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10/28/2017

What Does All This New Russia News Mean?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:30 pm

Two big stories out on Russia in the past day. Let’s recap and briefly analyze.

First, as Caleb Howe discussed here, Robert Mueller has filed his first charges. Behind Door #1: Paul Manafort. Behind Door #2: Michael Flynn. Behind Door #3: A goat. (Scapegoat?) If a door is opened and it does not contain the indicted person or animal, should you switch your guess? I don’t know, since Monty is no longer here to tell us. I do know that Adam Steinbaugh had the Tweet of the Day with this:

Second story: what many of us strongly suspected is now crystal clear: Natalia Veselnitskaya was acting as a Kremlin cutout when she met with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and The Man Behind Door Number 1. Susan Wright discussed this yesterday, and the article can be found in the #FAKENEWSNEWYORKTIMES!!1!:

Natalia V. Veselnitskaya arrived at a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 hoping to interest top Trump campaign officials in the contents of a memo she believed contained information damaging to the Democratic Party and, by extension, Hillary Clinton. The material was the fruit of her research as a private lawyer, she has repeatedly said, and any suggestion that she was acting at the Kremlin’s behest that day is anti-Russia “hysteria.”

But interviews and records show that in the months before the meeting, Ms. Veselnitskaya had discussed the allegations with one of Russia’s most powerful officials, the prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika. And the memo she brought with her closely followed a document that Mr. Chaika’s office had given to an American congressman two months earlier, incorporating some paragraphs verbatim.

The coordination between the Trump Tower visitor and the Russian prosecutor general undercuts Ms. Veselnitskaya’s account that she was a purely independent actor when she sat down with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and Paul J. Manafort, then the Trump campaign chairman.

It also suggests that emails from an intermediary to the younger Mr. Trump promising that Ms. Veselnitskaya would arrive with information from Russian prosecutors were rooted at least partly in fact — not mere “puffery,” as the president’s son later said.

If you didn’t care that Trump Jr. was going to the meeting explicitly to get dirt on Hillary that he believed to be sourced from a high-level Russian prosecutor, then you won’t care that the dirt was indeed coming from the Kremlin.

Also, you’re probably a partisan hack who would have screamed to high heaven if Hillary’s troops had done the same.

What does it all mean? That partisans are gonna partisan.

Have we gotten to coordination yet, as to Hillary or Trump? No. Do we have utterly nasty politics being played, by the Hillary side and the Trump side? Yes. Will Democrats care about only one half of this? Yes. Will Republicans care only about the other half? Yes.

Any other questions?

P.S. If you’re not a hack, and you’re interested in facts about the Magnitsky Act, Veselnitskaya, and her relationship to the Kremlin, check out my six-part series on that topic.

In Part One, I introduced the series. In Part Two, I began setting forth the background of the aggressive tax fraud scheme that Sergei Magnitsky discovered, as set out in Browder’s book Red Notice. In Part Three, I discussed what Magnitsky did when he uncovered the scheme — and the terrible price he paid as a result. In Part Four, I discussed the reaction of the Russian government to the Magnitsky Act, and why they hate it so much. In Part Five, I discussed the connections between Natalia Veselnitskaya and the thieves behind the tax fraud uncovered by Sergei Magnitsky. And in Part Six, I concluded by discussing Veselnitskaya’s relentless propaganda effort against Bill Browder, Sergei Magnitsky, and the Magnitsky Act.

Read that, and you’ll have a much better sense of why recent stories might matter.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

216 Responses to “What Does All This New Russia News Mean?”

  1. Umm,

    Hillary was using Russia to attack Trump. The dossier, remember?

    NJRob (0f0cad)

  2. Except they pretty much dismissed natalias presentation, comedy and clapper don’t have that excuse. And there is also where we know some of the money went, renaissance capital and sberbank, what’s significant about those two parties.

    narciso (899c57)

  3. http://www.dailywire.com/podcasts/22840/ep-405-media-sexual-harassment-scandal

    Go to 16:00 for a pretty good comparison of Trump & Hillary regarding Russian collusion.

    harkin (cf32fb)

  4. False equivalency. I’ll explain when I’m not on my phone.

    Shipwreckedcrew (232ecf)

  5. It likely means the whale Ahab speared Fri night is so docile he can remain free for the weekend before his ceremonial landing Mon morning.

    crazy (d99a88)

  6. Umm,

    Hillary was using Russia to attack Trump. The dossier, remember?

    Umm,

    Hillary’s campaign paid for a dossier that contained information obtained by Steele sourced to Russian intelligence. This is suggestive of collusion, just as top Trump campaign officials meeting with a Kremlin cutout to obtain information about the opposing candidate is suggestive of collusion. But neither situation yet rises to conclusive proof of cooperation between the campaign and the Russian government. If you want to make that case, you have to explain, lay out your argument, and do more than say “Hillary paid for the dossier!” If that’s all you say, I can retort with “Trump’s campaign manager met with a Kremlin cutout expressly for the purpose of getting information about Hillary sourced to the Kremlin!” Yelling and conclusionary partisan statements don’t get us anywhere. Why not wait and see what comes of all this?

    Patterico (a91251)

  7. So it wasn’t doing it with Wesley Snipes: http://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/28/annabella-sciorra-harvey-weinstein-violently-raped/

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  8. The gps fusion einsteins were trying to convince people Sergei Magnitsky was not murdered.

    mg (31009b)

  9. We’re confidently told by partisans that the only crimes committed here were by Hillary people. Yet there appears to be a sealed indictment, and the name in that indictment is probably not Clinton or Podesta or someone connected to them, but Manafort or Flynn or someone connected to them.

    Don’t get me wrong: I would love for what I just said to be wrong. But I don’t think it is.

    Patterico (a91251)

  10. Indeed, mg. Have you had a chance to read “Red Notice” yet? What did you think? I would love to read your thoughts.

    Patterico (a91251)

  11. It’s disturbing to see Bill Browder become a cause celebre on the radical left and only the radical left. Even creepy-ass Neal Rauhauser is retweeting the guy! But I am mature enough to understand that the fact that a Neal Rauhauser promotes a cause does not automatically make that cause incorrect.

    Patterico (a91251)

  12. Nothing is as sad as a Poor Biggie / KRS One (yes, they are one and the same) valiantly trying to leave more comments on the site after being banned for questioning my job competence based on my political views.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  13. Patterico, I could well be wrong, but I qustion if there is anything to the Clinton story. For instance, from Forbes, which is hardly a liberal publication:

    Claims of Clinton-Russia Uranium Collusion Are A Real Empty Barrel
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/10/27/claims-of-clinton-russia-uranium-scandal-are-a-real-empty-barrel/#7975f5527b55

    The author is billed thusly: “Dr. James Conca is an expert on energy, nuclear and dirty bombs…”

    One of Trump’s biggest defense mechanisms is projection – he wants to say “you did it” when he is truly the guilty party.

    Tillman (a95660)

  14. Read it in a couple days. I could not keep it out of my hands. Chilling memoir. Sergei Magnitsky loss of life by the Commie oligarchs was absolute madness. The poor family. Browder conveyed third world capitalism like I’ve never read. I applaud him for what he has accomplished, but a very sad story. Reading Red Notice along with the six-pack you provided was great. What might be next?

    mg (31009b)

  15. I’m in the middle of a bunch of stuff right now, mg. About halfway through The Chickenshit Club on the recommendation of Ed from SFV, on pause in The Gulag Archipegago about 1/3 of the way through. Keep getting distracted with audio lectures about Bach and listening to podcasts about foreign affairs, a topic I have not paid much attention to, until the past several weeks. Also very very busy at work, which cuts into reading time.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  16. Patterico, I could well be wrong, but I qustion if there is anything to the Clinton story. For instance, from Forbes, which is hardly a liberal publication:

    The piece written by this guy?

