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9/30/2017

Media Indifferent As Steven Crowder Infiltrates Antifa At Ben Shapiro Speech

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 3:30 pm

This is a fascinating video. It shows Steven Crowder and a colleague infiltrating Antifa before a Ben Shapiro speech, discussing weapons that they have (including some serious firearms) — and the curious indifference of media on the scene. Worth watching:

The always excellent John Sexton sums up the clip in this paragraph:

As you’ll see in this clip, Crowder’s producer Jared put on a disguise and met with members of Antifa who installed an app on his phone to allow them to communicate. The protest plan, according to the organizer, was “plain clothes and hard tactics.” That meant not dressing in black or wearing masks, which had been banned by police, but preparing for violence. At a subsequent meeting, one member of the group discusses the guns he has in his trunk. Another member hands Jared an ice pick. Jared immediately makes an excuse and takes the footage of local police who have already been monitoring the situation. Crowder ends the clip by focusing on the media.

Also astounding is watching lunatics like Lex Scott, a Black Lives Matter organizer, saying stuff like this: “People like Ben Shapiro are the most dangerous people on this Earth.”

Ben Shapiro is actually a fairly standard conservative with many sensible positions, most of which I share. It’s eye-opening to know that, even though I care about the poor and despise Donald Trump — but just happen to think that small government is the better way to solve our problems — there are people who see me as the highest form of evil, and would happily beat me senseless simply for holding the political positions I hold.

This movement illustrates the danger of applauding the whole “punching Nazis” thing. Yesterday they call Richard Spencer a Nazi and punch him. Today they call Ben Shapiro a Nazi and plan violence at his speeches.

Tomorrow, you’ll be the Nazi. And if you have applauded punching Nazis in the past . . . what principle will you invoke in your own defense? “I’m not really a Nazi”? If it didn’t work for Shapiro, it won’t work for you.

No, the only solution is to rule out violence against people for their political beliefs. Even if you really, really don’t like them.

Finally, let’s talk about the media ignoring this. Sexton says:

Media outlets are probably worried about getting scammed. They don’t know Crowder and the fact that he’s a YouTube host/comedian probably doesn’t inspire confidence.

But Sexton doesn’t let the national media off the hook. They have the resources to investigate something like this, he says. They just don’t care.

Sexton is right. Sure, any video that doesn’t give you the full context of remarks made on the video is subject to the criticism that it is heavily edited and all that. But it would take some pretty amazing context to render innocent the discussion of weapons and violence we see here.

Substitute “Nazis” for “Antifa” and Big Media would have been all over this.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

39 Responses to “Media Indifferent As Steven Crowder Infiltrates Antifa At Ben Shapiro Speech”

  1. It’s eye-opening to know that, even though I care about the poor and despise Donald Trump — but just happen to think that small government is the better way to solve our problems — there are people who see me as the highest form of evil, and would happily beat me senseless simply for holding the political positions I hold.

    Patterico, I love ya but your eyes are not open if you believe either “the poor” or Donald Trump have anything to do with this. First of all the poor are always there whether Obama is president or Bush or Trump. The Democrats breed them as voters. That’s what ghettos and now barrios are for. The breeding and rearing of future Democrat voters. Practically zero Republicans come from ghettos.

    Second, Donald Trump is an excuse, not a reason. These people have been trained since government pre-school through propaganda university to hate America and by extension white people. Or vice versa.

    Nothing will be accomplished in America until patriots of good heart realize the hateful and horrible fact that an entire demographic of black Americans have been systematically infused with racist white hate and oinkophobic loathing for America.

    If you don’t agree then explain how black millionaire football players “take a knee” to disrespect America when it is the only place in the world and in history where they could be successful at what they do and yet say there is “systemic racism” in America. Well, they’re part right. There is systemic racism but it is anti white and it’s projected in schools, movies and by the Democrat party and protected by the media and celebrities.

    My own grandson will no longer speak to my wife and me nor his other grandparents because we’re white. I’ve been informed he quit school, went home and got his things and went to hook up with “friends” in New York. My son still hasn’t heard from him. His parents are going crazy with fear. All this crap came from what was going on at college. And neither the poor nor Donald Trump had anything to do with it. The professors and poison influence of academia did.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  2. The narrative is that let-wing protesters are peaceful normal citizens and that is that, that is what the media will show.

    I used to believe it until at Berkeley I saw the flyers and recruiters offering jobs protesting.

    Frederick (a81afc)

  3. Patterico, I love ya but your eyes are not open if you believe either “the poor” or Donald Trump have anything to do with this.

