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8/17/2017

Senator Tim Scott: President Trump’s “Moral Authority Is Compromised” by Charlottesville Comments

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:59 pm

Vice News interviewed Senator Tim Scott today, and Senator Scott had some criticism for Donald Trump’s recent comments about Charlottesville:

SEN. SCOTT: I am not going to defend the indefensible. I’m not here to do that. I’m here to be clear, and to be concise and succinct. His comments on Monday were strong. His comments on Tuesday started erasing the comments that were strong. What we want to see from our president is clarity and moral authority. And that moral authority is compromised when Tuesday happens. There’s no question about that. We should all call that on the carpet. I certainly have.

INTERVIEWER: So does the president have moral authority now?

SEN. SCOTT: I think he has it. He’s losing a part of it.

INTERVIEWER: He has it? You think so?

SEN. SCOTT: Abso — he’s, we elected him as President so there’s no question that we gave him moral authority. The problem is that in this situation, in the last three or four days, what we’ve seen is that moral authority being compromised by the lack of clarity, by what we have seen as the, a pivot backwards, which is very unsettling for many Americans, to include me.

You can watch more than the excerpt I have provided by scrolling backwards or forwards in the video.

Regardless of your views of the specifics of Trump’s comments, they have been a giant distraction from moving policy forward on things like ObamaCare repeal or tax reform. Senator Scott isn’t making headlines for talking tax reform today. He’s making headlines for criticizing the comments from the President of his own party.

This keeps happening. And guess what?

It’s never going to stop, as long as Donald Trump is President.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

179 Responses to “Senator Tim Scott: President Trump’s “Moral Authority Is Compromised” by Charlottesville Comments”

  1. Trump’s statements that the statues were “beautiful” disgusts me. Just STFU.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  2. As ‘giant distractions’ go, that’s an understatement:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. “It’s never going to stop, as long as a Republican is President.”

    FYP

    Meanwhile – Wolf Blitzer wonders whether the Barcelona mass murder by vehicle was a “copycat of Charlottesville.”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/17/wolf-blitzer-people-will-ask-barcelona-terror-attack-copycat-charlottesville/

    harkin (dec327)

  4. This assumes that Trump and the Trumpniki care about “moral authority”. I think they don’t. Or perhaps they do: but they think of moral authority differently. For them moral authority comes from bashing sacred cows of the political elite. On which score Trump is exceeding expectations.

    kishnevi (87495e)

  5. good for Mr. Trump

    sleazy cowardly senate trash gonna be sleazy and trashy

    good on President Trump for taking the high road

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. Vice News btw also recommends we blow up Mt. Rushmore Taliban-style

    i got your moral authority right here Timmah

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. btw wasn’t HBO last seen regaling harvardtrash Ben Sasse with n-word jokes?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. My favorite part of the election was when the party of family values and religion voted for a mammon worshiping serial adulterer.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  9. My favorite part was when that diseased stinky pig-woman lost and captain’s food stamp’s legacy went poof like this

    **POOOOOF!**

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. ugh *captain* food stamp’s legacy I mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. I expected that kind of no-effort response, and I was not disappointed.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  12. :)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. Whereas the Republican Senate signed off on the Rhodes road show, beginning with star popinjay corker, another waste of breath. But sasse can waste time slamming the door in Venezuela,

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. The deal struck by GOP voters was that pragmatism (the urgency of beating HRC) trumped the lousy person DJT is.

    It’s not often a Reagan comes along who is suffused with humble morality and common sense. The super difficult truth for the DJT true believers is they got neither with the Donald.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  15. In the dead in Venezuela, that is the work of the black bloc when they are deputized instead of merely assaulting Charles Murray they shoot them with a long gun.

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. They have wasted their time with this Russian investigation which seems to be the only they are concerned with for any length of time.

    narciso (d1f714)

  17. “It’s never going to stop, as long as Donald Trump is President.”

    Quite right, but it wouldn’t matter what Trump said or did.

    Go on tell me I’m wrong, write the script that Trump could read for you that would earn him praise from the Dems and the treacherous lot in the Republican party. I wait with hungry eyes for the honeyed words that Trump could use to persuade them.

    Fred Z (05d938)

  18. We want to pretend that Michael signer did not let the black bloc run rampant an that helped claim the life of Heather heyer.

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. With an executive order signed yesterday, President Donald Trump has set out to speed up the approval process for major infrastructure projects, including oil and gas pipelines.

    […]

    According to Trump, however, “This over-regulated permitting process is a massive self-inflicted wound on our country. It’s disgraceful.”

    The President added, “This is going to happen quickly, that’s what I’m signing today. So it’s going to be quick, it’s going to be a very streamlined process. And by the way, if it doesn’t meet environmental safeguards, we’re not going to approve it. It’s very simple. We’re not going to approve it.”

    that’s very moral i think

    and also rambunctiously authoritative

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. @17

    Your argument is “why bother being moral if the Democrats won’t give us credit for it”.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  21. The truth is as long they get their piece of the action, they are fine with obamacare melting down, same with tax reform lying stagnant.

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. Trumprades, disown the Glorified Redneck or live with the well-deserved “RepubliKlans” moniker. Captain Chaos is forcing you to choose.
    All this boils down to more chaos and turmoil: it looks like the Kremlin is pulling the strings, again.

