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10/9/2017

GOP Politicians Fritter Away Their Time Talking About ObamaCare When There is a (Culture) War Going On

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:19 pm

While our President and Vice President are focused like lasers on the real issues facing our country (the NFL), some GOP Congress members are wasting their time talking about ObamaCare and how it will never get repealed:

For the first time, rank-and-file Republicans are acknowledging Obamacare may never be repealed.

After multiple failures to repeal the law, the White House and many GOP lawmakers are publicly promising to try again in early 2018. But privately, both House and Senate Republicans acknowledge they may never be able to deliver on their seven-year vow to scrap the law.

“Personally, I don’t” see it, Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.) said. “I just don’t know how you can reconcile a bill you’ve taken two whiffs at already and couldn’t get the votes.”

Some sound almost resigned to the new reality. “I’d say it’s 50-50,” Rep. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.) said of the prospect the law will remain in place.

Yes, it’s pathetic that these people can’t get anything done. But why are these people talking about repealing ObamaCare to begin with?

I don’t care about health care, Phil Roe. Where are you on taking a knee during the national anthem? Enough talk about leaving a socialist monstrosity in place, Kevin Cramer. Would you have had the testicular fortitude to spend $250,000 of taxpayer money to walk out of a football game after 10 minutes?

I’m sick and tired of Donald Trump and Mike Pence being the only ones to focus on the real issues. Where are our Congressmen on the culture war? I won’t be satisfied until every Republican member of Congress stages a pricey protest at an NFL game. Think of how effective (and expensive) it would be to have every congressional Republican show up at the next 49ers game and then feign surprise as the 49ers take a knee? Why, the gains to be made in the fight against the left are limitless!

Enough yapping about ObamaCare. I want my bread and circuses and I want it now.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

125 Responses to “GOP Politicians Fritter Away Their Time Talking About ObamaCare When There is a (Culture) War Going On”

  1. Ding

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. culture is upstream from politics

    if the filthy liar war hero Republicans really understood this there never would’ve been an obmacare to start with

    happyfeet (28a91b)


  3. Think of how effective (and expensive) it would be to have every congressional Republican show up at the next 49ers game and then feign surprise as the 49ers take a knee?

    Or they could line up arm in arm with a 700 pound gavel on the capitol steps. Or riot and bur police cars and limos. They could wear pink pussy hats in recognition of all those wives that have to put up with their husbands b!tching about taking a knee. Or they could take a knee themselves every time a Democrat rises to speak in the House or Senate. Nah, that stuff only works for leftists Patterico.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  4. Take the golem kimmel, who was schemers puppet.

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. Testicular fortitude?

    I’m afraid I can’t even acknowledge the merit of a back- door compliment. Pence is hollow and outwardly driven and Trump the perfect puppeteer. I guess it’s semantics. Arrogance is often mistaken for confidence.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  6. I’m proud how Mr. Pence and Mr. Trump just say no to letting the dirty NFL continue to molest children and poison their minds with hatred of the flag and the anthem and america

    they stand up

    they say this is wrong

    and they do so while cowardly pervert Mitt Romney shamefully stands silent :(

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. You’re UnAmerican if you hate football.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  8. you are

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. It seems to me that Patterico either believes there is no culture war or that a Republican Congress is incapable of fighting a culture war and pass desired legislation at the same time. Oddly, the Democrats have been waging an anti American culture war for decades all while advancing harmful socialist/leftist Venezuela style legislation even against the will of the American people and *without reading the bills*. Why?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  10. ooh look here’s harvardtrash ted focusing on teh real issues

    Ted Cruz: Boycott ‘Rich Spoiled Athletes’ Who Protest National Anthem

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. Rev H, that’s because the Democrats let the culture warriors war and the legislators legislate. Unless you’ve seen Maxine Waters dress up in antifa black and start hacking away at statues.

    kishnevi (9a5a41)

  12. Speaking of culture wars, when did Cristobal Colon Day get unlinked from October 12?

    kishnevi (9a5a41)

  13. Democrats let the culture warriors war and the courts legislate.

    Fyp

    harkin (2184e5)

  14. So did anyone obey the new-improved Left and go out and deface a statue?

    harkin (2184e5)

  15. On the main topic,I saw mention on Fox that Trump supposedly called Schumer and/or Pelosi about making a deal on health care. Presuming the call took place, I doubt they were enthusiastic, since the WH released that DACA demand list that effectively turns their previous supposed deal with him into confetti.

