Kardashian.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  141. yay Roy Moore! he’s gonna be the best Alabama senator!

    so colorful so genteel

    he’s gonna do the good policies

    and Alabamans will be so proud to say yup Roy Moore’s our senator

    he represents us and it is so good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. To be fair a 30 year old in Alabama may be going into the 12th grade.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  143. But that aside, these allegations just came out and are a pretty obvious effort to screw with an election. Sleazy politics.

    Using New Jersey as a precedent, after Moore quits, the GOP sues the state to put Luther Strange on the ballot. “The people of Alabama deserve to have a choice for Senator.” Failing that, postpone the vote.

    It is utterly beyond belief that elections need a month lead time in this day and age.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  144. I’m not tarring anyone or anything. If you refuse to believe that in the midst of any number of houses of worship, there are many in the pulpit who would abuse their power in one way or another, then you really need to study up on the fallen nature of man, and be reminded that no man is exempt.

    Dana (023079) — 11/9/2017 @ 4:33 pm

    You’re just falling for the anti-theist left’s playbook. They love to cast aspersions and trash the faithful.

    NJRob (b00189) — 11/9/2017 @ 6:20 pm

    I’m curious why you feel the need to dismiss or ignore the fact that Christian pastors have just as sinful of a nature as you and me, and often indulge that nature in any number of ways, also just like you and me. What makes you think otherwise? Do you not believe that they too have feet of clay? Maybe google Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, Peter Popoff, Tony Alamo, Mark Driscoll, Darrin Patrick, David Loveless, Jack Schapp, and all the health-and-wealth scammers, etc., etc.

    Dana (023079)

  145. To be fair a 30 year old in Alabama may be going into the 12th grade.

    Or playing fullback for the Tide.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  146. Slanders you are perfectly willing to indulge based on no evidence whatsoever one Louis ck he is a stinking ratbastard that fx gave three seasons to.

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. I wonder if we’ve reached the point where people no longer pay attention to the words (what’s actually being alleged) but only to the melody.
    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73) — 11/9/2017 @ 6:40 pm

    Well she was just seventeen

    And you know what I mean

    I put her out in a town that was so small
    You could throw a rock from end to end
    A dirt road main street, she walked off in bare feet
    It’s a shame I won’t be passin’ through again

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  148. The worst thing is that I was just about to rent “John Wick” on Amazon, but knowing that serial killer apologist Jeff Bezos also owns WaPo is going to take half the pleasure out of it.

    nk (dbc370)

  149. the second one is a little too video gamey

    i can’t remember if i seen the first one

    probably did but i can’t remember

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  150. Its on sci-fi or USA almost every werk

    narciso (d1f714)

  151. look at you all one percent with your cable tv

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  152. > It is utterly beyond belief that elections need a month lead time in this day and age.

    Blame absentee balloting. Physical ballots have either already been mailed or are about to be.

    With only in-precinct voting, you could probably print everything, reprogram your voting software, and get things in place logistically with about ten days lead time. But since you have to mail people ballots with enough time for them to mail them back — and that includes soldiers stationed overseas, so you have to pad enough time for physical mail to go across the country – the lead time is actually *longer* than it was before voting by mail became common.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  153. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  154. > Failing that, postpone the vote.

    Is there a provision in Alabama law for that?

    I mean, it’s sorta irrelevant hypothesizing. Moore being who he is, he’s never going to step aside.

    But if he were (hypothetically, to illustrate the legal issues involved) to die, what then? The options seem to be:

    * leave him on the ballot, count votes for him as valid, then declare the seat vacant if he wins (this is my preferred approach)

    * leave him on the ballot, count votes for him as invalid, and let it be a de facto Jones victory. (I think this is insane, but I’ve seen people argue for the equivalent when Democrats have died late in the election cycle).

    * allow substitution on the ballot and reprint, with absentee votes for Moore either being counted as a replacement or invalidated (both of which I think are bad), or absentee ballots with Moore on them being invalid altogether (which is bad but, I think, less bad)

    * delay the election

    Delaying the election is problematic for regular elections as the date of regular federal elections is fixed by Congress, but for primaries and for special elections, a state could do it. That said, I’m not aware that it’s the general practice.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  155. Counterfeiters stop off in Alabama at a country store.

    Can I get change for an Eighteen?

    Sure, you want three Sixes, two Sevens and a Four or six Threes?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  156. Dustin – I think there’s an argument that the WaPo timed this story to interfere with the election.

    That said, given that (a) the paper found the women rather than the women finding the paper, and (b) there’s substantial corroborating evidence, I think there’s certainly enough basis to believe it to be true. Not to *know* it to be true, but to *believe* it to be true.