    Tillman (a95660)

  23. , “This is going to happen quickly, that’s what I’m signing today. So it’s going to be quick, it’s going to be a very streamlined process. And by the way, if it doesn’t meet environmental safeguards, we’re not going to approve it. It’s very simple. We’re not going to approve it.”

    I am sure Trump is happy to preside over giving out pork. Did you notice the royal “we” there?

    Of course, environmental permitting is the chief instrument of slowing down the process. But His Trumpness is above petty details.

    kishnevi (092167)

  24. as am i

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. Clearly he means streamlining so industries are not subject to for instance, the guy who wanted to crucify polluters to make an exAmple.

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. It waste monies on this antiterrorism policy that did nothing to identify much less stop terrorists.

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. Moral authority? Really? Nope. Argument by authority. What Tim Scott means is that, as President, Trump should say what Tim Scott wants him to say because what he says is persuasive because he is President.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. That seems to be it, nk, Ted Cruz understands what is at stake his supposed supporters in the SenAte were too preoccupied to care.

    narciso (d1f714)

  29. @20: Most of what Trump says and tweets is in fact highly moral, but sometimes poorly phrased or politically incorrect. I wish he would work harder to improve his phrasing and even harder to be more politically incorrect.

    Please to quote me something immoral he has said as President.

    Fred Z (05d938)

  30. They tell me that Antifa is good and white nationalists are bad. US senator calls for assassination.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  31. @29

    After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail.

    Multiple lies. He did not consult with anyone. He did not actually implement any policy. The costs are not tremendous.

    IN AMERICA WE DON’T WORSHIP GOVERNMENT – WE WORSHIP GOD!

    Trump is absolutely not a worshiper of anything other than mammon.

    Trump lies, constantly, and often for no apparent reason.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  32. Fred Z #20 – He proclaimed and celebrated the House Obamacare mishmash bill as a genuine repeal (and vast improvement). He made it entirely plain that he was interested in labeling only, not actual effects.

    Given that “full repeal by the roots” was no worse than his 2nd-most sacred promise to the electorate, this was a gross betrayal and highly immoral. He did nothing to correct this perfidy and, in fact, further sold his soul while trying to ram through a bill, any bill, which would allow him to claim a promise kept.

    How many folks has he cast aside, refusing to standby them with moral leadership? Aside from actual leakers who betrayed his trust, why is it OK that so many have been so much fodder?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  33. *ram through the Senate

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  34. The military is not a place for either social experiment or catering to the lowest common denominator. Everything it does must be the optimum for the defense of the United States. The only reason to recruit the physically, mentally or morally deficient is a dire shortage of healthy people. We do not have such a shortage.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. @34

    Your point is irrelevant, because Trump doesn’t actually care about transgenders in the military. He saw something on fox that made him briefly outraged, and he tweeted about it. He did nothing to implement it, and hasn’t brought it up since. If you believed that he was going to do something about it, congrats, you swallowed his lie.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  36. the house and senate can go to hell

    mg (31009b)

  37. the 2018 election is going to hurt the rino herd

    mg (31009b)

  38. The Smear.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  39. Lincoln defaced in South Side of Chicago where no one teaches that Lincoln freed the slaves.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  40. Politicians and media peepeeing themselves over ‘moral authority’ and the infinite degrees of whats right and appropriate only reinforce why Washington sucks. Nobody is as worked up in DC about baldfaced lied by the R establishment.

    Rich (a5d991)

  41. One day after Reason.com ridiculed anyone saying the statues of Washington and Jefferson coming down could be next, CNN talking head calls for exactly that.

    Vice is calling for blowing up Mt Rushmore, elected officials are calling for Trump to be murdered and even a Statue of Frank Rizzo was defaced. And now Lincoln in Chicago. But it’s all Trump’s fault.

    Keep telling yourself that during society’s coming collapse.

    harkin (dec327)

  42. I agree harkin, when it collapses, don’t get caught underneath. When they come for my family I will be patiently waiting for the whites of their eyes appearing within range.

    mg (31009b)

  43. Even bigger picture than Narciso’s big pictures: we (North america) might just be a “theatre” of hostilities: http://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-state-media-just-released-075948696.html

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  44. It is nadal chapelle, the Maxine waters of ferguson, holy tchochkes Batman,

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. Jonah Goldberg:

    “Perhaps the most astonishing thing about Donald Trump’s victory last November was that, according to exit polls, 60 percent of the voters had an unfavorable impression of Trump on the day he was elected president of the United States.

    Now, it’s remarkable that after all that has happened, Trump’s favorable and unfavorable rating — not his job approval, but whether people hold a favorable or unfavorable view of him — is virtually the same as it was on election day.

    A new Marist poll, released Wednesday, found that 60 percent of those surveyed have an unfavorable view of the president, versus 34 percent who have a favorable view and six percent who don’t know.

    In the RealClearPolitics average of all polls on the favorable/unfavorable question, Trump is now at 55.6 percent unfavorable versus 39.0 percent favorable. That is little changed from his average on Nov. 8: 58.5 percent unfavorable, versus 37.5 percent favorable. Among the unfavorables, that is just 1.5 points difference from then to now; among the favorables, 2.9 points.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-measuring-and-mismeasuring-the-trump-conundrum/article/2631831

    IMO the vast majority of people who (whether they liked Trump or not) felt he deserved the same chance as past presidents have tuned out the chattering media.

    How has the chattering media responded? They turned the volume to 11.

