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11/7/2017

Virginia Results

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:49 pm



All I know is, it’s not Trump’s fault:

God, I hate the Inflatable football helmet tunnel new 280-character Twitter.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

231 Responses to “Virginia Results”

  1. Use this post to talk about Virginia results.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. VA chose a sincere Democrat over an insincere Trumpist.

    kishnevi (4db2c4)

  3. And they’ll get it good and hard as Mencken said.

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. Of course w campaigned for gillespie, yes that worked out well.

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. bush legacy eff yeah

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. Trump put in the effort to get one of you establishment republican types elected. It’s just not gonna work. you’re toast.

    jcurtis (0a4300)

  7. Did Trump carry Virginia?

    nk (dbc370)

  8. Virginia is the home of George Washington, not George Wallace.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7KnYd4Qk6c

    Here’s to the losers… bless ’em all…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. @8. He likely dated her.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  11. Virginia is the home of George Washington, not George Wallace.

    Washington surrendered and was briefly a prisoner of the French at Fort Necessity. That means he’s not a war-hero in the eyes of Private Bonespurs.

    Dave (445e97)

  12. People are just choosing sides as we get closer to a permanent separation in this nation.

    NJ committed suicide today as well.

    NJRob (b00189)

  13. The real story here, IMO, is the House of Delegates, where the Democrats picked up at least 13 seats, and possibly as many as 17, and are right on the edge of turning a just-barely-not-veto-proof Republican majority into a just-bu-the-skin-of-their-teeth Democratic majority.

    That’s an impressive shift even if they don’t get the majority, and NOBODY predicted it.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  14. The wording of Trump’s tweet reminds me of the exchange between Gladstone and Disraeli in the House of Commons:

    Gladstone: Sir, you shall either meet your end on the gallows, or from venereal disease.

    Disraeli: I should think that depends entirely on whether I embrace your principles, or your mistress.

    Dave (445e97)

  15. I think that says something about the House of Commons.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  16. And Congress.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  17. “Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for”

    Well, duh. It wasn’t about who would lead Virginia for the next few years. It was all about a President’s outsized ego and his need to be adored. Sorta like Obama, just whiter.

    Bill H (383c5d)

  18. I see Trump as -5 points across the board in 2018. Something could change of course, but I’m betting it won’t be Trump. And, again, if the GOP loses the House Trump will be impeached for “being unfit” and there won’t be a lot of support in the Senate.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  19. That’s an impressive shift even if they don’t get the majority, and NOBODY predicted it.

    The Trumpoids are stuipid enough to vote for the Democrat if the Republcian doesn’t kiss the ring, and of course if they do kiss, the center won’t vote for them.

    Without Hillary as the bogeywoman, any palatable Democrat looks fine to the center.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  20. Trump lost Virginia to Hillary 49.7% to 44.4%. Now, Gillespie got 45% to Northam’s 53.9%, with only one third-party who got the remaining 1.1%. If anything, Gillespie’s identification with Trump just by having an (R) contributed to his loss.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. Washington surrendered and was briefly a prisoner of the French at Fort Necessity. That means he’s not a war-hero in the eyes of Private Bonespurs.
    Dave (445e97) — 11/7/2017 @ 10:01 pm

    He was a great master and a fearful servant.

    Pinandpuller (30e3d8)

  22. Why would any sane person be caught voting for boosh cronies?
    The worst president in modern times. The pig gave us Obama, can’t be worst than that.

    mg (60b0f7)

  23. “The broadcast evening newscasts on three major networks on Thursday didn’t mention bombshell revelations by former Democratic National Committee interim Chairwoman Donna Brazile.

    Brazile has written in a new book that she discovered evidence that she said showed Hillary Clinton’s campaign “rigged” the Democratic presidential primary.

    “ABC’s World News Tonight,” “NBC Nightly News” and “CBS Evening News” all didn’t report the allegations by Brazile on Thursday evening despite it receiving considerable coverage on cable news and in print and online media. Brazile was also trending as one of Twitter’s top topics on Thursday.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/358589-network-newscasts-dont-mention-brazile-clinton-dnc-revelations?amp

    Can’t vote against them if you don’t know how crooked they are……so blame Trump.

    harkin (b4548f)

  24. Effing rinos from Virgina couldnt beat a tranny. 2018 is gonna be queer.

    mg (60b0f7)

  25. plus this deals a grievous blow to the Bush/Romney Republican white nationalist movement

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. On their path to California, fired-up beat apathetic in a rout.

    crazy (d99a88)

  27. Trump secured 1.8 million votes and Gillespie 1.2 million.

    Looks like Gillespie did indeed need to embrace Trump and the voters he stands for.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  28. Northam may have cajoled some Dreamer sympathizers into a sista souljah moment: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/watch-ralph-northams-victory-speech-interrupted-by-protesters/article/2639979 (ref. Kishnevi at #173 In the previous thread).

    urbanleftbehind (cca87c)

  29. Looks like Gillespie did indeed need to embrace Trump and the voters he stands for.

    BuDuh (fc15db) — 11/8/2017 @ 5:30 am

    Seems like a few of Trump’s supporters are very defensive about the powerful rebuke Trump has received from voters.

    Trump has never been popular, and lost the vote by a few million to Hillary (hillary being one of the least palatable or competent presidential candidates in living memory, still got mmmmmmiiilllllllions more people to vote for her). Since that time, he’s been pretty embarrassing, failed to deliver on most of his platform, namely the flow of illegal immigrants, the tax hike, obamacare being cemented as an entitlement, spending boom. I’m very pleased with his appointment record and would vote for him on those grounds alone if I knew he was going to be this way, but by and large I’m not surprised he’s polling so much worse than really any other president in the first couple years of office.

    Gerald Ford’s approval dipped below 40 when he pardoned Nixon. It’s very unlikely Trump’s poll average will be as good as Ford’s was!

    The effort to rehabilitate Trump’s image, such as saying these losses show Trump’s ring wasn’t kissed quite enough, are absolutely hilarious. That’s not how a country this large works. Trump is the GOP brand, and long term, the costs of nominating him are very high.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  30. Seems like Dustin is pretty defensive about Gillespie’s lack of voters compared to Trump.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  31. The inflow has been dramatically slowed, simply through rhetoric and unbound and unpredictable interior enforcement. You may have a case if you said “failed…no expeditious removal of illegal aliens”. There he has sat on his hands relatively speaking.

    urbanleftbehind (cca87c)

  32. oh my goodness President Trump’s doing a much better job on immigration and taxes and obamacare than a filthy white nationalist like Jeb Bush woulda done that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. Font worry it’s pining for the fnords

    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/tax-bill-2017/card/1510145400?mod=e2tw

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. They woke Danny Davis up for that (trying and failing to save the adoption credit)?

    urbanleftbehind (cca87c)

  35. Turnout is different for Presidential elections and odd-year gubernatorial elections. In this election, the turnout was the highest in 20 years, and Gillespie got a little bit of a higher percentage than Trump did last November. Comparing it to 2013 — he got 1,172,533 to Cuccinelli’s 1,013,354. And regardless of Trump’s raw turnout, Hillary’s was bigger.

    I know, I know, #FakeNews.

    nk (dbc370)

  36. President Trump is for the people Mr. nk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. Who cares if Hillary got more votes in 2016?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  38. On the subject of fake news, I knew this right from the beginning. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/08/a-black-student-wrote-those-racist-messages-that-shook-the-air-force-academy/?utm_term=.129695ea992a I would have bet the farm on it, and it’s a nice farm with a stone house, good pasturage, and olive and fig trees, even if it is a little overgrown.

    Don’t tell me you guys didn’t know it, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. Yes and they voted for Antigua and ms 13 over law enforcement or entrepreneurs

    narciso (e7d4a8)

  40. Seems like Dustin is pretty defensive about Gillespie’s lack of voters compared to Trump.

    BuDuh

    You know when you’re criticized and the basis for this criticism is laid out, and all you can do is respond like a five year old child, that’s a sign of the strength of your point of view.

