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8/13/2017

Shocker: Charlottesville Driver Was Obsessed with Nazism

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:06 pm



The first hint of James Fields’s ideology has emerged, from a former teacher of his. Surprising precisely nobody, he turns out to have been a Nazi sympathizer:

The accused driver, James Alex Fields Jr., 20, of Ohio, had espoused extremist ideals at least since high school, according to Derek Weimer, a history teacher.

Weimer said that he taught Fields during his junior and senior years at Randall K. Cooper High School in Kentucky. In a class called “America’s Modern Wars,” Weimer said that Fields wrote a deeply researched paper about the Nazi military during World War II.

“It was obvious that he had this fascination with Nazism and a big idolatry of Adolf Hitler,” Weimer said. “He had white supremacist views. He really believed in that stuff.”

Weimer said that Fields’s research project into the Nazi military was well written but appeared to be a “big lovefest for the German military and the Waffen-SS.”

This deals a blow to any incipient alt-right conspiracy theory that, oh, maybe his gas pedal got stuck. Yesterday perennial alt-right defender John Cardillo — in between issuing tweets blaming the wrong person, and talking about how “the right is finally fighting back” so you have to “strap in” because it’s “going to get bumpier” — filled his Twitter timeline with theories about how this might be a false flag operation. Guess that theory is done.

Time for Cardillo and his ilk to move to Plan B: proclaim the need for Fields to be tried for murder while spending all your time denouncing Antifa.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

177 Responses to “Shocker: Charlottesville Driver Was Obsessed with Nazism”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. Again, Weim(a/e)r creeps up in the discussion.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  3. Yes trying him for murder is a easy call, but one looks at the case of Mr. Damore and notes some things are just crimethink. You look in the judiciary and you observe 2/3 times enforcing current law is practically impossible you look at Berkeley or Yale or dartmouth, and you note intellectual liberty is a memory, whether its Shapiro or coulter or milo.

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. Greetings:

    Makes me glad all my history teachers are dead. Doesn’t anyone know anymore that there’s a time to keep one’s mouth shut ???

    A crime this serious and looks what crawls out of the woodwork.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  5. I wrote a casually researched paper on the Assassin Cult for English 101 in college. I hope my instructor doesn’t remember me should I ever be in an auto accident that makes the news.

    Interesting fact. The founder of the cult was a friend and schoolmate of Omar Khayyam of Rubaiyat renown.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. It is possible that everybody in Charlottesville over the weekend was vile, evil and responsible for the mayhem and deaths and injuries there.

    The neo-Nazis are despicable an vile, racist swine.

    The Anti-fa are in fact Anarchists and Marxist thugs who have engaged in violence across the nation for the past year, and are in fact, one of the few political groups as vile and dangerous as the neo-Nazis.

    The mayor and police chief in Charlottesville had one job over the weekend: maintain order. It looks like they intentionally failed to do so, and allowed the Anti-fa thugs to engage in violence at will.

    Once you realize the local government and law enforcement are going to stand down and let vile, evil thugs get away with assault, battery, and mayhem, there aren’t many good options remaining to the other side.

    Of course, that neither justifies nor excuses ramming a car into a crowd of people. This is in fact what terrorist, murdering thugs do.

    The problem is, once the government has proven they will not enforce laws and in fact will allow one group to get away with violence, other groups will respond in kind, and it will escalate.

    As I have been saying, expect Berlin ala 1918/1919 and Germany 1930/1933 to erupt across the nation now and extremist groups take advantage of this to foment more chaos and violence.

    Obama said he wanted to fundamentally transform the nation and he has. We are now on the brink of a very uncivil war.

    WarEagle82 (2b3d34)

  7. So this with a less nuanced view if politics might nituce these things, along with the sick little
    E game played with a life and death issue like health care the Russian sourced travushmockasham, that has dominated the public record for eight month, while the actual but of real intelligence, re warheads dare not be spoken.

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. Memories of Stephen Miller expectorating at Santa Monica High. Goebbeliscious!

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  9. @8. Are Trump Steaks seasoned w/Adolph’s Meat Tenderizer?

    “Where’s the beef?” – Clara Pell, Wendy’s TV commerical, 1984

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. OP

    Time for Cardillo and his ilk to move to Plan B: proclaim the need for Fields to be tried for murder while spending all your time denouncing Antifa.

    #6

    The Anti-fa are in fact Anarchists and Marxist thugs who have engaged in violence across the nation for the past year, and are in fact, one of the few political groups as vile and dangerous as the neo-Nazis.

    The mayor and police chief in Charlottesville had one job over the weekend: maintain order. It looks like they intentionally failed to do so, and allowed the Anti-fa thugs to engage in violence at will.

    it took 6 posts.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  11. Adolphs or copious ketchup on steaks so fresh the stripes from the jockeys whip serve as grill.marks.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  12. Like to read the kid’s paper. Col DuPuy (ret) wrote about the German military in WW II. Called it “Genius for War”. I suppose it’s good he’s dead on account of his love affair with the German military.
    The teacher’s evaluation might be spot on, or he might be a disciple of Chomsky and Zinn and consider, say, the Declaration of Independence a fascist outline written by slaveholders. So I’d take his evaluation with a grain of salt or two until we read the paper.
    That said, some people think there’s something “tough” about massacring innocent people.
    To put it another way, no US soldier ever said the Germans were anything but tough, smart, well-organized and brave.
    The kid’s paper should not be evidence until you read it.
    And his Nazi fascination might have been his motivation to attend the rally, but in the event, he was trying to not be the next Regiinald Denny.
    According to initial reports, he hit a vehicle which hit another vehicle, which is not “plowingt into a crowd”. I’m not sure where the injuries occurred. Rear ending somebody to rear end yet another is not a tactic for certainly killing bunches of people. If that’s what he did, we have a question.

    Richard Aubrey (0d7df4)

  13. According to initial reports, he hit a vehicle which hit another vehicle, which is not “plowingt into a crowd”. I’m not sure where the injuries occurred. Rear ending somebody to rear end yet another is not a tactic for certainly killing bunches of people. If that’s what he did, we have a question.