    Just wait till they up it to 12, with help from the Never Trump conservatives.

    I’m really starting to wonder why they can’t see where this is headed.

    harkin (aa3be1)

  46. ram through a bill, any bill, which would allow him to claim a promise kept.

    yes yes this is what he needed to do to build momentum for tax reform

    it’s not his fault the senate’s a bunch of cowardly war hero trash

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. A little about the madness of the moment:

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2017/08/17/burn-through/

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. This assumes that Trump and the Trumpniki care about “moral authority”. I think they don’t.

    You are correct. We did not elect a Pope.

    Scott Adams has a good explanation. We are in a “Mass Hysteria Bubble.

    If you are outside the mass hysteria bubble you might have noticed that President Trump never campaigned to be our moral leader. He presented himself as – in his own words “no angel” – with a set of skills he offered to use in the public’s interest. He was big on law and order, and equal justice under the law. But he never offered moral leadership. Voters elected him with that knowledge. Evidently, Republicans don’t depend on politicians for moral leadership. That’s probably a good call.

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  49. @29

    After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail.

    31: Multiple lies. He did not consult with anyone. He did not actually implement any policy. The costs are not tremendous.

    IN AMERICA WE DON’T WORSHIP GOVERNMENT – WE WORSHIP GOD!

    Davethulhu (5d3b09) — 8/17/2017 @ 10:08 pm

    False. He put on hold a new policy implemented by Obama that was to take effect now and would allow transgender people to enlist in the military. Your assertions that Trump’s decision was reached without consulting with his generals and that the costs of transgenders in the military are not high have no factual support.

    Lasue (dcf819)

  50. Hugh Hewitt sums it up much better: Trump needs to practice talking about race.

    Trump was my next to last choice for Republican nominee (Christie was my very last), but his awkward statement about “fine people” on both sides is correct if you think in general terms of people for and against tearing down Confederate memorials.

    His biggest though crime is not doing his homework on the people protesting the removal of the statue in Charlottesville: He assumed that not all of them were white supremacists. I am not aware of any evidence that any of the original protesters on site were non-racists who wanted to preserve history. Since such people would sooner not find themselves in the company of the KKK, I doubt they were present. This was a foolish oversight on Trump’s part, but to suggest this undermines his “moral authority” is way over the top.

    I am very disappointed with Tim Scott joining the virtue signaling bandwagon of “brave” Republicans sucking up to the fake news.

    Tony (ff2fe4)

  51. Yesterday, I found out that a person who can post an entirely grammatical and correctly spelled comment on the internet thinks that the Confederates were the real Republicans and Abraham Lincoln was “the first RINO”. I think his opinion is as worthy of discussion as Scott’s is. What do you guys think?

    nk (dbc370)

  52. trannies in the for reals military is silly

    we should compromise and send them to the coast guard where they can help fight climate change and let them ring the bell

    ding dong ding goes the coast guard bell

    the trannies are in the belfry!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  53. The some serious category error, seward was the real abolitionist, also an anglophile, but he was vehement enough against the vampire (ahem) slave power, Seth graham Smith’s notion was in interesting g on. Lincoln was interested in free men and free labor, the fundamental sticking point among the wigs. Lee was sort of like general Costa branco, in Brazil, somewhat of a moderate

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. Anglophile = euphemism for white supremacist.

    Tillman (a95660)

  55. Reconstruction, went off reasonably well considering it wee the first such attempt in the west, Alexander 11 tried a similar thing, and he was killed off by his version if the black bloc, the narodny volya.

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. Guy runs down woman with car at protest in Charlottesville.

    Guy runs down multiple people with car on sidewalk next to kosher restaurant in Barcelona.

    The MSM will only name the ideology motivating one of the guys, guess which?

    harkin (aa3be1)

  57. Sorry about the typos, well we could ask van gogh about how pointing foibles among the new north avricans in future Eurasia, but you may wait a bit, hursi Ali will take your call though.

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. I blame a combination of overpopulation and the decline in popularity of drag shows. If one-third of one percent of the population is drag queens, then when the population is small they can all find jobs at nightclubs with campy names and strange drinks. When the population is larger, then that 0.3% is also a larger number of trannies, and if drag show audiences don’t increase accordingly, then the trannies have to look for somewhere else to go.

    nk (dbc370)

  59. Autocorrect is decidedly provincial, not to say zenophobic.

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. 56 – don’t forget Stonewall Jackson, who taught blacks to read in violation of the law.

    “In 1855, he began teaching Sunday school classes to slaves in Lexington, a violation of Virginia’s segregation laws. Slaves came to know him through these classes and sometimes begged him to buy them so they wouldn’t be sold into the Deep South where they might be worked literally to death. In 1906, long after Jackson’s death, Reverend L. L. Downing, whose parents had been among the slaves in Jackson’s Sunday school, raised money to have a memorial window dedicated to him in the Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church of Roanoke, Virginia—likely making “Stonewall” the only Confederate general to have a memorial in an African American church.”

    http://www.historynet.com/stonewall-jackson

    How long till that window gets taken down?

    harkin (aa3be1)

  61. first we have to process the feels Timmah Scott is having

    his butt, it is so hurt

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  62. ohnoes the white supremers attacked finland

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. 57.Anglophile = euphemism for white supremacist.
    Tillman (a95660) — 8/18/2017 @ 7:04 am

    Democrat=euphemism for a communist murderer.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  64. Another virtue signalling idiot. Antifa is a communist group dedicated to the overthrow of the United States.