    I thought I was saying they didn’t — because even though Shapiro and I hate Trump, we are still targets from the radical left for violence. (Obviously Shapiro to a greater extent, but I have been SWATted and had my family’s life threatened, so I have not been entirely immune).

    How did you take a post that said “someone who hates Trump is nevertheless a target” and read that to mean “they hate us because of Trump? It’s the opposite of what I said.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  4. My own grandson will no longer speak to my wife and me nor his other grandparents because we’re white. I’ve been informed he quit school, went home and got his things and went to hook up with “friends” in New York. My son still hasn’t heard from him. His parents are going crazy with fear. All this crap came from what was going on at college. And neither the poor nor Donald Trump had anything to do with it. The professors and poison influence of academia did.

    That is horrible! May I ask where he went to school? My own daughter is applying now and I would like her to avoid a place that could do that to someone. (Of course these days it could be just about anywhere.)

    Patterico (115b1f)

  5. The occupy are much like their predecessors the sods, their cousins across the ocean,
    the brigatte, the baader, many were trained in the east bloc, there is safely new in
    this. Berkeley and now charlottesville are points of escalation

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. Journalists don’t think for themselves Patterico. Many used to think on their feet, but these days producers talk into the ear making thought redundant. See the talking-heads read the teleprompter. You don’t ask a court-reporter to summarize a case unless they read the transcript. They have no idea what transpired during the trial. Not making excuses for the Media. It is what it is.

    Ben burn (266dcf)

  7. Let’s hope and pray your grandson comes to his senses, Hoagie. I’ve been surprised to see a few of my own nieces and nephews who were raised behind the Orange Curtain, Orange County, Ca., – and who should know better – start in with the hard left talking points. My wife and I and other family members have tried to counsel them and talk things through, but in a couple of instances, I’ve left them with a shrug, a “some of us choose to learn life’s lessons the hard way” and a hug.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. @6. Many used to think on their feet, but these days producers talk into the ear making thought redundant.

    There’s more truth to that than you may realize, Ben. And many of those ‘news producers’ are 30 or under w/equally young careers and short memories. The cablers are a revolving door business these days behind the cameras and the studio teleprompter readers pretty much that, and that alone. Always enjoy watching them fumble for the script and vamp when the prompter hiccups.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. I had a discussion about the Hollywood Blacklist some time back with folks who thought it was terrible fascism. I suggested that their opinion would be different if Trumbo et al had been Hitler’s agents rather than Stalin’s. “Well, maybe…”

    The secret to this difference, of course, is that quite a few on the left, or in the media(birm), view antifa as the good guys, or perhaps wrongly-directed good guys. None of them wants to help us fascists get the goods on The Resistance, or be perceived that way.

    There really is going to be a crack up and it is going to end badly.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  10. I too am sorry Hoagie. Kids can be cruel.

    Ben burn (266dcf)

  11. DC:

    I can’t overemphasize Idiocracy and all the trappings of media as symptoms in society as a whole.

    Ben burn (266dcf)

  12. symptomatic of society as a whole.

    Ben burn (266dcf)

  13. And in south America you had the montoneros, the tupamaros, the mir, all mostly composed of students and or labor activists

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. My own grandson will no longer speak to my wife and me nor his other grandparents because we’re white.

    I take it he’s white, too. Why does he feel he’s the exception? Oh. Because you and the other grandparents and his parents aren’t behaving like crazy people?

    I think it’s deeper than university, though. I think it’s a case of “our little secret” that’s been going on since junior high. The education lobby (aka school administrators) has a decided cause (electing more Democrats) and teachers that do not teach the party line find themselves with poor job options. Much like journalists actually.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  15. complicent and they suck at their job

    mg (31009b)

  16. but in a couple of instances, I’ve left them with a shrug, a “some of us choose to learn life’s lessons the hard way” and a hug.

    Yes. Based primarily on what I remember putting my parents through, I’ve come to the conclusion that nobody is too young to be responsible for his own fate.

    Sorry to hear that the situation got worse, though, since the last time you posted about it, Hoagie.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. Kevin, Hoagie has a black foster/adopted son whom he raised, and now is adult, married, and has a son of his own. That’s the grandson who has gone over the bend.

    kishnevi (ec71b1)

  18. The fact that scalices killer, the j 20 riot trial and all other evidence of left anarchist direct action has dissapeared from the front pages

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. Dear Hoagie:

    1. I am so very sorry to hear this about your grandson. You mentioned it before, and I had hoped it had blown over. At least your son understands the value you brought to his life. I pray (and I mean this sincerely) that your grandson grows up enough to see the error of his ways.