    Maybe you should watch the tapes– there’s plenty of angles from ground and air.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. According to initial reports, he hit a vehicle which hit another vehicle, which is not “plowingt into a crowd”. I’m not sure where the injuries occurred. Rear ending somebody to rear end yet another is not a tactic for certainly killing bunches of people. If that’s what he did, we have a question.

    how hard would it have been to actually find the video online rather than continue to reveal your ignorance?

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/12/charlottesville-crash-protesters-video-orig-vstop-dlewis.cnn/video/playlists/charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally/

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  15. “there’s plenty of angles from ground and air.”

    Fergit it DC..its Trumplandia.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  16. Aubrey sounds intelligent. Sauls eye-scales notwithstanding.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  17. Jeez. First video showed a rear-end followed by reversing out. As the reports said.
    So the reports were correct. He hit a vehicle which hit another vehicle.
    Right there on the screen. Here he comes from the right, smash, backs off.
    Other than the normal shock loading to seeing such a thing, all you see is…him rear ending a vehicle.

    Do the sidewalks in Charlottesville have anti-Islamist bollards? No? Then why not aim for aim for a crowd?
    I know it would be cathartic and all to hang the guy, so maybe it’s okay if he’s not guilty. Prove we’re on the side of justice, so to speak.
    The way I figure it, sarc tag and all, these alt-white whatevers know they’re not being heard and so they feel they have no other option but violence. To mix metaphors–Ferguson and Baltimore–they didn’t even get a space to destroy.
    Anyway, they apparently weren’t violent until antifa showed up and the cops backed off. This is the dance everybody expects and knows the steps.
    Then, of course, to clear ourselves and prove we’re really nice guys, honest, we want to hang this dude without actual evidence as to what was happening.
    So, suppose there is evidence he was being attacked. How we going to deep- six that?

    Richard Aubrey (0d7df4)

  18. Other things that might have broken through his consciousness there was an attempted chemicaical gas attack at the innaugural festivies, organized by Robert creamer Mr schakowski, then there was the bandy show trial, a similar one in Oregon, meanwhile the blue wall gets bloodier every couple of days

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. So the reports were correct. He hit a vehicle which hit another vehicle.
    Right there on the screen. Here he comes from the right, smash, backs off.

    do you not see him hit 20+ people before he hits the other vehicle?

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  20. @12 Richard, Oh Richard! Ever-cautious and sensitive to the situation of “the other”. Of course I cannot vouch for the history teacher’s memories (or that he has never been tainted or influenced by the siren song blasphemies of Zinn or Chomsky – & thanks for stirring that particular pot, btw!). Still, the Waffen-SS has a reputation which may be slightly less hallowed than you perceive (and even among those who felt their steel, mirabile dictu!)

    And poor freckle-faced Heather (that cursedly sweet but despicably (deludedly?) liberal paralegal), poor sweet foolish Heather – caught up in just a terrible accident – a misunderstanding of physics, really – and now awash w/in entropy’s most embracing embrace. Not to mention the other bully boys and girls who had the temerity to set themselves up as a challenge to a Dodge Challenger. Oy! You don’t care for videos? Well, then: Check out the photo here. (Ooof, that’s gotta sting, eh?)

    And, yes, I know what you’re saying to yourself: Q!, you unprincipled sob – there you go again, blaming American muscle cars for this tragedy. Cars don’t kill people; people kill people!
    And you know . . . I kind of would agree.

    Q! (267694)

  21. I find fields beliefs detestable but that’s to the infinite wisdom of the supreme court they are protected speech (in the end the party didn’t march in skokie but Chicago)

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. Q.
    Missed the point. About the only evidence we have to his motivation is the teacher’s view of the paper. Given the influence of the left in education, I’d go 60-40 he’s screwing the pooch and figures a reasonable review of German military operations as comptent would be a “love affair”, especially if he can shaft a kid he probably didn’t much like.
    So, anyway, what’s plan B if it is shown that he was being attacked? Or do you think such evidence will go to the evidence locker connected to the shredder so it won’t inconvenience the righteous desir to show the world we’re all good guys? But maybe you should have a Plan B in case the evidence gets out and justice is denied.

    Richard Aubrey (0d7df4)

  23. Maybe y’all can get a change of venue yo say North Carolina where the jury sekection system’s as good as the electoral

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  24. Has any member of the black bloc been fired for just appearing at a rally

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4786826/Nationalist-FIRED-Twitter-names-shames-protesters.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mike-huckabee-if-trump-shot-charlottesville-crash-driver-between-the-eyes-hed-still-be-criticized/article/2631401

    THIS is the kind of delusional thinking that drives these people. What makes HuckaHucka think anyone needs to shoot him ? Projection is a very telling TELL.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  26. See? I read left,right,fascist socialist and commie.com

    They don’t have ‘cooties’.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  27. After Gabby Giffords and Aurora and Sandy Hook the left finally gets their man.

    Pinandpuller (975b5d)

  28. I want Billy Graham Sr. back.

    And Goldwater Republicans..

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  29. @18 Richard Aubrey

    I.e. Hampsterdam.

    Pinandpuller (975b5d)

  30. Do you guys recall Joel Rosenberg only got manslaughter and is out now?

    #myfavoritemurder

    Stay sexy, don’t get murdered.

    Pinandpuller (975b5d)

  31. Julius and Ethel got the chair and burnt hair, but we’re civilized now so lethal injection is high voltage for the politically correct.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  32. Timothy McVeigh?

    Acted alone?

    Bwaaahaaaaaa

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  33. It’s a good thing that Rolling Stone reporter drove in unpopulated areas.

    Pinandpuller (975b5d)

  34. Here he is calmly driving through the streets a few blocks earlier when the “peaceful protesters” greet him with their traditional greeting to passing strangers.
    https://streamable.com/21gc9

    Kevin (5cc325)

  35. The Evangelical Xhristian?

    Rosenberg ain’t perfect, just forgiven.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  36. Kevin edited out the blood-curdling screams. Nicely done..

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  37. Is it odd that his last oil change was at Gary Condit Honda?