    I don’t find his article very convincing. I think he ignores the corruption going on with the Clintons. Bill’s speeches were a corruption machine. It is outrageous that he could collect money from people trying to influence his wife while she was Secretary of State.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  17. A weekend cliffhanger! This reality TeeVee stuff is gettin’ catchy w/government types.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  18. The coming weeks of bloodletting will test the Republican Party’s definition of torture as the waterboarding begin.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  19. Given the way the FBI has been leaky-leaky, why do you want to bet that the name of the indicted party is published in the WaPo or NYT well before the early-morning knock comes on the door?

    JVW (42615e)


  20. 18.The coming weeks of bloodletting will test the Republican Party’s definition of torture as the waterboarding begin.

    That may well be so comrade. Heaven knows we’ve had ten months of the Democrat Party’s definition from shooting congressmen, to vagina suits, to pink pussy hats, to beating speakers at colleges, setting fires, blocking intersections and soon to an outdoor park near you a cosmic scream to the sky. Yeah, ten months of Democrat torture of America because they didn’t like the outcome of an election. Although acting like spoiled children isn’t really torture but listening to the constant 27/7 anti Trump crap is. Take a breath already.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  21. Forget it, Hoagie. It’s TDS-town…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. My hope is the President has had pardons prepared in such a manner as to require only [insert name here] to be completed. My confidence in the DoJ is such that general pardons are preferable to any “search for the ultimate BS” conducted by any employee of the DoJ. I acknowledge the stink at State to be greater than at Justice but it is a matter of minimal degree.

    Rick Ballard (6a5693)

  23. The arrest should be a telephone call to the suspect’s lawyer asking him to bring in his client.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. 24 – absoluely and every time some idiot prosecutor opts for a perp walk unnecessarily I feel a bit more ashamed of my former colleagues.

    Shipwreckedcrew (6e1050)

  25. This is the stupid adolescent crap I’m referring to, Colonel:


    Antifa is calling for a peaceful protest every day starting November 4th, but others are saying online that Antifa is calling for an all-out violent war in the streets. Still others are saying plainly that Antifa is planning to instigate a civil war in order to remove Trump from the White House.

    An anti-Trump group, Refuse Fascism, is calling for a protest a day starting November 4th across the United States. Organizers are asking protesters to come out every day until the Trump administration is no longer in power.

    Dailycaller.com reports: Antifa websites like Going Down, Sub.Media, and Insurrection News have been promoting the group, which calls itself the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement (RAM). The press release the group published is filled with far-fetched claims about how “mosques are being ruthlessly bombed” and how “LGBTQ are being battered.” RAM cites, with pride, cop killers like Mumia Abu Jamal who shot and killed a police officer in Philadelphia in 1981 and Russell Shoats who shot a police officer in the back five times in 1970.

    RAM is calling for the abolition of gender and the expropriation of private property to begin the revolutionary process. Far Left Watch notes that RAM has been hosting anti-police workshops, a class on anarchism, and a class called ‘Our Enemies in Blue’.

    The Party Formerly Known as Democrat has gone full-blown commie/Nazi.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  26. The lawyer already represented herself as a “prosecutor of the crown” to the Trump campaign. No one who attended the meeting thought she was an independent investigator. They thought an official from the Russian government was about to give them information on how they illegally colluded with the Clinton campaign.

    Which doesn’t make sense, because Russia would never admit to wrongdoing on their part (taking illegal cash payments from Clinton) JUST to help Trump. That info would give the POTUS tremendous amount of leverage. But who wouldn’t want to obtain this kind of “dirt” if they offered it? Don Jr says he would contacted his attorney if he ever got such intel. We don’t know that for sure, but that would have been the right move.

    The lawyer apparently said a lot of nonsense that no one in the meeting found interesting. Kushner left early. The Russians probably wanted to see if they could influence Don Jr and purposely laid out sweet sounding gibberish to gauge his interest. She relied on some sort of a document that was also given to another American politican, per NYT.

    lee (0c7da6)

  27. The same time the pant suit darling and debbie wasserman schlitz were hiring Steele through Fusion gps to make up the pee pee hoax-
    Obama and his cronies were trying to get authority to wire tap trumps campaign, eventually they did. Then the FBI continued the program without a shred of evidence. And then Obama, Lynch and Clapper schemed the NSA so all agencies could share info. No phone calls are safe…

    mg (31009b)

  28. It’s a highly complicated situation made worse by herds of octopi and commensurate sucker-cups grabbing as many doubloons as they can before the jig was up.

    But can you really blame them for their nature?

    I dunno but you can prosecute the bejesus out of them.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  29. As I recall the enticement for Jr’s meeting was for evidence of Hillary’s financial improprieties the Russians were aware of not of collusion.

    crazy (d99a88)

  30. Did Kushner finally get a kid?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  31. The important things seem to get lost in all this corruption going around.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  32. Ms. Veselnitskaya’s relationship to slutty, corrupt FBI cutout “GPS Fusion” is far more interesting to the discerning observer i should think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. Door #3: A goat. (Scapegoat?)

    In reasonable times, I would predict this to be a Democrat to “balance” the first two you mentioned.

    Or, all three will be people who, like Martha Stewart or Scooter Libby, will be indicted for lying to an FBI agent and not indicted for an actual crime.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  34. I suspect some Russian collusion in that, Hoagie. These nitwits are the Democrat shock troops, bless their hearts.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  35. Poodleman Shultz is waking the halls in a dazed state.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  36. Actually the portly pepper pot worked with yet another British private investigative
    agency. Gpw it is surmised

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. Is this the first salvo for a Saturday Night massacre? Bueller? Mueller?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  38. Is Trump/Sessions going to assert Mueller is an Obama holdover? :>)

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  39. You shall not ser the sacred scrolls:

    narciso (d1f714)

  40. Seeing how podesta and mercury. (Dr.evils firm) were the actual recipients of deripasha cash, I do t see how either could not be in priority, unless Mueller plays favorites like fitz did.

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. When will conservative women bring out the pitchforks for their own Weinsteins?

    This was a tremendously successful week,” counselor Kellyanne Conway said in a text message Saturday, slapping away any sense of dread building in the West Wing. “Budget passed, which is a critical step toward tax cuts; GDP again at 3%; ‘Russia collusion’ boomeranged toward the Democrats; the President and the First Lady delivered a major policy speech and nationwide call to action on opioids and drug demand; POTUS is preparing for his first trip as President to Asia.”

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  42. Of course fusion did the same with a prominent Venezuelan dissident, along with their
    local affiliate, which also is big in south Florida real estate.

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. Speaking of which coronelLo, it turns out one of the narratives used to tag the huntress, now is a mere fact 9 years later, the 175,000 unexamined rape kits

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. The “butler did it” only happens in mystery novels. Flynn being the most obvious — lowest hanging fruit, if you wish — it will be Flynn.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. She’s a piece of peach, narciso.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. It around the time of American hustle (btw where is menendez) that I started preferring g Amy Adams over Lawrence, of course considering some of her imdb I find these protestations a little forced.

    Anyways Lawrence’s relevance is she plays tube title red sparrow who has a certain gift for reading people, better to compromise them, she works for a long time operative who is actually the company’s highest placed operative, unbeknownst to her.