    Who cares if Hillary got more votes in 2016?

    BuDuh

    You, apparently. This seems to be getting some reactions from you in particular. And Trump of course. And yes, Hillary did get millions and millions more votes than Trump. Hillary, one of the weakest presidential candidates, utterly unappealing, probably with bona fide brain damage, and more Americans want her to be president than Trump. It is a sign of the strength of the rule of law that America allows Trump, a deeply unqualified man, to be president, when most of us prefer he not be.

    As Trump continues to lose and fail, we will only hear that he’s winning in more and more strident, desperate terms. But remember, the only surprise, the only shock, is that he won the election in the first place, when everyone predicted (accurately) he couldn’t get as many votes as Hillary would. That was a huge upset, as Trump reminds us all the time. It’s an upset for a reason… Trump really is a terrible person.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  41. This was a must win like the Dodgers in game 5. There will be no cheers in Mudville when the Mighty Trump picks up the soap in the shower and sees his shadow, Mueller.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  42. Who cares if Hillary got more votes in 2016?

    People who care whether Trump has coattails. Which he does not.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. Oh, this is a referendum on Hillary. I see.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  44. Al gore got more votes in 2000, then he went all grizzly Adams, gillespie was Mr. Rogers yet the dems painted him as vandal savage.

    narciso (e7d4a8)

  45. DCSCA, did the newly elected Sikh mayor of Hoboken regale his supporters with a rendition of My Way?

    urbanleftbehind (cca87c)

  46. #33 explains it well.

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  47. Btw our duma hasn’t seen fit to seat the chief of the civil rights division, so the thalosian minions,are still in charge.

    narciso (e7d4a8)

  48. Sean Trende’s pre-vote analysis holds up pretty well and together with narciso’s J Christian Adams’ argument that VA voters didn’t get any more excited about Gillespie’s “JEB!” message than they did when JEB offered it in the primaries is probably the best explanation for what happened.

    Trump will likely remain a hot potato in the upcoming midterms candidates will have to figure out how to deal with but the electorate has moved on from the Bush message even if the GOP establishment has not.

    crazy (d99a88)

  49. Cucinelli took 45.23% in 2013 to Gillespie’s 44.95% while Northam took 53.87% to McAuliffe’s 47.75%. Gillespie outperformed Trump by .45% while Northam outperformed Clinton by 4.14%.

    The candidates were evenly match but the House of Delegates results indicate the thinness of the ranks of the platoons of Pepes when confronting a decent GOTV effort. They were defeated very thoroughly and in detail.

    Rick Ballard (a99308)

  50. oh my goodness President Trump’s doing a much better job on immigration and taxes and obamacare than a filthy white nationalist like Jeb Bush woulda done that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/8/2017 @ 6:16 am

    Though Trump is raising my taxes, Bush’s main basis for his candidacy was his successful record as a governor who lowered taxes in a growing state with a booming economy. Maybe in the next few years Trump will change his tune, but there is no honest argument available that Trump is better than Jeb on taxes. Read my lips, Trump broke his promise.

    On Obamacare, Trump is simply as bad as possible. He is Obama when it comes to Obamacare. He’s worse than Romney. Trump promised he would do something and did not do it. Jeb’s a squish and I don’t really think he would have done anything much better, but he promised a full repeal.

    On amnesty, Trump fans love to demonize Rubio and Jeb, and for some reason they don’t care that Trump is bad at keeping his immigration related promises. They’d rather fight a culture war on ‘muslim ban’ hashtags I guess. Take your worst version of Jeb or Rubio and that’s what Trump turned out to be. The only difference is the same people who cared before don’t care now.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  51. Trump isn’t raising any taxes that’s for sure he’s unleashing the animal spirits!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  52. It’s kind of blanc mange, that will never beat the invaders from andromeda.

    narciso (e7d4a8)

  53. A choice not a muffled trouble chirp, is a reasonable interpretation.

    narciso (e7d4a8)

  54. GOP tax bill would end deduction for wildfire and earthquake victims — but not recent hurricane victims

    Heh

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-wildfire-tax-deduction-20171107-story.html

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  55. Trump isn’t raising any taxes that’s for sure he’s unleashing the animal spirits!

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/8/2017 @ 7:02 am

    … no you are completely wrong again.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  56. PUNISHING BLUE STATES

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  57. Maybe if Paul singer has spent his efforts on matters other than the dossier.

    narciso (e7d4a8)

  58. The presence of Trump appears to be a slight negative for the GOP while the absence of Clinton appears to be a definite plus for Democrats (as is the absence of Obama). The failure to deliver on the part of a GOP led Congress may well be a greater negative than the presence of the Buffoon in Chief.

    Rick Ballard (a99308)

  59. How did the whole Hullabaloo over Clayton Williams work out, did Anne Richards turn out to be just the windbag we knew she was.

    narciso (e7d4a8)

  60. Next up, BuDuh explaining to us how a landmine is in fact just like a vagina, like Mr. Trump said.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. if sleazy deranged coward-trash like torture-turd John McCain wasn’t obstructing everything out of spite and bitterness, this Gillespie person would have had a better chance

    (sleazy mccain hates filthy bush toadies among like a million other things he hates)

    (he’s a very hateful and bitter man)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  62. Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for.

    That reminds me of Bill Clinton claiming he helps Democrats win elections.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  63. Clayton Williams was only useful in that he could have pre-empted or delayed W. as TX GOV although that might have threw his timing off for 2000. Que the 9/12/01 “Gore would have apologized to OBL” hysterics.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  64. Gillespie lost because of an October 2016 article? Thanks for the explanation, nk.

    Did Trump become POTUS because of the same article?

    BuDuh (fc15db)

  65. President Trump became POTUS because the people embraced his commonsense conservatism

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. Appalled getting licks in over in Trumplandia…Jizzed One Minute.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  67. For some reason I cannot fathom, my daughter likes New York. And I don’t mean just Uptown. The last time she was there, she went to church services at Canaan Baptist Church in Harlem. And I keep telling her: “Keep away from Fifth Avenue!”

    nk (dbc370)

  68. Appalled getting licks in over in Trumplandia…Jizzed One Minute.
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 11/8/2017 @ 8:05 am

    If it makes you feel bettrer Fine.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  69. Feeling much better, thanks.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  70. I am glad, Mr. Burns.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  71. So you were on the ranger?

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. My daughter gets a false impression of NYC from How I Met Your Mother and I dont help it by doing the whole Law and Order loop on TNT while cleaning the house on Saturdays.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  73. Does anyone think a 2/3 vote to roto-root the WH is impossible? There seems growing gravitas.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  74. Why would any sane person be caught voting for boosh cronies?

    We voted for Trump. That’s a very low bar.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  75. In case you haven’t got the memo:

    The Democrat plan for 2018: Nationalize the election by making it about Impeaching Trump. Tom Steyer (who spends $100 million every two years through his PAC) is setting the tone. It will just get worse after this debacle in Virginia.

    The result: the Long March of the GOP through 34 statehouses, the House and the Senate will be gutted by a President who just got 140 more characters to beclown himself with.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  76. @75- LOL- Gee, doesn’t she watch Friends and know every young NYer scores a huge, airy, multi-roomed apartment and lounge at a coffee shop?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. Not as low as the booshes.

    mg (60b0f7)

  78. Mr. Ed never wanted victory. If he did he would have begged Trump to campaign for him.

    mg (60b0f7)

  79. Gerald Ford’s approval dipped below 40 when he pardoned Nixon. It’s very unlikely Trump’s poll average will be as good as Ford’s was!