    Pinandpuller (975b5d)

  38. Our only hope is that Fields busts in to a hotel room to retrieve nazi memorabilia.

    Pinandpuller (975b5d)

  39. Here he is calmly driving through the streets a few blocks earlier when the “peaceful protesters” greet him with their traditional greeting to passing strangers.
    https://streamable.com/21gc9

    Clearly fake, Richard Aubrey has assured us he was hit from behind.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  40. *by another car.

    Davethulhu (5d3b09)

  41. Back, and to the left.

    Pinandpuller (975b5d)

  42. They Try Nazis, Don’t They?

    Pinandpuller (975b5d)

  43. Let this be a lesson to us conservatives that there is a radical right. I would not go to a rally where David Duke and Richard Spencer are speaking. Unfortunately, what is lost in the discussion is the violence exhibited by ANTIFA. Now the leftist media can paint all on the right as Nazis.

    A dark day all around.

    gary fouse (07824e)

  44. @23 Richard, I honestly think that I did not miss[] the point, but will content myself w/ the notion that on this we likely must content ourselves to agree to disagree. In this vein, however (and on your “About the only evidence we have to his motivation” assertion), you may want to approach the info proffered by Ben at #31. You are, of course, free to arrange your brain however you deem it convenient.

    As to Plan B and Fields being attacked, I confess I am somewhat unclear what you are suggesting. “Attacked” when? After he intentionally plowed into the pedestrians and the car? I confess I am not familiar with the law in Virginia, but I suspect that one loses the right to self-defense (or that it’s radically constricted), where one is the aggressor. Then there’s the issues of proportionality & innocent 3d parties. In any event, I in no way propose that Fields should not have the benefit of rigorous and competent counsel, in the event that he is bound over and tried in a proper court. It is not for me to address the possible/impossible Plans B or C or D of Mr. Fields.

    Q! (267694)

  45. Yes, Q!

    That was worthy reporting.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  46. @29. And Goldwater Republicans…

    Barry’s Boys?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhXGo5Lj6r8

    [Personal note- actually heard the Chad Mitchell Trio play this, live, to great laughs peeking in from the doorway of a lounge at Trader Vic’s, NYC, Autumn, 1964.]

    “Oh we’re the bright, young men, who wanna go back to 1910…”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  47. “Sunday Night Music”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3fP15F6szA

    “The I Was Not A Nazi Polka” – Chad Mitchell Trio, 1965

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. A Dodge Challenger? He could have rented a Ford F-150 from U-Haul for $19.95 a day (plus mileage and fees).

    “Wow! I could have had a V-8!”

    nk (dbc370)

  49. Hey coronello how have you been?

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. Much happier, thanks narciso.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. Some helpful advice for lefties BenBurn and DCSCA… If anyone tells you that you drink too much, just stop talking to them. You don’t need that kind of negativity in your lives.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. Her, also ignore the advicecfrom. Captain mcclosky.

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. bringing the tunes
    outasight, Col.

    mg (31009b)

  54. Haiku,

    Welcome back.

    Sweet. Two good returns today.

    NJRob (c8f8da)

  55. I read the dems are thinking about bringing back the old jacksonian democrat way of doing things, you know, just like hitler did.

    mg (31009b)

  56. Rev Hoagie! Colonel Haiku!

    It’s like rewinding The Leftovers.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  57. Col Haiku

    Sequestered jury?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  58. 50. He’s probably on a relative’s FiatChrysler equivalent of the Ford “A” plan. Didn’t Joe the Plumber work at a Toledo area Chrysler plant a few years back?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  59. @54. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    “Velcome back to za fight. Dis tyme I know our zide vill vin.” – Victor Lazlo [Paul Henreid] ‘Casablanca’ 1942

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. Local only Uhaul is a blood sucker, especially if you have the detours that are wont in a town with multiple demonstations going on.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  61. @50.A Dodge Challenger?

    Coulda been worse- a Dodge Charger named ‘The General Lee.’

    “Just the good ‘ol boys…”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. If it had been a Chrysler 300, you know he would have been a plant or patsy. If a good close parking spot is next to a 300 I chose the longer walk.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  63. This is Derek Weimer, the history teacher. Would you leave this man alone with your teenage son even if his name was not Derek?

    nk (dbc370)

  64. =Haiku!- Gesundheit!

    Step away from the still.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUIOWoJD3DM

    Your Friendly Liberal Neighborhood Ku Klux Klan – Chad Mitchell Trio, 1966

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. If you’re gonna hold a fake choreographed “nazi” rally, you’ll get the one troubled kid to show up who got himself obsessed with nazi envy.

    But the interesting thing: A video seems to show that this mentally fragile nutter thought his car was being shot at because of the leftists hurling projectiles at his car and he hammered down to get out of danger. Would Henry Fonda convict him solely because he has nazi sympathies?

    jcurtis (890db7)

  66. It’s important also that the investigation should be vigorous already because it’s theoretically possible that other nazi sympathizers were in place to be video taped throwing things at Fields’ car to provide a mens rea defense with a panic explanation.

    jcurtis (890db7)

  67. Well you get out your shield and you get out your bo

    Lace up your boots and you stomp ’em on the floor

    Punch ANTIFA out in a tiki torch light

    Charlottesville Saturday Night

    Waiting on the front lines sitting in a Dodge

    30 shot rifles and some gap toothed broads

    Yonder come my weibvolk, Blood Moon rise

    Charlottesville Saturday Night

    My brother Bill and my other brother Jack

    Business in the front; party in the back

    Men of Mayhem in a media spotlight

    Charlottesville Saturday Night

    Well you get out your shield and you get out your bo

    Lace up your boots and you stomp ’em on the floor

    Punch ANTIFA out in a tiki torch light

    Charlottesville Saturday Night

    When the weibvolk flee and the press gets fed

    Me and liebenstram gonna go back to bed

    Master race kids in nine months time

    Charlottesville Saturday Night

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  68. I heard that the Somali cop in Minneapolis shot the Aussie lass because he was startled by fireworks.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  69. P&P
    I will warn.