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. Nice pic, Col. – Can’t imagine the pressure one would put on oneself to blow Harvey.

    mg (31009b)

  48. 39 — no, it just means they have a nominee in mind for the US Attorney for the ED of VA.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  49. Therss another interesting bit, about boente he was head of the national security division, that was in charge of foreign representation, ie:Lobbying like manafort and podesta.

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. And in that light:
    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/10/did-dana-milbank-not-understand-that-he.html

    Is third anyone who want being a scoundrel, or is this because of his feints of support for Israel.

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. jennifer lawrence lol

    banging her boss

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  52. Heats the thing was any of the information that veselnitskaya provided used in the campaign, either on social media or advertisrnents, no such evidence. Yet the warbling of some sir sources we are lead to believe made into an official documentvof the us govt and served apart of the basis for a visa warrant.

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. Decided on this for June. .38+P small, hammerless, light. She can handle this. Only $480 new. They have a used one at the gun shop ($345) so she will shoot it Tuesday and see if she likes it. My money is on “Yes”.

    http://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/styles/product_main/public/firearms/images/11988_01_lg.jpg?itok=Jq14yMhs

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  54. I think I was too charitable:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/michael-oren-israel-jews/397043/7

    Of course in Israel, the prosecutors have the function of javert Mueller. Mostly over some deal with German subs.

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. A week ago, haberman was absolutely sure neither the Clinton’s nor the bush camp were involved in the production of the dossier. But now its rocksolid about the indictment

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. Gary Kasparov’s colleague at the Human Rights Foundation, Thor Halvorssen, seems to be competing with Fusion GPS for mindshare with the media with their respective news-for-hire operations.

    In addition to their involvement with the Kremlin, Fusion GPS was hired by Derwick Associates, a Venezuelan firm of five young guys with no background in the energy business. Derwick proceeded to skim billions off of rigged (no bid) contracts with Hugo Chavez’ regime. (Chavez had brought in Gazprom and Gazprombank to help run Venezuela’s nationalized oil company after Chavez fired 20,000 of its employees.)

    Fusion GPS was used to kill a Wall Street Journal investigative reporter’s story about this corruption.

    All of the above was related by Alek Boyd, who was described as a “Venezuelan investigative reporter” to Lee Smith, a senior editor with the Weekly Standard and a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute that has written extensively about Fusion GPS for Tablet. But Boyd also worked for Halvorssen at the Human Rights Foundation. And Halvorssen’s family was a part of the pre-Chavez oligarchy in Venezuela.

    Interesting, no? But it gets better.

    Bill Browder, whom our host wrote of in his 6 part series on the Russian kleptocracy, testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee that Fusion GPS was hired by the Russian femme fatale Veselnitskaya in order to smear Browder and Alek Boyd, the latter claiming that Fusion GPS branded him a pedophile, sexual deviant, and drug addict.

    So, you’ve got Fusion GPS, the Russkies, and the Dems in one corrupt camp, and those that are exposing their misdeeds: Browder, Lee Smith (you can’t get any more right-wing establishmentarian than Lee), Halvorssen, and Boyd in the other. Both sides are using the press to their own ends.

    Halvorssen is a shady character….he was probably motivated by his familial ties rather than any allegiance to Browder or the right-wingers.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  57. Well I’ve been following halvorsen for nearly 25 years now, he did have ties to cap. But was out of favor with the calderon regime. He is the real deal.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/1993/1220/20012.html

    Tberecis a method to how certain certain stories get covered with a pillow, and pthrts are like that head on commercial, smashingly you senseless. But derrick is who I was referring to.

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. This was back when newspaper stories were on microfiche or in hard copy.

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. And such things don’t only happen in the distant past:
    http://babalublog.com/2017/10/28/andres-felipe-arias-colombias-political-prisoner

    Every deep state is depressing in its own way (as Tolstoy might have said, his uncle was interior minister for a time)

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. Patterico – please stop saying you are not a partisan. You are a 100% anti-Trump partisan. Just admit, you will feel better.

    Scott (98cb1c)

  61. We assume the indictment wee filed what proof is there, from the sane outfits who insisted the dossier was not iron clad but immaculate, the ones who hid Harvey weinsteins depredations for a dozen years. Longer for other figures.

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. Furthermore you saw the make up of the Libby juror, at least one editor with the Washington post, one netrots blogger who has not removed for cause. And some who just wanted to send a message

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. Dodger bats. finally woke up. Awesome 9th inning. Alex Wood was great.

    But they stranded 11 to 3 for the ‘Stros.

    Need to give Kershaw a better buffer tomorrow.

    harkin (cf32fb)

  64. Yes, they finally broke out of the pack.

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. Patterico, The news has suddenly gotten captivating, but it’s been a busy day for me, so haven’t had much time read about all this. I’ll have to get back to this later. But thanks for your response.

    Tillman (a95660)

  66. Browder’s background is….worth a look. Both of his mentors were crooks: Robert Maxwell, who stole $750M from his companies’ pension funds, and Edmond Safra, the owner of The National Republic Bank of New York which was laundering billions of dollars which Robert Friedman’s piece “Money Plane”reports as:

    “a startling account of regular deliveries of crisp new $100.00 bills flown by the planeload from JFK International Airport nonstop to Moscow, five nights a week, where the money allegedly becomes part of the Russian mob’s vast international crime syndicate in a money-laundering operation of mind-boggling proportions. According to Mr. Friedman, principals in this operation – aside from its eventual recipients – are the National Republic Bank of New York and the United States Federal Reserve. Rarely less than $100 Million – allegedly – and sometimes more than $1 Billion, these regular-as-clockwork infusions of laundered moola are said to total more than $40 Billion since 1994, over two of the most Dante-esque and tormented years in Russia’s history. Put in perspective, that amount far exceeds the value of all rubles in circulation at the time.”

    Safra, of course, was Browder’s partner in Hermitage Capital. This doesn’t make Browder guilty of anything more unscrupulous than your average hedgie, but for balance, here’s a great source for an alternative viewpoint from authors without spittle at the corners of their mouths:

    https://marknesop.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/sergei-magnitsky-bill-browder-hermitage-capital-management-and-wondrous-metamorphoses/

    https://marknesop.wordpress.com/2011/08/21/its-not-what-you-know-its-who-you-know-deconstructing-william-browder/

    Another interesting aspect is Browder’s attempted censorship of Andrei Nekrasov’s documentary “The Magnitsky Act”. Why? Forget the First Amendment….why would Browder care? Maybe it’s because Nekrasov, who has been critical of the Russian government and Putin in particular, documents how he went from trusting Browder’s word to disbelieving it. The director says he began to doubt the hedge fund manager after reading the actual police reports in Russian. For example, Nekrasov argues that Magnitsky’s first contact with the police was not a voluntary act of whistleblowing, as Browder maintains, but a record of the police questioning him as a key witness in a tax evasion investigation.

    As with a babushka doll, perhaps someday we’ll get to the bottom of this.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  67. Weirdness with ASU getting a call reversed for a last second TD at the half, but USC was already in the locker room. Shades of Dave Wannstedt’s WTF moment from the Dolphins 2000 finale against the Pats (called back to the field 35 minutes after the final play due to a rule interpretation).

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  68. #66 – narciso (d1f714) — 10/28/2017 @ 6:59 pm

    You’re confusing the father and his son. The father died years ago.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  69. And Sara was subject to a fusion type campaign in the 80s as relayed in Bryan burroughs first book. He was murdered by his nurse, subsequently, who had some special forces training. So we’ve seem this sort of black legend for years now. There ate alternate interpretations of any supposed event

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. Ill admit this Russia discussion is above my pay grade, but so much of it sounds like what Tom Delay warned us about: the banning of “politics”.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  71. I recall Jefferson motley went on a similAR tirade against capital bank, just because, now he mostly finds excuses to disparage the flag

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. “Chelsea Handler
    @chelseahandler
    So, Republican rep. Dana Rohrabacher from California is was the original person who received info from Russia, because she works w/ them.”