    Their weaponized group, the Black Bloc is no different than the Weathermen and their tactics will continue to escalate.

    A pox on them and the racists that think being a Nazi is fun. Too many idiots on both sides, but only one side is being told they are wrong.

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  65. One day after Reason.com ridiculed anyone saying the statues of Washington and Jefferson coming down could be next, CNN talking head calls for exactly that.

    Vice is calling for blowing up Mt Rushmore, elected officials are calling for Trump to be murdered and even a Statue of Frank Rizzo was defaced. And now Lincoln in Chicago. But it’s all Trump’s fault.

    Keep telling yourself that during society’s coming collapse.

    harkin (dec327) — 8/18/2017 @ 2:32 am

    Which article did they stupidly claim that? Do you have a link?

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  66. Regardless of your views of the specifics of Trump’s comments, they have been a giant distraction from moving policy forward on things like ObamaCare repeal or tax reform.

    the corrupt cowardly McConnell “war hero” senate is on vacation

    they not moving anything forward!

    now that Mitch McConnell’s corrupt piggy wife is installed in her pension piggy cabinet job, all the filthy war hero Senate does is pretend to be in session so President Trump can’t do any recess appointments

    Daily Digest
    Senate
    Chamber Action

    The Senate met at 4:30:06 p.m. in pro forma session, and adjourned at 4:30:39 p.m. until 10 a.m., on Friday, August 18, 2017.––––––

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. Both sides came with bats and helmets.

    That’s where it starts. And that’s where it ends.

    the mayor was sued by the ACLU to allow the nazis to march. He then said Charlottesville would be the epicenter/starting point of the “resistence.” Both he and McAllass knew violence would erupt. It had no choice but to.

    But you end up with Trump when the Tea Party organized, PEACEFULLY protested and were called nazis and right wing by the media.

    They were called red necks when they voted for R control of the house and then senate.

    They were called racists and supremacists when they voted for Romney. Romney was called every name Trump was during the election – save for adulterer.

    People’s preferences were dismissed for 8 years because the media has their collective heads up O’s ass not only sniffing, but licking (no pun intended).

    There were no cries of racism when folks started to burn down Ferguson because of a debunked “hands up, don’t shoot” lie by the MSM (and debunked by O’s DOJ).

    O couldn’t even mention BLM by name after a member killed 5 Dallas police officers. He was just an “outlier.”

    Spare me the trope about Trump’s double standard and false argument of defending the nazis.

    BOTH sides were to blame. There’s only one political party that has stood by and not condemned en masse the actions of the antifa. However, both parties have rightfully condemned the nazis.

    1000 show up to Charlottesvile and immediately they are labeled as to represent 60M voters. And yet, 10’s of thousand Tea Partiers congregate, PEACEFULLY assemble, a couple of hundred dicks have stupid signs, and yet all are labeled racist.

    When the D’s start calling out antifa by name – and that means you Maxine, Elizabeth and Obama – then I’ll start worrying about 1000 assholes in N.C. seeking attention.

    Steve_in_SoCal (58e1f9)

  68. Both sides came with bats and helmets.

    and then a white supremacist Bernie bro shot all the ones on the Republican side but not the Democrat side the end

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. Where President Trump went badly wrong is when he said there were good people on both sides. That was not actually factually correct there. Somebody on is staff actualkly should have corrected him – it was that bad.

    Donald Trump was wrong on the facts, but not enough people are seeing that. They either think he was right about that or believe he knew the facts and was lying.

    And so it comes out he’s saying some of that “Unite the Right” crowd were fine people.

    Donald Trump doesn’t have all that much trouble in reversing an opinion, like he did on abortion for instance, but he has a tremendous amount of trouble in saying he was wrong on facts. And he doesn’t have the gut urge not to mislead.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  70. Both sides came with bats and helmets.

    Like this.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  71. happyfeeet @73.

    bats and helmets.

    Good twist on those words, but the Bernie Bro in Alexandria, Virginia, didn’t have any bat or helmet. He just had guns.

    And in Charlottsville, the pro-statue people had lots of guns which they were openly carrying – not just in the park, and they menacing people around town, just by what they were wearing and saying and the walking around with guns – but they were well aware of the legal and other consequences of using them. The Antifa people I think didn’t have guns. The Antifa may also have bene aware of legal consequences.

    The only person killed was killed by a car. The person who did it was a real amateur. Since he hadn’t been trained by ISIS or watched terrorist videos he just managed to get one person killed, unlike the dozen in Barcelona, and the rest weren’t too badly hurt.

    In Barcelona, the murderer

    1) Used a van, not a car

    2) Dodged and weaved to get people who tried to get away

    3) Escaped.

    This was actually part of a bigger plot – the bomb exploded prematurely where it wasn’t being built.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  72. “Donald Trump doesn’t have all that much trouble in reversing an opinion, like he did on abortion for instance,”

    Birferism? Alien presence? Derp State?

    Ben burn (59d409)

  73. @52

    False. He put on hold a new policy implemented by Obama that was to take effect now and would allow transgender people to enlist in the military.

    no he didn’t
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-us-general-promises-military-transgender-policy-now/story?id=48885302

    Your assertions that Trump’s decision was reached without consulting with his generals and that the costs of transgenders in the military are not high have no factual support.