    I also think — look, the liberal partisan approach to this would be to hope Moore wins, because if he does, he’s going to be a drag on every Republican in a swing district next year, and since Alabama was a safe red seat anyhow, it’s not like he’s changing the balance of power if he wins.

    But I don’t want this man in the Senate. I don’t get to choose, I’m not an Alabaman, but I hope Alabama rejects him.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  157. You have Kevin spacey Netflix or Jeffrey tanbor amazon.

    narciso (d1f714)

  158. Is there a provision in Alabama law for that?

    Perhaps a penumbra sort of thing, in the EPC, because it is fundamentally undemocratic to sabotage the will of the people by destroying a political party’s chances with such cynical timing. Otherwise, of course there’s no provision in the law to fix this, which is precisely the point of the timing.

    there’s substantial corroborating evidence, I think there’s certainly enough basis to believe it to be true. Not to *know* it to be true, but to *believe* it to be true.

    Yeah, I think this is about right.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  159. “Gee when I was about 40, I dated 30yo ladies. One or two in their late 20s. Does this make me a pervert now?”

    – Kevin M

    Gee, were they legally children? By Alabama standards?

    Great analogy, Kevin.

    Leviticus (c7071a)

  160. amazon has The Durells in Corfu

    plus everyone loves The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel so far – even people really unlikely to like it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  161. Kevin makes the best analogies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  162. You have Kevin spacey Netflix or Jeffrey tanbor amazon.
    narciso (d1f714) — 11/9/2017 @ 7:28 pm

    Hints and allegations about him/her too.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  163. Narciso: ugh.

    I loved _the Usual Suspects_ and _Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil_, and I enjoyed the first couple of seasons of _House of Cards_. I’ve been enjoying _Transparent_, entirely because of the character Tambor plays (the characters of his children on the other hand, are all terrible).

    This was the first I’d heard of Tambor as I don’t follow Hollywood gossip. I wish it were shocking, but it isn’t; it’s depressingly normal. It needs to stop.

    As between the two, though, Spacey is way worse — his behavior, from what I’ve seen, included aggressive physical assaults, while Tambor’s behavior (so far) doesn’t seem to have.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  164. He and Mitch McConnel are neck and neck.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  165. Dustin, at 159: *today* I think there’s a case for replacement. But the closer we get to the election, the larger the problem of already cast absentee ballots becomes, and at some point you HAVE to draw the line and say “no, sorry, the election has already begun.” When that point is, I think, depends on the logistics of the state’s election process — I can talk in high level theory about how it ought to work in my mind, but I don’t know Alabama specifics.

    Votes for someone who is withdrawn or deceased should be considered valid in such a case, and if the deceased or withdrawn person wins, the position should be held as vacant and a new appointment or election held.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  166. 141, that is dumb of him, he’s supposed to be with a Nordic or Wasp with a more “80s” body, e.g. Taylor Swift.

    urbanleftbehind (8236d5)

  167. Even dumber: http://youtu.be/Vw-TUJTlTmo

    urbanleftbehind (8236d5)

  168. amazon has The Durells in Corfu

    Just read The Alexandria Quartet. And to go with it,
    The Gods Abandon Antony.

    kishnevi (0dce2b)

  169. Well he (spacey) has been playing sociopaths since wiseguy thirty some years ago. Talbot has generally been a schlub for many years, particularly the Hellboy films.

    So having a double plagiarist In the Senate, preceded by a single plagiarist who abandoned a young woman to die, but he’s had his hand on every prominent piece of legislation. How about grey eminence al Franken who practiced tax fraud as part of air America and secured his first race through voter fraud.
    Did any of those characters make you reconsider your vote

    narciso (d1f714)

  170. speaking of allegations with no proof

    there’s absolutely zero proof that judgy kentuckyslut Mitch McConnell has ever made love to a woman his whole life in America

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  171. The quartet craved an adaptation, why haven’t they?

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. Did you note the fandorin adaptation.

    narciso (d1f714)

  173. None of those were people that I had the option to vote for or against. And I find the implicit comparison in gravity of offense between plaigiarism and an adult sexually harassing a child to be absurdly missing the point.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  174. i added Alexandria to my cloud thank you for the push Mr. kishnevi

    it was kinda expensive

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  175. It’s just dawning on you now, HF?

    urbanleftbehind (8236d5)

  176. Kevin Spacey aside Anthony Rapp is an extremely freakish weird and a just kind of not very impressive dude all by himself

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  177. It’s just dawning on you now, HF?

    it really never occurred to me until it became so clear how much he absolutely wholly defines himself in opposition to an alpha male hetero like President Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  178. B if you’s a hobbit you need to tell me right the **** now.