    But I am sure the Great Dealmaker knows what he is doing.

    kishnevi (9a5a41)

  16. @12. Ring-a-ding-ding:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_cjgtmIz2k

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. Harkin@15

    You have a good point there.

    kishnevi (9a5a41)

  18. A12. A Treat For Mr. Feet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEiDY5qBbg

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Very funny. Your new lefty commenters are probably getting a kick out of the sarcasm.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  20. Speaking of culture wars, when did Cristobal Colon Day get unlinked from October 12?

    A long time ago…the early 70s, when it became a “Monday holiday”

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  21. How do you square the newly introduced facts that attendance at the Colts game had been planned for weeks and it was the short notice appearance in Las Vegas that changed up the travel plans?

    How is a trip planned to attend a game honoring Colt all time greatest Peyton Manning a hastily arranged stunt?

    Are there any facts you can point to suggesting that you hasty criticism from yesterday is accurate, or was it just “too good to check”?

    Shipwreckedcrew (259fcd)

  22. Too funny. The problem with Obamacare is that the only people who actually focused on how to repeal it (Ryan & Co) kept their plan so double-sekrit that when they sprang it on everyone, not everyone was on board. The Ryan plan was the only way this could have worked, politically. If it had passed the House the senate would have mostly gone along. But what they sent to the Senate was a vacuum and Senatorial egos abhor a vacuum.

    The problem is that there is no majority in Congress — there are at least three parties and they are no more capable of repealing Obamacare than they are of tax reform, passing a budget or deciding any damn thing at all.

    That would take Leadership, Ryan can’t seem to do it and McConnell only cares that the Senate cloakroom has the snuffboxes full. And then there’s the vacuum up in the big house where people try to lead by tweet.

    Electing Trump was a disaster. It was less of a disaster than electing Hillary. I really don’t see much going forward except a war between now and 2020.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  23. great video Mr. DCSCA! I like how it makes President Trump look magnificent while juxtaposing him with video where harvardtrash ted looks evil and creepy

    that’s fun for me to see

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. So its a structural problem. Obama was able to carry it out, because he lied his rump off, and bride the rest. Its the minefield with barbed wire.

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. Electing Trump was a disaster.

    this is not true

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. I am reminded of the period between 1840 and 1860, which had 7 Presidents in 5 terms, only one of them (Polk) any good at all. The rest of them couldn’t get a lunch menu through a Congress which was just as dysfunctional, parties rose and fell, and the country stumbled on towards civil war.

    I hope we do better than that. I hope the next election isn’t between a “1” and a “2”.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  27. I mentioned before how the election of 1844, was pivotal, wuthiut you don’t get the Mexican war, which starts the pot boiling to the civil war.

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. Get with it, Kevin, it’s been 1s and 0s for quite a while now.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  29. sleazy slimy slicked-up war hero John McCain’s soros-funded Republican Main Street Partnership accounts for 95% of the dysfunction in Congress

    and he seems to be grooming obnoxious and unctuous sleaze-perv Jeff Flake to take his place when he goes on vacation

    but so many of the little main street piggies are retiring, and a lot of them will be primaried

    so maybe there’s some small room for hope that this odious traitorous and un-american organization will soon dissolve

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. Not on the 10-point scale. Although Hillary might have been a “0”. But anyone who thinks Trump was anything higher than “2” is smoking dope. Except mg, he’s getting the destruction he wants, so on his scale maybe higher.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  31. Ooops, there goes hf back to his old tricks.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  32. President Trump’s hands down the greatest American president in all of history

    we’ll never see his like again

    he’s got sunshine

    on a cloudy day

    and when it’s cold outside he’s got the month of may

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. Is there a greasemonkey version of this script?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  34. President Trump’s hands down the greatest American president in all of history

    Clinically insane. Trump, too.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  35. Electing Trump was a disaster.

    The Titanic was a disaster; electing Trump is like Prohibition: an experiment.