    Best response:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNRZZX_WkAENAo3?format=jpg

    harkin (cf32fb)

  73. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/10/implausible_deniability.html
    Thanks for turning me on to Clarice years ago, narciso. Always look forward to her sunday best.

    mg (31009b)

  74. Well her show got cAnceled so pronoun trouble is expected.

    narciso (334ab0)

  75. Sure strange that no one from Mueller’s team has leaked a name yet.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  76. The NY Post seems to think it is Manafort.

    DRJ (15874d)

  77. A .38 hoagie? Better get her a .32 if you just wanna make somebody angry.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  78. No leaks is an encouraging sign we’re dealing with pros.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  79. If it’s a crime to reveal grand jury information isn’t it a crime to reveal a sealed indictment? How is the cause of justice advanced by breaking the law to enforce the law?

    crazy (d99a88)

  80. Actually that’s Reuters,

    narciso (3ea6aa)

  81. Everyone seems to think it’s Manafort but…https://mobile.twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/923301419611930624

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  82. WSJ editorial board calls for Mueller’s resignation and accuses Clinton and DNC of collusion

    “It turns out that Russia has sown distrust in the U.S. political system—aided and abetted by the Democratic Party, and perhaps the FBI,” the editorial began. “This is an about-face from the dominant media narrative of the last year, and it requires a full investigation.”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-mueller-trump-russia-dossier-collusion-clinton-2017-10

    harkin (10a18c)

  83. And oh yeah:

    “Since April of 2016, Obama’s campaign organization has paid nearly a million dollars to the law firm that funneled money to Fusion GPS to compile a dossier of unverified allegations against Donald Trump.”

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/29/obamas-campaign-gave-972000-law-firm-funneled-money-fusion-gps/

    harkin (10a18c)

  84. And oh yeah:

    CNN’s Undisclosed Ties To Fusion GPS

    CNN’s reporting on the Trump-Russia dossier has left out at least one crucial fact: the close ties between the network and the opposition research firm at the center of the dossier controversy.

    CNN’s reporting on the dossier, led by justice correspondent Evan Perez, has been favorable to the firm, Fusion GPS, and hyped the dossier’s credibility. Left out of Perez’s reporting, which has relied largely on unnamed sources, is his personal closeness to Fusion GPS’ operatives.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/28/cnns-undisclosed-ties-to-fusion-gps/

    harkin (10a18c)

  85. No one will flip because they think Trump will pardon, but does Trump have the Balls?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  86. Been flails… he flails and then Been flails some more. Been fails.

    BeenBurned EPIC FAIL

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  87. Teh Left lives, marches, postures, lashes out, virtue signals, flails and fails within the borders of its self-hatred and ignorance.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  88. Instapardon.

    mg (31009b)

  89. Burma Shave…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  90. Mueller wasted tax-payer money. Pardon du jour.

    mg (31009b)

  91. 88. DRJ (15874d) — 10/29/2017 @ 6:59 am

    Manafort has made it known that he was told he was a target of the investigation, so that would be why he would be the number one guess.

    New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said on Face the Nation that, depending on who leaked this, it could be criminal.. But I think it would be more criminal if the name or names were leaked, so maybe that’s why this didn’t happen. He also said there are (legitimate) reasons for sealed indictments – to get preparations ready (but that would not explain sealing it and then leaking it, I think.)

    Now, it was obvious there was some grand jury activity on Friday because there were prosecutors there, so that’s a little bit of confirmtion.

    It could be a coincidence that the indictment(s) came now, or, I have to think, it could be to distract attention of the news media from other stories (another possible motive: a way for Mueller to protect is job.)

    Leaking the fact that there was an indictment could also be an attempt to give it better play, or maybe it’s that reporters were told to get ready for a perp walk on Monday.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  92. 101. Re: Burma. Facebook may be complicit in encouraging genocide.

    It’s been used by radical Buddhists and I wonder if somewhere there’s actual evidence of murder, as opposed to lies about the Rohingya. This tops anything done by Russia.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/world/asia/myanmar-government-facebook-rohingya.html?_r=0

    It works both ways.

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/united-nations-for-a-free-tibet/attention-false-propaganda-circulating-on-the-internet-and-facebook/445757405457326/

    (this, posted by Tibetans some months ago, deals with provably false accusations, or at least false pictures, about Buddhists killing Moslems.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  93. Trumpian pardons (especially if they are done in the typical — premature, disorganized, spasmodic, ejaculatory — Trumpian fashion) might well prove to be the “final straw” which grabs the attention (and meaningfully strokes what passes for balls) of the Republican House. As far as impeachment is concerned. And if the House nonetheless proves as resolutely feckless as its past might predict, Trumpian pardons together with a lack of meaningful House Republican action in response are likely (imo) to swing an already increasingly dissatisfied/disgusted (read: “conscience-holding”) electorate to a radical house cleansing in 2018. Clearing and paving the road to impeachment.

    The more interesting question is this: is a presidential pardon which is fundamentally “illegitimate”, an effective pardon at all? Or (perhaps) one which is judicial “voidable” (if not “void” ab initio?). My gut tells me “yes”, but that is w/out benefit of legal research/analysis. Given this presidency and president, however, I suspect that there will be more than one case upon which the courts will be called upon to opine and decide the question.

    Q! (86710c)

  94. Paul Manafort was said to have turned state’s evidence on one or both of the Podesta brothers with regard to payments by the pro-Russia Ukrainian party. If that’s true, would an indictment of Manafort be a preliminary step to proceeding further?

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  95. My gut tells me “yes”, but that is w/out benefit of legal research/analysis.

    Legitimate or not the die will be cast and s slippery slope for us and the doors that put him in the catbird seat. The New Whigs will not escape the Wake that follows. have a drink!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  96. “38% is not Catalonia”

    poster seen amongst Trumpets at Jonestown.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  97. Interestingly enough rakhine province sits on mineral rights that china claims a little like the oil in the caucasus

    narciso (3ea6aa)

  98. ‘It sound and diet signifying nothing, this is fining jay walking while enabling treason.

    narciso (364166)

  99. Brexit, Catalonia and Trumpism:

    False flag revolutions..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  100. Clintons grifted, Republicans were gifted.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. “BuzzFeed News has learned that investigators have been scrutinizing at least 13 wire transfers between 2012 and 2013. The transfers were first flagged by American financial institutions, which are required by law to tell an office within the Treasury Department about any transactions they deem suspicious. Such “suspicious activity reports” do not prove wrongdoing. Federal law requires financial institutions to file reports on cash transactions that exceed $10,000 in a single day, even if those transactions seem otherwise legitimate. Banks are also required to file the reports whenever they suspect money laundering or other financial crimes.

