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Trump Sides with Democrats Over Republicans As Trumpers Cheer

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:47 pm

It’s time for all good Trump cultists to exercise your smiling muscles. Get ready to justify, rationalize, and applaud:

President Donald Trump sided with Democrats on adding a three-month extension of the U.S. debt limit and government spending to a hurricane-relief bill over the arguments of fellow Republicans, who pressed for a longer debt extension.

. . . .

Trump, after meeting with congressional leaders Wednesday at the White House, told reporters on Air Force One that the deal with Democrats would be “very good.”

“We agreed to a three-month extension on debt ceiling, which they consider to be sacred — very important — always we’ll agree on debt ceiling automatically because of the importance of it,” the president said.

Republicans used to negotiate for some small measure of fiscal responsibility (remember “sequestration”?) in return for raising the debt ceiling. None of that any more! Always announce that you will always give in, is the first tactic of any successful negotiator. Haven’t you read The Art of the Deal?

“The president agreed with Senator Schumer and Congresswoman Pelosi to do a three-month CR and debt ceiling until December,” said McConnell, a Kentucky Republican. . . .

Just hours earlier, House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin — who was in the meeting with Trump — had told reporters the Democratic proposal was “unworkable” and “ridiculous.”

Trumpers, who argued that one must vote Trump during the 2016 elections because the alternative was supporting a Democrat, were jubilant at Trump’s decision to support Democrats Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi over Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell:

Start your own obsequious pro-Trump spin now! It’s all the rage! Suggested line of defense: “anything that makes Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan angry is good.” (Do not recall that Ryan and McConnell called for Trump to be elected over Hillary. That never happened, citizen — and such thoughts are doubleplusungood.) If you twist yourself into a big enough pretzel, you’ll convince yourself that supporting Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi is the height of conservatism. The tools quoted above managed it. Why not you?

Hackery: it’s not just for breakfast any more!

This can only end with Trump switching parties and becoming a Democrat, and taking 1/3 of the Republican party with him. They’ll yell about the importance of fighting the left as they vote in Pelosi and Schumer, institute single-payer, expand entitlements, impose “ze and zir” transgender pronouns on America — and of course “automatically” agree to those “sacred” debt ceiling hikes. They’re “very important,” don’t you know.

At least I’ll never have to listen to people talking about how Trump fights the left any more.



[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

158 Responses to “Trump Sides with Democrats Over Republicans As Trumpers Cheer”

  1. I don’t think I want to read these comments.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. More TDS. I come here every so often to see if the obsession has stopped. Looks like it hasn’t.

    — Mike K

    Patterico (115b1f)

  3. president trump is better than pickles and banana flavored applesauce he is

    i love how he put it to stinky whores paul ryan and mitch mcconnell

    truly he is the greatest of men

    — happyfeet

    Patterico (115b1f)

  4. I still remember when this blog took on the left.

    The show American Horror Story, which few watch any more and fewer talk about, will use election night 2016 as the horror, dread, and existential panic in every liberal’s and NeverTrumper’s permanently-infarcted hearts.

    What is the thing that scares you the most?, an unknown voice asks in the beginning of the trailer.

    “It is now official,” a newsman says on TV, as if in response to the question. “Donald Trump is now the president of the United States.”

    And then the main character issues a primal scream.

    Not even making this up. The trailer is embedded below the fold.

    –Colonel Haiku

    Patterico (115b1f)

  5. So you’re saying Trump has never ever done anything to support Republicans, are you?

    I disagree.

    — shipwreckedcrew

    Patterico (115b1f)

  6. Trump is just fighting by the left’s rules. Trump didn’t make up those rules. He’s just applying them.

    — NJRob

    Patterico (115b1f)

  7. We’re screwed. I have this image of Kelly pistol-whipping Trump, all the while calling him an imbecile/moron/idiot, then sending him to bed without ice cream. Makes me chuckle.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  8. Take that, you swamp-bound RINO cucks!

    Dave (445e97)

  9. I must say, the new “Commenter Preview” feature is impressive as hell.

    Dave (445e97)

  10. Right now someone is lecturing me on Twitter about how Reagan made deals with Tip O’Neill.

    Remind me: who controlled the House back then?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  11. He is just the symptom. The entire government is dysfunctional, mainly because Congress has found a way to hide under their desks. They simply let the president and the bureaucracy rule the land and then they can have show trials and pouty interviews on Sunday mornings.

    It’s going to be a rough patch for the republic, and I’ve made my peace with that. Ride out the decline. Live life with the most meaning you can. We’re on Flight 93 and we’re still in the air but…

    Patricia (5fc097)

  12. I’ve linked this book before, but link it here again because it has an entire chapter devoted to splendid examples of how desperately the marks, the chumps, the suckers, the victims of con men, fight against every attempt to point out to them that they’ve been bamboozled, and how they continue to insist that the con artists are wonderful, righteous, and — well, insert [any description you choose from hatefulfeet about Trump here].

    The Confidence Game: Why We Fall for It . . . Every Time (2016), by Maria Konnikova. Sample:

    In June 2014, a so-called suckers list of people who had fallen for multiple scams surfaced in England, It had been passed on from shady group to shady group, sold to willing bidders, until law enforcement had gotten hold of its contents. It was 160,000 names long. When authorities began contacting some of the individuals on the list, they were met with surprising resistance. I’ve never been scammed, the victims insisted.

    And this, which will describe how Trump will indeed use this betrayal, this connivance with Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi, to further cement his Trumpkin base:

    A loss, a good confidence artist knows, doesn’t spell the end: that’s why the breakdown sucks the mark in further rather than letting him off the hook. Under the right circumstances, a loss can signal a deepening of commitment.

    And this:

    The sunk-cost effect gives us a continued, strong motivation to believe in something even when the landscape has changed significantly since we first invested ourselves in it.