    Now go have another beer.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. you know when you realize someday how wrong you are Mr. M i’m not gonna judge you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. we’ll never see his like again

    Your mouth to God’s ears, as the saying goes.

    kishnevi (9a5a41)

  38. “Runnin’ With Teh Devil Stelter”

    Yeah, yeah, ah, yeah
    He writes his posts like there’s no tomorrow
    And all he’s got, ain’t had to steal
    Least he don’t need to beg or borrow
    Yes he’s livin’ at a pace that kills
    Ooh, yeah
    (Ahh)
    Runnin’ with teh Stelter
    (Ahh-hah, yeah)
    (Woo-hoo-oo)
    Runnin’ with teh Stelter
    Yes he’s yeah, hoo
    Ooh, you know he
    He found teh principles ain’t so simple
    When he jumped out, on that road
    He got no love, no love for Teh Trumpster
    Ain’t got nobody, throw him a bone
    Runnin’ with teh Stelter
    (Hold on, hold on he’s runnin’ ah yeah)
    Runnin’ with teh Stelter
    (Ooh ooh, one more time)
    Runnin’ with teh Stelter
    (Oh, yeah, ya-yeah)
    Runnin’ with teh Stelter

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. How do you square the newly introduced facts that attendance at the Colts game had been planned for weeks and it was the short notice appearance in Las Vegas that changed up the travel plans?

    How is a trip planned to attend a game honoring Colt all time greatest Peyton Manning a hastily arranged stunt?

    Are there any facts you can point to suggesting that you hasty criticism from yesterday is accurate, or was it just “too good to check”?

    I’m not going to argue this at length with you. I’m going to say this once, and then unless you make a new point that I have not addressed in the past, I am done. I have already said everything that needs to be said. Regardless of when it was planned, Pence knew good and well when he got on the plane to go, and when he went into the stadium, that the 49ers were going to take a knee. Someone from the 49ers, according to Sports Illustrated, had done this for 26 games in a row:

    There was absolutely no chance that this game would go off with 45 Colts standing on their side of the field and 45 members of the Niners standing on their side of the field. For at least the previous 26 games that the 49ers played, first with Colin Kaepernick sitting and then kneeling, and this year with safety Eric Reid leading players in some form of demonstration, the team did something during the anthem. Last week in Arizona, about 30 players kneeled.

    If Pence truly wanted to honor Peyton Manning, he would have not pulled his little stunt and overshadowed that. I guess Peyton Manning just isn’t as patriotic as Pence. If he had truly cared about THE FLAG and OUR COUNTRY then Peyton Manning would have boycotted his own ceremony.

    I don’t know what to tell you other than the press was told to stay in the parking lot because Pence would not be there long. If that doesn’t close the case for you, then let’s just agree to disagree and not discuss it further.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  40. Has someone told Mike K that I have muted him?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  41. Someone inform our so-called President that he can use the “Bully Pulpit,” but not the “Bully Football Stadium.”

    Tillman (a95660)

  42. Stekter is like a cartoon character.

    Yes honey badger doesnt take things lying and he has been able to get some marginal cobcrssions out of china. Push some changes in Cuba through the web strewn bureaucracy even make signufucant progress against Islamic state in syria

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. Is there a greasemonkey version of this script?

    Whatcha mean? The version I have linked on the sidebar works like a charm.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  44. You’re UnAmerican if you hate football.
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/9/2017 @ 5:50 pm

    I’ve heard it said that the opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.

    Football-meh.

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)

  45. Who said, its as nebulous as the updates from Las Vegas,

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. Happy Indigent People’s day, Mr Ben Burn.

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)

  47. “Stand in the place where you work.”

    Michael Stipes

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)

  48. A Greasemonkey (aka Tampermonkey) script applies itself whenever the page is loaded.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  49. On his RIH day.

    urbanleftbehind (f9614e)

  50. Bully Pulpit

    Did you know the term has nothing to do with bullying? To Teddy “bully” was slang for “outstanding” so a “bully pulpit” is a damn fine pulpit.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  51. A Greasemonkey (aka Tampermonkey) script applies itself whenever the page is loaded.

    Oh. Yes, that would absolutely be much better.

    Never seen one.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  52. Electing Trump was a disaster. It was less of a disaster than electing Hillary. I really don’t see much going forward except a war between now and 2020.
    Kevin M (752a26) — 10/9/2017 @ 6:45 pm

    A war?

    The Afghanistan War had a quinceañera, got it’s Drivers License and it’s almost old enough to enlist.

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)

  53. Remember that kerfluffle with the widow of a Guatemalan guerilla, he too wanted to be
    like che, the army obliged him the widow complained to Torricelli, and as a result most of our assets were purged, all because he needed to impress bianca jigger.

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. “Has someone told Mike K that I have muted him?”

    They tried but the good doctor is old school… he’s of a time when men were men and glad of it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. @30 narciso

    Well, if Trump invades Mexico we will be right on schedule.

    Did you ever see the movie One Man’s Hero with Tom Beringer.

    I guess it took place during a very narrow time where White Privilege didn’t rule America.