    Col. Haiku has grandmaster status when it comes to lyrics.

    kishnevi (a77570)

  70. I heard that the Somali cop in Minneapolis shot the Aussie lass because he was startled by fireworks.

    They changed the story to “she slapped the police car”.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. @Davethulhu:Richard Aubrey has assured us he was hit from behind.

    Aubrey said exactly the opposite of that:

    “He hit a vehicle which hit another vehicle.”

    From that Nazi rag, the New York Times:

    “A driver smashed into a line of cars, causing a chain reaction that that killed one person and injured at least 19 others demonstrating against a white nationalist gathering in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday.”

    “Mr. Fields was driving a Dodge Challenger “at a high rate of speed” in downtown Charlottesville at about 1:45 p.m., a spokeswoman for the city said in a statement. He drove the car into a sedan, which hit a minivan that was in front of it.

    The impact of the crash pushed the sedan and the minivan into a crowd of pedestrians. Mr. Fields fled the scene in the Challenger but was stopped a short time later by the Charlottesville police.”

    Frederick (c8a679)

  72. Frederick (c8a679) — 8/13/2017 @ 7:32 pm

    Pretty much what Bruce “Kaitlyn” Jenner did.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. 75
    Real sluts must be embarrassed by that Slutwalk

    kishnevi (a77570)

  74. Frederick.
    Thanks for the point made. But it doesn’t actually count. The conservatives need their sin eater to cleanse them. So they’ll hang this guy irrespective of facts.
    Now, he may have actually been guilty of premeditated murder, worse than the current charge.
    My point is that there are other possibilities.

    Richard Aubrey (0d7df4)

  75. The funniest part was the “Palestinian activist” saying “you can’t be both a Zionist and a feminist”. Oy vey!

    nk (dbc370)

  76. The cop said the he sprained his wrist when I attacked his truncheon with my skullbone.

    That was enough to provoke several others to stomp me like a rival biker gang. They let me off with simple assault. It could have gone bad for me.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  77. Well Linda sarsour would agree so would mama odeh

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. Wouldn’t it have been funny if Lee rode up to Grants horse at Appomatox and said…”Just Kidding!!”

    ‘Challenger got away from me. I heard a firecracker and got scared, then she banged on the car and I freaked out!”

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  79. “There was all these tiki torches…”

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  80. Let them believe that while the kibbutz girls kick their camel-riding butts like they’ve been doing for nearly a 100 years.

    nk (dbc370)

  81. “Antifas, anarchists , chanting, oh my!”

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  82. kishnevi, what’s the feminine plural of kibbutznik? Kibbutznikisim?

    nk (dbc370)

  83. @72 kishnevi

    I totally grant you that. But our taste in music varies enough that I’m not watching his water, like they say on Baywatch.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  84. Good to see your comments again, Colonel!

    felipe (023cc9)

  85. @73 nk

    And they would have gotten away with it, if they were mounted police.

    Taylor Swift didn’t even slap a guy who was grabbing her, let me see if I got this right…and I quote,”My a$$.”

    Would you read that back please?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  86. @82 BB

    Grant got a free throw for Travelering.

    There was a comic who had a joke about how there’s a guy in prison watching a hockey game. He’s incensed because one of the players gets two minutes for what got him two years.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  87. @79 nk

    I thought Bar Rafeli got in trouble for not joining the Zionist army.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  88. They are getting away with it. It’s a prima facie case of murder. Colorable case of capital murder, the killing of a witness to a crime. A civilian would be in jail without bail. But the cops, they’re on paid vacation, while they’re colleagues are making sure there are no unchinked cracks in the blue wall.

    nk (dbc370)

  89. Twist: James Fields is Death Proof.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  90. If my partner fired across me in a non life threatening event he’d be getting a surprise blanket party.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  91. BTW, I’m on the side of the Charlottesville cops in this. If I were a cop and saw Creamer’s crackheads and Duke’s dog molesters fighting with each other in my city, my only regret would be that they were any survivors.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. My great grandpa got shot in the shoulder in a sheep wagon. The concussion of the pistol extinguished the lamp. He said the remorseful shooter put iodine on a rag and pushed it through the wound with a wire.

    My dad said,” That must have hurt.”

    My GG said,”It sure did. My ears rang for a week.”

    GG also told my dad the secret to pleasing your wife is to,”dicker.” I asked my dad if that was one word or two.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  93. Anyone else noticed that a lot of the reporting–including from FOX–of the events of the weekend leads with “3 dead”, combining the deaths from the car hitting the crowd with a helicopter crash that precisely no one has attributed to intentional bad action by anyone?

    M Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  94. Yes. I’m surprised they aren’t padding the count further.

    felipe (023cc9)

  95. We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond
    Who comes on at five
    She can tell you ’bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
    It’s interesting when people die
    Give us dirty laundry

    nk (dbc370)

  96. The MSM is to the First Amendment what Adam Lanza is to the Second.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. anybody got a copy of “street fighting man” they can put here?

    reinhard (e1436c)

  98. He was Nazi sympathizer meaning he was present at the rally (he told his mom he was going to an alt-right rally).

    Whether the act was intentional is still yet to be proven, although the video would suggest that it was.

    lee (13a73a)

  99. Are we waving goodbye to a friend?

    felipe (023cc9)

  100. So in rattle! The police did their job and kept their protesters parts, now this concern troll on morning Joe that they have as a mayor in jeffersins domain for domain didn’t do his job.

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. That would be Seattle, signers big thing was calling trump a demagogue, around the time of Orlando when the entire investigative apparat was seemingly focused on trop.

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. Ooooo! An ACTUAL instance of a ‘Trump supporter’ (bet he thinks Trump is a Quisling) attacking Trump opponents! After all the claims that turned out to be bogus or actual frauds. The Left must be soon happy!

    I hope they throw the pathetic asshole into a deep hole and lose the key. Executing him would give him too much importance. That said, the moral difference between Nazi and Confederacy groupies and Lefties who wear Che shirts is not visible to the naked eye.

    C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37)

  103. “We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond
    Who comes on at five
    She can tell you ’bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
    It’s interesting when people die
    Give us dirty laundry”

    A shout-out to Felipe!!!!!!!