    Gerald Ford nearly beat Carter. Lost 50-48 & 297-240. He took Virginia, too. Also, California. Pence might have a chance in 2020.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  80. That ’76 electoral map proves the southern strategy really didnt take hold until at least 20+ years after its supposed inception (the ’94 wave and there even remaining some pockets of Dem until 2010)

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  81. It should be pointed out that Virginia is VERY sensitive to its Jim Crow past, and does not like candidates that remind them of it. Many of them lived with the Klan in the 50s and 60s and are not keen on seeing a resurgence of that kind of thing. Each white-identity yahoo who flocks to Trump’s banners costs 10 votes from other whites.

    That terrible commercial with the pickup “chasing” immigrant kids hit home. Think of it as the Revenge of Willie Horton.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  82. But its weird that the aryans and the surs have sort of an alliance in the California Penal system.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  83. That ’76 electoral map proves the southern strategy really didnt take hold

    It was clearly taking hold. The GOP has swept the South in every election since 1972, except for those with a Southern Democratic candidate (Carter, Clinton), and Reagan stomped Carter anyway in the South.

    One of the reasons the Dems picked Carter was to try to reclaim the South. Didn’t work after Carter was seen as a fool, bless his heart.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  84. Gillespie lost in Virginia because he’s from… New Jersey.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. In case you haven’t got the memo:

    The Democrat plan for 2018: Nationalize the election by making it about Impeaching Trump. Tom Steyer (who spends $100 million every two years through his PAC) is setting the tone. It will just get worse after this debacle in Virginia.

    I’m a bit skeptical.

    Trump is a bumbling, incompetent idiot, and a fatal liability as a party leader.

    I just don’t see any upside for them in impeachment. Sure, it would be good for the country to send him back to the sewer he crawled out of, but he’s the perfect bogey man: utterly toxic and totally ineffective.

    A better strategy would probably be to hold impeachment hearings interminably, without ever pulling the trigger.

    Dave (445e97)

  86. Gerald Ford nearly beat Carter. Lost 50-48 & 297-240. He took Virginia, too. Also, California.

    Ironically, it may have been Ford’s inexplicable gaffe in the presidential debate (saying Poland wasn’t under Soviet domination…um, what?) that cost him a very close election.

    When I was 13, I attended Ford’s last campaign rally on his way home to Grand Rapids, and shook his hand afterward as he was making his way through the crowd. His voice was so hoarse from campaigning, he could barely speak.

    Dave (445e97)

  87. At least Gillespie’s not blaming Putin.

    crazy (d99a88)

  88. Tom Steyer is just another Lyin’ Ted from Goldbrick Sacks. Bring back the Pillory.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  89. Denial is strong in these Trumpies.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  90. I just don’t see any upside for them in impeachment. Sure, it would be good for the country to send him back to the sewer he crawled out of, but he’s the perfect bogey man: utterly toxic and totally ineffective.

    The upside is this: “You need to elect Democrats because you can’t trust the Republicans with your well-being.” The whole dynamic between the parties has been “The other side is worse!” for decades. There’s nothing like a Crusade to gather up the troops.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  91. (saying Poland wasn’t under Soviet domination…um, what?)

    And it was Poland that threw the Soviets out first. And it started before Carter’s term was over.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  92. All of this talk about the upside or downside of impeachment shows, I think, how disconnected y’all are from Democrats.

    While there’s certainly a group that says “No, don’t! Pence would be worse because he’s a real social conservative and he’s not incompetent”, the overwhelming feeling in Democratic circles is that Trump is the biggest threat to the country in modern times. There would be zero substantial support for holding off impeachment.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  93. Nope to Pence dope. He’d pardon everyone including the ham sandwich. Blood atonement may be unnecessary if enough privileged elites are enjoying less beluga and more carrion carbonara.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  94. 89. 95. What Ford clearly had started out to say was that the Soviet Union did not dominate Eastern Europe because of the Helsinki agreement! Because hed been criticized for signing the Helsinki agreement (which actually tuened out to a bad thing, because the ony thing that tuened out to matter, thanks to Anatoly (now Natan) Scharansky were the human rights provisions added to it as ameaningless sop – I mean there were several human rights clauses in international agreements, like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 (which, by the way, very carefully omitted the right to ENTER any country (even if that could leave some people with no place left on earth to go to) and only had the right to LEAVE because it was written in 1948 and not, say, 1868, like a treaty the United States made with China.)

    Brezhnev very much wanted the Helsinki agreement because he was concerned, somehow, that the European boundary changes made after World War II, in which the Soviet Union gained portions of Poland, Czechoslovakia,and Rumania might be reversed some day, something which, 30 years after the war, nobody had any intention of doing.

    But Leonid Brezhnev wanted an agreement that the European boundaries as they stood could not be changed any more. The western and NATO countries did not object in principal, but they saw no reason to sign something like that, so the human rights provisions were added as a sweetener.

    The Helsinki agreement came back to bite Russia in more ways than one. It meant also, years later, when the Soviet Union split up into its constituent republics (that’s how Yeltsin got rid of Gorbachev after the failed Soviet coup) territory could not be transferred from Ukraine to Russia. Nikita Khrushchevv had engineered a transfer of Crimea from the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954. This was almost meaningless then, but after December 25, 1991, it wasn’t so meaningless.
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    Maybe there was some doubt as to whether the helsinki agreement applied to that, but in 1994, the major powers agreed with Yeltsin that Crimea would stay with Ukraine and arrangements were made for Russia to keep its naval base.

    Anyway there was Ford speaking very articulately – and he;d forgitten what he’d intended to say in that sentence!

    Max frankel hads said, in a question:

    We’ve virtually signed, in Helsinki, an agreement that the Russians have dominance in Eastern Europe.

    Ford had said:

    http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=october-6-1976-debate-transcript`

    ….. In the case of Helsinki, thirty-five nations signed an agreement, including the Secretary of State for the Vatican – I can’t under any circumstances believe that the – His Holiness, the Pope would agree by signing that agreement that the thirty-five nations have turned over to the Warsaw Pact nations the domination of the – Eastern Europe. It just isn’t true. And if Mr. Carter alleges that His Holiness by signing that has done it, he is totally inaccurate.

    Now, what has been accomplished by the Helsinki agreement? Number one, we have an agreement where they notify us and we notify them of any uh – military maneuvers that are to be be undertaken. They have done it. In both cases where they’ve done so, there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe…

    And he should have said BECAUSE of tghe Helsinki agreement, but instead he said:

    there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe and there never will be under a Ford administration.

    MS. FREDERICK: Governor Carter?

    MR. FRANKEL: I’m sorry, I – could I just follow – did I understand you to say, sir, that the Russians are not using Eastern Europe as their own sphere of influence in occupying mo- most of the countries there and in – and making sure with their troops that it’s a – that it’s a Communist zone, whereas on our side of the line the Italians and the French are still flirting with the possibility of Communism?

    MR. FORD: I don’t believe, uh – Mr. Frankel that uh – the Yugoslavians consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union. I don’t believe that the Rumanians consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union. I don’t believe that the Poles consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union. Each of those countries is independent, autonomous: it has its own territorial integrity and the United States does not concede that those countries are under the domination of the Soviet Union. As a matter of fact, I visited Poland, Yugoslavia and Rumania to make certain that the people of those countries understood that the president of the United States and the people of the United are dedicated to their independence, their autonomy and their freedom.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  95. narciso @99

    What Holman W. Jenkins, Jr. write in the Wall Street Journal is glaringly obvious. (i.e., that some bad actor, maybe a foreign intelligence agency, leaked these papers, and this is probably not the doing of a sincere whistleblower or the proverbial 400-pound teenager.)

    He writes the whole thing may have been done to hit one target.

    He really doesn’t know what was the target, (maybe Wilbur Ross) but notes nobody is asking these questions.