    2. I am a tenured university professor, so I can comment on the academic environment. I teach in the sciences, which is only a little infected by tribalism (and that’s what it is). I’m glad you brought up “oikophobia” (fear/hate of the familiar). It’s a problem. Most of my students are fine young women and men who are kind and good—all the while spouting silly political nonsense. They sincerely do not know anything about American or world history, let alone philosophy. They also want to be liked and accepted, and our Media Industrial Complex controls our culture.

    So: not all university professors are nasty and weird. Some of them are indeed Marxists in 300 hundred dollars shoes with SUVs. But most work very hard teaching the things that matter to them. Outside the sciences, that can get weird. But that is the reflection of our culture.

    Patterico, I am always happy to chat with you about colleges. My oldest is doing the same.

    Again, Hoagie, I am sorry. Family is so important.

    Simon Jester (d856de)

  20. Yes not all the faculty at Cornell Columbia and Yale were with the radicals either in the 60s, but did they affirmatively object. Meanwhile vice news happened to conveniently sit in on cantwell and kasslers little coffee clutch. Almost as if there was a preexusting agenda.

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. Not everyone was willing to sit on stools wearing dunce caps and placards denouncing them as running dog lackeys either. Or maybe I’m confusing another cultural revolution.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  22. “…I care about the poor and despise Donald Trump…”

    You think that will save you when Antifa brings out the baseball bats and bike locks?
    “No no, don’t hurt me, I hate Trump too!!”

    That didn’t work for the 2nd rank of Lenin’s & Stalin’s henchmen. Or Saddam Hussein’s. It won’t work for you, either.

    “If only Stalin knew!”

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  23. They don’t care this blog is already inaccessible in many got offices down here and in south Florida.

    narciso (d1f714)

  24. “…I care about the poor and despise Donald Trump…”

    You think that will save you when Antifa brings out the baseball bats and bike locks?

    No. If you knew how to read, you’d see that’s exactly the point I made.

    To the block list with you. I never got a single thing but insults and stupidity from you anyway.

    You’re not banned. I just won’t see your comments any more.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  25. Most of my students are fine young women and men who are kind and good—all the while spouting silly political nonsense. They sincerely do not know anything about American or world history, let alone philosophy.

    This is true. You should see the blank stares of terror when I actually confront young people with a few facts. Such as Islam doesn’t mean peace, that it isn’t a religion of peace, and that Muslims invaded Spain and France over three hundred years before the first crusade.

    They have been indoctrinated to believe that all the Islamic rage against the West stems from the crusades and it’s all our fault.

    Their heads just about explode when I start citing India’s history with the Muslim invaders.

    All they can do is stammer “Islamophobe” and “racist.” This is especially amusing as both Arabs and Indians are caucasian. What makes it even more hilarious is that the Muslim sources go to great length to explain just how white Muhammad was. Like Thomas Jefferson Muhammad had black slaves (and white) and would have sex with his female slaves but apparently that is only weird and disgusting if you’re one of the founders of this country. Muhammad once pointed to a black man and said if his companions wanted to know what Satan looked like, he looked like that black guy. And his companions later said after he died that Muhammad was whiter than the filling in a Twinkie (OK they didn’t use that exact analogy but what comes next is exacting in its precision) and that anyone who said he was black must be put to death.

    If there were statues of Muhammad I doubt they’d be coming down anytime soon. But I’m the racist. And a Nazi. If you call someone a Nazi first it’s OK to hit them or stab them or shoot them. And we’re all Nazis now because what makes someone a Nazi is ironically not instantly obeying the Hitler youths’ orders. Either you are in deep compliance or you are a Nazi. These are your only two choices.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  26. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/1/2017 @ 1:02 am

    If there were statues of Muhammad I doubt they’d be coming down anytime soon.

    The Islamists certainly don’t want any new ones. They don’t want any depictions of Muhammed. Now this isn’t actually Islamic law.

    There is a statue of Muhammed on the United States Supreme Court building, and it’s not coming down any time soon, but not taking it down wold be defiance of radical islam.

    There was also astatue of Robert E. Lee in New York City. Governor Cuomo looked for any and lo and behond there was one – on government property.

    It was in the Hall of Fame for Great Americans, established by (the private) New York University in 1900 – the original Hall of fame. Robert E. Lee was elected to it as a charter member, along with Ulysses S. Grant and David Farragut. Thomas (“Stonewall”) Jackson was added in 1955, so there were 2 Union military officers and 2 Confederate officers there after that.

    The Hall of Fame was in the Bronx campus of New Yirk University. Crime increased in the Bronx, and New York University abandoned the campus and it became the site of Bronx Community College, in the 1970s, or before 1982 at any rate, and the statues went with the transfer. The Hall of Fame was neglected and forgotten about, with the statues even deteriorating.

