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8/29/2017

Trump Organization Exec Emailed Putin’s Spokesman for Help on a Deal

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:44 am

New reports raise further questions about Donald Trump’s businesses and Russia:

A top executive from Donald Trump’s real estate company emailed Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s personal spokesman during the U.S. presidential campaign last year to ask for help advancing a stalled Trump Tower development project in Moscow, according to documents submitted to Congress on Monday.

The request came in a mid-January 2016 email from Michael Cohen, one of Trump’s closest business advisers, who asked longtime Putin lieutenant Dmitry Peskov for assistance in reviving a deal that Cohen suggested was languishing.

. . . .

Cohen’s email to Peskov provides an example of a Trump business official directly seeking Kremlin assistance in advancing Trump’s business interests.

The project appears to have gone nowhere. It does not look like evidence of “collusion” between Trump and Putin. It just causes any reasonable person to wonder whether the prospect of financial gain played or plays any part in Trump’s unrelenting praise for Vladimir Putin, a ruthless Soviet-style dictator who imprisons, tortures, and kills his political opponents.

I recently read Red Notice: A True Story of High Finance, Murder, and One Man’s Fight for Justice. It’s a compelling read about the imprisonment, torture, and murder of Sergei Magnitsky, whose death led to the U.S. passage of the Magnitsky Act to retaliate against those involved. (That’s the same law that a Kremlin-connected lawyer talked to Manafort and Jr. about getting repealed. Repeal of the Magnitsky Act is one of Putin’s top priorities.) I’ll have a review when I get a chance. In the meantime, watch the first 20 minutes of this. (Keep watching if you’re hooked.)

This is what we’re dealing with in Putin. It’s no joke. The fact that we have a President who praises this man is a continual source of astonishment to me.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

208 Responses to “Trump Organization Exec Emailed Putin’s Spokesman for Help on a Deal”

  1. failmerica’s incompetent joke of a military can’t even handle a confrontation with cargo

    picking a fight with Putin seems unwise

    especially not when even veteran Russia-hater Mitt Romney has his hands full building up this Republican white supremacy movement so he can wield it as a club against… Republicans

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. I once knew a Russian. He tried to sell me a frigate.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  3. I almost bought it. He was selling it cheap.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  4. Greetings, Steve57:

    Frig-gate about it.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  5. Serial liar is a bad credit risk so paying VIG rather than escrow fees makes sense. He won’t stiff a Russian lender.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/05/trump-lawyers-up-conflicts-of-interest/526185/

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  6. I probably could have smuggled in the T-80. But the frigate? No way.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  7. TDS back in full flower.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  8. Trump: I don’t know Putin, have no dealings with Russia

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/07/donald-trump-barack-obama-vladimir-putin-russia/97582938/

    Oh my.

    ____

    The fact that we have a President who praises this man is a continual source of astonishment to me.

    Not when he’s your banker. Why bite the hand that’s been feeding him.

    When the shell companies and financing are revealed we’ll learn that the TO obtained financing from the Ruskies and oligarchs linked to the Putty Cat after U.S. banks stopped loaning to Trump when he cratered in the early 90’s.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. @2/@3. LOL Had a contact at NASA years ago who told me he was given free reign to wander through some Baikanour facilities and make offers to purchase rocket parts. Sent me a piece from a Soviet soyuz launch vehicle as a Christmas gift. Makes for a great paperweight.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. Trump was “asking” American politicians, primarily Democrats, to “get help” with his deals over here, also. With cash donations. It’s how business is done in corrupt pervy poofter place New York and in corrupt Commie gangster places Russia and China.

    Besides the Magnitsky Act, I’d look at the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. Oddly podesta was lobbying for sberbank, the money for the dossier probably came from said oligarchs that was the intelligence that focused squirrel Ashley Parker, fusion is tied with derrick partners, which asems to do the same against Venezuelan dissidents.

    narciso (d1f714)

  12. Thank god we’re back on Russia again. All this crap about antifa, statues and hurricanes was getting on my nerves.

    This is what we’re dealing with in Putin. It’s no joke. The fact that we have a President who praises this man is a continual source of astonishment to me.

    I agree with Patterico. Trump has no business playing nice with a Russian head of state. Gotta remember he’s a bad guy and give him the *happyfeet* treatment. Trump should call him a “pooper” to his face! Then send him a recipe for some really crappy salsa.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  13. i don’t even make salsa I been making a lot of fauxcamole though and I bet Putin would appreciate this healthful alternative to the kind where you use the expensive imported avocados

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. So Simpson tells the tall tale that a republican donor started the dossier, but they had worked almost exclusively at cross purposes, but why does podesta get a subpoena mercury doesn’t get anythingand manafort gets a raid, explain that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. Neighbor makes a great beef stroganoff with noodles.

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. you can tell sleazy corrupt fbi turdboy Robert Mueller needs a lot of smoke Mr. narciso

    cause there’s no fire

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. Polkas.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  18. Neighbor makes a great beef stroganoff with noodles.

    Mr. 57 has an easy noodle recipe too what makes splendid use of hearty root vegetables

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. Interestingly Syria Iran Cuba and Venezuela regimes all client states of Russia, did very well in the last administration, something mcfaul dies his best squirrel to ignore.

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. Then you have to curious circustancr of Mr blavatsky fmrly of tnk Bo who cashed out to urchin, and lavished largess on among other Mr schneiderman (why does that name ting a bell?) yrs he gave to the GOP as well.

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. British petroleum and sechin (autocorrect is notoriously provincial, then we have the case of Mrs mensch who’s been shriejung about upcoming president hatch for months.

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. Neighbor makes a great beef stroganoff with noodles.