    The military was caught completely by surprise by his tweets, he didn’t consult anyone other than the voices in his head.
    The costs are less than he’s spending to play golf every weekend.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  74. Anyone who expects a political leader, particularly one born into a generation of moral relativism, to be a moral authority is either an idealistic fool or a liar. We live in an immoral time. Show me one example of when a moral issue decided peacefully by political pressure and the tools of the left that led to a just and moral outcome. Democrats and their allies seek to exorcise their racist and immoral past by pinning the tail on the elephant. There’s no good reason to help them.

    Re-decorating the public square is a local issue that local officials are perfectly able to resolve peacefully without national pressure from individuals and groups who divide by demanding total submission to their position, whatever it is. Government’s job is to protect life, liberty and property – not to preach to US.

    crazy (11d38b)

  75. Fox

    SEATTLE — Seattle’s mayor wants Fremont’s privately owned Lenin statue taken down, likening it to Confederate monuments as a symbol of “hate, racism and violence.”

    See? Bipartisan…privately owned….but take the Idolatry down!

    You chrisstians should like!

    Ben burn (59d409)

  76. And Muslims..

    Ben burn (59d409)

  77. The person who did it was a real amateur.

    he didn’t expect there to be a car in front of him when the crowd parted

    unfortunately his ineptitude has helped other would-be pedestrian-squishers learn a valuable planning tip

    now we need for to get people to understand when they are at risk for squishings and how to avoid being vulnerable in that way

    but so far the CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts haven’t produced any helpful reports about “best practices for how not to get squished when you are a pedestrian”

    if they have I missed them in all the fake news fog

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. he didn’t expect there to be a car in front of him when the crowd parted

    Was there? I don’t even know the details. Was there more than one car there?

    Another thing was, in Charlottsville, he wasn’t really going at (or able to get to) a high speed.

    now we need for to get people to understand when they are at risk for squishings and how to avoid being vulnerable in that way

    but so far the CNN Jake Tapper fake news propaganda sluts haven’t produced any helpful reports about “best practices for how not to get squished when you are a pedestrian”

    Look to see if there are open doors on the sidewalk that a car can’t go to that you can dart into. Avoid crowds in places and times where there are no doors. Of course, this won’t help much if you are the first person when he starts, but if when he satrts he’s not likely to be going above 20 miles an hour. Bad is when he suddenly drives off the road and crashes through a barrier .

    Also it could help if there was a standard special siren that went off when a car was driving into a crowd. But it doesn’t happen often enough for people to prepare sirens.

    If they anticipate it they can put up bollards. They actually had something blocking cars in Nice but not enough,

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  79. i think maybe we need to make more robust use of tiresharks or whatever those tire-popping things are called

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. from Tillman:Anglophile = euphemism for white supremacist.

    Federalism: euphemism for white supremacy
    Family values: euphemism for white supremacy
    And so on and so on.

    It’s all motte-and-bailey. Every rightish group or idea gets conflated, by the Left, with Nazis. The demand for disavowal can never be satisfied. The only winning move is not to play.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  81. It’s not just being squished by cars – getting hit at a high speed causes internal bleeding, which is worse the older a person is.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  82. Seattle’s mayor wants Fremont’s privately owned Lenin statue taken down

    No. It’s privately owned. Free Speech means you can put an heroic statue of Mohammad Atta on your front lawn if you want. But you probably want to put it back a bit from the sidewalk lest every dog in the neighborhood pees on it.

    The answer to bad speech is better speech. The answer to statues glorifying evil is making it clear that it is evil they glorify. Got a problem with that statue of Nathan Bedford Forest? Add something next to him showing Klansmen up to no good. That kind of thing. Make it a statue to infamy as a warning to power.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  83. when you get to the corner don’t look at those freaks keep your head down low and stay quick on your feet

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  84. @Sammy: Was there more than one car there?

    Yes there was. He hit a stopped car, which hit another stopped car. According to the NYT anyway.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  85. I think John reed Bolshevik apologist was from seattle

    http://romesentinel.com/editorials/thoughts-on-charlottesville/QBqqhq!DiWgoQUuBvPVrHxDvSiJpQ/

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. harkin (dec327) — 8/18/2017 @ 2:32 am

    elected officials are calling for Trump to be murdered

    Paul Krugman today wriote in the New York Tiomes that Trump is worse tahn Caligula.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/opinion/trump-caligula-republican-congress.html

    Even before the media obsession with Hillary Clinton’s email server put The Worst President Ever™ in the White House, historians were comparing Donald Trump to Caligula, the cruel, depraved Roman emperor who delighted in humiliating others, especially members of the empire’s elite. But seven months into the Trump administration, we can see that this comparison was unfair.

    For one thing, Caligula did not, as far as we know, foment ethnic violence within the empire. For another, again as far as we know, Rome’s government continued to function reasonably well despite his antics: Provincial governors continued to maintain order, the army continued to defend the borders, there were no economic crises.

    Finally, when his behavior became truly intolerable, Rome’s elite did what the party now controlling Congress seems unable even to contemplate: It found a way to get rid of him.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  87. Ah comandante Krugman, he thought w would sent him to gitmo.

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. ” a problem with that statue of Nathan Bedford ..”

    I don’t think there is statuary for John Wilkes Booth. Bridge too far, even for History Police.