    When he found out there were statues of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson there, New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo ordered them removed on a Wednesday and they gone by Friday afternoon.

    Sammy Finkelman (a784d8)


  27. And neither the poor nor Donald Trump had anything to do with it. The professors and poison influence of academia did.

    That is horrible! May I ask where he went to school? My own daughter is applying now and I would like her to avoid a place that could do that to someone. (Of course these days it could be just about anywhere.)
    Patterico (115b1f) — 9/30/2017 @ 5:07 pm

    I had originally typed “and poison influence of Penn State” but figured it wasn’t so much the school as the people in it. My (black) son and my daughter in law are both scared and heart broken. They are scared for Marcus’ safety and his future and heartbroken that he rejects his family. As for myself, I’m feel completely helpless to do anything. I have decided to hire a private detective to find the kid. Of course I can’t tell anyone this, not even June. I don’t think they’d approve. I contacted my business attorney who is introducing me to a PI this Tuesday. I’ll see how it goes.

    I’m asking those of you who are religious to pray for this lost sheep. I just don’t understand how such a highly intelligent and motivated young man can go so off the rails. It is perplexing. Everything is upside down. I’m supposed to be surrounded with family and having a relaxing retirement. Instead I’m hooked up to a breathing tube and wondering where my grandson is and if he’s even alive.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  28. I know its the UK, which may yet elect their own sanders,

    https://newrepublic.com/article/144891/radical-hopes-russian-revolution

    So much blood and pain is ignored.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. Practically zero Republicans come from ghettos.

    Well me and my entire family are exceptions.

    My own grandson will no longer speak to my wife and me nor his other grandparents because we’re white. I’ve been informed he quit school, went home and got his things and went to hook up with “friends” in New York. My son still hasn’t heard from him. His parents are going crazy with fear. All this crap came from what was going on at college. And neither the poor nor Donald Trump had anything to do with it. The professors and poison influence of academia did.

    Anyone with knowledge of the Left knows this as fact. Done in Cuba, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia and other places in recent history.

    This is why I find folks like Patterico and the other Elitist Republicans/Whatevers either useful fools for the Left. They do nothing combat the propaganda and attempts to poison Culture and Society. They sit in their loungers sneering at those willing to do the ugly things needed to fight back finding common cause with the vey people who would toss them in jails for their BS talk about laws and the such. Laws the Left ignores when it wishes.

    The Left is not taken seriously by the barca lounge NeverTrumpers. And while I find POTUS a boor, he is a fighter needed to combat the Cultural Left and call them for what they are. Immoral, disgusting and much worse — not sit around finding common cause with their effete critiques of a flawed POTUS who is DIRECTIONALLY 100% CORRECT IN EVERYTHING HE PONTIFICATES ABOUT.

    Sorry about you grandson (?), all I can say is cut him off $$$$$$ and let him sink or swim on his own. If he makes it, at least he is a man/women and his/her “self esteem” earned. So long as he/she can live off other people’s money they will never give up their Leftist beliefs. Had a grandfather who died believing in Communism while living off his kid’s support, home and affection along with Govt Assistance. The irony was lost on him that is was Capitalism and “The RIght” which provided, not his precious Proletariat. Damn fool.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  30. Practically zero Republicans come from ghettos.

    Well me and my entire family are exceptions.

    That’s why I prefaced the statement with “practically”, Poor Biggie. There is usually an exception to the rule and you and yours are just that. Good for you. But let’s face it, the ghetto is the breeding ground of choice for the racist leftists. Oh, and now that they’ve adopted Hispanics as the next best victim group we need to add the “Latin ghetto”: the barrio. Plus, I’m sure in certain parts of the country they are experiencing whatever the moslem word is for ghetto sprouting up all over.

    I disagree with you that Patterico is a useful idiot for the left. He runs a pretty open site here so what you perceive as collaboration is simply letting people post what they think. He does not cut off people just because they disagree but that in no way should be interpreted as concurrence.

    I get the “racist” card all the time because I believe the races are different in many ways. Plus, I get the leftists crazy because I also believe some races are better than other races at some things. Having an Asian wife and a black son I have just a tad of personal observation and experience in this area and it befuddles me when people with little intimate contact with other races tell me I’m wrong. Based on what? What their leftist professors, who themselves have little personal experience, tell them? And as soon as someone starts with “diversity” or “integration” I know I’m in for an argument. Leftists don’t believe people should be free to associate with whom they wish. Rather they should be forced to associate with those the left chooses. Except for themselves, of course, hence “the bubble”.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  31. The question is whether this is the tip of the iceberg or a singular event. It doesn’t sound isolated but that may be my bias talking.

    crazy (d99a88)

  32. Hoagie @1:

    Practically zero Republicans come from ghettos.