    The more and the longer we’ve invested in something, the more likely the sunk-cost argument is to get the better of both our reason and our perception.


    Once we’re in the home stretch of the confidence game, our investment renders us unable to be objective about the past evidence; we ignore the breakdown and open the way for the send because we refuse to admit we could have been wrong. We persist in acting as we did before, despite the growing evidence that we should change course. And so of course the con is successful: the touch goes off without a hitch, and we’re left completely fleeced.

    I do not direct this remark at those who voted for Trump in the general as a supposed least-worst alternative.

    But every Trumpkin who voted for him in the primary has been conclusively revealed today, by Trump, to be a sucker and a chump. He’s just another damned New York limousine liberal, and when you strip away the flim-flam, at bottom he’s no different in kind from Hillary Clinton. That is going to become increasingly apparent as he goes farther and farther off the rails. Hell, he might run as a Democrat in 2020 — that’s just a matter of shifting his target audience for the con.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  13. Patterico, Did you miss my earlier post?

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  14. Here it is.

    “The real problem today is that Trump joined the Democrats on the issue of the debt ceiling.

    “Trump dove into the swamp and joined the Democrats. The fact that Mr. Trump agreed to Mr. Schumer’s proposal shows that the president is “utterly clueless about how the Hill operates,” a source said to the Wash Times.

    “The Republicans have reason join the Dems on impeachment.”

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  15. bamboozled…

    ROFLMAOPIP by the Noo Yawk Bambino. “Swing for the fences!” – Donald Trump

    “How sweet it is!” – Jackie Gleason ‘The Jackie Gleason Show’ CBS TV, 1966-1970

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  16. trump supporters don’t want their social security checks to have payment stopped.

    oldie on ss (60665c)

  17. It’s at the very periphery of this issue but I noticed tonight in the credits of Born on the Fourth of July that Fat Republican was played by John Galt.

    Pinandpuller (1f8b5c)

  18. Will Social Security benefit payments stop coming?

    Social Security recipients will probably be largely unaffected by a shutdown. Checks for seniors, those with disabilities and survivors will go out as usual. But Social Security Administration employees could face furloughs.

    From the AARP website.

    Suckers look for rationalizations to claim they were right all along, rather than they’ve been duped.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  19. Donald Trump is not now, and never has been, a political enemy of the Democrats.

    Donald Trump is not now, and never has been, a Republican.

    Donald Trump is not now, and never has been, a conservative.

    Donald Trump is not now, and never has been, a proponent of the Rule of Law.

    Donald Trump is not now, and never has been, interested in draining the swamp. He is the swamp.

    If you voted for Donald Trump in any GOP primary under the assumption, or even the hope, that he was any one or more of these things, you are a sucker, a dupe, a mark, and a fool. Repent ye of these things and open your eyes; then you can at least be an ex-sucker.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  20. Perhaps you get the sense that I’m angry at Trump tonight. I am.

    But that’s nothing new. What’s new is that tonight, my worst fears are fully confirmed. I always thought this dog would sh*t the Oval Office carpet and claim it’s caviar. Tonight I’m angry at the people who let the mutt in.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  21. It’s not as if DJT had not been previously exposed as a liar and bully. His personal character had long since been exposed to anyone who cared to see.

    Radical solutions are our only chance. We must get beyond the politics of personality.

    We won’t.

    I am frustrated as all get out. However, I am not angry with DJT. A snake who bites is just doing its job. My anger is at the generations who refused to see and accept limitations. The scope of the tragedy of the fall of our republic can not be overstated. We’re just about there.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  22. Bravo Beldar!

    Dave (445e97)

  23. Well, if Trump declares himself a Democrat and takes the RINOs with him, it would certainly kill any chances of President Hillary. It would also identify the RINOs for all to see and work toward replacing and it just might restore the Democratic Party to the party of the working mane from the clown show it has become.

    Jay Dee (7ee36c)

  24. Beldar, you’re being optimistic thinking he’ll run as a Democrat in 2020. I said it several months ago, Trump’ll switch his party affiliation before 18 months is up. It’s not the GOP “establishment” that’s a problem, they’re political opportunists with no principles, it’s the handful of actual conservatives who are managing to block Trump. Trump switches parties and suddenly he’s got a majority in Congress he can work with – the Dems and the GOPportunists – and, even better, suddenly the media is fawning all over him as a lovable rogue, a little rough around the edges, but always entertaining, just a swell guy. Russia goes away, Comey goes away, Mueller goes away, financial irregularities and cronyism and self-dealing, it all goes away and everybody loves Uncle Donald.

    Jerryskids (3308c1)

  25. I don’t know who Bill Mitchell is, but Mike Cernovich is a nothing punk who became a-little-bit-more-than-nothing with Trump’s election. He’s emblematic of the rabid Trumpkins for whom Trump can do no wrong because that would be an existential crisis for them.

    nk (9651fb)

  26. But don’t you think that this stuff we’ve been seeing this week is why Spicer, Priebus, Bannon and Gorka bailed out? These are guys who still have futures and don’t want them destroyed by an demented New York orange-skinned pansy. The ones sticking with Trump are the guys with nowhere else to go except a retirement community.

    nk (9651fb)

  27. It’s not the GOP “establishment” that’s a problem, they’re political opportunists with no principles, it’s the handful of actual conservatives who are managing to block Trump.

    If the bulk of the GOP in Congress lack any principles, and would work together with Pelosi and Schumer, why didn’t they team up with Obama to pass his full wish list of immigration, wealth-distribution and gun control legislation?

    Not a single Republican voted for the 2009 stimulus, or for Obamacare. All they gave Obama was continuing resolutions to keep the government from shutting down, the combined effect of which were to reduce federal government spending from 24.4% of GDP (in 2009) to 20.9% of GDP (in 2016). Under Reagan, the average was 21.8%.