    Yep, Eagle Don Henley was outraged that KABC’s Christine Lund reported on the news about teh 3 teenaged girls who were coked-up and enjoying his jacuzzi with him when one of ’em OD’d. I mean, who among us hasn’t been in the same situation?

    Dirtbag.

    Colonel Haiku (470cbb)

  104. That wAS the reasoning behind that song, just like genesis jibe at televangelists wee probably inspired by the polarity of Morris cerullo in the uk

    narciso (d1f714)

  105. Who gave the order to law enforcement to stand down in Charlottesville? What did they believe they had to gain?

    Colonel Haiku (470cbb)

  106. In Skokie – however despicable their Nazi views views were – the marchers were given protection by law enforcement. The difference now is that people who disagree with those views are allowed to beat the sh1t out of those they disagree with.

    You either reject violence or you don’t. You either support the First Amendment or you don’t. There is no middle ground.

    Colonel Haiku (470cbb)

  107. Perhaps Jeff Sessions and the DOJ can get off their collective ass and get to the bottom of this.

    Don’t hold your breath.

    Colonel Haiku (470cbb)

  108. Its a poser coronello,

    Maybe this is what Obama meant re flexibility:
    http://www.iiss.org/en/iiss%20voices/blogsections/iiss-voices-2017-adeb/august-2b48/north-korea-icbm-success-3abb

    narciso (d1f714)

  109. There are some stories/rumours that the car was hit with a baseball bat just before it accelerated

    Neo (d1c681)

  110. Lots of dog-paddling on this prelude to Krystalnacht. Cobbling excuses for your electoral and pyrrhic victory is your refuge. Practice makes perfect.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  111. “marchers were given protection by law enforcement.”

    Be sure to thank ACLU.

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  112. There are some stories/rumours that the car was hit with a baseball bat just before it accelerated”

    I guess you weren’t here for the excuse making.

    “Challenger got away from me. I heard a firecracker and got scared, then she banged on the car and I freaked out!”

    Ben burn (8d4fc1)

  113. The Nazis never marched in Skokie. That battle was fought only in the courts.

    In the end, they held a couple of rallies in Chicago’s Marquette Park, with permission from the City of Chicago doubtlessly stemming from the SCOTUS ruling in the Skokie case. Then they drove off Upper Wacker Drive chasing The Blues Brothers and were not heard from again.

    nk (dbc370)

  114. Maguire wades in waist deep.

    As to Appalled’s point about Trump being such a mush-mouth in condemning the neo-Nazi right:

    1. I denounce the neo-Nazis. The Republican Party eventually ejected Paat Buchanan, who no one claimed was ignorant or inarticulate. WFB gave the heave-ho to the John Birchers. This has been done before and conservatives need to do it again.

    2. Trump was famously forgetful about David Duke just before a Super Tuesday during the primaries.

    3. That said, there is a ‘Punch in your weight class” dynamic – Trump blasting McConnell is one thing; blasting D Duke is reasonable; but blasting these nobodies? Less clear Trump ought to, because…

    4. These are life’s losers. What about “Hate the sin, love the sinner”? If we (Who is ‘we’? Don’t ask, yet anyway) want to bring these guys back into the social mainstream we can’t just cast them out.

    5. OTOH, there are two defensible reasons for casting them out (as with most social norms):

    5A: Deter others from crossing that line;
    5B: Virtue-signal your own solidarity with the group norm.

    For illustrative rambling let me contrast Trump’s role with mine. I may as well virtue-signal on this because no one in my social circles is anywhere in or near the neo-Nazi line.

    But Trump has a leadership role in rehabilitation as well as deterrence and self-puffery. So MAYBE his gut is telling him to play both sides of this.

    6. Also annoying Trump is this asymmetry: the media and the left are pretty vague and abstract in “condemning” the antifa, the authentic voices of progressive rage.

    Well. The neo-Nazis and the anti-fa need each other. Too bad various “leaders” on each side feel the same way.

    Posted by: Tom Maguire | August 14, 2017 at 10:47 AM

    Ben burn (67a16d)

  115. Any ‘old’ Nazis extant?

    Ben burn (67a16d)

  116. If we want to read JustOneMinute, we’ll go there. Stop the copypasta.

    nk (dbc370)

  117. “Nazis are a lot like cats: If they like you, it’s because you’re feeding them.”

    Ben burn (67a16d)

  118. Stop whining about Trump like you dislike the agenda, then we’ll talk.

    Ben burn (67a16d)

  119. You see why we had to spray roundup. In the place.

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. 124, if that barbs’s aimed at the other “North Korea”, maybe he’s going through sodapop withdrawal: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-toni-preckwinkle-chicago-democrats-kass-met-0813-20170811-column.html

    urbanleftbehind (964cd2)

  121. Apparently, the beatdowns of people who hold views most people disagree with will be allowed to continue. At least until they are employed against the masked vermin of the Left.

    Colonel Haiku (470cbb)

  122. This is where “Identity Politics” leads. Thank you very much, Democrats… doing all they can to promote the Balkanization of the USA.

    Colonel Haiku (470cbb)

  123. Watching the MSM going bonkers over Trump’s “inadequate” response to Nazis is interesting considering they let Obama get away with “let’s wait until all the facts are in” and “workplace violence” in the case of the Ft Hood Muslim gunning down fellow soldiers.

    The tone the past few days has been propaganda, if you’re against Antifa, you’re now a Nazi or a Klansman.

    harkin (9803a7)

  124. Hugging every thug Obamason and whipping the BLM was much worse than his Muslim outreach idiocy, although the argument it’s just a different branch on the same tree (much like fascists and progressives) is arguable.

    Rick Ballard (30fb57)

  125. Just another guy’s observations but I believe they are worth while.

    After the Civil War, the Union was preserved, but Southerners were allowed to honor their cause. It was an uncomfortable compromise, but it helped limit the violence from a conflict that had claimed the lives of 2% of the population. The Taliban campaign by black nationalists to tear down Confederate memorials was a deliberate effort at shattering a compromise that kept civil society working.
    And that too led to Charlottesville.