    Trump can’t send Stroganoff to a Russian! That is soooooo un-PC. They would throw feces on you for just saying that at Berkeley.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  23. Why do i call him fideloflake:
    babalublog.com/2017/08/29/jeff-flake-denounces-president-trump-for-pardoning-sheriff-arpaio-but-jeff-flake-cheered-obamas-release-of-cuban-terroristspies-convicted-of-espionage-and-conspiracy-to-murder-u-s-citizens

    narciso (d1f714)

  24. Why so link challenged narco? Take a night course or ask a ‘freund’.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  25. Ben, it is code we mundanes are not privy to.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  26. Samsung would be worth a surcharge; Daewoo, Hyundai and Kia not so much:
    http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  27. Bun burn needs to apply his Preparation H more liberally, I think. And get a life.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. The gist is in the headlines,one of the fellows who tortured at the Hanoi laogai is the transport minister in the regime.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. It’s how business is done in corrupt pervy poofter place New York

    Ok, of my fellow two Chicagoans, who is the real person and who’s the sock puppet?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  30. NK sees Trump as a Pervy, drunken relative but it’s HIS uncle so butt out you DNA superiors.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  31. @23- Yeah, but Ben:

    Donald Trump Job Approval by Party Identification, Aug. 21-27, 2017
    Weekly average from Gallup Daily tracking:
    Republicans: 78%

    Clearly Gallup finds the ‘party’ identifying w/Trump. So 3 out of 4– much to the horror of Ryan McConnell, etc.,– and the losing side in their civil war: the hard right ideologues.

    Go figure, eh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. Couldn’t find that link but Newsweek..

    “This month, only 63% of them said they approved of the job Trump was doing as president. (Remember, they all voted for him in November.) When asked if they would vote for Trump a second time, only 48% said yes, and only 12% said “definitely yes.” That’s not a reliable prediction of what they’ll do in 2020 if Trump runs for reelection, but it’s a pretty clear sign of buyer’s remorse.”

    I’m holding 5 cards that say 16% real support nationwide. Call or raise?

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  33. You mean like the son of the should-have-been VP under McShame?
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-rep-duncan-hunter-says-trumps-an-a-hole-but-hes-our-a-hole/article/2632768

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  34. @33. Google Gallup – the data is there.

    Trump at televised FEMA briefing– fidgeted through it as others talked. He clearly didn’t want to be bothered hearing all the details. Sadly funny.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. NO teleprompter…off the rails like a locomotive.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  36. What Gallup and WaPo look most to find are their MeprOBAMAte since Trump got elected.

    nk (dbc370)

  37. Data is there but the questioned lie a lot. They were probably asked while part of a Trump cofeklatch.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  38. @38- Not passing judgment on it, just sayin’ it’s screwy but explains the utter terror the powers that be have realizing their party ain’t what their cable TV channel on 6th Avenue has been telling them it was for years.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. Nice to see Russia back. I was feeling sorry for it. It was like everyone forgot about it for a couple weeks there. Do we think we’ll all forget about the Nazis while we talk about Russia, or will we be able to do both simultaneously?

    Or maybe we can fall back on the sexual harassment allegations and lawsuits we forgot about.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  40. Remember BENGHAAAZZZZEEEE! and WHITEWATER!!

    Oh, the nostalgia..

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  41. @41. Howzabout…. WATERGATE!! Seems apropos these days.

    Oh to treasure that ol’pet food bowl emblazoned with “Impooch With Honor.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. I want a Russian ‘Checkers ‘ speech with 5 o’clock shadow and flop-sweat!

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  43. Trump secures contract with major pet food manufacturer for Mira Lago.

    “Feed him Dr. Ross dog food, do him a favor..

    (Chorus)

    It’s got more me

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  44. It’s got more meat and it’s got more flavor.

    It’s got more meat to make him feel the way he sho–uld.

    Dr Ross dog food is doggone good.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  45. 15/45 comments by the same two spammers….

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  46. Woof!

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  47. Hey! We’re talking here.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  48. @43. LOLOL the “Crackers” speech; ‘Putin On The Ritz’ address from the Trump Tower lobby. And to sum up the visit to Corpus Christi: “Heck of a job, Clownie.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkers_speech

    Corruption: Presidential.prerogative

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  50. The leaders name is timochenko, I fear Santos is being taken advantage of:
    https://faustasblog.com/2017/08/colombia-farcs-listed-assets-fall-short/

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. Thesepah doesn’t merely blackmail the prosecutor:
    https://faustasblog.com/2017/08/argentina-did-iran-poison-nisman/

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Why don’t they call it General Alexander’s Stroganoff?

    He died of tuberculosis at age 43. That’s white privilege for you.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  53. if i got an email from Trump Organization to help on a deal I’d say how can I help you Mr. Trump?

    People helping other people

    that’s what it’s all about really

    you americans used to understand that

    you went out in the world unfurling your banners and setting up stakes with such enormous industry and enthusiasm

    oh how you built

    but now you just gawk as the bold chinesers do the things america is now too feeble and cowardly to do

    and you stammer your sad excuses

    President Trump, he harkens back to a different age

    and this is why cowardly weak trash like Mitt Romney and war hero John McCain hate him so much

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  54. Trump has left Corpus Christi. He fidgeted through a FEMA briefing, made a brief speech to a crowd of 200-500 people at the airport and then waved a Lone Star flag. He was there roughly two hours.

    AF1 is now in the air heading to Austin. Your tax dollars at work.

    “Heck of a job, Clownie.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. And now that Trump went there, the rain will stop and the flood waters will start to recede. Just wait and see, that’s what will happen. Thank you, Mr. President.

    nk (dbc370)

  56. Ben Burn

    I’m sure you know this but if you really want to see narciso’s link you could highlight it and copy and paste it into your browser. Unless you’re just a link nazi.

    There’s a guy dressed in all black behind you, lookout!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  57. If you have sex with Christina Wilkie you should use a condom because you don’t know if she has a social disease and why take chances.

    nk (dbc370)

  58. @57 History rhymes: the clouds will part and their Savior will descend on aluminum wings from the heavens to make his grand entrance:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvkPxxDC-jo

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. @44 Ben Burn

    So Mira Lago means,”Look at the lake, holmes!” Yes?