    Is there not something strangely blinkered, if not actively disingenuous, about a consortium (virtually a monopoly) of investigative journalists that seems to exist to do the bidding of its undisclosed sources?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  96. A group called Latino Victory Fund created the ad but pulled it after a terrorist reportedly shouting “Allahu Akbar” murdered eight people in New York City using a pickup truck.

    Northam distanced his campaign from the ad, telling WAVY-TV, “That commercial did not come from our campaign. It certainly is not a commercial that I would have wanted to run.”

    But disclosure forms suggest the Northam campaign may have been involved, as the Northam campaign reported a $62,729.60 “in-kind” contribution in the form of “media” from the Latino Victory Fund shortly after the ad came out. Under Virginia law, a media contribution is “in-kind” only if the campaign worked with the outside group on the ad.

    that still makes the Northam campaign more honest than the Hillary Clinton campaign – or maybe more careful about abiding by campaign finance laws. Their lawyer for that was not Marc Elias.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  97. If the ad only ran on Spanish language media maybe it’s target wasn’te verybody,- they did have to be careful about where they ran it.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  98. It’s not Donald Trump who is ballot box posion in some states – it’s the entire Republican Party.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  99. Kevin M (752a26) — 11/8/2017 @ 9:58 am

    The Democrat plan for 2018: Nationalize the election by making it about Impeaching Trump. Tom Steyer (who spends $100 million every two years through his PAC) is setting the tone. It will just get worse after this debacle in Virginia.

    That’s not teh zDemocratic plan.

    It’s what some donors and others want it to be. And the Dem Cong leaders know that is terrible, and tghey certainly couldn’t accomplish it anyway.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  100. 86. the dsems didn’t picked Jimmy Carter. Carter picked Carter.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  101. Gerald Ford nearly beat Carter. Lost 50-48 & 297-240. He took Virginia, too. Also, California. Pence might have a chance in 2020.

    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/8/2017 @ 10:03 am

    Yes that fascinates me. Ford’s approval shot up and give or take a few percent he was at half approval (which is far better than Trump is seeing). Partisanship is a great way to reduce the quality of our leadership.

    But yes, Pence probably will have a powerful change. Standing for so little except that he’s a partisan is going to be a much better strategy than, say, Rand Paul’s standing for something.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  102. While there’s certainly a group that says “No, don’t! Pence would be worse because he’s a real social conservative and he’s not incompetent”, the overwhelming feeling in Democratic circles is that Trump is the biggest threat to the country in modern times. There would be zero substantial support for holding off impeachment.

    aphrael (

    I see that panic about Pence and it’s always from the fringe. Pence is oatmeal who will promote some of the social policies Obama pretended to support for a while. Big whoop. Meanwhile Trump is tweeting insecure macho crap to dictators about their nukes.

    However, Dave is correct that Pence is not going to do much for democrats politically, and Trump is a gift. I disagree with Dave that the 2018 election could get Trump impeached because it’s not going to shake up the Senate that much. The push to impeach Trump is juicy enough to really get dem turnout and I’m sure the dems are going to pick up a ton of seats.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  103. My expectation at the moment is that the House will flip but that the Senate won’t. I expect some Dem pickups in the Senate (NV, for one, and likely AZ), but I also expect Manchin and Donnelly to lose.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  104. Also — yeah, I’m *not* in the “Pence would be worse” camp. Trump is, in my estination, a unique and very dangerous problem. I would take almost anybody before I’d take him (and here I’ll remind everyone that I’m a gay liberal living in San Francisco who voted for Ted Cruz for president in the hopes of denying Trump a delegate — I really *would* take almost anybody before I’d take Trump).

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  105. Aphrael: wow! What an outlier you are.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  106. I just think that if the Dems were thinking strategically, they would orient their efforts toward 2020.

    Taking the House in 2018 buys them little. It DOES allow them to block the legislation that isn’t getting passed anyway due to Trump’s mental incapacity and inability to lead, and it DOES allow them to use the oversight power to harass and embarrass the administration.

    Of course they would rather control the House than not, but it won’t allow them to block judges, or pass legislation of their own.

    On the other hand, there is still no indication that they can find a candidate in 2020 who isn’t just as flawed as Hillary. Biden is almost as unserious as Trump, and Warren is even less likable than Clinton.

    Governors are the traditional source of fresh blood, but I haven’t heard any mentioned as serious prospects for 2020. There are sixteen possibilities, after last night; Brown and Cuomo are the only ones with any national visibility or name recognition at this point, and Brown is surely too old.

    Dave (445e97)

  107. Aphrael is not that much of an outlier – he simply sees things this way: That the most serious problem with Trump is personal, maybe foreign policy/defense, rather than his position, for now anyway, on the political spectrum, where you could think Pence would be less likely to alter, and where you could think he would be more committed, ad maybe even do things differently than Trump, who, afrer all, sees the other point of view on many things.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  108. Re: the idea of Dems thinking strategically.

    If Trump were thinking (or at last tweeting) more strategically, he wouldn’t have tweeted that his answer to the question of whether or not he thinks Hillary will run for president (and maybe he interpreted that as be his opponent) in 2020 was “I hope so.”

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/919914000959397888?lang=en

    Donald J. Trump ‏Verified account
    @realDonaldTrump

    I was recently asked if Crooked Hillary Clinton is going to run in 2020? My answer was, “I hope so!”

    6:12 AM – 16 Oct 2017

    Unless maybe he thinks there no chance anyway, so he can twist in the knife safely. Or that what he says doesn’t matter to the outcome, and if it happens, having said that would benefit him. Or there could actually be some lingering natural human desire to reform the U.S. political system, so long as it doesn’t hurt him.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  109. The Democrats got all energized to throw out a sensible Republican and replace him with a man male who is so delusional that he thinks he’s a woman.

    Were I a member of the Virginia House of Delegates, I’m sure that I would get censured for referring to this . . . person . . . by the appropriate, masculine pronouns.

    The only way to turn Virginia red again is to radically cut the federal workforce, to get all of those federal bureaucrats polluting the Old Dominion back into the private sector.

    The Dana who used to live in Virginia (e48a51)

  110. Mr Finkelman wrote:

    Unless maybe he thinks there no chance anyway, so he can twist in the knife safely. Or that what he says doesn’t matter to the outcome, and if it happens, having said that would benefit him. Or there could actually be some lingering natural human desire to reform the U.S. political system, so long as it doesn’t hurt him.

    The odds that the lovely Mrs Clinton will even still be alive in 2020 are marginal. She was far too ill for the 2016 race, and her campaign did the best they could to cover that up, but it was still obvious. She’s simply not healthy.

    The Dana who isn't a physician (e48a51)

  111. Part of the problem is that there are two Republican parties:

    There is the true conservative to slightly moderate ‘respectable’ Republican Party, that some have derisively referred to as the GOPe, the party of Erick Erickson and William Kristol. This is the Republican Party with whom the Democrats can at least work, and it is the Republican Party that so many conservatives slam for being insufficiently aggressive.

    Then there is the burnin’ down the house party, some only nominally Republican, the voters who gave Donald Trump the nomination, the voters who would rather burn it all down and start again from scratch. Don’t laugh: many Patterico and Red State commenters are among that group.

    Our only hope is that the Democrats are just as divided, with their own Bernin’ down the house people.

    The Republican Dana (e48a51)

  112. I don’t like Pence’s policies. I would not vote for him under normal circumstances.

    But I also view Trump as being a problem above and beyond his policies. Basically, I don’t trust him to have normal adult self control, and I don’t trust him to not use the power of the state in mean-spirited self-interested ways. I would have neither concern with Pence.

    Similarly: I didn’t like Cruz’ politics. But he’s not Trump.