    In fact, about 90-95% of the GOP congressmen/senators are conservatives to one degree or another.

    Trump is the opportunist whose only principle is self-worship.

    Dave (445e97)

  28. Remind me: who controlled the House back then?

    Rings a faint bell.

    Seem to recall that Reagan also said one of the big disappointments of his Presidency was a failure to curtail federal spending, i.e. a Democrat Congress running amok.

    JP (f1742c)

  29. By showing Republicans he can work with Democrats, Trump forces Republicans to unite or become irrelevant.

    If Republicans could unite, Trump wouldn’t be president.

    CayleyGraph (1c63a5)

  30. 16, yes. That is also why Will Hurd voted for some budget bill in 2015 lacking anti immigration measures, the Border Patrol has a large contingent stationed within his district and agents with family there; he needed to keep the checks flowing.

    urbanleftbehind (b8310a)

  31. I will post from Sphincter, mg might be sleeping in, but our Mariano Rivera needs rest

    urbanleftbehind (b8310a)

  32. Mitt Romney’s slicked-up-and-slimy boytoy Paul Ryan’s the guy who destroyed the sequester (and his own credibility on fiscal matters) so cowardly war hero pig John McCain could slop the corrupt incompetent US military piggies

    so where were we

    Paul Ryan was sitting in a puddle of his own poo, making poo angels to the delight of perv-daddy Mitt

    the freedom filth were doing their tiresome cock of the walk thing

    and the sleazy McConnell Senate – already awol on its job on obamacare and confirmations and border security and so so many other things unrelated to procuring a plum position for McConnell’s pig wife – was positively overwhelmed with the added burden of raising the debt ceiling and doing nummy nummy welfare for soggy soggy Texas

    Mitchy-pickles my dear friend

    you were warned

    if you don’t eat your meat someone’s gonna eat your pudding

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. if there’s a mistake here it most likely lies in not tacking on some welfares for devastated Florida

    i’m remembering how almost perfectly our friend Mr. Harvey shuffled along to the intricate and improbable choreography laid down by the NOAA in that little dance steps chart they put out

    looks like Irma got her some dance dance revolution skills too

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. smh. It was never about Trump.

    Take Trump down, or render him ineffective, and we’ll simply grab a bigger hammer.

    You don’t understand that part, yet. All you can even begin to understand is, ‘Trump is better than Hillary.’

    So, that’s what we tell you.

    Warren Bonesteel (138dd5)

  35. Yes McConnell and Ryan were going to surrender again, so why wait out the week of hLeting.

    narciso (6169c7)

  36. Very bad move by Trump. And a sad situation with Republican leadership. Knowing that the disaster funding is needed – and now more for FLA – Republicans missed a GOLDEN opportunity to get out front on this… they should’ve been loudly offering to work with Dems and find areas where spending cuts could be made… let’s see… here’s a billion we can cut on green energy… here’s 500 million we can cut on foreign aid… and so on.

    They were elected based on several commitments… a large one being spending cuts. The Dems are known clowns. Why do the POTUS and Republicans want to join their ranks?

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  37. Ryan/McConnell were going to surrender …. so Trump beat them to it and surrendered first. No one can surrender like Donnie Two Scoops.

    Bruce (773ee1)

  38. If Republicans could unite, Trump wouldn’t be president.
    CayleyGraph (1c63a5) — 9/7/2017 @ 5:15 am

    Completely agree. They, the deep field of candidates, blew it in the primaries. The convention was never going to turn Cruz’s way because he made the “mistake” of doing what his constituents sent him to the Capitol to do.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  39. It is my belief that the GOP was long ago infiltrated by RINOs. Who, while not necessarily Dem sleepers, are there only to partake of the trough of worldly power.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  40. Which is why unity of the GOP is abated.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  41. I mean if there was a meaningful chance they would hold out but veruca, Collins and fixeloflake scotch the deal.

    As to the supposed support of doxxing when silicon valley and the splc are on a target spitting jag for antifa

    narciso (6169c7)

  42. RINOs would it were

    sleazy deranged war hero John McCain’s an reconstituted democrat now

    maliciously gumming his empty sippy cup, grunting like an uncomprehending animal at anyone what tries to take it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. oopers that should say John McCain’s *a* reconstituted democrat now

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. “The debt ceiling has been raised 74 times since March 1962, including 18 times under Ronald Reagan, eight times under Bill Clinton, seven times under George W. Bush, and five times under Barack Obama. … Congress has raised the debt ceiling 14 times from 2001-2013.”

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  45. No one can surrender like Donnie Two Scoops.
    Bruce (773ee1) — 9/7/2017 @ 6:25 am

    What an interesting nickname for DJT. Is he the raisins in Raisin Bran? Or he a “regular” guy. Perhaps he is the raison d’être of ______?

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  46. his prodigious harvardtrash erudition on full display

    “The Pelosi-Schumer-Trump deal is bad,” sniffed Sen. Ben Sasse, Nebraska Republican.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. Colonel Haiku (6c3d91) — 9/7/2017 @ 6:42 am

    I’m taking bets on how many times the debt ceiling is raised under Trump. You can specify the time period of months, years or terms.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  48. That Sasse sure is sassy.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  49. I don’t mean anything by it, guys, I’m just takin’ bets is all.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  50. Perhaps this will light a fire under McConnell and Ryan to actually do their job. Congress has the lowest rating ever not because of Trump. They’ve done nothing but oppose Trump and his agenda to make things right in America since Trump took office. If they could just get a clue that half of America (the other half were too stupid to figure out that Hillary should be in jail) voted for Trump because they actually want America to succeed, things would turn out different. Why would they expect Trump to help them to look good?