    Ben burn (59d409)

  89. That last link comes from a real life editor who has sworn off ap.

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. Finally, when his behavior became truly intolerable, Rome’s elite did what the party now controlling Congress seems unable even to contemplate: It found a way to get rid of him.

    The Praetorian Guard, Rome’s version of the Secret Service, assassinated Caligula and murdered his wife and baby daughter too. Paul Krugman is soliciting the Secret Service to assassinate President Trump, Melania and Ivanka, and should be immediately arrested and held for indictment.

    nk (dbc370)

  91. Well, Krugman is being cute, by being vague. He’s actually calling for impeachment.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  92. I presume.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  93. Melania/Ivanka will return to Human Traffic..so there’s that.

    Ben burn (59d409)

  94. If Trump were actually Caligula the NYT and WaPo buildings would be deserted.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  95. The southerners who put statues were kind of careful to make Robert El Lee (and aybe Stonewall Jacjkson) their hero., Generals, not politicians. Although at Stone Mountain Georgia they’ve also got Jefferson Davis. But he’s less frequent.

    Montreal just took down some kind of aplaque commerating a visit Jefferson Davis made in 1867.
    People are ,looking for Confedarates under the bed.

    They just removed (the episcopal church did) a plaque in front a now closed church in Bay Ridge that said that Robert E Lee planted a tree there. Put up by the Daughters of the Confederacy in 1912. And they added another plaque in 1935. I guess theer were some Daughters of the Confederacy in New York by 1912.

    Maybe that should have been removed because it’s probably not true. Just my hunch.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  96. Pence as Claudius would be rank temerity.

    Ben burn (59d409)

  97. I don’t think there is statuary for John Wilkes Booth

    Not sure. There’s a statue to Oliver Cromwell on the grounds of the British Parliament — a warning about the limits to monarchy.

    There SHOULD be one of Dr Carl Weiss, the man who shot Huey Long.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  98. There was a statue of JWB at the Lincoln Presidential Library, but they removed it recently.

    http://www.sj-r.com/news/20170411/abraham-lincoln-presidential-museum-removes-john-wilkes-booth-statue

    Kevin M (752a26)

  99. 103. Indeed, and both antifa and the white supras will seek its destruction (if Weiss was what I think he was).

    urbanleftbehind (d43c0e)

  100. i love the beautiful statues stern yet vibrant with purpose

    the civil war was a terrible cataclysm

    brother fighting brother

    family fighting family

    so many recipes were lost on those battlefields, and in the ruin what followed

    oh if those statues could talk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. Breaking– Bye-Bye-Breitbart-Bastard-Bannon.

    “Don’t be a sap. You’re taking the fall.” – Sam Spade [Humphrey Bogart] ‘The Maltese Falcon’ 1941

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. So, Bannon’s out. Good for Trump or bad for Trump? Good for America, or bad? No change, nothing to see here, move along? Discuss amongst yourselves.

    Q! (267694)

  103. Mr. Bannon’s a good pickle, much maligned

    not sure what he was actually doing though lately

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  104. @108. Meh. Changing the linen only brings clean sheets.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  105. @109. A Sour Dill.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. Cannons removal, just means there’s another scalp to be had, probably Dr. gorka.

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. Trump is more of a Nero than a Caligula anyway.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  108. Goosestepper-gets-the-boot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  109. Oh resist we much is coming to town, ph frabjous joy.

    narciso (d1f714)

  110. Well, for myself I suspect this is more theater than anything substantive – slight of hand. Bannon’s “out” (but the WH doesn’t release visitors logs, for ex.) so how far “out”? And I can’t seem to repress the suspicion that the “outing” (or certainly the timing thereof) is as much of Bannon’s druthers and choosing as anything else. See his “puzzling” presentation of himself to and interview with the liberal American Prospect. What’s actually going on in his twisted little (well, actually, twisted big) mind? Stay tuned, buckeroos and buckerettes; I’m sure it will become clear in the fullness of time . . .

    Q! (267694)

  111. I remain troubled by the fact that the GOP establishment feels the need to CYA IN RESPONSE TO THE MEDIA’S FRAMING OF EVENTS rather than the events themselves.

    So much of the distancing by GOP establishment figures from Trump is a response to what they see as negative press coverage — not the actual things that Trump said. They let the media narrative supplant facts, and then adjust their own PR needs to meet the media narrative.

    I understand the political survival instinct that leads them down this path, but I just wish they had more courage to say “Trump didn’t say anything that was false, and the reaction by the media is about the messenger and not the message.”

    Powerline continues to go a good job in going back to the actual events in Charlottesville, and Trump’s actual comments in context. I wish more Republicans would do the same.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  112. One of these days some of you may get your wish, and like William randolph hearts, there will be protrstations

    narciso (d1f714)

  113. All this talk of Bannon as Rasputin is another feature of the bug calling Trump a genius. Heh.

    Ben burn (59d409)

  114. I’m going to start going Karnak or Klondike Bar on the issue of succession:

    You guys (Dems) dont run a candidate in 2020…
    I end DACA…
    McCain resigns on the same day as the big man…

    feel free to add more conditions

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  115. No tears for Bannon. A faint reservation of not wanting to give the Left the satisfaction, but let’s see if they’ll really be better off with him gone.

    nk (dbc370)

  116. “Don’t be a sap. You’re taking the fall.”

    But Wilmer WAS a sap.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  117. Trump is more of a Nero than a Caligula anyway.