    This is a fairly normal viewpoint in my corner of the left. But my corner of the left is not the entire left, to be sure.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  113. pantsuited pantload
    pale puffy paper-thin skin
    a DEAD giveaway

    Colonel Haiku (6047c1)

  114. inflated scrotums
    folsom street-faire sausage fest
    san francisco treat?

    Colonel Haiku (6047c1)

  115. the sausage fest i can get behind. inflated scrotums, on the other hand, creep me out.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  116. death to teh mullahs
    devious excrement sacks
    allahu quack quack

    Colonel Haiku (6047c1)

  117. “the sausage fest i can get behind”

    behind not so readily available other times? 😂

    Colonel Haiku (6047c1)

  118. Kevin, Kevin, Kevin…

    ‘There once was a lad in Nantucket…’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. Colonel Haiku at 123 *LOL* :)

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  120. There was once a man in Nantucket,
    Who kept all his cash in a bucket.
    He had a daughter named Nan,
    Who ran off with a man,
    And as for the bucket, Nantucket.

    nk (dbc370)




  121. 118.I don’t like Pence’s policies.

    I don’t like his policies either. Imagine, a man who thinks it’s improper to dine alone with a woman other than his wife. Hell, that would screw up the balance in both DC and Hollywood. Besides, that indicates to me he’s radical who would install a Christian Theocracy to rule America just like all those other Christian presidents tried to do from Washington (the white supremacist) up to but not including his Oneness who would “stand with the moslems should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”. (Islam NOT being a theocratic dictatorship of course).

    Yes, Pence is terrible. Imagine a person so backward as to believe males should use men’s rooms, free people should be able to own guns, speech should be free even on college campuses, people lucky enough to earn millions in America should stand for the anthem, and we are under no obligation to turn America into South Africa or Iraq.

    As soon as the left regains power people like Pence will either be reeducated or eradicated. I say good riddance.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  122. Paw followed the pair to Pawtucket;
    Nan and her man and the bucket.
    Said Paw to the man,
    “You are welcome to Nan”.
    But as for the bucket, Pawtucket.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. Sheer madness, ho4agie, btw how are you doing?

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. Rev. Hoagie, you’ll note that the things that you say in your first paragraph are not things I have said, nor are they things I would say.

    So: please refrain from trying, through sarcastic agreement, to put words in my mouth. It’s irksome at best.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  125. So for the last 20 years, north Korea has traded %heir coal, for Russian boosters and Chinese warheads that are enabling them to eventually hit the continental united states. This has happened under democratic and republican administrations.

    narciso (d1f714)

  126. So what are the objectionable policies

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. There once was a man named Magoo
    Whose limericks would end on line 2

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  128. There once was a man from Verdun

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  129. There once was a man named Donnie,
    Who murmured sweet words to his honey.
    He said, “Let’s not use the bed;
    We’ll go to the bank vault instead,
    Because I love it when I come into money”.

    nk (dbc370)

  130. The man from Chicago is stealing
    The theme I use with such feeling
    His actions are bad
    I’m so hopping mad
    That I’ve hit my head on the ceiling!

    The Limerick Avenger (e48a51)

  131. Our host says, “These taxes aren’t fair!
    I’ll have to pay more than my share!”
    It is a cut for most
    But not for our humble host
    Whose income’s at a level that’s rare.

    The Limerick Avenger (e48a51)

  132. 116. The Dana who isn’t a physician (e48a51) — 11/8/2017 @ 3:28 pm

    The odds that the lovely Mrs Clinton will even still be alive in 2020 are marginal.

    that’s probably not the case even if there something seriously physilcaly wrong with her. In genersal, I think women experience more morbidity as compared to mortality, than men do.

    She was far too ill for the 2016 race,

    Donna Brazile thought so, she now says, and she began thinking about who would replace Hillary, and she hit upon the ticket of Joe Biden for president and and Cory Booker for vice president. She was taking calls from Biden and others. This was all secret.

    Now she didn’t have the power to replace her – unless Clinton resigned or there was real near unanimity. She could call a meeting maybe. She may not be telling the exact truth in her book. It may be partially ghostwritten.

    and her campaign did the best they could to cover that up,

    In that case, she should now be in even worse shape, but she seems to be still going strong without collapsing.

    In 2016 she seemed to recover.

    She should be in even worse shape now, one year later, unless it is that she now has to make far fewer public appearances and can be absent for long times. Her appearances are indeed rarer and sometimes not plausibly explained. Still she was giving interviews and some book signing (albeit brief appearances) recently

    I heard an excerpt of an interview played by Rush Limbaugh in which she complained that the “fact” that Donald Trump – or did she mean his campaign – was under investigation was not revealed before the election was unfair to the public. She may have precipitated that investigation with her dossier! And she’s a well educated lawyer and knows that the FBI never reveals mere investigations, unless it comes out because of subpoenas etc, And her husband arranged things so that indictments would not come shortly before an election. And she complained that Comey had revealed a re-opening 11 days before the election. Then he closed it again.

    Harry Reid tried to get the FBI investigation ,made public, but she’s not mentioning that.

    but it was still obvious. She’s simply not healthy.

    It can’t be all that bad. Maybe there’s something she can take (probably something more than coffee – a steroid?) – to make her up to it. Anyway she does appear in public now and then.

    I suppose that also could have been in Donald Trump’s mind.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  133. So aphrael voted for Ted
    Whose chances by then had fled
    He wanted to dump
    The big guy named Trump
    Who has all the left seeing red

    The Limerick Avenger (e48a51)

  134. 118 aphrael (e0cdc9) — 11/8/2017 @ 3:44 pm

    This is a fairly normal viewpoint in my corner of the left. But my corner of the left is not the entire left, to be sure.

    It’s possible that what Ben burn thought was an extreme outlier was that you actually voted for a Ted Cruz delegate in the Republican presidential primary.Few would go that far, he thinks.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  135. The Tsurugi-class (Japanese: つるぎ型巡視船) is a class of small patrol vessel of the Japan Coast Guard (JCG). The development of this class was one of the earliest attempts of the JCG to deal with spy boats from North Korea. In March 1999, the JCG tried to intercept vessels of unknown nationality suspected to be North Korean, but the unknown vessels were too fast, and the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force had to be called to intercept the unknown vessels. As a consequence of this failure, JCG realized their need for high speed interceptors.[1]….

    Tsurugi means sword.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  136. But look, conservatives voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Oklahoma Democratic presidential primary in order to try to stop Hillary (that’s my way of explaining the results, but I never delved deeply enough to get either confirmation or refutation.)

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  137. The limericker known as nk,
    Cares not what others may say.
    He’ll continue to rhyme,
    At any propitious time,
    When he feels cheerful, witty and gay.

    nk (dbc370)

  138. They aren’t all “spy boats.” Smuggling, yes. How do you think despite sanctions the NORK economy keeps going?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  139. @47. More like His Way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agnf96W3xeA

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  140. The esteemed Mr Finkelman wrote:

    She should be in even worse shape now, one year later, unless it is that she now has to make far fewer public appearances and can be absent for long times. Her appearances are indeed rarer and sometimes not plausibly explained. Still she was giving interviews and some book signing (albeit brief appearances) recently

    She (supposedly) tripped on her kitten heels while going down a flight of stairs and fell backward, and fractured her toe. Now, I can’t imagine falling backward while tripping on a heel descending the stairs; quite improbable.

    However, the real difference between her campaign and her insufferable book tour is that she is always seated during the latter; during the campaign, she had long periods where she had to stand and walk.

    I had predicted, back in 2013 and 2014, that she wouldn’t run for President because her health was so poor. It turned out that I was wrong about that, but not about her health; it was too poor for a presidential campaign, and she took off most of August, supposedly for fundraising, but really just to rest.

    As for the lovely Miss Brazile’s observations, 20/20 hindsight sure can make things clear! She has a book to sell, and controversy will (supposedly) help sales. But reading about the bickering between Miss Brazile and the sad Clinton campaign holdovers is watching two known liars screaming at each other. I won’t give more credence to Miss Brazile simply because she’s saying things more to my liking.