    B you not a hobbit, right?

    John McCain, floor of the Senate

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  179. 141, that is dumb of him, he’s supposed to be with a Nordic or Wasp with a more “80s” body, e.g. Taylor Swift.
    urbanleftbehind (8236d5) — 11/9/2017 @ 7:38 pm

    His body type

    Beefin’ wid

    His color preference

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  180. Thank you, kishnevi.

    nk (dbc370)

  181. 179, true on Rapp, his only worthy role was the nebbish school newspaper nerd from Dazed and Confused who got a kiss from an…incoming 14 year old frwshman…oh the horror!

    urbanleftbehind (8236d5)

  182. urbanleftbehind (8236d5) — 11/9/2017 @ 7:41 pm

    Wow, did you see the Edith rape scene after that?

    Next on, a very Special Election.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  183. Ithaca, in the same collection, is my favorite of his poems.

    nk (dbc370)

  184. The Gods Abandon Antony.
    kishnevi (0dce2b) — 11/9/2017 @ 7:42 pm

    Did Greeks invent punctuation and all that? Are there Capital and small letters? I was just wondering about the way the verses were laid out. Citing kish, asking nk. Maybe I’m seeing the answer in the asking as far as capital letters goes.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  185. Makes a pretty good shotgun too, I hear.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  186. I’m curious why you feel the need to dismiss or ignore the fact that Christian pastors have just as sinful of a nature as you and me, and often indulge that nature in any number of ways, also just like you and me. What makes you think otherwise? Do you not believe that they too have feet of clay? Maybe google Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, Peter Popoff, Tony Alamo, Mark Driscoll, Darrin Patrick, David Loveless, Jack Schapp, and all the health-and-wealth scammers, etc., etc.

    Dana (023079) — 11/9/2017 @ 7:01 pm

    I don’t deny there are plenty of charlatans pretending to be members of the faithful. But I also state that there is a clear history of the left lying about Republicans and men to push their agenda which doesn’t come out till after they’ve won.

    You acknowledge one and not the other.

    I don’t trust the left. You seem to prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt over one who has led a public Christian life.

    NJRob (b00189)

  187. I think I’m seeing capital Greek letters vs small letters. I guess having seen the Greek system it would be more accurate to ask if Greek has small letters. And for…how…long?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  188. it has nothing to do with jesus alabama christ

    if the dems/nevertrumps can pick up this seat in Alabama there’s gonna be no danger whatsoever of conservative legislation coming out of the senate, and no danger of President Trump moving a conservative legislative agenda forward

    if we have to pay off a bunch of alabama trailer trash to do this then this is what we do

    heidi trump is still going to be ugly and mentally ill though

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  189. Did Greeks invent punctuation and all that? Are there Capital and small letters? I was just wondering about the way the verses were laid out. Citing kish, asking nk. Maybe I’m seeing the answer in the asking as far as capital letters goes.

    Not originally. They only had large and small capitals. The alphabet you see in the New Testament and now, with lower case letters and diacritic marks, was developed in Alexandria around the turn of the third century BC with special credit given to Aristophanes of Byzantium.

    nk (dbc370)

  190. Turn of the third century BC means the 300s becoming 200s.

    nk (dbc370)

  191. are we supposed to care about hondurans now

    i’m not clicking that fake news link

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  192. yes yes the hill has that story too Mr. narciso

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  193. I don’t know if it’s a fair exchange but I could tell you that with livestock brands you could have a T of course. On it’s side it’s called a lazy T -1 or a round topped T -). It’s common for a brand to use the same iron twice like 7L. Diamonds are popular or half diamonds .

    Mostly they are applied to the hip. Each brand actually has an ear mark that goes with it but that’s a little harder to illustrate. I thought about getting mine tattooed on me. Looks about like

    (- -)

    Maybe I’ve said too much.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  194. Greek poetry is a doctoral level subject. That opera I linked for you a few weeks back — the lyricist got the Nobel Prize in Poetry for it.

    nk (dbc370)

  195. It thought my diamond < was code lol

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  196. Can you help me sue George Lucas for infringing on my brand for Darth Vader’s Tie Fighter?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  197. grandma had brands of south texas ranches painted on the ceiling of her receiving room, including her own one

    we still have the branding iron for it somewheres

    it was a wood-paneled room with these gorgeous wood-slat blinds along the side facing the pecan grove

    i worked on my masters there in that room, after she moved to the assisted living facility (which promptly killed her quite dead)

    i only went to the ranch one time

    it was raining and as a consequence the ranch was absurdly muddy, and mom wouldn’t let us out of the car

    now that everyone’s dead i haven’t the slightest idea how to track this ranch down but for to track down that brand

    but that seems like a lot of fuss

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. A lady, with more money than sense, moves to Texas and is very anxious to show her Texaneness. She has a leather jacket made with different cattle brands imprinted all over it, and is very proud of it, until she hears one Texan say to another: “That lady sure has changed hands a lot.”