    Just sayin’.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  60. @58. There’s a guy dressed in all black behind you, lookout!

    Nein, PeePee. Today’s ensemble was a windbreaker, khakis and a hat reading USA 45.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. The first English (not subtitles) starts at 2 minutes and 30 seconds into the video.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  62. It’s almost like these guys are FB stalking their ex-wives. Why would you spend so much time watching someone you don’t like?

    Like Rita Rudner said,”I don’t even want to do something I like for 36 hours.”

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  63. Did someone pull your pin?

    “Hall monitor is serious this time, students. Don’t cross him”

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  64. Judge Dismisses Palin Defamation Suit Against NYT…

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  65. Do they make ankle armor?

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  66. @55

    Did he throw some dollar bills out a window like Abbie Hoffman?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  67. She knew she was a public figure, but like Trump, Palin thinks she’s ever the top expert. She just wants back in the news that doesn’t involve drunk in public complete with family fisticuffs.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  68. plus she almost killed Gabby Giffords

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. @55

    Are you just mad that Abbot and Trump didn’t bro-hug?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  70. One way to address “price-gouging” would be for Sessions to go around and seize assets. Some people don’t mind wealth redistribution if the cause be just.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  71. @67. Who would defame Michael Palin?

    Oh… ‘the other, other’ Palin.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  72. So it doesn’t matter that the lie as debunked 6 1/2 years ago, they still are entitled to slime you on the excuse of their failure of due diligence, what say you?

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. In our health care system crisis aren’t greedy hospitals and doctors price-gouging?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  74. @72- ‘Who Hugged First’ is destined to be an Abbott & Trump classic.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. @62

    Mission Accomplished.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  76. 75
    You don’t see how they have their cake, and eat It? But for Thy ox is a goring…

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  77. @80. It was a ‘touch and go.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. @66 Ben Burn

    Kids in the Hall Monitor

    “I’m crushing your head.”

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  79. @70 Ben Burn

    Yeah man. She’s asking for the Brigit Bardot treatment, man.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  80. 31/83 comments by the same two spammers…. 37.3% of comments up from 35.5%. That’s not a statistically significant change, so you can’t say the discourse is actually getting worse. So we have that going for us, which is nice.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  81. @68 Ben Burn

    Does your ankle monitor count?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  82. @56 “What a crowd! … What a turnout!” Too funny. Satire is dead, killed by DJT hisself. I knew it was possible (and something like it likely), but still half-thought this was a joke. And then the failamerica nytimes goes and reports it too, and the Dallas Morning News (3 hrs back) . . .

    (Of course, the DMN’s front-page headline at the moment is ‘One of the largest disasters America has ever faced’ – w/ no clarification of what (or whom) they’re referring to)

    Mort Sahl, Stan Freberg, Tom Lehrer, etc. etc. etc. An entire profession, made redundant due to America’s-Imminent-Being-Made-Great-Again Emcee, The Donald. “You’re Fired!” How edifying.

    Q! (267694)

  83. Pin..ketchup!

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  84. #44, #61, In Narciso-land, “Mira Lago” is just “Mi-RAH LaaahGo” without the spanglish but without the lecture by their blue-hairs cause they vote the right way.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  85. 84

    Ahhh. She’s preying in Public again.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  86. Q for fascist quisling.

    Colonel Haiku (74754c)

  87. @76

    Th-th-th-th-a-a-a-a-tuh-tuh-tuh wuh-wuh-wuh-wuh-wuh-wuh-wuz f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-fuh-fuh-fuh-fuh fuh-nny.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  88. It was a exotic affectation that marjorie post like hearst had zanado, it means hare lake

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. An entire profession, made redundant due to America’s-Imminent-Being-Made-Great-Again Emcee

    All that water for him to walk on…

    Dave (445e97)

  90. But there was nothing funny about Obama,

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. Narciso,

    I find his hysterical over-investment in BLM thugs as a whipping tool for blacks followed by the boomerang clipping Clinton rather amusing.

    Rick Ballard (48cc19)

  92. So basically Trump did the same thing he and other businessmen, many of whom were friends and associates of William Jefferson Clinton, did which is to say he pursued business interests in post-Soviet Russia. He then abandoned this one several months after jumping into presidential politics. This leak may keep hope alive in the swamp for a Mueller takedown of our never-acceptable occupant of the oval office but this doesn’t look like the dagger that’s going to do it.

    If Trump’s a tool of Russian espionage the national security establishment has had plenty of time to produce something more than gossip and innuendo. They should quit screwing around and get ‘er done one way or the other.

    crazy (11d38b)

  93. All this Watergate nostalgia is sad to me.

    It’s like the 16 year wait after Return of the Jedi that yielded The Phantom Menace.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  94. Its like when they remade witch mountain, with dWayne Johnson.

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. @81 Ben Burn

    If Rob Zombie made Oxy-Gore-On I’d watch it in a heartbeat.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  96. Nostalgia us about remembering the good things, pin. Is there a problem?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  97. @82 “It’s touch and go.”

    “Oh oh oh.” Ric Ocasek

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  98. Wonder if the Trump Organization has offered up its fleet of private fixed wing aircraft and choppers to help rescue, ferry personnel and supplies in Texas.

    Perhaps they’re just waiting to lease them to FEMA at the right price. The ‘art of the deal’ is colored red, white and blue… and green.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  99. He’s not a politician or a populist..

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/29/trump-tax-overhaul-populism-242134

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  100. 105..

    Chapter 7 ‘Art of the Schlemiel’

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  101. Marjorie Post married E. F. Hutton and was never heard from again.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  102. Carole Bayer-Sager married Leo Sayer, now she’s Carole Bager-Sager-Sayer.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  103. “You don’t see how they have their cake, and eat It? But for Thy ox is a goring…”

    Seriously. What’s in conservative ideology that helps the working stiff?