    PursueJustice (93dd0f)

  51. 37) there is certainly a degree of this, the liberty caucus of senarptors ciuldnt get their act together. Before the primaries

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. They serve the chamber of commerce, which wants unlimited amnesty, robertscare and probably some kin if vat tax

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. The problem with a chamber of commerce, is that there is too much chamber and not enough commerce.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  54. 31

    Schlichter is hitting every tiki torch!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  55. Yeah, I will give our host credit since he seems to be the contrarian amongst the west coast bro-con continingent.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  56. 47… who knows, felipe!?!? But I anxiously await the next dyspeptic post from Beldar decrying suckerdom!

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  57. But a missed opportunity, no doubt.

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  58. ugh during the primaries, when the mournful wind come down from the wintry canadian north

    if you were listening carefully careful

    you would’ve heard harvardtrash ted promising to do a vat tax all up in it when he wasn’t screeching about the bathroom trannies

    the voters what heard found refuge beneath the sheltering limbs of a doughty oak

    to this day it’s called the Trump America Oak in honor of our savior

    and children gambol beneath while woodland creatures nestle in root and bough

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. “The ones sticking with Trump are the guys with nowhere else to go except a retirement community.”

    Eh? Evangelicals jettissoned?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  60. What an interesting nickname for DJT. Is he the raisins in Raisin Bran? Or he a “regular” guy. Perhaps he is the raison d’être of ______?

    He’s just an extra-speshul snowflake.

    Dave (445e97)

  61. In principle a vat might work, but they would demand it would be in addition to the current tax code.

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. STEVE BANNON: Look what he did on DACA the other day. OK, I don’t agree with that DACA decision, but I understand how he struggled with it, I understand how he’s giving the possibility of a legislative thing. And he said even last night in a Tweet– even in a Tweet, he would rethink it. Trust me, the guys in the far right, the guys on the conservative side are not happy with this.

    CHARLIE ROSE: I remind you, a good Catholic, that Cardinal Dolan is opposed to what’s happened with DACA. Cardinal Dolan.

    STEVE BANNON: The Catholic Church has been terrible about this.


    STEVE BANNON: The bishops have been terrible about this. By the way, you know why? You know why? Because unable to really– to– to– to come to grips with the problems in the Church, they need illegal aliens, they need illegal aliens to fill the churches. That’s– it’s obvious on the face of it. That’s what– the entire Catholic Bishops condemn him.


    STEVE BANNON: They have– they have an economic interest. They have an economic interest in unlimited immigration, unlimited illegal immigration. And as much as–

    CHARLIE ROSE: –that’s a tough thing to say about your church.

    STEVE BANNON: As much as I respect Cardinal Dolan and the Bishops on doctrine, this is not doctrine. This is not doctrine at all.

    CHARLIE ROSE: Let me talk–

    STEVE BANNON: I– I totally respect the Pope and I totally respect the Catholic Bishops and cardinals on doctrine. This is not about doctrine. This is about the sovereignty of a nation. And in that regard, they’re just another guy with an opinion.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  63. but they would demand it would be in addition to the current tax code

    harvardtrash Ted kept an income tax in place, naively supposing it could remain fixed at a flat 10%

    bless his heart

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. I have respect fir Cruz, pikacho, for sasse i have none, for fixeliflake i have -i

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. Sorry, Ben, you’ve become obsolete. Even you cannot make me like Trump now.

    nk (dbc370)

  66. Is anyone really surprised that former democrat Donald John Trump would side with the Democrats on something?

    He teased his base with the promise to eliminate DACA, then did so with a six-month window for Congress to write it into law, at which time he’d revisit it if Congress chose not to act.

    With this, it really is the Art of the Deal: he just told Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell that he was willing to dance with someone else if the GOP kept stepping on his toes. His entire history is one of being willing to change dance partners: ask Hillary Clinton, to whom he made contributions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007. Hell, ask Marla Maples!

    President Trump has positioned himself to get several things:

    1 – The Wall (Republican policy)
    2 – DACA (Democratic policy
    3 – Repeal Obaminablecare (Republican policy)
    4 – Single-payer plan, Medicare for all (Democratic policy)
    5 – Stricter (non-DACA) immigration enforcement (Republican policy)
    6 – Increased infrastructure spending (Democratic policy)

    We knew, all along, from his proposals well before the election, that he was no deficit hawk. I’ll admit to having some hopes from his FY2018 budget proposal that he might be willing to cut spending, but the infrastructure plan wasn’t in there; that’ll be coming soon.

    Be thankful we got Neil Gorsuch, and pray that Anthony Kennedy and Ruth Ginsburg have to retire very soon; other than that, we’ll get very little from his President.

    The Dana with a long memory (f1c5f8)

  67. Does it look like they are interested in a wall, no appatentky, do it look like they want dacha like I want pecan pie, do they care we are moving to a defacto single payer (mcawfyls statecjust lost another one)

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. So the real bet is which of these two – the debt ceiling or DACA – gets extended more times?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  69. Ted Cruz are become a trapdoor spider

    he makes no pretense of leadership or vision anymore

    he leaps upon the passing tasty morsel

    sly and opportunistic

    then retreats to his foul-smelling lair

    and he waits

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. other than that, we’ll get very little from his President

    tell me of the Lovely

    speak to me of the Delicious

    what such has President Trump vetoed?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  71. 68, pray to god that none of the Hispanic Caucus wakes out of a Luis G. stupor and actually brings a cinder block and bag of cement to Capitol Hill…then its game set match.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  72. The Catholic Church used to be:
    1. The oldest son would inherit the title and the lands;
    2. The younger sons, the “cadets”, would become officers in the King’s army?
    3. The sons of dubious masculinity and even more dubious sexual proclivities would join the Church.
    With the decline of feudalism, only Number 3 has survived.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. Out here in California, we went through this same political transformation with the last so called Republican governor.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  74. You malign me no.