    The observant Dana (e48a51)

  141. Next up, BuDuh explaining to us how a landmine is in fact just like a vagina, like Mr. Trump said.
    nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2017 @ 7:14 am

    Have you ever seen a Tramp Stamp that said “This Side Towards Enemy”?

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  142. Trump said “hey, this descriptive Sino”
    “Will someone tell me what it mean-oh?”
    “cuz I’m flying to CHIna
    Where teh food’s really fine-ah
    and I won’t be needing no Bean-o® “

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  143. “Keep away from Fifth Avenue!”
    nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2017 @ 8:28 am

    Daddy I love you but

    Give me Fifth Avenue

    Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum

    Dum Dum

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  144. The commenter known as nk
    Thinks he just can have his way
    With stealing my shtick
    But he’d better be quick
    ‘Cause when I’m mad I do not play!

    The Limerick Avenger (e48a51)

  145. Next up, BuDuh explaining to us how a landmine is in fact just like a vagina, like Mr. Trump said.
    nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2017 @ 7:14 am

    Have you ever seen a Tramp Stamp that said “This Side Towards Enemy”?
    Pinandpuller (e84163) — 11/8/2017 @ 5:42 pm

    Why, yes. Apparently you haven’t hung around with enough strippers.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  146. she went to church services at Canaan Baptist Church in Harlem.
    nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2017 @ 8:28 am

    Moshe and the Canaanites think they can outwit us, my father!

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  147. Why, yes. Apparently you haven’t hung around with enough strippers.
    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/8/2017 @ 5:49 pm

    How many duds did you throw yourself on?

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  148. Japanese are baffled by Don Trump
    is he genius or like that guy Forrest Gump?
    Obama would bow
    To kings even now
    New guy says “I will bow to no hump!”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  149. Avenger he thinks he’s tops, bar none
    he hates it when others they have fun
    Thinks his own scat don’t stink
    But I’d buy him a drink
    then empty teh glass in teh hot Sun

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  150. American pro-athletes don’t always know what the kanji, or Chinese alphabet characters, mean that they tattoo on their necks. One I often see is “crazy.” Kichigai. They think it means “crazy, crazy cool.”

    It doesn’t mean that.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  151. 148. The observant Dana (e48a51) — 11/8/2017 @ 5:40 pm

    However, the real difference between her campaign and her insufferable book tour is that she is always seated during the latter; during the campaign, she had long periods where she had to stand and walk.

    That reminds me of what I thought it was. Not Parkinsons’s disease, which was I think a story that Clinton campaign tried to spread because it could be disproven, but some kind of muscular dystrophy. Muscle weakness. Maybe there’s away to treat it with steroids and physical therapy, but that might create periods in which she looks odd and wouldn’t want to be exposed to public view.

    Now (if this is the case) she can hide it better because nobody’s paying that much attention and people even think it was refuted by time.

    As for the lovely Miss Brazile’s observations, 20/20 hindsight sure can make things clear! She has a book to sell, and controversy will (supposedly) help sales. But reading about the bickering between Miss Brazile and the sad Clinton campaign holdovers is watching two known liars screaming at each other. I won’t give more credence to Miss Brazile simply because she’s saying things more to my liking.

    She was supposedly shocked when she discovered the secret contract between the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC. (she said this Sunday I think that when she was running Al Gore’s campaign they started putting their own people into the DNC only when he had won the primaries. Karl Rove said this never happened. More accurately he should have said, when there wasn’t an incumbent president and there was a contested primary.

    Even then this apparently went further than anyone did before. Her campaign had some legal control over the DNC – but, the contract said something about this not affecting the DNC’s neutrality.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  152. Each white-identity yahoo who flocks to Trump’s banners costs 10 votes from other whites.

    That terrible commercial with the pickup “chasing” immigrant kids hit home. Think of it as the Revenge of Willie Horton.
    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/8/2017 @ 10:09 am

    Walter Williams coined the term “The Klan with a Tan.” I believe he’s a Virginian at present.

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  153. The Saudi Arabian crown prince got Donald Trump’s approval before doing anything – it was probably easier to get than he thought. Maybe it is actually a step against sponsorship of terrorism. But the only way to end it is to expose it – that way it can’t later resume, and people involved can;’t switch bosses.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  154. 85. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/8/2017 @ 10:13 am

    But its weird that the aryans and the surs have sort of an alliance in the California Penal system.

    Then what about the Nazis and the Japanese?

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  155. …Not Parkinsons’s disease, which was I think a story that Clinton campaign tried to spread because it could be disproven, but some kind of muscular dystrophy. Muscle weakness.

    Take another look at her getting tossed into the van like a bag of fertilizer. Her muscles weren’t weak. They were locked up.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/hillary-clinton-leaving-the-911-anniversary-ceremony-early/

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  156. Rather than trying to figure out what disease she has, it looks to me like she simply hasn’t aged well. Poor muscle tone, compounded by obesity, and perhaps higher than normal wear and tear on her joints would explain much of the problem. Her coughing jags do remind me of chronic bronchitis, and if the reports of her alcohol consumption are correct, she’s just plain worn out.

    It has never been reported — that I know of — but just from observation on television, I’d guess that she is diabetic.

    The elderly Dana (e48a51)

  157. 163. Not locked up. Drained. That would look the same. If they were locked up, how;d she get as far as she did?

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  158. Mr 57 wrote:

    Take another look at her getting tossed into the van like a bag of fertilizer. Her muscles weren’t weak. They were locked up.

    If someone is afraid he might collapse, he will lock his knees to keep his legs from buckling.

    The Dana who thinks the video is unclear (e48a51)

  159. She was propped up against a bollard.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  160. One wonders: when the former Secretary of State, First Lady and Democratic presidential nominee collapsed, shouldn’t the first place she was taken be the hospital?

    She was being treated for a political collapse, rather than the obvious health issue.

    The Dana asking the obvious question (e48a51)

  161. Is Hillary going full Lyndon LaRouche?

    In 1987, a number of LaRouche entities, including the Fusion Energy Foundation, were taken over through an involuntary bankruptcy proceeding. The government’s use of a sealed order in this proceeding was regarded as a rare legal maneuver.

    On December 16, 1988, LaRouche was convicted of conspiracy to commit mail fraud involving more than $30 million in defaulted loans; eleven counts of actual mail fraud involving $294,000 in defaulted loans; and a single count of conspiring to defraud the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. He was sentenced to 15 years in federal prison but was released on January 26, 1994.

    Thirteen associates were sentenced to prison terms ranging from one month to 77 years for mail fraud and conspiracy.

    The trial judge called LaRouche’s claim of a political vendetta “arrant nonsense,” and said “the idea that this organization is a sufficient threat to anything that would warrant the government bringing a prosecution to silence them just defies human experience.”

    Defense lawyers filed unsuccessful appeals that challenged the conduct of the grand jury, the contempt fines, the execution of the search warrants, and various trial procedures. At least ten appeals were heard by the United States Court of Appeals, and three were heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark joined the defense team for two appeals, writing that the case involved “a broader range of deliberate and systematic misconduct and abuse of power over a longer period of time in an effort to destroy a political movement and leader, than any other federal prosecution in my time or to my knowledge.”

    In his 1988 autobiography, LaRouche says the raid on his operation was the work of Raisa Gorbachev. In an interview that same year, he said that the Soviet Union opposed him because he had invented the Strategic Defense Initiative. “The Soviet government hated me for it. Gorbachev also hated my guts and called for my assassination and imprisonment and so forth.” He asserted that he had survived these threats because he had been protected by unnamed U.S. government officials. “Even when they don’t like me, they consider me a national asset, and they don’t like to have their national assets killed.”