    Uncomfortable compromises are how we learn to live with each other. It means that there can be memorials of Robert E. Lee and streets named after Malcolm X. Tolerating people whose views we don’t like is one of the best ways to marginalize domestic extremists. When one set of extremists is empowered to wipe out the other, we end up with a civil war. Just ask Edmund Ruffin and John Brown.

    Democrats claim a mandate from the “Right Side of History” to eliminate all the compromises. Catholic nuns must pay for abortions and birth control, Christian bakers and florists must participate in gay weddings, every white person must confess their racism, and every left-wing extremist must get their way.

    That’s how you tear a society apart.

    The Bill of Rights is an uncomfortable compromise. It says that we have to put up with people we don’t like. The Democrats, under the influence of the left, are rejecting that idea. But that goes both ways too.

    You can have a liberal society or an illiberal one. But you can’t have a society that is selectively liberal when it comes to your bigotry, but illiberal of the bigotry of others, that believes you have the right to say anything you please without consequences, but that no one else does, that you can punch, but not be punched. That’s a totalitarian state. And the only way to realize it is through violence.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  126. Heh. When the going gets tough, never Trumpets go with their Base instincts.

    Ben burn (515793)

  127. Yes this much the way labour reigned for 13 years and the Tories have been entirely too blanc mange consider the detainee sweepstakes that may was a party to.

    narciso (00f9b2)

  128. Right on, Hoagie.

    With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds. — Abraham Lincoln

    nk (dbc370)

  129. OBAMA!!!! (Change channel to Saturday morning cartoons)

    Ben burn (515793)

  130. The new republic in the early 60s penned some fake news columns re general walker which I imagine inspired Fletcher knebel.

    narciso (00f9b2)

  131. All you never Trump humps need fiber in your diet. A bulldozer in the colon should do it.

    Ben burn (515793)

  132. BTW, the leftists in the media and government are doing it again. By “it” I mean playing with words and the definition of words.

    Just like “global warming” became “climate change”, just like *liberal* became *progressive*, just like a right to *health insurance* became a right to *health care* and just like *antifa* communists were mislabeled *anti-fascists* they are now calling *white supremacists* *white nationalists*. It’s a trick to condition the weak minded that nationalism is Nazism which it is not. Nazism is state socialism and if you don’t believe me read Mein Kampf. But if the leftist media can convince nationalist is synonymous with Nazi then the patriotic white people become white nationalists and therefore the bad guys.

    The Nazi’s and the antifa’s in Virginia are but two sides of the same ideological coin. On one side are the statist fascists and on the other the global communists. And just as the Nazi’s in WWII made war against the Stalinist communists so will our home-grown fascists and communists do battle. In the end they both want to destroy US, America. Wake up.

    This is Obama’s legacy.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  133. All you never Trump humps need fiber in your diet. A bulldozer in the colon should do it.

    Ben burn (515793) — 8/14/2017 @ 9:44 am

    But it’s happyfeet who’s banned.

    nk (dbc370)

  134. Nk,

    Burnie’s just going to troll and troll and troll, getting more extreme all the time till he gets banned. It’ll happen eventually.

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  135. @131 Well, yet another guy (or gal) certainly would be justified in viewing just another guy’s observations as ignorant dangerous bollix. What do the observations miss? Jim Crow – for one (poof – unappeared); when these monuments appeared (@ 1910 – 30s cf., After the Civil War, the Union was preserved, but Southerners were allowed to honor their cause. um hum, yeah, that’s “after”, technically/misleadingly; cf., Confederate Battle Flag raised to fly over all at the South Carolina Capitol in 1961); and the fact that these decisions in recent years to remove the tributary iconographies to the traitorous, mystical & racist “Lost Cause” past have been local decisions.

    After the Civil War, the Union was preserved, but Southerners were allowed to honor their cause. It was an uncomfortable compromise, but it helped limit the violence from a conflict that had claimed the lives of 2% of the population. The Taliban campaign by black nationalists to tear down Confederate memorials was a deliberate effort at shattering a compromise that kept civil society working. And that too led to Charlottesville. A “compromise” (entered into by whom, exactly? and when?) “[fashioned to] limit … violence” (oh, please, in the name of self respect if not Christian obligation . . . refrain from such falsehoods) a “Taliban[-like] campaign” by “black nationalists” (etc.) utter utter shameful bollix.[fn 1]

    I find it surprising, frankly, that Rev.Hoagie® – who opined quite differently & sensibly on this topic in another recent thread – should find just another guy’s observations “worthwhile”.

    ………
    [fn 1: In this regard, see, e.g., S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley (“Shortly after the removal of the Confederate flag from the South Carolina statehouse grounds, Gov. Nikki Haley told CNN’s Don Lemon that placing the flag in 2000 was a poor decision. [¶]’I think the more important part is it should have never been there,’ she said. ‘These grounds are a place that everybody should feel a part of. What I realized now more than ever is people were driving by and felt hurt and pain. No one should feel pain.'”]

    Q! (267694)

  136. The film, “Don’t Be a Sucker,” was produced by the U.S. War Department in 1943 to warn Americans against fascist language and calls on them to denounce such behavior, according to Business Insider. It was eventually released in 1947.

    Going viral..

    Ben burn (cfffcc)

  137. Following this logic, when can we look forward to Washington DC having a name change so we don’t honor a slave owner? I mean certain people feel pain when reminded of his history right?

    harkin (af9684)

  138. I suspect WHINING exerts little influence but flail away as per your character.

    Ben burn (cfffcc)

  139. Washington and Lee University is in Virginia too, isn’t it? And when you think about it, just what kind of point was Sir Walter Raleigh making when he named the colony Virginia? How long are we going to tolerate Elizabethan slut-shaming? Is there a place for such archaic patriarchical oppression in the 21st Century?

    nk (dbc370)

  140. @145 No, friend, I do not believe that your proposal is in fact Following this logic. Here’s a denken-experiment for you: why don’t you imagine yourself posing the same question directly to Nikki Haley herself, and imagine how embarrassed you would be if she responded to you with unfiltered frankness (and not as the proper South Carolinian she is, bless your heart . . .) Or, leave the filter on; are you still feeling comfy? If so, you lack imagination, I wager.