    I winced every time they pulled you back in.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  75. Guys, relax, the Wall is taken care of.

    Mexico is paying for it, remember?

    “One hundred percent.”

    President Trump is such a great deal-maker, I bet he’ll even get them to chip in for Ivanka’s family-leave tax credit, too.

    Dave (445e97)

  76. You malign me, nk

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  77. what if what if

    what if taking the debt ceiling off the table implies a determination on the part of President Trump to ask the useless incompetent woefully corrupt US Military (and perhaps our sleazy self-dealing McConnellslut Congress as well) to get off their fat asses and at long last do something about North Korea?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. Trump has a short attention span. Waiting for the GOP Congress to work through problems and reach a compromise is beyond him.

    As For the RINO Congressional leadership, theypicked Trump over Cruz and they probably would do it again. After all, it isn’t their money.

    DRJ (15874d)

  79. Nk, the 2nd son (or the 3rd) would alternate between army and clergy, though yes this was probably decided by fey-ness. 3rd — 4th or lower son became a robber, pirate, or pioneer in a strange land. In the eastern orthodox churches – I’ve heard from a Greek co-worker, the parish priests are family having menly men, whereas administrators tend to be of the Smithers variety.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  80. The only concentrating the congress has been focused is on that stupid Russia mess, if they had their appropriations in order see wouldnr be in this mess, again.

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. Right now someone is lecturing me on Twitter about how Reagan made deals with Tip O’Neill.

    Remind me: who controlled the House back then?

    Patterico (115b1f) — 9/6/2017 @ 10:18 pm

    Right now nuclear war is appearing to be the preferable option. Because, f*** it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  82. I mild tactical nuclear exchange may summon the chud or the strigoi

    narciso (d1f714)

  83. O/T, I’m so old I my grandmother used to drive me around in a pink and white DeSoto.

    Mr. Feets, how could such an openly homosexual car could have been sold back in the 1950s?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  84. two words Mr. 57

    Pinky Tuscadero

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. Yeah, i think it was implicit that only a female could be seen driving them. It would be stripped of parts and crushed upon arrival to a Arabian peninsula kingdom.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  86. come the 60s Mary Kay Ash would take it to a whole new level

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. Sometimes, Mr. Feets, you make me laugh.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  88. Speaking of grishenko, guess who else is in the fusion peanut gallery

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. Establishment GOP insiders, Ryan and McConnell, both consummate foot draggers, have often politely declined to back Trump and sometimes openly worked to undermine the agenda voters elected The Donald to implement.

    Consequently, Trump and his loyal supporters are not amused, in fact they’re screaming pissed off, fed-up, and contemplating the pros and cons of a retaliation against the entire DC swamp so sudden and so therough as to put genocide into a political context.

    The monstrous tantrum, combined with bogus allegations of collusion and Russian interference in the election, that rejected Democrats and their masters in the media are inflicting on the nation has been more than tiresome enough to endure, but when nearly the entire leftist DC federal bureaucracy adopts the tactics of massive resistance to legitimate elected authority it’s time they all got sent packing, some of them to prison, and the sooner the better.

    The GOP Congress has had over 6 months to put their house in order and make progress fulfilling the campaign promises that got them elected, but cowardly party leaders have consistently failed our President at nearly every turn that counted.

    So, directly to the topic, finally, Trump kicks dirt in faces of Ryan and McConnell and gives them a taste of what they’ve long been dishing out. Screw ‘um.

    ropelight (db9e35)

  90. I will watch “Zulu” with a smile on my face.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  91. Ann Coulter suicide watch, Day Three

    The seventh seal has been broken.

    The end times are upon us.

    Ann Coulter is now retweeting Patterico’s barbs directed at Trump.

    “Dogs and cats, living together…” – Dr. Peter Venkman

    Dave (445e97)

  92. I’m probably the only one here who knows how to fix a spearhead with a hot nail.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  93. ulb, yes, only priests are alowed to be married men in the Greek Orthodox Church. If they want to rise in the hierarchy, they take vows not to let something else rise. Most Greek jokes about the clergy are about the masculinity of the archimandrites and bishops.

    nk (dbc370)

  94. I use smal nails as pins and rivets for my knives all the time.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. Bingo, nk. I am glad I’m wrong. You can fix the spearhead to the shaft by driving the hot nail across it, then whacking the end down.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  96. they finally ordered the floridas to evacuate

    this should have been done much earlier

    mayor sylvester’s laxity and complacency are become contagion

    the rest of us we know we know

    oh how the wind do blow so blow

    it stings the toes

    and bites the nose

    as over the ground we go

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  97. ugh that should have been oh how the wind do blow *do* blow

    sloppy work there

    i’m on a conference call and multitasking cause i haven’t the foggiest idea what we’re talking about

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  98. Patricia at 11: “It’s going to be a rough patch for the republic, and I’ve made my peace with that. Ride out the decline. Live life with the most meaning you can. We’re on Flight 93 and we’re still in the air but…”

    I’m not there yet but I’m close. I guess we can watch Europe to see our future and give thanks that Latin America is not predominately Muslim.

    Watching the start of the implosion of a successfully stable, competent society is almost as fascinating as it is horrifying. The most incredible sight (so far) is watching the future victims cheering it on.

    harkin (fcaff0)

  99. I like the cut of your jib, harkin.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  100. Thecconsolatuon, is con pribabluy tupolv’d himself out of vicar fed chair, the downside there may be a worse candidate.

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. The court jester defeated the evil queen by exploiting fissures in the republican party. I don’t like 3-month deals anymore than anyone else but the 18-month continuing resolution that Trump short-circuited with this crazy-Ivan move was a bigger stinking sellout. By this time next week we’ll be at each other’s throats over something else.