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)


  56. 50.Happy Indigent People’s day, Mr Ben Burn.
    Pinandpuller (49b00c) — 10/9/2017 @ 7:33 pm

    Did you mean indignant, Pinandpuller?

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  57. I guess he means a real infantry clash against matched land forces like Korea, this is more like the phillipine war.

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. 45 Colts

    Trigger Warning

    Sweet Billy D

    Bull on the Field

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)

  59. A war?

    The Korean War sequel.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  60. Never seen one.

    Odd, because I remember using one here a decade ago.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  61. 14. kishnevi (9a5a41) — 10/9/2017 @ 6:11 pm

    Speaking of culture wars, when did Cristobal Colon Day get unlinked from October 12?

    1971, through a law passed in 1968 and signed by President Johnson.

    The Uniform Monday Holiday Act (Public Law 90–363) also moved Memorial Day to the last Monday in May instead of May 30; George Washington’s birthay to the 3rd Monday in February, so that it could never come out on his actual birthday, February 22 (according to the Gregorian calendar – he was actually born on Feb 11, 1731-2 – all dates before March 22 had two years in the British Empire at that time) and Veterans Day to the last Monday in October. That last one did not go over very well and Veterans Day (called Armistice Day until 1955) was moved back to November 11 after a few years (effective as of 1978)

    There never was a federal Lincoln’s birthday (Feb 12) and because now George Washington’s birthday could never come out on February 22, it looked like a merger maybe and some states renamed and moved it or established a holiday called President’s Day, and then later they maybe even stopped limiting it to on;y Washington and Lincoln and it got informally renamed President’s Day, and it is rarely called Wahington’s birthday except for legal reasons.

    When Martin Luther King’s birthday (or Martin Luther King Day) became a federal hokiday in 1986, due to a law passed in 1983 ad signed by President Reagan, it too was made to fall only on a Monday – the third Monday in January – but unlike Washingtoon’s birthday it can fall out on his real birthday, January 15.

    Some other holidays, like New Year’s Day and July 4, as well as Veterans Day, can fall out on any day of the week, but are (also) observed on a Monday if they fall out on a Sunday, and maybe a Saturday as well. They are celebrated by not delivering mail and not making it a business day for banks, althouh some banks are open, but it’s like a branch being open on a Sunday.

    Columbus Day, and this I didn’t know but had to read this just now in Wikipedia, coincides with Thanksgiving in Canada, where it has been observed on the second Monday in October since 1957 (it anderd around before that, and was first observed on November 6, 1879, but had settled mostly on the third Monday in October after World War I, when November 6 was too close to Armistice Day.)

    In the United States, of course, Thanksgiving is the 4th Thursday (not the last Thursday, not since the time of FDR) in November.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  62. Sometimes a pulpit is just a pulpit.

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)

  63. One time, on Youtube, I saw a guerilla who knew sign language.

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)

  64. Did you mean indignant, Pinandpuller?
    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7) — 10/9/2017 @ 7:55 pm

    No, but I like where you’re headed. West, right?

    Pinandpuller (49b00c)

  65. 66, funny you should say that, http://youtu.be/GSiJiDSmb1E

    urbanleftbehind (f9614e)

  66. 25. Kevin M (752a26) — 10/9/2017 @ 6:45 pm

    I really don’t see much going forward except a war between now and 2020.

    2020?

    How about by the end of next week?

    Donald Trump said last Thursday we could be in the calm before the storm. Now how long do you think the “calm before the storm” can last?

    Except that it probably won’t be a whole Korean War.

    I think the plans call for completely disabling North Korean command and control, so the whole thing will be over within hours, if all goes as planned, and it may, and in any case, there won’t be any troop movements.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  67. While Republicans are distracted by things such as the anthem protests, Democrats are out there getting things done:

    California To Have Harsher Penalty For Pronoun Violations Than For Knowingly Spreading HIV”

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/09/california-to-have-harsher-penalty-for-pronoun-violations-than-for-knowingly-spreading-hiv/?utm_source=site-share

    harkin (aacf41)

  68. I guess they nomlonger think its a death sentence, or they are just nuts. But we are the ones fixated with cultural conflict.

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. Wait San Juan is in the north:
    dailycaller.com/2017/10/09/u-s-prosecutor-to-investigate-puerto-rican-officials-accused-of-preventing-aid-from-reaching-people/?utm_source=site-share

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. The Number One Priority Of The Gay Agenda, for the past four decades, has been to make AIDS everybody’s problem. Not only of homosexuals, prostitutes, drug addicts and (formerly) hemophiliacs. It is the only way they can be secure that their antiretrovirals and research for a vaccine will continue. And the way to do it is to put everybody in risk of getting of AIDS. Under Obama, they had almost gotten the FDA to compel blood banks to accept blood from homosexuals. That would have brought us back to 1981.