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  104. There was a 2 or 3 star family-focused Mar-A-Lago hotel in Kissimmee. Speaking of the Leo Sayer bracket of singer/composer mack-itude, nothing gets the bro high five more than Richard Marx nabbing Daisy Fuentes.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  105. In Mar-a-lago did Marjorie Post

    A stately Spanish home decree

    Where the Intercostal Waterway runs

    Through canals featureless to man

    Into the sea

    [I wonder who is at the door?]

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  106. Daisy Fuentes? Good on ‘im.

    Mnuchin got his trophywife from songwriting, or short-selling the Music.

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  107. that’s a lovely vision

    enchanting and seductive

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  108. meanwhile the corrupt comey fbi’s still protecting hillary

    and all them slimy little fbi turdboys gonna want a sweet sweet pension for doing it

    but an international property development company made some inquiries about developing property, and all those emails are of course public

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  109. I recall hearing people said nice things about Stalin, while most of the German army was in Russia.

    Richard Aubrey (0d7df4)

  110. ohnoes

    looks like ladyboy pervert General Mattis is pouting cause President Trump wants to take his trannies away

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  111. The project appears to have gone nowhere.

    It was going nowhere since at least 2008. For some reason, they were stringing him along for years.

    The only thing that seems ever to have happened as the result of Trump’s interest in doing something in Russia – which went back, by the way, till the time when it was still the Soviet Union, to 1987 – was the holding of the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow, in 2013.

    Trump’s lawyer, it seems, tried to point out to someone in Russia (Putin’s personal spokesman, Dmitry Peskov) in January, 2016, that Putin was supporting Trump for president, but not even that got things going.

    Finally, toward the end of the month, he pulled the plug. (the lawyer did)

    Sammy Finkelman (aaadb3)

  112. 119 comments and no real response to any of the very mild and reasonable things I actually said in the post.

    This commentariat used to do better.

    Does everyone here know Sergei Magnitsky’s story? Am I the only one who didn’t know it?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  113. If they had such a solid connection, why did they need a email, why didn’t they use manafort or page, because there is no such smoking gun,

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. @120. But what’s your point- everyone pretty much know the score w/Putin and the big picture. We’re just waiting for the other shoe to drop on Trump. And Mueller’s likely has it — or will get it in his hands soon.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  115. Who is alleging a solid connection?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  116. @120. But what’s your point- everyone pretty much know the score w/Putin and the big picture.

    My point is articulated in the post.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  117. i have thing i do

    a thing i do faithfully

    I get up in the morning and make some nespresso brand coffee

    and i sit down at my internet and where do i go first?

    i go to Mr. Instapundit’s site and I scroll

    i scroll like a deadsy!

    and my clickings there – sometimes it’s something of particular interest and i read about whatever it may be

    but the rule i follow

    is i look at each link and I say to myself

    do I want the sleazy wapo nyt cnn fake news propaganda sluts to know people are clicking on this link from wherever it may be that has a story you know darn well the Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts aren’t covering?

    if it passes that test i click – whether i read the story or not

    whereas Mr. P you and Dana seem to be in the habit of scrolling through wapo nyt fake news looking for something you can do on President Trump during a hurricane

    so that would be a difference not a similarity between me and you guys

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  118. @123- That’s a solid, legitimate legal POV; OTOH obviously there’s plenty of smoke so it’s circumstantial for lay folk – but the case seems to be building. It took from June ’73 ’til August of ’74 to for Nixon to resign by his own hand and it was a smoking gun that did it. In this day and age, the trail will be emails and financial records. Patience.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. whereas Mr. P you and Dana seem to be in the habit of scrolling through wapo nyt fake news

    There is nothing “fake” about this story. The emails were submitted to Congress and nobody is denying they are real.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  120. The U.S. has a bad attachment to Russian leaders for 30 years now, first it was Gorbachev then yeltsin, then Putin, the last is a vor (mob boss) who thinks himself czar.
    He arose in part of the chaos that Jeffrey Sachs tweed mafia unleashed.

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. the import is dummied up

    especially in context of Mr. Harvey

    and all the baleful soggy

    the context of real things what affect real people

    the contrast could not be more stark

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  122. You set us an impossible task, Patterico. “What makes Trump’s mouth run?”

    After the election, he was asked whether he would “lock her [Hillary] up”. He answered that the Clintons are “good people”. When Obama was doing everything he could to derail the transition, he said nice things about Obama. And I mention these two things because of their similarity to his praise of Putin, but there’s thousands more eyebrow-raising things that have come out of his mouth and his Twitter?

    Money? Genuine admiration for a KGB thug? A good meatloaf with ketchup at lunch? Who knows? Who can say?

    nk (dbc370)

  123. If I could, I would strap happyfeet down Clockwork Orange style and pry his eyes open whilst dropping drops of moisture into them while making him watch the video embedded in this post.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  124. And it seems he racked up a few scalps, I figure litvinenko and politskayava and nemtsov are definite, others like berezovsky are more speculative, then there’s lesin who the last administration was surprisingly reluctant in investigating. Then again looking the other way from smolensk to havana to Tehran to Damascus was becoming a bad habit.

    narciso (d1f714)

  125. drops of moisture

    we have a corrupt and out of control intelligence and security apparatus of our own to worry about Mr. Patterico

    because of their similarity to his praise of Putin

    my favorite was about the taco salad i have a new downtown taco salad place cause of him! (nothing against the old one)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  126. The fact a ‘deal’ wasn’t consummated doesn’t mean there wasn’t an intent to deal.

    Negotiating for a deal is dealing. That’s the flaw in the Tammy Faye Conway’s spin.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  127. we have a corrupt and out of control intelligence and security apparatus of our own to worry about Mr. Patterico

    intelligence and security apparatus

    You misspelled “President”

    Patterico (115b1f)

  128. 131 ROFLMAOPIP

    Honestly, I’m laughing outloud here.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. The fact a ‘deal’ wasn’t consummated doesn’t mean there wasn’t an intent to deal.