    We can argue cause and effect until Kim turns our lights out but it isn’t going to change the fundamental problem that Ryan/McConnell refuse to stop governing by CR and emergency spending bills despite perpetual promises to return to regular order. If they don’t like what Trump did then they shouldn’t give him the opportunity to do it with these cromnibus-style deals.

    crazy (11d38b)

  102. Con, was who was ferrying to,

    narciso (d1f714)

  103. Back to the topic, didn’t Benedict Arnold go over to the British because he was unhappy with the policies of the Continental Congress and the way it was treating him?

    nk (dbc370)

  104. The firs twenty didn’t count. I wasn’t satisfied with the quality of them.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  105. why exactly does this cause nevertrump to moisten their panties so

    paul ryan and his poopy-boys still have a majoritah

    sleazy mitch and his poopy-boys still have a majoritah (however saddled it is with grandstanding war hero trash like John McCain)

    why can’t they send President Trump whatever the hell they want

    why can’t they just do whatever they want

    why can’t they do their jobs

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. Gotta love it!

    The Never Trumpers never disappoint. If we’d listened to their wisdom, Gorsuch would be warming an appellate bench, district courts awash with new Sotomayors, and Hill would be on TV most days, cackling about some new law. Tim Kaine would be a heartbeat from the White House.

    But the Never Trumpers pout that that the real Guardians of Truth and Justice are elsewhere. Maybe in the congress! The one so sleepy, inert, useless and inept it cannot lower taxes! Or competently investigate a single thing done under Obama, or even repeal Obamacare, as they bleated for 8 years they would.

    We have $4 billion destroyers that do not work; old ICBM’s, a useless CIA, a leaky NSA, and a North Korea that the Smart People allowed to fester into what it is now, and a massive debt that cannot be erased in one year. All came into being under the Smart People, while the purists prattled on during a book tour or a NR cruise.

    Now the NT’s lurch up with some effort from their padded chairs and lobbyist deals, to fault Trump –not congress–for insisting on a budget solution Congress has not provided. Congress? Where are the bills cutting entitlements? Or raising the retirement age from 2016 onward? Or for that matter–on anything?

    I thank every day that Hillary is not president. I owe that to Trump, not the bow-tie wearing George Wills of the world.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  107. Steve57, I cut them to size and peen the end without the head. The very small finishing nails don’t need to be annealed but the larger ones do.

    nk (dbc370)

  108. We must respect his authority and constitutional responsibilities. We must, where we can, cooperate with him. But we are not his subordinates. We don’t answer to him. We answer to the American people.

    this is what cowardly and demented war hero John McCain sputtered over his malt-o-meal just the other day

    so what if what if

    what if we amend this to say as follows:

    I must respect their authority and constitutional responsibilities. I must, where I can, cooperate with Congress. But the presidency is not subordinate to Congress. The presidency does not answer to Congress. The presidency answers to the American people.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  109. Back to the topic, didn’t Benedict Arnold go over to the British because he was unhappy with the policies of the Continental Congress and the way it was treating him?

    I’m offended by your implicit comparison of Donald Trump to Benedict Arnold.

    Before turning traitor, Benedict Arnold was a hero who fought bravely for his country, and was wounded in action multiple times.

    Donald Trump is a draft-dodger who thinks he deserves a medal for not contracting VD while getting laid with his daddy’s money.

    Dave (445e97)

  110. gotsta love all these war heroes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  111. Yep, it’s happening.

    Upbeat Trump raves to Schumer, Pelosi about news coverage of their deal

    But in calls with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi Thursday morning, Trump raved about the positive news coverage it had received, according to people familiar with the calls, and he seemed very pleased with his decision.

    Trump specifically mentioned TV segments praising the deal and indicated he’d been watching in a call with Schumer, two people said. And he was jovial in a call with Pelosi and agreed to send a tweet she asked for about the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, these people said, while also mentioning the attention the deal had gotten. He indicated to both leaders he would be willing to work together again.

    “He seemed super upbeat,” one person familiar with the calls said.

    Another person familiar with the calls said Trump told Pelosi her coverage was even better than his. “The press has been incredible,” Trump said.

    (emphasis added, LOL)

    Dave (445e97)

  112. politico fake news propaganda slut Josh Dawsey and his anonymous sources have a great deal of latitude in crafting a narrative i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  113. Republicans used to negotiate for some small measure of fiscal responsibility (remember “sequestration”?) in return for raising the debt ceiling. None of that any more!

    what’s stopping them from doing this now?


    just their own weak cowardice and lack of principle

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. 108… his name is mudd!

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  115. what’s stopping them from doing this now?

    it’s very telling how the girlish war hero trash on the Republican Study Committee just woke up today and decided to make an effort to shape the policy direction they’d like a debt ceiling raise to take

    they writed a letter!

    look at them go

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  116. “We answer to the American people.”

    You can’t “answer” if you don’t listen!

    Cut entitlements.
    Restore the military.
    Fund the wall.
    Repeal or fix Obamacare.
    Cut taxes.

    Rein in colleges: no more student loans in excess of X, and limits on BS classes containing the words “studies” “anthology” or “critical.”

    Pass the “Second blonde wife act of 2017: deductions and limitations on spousal support.”

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  117. The enemies of Trump’s enemies can be his sometimes friends. Remember, politics ain’t beanbag, and nature is red in tooth and claw.

    ropelight (db9e35)

  118. Show me some balls Republicans. Vote for your damn platform and for why we elected you in the first place.

    Enforce the law. Arrest criminals. Cut taxes. Reduce regulations crippling our economy. Shrink the size and scope of government.

    Show me the Republican leadership willing to do that Patterico instead of baiting your commenters. I’ll wait.