    Closer to Tiberius, who wanted to be Emperor, but hated the job.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  118. I understand the political survival instinct that leads them down this path, but I just wish they had more courage to say “Trump didn’t say anything that was false, and the reaction by the media is about the messenger and not the message.”

    The problem is that Trump is not a politician, and in fact seems to have a bit of Asberger’s in that direction. The regular pols are increasingly unwilling to back his play since they have utterly no feel for what he’s thinking. There are several cases where folks who’ve backed him have been left hanging out to dry as Trump compounded the stupid.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  119. Its rather what has thinking, they want to change as little as possible, they want the tax code as possible, obamacare as execreable they didn’t see anything wrong with the rhodes road shiw as long as the bill doesn’t come due.

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. Breitbart-Bastard-Bannon gone; now it’s Miller Time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. 124 — I agree Kevin M. There’s a great observation on Powerline today that Trump is at heart a combatant, and he looks for opportunities to goad the opposition. So he turns up the heat on the stove when the kettle is already boiling, which is exactly the opposite of most political instincts. Its what makes him popular with his supporters, but it also makes him unpredictable with the GOP.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  122. @122. Except it was Wonderly who fell.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. Whether by design or not, the Mooche’s ten days in the administration have clearly reshaped the staffing of the West Wing.

    He came in cleary intending to drive out Preibus and Spicer, and did so in very short order.

    He also had Bannon in his sites, and revealed as much in his foul-mouthed interview with The New Yorker. But Bannon was bigger game than the gun Mooch was hunting with could take down, and his own words did him in.

    Kelly’s arrival meant that there would finally be a bit of reckoning for the leaking coming out of the West Wing. Mooch clearly pinned a bunch of it on Preibus and other former RNC staffers, but once they were gone Kelly was able to make Trump see that Bannon was probably a prime source as well.

    Kushner and Ivanka supported Mooch’s appointment in the face of opposition from Preibus and Bannon, and they supported the naming of Kelly to replace Preibus. Then Bannon’s allies went after McMaster, and Kelly came to McMaster’s defense.

    That was pretty much it IMO.

    So, although not likely by design, Mooch accomplished in 10 days a lot of what probably needed to be accomplished in order to bring some coherence to West Wing operations, and Kelly is now firmly in charge, and McMaster doesn’t have to fight with Bannon on NatSec questions.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  124. Sine there are no Lefties willing to admit that Trump ever had any moral authority this rings a little hollow.

    And

    Now it’s going to be really fun to watch Steve Bannon morph from right wing fascist nazisymp to greatest WH strategist ever and his dismissal requires Trumps immediate impeachment. Starting in 5—-4—-3.

    Bang Gunley (5a4596)

  125. I wish I was collecting on seinfeld reruns.

    mg (31009b)

  126. Robert and Rebekah Mercer along with Bannon will start a conservative cable station.

    mg (31009b)

  127. Maybe buy cnn when they get split up

    mg (31009b)

  128. Hey, Mr. Cobb, want to play Mannequin Challenge? Why, yes of course, you should use your nameplate.
    http://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-lawyer-cobb-predicts-quick-end-mueller-184917825.html

    urbanleftbehind (c8adc7)

  129. Whitewashing history. Today’s democrat shock troops are fighting yesterday’s democrat shock troops while politicians raise money at Jefferson-Jackson day rallies and use the stars and bars to elect democrat and flog republicans. Appeasement never ends a feeding frenzy it only whets the appetite for more.

    crazy (11d38b)

  130. @136. Hubba-Hubba, Dave. Talia’s quite the babe! (Don’t remember her taking the shot of me and my pet turtle during our walk downtown last … June, was it? . . . but who cares how she got it!) Hubba (- like I say -) Hubba. (Obliged)

    Q! (267694)

  131. @124/127: Anybody who remains on staff at Stalag Trumpenteen after Tuesday’s depresser — in the Cabinet or on staff– has zero personal integrity, no self-respect and is a total enabler.

    Kelly ain’t no hero.

    “Disss-missed!” – Col. Wilhelm Klink [Werner Klemperer] ‘Hogan’s Heroes’, CBS-TV, 1965-71

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  132. Now Bannon is gone. Was he the one who told Trump what to say or not to say?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-decides-to-get-rid-of-white-house-chief-strategist-stephen-bannon/2017/08/18/98cd5c40-8430-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html

    Earlier on Friday, the president had told senior aides that he had decided to remove Mr. Bannon, according to two administration officials briefed on the discussion. But a person close to Mr. Bannon insisted that the parting of ways was his idea, and that he had submitted his resignation to the president on Aug. 7, to be announced at the start of this week. But the move was delayed after the violence in Charlottesville, Va.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-has-decided-to-remove-steve-bannon-from-white-house/

    Sammy Fnkelman (02a146)

  133. Breaking- Carl Icahn resigns as Trump advisor.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. @141

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/11/19/police-response-to-occupy-wall-street-is-absurd/#4633d1eb7a41

    what’s different this time around? I suspect it’s because this time, the protestors are armed.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  135. #117… shorter, more succinct version: GOP establishment are self-serving, spineless cowards.

    Colonel Haiku (470cbb)

  136. @144 Cuuuute. And you know what they say . . . “Gotta send a clown, to catch a clown!”