    Bank officers flagged unusual behavior among five offshore companies that authorities say are associated with Manafort: Global Endeavour Inc., Lucicle Consultants Ltd., and three others that appear to have no current contact information.”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/fbi-probe-of-paul-manafort-focuses-on-13-suspicious-wire?utm_term=.xr62kr45N#.gxYXMamyG

    harkin (10a18c)

  102. They attempt to paint Massachusetts’ populist senator as phony and an elitist, a go-to playbook for her political opponents. But this time the attacks are coming from someone new: Robert Mercer, a New York billionaire who is trying to remake American politics and who bankrolled former Trump chief strategist Stephen Bannon’s Republican revolution.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/10/28/the-mercers-bring-their-politics-massachusetts/KrLD9nRDZsFxRTeuyjiokO/story.html

    Mercer’s methods are anything but subtle. One political operative described Mercer’s approach to politics as a “trail of tears” tactic, a reference to President Andrew Jackson’s forced removal of Native Americans from their homelands.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  103. Thanks for the link harkin

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  104. Mo Elliethee gulping like a carp during FNS discussion of this past week’s disclosures on HRC/DNC funding and collusion w/Russia.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  105. Was 2012/2013 when Manafort was working with the Podesta’s???

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  106. You know that’s not entirely clear, manager was just a pass through to podesta and mercury, but there was a,likely overlap.

    narciso (364166)

  107. Clearly who ever bought the globe for a dollar overpaid

    narciso (364166)

  108. #84 mg

    The Steyn article you linked to (thanks for that) contains a link to a document on documentcloud.org which purports to be the Steele dossier. Do you know if this is actually the dossier?

    Thanks.

    JoeH (f94276)

  109. If this is a Manafort indictment, and consists only of allegations in the 2012 and 2013 time frame, when Manafort served as a consultant to the Russian-favored Ukranian President, and the indictment has NOTHING TO DO with the 2016 election, how will the press react?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  110. It’s foundational. Isn’t that a basis for RICO? Mueller is taking little bytes and building the overarching case.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  111. You would think the judge who sealed the indictment would have the Special Counsel appear to explain how its existence became the talk of the town.

    crazy (d99a88)

  112. I have no dealings with Russia. I have no deals that could happen in Russia, because we’ve stayed away. And I have no loans with Russia. I have no loans with Russia at all.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/story/98321252/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  113. Robert Mueller’s a corrupt sleazy FBI knob-polisher who belongs in jail with the rest of the sleazy FBI trash-sluts

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. 84. 122. There were several versions of this dossier (it kept on being updated by Christopher Steele – in fact the dossier is said to be a combination of reports filed at different times) and also there are some hints, like from something that Senator Dianne Feinstein said during testimony before her committee, that it is not the entire dossier. (the confirmation hearing for Brian Benczkowski to be Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division at 1:55)

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/10/09/difi-confirms-the-public-steele-dossier-is-not-the-whole-thing

    Feinstein: Before you go on, do you have the whole dossier?

    Benczkowski: I read the dossier online as it was published on BuzzFeed [raises two fingers]

    Feinstein: The whole dossier is not online.

    Benczkowski: The only thing that I have done, Senator, in that regard, was read the two pages as to Alfa Bank.

    Feinstein: You have not seen the whole dossier?

    Benczkowski: I have not.

    Empty Wheel writes:

    This is the classic Feinstein hearing disclosure, and past history suggests it would be accurate.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  115. You would think the judge who sealed the indictment would have the Special Counsel appear to explain how its existence became the talk of the town.

    Lol this is just who they are. The sleazy judge is all up in the dirty.

    And bam!

    Come Monday America and much of the world begin an intensive drawn-out FBI-taught lesson in how sleazy corrupt and worthless the failmerican justice system’s become.

    The tuition for which is pegged at 12 million dollars and counting.

    How does this not help President Trump?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  116. Feinstein: The whole dossier is not online.

    hillary’s masterpiss maybe has yet to be unveiled in all its splendor, but remember if there was anything there dirty Mueller would’ve leaked it already

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  117. Nada, happy.

    Mueller has done a magnificent job controlling leaks.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  118. magnificent

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  119. Empty Wheel links to an earlier blog post, which practically proves it is obvious that this is not the entire work product of Christopher Steele:

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/01/13/the-released-dossier-is-not-the-complete-dossier

    This is not the complete dossier. It was selectively released.

    The gaps are immediately identifiable from the report numbering, which (as released) goes like this:

    080: June 20, 2016, serif
    086: July 26, 2015 (citing events in 2016), serif
    095: not dated, serif
    94: July 19, 2016, serif
    097: July 30, 2016, sans, justified
    100: August 5, 2016, serif, note typeface size change
    101: August 10, 2016, sans
    102: August 10, 2016, sans
    136: October 20, 2016, serif, wider margins
    105: August 22, 2016, serif
    111: September 14, 2016, serif
    112: September 14, 2016, serif
    113: September 14, 2016, serif
    130: October 12, 2016, larger sans
    134: October 18, 2016, smaller serif
    135: October 19, 2016, serif
    166: December 13, 2016, serif

    You might think some of this is just about pages being out of order but someone — perhaps Buzzfeed? — wrote in page numbers by hand on the lower right.

    So the reporting was frequent, sometimes more than daily. It must have started sometime in April, if not before (which explains how a project started by a Republican challenger to Trump ends up with a June 2016 report

    [Wrong: The Democrats actually hired Fusion GPS in March and Fusion started working for them, or at least getting paid, in April. The Washington Free Beacon hired Fusion GPS for an entirely unrelated project, except that it had to do with Donald Trump – SF]

    we just don’t have the first 79 reports);

    [That makes it look like the claim that Steele was hired in June is a lie, or did they have a different private detective before? SF]

    it’s even possible the earlier reporting included more details on Hillary. Over that time, the reporting protocol changed (no longer identifying each source with a letter). And the reports continue into December, well past the election, and well past the time a Hillary supporter — ostensibly the funder for this project — might want to influence the election.

    It’s said Steele was doing this after teh election on spec Or because he was a true believer. Or he may been expecting to be paid by the FBI. I think it’s possible many of the the omitted things are just totally ridiculous and Steele left them out of a summary of his reports – maybe this – that he compiled after the election because it didn’t make his work look good.- SF

    Reports 94 and 095 are especially weird, as it appears that the temporal sequences is broken. 095 reports on the general scope of the campaign against Hillary. 94 reports on meetings between Carter Page and Igor Sechin.

    None of this explains why those gaps exist or what the oddness in reports 94 and 095 stem from. But it is a real reason to question the provenance of the copy BuzzFeed got.

    Update: I’ve been informed that these kinds of typeface changes are a way the Brits use to track leakers.

    So they may know who the leaker is here.

    Well, since Steele was a long time agent of MI-6 Steele could have prepared the reports this way himself in line with his long training.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  120. the heavily edited dossier is probably the one the sleazy FBI used to trick a FISA judge into approving illegal spying

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  121. 122-JoeH
    I don’t know.

    mg (31009b)

  122. 134.

    the heavily edited dossier is probably the one the sleazy FBI used to trick a FISA judge into approving illegal spying

    The heavily edited dossier must have been compiled no earlier than December 12, 2016, so it couldn’t have been used in its entirety as part of an application for a FISA warrant in June, July or October or whenever that is supposed to have happened.

    They also just would have used one or two or just a few of the reports.

    One thing this heavily edited dossier might be is Steele’s promotional material when seeking to get hired. I don’t know.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  123. I wonder if the published dossier is the version John McCain got. Did he get it after December 13?

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  124. Its not intelligence, the function of it is like the trust, dzerzhindki false antibolshevik resistance that nabbed Reilly and zinoviev, of course they have it to David corn, because he’ll believe anything.

    narciso (d1f714)

  125. David Corn carries around a dossier 2 feet thick all having to do with why he is the most important person in the world.

    mg (31009b)

  126. I wonder if the published dossier is the version John McCain got. Did he get it after December 13?

    sleazy war hero John McCain, who fancies himself quite the player, got his version of Hillary’s pee pee dossier in November and slipped one to the dirty FBI, specifically to corrupt leaker Jim Comey, on December 9

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  127. The real purpose it was used to secure a visa warrant, which they otherwise wouldn’t have gotten. Let’s go up and down k street and see how many of their books are in order.

    narciso (d1f714)

  128. The Federalist is just Fox in drag.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  129. So nearly 10 million (Dr Evil pinky) went toward this project, curious.