    LaRouche received 25,562 votes in the 1988 presidential election.[145]

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  162. Mr. Dana, I will grant you that the video may be unclear. But I don’t see muscular weakness. Also I hope I’m not misgendering you.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  163. inflated scrotums
    folsom street-faire sausage fest
    san francisco treat?
    Colonel Haiku (6047c1) — 11/8/2017 @ 3:52 pm

    Funny guys use liquefied petroleum for that. Some folks call it propane (C3H8) but I call it liquefied petroleum. Funny queer, not funny haha.

    Not to be confused with propene or propelyne (C3H6)

    Propene acts as a central nervous system depressant via allosteric agonism of the GABAA receptor. Excessive exposure may result in sedation and amnesia, progressing to coma and death in a mechanism equivalent to benzodiazepine overdose. Intentional inhalation may also result in death via asphyxiation (sudden inhalant death).

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  164. Lack of exercise nor even simple basic physical activity, simple aging and excessive boozing looks like the cause of HRC’s problems. Struck that what ever you think of the awfulness of Obama, the 2 worst people(to say nothing of policy) to ever run for president are John McCain and Hillary Clinton-self-absorbed, nasty, angry, deeply unhappy, devoid of any principle . And they beat out the likes of Aaron Burr, Wilson, Harding and LBJ by a lot. Bill Clinton is no prize, but he at least is a natural salesman.

    Bugg (08921e)

  165. 164. The elderly Dana (e48a51) — 11/8/2017 @ 6:12 pm

    but just from observation on television, I’d guess that she is diabetic.

    How do you diagnose that?

    If so, hey’d have to have left it out on their released medical records (the campaign did)

    But then, I thought, the Clintons probably both have a real medical doctor or doctors, and an official “useful idiot” medical doctor.

    And she ran for president probably because Bill Clinton wanted her to – it’s not ambition, it’s self-preservation. (from indictment)

    She’s got to maintain an aura that she’s coming back – or that there could be a Restoration. That keeps people from talking.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  166. I disagree with Dave that the 2018 election could get Trump impeached because it’s not going to shake up the Senate that much.

    If the GOP loses the House and loses seats in the Senate and in the statehouses, there is going to be ZERO support for Trump among establishment Republicans. They certainly are not going to go to the wall for him. There are already some GOP Senators would would vote to convict: McCain, Flake, Paul, Sasse, Corker, Collins, and maybe Ernst, Roberts, Murkowski, Gardner, Heller and McConnell.

    The charge would be “unsuitability to the office.”

    Kevin M (752a26)


  167. 167.She was propped up against a bollard.
    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/8/2017 @ 6:17 pm

    Calling her black body guard a bollard is racist. I denounce you. No beet vodka one week!

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  168. 271.

    404 We couldn’t find this page.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  169. Obvious answer to Dana’s obvious question:

    The world’s most-afraid-of-the-public-knowing-anything-about-her woman didn’t want to risk her medical chart being leaked by someone at the hospital… illegal though that would have been.

    And it’s not so outlandish a risk even for normal people. About 10 years ago I got hit by identity theft, and the most likely way my info was hijacked was via hospital records stolen from Jackson Memorial (where I was surgeried when I fractured my pelvis).

    kishnevi (704a68)


  170. She’s got to maintain an aura that she’s coming back – or that there could be a Restoration.

    I think resurrection is the correct word Sammy.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  171. I can see Hillary falling backwards on stairs as she probably has terrible inner ear problems like many older people do. They have balance classes for oldsters, where they work at adapting to loss of inner ear function. Hillary, of course, is a Secret Master, and feels exempt from physical reality.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  172. I think resurrection is the correct word Sammy

    Reanimation. Revival.

    Hillary is one thing that makes the concept of Death more palatable.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  173. 174. Excessive boozing would cause Vitamin B1 deficiency – beriberi. That causes memory problems and bleeding. Maybe numbness too, yes, but lots else. And mostly or only whatever muscles are not exercised. Or wait, maybe often the legs:

    https://www.healthline.com/health/beriberi

    Dry beriberi damages the nerves and can lead to decreased muscle strength and eventually, muscle paralysis…

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  174. 179. kishnevi (704a68) — 11/8/2017 @ 6:49 pm

    The world’s most-afraid-of-the-public-knowing-anything-about-her woman

    So afraid she refused help from Facebook in targeting ads – but Donald Trump didn’t. They’d have had to see the ads in advance. Which means maybe learn the way she was attempting to mislead people.

    Now the person in te Trump campaign who was in charge of that said those Facebook ads were used for fundraising, not general campaign work. (but the Trump campaign used fundraising (and percentage who asked for tickets to a rally) as a substitute for polls

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  175. Facebook said the people assigned to each campaign would be supporters of that candidate.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-facebook-ads-helped-elect-trump/

    Parscale received help utilizing Facebook’s technology from Facebook employees provided by the company who showed up for work to his office multiple days a week. He says they had to be partisan and he questioned them to make sure. “I wanted people who supported Donald Trump.” Parscale calls these Facebook employees “embeds” who could teach him every aspect of the technology. “I want to know everything you would tell Hillary’s campaign plus some,” he says he told them.

    Both campaigns used Facebook’s advertising technology extensively to reach voters, but Parscale says the Clinton campaign didn’t go as far as using “embeds.” “I had heard that they did not accept any of [Facebook’s] offers.”

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  176. Maybe there’s something she can take (probably something more than coffee –
    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73) — 11/8/2017 @ 5:27 pm

    Neil Diamond Red Red Wine

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  177. I kept getting hit by those Trump fundraising ads. Which just goes to show the algorithms of the Tome of Countenances may not be all that great.

    kishnevi (704a68)

  178. Shirl

    narciso (d1f714)

  179. They can’t. E serious

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. I kept getting hit by those Trump fundraising ads. Which just goes to show the algorithms of the Tome of Countenances may not be all that great.

    Or not. Your name sounds vaguely Russian…

    Dave (445e97)

  181. But then so is much of this dialog, Thomas Jefferson weeps at what has happened to his home state. Not least of which his belOved charlottesville. As for. We jersey you have another rich punk like corzin

    narciso (d1f714)

  182. Steve57

    トマソ Moshi Mas. Savvy?

    Or is it Watashi wa トマソ viz Itaria no?

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  183. My nickname stems from my grandparents’s place of birth, which used to be called Kishinev in the Russian province of Bessarabia, but is now Chișinău, capital of Moldava.

    My grandfather’s name at birth was Berl Smid. He Americanized it to Benjamin Smith. I say I am one of the Smiths of Ellis Island.

    kishnevi (704a68)

  184. A long awaited erast fandorin tale by akunin

    narciso (d1f714)

  185. Her muscles weren’t weak. They were locked up.

    The power of Christ compels her.

    Especially important is the warning to avoid conversations with the demon. We may ask what is relevant but anything beyond that is dangerous. He is a liar. The demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. The attack is psychological, Damien, and powerful. So don’t listen to him. Remember that – do not listen.

    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/8/2017 @ 6:09 pm

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  186. Btw, the vaunted Romney machine called to ask for my vote in the primaries. I’ve always been a registered Democrat. (That way I get to vote against Debbie Wasserman.)

    kishnevi (704a68)

  187. Keith Boykin
    @keithboykin

    Dear news editors:

    Please update your stories to note that the first out trans person elected to public office was Althea Garrison in 1992, a black trans woman who won as a Republican in Massachusetts.

    Thank you,
    History “

    harkin (b4548f)

  188. My nickname stems from my grandparents’s place of birth, which used to be called Kishinev in the Russian province of Bessarabia, but is now Chișinău, capital of Moldava.

    That’s what I was thinking.