    NJRob (9bca63)

  119. The enemy of my enemy is the enemy I will kill last.
    – Klingon proverb

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  120. Very bad move by Trump. And a sad situation with Republican leadership. Knowing that the disaster funding is needed – and now more for FLA – Republicans missed a GOLDEN opportunity to get out front on this… they should’ve been loudly offering to work with Dems and find areas where spending cuts could be made… let’s see… here’s a billion we can cut on green energy… here’s 500 million we can cut on foreign aid… and so on.

    They were elected based on several commitments… a large one being spending cuts. The Dems are known clowns. Why do the POTUS and Republicans want to join their ranks?

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91) — 9/7/2017 @ 6:25 am

    Could’ve used more fanciful language. We are going to REDIRECT funds to where it is most needed. Helping people devastated by this horrendous storm. Saving lives. Repairing homes. Our government has a budget just like you do. But these people need help. So we will tighten our belt elsewhere to ensure we can help them now. It’s the American thing to do.

    And on and on.

    NJRob (9bca63)

  121. You just don’t get it (although DRJ did have an interesting comment).

    Trump wants to spend our money, not save it. It’s not what’s best for the country, that doesn’t get a moment’s notice. It’s all about Trump and what Trump wants. “Believe me, that I can tell you.”

    Tillman (a95660)

  122. 122… yes, NJRob… point out how brainless the Democrat approach is to nearly everything they touch. There is no money tree and Schumer and Pelosi should be old enough to know that, given their 150 years combined age give or take.

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  123. @24.It’s not the GOP “establishment” that’s a problem, they’re political opportunists with no principles, it’s the handful of actual conservatives who are managing to block Trump.

    Bingo. And there’s not nearly as many of them in America as their echo-chambered media has led the to believe. It’s “Challenger Logic” — they’ve been fooling themselves.

    @12/19/20. Down, boy, down! Or you’ll get your nose rubbed in that calling card on the Oval carpet– then smacked w/a rolled up copy your beloved New York Times! You were thrown the bone; now go chew on Gorsuch’s marrow. Sooner or later the ideological fossils of the hard right are going to learn it is called the Republican Party, not the ‘Conservative’ Party.

    The grand objective has been to effectively neuter the modern ideological conservative movement, reduce it to irrelevance, render it obsolete and pack the antique back into Goldwater’s attic. This is being accomplished. :-)

    “I love it when a plan comes together.”– Hannibal Smith [George Peppard] ,any episode, ‘The A-Team’ NBC TV 1983-1987

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  124. Dave wrote:

    Donald Trump is a draft-dodger who thinks he deserves a medal for not contracting VD while getting laid with his daddy’s money.

    And how do we know that Mr Trump has never contracted VD?

    After all, when he speaks, he expects us all to clap!

    The Dana who isn't a physician (f1c5f8)

  125. Whatever happened to line-item vetoes?

    Betcha Congress can’t see their toes.

    Patterico is right about RRs failure to control the deficit by ordering massive revenue rollbacks combined with Star Wars, PEACEKEEPER and general Pentagon MILSPEC overreach. Somehow he and republicans still have this phantom reputation for fiscal rationality.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  126. @127. Reagan’s Ray-Guns.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  127. Star Wars…Solyndra!

    Viva la difference!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  128. 127:

    The 80’s deficits restored the military corroded by Carter, and won the Cold War. That yielded the Peace Dividend-endless billions that were saved. That the Dividend was frittered away on foreign wars and domestic entitlements by later politicos, does not undercut the benefit of the RR Deficits.

    Line item vetoes: outlawed by the Democratic congress installed in 1970 after Nixon bravely but foolishly tried to cut spending and was pilloried for it. (As Trump will be if he tries it). The Democrats ended Nixon’s efforts to control the budget, and the ability of future presidents as well.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  129. gotsta love all these war heroes

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/7/2017 @ 9:35 am

    There I was, deep in the s***, polishing off a six pack of Heinekens by the hotel pool in Bangkok. After a hard night of playing Jenga with the h**kers at the King’s X. And yes, they were actually women. If you know anything about Thailand you know it’s important to check.

    And then letting them raid my mini bar.

    Cobra Gold. It was pure, unadulterated h3ll.

    “Hat Yai, summer in the city, back of my neck feeling dirty and gritty…”

    Anybody up for my tales of derring-do regarding my epic battles with disbursing over them scr%wing up my pay?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  130. I once got kicked out of the Kadena AFB O’Club with two SEALs. One accidentally gave me a black eye later when we tried to make rice.

    I had to stay with them as when I got to the BOQ front desk I was told they didn’t have any rooms. So I moved away and the two SEALs went forward and the girl gushed, “You guys are SEALs?!?!” They got the Captain’s (O-6) Suite.

    I was like, “Can I sleep on your couch?”

    Oddly enough we pulled into White Beach following Cobra Gold.

    Does any of this make me a war hero?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  131. R.E. Trump, is any of this a surprise? He was a Democrat five minutes before he announced his candidacy.

    Guess what? The Republican majority has failed. Again, is this any surprise?

    Also, I hate the way the term RINO is used. John McCain is supposedly a RINO. Lindsey Graham is supposedly a RINO.

    No, they’re the real Republicans. If you, like I am, are conservative we’re the damned RINOs. The real Republicans love being the junior partner in the Democratic party’s big government machine. As Beldar has so eloquently pointed out, if you think otherwise you’re being played for a sucker.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  132. One step in the right direction would be a heavy tax hike on the coastal blue zones to help pay for hurricane disaster relief.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  133. The Hill and the a*s-whupped.

    “Lawmakers voted 316-90 for the package that includes more than $15 billion in disaster recovery aid for communities affected by Hurricane Harvey. The majority of House Republicans voted for the bill, something that had been uncertain, but more of the yes votes came from Democrats.”