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. Why wasn’t she 50 points ahead, because she spent money on this.

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. it would’ve been more Mr. narciso but Team Hillary only had minimal expenses related to keeping their dirty russian collusion under wraps

    they already knew they didn’t have anything to worry about from the sleazy bought-off FBI or the corrupt DOJ

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  132. obama “Behind Bars”
    What a movie

    mg (31009b)

  133. I like non-fiction more than Science Fiction/Fantasy mg. But I am the Outlier here, at least.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  134. Halvorsen is working with singer to adapt moon is a harsh mistress, confidence is high that they’ll screw it up unfortunately.

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. Exactly how, was the FBI bought off..

    Please be specific more than rhetorical. I keep hearing a relentless echo seemingly endorsing itself.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  136. Excerpt from Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign:

    “Within 24 hours of her concession speech, [campaign chair John Podesta and manager Robby Mook] assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn’t entirely on the up-and-up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument.”

    The plan, according to the book, was to push journalists to cover how “Russian hacking was the major unreported story of the campaign,” and it succeeded to a fare-thee-well. After the election, coverage of the Russian “collusion” story was relentless, and it helped pressure investigations and hearings on Capitol Hill and even the naming of a special counsel, which in turn has triggered virtually nonstop coverage.”

    Seems that when one campaign stopped, the next one started….and campaigns take $$$.

    harkin (10a18c)

  137. 106 in the Texas World series thread:

    ah\shiwreckedcrew:

    Once they have voted, the doors are opened and they tell the prosecutor the result. The GJ Foreperson then calls the Court Clerk, and states they have returned an indictment. At that point the proceedings become open to the public — the doors have to be open, and there must be a route by which members of the public can find their way to the GJ room.

    The judge comes in, calls court into session, and the Foreman reports to the Court its work — if the case is sealed by request of the prosecutor and order of the Court, the Foreperson will simply announce to the Court that it has returned an indictment which is sealed.

    Wait. If the indictment is sealed, are the proceedings open to the public?

    So the correct way to describe what happened yesterday — to the extent known — is that Mueller and his staff recommended an indictment be returned, but it was the GJ that voted to return the indictment. The Court accepted the indictment for filing under seal. Its likely that arrests warrants were issued — which is overkill — because there really is no other purpose for sealing an indictment unless you are going to arrest someone.

    And either

    1) for some reason, you can’t, or

    2) you don’t want to make it known that an informant has been indicted.

    Is that right?

    It may be that they plan to conduct searches on Monday too, so they don’t want whoever is the subject of the indictment to know they are the subject of the indictment and risk that the person might attempt to destroy evidence between now and when the searches are completed.

    But when an indictment is sealed, isn’t the fact that an sealed indictmentexists also sealed?

    But there is nothing that prevents them from doing searches tomorrow.

    Today that is, Sunday. reporters have apparently bene told to await arrests or maybe JUST the unsealing of the indictment(s) probably on Monday.

    In fact, having a warrant issued, and then allowing the person who is subject to that warrant just walk around for 48 or 72 hours until you choose to arrest them, violates DOJ policy. When someone has a warrant, and you (a federal law enforcement officer) knows where they, you have a duty to go get them — the warrant is a Court order to bring the person before the judge. Law enforcement agents aren’t allowed to pick a later date than the date on the warrant when its more convenient to them.

    Unless maybe it is sealed, of course.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  138. 148. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/29/2017 @ 12:23 pm

    148.I like non-fiction more than Science Fiction/Fantasy, mg. But I am the Outlier here, at least.

    I like nonfiction better than fiction. But I like science fiction more than most otehr kinds of fiction.

    There’s more thought to the stories.

    When it comes to nonfiction, I like somethinbg better thann turgid tomes or best sellers.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  139. 141. I think that’s the wrong link.

    This one says – and we’re not sure what version of the dossier is on the web – maybe the version that went to President Obama in December.

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/07/16/mccain-and-the-trump-russia-dossier

    it was prepared by Steele in December, largely from work done between June and November 2016 for Fusion GPS, a D.C.-based political consulting firm. Fusion was paid first by anti-Trump Republicans and later by Hillary Clinton supporters to produce evidence of Trump’s alleged financial and political ties to Russia.

    well, we now know that Fusion GPS was hired by the Democrats in April (March but started getting paid in April) and ASteele’s work probably goes back 2 months before June.

    It was “late summer/August 2016″ when Steele began briefing reporters on his research, according to a recent document filed by Steele and his company, Orbis Business Intelligence Limited, in response to the lawsuit Aleksei Gubarev filed against them. Gubarev, a Russian venture capitalist, claims he and his companies (Webzilla BV, Webzilla Limited, and XBT Holding S.A.) were falsely identified as part of the DNC hacking operation in the dossier authored by Steele and published by Buzzfeed.

    Steele’s company first began working with Fusion back in 2010, according to what he told the court. In 2016, he began work on Fusion’s Trump opposition-research project, producing 16 memos for Fusion prior to the November election. Steele briefed reporters from select outlets (The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, The New Yorker, Yahoo, and Mother Jones) on the contents of the memos but did not “provide any of the pre-election memoranda to media organizations or journalists, [nor] authorize anyone to do so.”

    So,

    1. Steele first was hired by Fusion GPS in 2010.

    2. He produced 16 memoes for Fusion in 2016. That’s fewer than the number of separate reports, so they may have been summaries.

    3. He briefed reporters in 2016..

    4. But he did “provide any of the pre-election memoranda to media organizations or journalists, [nor] authorize anyone to do so.” He gave them, nothing in written form, nor did he prepare anything to be given to reporters. That, therefore, (anything written material) came from Fusion GPS. Which had reporters then talk to Steele.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  140. Fusion GPS, or Dem lawyers, produced stuff to leak to reporters in 2016, one of which made its way into print or online.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  141. About the lead of the existence of an indictment.

    Its hard to pin this on Mueller and his staff because there are 4 distinct groups of individuals that the leak could come from.

    1. The Prosecutor’s office.
    2. The grand jury members
    3. The court staff
    4. In this case, DOJ which by regulation must be advised when an indictment is being sought.

    The fact that the only thing that has leaked out is the fact that an indictment has being issued by the GJ and sealed by the Court, without naming the person involved, suggests to me that its a grand juror, and the disclosure might not have been meant for the press.

    Remember, CNN described the source as someone “who had been briefed on the matter.” Heck, that could be the Uncle Joe of the grand jury foreperson.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  142. March 1, 1974: In an indictment against seven former presidential aides, delivered to Judge Sirica together with a sealed briefcase intended for the House Committee on the Judiciary, Nixon is named as an unindicted co-conspirator.
    March 4, 1974: the “Watergate Seven” (Mitchell, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Colson, Gordon C. Strachan, Robert Mardian, and Kenneth Parkinson) are formally indicted.
    March 18, 1974: Judge Sirica orders the grand jury’s sealed report to be sent to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Watergate_scandal

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  143. This just in: BIG PHARMA has bought the entire world apple crop for this year and the next.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  144. I tend to think the indictment will be to a Trump-related person and not a Dem. But it probably will have zilch to do with Russia collusion and everything to do with financial shenanigans (probably Russia-related) and/or lying to the feds.