    Bingo. The fact that this guy remains a financial beneficiary of his companies makes suspect everything he does. Americans can’t know if he’s trying to make America great again or make his bank account greater.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  130. In the 30s the cheka pursued dissidents abroad like the white Russians in Paris, and racked up quite a body count in country, in the 50s they went after Bandera on the 70s Markov, the gulag archipelagi was running like horatio canine said “we never close”

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. I listened to Dana Rohrbacher explain the other day, that his committee appointment requires that he meet regularly with Russians of all stripes.
    My guess is that whoever runs the Eastern European dept of Trump Inc often calls Russians and lobbies them.
    My other guess would be that whoever at Trump inc is in charge of the sub Saharan interests of Trump Inc has lobbied someone affliated with Robert Mugabe… someone Rex Tillerson has probably had goat with.

    This whole issue has left me *almost* speechless. My personal finances don’t require dealing with shady internationals. I can unwind the entirety of my holdings between 6:45AM and 7AM EST tomorrow and not put a blip on the NASDAQ.. not a blip on my portfolio either.
    Trump Inc? could take years to unwind

    steveg (e8c34d)

  132. President Trump isn’t corrupt he’s untainted as a dewy lily at dawn

    he’s rolling back oppressive regulations

    he won’t stop til king putt’s legacy is gone

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  133. @137- Yeah, even Fox News brought that up to Conway. If you’re dealing for a deal, you dealing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. Americans can’t know if he’s trying to make America great again or make his bank account greater.

    Well, Mar-A-Lago fee increases could be a hint for starters…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. And like I say cabellos dgi trained military and sebin has killed 100 or so students and other activists it’s an afterthought that only prompts sasse to action when trump suggests the current practices aren’t doing the job, across the border, pastrana and uribe were in maralago appraising of the build up of the fmr?? Farc who are taking a pause

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. Payas a gentle soul he might have been my paisans havel or orban was run off the road, And the only press the story was the sjw heckling at the funeral, of course seeing that Rhodes was the one trusted with outreach he missed thosr detail in Tehran as well as havana.

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. In Joe Arpaio’s jails, the “suicide” rate was four times that of Cook County Jail. Included in a total death rate of 157 prisoners during his tenure. In David Clarke’s jail, a prisoner was locked up in solitary for seven days without water. He did not survive the experience. What Putin did to Magnitsky only puts Putin in the same category as other of Trump’s friends, it seems to me.

    nk (dbc370)

  138. Well
    We do know that both the Clintons and Obamas grew their wealth at a huge growth rate after taking office. Al Gore leveraged VP into $500M.
    Sure Trump In in a blind trust could probably leverage a couple billion, but if Trump behaved like the Clintons, obamas or gore, percentage-wise he’d leave the WH with $400B.

    It is impossible for Trump Inc not to make money, because people will toss money at it “thinking” they will get access or some smidgeon of favoritism even if there is, in fact, no favoritism

    steveg (e8c34d)

  139. #131
    Patterico intends to torture HF by sewing his eyes open and waterboarding his eyes.
    Plus putting him in a re-education camp watching “Russian Collusion Pron”

    Very unseemly.

    I think put on some music, play a little bocce ball with the Simon Jester, have two beers and rethink this horror you’d wreak on a guy named after an innocent little cartoon penguin

    steveg (e8c34d)

  140. Manbearpig played mad shy dragon prophet and sold out ti Qatar with his penny ante network that dealt in some lives matter as well as salami agitation. Did I point out which firm is enmeshed in third party interests with doha, getting flynn gorka Harvey out of the way who does that benefit?

    narciso (d1f714)

  141. In the meantime, hit that Amazon widget over there and buy yourself the stars and bars along with a Robt. E. Lee lava lamp so Patterico has to denounce you and divest the sordid proceeds.
    If everyone across the alt-right spectrum and beyond does this, I assume Patterico Inc. will be swimming in cash and also swimming in denouncements and divestitures necessitating hiring a new vp to run the dept of denouncements and divestitures. Maybe a pre op transsexual whose surgery will completely break the Patterico Inc health insurance budget will apply for the job.

    steveg (e8c34d)

  142. Or just keep the cash and tell everyone asking for denouncements and divestitures to go “f” themselves

    steveg (e8c34d)

  143. Plus putting him in a re-education camp watching “Russian Collusion Pron”

    In all seriousness, the YouTube video in this post has zero to do with allegations of Russian collusion.

    It’s a story about how Vladimir Putin tortured and killed a patriotic citizen for uncovering a massive fraud on the Russian government. Clearly, Putin was part of the fraud.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  144. Mr. Seth Rich

    like this Magnitsky feller he’s not a particularly sprightly one is he

    not so’s you could tell anyway

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. Is thereca motor plausible way the emails were transmitted well thecawan bros who honeycombed capital hill suggest so, oddly there is one reporter working on that story.

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. I guess this carp has to be but out there because reaknnees is too relevant

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Debradelai/status/902708604125503488?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. Ok. This is stupid AND crazy. They WANT elections compromised and worse..
    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/348438-tillerson-moves-to-close-state-cyber-office

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  148. “The NYT republished fragments of two of the emails. Here’s the key one:

    Michael I arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putins [sic] private chair at his desk and office in the Kremlin. I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected. We both know no one else knows how to pull this off without stupidity or greed getting in the way. I know how to play it and we will get this done. Buddy our boy can become President of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get Putins [sic] team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/08/29/how-does-inking-a-luxury-residential-real-estate-deal-get-you-elected-president-in-the-us-i-mean/

    Ben burn (3d526b)

  149. “If I could, I would strap happyfeet down Clockwork Orange style and pry his eyes open whilst dropping drops of moisture into them while making him watch the video embedded in this post.”