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  134. Frankly Steve57, I don’t know who’s who any more. I “used” to be a conservative Republican. Now I’m a racist Nazi. I didn’t even pass through neo-conservative, alt-right or white supremacist I went straight to racist Nazi. I’m white so not only must I be a racist (ask my grand son) but I’m Christian so I must also be an oppressor and genocidal maniac. My life has been based around stealing from and exploiting *people of color* (like I’m clear or see-through) and now that they’re going to be the majority and take over America they’re gonna show guys like me! So they bring in millions of people from sh!t hole countries who then go about making America like what they came from. That should work out well.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  135. Me too

    I used to be a a Leftie.

    What comes full circle, comes around.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  136. jerryskids:

    It’s not the GOP “establishment” that’s a problem, they’re political opportunists with no principles, it’s the handful of actual conservatives who are managing to block Trump.

    When have the conservatives blocked Trump? Conservatives weren’t the ones who stopped the ObamaCare bill — that was the moderates. Conservatives didn’t stop Trump’s deal with the Democrats on the debt ceiling. In fact, the only thing conservatives have done so far is push Trump to nominate conservative judges like Gorsuch and others — which seems to be the most popular thing (to Republicans and conservatives) that Trump has done so far.

    So why are you blaming conservatives instead of the man himself, the dealmaker, Trump?

    DRJ (15874d)

  137. Few people on the far right are Nazis and few people on the far left are communists, but there does seem to be more extreme rhetoric from people on both sides.

    DRJ (15874d)

  138. Trump feels like he got burned by McConnell and Ryan in the ObamaCare bill, and his supporters seem to feel that way, too. Trump’s solution, which many of his supporters have cheered, is to bypass the elected GOP Congress and do deals with the minority party Democrats — probably because he feels comfortable with them (they are his long-time friends) and shares many of their views.

    Trump is not willing to try to work with a GOP Congress because he is too impatient and it doesn’t get him the attention and approval he craves. Instead, he has to share credit and blame. But our system shouldn’t work this way. This is Trump’s version of Obama’s executive orders: It excludes the elected Republican Senators and Congressmen/women across the country the GOP worked so hard to elect, plus there will be little possibility of court review.

    Do a deal with Democrats in Congress and a few Republicans to authorize DACA? No court will touch that. Do a deal on abortion, or comprehensive immigration reform, or climate change, or how judges are picked? Ditto. And the minority party is driving this process.

    DRJ (15874d)

  139. Rev., welcome to my side of the swamp that isn’t going to be drained anytime soon.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  140. DRJ, to be fair, I heard a lot of people calling themselves Democratic Socialist. That kind of redistribution only happens at the point of a gun

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  141. 134, the beta way of doing that was to reduce the state and local tax deduction, but we are nowhere close to those negotiations.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  142. DRJ, which ones are “the conservatives” again? I mean other than Trey Gowdy.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  143. i’m liking this Mr. Senator Cotton more and more lately

    he’s a thoughtful man, unlike Mitch McConnell

    and he not particularly corrupt as far as I can tell, unlike Mitch McConnell

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  144. oops!

    *he’s* not particularly corrupt i mean (unlike Mitch McConnell)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. Enough talk, let’s see some action and bills from the Republican-controlled Congress, DRJ. Until then, it’s just so much gas…

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  146. Trump’s solution, which many of his supporters have cheered, is to bypass the elected GOP Congress and do deals with the minority party Democrats


    nobody’s been able to explain what the big win the socialists got out of a 3-month kick-the-can debt ceiling deal done in context of the brutal and hideous rape of the sunshine state being perpetrated on it by a wayward skank name of Irma (who spins to the left btw just like schumer and pelosi)

    nevertrump would giggle and go meow meow bad trump meow meow if he was doing debt ceiling dickerings during a disaster

    people know this now about nevertrump

    nevertrump is petty and butthurt

    indistinguishable anymore from CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts

    nevertrump can’t even go as a CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda slut for Halloween this year cause everyone would be all like hey where’s your costume

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  147. So far, the administration is doing well on nominating judges, but the Senate needs to confirm them. My hope is that Trump limits the gifts to Democrats… just allow them to victory mince now and then… and works BIG TIME with R’s on the downlow to correct the Obama legaschitsky before the ‘rats even realize what’s happened.

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  148. i think poop-lick paul and sleazy mitch have a LOT of say in how much and to what degree President Trump will need to turn to the socialists to get stuff done

    so far they’re just not getting the job done, and this is something they’ve purposely and willfully chosen to do

    choices have consequences

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. Trey Gowdy??? He’s early 2000s Lindsey Graham.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  150. …with a bad haircut

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  151. …with a bad haircut
    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91) — 9/8/2017 @ 11:44 am

    Lindsey Graham has an admirable haircut?

    Also, I once got kicked out of the Shorebird in Waikiki with three aircraft maintainers. I though I was sticking up for them, but it turned out the opposite was the case. When the Honolulu cops showed up and found out I was an officer they wanted to arrest me. The maintainers saved my bacon.

    Does this make me a war hero?

    I basically have zero respect for a place that wouldn’t kick me out. I’ve traveled a lot and I have been kicked out of nearly every decent place on earth. I didn’t get kicked out of a place in Olongapo called “The Freaks Stagger Inn.” It looked like part of a movie set that got cut out of “Full Metal Jacket.” The bar was a plank set on two barrels with kerosene lanterns at each end. They still hadn’t fixed the bullet holes from WWII.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  152. the war hero bar’s not set particularly high anymore Mr. 57

    aim higher

    (hah you see what i did there?)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. The maintainers save everyone’s bacon. Even if you keep kosher.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  154. Yeah, I saw what you did, you rapscallion.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  155. :)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  156. i’m just gonna link it

    god bless america

    happyfeet (28a91b)

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