    Q! (267694)

  137. Charities, business meetings, canceling on Trump’s Mara Lago:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-cleveland-clinic-mar-a-lago-20170817-story.html

    “And, of course, it’s completely restricted.” – Gloria Upson [Joanna Barnes] ‘Auntie Mame’ 1958

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. And you know what they say . . . “Gotta send a clown, to catch a clown!”

    nobody ever says that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. opportunistic pervert Mitt Romney is doing everything he can to build up white supremacy into a potent political cudgel

    this seems smart

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  140. when people are scared of the white nationalism

    they want a perverted creepy old white ken doll around to reassure them that everything will be ok

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  141. @29

    Please to quote me something immoral [Trump] has said as President.

    If, like most decent people, you consider lying immoral, then the list is endless.

    Otherwise, I’ll nominate this fellation of a murderous dictator:

    O’REILLY: Do you respect Putin?

    TRUMP: I do respect him.

    O’REILLY: Do you? Why?

    TRUMP: Well, I respect a lot of people. But that doesn’t mean I am going to get along with him. He’s a leader of his country. I say it’s better to get along with Russia than not. Will I get along with them? I have no idea.

    O’REILLY: He is a killer though. Putin is a killer.

    TRUMP: There are a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent? Do you think our country is so innocent?

    O’REILLY: I don’t know of any government leaders that are killers in America.

    TRUMP: Take a look at what we have done too. We’ve made a lot of mistakes. I’ve been against the war in Iraq from the beginning.

    O’REILLY: Yes. Mistakes are different then —

    TRUMP: A lot of mistakes, okay? But a lot of people were killed. So, a lot of killers around, believe me.

    Dave (445e97)

  142. 151… “Fellation”? You lied right there, Dave.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  143. 145… I trust you will write us while on your sojourn, Q?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  144. 151… “Fellation”? You lied right there, Dave.

    Damn! I was sure I could convince people that Trump committed an actual, physical act of oral sex on Putin (instead of a figurative, metaphorical one by excusing his crimes) while he was being interviewed by Bill O’Reilly.

    You are just too sharp for me, Colonel!

    Dave (445e97)

  145. Super Dave , is a marvel isn’t he like one of the creatures in Dr. Moreaus menagerie.

    Under rives expert tutelage, w refused to rebut the lies about no weds in Iraq and that had an effect.

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. When you find the need to explain why you’ve just lied while characterizing lying as immoral, you drop the shovel Dave. Here endeth the lesson.

    Here’s a sad but fairly funny example of the inconsistency of the Democrat Operatives With Bylines… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/371190.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  147. in other words, no, the are no compromise

    President Trump has many moral authority.

    and Tim Scott’s just a big stupid girl

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  148. oops *there* are no compromise i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. The deconstruction of America by the leftists is now in the purge stage. I wonder when the destruction of American history and art ends will something new replace it. Usually when the communists purge people are next. I imagine that won’t happen here since when Pence becomes president all will settle down with the leftists. I guess they just can’t have anything nice like a government that has a peaceful transition. They haven’t liked the fact they lost so now they’ll kill America to prove to Franklin we were just not able nor worthy to keep that Republic. Oh well.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  150. When you find the need to explain why you’ve just lied while characterizing lying as immoral, you drop the shovel Dave. Here endeth the lesson.

    I wasn’t explaining anything, since nothing I said needed explanation.

    I was mocking you for being too dense to understand what a metaphor is.

    Dave (445e97)

  151. people are doing a good job using zuckertwat’s facebook and douchebag jack dorsey’s twitter to get themselves fired

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  152. So here’s an interesting propublica funded by corrupt bankster herb Sandler wants to witchunt all sites the splc deems crimethink.

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. Who’s Taking College Spots From Top Asian Americans? Privileged Whites.
    ProPublica Aug 9, 2017

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  154. @ the Rev, 160:

    The nominations of Trump and Clinton last year already conclusively proved that.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  155. one morning we will awake with nowhere to post

    mg (31009b)

  156. Thank you, Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/18/2017 @ 4:22 pm.

    But thank goodness we have the likes of young Shawna to scold us into purity of thought and deed!!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  157. @148 nobody ever says that Ah, sweetums-tootsies, you just run in too small circles; tiny, tiny little circles.

    Q! (267694)

  158. you are

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  159. @171 LOL. You’re so darn clever!!!!, s-t, oh yes you are!

    Q! (267694)

  160. i love president trump!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  161. That’s like stanzas rejoinder to venkman ‘no ever built them lime that’

    narciso (d1f714)

  162. the circumambient snake surrounds the pal-
    pitating tarry fever-dream of uncertain distor-
    tions and Shiva screams and mutters unheard
    vaccilations: now? then?
    Perhaps later, it is hot today. —

    — Alexander Jones

    nk (dbc370)

  163. Nobody really misses the brains he doesn’t have. — Poul Anderson

    nk (dbc370)

  164. I don’t understand what moral authority is exactly, anyway, or why the president has to have it. I follow religion and ethics for morality lessons.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  165. it is not so much Trumps comments as it is the histrionic reaction to them that is tolerated and encouraged by the media, GOP, Rinos, and people like you Patterico. How can you claim to be an officer of the court and support such seditious behavior? What do you think will happen if Trump is “removed”? Peace and love? No you are empowering the likes of Obama, Soros, Schumer, Pelosi, Podesta, Hillary and yes MCCAIN, and all the NAMELESS people who are out to destroy this country for their own power..If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

    sd Harms (84960b)


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