    Or you could, you know, watch the hour-long video yourself and quote the most relevant excerpts, maybe form like a ‘brief’ to ‘convince’ a ‘jury’ or something. Would require knowledge of both the subject and your commenters!

    Forcing people to watch their cruddy overlong videos is what advertising agencies and poorly-trained propagandists want, but that business model is looooooooooong gone unless you’re doing Let’s Plays to game the Youtube ‘engagement’ algorithm.

    Dinosaurs, man.

    Dysphoria Sam (4071c5)

  150. Where is a summary from last year, when there was no trump tie:

    ww.thedailybeast.com/putins-dirty-game-in-the-us-congressa

    Of course the firm they retained to combat it was the one behind the dossier

    narciso (d1f714)

  151. I see the pleb-tier mindset is out in force today.

    137: This lazy analysis literally means that no one with an international business could ever run for president or other high offices due to MIGHT HAVE COLLUDED, DIFFICULT TO SAY, PLEASE GIVE US LAWYERS LOTS OF MONEY TO INVESTIGATE AND MEDDLE WITH THE ISSUE FOREVER.

    Counter-point: Defense attornies collude with criminal scum on a daily and ongoing basis, we should bar them from running for office!

    151: Putin has done directly what racial grievance-mongers have been doing indirectly for years(more successfully and thoroughly, I might add.) All persistent government fraud MUST be read as actual government policy, and thus the government WILL violently resist efforts to force principles on the unprincipled exceptions that keep everything running.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/002053.html

    142: This is the highest-risk ‘make your bank account great again’ strategy I’ve ever seen, when someone leaves his own throne to accept power and rule, maybe he’s not doing it for money he couldn’t get elsewhere.

    155: Tillerson’s job is to give the State Department its reckoning for its history of wrecking. He’s going about it admirably.

    Dysphoria Sam (4071c5)

  152. Oh, and 135 takes the cake for Patterico’s history of blaming underlings and departments the target didn’t hire or have any sort of effective direct managerial control over (save those tricks for a jury of fellow low-ranked people who don’t have to deal with Beltway politics and balancing interest groups.)

    runaway military-industrial complex control way more important and difficult than nuclear arms control and way more comprehensively dangerous and open to sabotage.

    Dysphoria Sam (4071c5)

  153. Tretyakov, hi died the same day, the Chapman ring returned tonmoscow, told howceasy a mark strobe talbitt was

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. David Satter sounds like a Russian version of a 9/11 truther if he’s blaming every single high-profile terrorist attack on the Kremlin.

    Dysphoria Sam (4071c5)

  155. Well his blaming the events that stemmed from ryazan, the ft benning of Russia, some like the late poliskayava did blame every event on putin

    narciso (d1f714)

  156. Correction 119.

    I said:

    Trump’s lawyer, it seems, tried to point out to someone in Russia (Putin’s personal spokesman, Dmitry Peskov) in January, 2016, that Putin was supporting Trump for president, but not even that got things going.

    This is not correct. Trump’s lawyer didn’t say that. He wrote (Putin’s personal spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, at the instigation of Felix Sater, but apaprently didn’t mention anything about how Putin likes Trump. He got no reply.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  157. 161.

    If Russia’s rulers committed terrorist acts against their own people in order to come to power, it means that they differ little from those who place car bombs in crowded markets in order to polarize Shiites and Sunnis. I think it is obvious that such people cannot be reliable partners in the war on terror.

    Morally. They may not be doing it as often/

    But the truth is I don’t think it stopped there and the Charlie Hebdo and the related kosher market attack was probably a Russian false flag operation.

    You had terrorists working togetehr who thought they each worked for different organizations, and they used the wrong names for those organizations. Theer was no al Qaeda in Yemen – its al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. And ISIS was not using the name ISIS.

    Russia would have been told who had arecord of terrorism – taht’s list of people to try to recruit.

    It looks very similair to the Moscow bombings – just like there Putin wanted people to support giving him aleadership role in the war on terrorism.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  158. Sammy is a bit touched.

    Even if somehow RUSSIA INSTIGATED EVERY MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK IN EUROPE (again, massive, MASSIVE Truther territory here,) the worst you could say about Russia is that they’re only about as reliable as Saudi Arabia when it comes to being war on terror allies.

    Also nobody ever claimed to be loyal to ‘the Arabian Peninsula’ rather than the crazy Yemeni gangstas on the tip and wikipedia also sez you’re wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

    “In April 2013, having expanded into Syria, the group adopted the name ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī ‘l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām (الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام‎). As al-Shām is a region often compared with the Levant or Greater Syria, the group’s name has been variously translated as “Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham”,[72] “Islamic State of Iraq and Syria”[73] (both abbreviated as ISIS), or “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant” (abbreviated as ISIL).”

    Dysphoria Sam (4071c5)

  159. Samneh quibbles that’s his lot, you can say that putin like the prerevolutionaty okrana which had at least one agent in the social revolutionaries can be ruthless, but also nit deny that basayev, khattab and other figures wanted to follow what they had seem succeed in Afghanistan. Some critics don’t want to concede that much. Russian zachistas, the devdochina (which is their near fatal hazing of recruits is typuvam of their mo

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. What makes Putin “good” in the war against terrorism is that he didn’t let the Soviet Muslim republics, Chechnya and Dagestan to name two, become like Afghanistan — havens for terrorists.

    nk (dbc370)

  161. Thanks for recognizing that my level of serious never got above 50%

    steveg (e8c34d)

  162. I would be 100% serious in saying that a person involved in the business development division of Trump Inc. had every reason to attempt to lobby Russians.

    steveg (e8c34d)

  163. Can you imagine if David Axelrod and Barack Obama were asking Putin’s political mouthpiece for assistance on, say, Obama’s mortgage? Remember all the anger on the right about Obama’s sweetheart deal for that residence in Chicago?