    nk (dbc370)

  199. Near to the east
    In a part of ancient Greece
    In an ancient land called Macedonia
    Was born a son
    To Philip of Macedon
    The legend his name was Alexander

    At the age of nineteen
    He became the Macedon King
    And he swore to free all of Asia Minor
    By the Aegian Sea
    In 334 B.C.
    He utterly beat the armies of Persia

    [Chorus:]
    Alexander the Great
    His name struck fear into hearts of men
    Alexander the Great
    Became a legend ‘mongst mortal men

    King Darius the third
    Defeated fled Persia
    The Scythians fell by the river Jaxartes
    Then Egypt fell to the Macedon King as well
    And he founded the city called Alexandria

    By the Tigris river
    He met King Darius again
    And crushed him again in the battle of Arbela
    Entering Babylon
    And Susa, treasures he found
    Took Persepolis the capital of Persia

    [Chorus:]
    Alexander the Great
    His name struck fear into hearts of men
    Alexander the Great
    Became a God amongst mortal men

    A Phrygian King had bound a chariot yoke
    And Alexander cut the ‘Gordian knot’
    And legend said that who untied the knot
    He would become the master of Asia

    Hellenism he spread far and wide
    The Macedonian learned mind
    Their culture was a western way of life
    He paved the way for Christianity

    Marching on, marching on
    The battle weary marching side by side
    Alexander’s army line by line
    They wouldn’t follow him to India
    Tired of the combat, pain and the glory

    Alexander the Great
    His name struck fear into hearts of men
    Alexander the Great
    He died of fever in Babylon

    Iron Maiden

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  200. Strike that from the record.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  201. Rip John hillerman

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. Every state that allows for brands has a registry but you have to pick it out of a lineup. Or maybe remember your family member’s name. You can buy them but you have to re-up every 10 years and if you forget it goes up and it’s a free for all.

    Maybe send them some DNA.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  203. i actually can’t find where anyone’s done a jacket like that Mr. nk

    you should make that happen

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  204. the brand was fashioned after grandma’s name so it’s easy to remember Mr. puller

    but it’s ok to let these things go

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  205. And that, kids, is how we got Roy Moore. Thanks Greece!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  206. The good news is you can probably use it on anything but livestock and the gooder news is Texas doesn’t hang people anymore if I’m wrong. Ask Mr Beldar…on second thought he won’t talk to you.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  207. It’s apocryphal. Like the allegations against Roy Moore.

    nk (dbc370)

  208. We should throw Roy Moore in honey to preserve him for future generations.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  209. bloody queen of englund and me we not speakin either

    don’t make her no ways special do it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  210. Oh, I still don’t like him. I’m defending him because, like I said above, if this stuff sticks, nobody’s safe.

    nk (dbc370)

  211. What do you mean if they’ve clarence Thomas for 26 years now, it was the first step in Janet napolitanos career.

    Ted heath he at least has an excuse

    narciso (d1f714)

  212. You are a lawyer after all.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  213. Is it harder to defend someone you don’t like or attack someone you like?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  214. @218

    You can strike that from the record if only because it was such a lazy, gratuitous comment. I don’t think they even test perfume on lawyers anymore.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  215. The song.

    The translation:
    The World is a cell
    And we are prisoners
    Without cause damned and condemned.

    And when the prison opens at nightfall
    In a narrow byway Death takes us.

    The World is a cell
    So bless your youth.
    Cherish the handclasp and the kiss
    And walk like a god.

    For when the prison opens at nightfall
    In a narrow byway Death takes us

    nk (dbc370)

  216. You are a lawyer after all.
    Is it harder to defend someone you don’t like or attack someone you like?

    Every man is innocent until proven broke.

    nk (dbc370)

  217. @190. nk @193.

    … [the alphabet with] lower case letters and diacritic marks, was developed in Alexandria around the turn of the third century BC with special credit given to Aristophanes of Byzantium.

    I had thought that punctuation and lower case letters came in later, in Latin – sometime between 500 and 1500. Or did it happen in Latin only later, but earlier in Greek?

    Pinandpuller @204:

    At the age of nineteen
    He became the Macedon King
    And he swore to free all of Asia Minor
    By the Aegian Sea

    Actually, this was the project of his father, Phillip, who was assassinated. Phillip didn’t want to “free” Asia. He wanted to rule it, as he had the Greek islands and near islands.

    The wars with Persia had been over for over 100 years.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)


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