    Bessarabia was also part of Rumania between the world wars until Hitler gave it (back) to Stalin. (As I’m sure you know…)

    Dave (445e97)

  189. Yes, but my grandparents got here soon after WWI. Of those family members who remained behind, only one set of cousins survived the Nazis (they trekked across the width of Russia, got to Shanghai and then the US. The rest simply vanished…

    kishnevi (704a68)

  190. Better check the cable

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Bessarabia

    narciso (d1f714)

  191. It is part of that nasty stretch called the bloodlands

    narciso (d1f714)

  192. Speaking of Hillary and spirits

    nippy sweetie
    (also nippie sweetie)
    noun
    Scottish

    1A drink of spirits, especially of whisky; whisky.

    2A sharp-tongued or peevish person, especially a woman.

    3A sharp-tasting sweet, or one which makes the mouth hot.

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  193. An Arkansas breakfast.

    1. A fifth of Whiskey.

    2. A dog.

    3. A steak.

    Recipe: drink the fifth, give the steak to the dog.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  194. I’m a Texican. I’d drink the fifth and eat the steak. And eggs and hash browns.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  195. If anything bad happens to the dog there’s going to be a problem.

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  196. no problem here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  197. Each white-identity yahoo who flocks to Trump’s banners costs 10 votes from other whites.

    That terrible commercial with the pickup “chasing” immigrant kids hit home. Think of it as the Revenge of Willie Horton.
    Kevin M (752a26) — 11/8/2017 @ 10:09 am

    Goebbels would be proud. The left has learned well from their Nazi predecessors.

    NJRob (b00189)

  198. the bush romney gillespie white supremacy movement is down, yes, but not out

    you cannot count it out

    the south will rise again

    and we will enjoy many desserts featuring super-creative uses of (white) marshmallow fluff

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  199. If anything bad happens to the dog there’s going to be a problem.

    Pinandpuller (e84163) — 11/8/2017 @ 9:48 pm

    It’s going to be a small steak. Not enough to cause indigestion.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  200. Why would I waste money on a steak for a dog?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  201. I said I’m a Texican. I’ll drink the fifth and eat the steak.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  202. I was thinking after an Arkansas Breakfast someone might throw a lamp at the dog.

    We haven’t heard a thing about Buddy or Bo come to think of it.

    Pinandpuller (e84163)

  203. Yes that could happen.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  204. I guess no one can have thoughts about IMPEACHMENT without Clintons being mentioned.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  205. 201. kishnevi (704a68) — 11/8/2017 @ 7:48 pm

    Yes, but my grandparents got here soon after WWI. Of those family members who remained behind, only one set of cousins survived the Nazis (they trekked across the width of Russia, got to Shanghai and then the US. The rest simply vanished…

    That’s what my father’s aunt (by marriage) said about her brother and his whole family. Vanished. The word she used to describe what happened to her brother was (I think) vanished. So I think that word must have been around in the United States in the aftermath of the war.

    Her brother was about 10 years older than her.The only thing is that I remember she said somebody died in 1913 but I think it was her father. But could have been her brother, or he died before the war anyway, and it was the family – anybody there – that vanished.

    So I think that happened often enough: that in places there was no word at all. Probably any place that was part of The Soviet Union so there was no independent collection of facts. And those places were also places where almost all Jews were killed where they lived.

    My father’s aunt came to the United States in 1906 at the approximately age of 18 I used to think, but according to grave, it must have been 21. (I was never really 100% clear on her exact year of birth or age) Her husband, an uncle of my father, who came the year before she did (this kind of thing was customary in those years) died in 1944 of a heart attack “from smoking” and for a long time she kept it from my father when he wrote after the war, pretending she was him in her letters. She didn’t have any children but only miscarriages. She did have a sister here with children.

    If your family was in Bessarabia, or southern Ukraine (Transnistria, which includes Odessa), they were killed by the Romanians. The Romanian actually outdid the Germans, until one day they were warned by the United States that they’d been punished after the war. That was on Septemeber 13, 1942 (I had remembered this as June 3, 1942, but checked, maybe something else happened then) when United States Secretary of State Cordell Hull warned, in a message timed for Rosh Hashono, that there’d be heavy retaliation. Romanian participation in the murder of the Jews stopped abruptly, * and most Jews living in pre-war Romania (the pats that was not transferred by Hitler in 1940 to other countries) survived the war and even the synagogues and everything remained open (and outlying areas had not been touched by the pogroms in Bucharest.)

    There was a portion (the Carpathian mountains) given to Hungary (this is where Elie Wiesel came from) and they were all right in Hungary till 1944.

    But at the time the Romanians stopped, they had already killed all or most of the Jews living in territory that was annexed or occupied after June 22, 1941, and I think that included what was given to the Soviet Union in 1940 and recovered in 1941.

    ____________
    * And the anti-semitic (for 30 years) Bucharest newspaper “Porunca Vremii” stopped for one day publishing anti-semitic material and instead published a tribute to the Jews enduring their maryrdom in silence. (page 82 of “Transnistria: The Forgotten Cemetery” by Julius S. Fisher (Thomas Yoseloff, 1969) I bought this book in 1979 or 1980 and would have thought it no older than 1973 because I thought all the remaindered books I bought in the Marboro book store in Manhattan were no older than that.

    Sammy Finkelman (69aa73)

  206. The impeachment process is like a legal process because it because it has charges and a trial. Impeachment starts in the House of Representatives when charges are filed. The trial takes place in the Senate. America has had two Presidents impeached — Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton — but neither was convicted by the Senate.

    This shows why Trump will be hurt if the GOP loses the House, as it appears will happen. Speaker Pelosi can feel free to welcome endless impeachment charges in the House, because she doesn’t have much hope of passing meaningful legislation that the Senate will pass and Trump will sign.I

    Trolling Trump to please her base will be her full-time mission. Trump is a fool to mess with the GOPe swamp with such low poll numbers, and he knows it because half the time He supports the GOPe. He doesn’t have enough support to take the GOPe on so he will suffer, not them. The GOPe knows how to profit, even if they are in the minority. Trump only knows how to bully people but, in the end, bullies lose.

    DRJ (15874d)

  207. In some of those lower rent Tyson plant towns, that dog doesn’t stand a chance.

    urbanleftbehind (4c830b)

  208. slurpy ex-military torture-turd John McCain’s a deranged bully (just ask his wife what his pet name for her is) but he still wins

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  209. Comp, you’re not making sense, drj, Graham did offer up trinkets to Murkowski, yes it’s foolish to deal with Schumer, then again it seems others take him seriously.

    narciso (f848af)

  210. I think my comment makes sense. Please explain what parts you don’t understand.

    DRJ (15874d)

  211. Maybe this will help: The Senate is not the point of my comment. The point of my comment is the danger Trump will face if the GOP loses the House, something that will be entirely his fault. The Republicans lost a net one seat in the House when Trump was elected and stand to lose a lot more in 2018.

    DRJ (15874d)

  212. Thus, there were no Trump coattails in 2016 and it appears there will be a Trump backlash in 2018. If so, the Trump agenda is toast.

    DRJ (15874d)

  213. The entire Republican Party is entering chapter 13 territory. Trump the Iceberg..man the lifeboats

    Ben burn (05fad7)

  214. The point of my comment is the danger Trump will face if the GOP loses the House, something that will be entirely his fault.

    i don’t think it’s nice to blame President Trump for everything I think if the GOP loses the house it’s cause they lied about their agenda to the voters (perverted Mitt Romney’s slicked up and slurpy boy toy Paul Ryan is a failure as speaker :()

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  215. :(

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  216. For all of Trump’s sho-called brilliance (lol) and/ or machismo..
    This whole “run” has played out in less than 100 pages.
    Almost seems like a.. Like a “for note”.

    Happyfeet appears to be, deranged,
    But not “happy”. Lol!

    Lester Same (6b4582)

  217. it’s all good in the hood

    happyfeet (28a91b)


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