    “oh, but Trump has to do this stuff”

    Somehow George W Bush avoided it, and he had substantial businesses. Businesses that he put aside so that he could be focused on the presidency, as though he was honored to have that job (rather than the job being honored to have him).

    the worst you could say about Russia is that they’re only about as reliable as Saudi Arabia

    Actually, Russia is responsible for immense levels of death for the sake of political power, and this comparison shouldn’t forgive that just for… well politics.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  164. I love that there are people in this thread using the expression “fake news” to describe information that is 100% accurate but makes Trump look bad. There’s no debating someone who has been brainwashed into thinking any reality that doesn’t make Dear Leader look good is “fake news.”

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  165. Dustin, I was no where near special. But I’m the last person you need to tell any of this.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  166. You were the one touting the October surprise, which comes from fantasists like air Ben menashe and Richard brenneke.

    If what is good for the gander, w’s initial project spectrum 7 was funded by two players in bcci, rahod pharaoh and Khalid bin mahfouz, the was related to the golden chain.

    narciso (d1f714)

  167. There is also no debating anyone who has been brainwashed into thinking any reality that makes any leftist look good isn’t fake news or that constantly diminishing Trump is 100% accurate. For example, calling the President of the United States “Dear Leader” like a North Korean communist thug is Fake News.

    173.I love that there are people in this thread using the expression “fake news” to describe information that is 100% accurate but makes Trump look bad.

    Please cite said “information that is 100% accurate” that someone here called fake news.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  168. Thing is, America may be putt-putting down the highway in ’73 Pinto, but we don’t need no brioche munchers and Perrier sippers in their Priuses, Mini Coopers, and gold-trimmed Escalades trying to run it off the road. And maybe those of us in the pickup trucks and four-door sedans and minivans might try to block them or at least honk our horns. Hmm?

    nk (dbc370)

  169. It does strike me, that aftervwe discovered loony Louise’s transmissions from her tooth fillings ended up in the times, one should be a little cautious about sourcing. Specially when. Consider who wee behind the dossier.

    narciso (d1f714)

  170. nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:23 am

    What an interesting analogy, nk. In the American motorcade, I imagine I am somewhere in the rear “with the gear.”

    Of course, in addition to the aforementioned Priuses, Mini Coopers, and gold-trimmed Escalades, we have the “Mad Max” vehicles – I can hear them revving – on this thread.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  171. A colleague just burst in upon me to say that all the gas stations between her house (in central Texas) and our offices are out of gas. She is in a panic.

    It is bad enough that she barely sleeps because of her family’s suffering in Houston (they are all flooded), with her brother’s condo near the beach totally wiped out. She says she blames me for not telling her this might happen. I had the presence of mind to fill up while there was gas – but then, that was a lesson I learned way back during the oil embargo.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  172. sorry, that comment was meant for the flood thread.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  173. It does strike me, that aftervwe discovered loony Louise’s transmissions from her tooth fillings ended up in the times, one should be a little cautious about sourcing. Specially when. Consider who wee behind the dossier.

    narciso (d1f714) — 8/31/2017 @ 6:25 am

    What fact in the story do you dispute? It’s all verified. It’s public record. This isn’t some leak. Fake news! Fake news! starts to sound like a bumper sticker level argument when we’re told to wait and see on any negative fact about Trump that’s already proven.

    And again, had this been a democrat president, everyone defending it would be critical of it. This is a mix of partisanship and the special cult of personality that Dear Leader Trump enjoys.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  174. A colleague just burst in upon me to say that all the gas stations between her house (in central Texas) and our offices are out of gas. She is in a panic.

    Yeah, several stations around here are out. It will get fixed soon, but I wouldn’t let my tank get below half until it’s stabilized.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  175. The Presidency *is* a cult of personality – to the opposition. Part popularity contest, and part endurance contest. It just seems more so lately because the world is shrinking.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  176. Available fuel is being diverted to where it is needed most, perhaps. In which case I fully support the effort.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  177. ” I had the presence of mind to fill up while there was gas – but then, that was a lesson I learned way back during the oil embargo.”

    With age and experience comes wisdom… we take so much for granted.

    Colonel Haiku (e0ff3c)

  178. Probably a good plan to keep at least a 1/2 to 3/4 tank on all vehicles as a SMOP.

    Colonel Haiku (e0ff3c)

  179. True, Colonel. There was a time, when age spoke youth listened. I know I listened (and still do) to my elders.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  180. I top off at around 160 miles. No hardship because I buy my weekly pack of Marlboro at that same gas station anyway.

    nk (dbc370)

  181. The Presidency *is* a cult of personality – to the opposition. Part popularity contest, and part endurance contest. It just seems more so lately because the world is shrinking.

    felipe (b5e0f4) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:25 am

    I would say Obama’s was worse. Benghazi is actually a really good example of a provable failure, terrible leadership, and to Obama’s fans it’s actually a story about how wicked Fox News is for talking about it.

    A lot of Americans worship their leaders now. Trump’s set do bug me more. Not just because I’m on the right and supposedly his fans are on the right, but something else I can’t really put my finger on. Oh yeah, the antisemites.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  182. There was a time, when age spoke youth listened. I know I listened (and still do) to my elders.

    Old people love to give good advice; it compensates them for their inability to [any longer] set a bad example. — François de La Rochefoucauld

    nk (dbc370)

  183. A lot of Americans worship their leaders now.
    Dustin (ba94b2) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:36 am

    Completely agree.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  184. Put it another way, would we have been better off with Clayton williams

    narciso (6abcfe)

  185. I guess it must be good to not be jaded by everything, the way I seem to be. To believe in Trump is silly. But I guess it’s nice for those who can do so without hatred and malice in their hearts.

    A lot of Trump’s fans seem to just like the turnabout we’ll get you back thing.