    Yes, Trump is better than Hillary. And Jerry Brown.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. Odd, because I remember using one here a decade ago.

    Maybe I have seen one but didn’t know what it was.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  72. I just searched comments and found people talking about how the greasemonkey script had been broken by a comment upgrade. Milhouse was going to try to fix it last year, but Milhouse disappeared.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  73. I think that was Milhouse’s but it stopped working because Word Press changed something?

    nk (dbc370)

  74. Heh! A script that refreshes the page as I type my comment is what I need.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. There’s lots wrong with the timeline from the Reason article, and the conclusions drawn by the author which your are relying on.

    Principally, the Reason author stongly suggests that Pence picked this game because he knew the 49ers were the opponent, the 49ers were Kapernick’s team when he started all this drama last year, and that because it was the 49ers Pence knew he would be able to pull off the cheap political stunt.

    All of that ignores the fact that the retirement of Peyton’s number was planned before the season started, Pence’s trip was planned with respect to that ceremony, and the fact that the 49ers where the opponent was merely a coincidence — unless of course you think the Colts called Pence and said “Hey, lets do this — lets have Peyton’s ceremony on the day of the 49er game so you can be here and when the 49ers take a knee, you can score political points with your base by walking out.”

    I follow the NFL probably a lot more closely than you, I lived in Calif for 40 years so the teams I took the most notice of were the 49ers and Raiders, and I had no idea that Eric Reid had made it his personal mission to carry on for Kapernick who was his friend.

    Eric Reid is hardly a household name. The article you cite to about this all being “well known” with regard to Reid is from the San Jose Mercury News in August. Is it your suggestion that Pence devours every sports section of every paper in order to keep up on these things??

    Did Pence suspect that the players would continue with their protests? I’m sure he did. Does that mean he should alter his previous plans to attend the game to honor Peyton?

    Why should it?

    Why does Pence have less of a right to protest the conduct of the players than the players have to protest whatever it is they are protesting now?

    Given that it was a substantial possibility that Pence would not stay, why go through the hassle of getting a traveling press corps off the bus and into the stadium — where do they go anyway when the pol is in a VIP luxury suite??? — when they don’t have tickets or press passes?

    And other than your claim that it was all a stunt, your primary gripe in your original post was the expense incurred by Pence flying from Las Vegas to Indianapolis, and then back to LA — all in pursuit of a stunt.

    Well the FACTS are that the schedule had long been for Pence to fly from DC to Indianapolis and then to LA. It was the trip to Las Vegas that was the late addition that altered the itinerary — not a stunt to Indianapolis that was shoved in for political purposes.

    So in that regard, your complaint about the expense is contrary to the facts.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  76. Heh! A script that refreshes the page as I type my comment is what I need.

    narciso too. What I need is editing.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  77. The San Jose mercury news that palmed off that toxic Gary web story, that gave Maxine waters her second wind. I guess in California where the central valley is outvoted by San Angeles craziness, one can feel some measure of despair.

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. I suppose I’m not seeing how Republicans who fail to repeal Obamacare, and fail to get on the side of the electorate in a no-brainer issue, can possibly stay around long enough to enact any sort of a conservative agenda–provided any Republicans actually have one.

    Frederick (63491b)

  79. wha?

    the conservative agenda’s been fulfilled

    McConnell’s pig wife got her cabinet job

    Life. Is. Good.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. sleazy nevertrump wants you to believe President Trump is a failure because he’s got to contend with these filthy disgusting coward-ass war hero senators what are still ready for hillary (bounce bounce bounce)

    but President Food Stamp had a very very very poor record of enacting legislation

    even his signature bill (obamacare), he had to enact most of it illegally or with the help of corrupt harvardtrash like John Roberts

    the McConnell/Ryan Congress is corrupt sleazy filthy and dysfunctional no matter who’s president

    this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. Are you telling us that what Trump is doing in essence is providing cover for a do-nothing Congress, happyfeet? And do you think that was part of the deal Manafort made with the GOPe last summer in return for a smooth nomination?

    nk (dbc370)

  82. no sir

    Mr. Trump’s demolishing the food stamp agenda Mr. nk

    and he’s exposing the filthy lying war hero Republicans as the disposable trash they are:

    “It is the job of Congress, not the president, to make legal reforms to our immigration policies,” said Rep. Stevan Pearce, a Republican whose district covers the southern half of New Mexico.

    but if the dirty corrupt FBI can prove Manafort colluded with traitorous Republican congress-filth he should be punished

    but we have to see the proof (can’t trust the FBI)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  83. You are too trusting, I think. They’re all in cahoots, together, like a pickpocket team. One guy grabs your attention, another lifts your wallet and passes it to the third guy, who walks away with it and, in turn, slips it to a fourth person who takes out the cash and ditches it along with the IDs, so that it’s almost impossible to catch any of them or prove anything if you do.

    nk (dbc370)

  84. Pearce is supposed tie be an immigration hardliner,did saul goodman intern for him?

    narciso (d1f714)

  85. President Trump’s many things but “in cahoots” isn’t one of them that’s for sure

    and he will lay him down

    like a bridge over troubled water

    that’s our President Trump!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  86. happyfeet, the essence of Government is not in the Rights of Man, or the Declaration of Independence, or The Preamble, or The Communist Manifesto, or The Little Red Book. It’s in Line 78 of your IRS 1040: “Amount you owe.”

    nk (dbc370)

  87. More Red on Red:
    http://www.yahoo.com/sports/dana-white-blasts-jason-aldean-not-performing-ufc-216-stay-las-vegas-232919324.html

    Pearce is holding out for the first section of wall just to stick it to AZ.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  88. it’s the Illinois one what worries me this year

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  89. Since I got on the subject on money … has anybody else noticed that another Chicago boy, University of Chicago of course, got the Nobel in Economics. His theories sound like some interesting light reading (for a serious discussion of economics I listen to my Greek restaurant owner clients).

    nk (dbc370)

  90. Whaler is dark magic of the. Case sunstein kind.

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. He would be the house economist in a Management Democrat (Emanuel, Bloomberg) administration.

    Nk, you are on the button, I once met a Greek man who both operated several diners in the Loop and was one of the initial public investors in Starbucks, he would actually make the coffee in the diner as “Sudden Impact“, or conversely, as bland as possible and encourage you to go to the Starbuck snext door (he even told my coworker, between 2 Greeks, I do better when you go next door for the coffee).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  92. I don’t want judge him by the news articles. It’s guaranteed that they have it wrong.

    nk (dbc370)

  93. #93, that would be a great rebuttal in a debate where a more ideologically pure candidate answers a question by rambling on about either the Founders (looking at you, TC) or said something appropriating Marx (a Bernie bro).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  94. He is tied into this bunch:
    https://behavioralpolicy.princeton.edu/

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. The chronology of the Las Vegas shooting has been significantly revised. The security guard was fired on and hit 6 minutes before the shooting started. I guess he looked dead to Stephen Paddock, and he must not have bene able to alert anyone. It hadn’t been clear before exactly what happened woth the security guard. Maybe PAddock stopped shooting because he noticed many police gatering on the 31st floor.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  96. It took ONE WEEK to correct this neww. That was the second correction. The first moved the time of the shooting from 10:24 to 10:17 (later apparently moved to 10:18) Now it’s 9:59.

    The beginning was pushed back alrady last week from 10:08 (which was clearly anyway not the begining) to 10:05 with the last shots fired at 10:15. By 10:19 they had begun to notice that no shots had been fired recently, and none ever were again.

    The smoke alrm from the firing disappeared as being what alerted the security guard from the news after the first day. Later we heard that when they enetred the room at 11:20 theyre was a firealarm blasting inside. Anyway what alerted the security guard was a door alrm in a room Paddock wasn’t in.

    Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police said yesterday taht the adjustments were only minor changes.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  97. He also checked in, three days earlier than previously stated.

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. 105, the key will be at what time after being wounded the guard notified the police or supervisory security staff/hotel. One wonders if the guard was “the helper or part of the help” who caught a bullet but luckily did not suffer a fusilade.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  99. But first, two Dashiell Hammett novelas, that I did not even know existed, sequels to “The Thin Man”. Did you know that Nick Charles was Greek, having changed his name from Charalambides?

    Philip Kerr stole his wife Nora (Kerr calls her “Noreen”), for one of his Bernie Gunther books, BTW, narciso. Number 6, “If The Dead Rise Not”.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. Ah yes I though she looked familiar.

    They did a number of sequels to the tin men. You sure its none of those.