    Q! (267694)

  141. Heh, 148

    Salesman approaches front porch in Charlotte and is cursed, then broom-handled to the street. As he’s walking away she says “Y’all come back now, yeah?

    True story

    Ben burn (cfffcc)

  142. I find it surprising, frankly, that Rev.Hoagie® – who opined quite differently & sensibly on this topic in another recent thread – should find just another guy’s observations “worthwhile”.

    Well there, Q!, I am not the type who thinks because another person’s opinions, observations or experience differ or even oppose mine that they are not “worthwhile”. Like when people operate like “Taliban” and “black nationalists” there is no *shame* in pointing it out. I saw someplace they have gone as far as digging up Confederate graves and “relocating”, i.e. destroying the remains.

    There comes a time to forgive the past and I think when every single person who was alive then is now dead that NOW would be the time. None of us have owned slaves. None of us fought for the Confederacy. And remember, those who did were Americans too in an age where a persons State was sovereign and was his country of origin.

    I think our minds are open enough to entertain or at least hear other views and that is “worthwhile”.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  143. How long before Obama is forgiven for making Trump the lesser weevil?

    Ben burn (cfffcc)

  144. Right, Q!.

    Welcome to President Obama’s post-racial America.

    Taking their cue from CNN anchor Don Lemon, who suggested the day may come to re-think the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, D.C., some residents are calling for the landmark to be taken down.

    But that’s not the half of it.

    One resident is calling for renaming the nation’s capital to “Black City,” and another suggested that the American flag be redesigned — because George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

    In a video posted on Monday, PJ Media’s Nicholas Ballasy asked locals about the recent controversy regarding the Confederate flag. Most agreed that the flag should be removed from the public square, but one D.C. resident took it further when asked about the Jefferson Memorial.

    “It should come down,” the man told PJ Media.

    “If we do that, though, George Washington owned slaves,” Ballasy replied. “Should we rename Washington, D.C.?”

    “You have to draw the line at some point, I guess,” the man said. “Maybe take a poll across the country and see what people think about it and if they want to rename the city, do it.”

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  145. 151.How long before Obama is forgiven for making Trump the lesser weevil?

    Stealing jokes from Master And Commander, Ben burn?

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  146. But your forgiveness of trespass is not for Gentiles.

    Ben burn (cfffcc)

  147. Besides the issue of the statues, this validates a process which can be used anywhere: Some snowflake purports to be frightened, triggered, feel unsafe, etc, and all knees must bow. UC Davis student senate already talked about removing the American flag from their meeting room in case somebody might feel excluded.

    Richard Aubrey (0d7df4)

  148. 152 – I guess some people lack imagination – heh.

    The funniest thing is the moonbats who call for the removal of history are proud to march in demonstrations where the single greatest symbol of oppression and murder, the hammer and sickle, flies proudly.

    harkin (af9684)

  149. @150 Well there, Hoagie!, your use of “worthwhile” (as “clarified” in #150) is rather more tapioca then common parlance would have it. You are, of course, entitled to your idiolect.

    And still, your response here only increases my confusion as to whether you recant and reject what you wrote just a day ago:

    I must say removing the tributes to the Confederacy are really not like the Taliban or the other examples he gave blowing up religious statues. The Confederacy was 1)An enemy at war with the United States, 2) defeated by the United States and 3) dissolved by the United States. The folks are destroying historic items but they are not destroying the history. They are in effect destroying tributes to traitors. I don’t think we need statues of Southern generals who committed treason against our country any more than statues of Benedict Arnold or the Rosenbergs. Do you?

    The fact they owned slaves is not the issue. In fact I believe at the start of the Civil War Lee own no slaves while Grant’s family did. If Owning slaves is the problem then we need to change our money, the names of our cities, states and Capitol. [Emphasis added]

    Compare, today’s, where you write (e.g.): Like when people operate like “Taliban” and “black nationalists” there is no *shame* in pointing it out. [Bold, added] Clearly, no moderately well educated adult can seriously equate these democratically created and acting municipal/state actors in removing monuments and tributes to traitors -slash- a detestable/defeated ideology (a de jure slaveholding society) with the Taliban. Any such analysis of such an equation (versus the facile proclamation of the equation) would fall apart upon itself at line 2 or 3. (Which is why, of course, one sees no such analyses attempted.) You wrote sensibly yesterday (above). Less . . . compellingly (let us say), today. Cheers.

    (Oh. By the bye . . . I do not think there is involved in this any question (as you wrote today) about “forgiving the past”. Rather, it’s about living together, with our brothers and sisters, in the present.)

    Q! (267694)

  150. @152 Hoagie, Hey! I really do not think that such proposals are likely to gain significant popular support, do you? I rest wholly unworried on this score.

    Q! (267694)

  151. But that same salesman comes back at sunset driving a black luxury SUV, Miss Haley is good to go, or so I’ve heard. Actually admire that woman a lot as one of the positives of this administration, though she might be the era’s equivalent of Jeanne Kirkpatrick in terms of what could have been.

    urbanleftbehind (964cd2)

  152. I have not done the research so I cannot confirm the truth of these assertions, but one thing that gave me pause in the reporting yesterday was the claim that many of the statues honoring Civil War era leaders of the Confederate states were put in place during the Civil Rights era of the 1960s.

    I think its a fair comment to suggest that the purpose of erecting the statutes wasn’t to “honor” leaders of the Southern States, but rather to “poke a finger in the eye” of the efforts to purge the South of its last vestiges of Jim Crow.

    Historically it cannot be denied that completely separate and apart from slavery, the Southern States had a distinct culture and ethos than that which existed in the New England States. It was not improper or a mistake in the aftermath of the Civil War to allow the former Confederate States to continue to recognize and celebrate their distinct history.

    But I see no public purpose in allowing to remain in place “monuments” to men that were put in place a century after those men rose to “prominence” when the ulterior motives for having done so are so pernicious, and they represent a symbol which is the subject of great friction between groups of AMERICANS.