    Again, much like Obama’s fans, who saw that administration as a slap in the face of the Bush administration.

    Maybe I’m biased, but I didn’t see anything relating to Bush as an insult to Clinton. I also wasn’t jaded so much back then!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  186. nk (dbc370) — 8/31/2017 @ 7:39 am

    Great quote.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  187. 187 the opposite of that is I told people was “a minority gas tank”. Of course when I lived at home it always stayed half full of Gold or Premium.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  188. NK, I might have went with gold-rimmed Camry, as emblematic of a black female teacher, HR, or bureucrat. I generally steer clear of the Escalade as they tend to be thug cars often driven by the female half of a bad couple who is wont to flip the thing over on a bad turn.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  189. Escalade as they tend to be thug cars

    That’s what I meant.

    An apt description of the Escalade I read: A Cadillac without the comfort or elegance of a Cadillac.

    nk (dbc370)

  190. 120. Patterico (115b1f) — 8/29/2017 @ 7:38 pm

    Does everyone here know Sergei Magnitsky’s story? Am I the only one who didn’t know it?

    I knew it approximately. He was a lawyer working for someone from whom the Russian government stole his company – he was getting some success in getting to the bottom of it, and was arrested and basically by the Russian government – Senator McCain was instrumental in imposing sanctions on Russia for that – targeting some individuals, Putin retaliated by abruptly stopping all American adoptions from Russia.

    I bought the book, after first ordering the wrong book (which also had the title re Notice) I didn’t read much of it yet.

    Maybe I gained a little more from the first minutes of the video which said he was one of seven lawyers – the only one who did not flee Russia – and that $200 million plus was really stolen from the Russian government, not the company. At first, Magnitsky thought Putin would be interested in that.

    Sammy Finkelman (5fb112)

  191. arrested AND KILLED IN PRISON

    Now the government of China des not feel impelled to engage in quite that uch subterfuge, and they don’t find it necessary to kill the lawyers they arrest. They also arrest a lot more of them.

    Sammy Finkelman (5fb112)

  192. calling the President of the United States “Dear Leader” like a North Korean communist thug is Fake News

    It’s perfectly appropriate to refer to Trump that way given how some people view him. As a handy example, let me present Mr. Happyfeet. The Jacksonian presidency that Trump seems to admire has at its core the strong leader behind whom the people rally to achieve prosperity and strength. Jackson took it as far as the Republic would let him–not very far by our standards, but enough to make opponents call him “King Andrew”. It keeps showing up from time to time, as with both Roosevelts.

    I’ve used the phrase to refer to Trump. But it also applies to the guy who occupied the Oval Office before him. I’m pretty sure if you were silly enough to search through my comments you’d find me using the phrase at leasst a couple of times in reference to Obama.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  193. A lot of Americans worship their leaders now. Trump’s set do bug me more. Not just because I’m on the right and supposedly his fans are on the right, but something else I can’t really put my finger on. Oh yeah, the antisemites.

    I agree with most of that. But it’s not the antisemites (although being Jewish watching a bunch of guys marching around shouting “Jews will not replace us” has an immediacy of threat not present with the antifa thugs). It’s the fact that the right spent eight years jeering at those on the Left who hero-worshipped Obama–and now some of those same people are angry thatg Trump does not receive the same level of hero-worship.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  194. on TRUMP the solid rock i stand all other ground is sinking sand

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. @203 – Oh sweetum-tootsies. Oooh!

    on TRUMP the solid rock i stand all other ground is sinking sand
    That’s one of the saddest things I’ve ever ever heard. There, you’ve gone and made me actually feel sorry for you. Unforgivable, really.

    Q! (267694)

  196. 146 Praise ye the Lord. Praise the Lord, O my soul.

    2 While I live will I praise the Lord: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.

    3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

    4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

    5 Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God:

    6 Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever:

    7 Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The Lord looseth the prisoners:

    8 The Lord openeth the eyes of the blind: the Lord raiseth them that are bowed down: the Lord loveth the righteous:

    9 The Lord preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.

    10 The Lord shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the Lord.

    kishnevi (bb03e6)

  197. Amen, Kishnevi.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  198. _()_

    but if it doesnt change over into an emoji, you know what I meant, kishnevi.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  199. 166. 167. Dysphoria Sam (4071c5) — 8/30/2017 @ 6:52 pm

    Sammy is a bit touched.

    Even if somehow RUSSIA INSTIGATED EVERY MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK IN EUROPE (again, massive, MASSIVE Truther territory here,)

    No, not every major terrrorist attack in Europe. Just maybe anything run out of Belguim, or with Chechens were involved in the chain of command or supplying guns..

    the worst you could say about Russia is that they’re only about as reliable as Saudi Arabia when it comes to being war on terror allies.

    Saudi Arabia does instigate terrrorist attacks too, but they always stop them before they happen – that’s one of the reasons they are perceived as an important ally. I’m talking about terrorist attacks outside of the Middle East. Russia lets them take place.

    Also nobody ever claimed to be loyal to ‘the Arabian Peninsula’ rather than the crazy Yemeni gangstas on the tip and wikipedia also sez you’re wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

    The Cahrlkie hebdo atttackers said they were acting on behalf of “al Qaeda in yemen” But al Qaeda in yemen called itself “al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula” Somebody actually being commanded by this organziation should have used the right name.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_the_Arabian_Peninsula

    The Charlie Hebdo attackers were working togetehr with someone who said he was loyal to ISIS. Now there are two problems with that. al Qaeda and ISIS were enemies by that time, and ISIS had renamed itself Islamic State. The name whose translation was abbreviated into ISIS or ISIL was used only for a few months in the spring of 2014, (or possibly going back to April, 2013) but the name stuck in the west.

    Now when did the Charlie Hebdo and kosher grocery attacks take place?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

    That’s right, January, 2015. No person working for the real ISIS would have called it ISIS.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

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