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. They are, but Hammett wrote them as short novels first, and then Hollywood did what it did with them. I haven’t started them yet, so I don’t know if he keeps his original characters or uses the William Powell/Myrna Loy versions. Anyway, like whiskey and women, the worst Hammett is still wonderful.

    nk (dbc370)

  102. Well, that took all of three minutes. They’re not short novels or “novellas”, they’re “screen treatments”. Setting and dialogue only, no signature Hammett narrative. Lying publisher’s blurb writers.

    nk (dbc370)

  103. The do-nothing Republican Congress is a disgrace. I’m no fan of much of what Trump says, but the GOP blocking action on important issues, or colluding with Democrats to negate the 2016 election is disgraceful. And the culture war, which the Left is winning, is important. As an example, we went from politicians supporting the Defense of Marriage Act to support of gay marriage in less than 10 years. Politics often follows the culture, and the Republicans are behind, preferring to fight Trump at every step of the way.

    ROCHF (877dba)

  104. 106. narciso (d1f714) — 10/10/2017 @ 7:38 am

    He also checked in, three days earlier than previously stated.

    Previously stated was 3 days before the massacre, that is September 28. You mean Monday, September 25? (I see now that Sept 25 is the date he first parked his car there, but he didn’t check into the hotel room until Sept. 28)

    He had reserved a room in Chicago for August 1, which was five days before the end of the Lollapalooza music festival on Sunday, August 6. he also had booked a second room in the Blackstone Hotel for August 3rd. They were saying he never showed up – at any rate he didn’t shoot anyone.

    He also had used AirBnb to get some rooms at the Ogden condominium at the same time as the “Life is Beautiful” music festival, a week before, but weren’t to his satisfaction. Actually we don’t know more about that story. Did he rent them? Did he occupy them? DId they overlook the festival?

    That’s one of the things that leaked – there’s not all that much official information..

    107. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/10/2017 @ 7:42 am

    105, the key will be at what time after being wounded the guard notified the police or supervisory security staff/hotel.

    What occured to me, what makes the most sense, was that he wasn’t able to. Otherwise you have teh question: Why didn’t anyone call 911? Or why didn’t police respond? Why weren’t they going there at least? There were 6 minutes from the new time of the shooting inside the hotel of 9:59 till he began firing in the street, and three more minutes till the first 911 call

    Except they also say he helped people. We’ll get that straightened out, too.

    If the police found him later, once they were already there because of the shooting, that could account for the wrong time. It was first reported he was wounded at 10:24, and later taht was corrected to 10:17 and now they are saying the old story had it at 10:18.

    One wonders if the guard was “the helper or part of the help” who caught a bullet but luckily did not suffer a fusilade.

    Where is “the helper or part of the help” mentioned?

    They say an alarm went off at theddoor to another room on the same floor (one that PAddock had not rented) The first day story, which disappeared, was that he went to check out what was going on when asmaoke detector went off and that it went off because of the firing. It turns an alarm did indeed go off in his room – it was active when the police burst in at 11:20. But now it is that
    it wasn’t that kind of a fire alarm that alerted him but a door alarm – an emergency fire exit door to stairs. Any guest can open it, but it sets off an alarm.

    Also he was drilling. Conservative Tree House says to install a plate to prevenr the fire door from being opened from inside. Except maybe that’s not where the drilling was coming from. Law enforcement said the drilling was inside the suite, and maybe to fix a camera (?) in place. I think he had otehr reasons for tripods.

    And the security guard Campos noticed the door ajar. I think he never got close to the door to the room – otherwise he would have been killed – unless maybe he was protected by something.

    He got a fusillade. Police said (they may be wrong here) that 200 bullets were fired at him. That may be wrong. Maybe that’s an estimate of the total number eventually fired into the hotel corridor. 200 bullets at the rate of 9 bullets a second is 22 seconds.

    I could see it this way: It could be Mr. Campos was just too far away to be hit, or off to the side, when Stephen Paddock fired at him.

    Maybe it just had the effect of pinning him down. Maybe that was the idea. Could be maybe he was sheltered somewhere, but Paddock had an eye on the camera and could see if he moved and any time he moved to go out he fired through the door. And when Campos was hit, it was by shrapnel, and not too serious.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  105. If you agree, as I do, that in Breitbart’s memorable phrase, “politics is downstream from culture”, then the so called “culture wars” can be seen to be a vital part of the conservative movement.
    Spending tax money on symbolic, staged (apparently) culture battles, as is surely the case here, is a valid use of tax money and good strategy.
    The President and his cabinet are not mere technicians. They must rally the morale of the people on occasion, as did FDR during his fireside chats. The last president who ignored symbolism in favor of policy was Herbert Hoover, who though he was a brilliant man, had no clue how to speak to the nation.
    If you believe, as I do, that the nation is currently locked in an existential struggle to preserve its traditional values then this is a small and eminently justifiable battle in the larger conflict.

    orcadrvr (04098e)

  106. “that the nation is currently locked in an existential struggle to preserve its traditional values then this is a small and eminently justifiable battle in the larger conflict.”