    Poor Biggie @29

    Well me and my entire family are exceptions

    I think that statement is derived from voter registration and election results and this would only apply if you and your family are still living in a “ghetto.”

    Sammy Finkelman (a784d8)

  33. @Patterico:My own daughter is applying now and I would like her to avoid a place that could do that to someone.

    Even the religious colleges* have SJW contingents. Your daughter will only have whatever you have instilled in her to keep her from it. The lure of conformity is very strong.

    *Link is to an article about a professor at the BYU Math Education department who advocates incorporating social justice into math classes.

    Frederick (a81afc)

  34. The Public relations campaign of Burma/Myanmar that claimed that the burning of villagees had stopped on Sept 5, they want to investigate it etc had kept the Rohungya genicide – which is as bad as what happened to the Armenians during World War I out of the news, but it seems to crept back now in the past few days:

    istic is derived fr

    Second, Donald Trump is an excuse, not a reason. These people have been trained since government pre-school through propaganda university to hate America and by extension white people. Or vice versa.

    Nothing will be accomplished in America until patriots of good heart realize the hateful and horrible fact that an entire demographic of black Americans have been systematically infused with racist white hate and oinkophobic loathing for America.

    If you don’t agree then explain how black millionaire football players “take a knee” to disrespect America when it is the only place in the world and in history where they could be successful at what they do and yet say there is “systemic racism” in America. Well, they’re part right. There is systemic racism but it is anti white and it’s projected in schools, movies and by the Democrat party and protected by the media and celebrities.

    My own grandson will no longer speak to my wife and me nor his other grandparents because we’re white. I’ve been informed he quit school, went home and got his things and went to hook up with “friends” in New York. My son still hasn’t heard from him. His parents are going crazy with fear. All this crap came from what was going on at college. And neither the poor nor Donald Trump had anything to do with it. The professors and poison influence of academia did.

    From the Sydney Morning Herald within the last hour:

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/torching-of-rohingya-villages-continues-in-myanmar-despite-denials-20170923-gyncga.html

    Bangkok: New evidence shows that Rohingya Muslim villages continue to be torched in Myanmar’s strife-torn Rakhine state, despite denials by the government of Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi.

    Eyewitnesses, photographs and multiple reports also show that Myanmar security forces continue to plant internationally-banned anti-personnel mines that are blowing up Rohingya people fleeing to Bangladesh.

    The government of Myanmar is making an effort to stop the flow of refugees, which seems to be the basis of international complaints.

    Sammy Finkelman (a784d8)

  35. Oops – I didn’t see that quoted text from “Rev. Hoagie” @1.

    When and if he does find out where his grandson is, the next diifficult step will be figuring out what to say or what to communicate to him (through a third party, of course).

    What he needs to find out is how deep he is involved in anything and what kind of ideology or false facts his grandson has been fed, and then, how important it is to try to steer him off the course he is in, and how to counter the arguments.

    Sammy Finkelman (a784d8)

  36. Sure, any video that doesn’t give you the full context of remarks made on the video is subject to the criticism that it is heavily edited and all that.

    boy does it indeed

    the video of Mayor Trigglypuff in the previous post is extremely heavily edited, and oh my goodness what they didn’t want you to see flips the whole story on its head see here and here (unedited version here)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. Its,nowhere near the whole story sammeh, https://www.andrewbostom.org

    The parallel is the Palestinians or the Sunni baathist in iraq

    narciso (11f07a)

  38. 33… when this sjw crap has embedded itself in BYU, the rot has gone deep. 😷

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. Again, Hoagie, I am so very sorry about your family heartache.

    Years ago, a friend of mine’s daughter (in college at the time) had a relationship with a much older man. It worried my friend and his wife; the guy was far too charismatic. So they got a PI.

    They discovered that the fellow was *nothing* like he had told their daughter. He had several children by other women, and a long, long criminal record. In fact, he had spent most of his adult life in prison.

    So the PI and my friend went to see the daughter. Showed her the evidence. Moved her out.

    She went, convinced by the evidence. But she never forgave her father and mother.

    Kids can be a joy, but they can be a heartbreak. The important thing to my friend was that his daughter was safe.

    Your son cares for you, and understands what you stand for. He shares your concernn over your grandson.

    Me and my family have you in our prayers.

    Simon Jester (d856de)


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