    That is my Prediction #1.

    Prediction #2: sometime after the indictment issues — not necessarily tomorrow but sometime in the next few weeks — Trump reminds us all how he pardoned Arpaio and cites Arpaio’s “loyalty.” Dems will say this is obstruction of justice, with Trump sending a coded signal to the indicted party to stand strong and loyal so he can collect his pardon. Republicans will split between “Trump is not sending a coded message” and “of course Trump is sending a coded message and that’s fine by me!” A select handful will argue both.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  145. I would be loyal to President Trump 100% cause I love America and I love President Trump

    happyfeet (a1a928)

  146. “We’ve got some of the smartest people in America who serve in the Congress, and we’ve got some of the dumbest. We have some of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet, and some that are Nazis. Congress is nothing more than a slice of America.”

    -Bohner

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  147. Since the Nazi’s, our enemy, were completely defeated 70 years ago Bohner really needs to name those in Congress who are still Nazis. They should be arrested. BTW, so should the communists.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  148. I ordered mine today, Ben!. Hurry comrade, supplies are limited.

    https://youtu.be/i9qv8RSreIM

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  149. I think he means Nazi sympathizers, hoagie but carry on..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  150. But he didn’t say the Nazi sympathizers, Ben!. He stated “Nazi’s”. So who are they? And who are the sympathizers giving aide and comfort to an American enemy? And why do they fixate on a defeated enemy when the communists have infiltrated the Democrat party and America itself?

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8yPoJRGtSpw/We-gHMHh-LI/AAAAAAABmHI/4bfvr9oNYo4WQ3QHvUZkyto4ThkU2msWACLcBGAs/s1600/dndBQU2.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  151. Remember I said it could be Kushner, Hoagie.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/29/jared-kushner-saudi-arabia-244291

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  152. Lee Smith, pointed out the coincidence of category error, among the times, reuters, and other sources back in July:
    english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2017/07/21/Huwairini-s-elevation-to-head-of-Saudi-state-security-contradicts-New-York-Times-claims-.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. This will end up with Mueller being fired and the democrats losing 4 more senate seats, 10 more less in the house along with numerous democrats continuing to be ousted in state elections come 2018. Bannon and the silent majority are here to kick commie azz.

    mg (31009b)

  154. Every time someone asks Donald Trump if he knows Felix Sater, his Russian-born, Brooklyn-bred former business associate, Trump draws a blank. Despite the fact that Sater worked on and off for a decade with the Trump Organization, and despite his recent headline-making appearance as an exuberant negotiator on behalf of Trump’s hardnosed attorney, Michael Cohen, in seeking to build a “massive Trump Tower in Moscow” last year, Trump ducks.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/who-is-felix-sater-and-why-is-donald-trump-so-afraid-of-him/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  155. https://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/authors/scott-taitel
    This is the guy that most likely knows.

    mg (31009b)

  156. i hate robert mueller he makes the holidays stink like ass i’m so glad he’s not my dad

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  157. 166.But he didn’t say the Nazi sympathizers, Ben!. He stated “Nazi’s”.

    He probably meant anyone who advocates a balanced budget or cutting spending.

    On the Left Nazi means anyone who says things like “All Lives Matter”.

    harkin (10a18c)

  158. None of this is incidental, adorno of the Frankfurt school. Created the authoritarian personality template that was popularized by hifstadler as early as the mid 50s. But really flowered by the time by goldwater’s campaign. And this the cracked mirror that our peripathetic troll sees through.

    narciso (d1f714)


  159. 161.“We’ve got some of the smartest people in America who serve in the Congress, and we’ve got some of the dumbest. We have some of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet, and some that are Nazis. Congress is nothing more than a slice of America.”

    -Bohner
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/29/2017 @ 3:53 pm

    This is the “Nazi” quote you made so don’t straw man me with any “Remember I said it could be Kushner, Hoagie.” stuff Ben!.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  160. Thanks for reading Ben burn for us, so we don’t have to, Hoagie.

    Now … you think that these lefties who quote Boehner with such ethos liked him a real big lot when he was the Republican Speaker of the House in the Mau Mau years?

    nk (dbc370)

  161. Rather fascinating watching so many in Hollywood/Media who were claiming Trump was the worst person on earth (e.g. Mark Halperin, Matt Taibbi, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck etc.) are now fighting to run him out of the top fifty:

    Actor Anthony Rapp: Kevin Spacey Made A Sexual Advance Toward Me When I Was 14

    The Star Trek: Discovery actor says women speaking out about sexual misconduct in the entertainment industry has compelled him to come forward about the Oscar winner.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/anthony-rapp-kevin-spacey-made-sexual-advance-when-i-was-14?utm_term=.rhXEoXRvw#.gqjmq10yx

    harkin (10a18c)

  162. I’ve noted about the show few are watching that the antihero sort of captain blight character, is named lorca, after the pacifist Spanish poet, one though he might be a mirror universe transplant but no.

    narciso (d1f714)


  163. 176.Thanks for reading Ben burn for us, so we don’t have to, Hoagie.

    It is my pleasure, nk. I cannot help but follow the natural development of comrade Ben! as I believe one day his visage will rival that of comrade commissar Che for prominent T-shirt wear. Picture his face superimposed on a clenched fist all on a field of red. Stirring, no?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  164. More of this carp

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/279538/

    narciso (d1f714)

  165. Remember, next Friday we are to celebrate the 60th anniversary of comrade Laika the space dog’s flight into space on November 3, 1957. There will be double black bread and beet vodka rations to celebrate the victorious superiority of Soviet space technology over kapitalist swine.

    Ben! keep your morning open in case we need a Grand Marshal for the parade.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  166. Laika the space dog

    Isn’t that the little pooch who they shot into space with enough air for half the flight (which didn’t matter as she cooked in the capsule)?

    harkin (10a18c)

  167. 180, the Kochs are a lot closer to that Paul Singer jerk than to the Bannonite emergent, its the same aversion to coalition building and refusal to engage and enlist in enemy of my enemy alliances(idiot Atkinson shooting the sometimes obstructionist HFC) that ensures the ultimate humiliation of any leftist fart rebellion.

    urbanleftbehind (f74148)

  168. Yes, and they’ve given too much money to Barbara streisand outfits like the aclu, but this is the battlespace exercise I desoise

    narciso (d1f714)

  169. 182, not to make light if a dying dog, but did she end up like this guy?

    urbanleftbehind (f74148)

  170. ‘Launder it’ that seems eerily appropriate. In light of this thread. But only one set of washers seem under scrutiny, perhaps because fusion has toed to more than one security service in the west.

    narciso (d1f714)

  171. Seth Mcfarlane, seemed to have known about Kevin spacey as well.

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. I think you can call Kushner “judgement proof”.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  173. @177. Pfft. Spacey’s preferences have been well known in Tinseltown for years.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  174. It wasn’t him. It was Keyser Soze.

    It’s not a coincidence that the director of that movie was Bryan Singer, whose proclivities mirror Spacey’s and have been known since at least 1997. Those type of perverts network.

    nk (dbc370)

  175. This really is the next shoe to drop. Particularly Singer.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  176. @192. Co-worker was hit on by KS at a business soiree back in the 90’s. Old news in Oscarland.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  177. Off-topic but tip of the cap to the Astros and Dodgers–helluva World Series so far. Game 5 topped 1 through 4. They do MLB proud.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  178. Yes, but OUCH. To lose like that is gut-wrenching.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  179. I would pay money if the Fox announcers would STFU with their recordoids. “He is only the 5th youngest red-headed left-hander to hit a home run in game 3 of a World Series” Can you imagine Vin Scully resorting to crap like that?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  180. 116. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/29/2017 @ 10:02 am

    One political operative described Mercer’s approach to politics as a “trail of tears” tactic, a reference to President Andrew Jackson’s forced removal of Native Americans from their homelands.