    The question over proper ‘values is the issue and Native Americans posited the nativist notions more persuasively than the poseurs who claim their white privilege should be eternal without debate. I say FTS…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  107. white privilege should be eternal without debate.

    … actually, from what I be seeing, it has been earned through a lot of sacrifice yet they are frittering it away to fill the unfillable bucket demands from complainers who don’t really get much accomplished but sure complain lots. As Ali said “thank god my granddaddy got on that boat.” Or as an Indian who got off the reservation can attest … “it is really nice out here instead of over there.”

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  108. Money, get away.
    Get a good job with good pay and you’re okay.
    Money, it’s a gas.
    Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
    New car, caviar, four star daydream,
    Think I’ll buy me a football team.

    Money, get back.
    I’m all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.
    Money, it’s a hit.
    Don’t give me that do goody good bullshit.
    I’m in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
    And I think I need a Lear jet.

    nk (dbc370)

  109. Money, get away.
    Get a good job with good pay and you’re okay.
    Money, it’s a gas.
    Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
    New car, caviar, four star daydream,
    Think I’ll buy me a football team.

    Money, get back.
    I’m all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.
    Money, it’s a hit.
    Don’t give me that do goody good bullsh!t.
    I’m in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
    And I think I need a Lear jet.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. Anyone hear about the Professor who wrote a paper showing 3rd World Countries who accepted Colonialist structures and culture did better than the Ones who did not?

    Could not believe his bravery in stating the obvious.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  111. @116
    Who are the “poseurs who claim their white privilege should be eternal without debate”?
    I don’t believe I have ever met one, nor heard of one who has any sort of national prominence. I have never heard anyone express that point of view?

    What are you talking about?

    orcadrvr (04098e)

  112. From Roger Goodell’s letter to NFL owners, as leaked:

    I’m very proud of our players and owners who have done the hard work over the past year to listen, understand and attempt to address the underlying issues within their communities. At our September committee meetings, we heard directly from several players about why these issues are so important to them and how we can support their work. And last week, we met with the leadership of the NFLPA and more players to advance the dialogue [and explain to them how damn much this dispute has already reduced revenue-sharing for this year, including shares payable to players].

    ….

    Building on many discussions with clubs and players [meaning: We have already gotten the NFLPA’s buy-in on this and they ain’t gonna strike or grieve], we have worked to develop a plan that we will review with you at next week’s League meeting [and at which your rubber-stamp will be required]. This would include such elements as an in-season platform to promote the work of our players on these core issues, and that will help to promote positive change in our country. We want to ensure that any work at the League level is consistent with the work that each club is doing in its own community, and that we dedicate a platform that can enable these initiatives to succeed. Additionally, we will continue the unprecedented dialogue with our players.

    But regular Patterico readers read it here first on September 24th — although my scenario envisioned Trump actually participating in the denouement:

    They [Trump, the owners, and the NFLPA] will meet to discuss the creation of similar, but even better League and NFLPA-coordinated platforms for player political and cultural expression, with branded merchandise available online and fantasy football cross-over applications for both iPhone and Android. The program will include this spring’s First-Ever Second-Team All-Stars Game, which will be devoted entirely to passing offense, special teams, and politics, televised by MSNBC and featuring Rachel Maddow for the play-by-play, with Keith Olbermann as the Waterboy. After every change of possession (other than after a score), each team has to vote one player off the island — after which such players will be fired from NFL football, but offered guest appearances on Celebrity Cheerleader Bachelorettes, featuring Jerry Jones and the incomparable Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders©™®.

    I want a 10% royalty, please.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  113. One can assume the sword of damocles, over these negotiations but that’s about all, its surprising they let it go to zero barrier boundary

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. They say it was a door to a room alarm, not a fire door alarm as Conservative Tree House had it. Also he was able to alert hotel security (although apparently not able to leave the 32nd floor) and prevented somebody else from going there.

    The hotel in trying to figure put if anybody called police, and when.

    They make a point of noting that they are not aying the current chronology is right.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)


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