    The Lee statue in Charlottesville was completed in the 1920s, as part of a donation of land by a wealthy residence for the creation of 4 public parks, one of which was “Lee Park.”

    So while it doesn’t have the direct antithetical link to the Civil Rights era of the 1960s, its not quite fair to say that it was erected in the aftermath of the Civil War to celebrate the life of Robert E. Lee.

    Charlottesville survived without a monument to Robert E. Lee from 1865 to 1927. If can survive is removal now.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  153. Yes, shipwrecked in Columbia, it was fritz ‘too much cinsuming” holdings, in Florida it was probably fuller warren, ymmv in other states.

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. Trump, Bowing to Pressure, Rebukes White Supremacists. 3:48 PM ET . NYT A “day” late (etc.), but there you go. Who said The Man was wholly “uneducable”?

    Q! (267694)

  155. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHNqm02V0AA1F80?format=jpg

    Trying to remember how many people were fired over denying freedom of speech at Berkeley, Yale, etc.

    harkin (af9684)

  156. There’s a swell locale in the news to establish a place for viewing all Confederate monuments: Guam.

    Call it Traitor Park. It’ll boost tourism and exist under a threat of nuclear incineration.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  157. Rip Joe bologna

    narciso (d1f714)

  158. @165- ‘My Favorite Year.’

    A Classic.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  159. Be careful which protest you attend…..unless you’re on the left:

    https://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers.jpg

    harkin (af9684)

  160. The great and good Thomas Sowell often noted that many black Americans are not content with equality; they want revenge, too.

    That’s what all of this is about. Of course, it’s not just blacks who want every symbol of the Confederacy removed from the public square; there are plenty of guilt-ridden white libs – plus the go-along, get-along conservatives whose wussiness led to the rise of Trump – that have jumped on the bandwagon as well.

    In the meantime, you can take this to the bank: once “they” have gotten rid of Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jefferson, “they” will be coming for crosses and every other public symbol of Christianity.

    Deuce Frehley (7654f5)

  161. So I read that there’s somebody on Twitter who is “outing” the white supremacists at Charlottesville. One marcher’s father disowned him when he saw his picture; another got fired from his job at some business in Berkeley. (Where else?)

    Antifa marchers asked if they were concerned about the same thing happening to them, overwhelmingly replied: “What’s a father?” “What’s a job?”

    nk (dbc370)

  162. Apparently the only reason why nazis and confederates would identify with the party of personal responsibility is because liberals were mean to them.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  163. It’s like “cowboys and Indians” or “cops and robbers” that every kid used to know. From 1865 to 1965, the Republicans were the good guys and the Democrats were the racist segregationists, then they switched sides.

    nk (dbc370)

  164. From 1865 to 1965, the Republicans were the good guys and the Democrats were the racist segregationists, then they switched sides.

    Really, nk? Shit, I didn’t get the memo. So when my sister and I were marching in Alabama in 1967 we were really Democrats? And Lester Maddox, George Wallace and Orval Faubus were Republicans? Who knew?

    So when we look at every major city in America and realize they all have black ghettos and they’ve all been run almost exclusively by Democrats since the 1960’s we are to assume the Democrats are therefore the friends of black people and the Republicans are now racist bastards?

    I have never personally known a Republican anti black racist in my life. They may be out there but they seem hard to find.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  165. abc11.com/politics/durham-protesters…confederate-statue…courthouse/2308015/

    And another Johnny Reb bites the dust.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  166. http://abc11.com/politics/durham-protesters…confederate-statue…courthouse/2308015/

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  167. 139. Rev.Hoagie® (630eca) — 8/14/2017 @ 10:04 am

    BTW, the leftists in the media and government are doing it again. By “it” I mean playing with words and the definition of words.

    Moving the goalposts?

    Just like “global warming” became “climate change”, I think that happened because it’s more general and they can claim higher pecentages of scientists.
    just like *liberal* became *progressive*,

    That was a deliberate change of wording that started I think in 1976. I first heard it coming from Mo Udall, who ran for president that year. Progressive actually has worse connotations than liberal. It was used in 1948 by henry Wallce’s party. It took along time to catch on. But since they can’t use liberal any more they have settled on progressive when they have need of a word.

    just like a right to *health insurance* became a right to *health care*

    Maybe you should say the opposite – a right to *health care* became a a a right to *health insurance* Because giving emergency health care has been a requirement of the Medicare programm since 1986 under a law calle EMLATA. Medical ethics, enforced by medical licensinmg also tends to require it.

    Obamacare is not about giving people health care – it’s much more about ensuring hiospitals and doctors get paid. the whole worry about people getting cut off from Medicaid is about hospitals going bankrupt. Which cannot be taken with equaninimity. Maternal deaths from childborth are rising in rural America. This is partly becasue of malpractice insurance (which is priced by time and not number of patients. Hospitals have discontinued obstretical services ands even cardiological.

    and just like *antifa* communists were mislabeled *anti-fascists*

    That may not be so unfair. You just have to know what an “anti-fascist” is.

    they are now calling *white supremacists* *white nationalists*.

    I think thats anme they themsekves chose. David Duke prefers that to white supremacist.

    It’s a trick to condition the weak minded that nationalism is Nazism which it is not. Nazism is state socialism and if you don’t believe me read Mein Kampf.

    Lots of private companies existed under Nazism. Zyklon B poisxon gas wa smade by a private company. The boss or owner or person in charge was put on trial and executed by a British court in Germany – also the technical person but he was acquitted on the grounds he had no control over where the Zyklon B went.

    But it ia true that they are comflating racism, with advocacy of murder. What we have now though is much more advocacy of killing – that’s why the killing came from that side.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/15/please-son-renounce-hate-father-disowns-charlottesville-protest/

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  168. He wrote in a local paper: “[My son] once joked, ‘the thing about us fascists is, it’s not that we don’t believe in freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want. We’ll just throw you in an oven.’

    Taht about sums up the difference.

    The leftists also sometimes want to kill, but they want to kill police or Republican politicians – the others aim at the grass roots.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)


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