    That’s silly.

    This is someone just looking for some way to say that trying to unseat an incumbent is evil. Why is it a “trail of tears” Because he’s trying to get rid of all Democrats?

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  181. It’s Manafort, plus one other person, an associate of his. No perp walk. They were called by prosecutors and told to turn themselves in. Manafort was called second (or it is so reported) The indictment is still sealed, and will probably be made public at the arraignment, which could be minutes or hours from now.

    They were thinking there could be more, but as time goes on and there’s no more news, it looks like that’s it.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  182. As for how the news media will cover this:

    Some, the more partisan organizations, will maybe cover this like it means something about Trump.

    Others will speculate about Mueller’s strategy. (like get him to plead guilty and turn staet’s evidence)

    When they find out what the indictment is about, most headlines and first paragraphs will describe the type of law allegedly violated, and anything that gets past the third or fourth paragraph will attempt to describe the alleged illegal acts.

    The real mystery here is how did someone – and it’s more than one person – whom Russia probably knew was corrupt or suspected could be corrupted, or at least appoint others who were, get into such high positions in the Trump campaign?

    Not, I think, because Trump was knowingly taking orders or advice from Vladimir Putin, which is what partisan Democrats would want us to say..

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  183. 181. 182. In all I read about that dog, (which wasn’t all that much) I never read that the dog died. How come the writers didn’t mention that? I guess Khrushchev didn’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  184. “Some, the more partisan organizations, will maybe cover this like it means something about Trump.”
    Really Sammy? In large part, the Dude ran Trump’s campaign and worked closely with him! No, forgetting that is partisan.

    By the way, is Captain Chaos still delaying the sanctions against Vladimir Putin? This is nuts.

    Tillman (a95660)

  185. disgraced FBI slutboy James Comey leaked his memos illegally for so sleazy corrupt Acting Attorney general Rod Rosenstein would have a pretext to appoint a special counsel, but cowardly Jeffy Sessions first had to recuse himself

    so now corrupt Bobby Mueller and his cabal of butthurt harvardtrash have to round up some ham sammiches

    this is how trashy America’s justoce system has become

    so trashy

    so corrupt

    so fascist

    and so enthusiastically applauded by sleazy cheesy nevertrump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  186. oopers this is how trashy America’s justice system has become i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  187. btw tried to have Greek this weekend but we got there Sunday afternoon and it was closed :(

    so we went to a pub instead and i had a really wonderful curry with wild rice, perfectly done butternut squash and some root vegetables

    there were some minted mushy peas on the side and some very memorable cauliflower steaks done up in anchovy butter

    we toured the cocktail menu and our first toast was no to mussolini

    we really hate mussolini a lot

    ended with a bread pudding it was a lovely afternoon

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  188. If press reports are true that Manafort wasn’t notified of the sealed indictment against him for a day or two then why? Did prosecutors use the leak to stir the hornet’s nest and while continuing to monitor Manafort and others communications with one another?

    Since the charges cover the period Manafort worked for the Podesta group is Ahab after a whale in a pantsuit?

    crazy (d99a88)

  189. “Some, the more partisan organizations, will maybe cover this like it means something about Trump.”

    Tillman (a95660) — 10/30/2017 @ 6:17 am

    Really Sammy? In large part, the Dude ran Trump’s campaign and worked closely with him! No, forgetting that is partisan.

    He ran it for a short time. But the charges have nothing to do with Trump, and involve what he did earlier.

    The only relevance is how somebody whom Russia would have reason to know, or at least suspect, could be bought by them, wound up in the position he did.

    Not I think, because Trump was knowingly taking orders or advice from Vladimir Putin. The on;y way you can make any such claim is to say that Trump had a longstanding corrupt relationship with Russia – that he and Manafort were part of the same corruption, like some of Christopher Steele’s sources tried to tell him. But that is manifestly not so.

    Trump simply had very little dealings in or with Russia, and most of his attempts to get any failed – probably because he wouldn’t make any kickbacks. I would say he never took the hint(s).

    By the way, is Captain Chaos still delaying the sanctions against Vladimir Putin? This is nuts.

    What are you talking about here?

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  190. 208. crazy (d99a88) — 10/30/2017 @ 7:14 am

    Did prosecutors use the leak to stir the hornet’s nest and while continuing to monitor Manafort and others communications with one another?

    Do search warrants expire with an arrest, or is it maybe that evidence cannot be collected after that?

    You still have the issue of attorney-client privilege even before an arrest (and he was notified that Mueller would seek an indictment a month before, according to the New York Times)

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  191. Ben Burn @157:

    March 1, 1974: In an indictment against seven former presidential aides, delivered to Judge Sirica together with a sealed briefcase intended for the House Committee on the Judiciary, Nixon is named as an unindicted co-conspirator.

    March 4, 1974: the “Watergate Seven” (Mitchell, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Colson, Gordon C. Strachan, Robert Mardian, and Kenneth Parkinson) are formally indicted. That also went from Friday to Monday? What is an informal indictment?

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  192. 133. in the In Defense of John Kelly thread:

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/1/2017 @ 3:40 pm

    Off the topic — Andy McCarthy has a GREAT article today from the perspective of a former federal prosecutor about all the things that are odd about Mueller’s indictment of Manafort.

    Yesterday Mark Levin spoke about that

    One thing he said was that in charging Manafort tried to hide the fact he was a foreign agent, you had him committing a felony to protect a misdemeanor – a misdemeanor which is rarely if ever prosecuted – they just get foreign agents to register. Of course someone could do that; it’s not a big objection.

    The other thing I remember Levin saying is that Manafort was charged with money laundering, but not with evading taxes! (which was presumably the underlying motive or crime.)

    I think here maybe the prosecutors have competing theories as to what was going on. Maybe Manafort was hiding money for Russian government, or oligarchs, and it wasn’t all his. Maybe Manafort has so said.

    By the way, he probably could not be indicted for the tax year 2015 because it was all coming out before he had to file his 2015 tax returns on October 15, 2016 and so he probably filed it correctly and told the truth to his accountants and tax attorneys.

    Mueller has at least one more sealed indictment, probably of Mike Flynn and/or associates of Mike Flynn.

    The shortcomings of the indictment — especially the structuring a “scheme and artifice to defraud” predicate which is always present when you charge bank fraud, wire fraud or mail fraud, which is not followed by any fraud counts — will cause a lot of head scratching on the part of the district judge who gets this case.

    It always bothered me in the watergate case in which Haldeman and others were indicted, they were charged with covering things up, without the prosecutors having to say or prove what it is they were covering up. that sounds similar.

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  193. What I don’t understand is how is it that everybody doesn’t understand that the emails that the Russians claimed (to George Papadopolous and others) to have, are NOT what they really (probably) had – to wit the hacked DNC emails and John Podesta’s GMail account – but Hillary’s deleted emails, which they almost certainly didn’t have, but which everybody knew about.

    I can’t understand how people don’t understand that.

    What’s wrong with them?

    Sammy Finkelman (20d02d)

  194. i’m kinda surprised you find that twitter so hilarious after your swatting experience

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. What did Twitter have to do with the SWATting? It had to do with Anthony Weiner, which started all of this, and with getting Patterico to stop investigating who the Twitter sockpuppets really were?

    Sammy Finkelman (4eebb9)

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