Jim Acosta Was Wrong to Claim Only British and Australian Immigrants Speak English
Jim Acosta embarrassed himself badly confronting Stephen Miller on camera yesterday. I thought the interchange was beneficial to the Trump administration and to opponents of illegal immigration everywhere. Rather than having a buffoon repeatedly sending whiny tweets about #FAKENEWS!! every day, or sending out petulant dwarves to tell blatant falsehoods, why not send someone out like Miller — who actually knows what he is talking about, and backs up his argument with facts and logic rather than lies and empty bravado?
I’m not a fan of Miller’s style in every respect. His aggression wears thin quickly. The repeated exclamations of offense struck me as a leftist way of dealing with the questions — and that’s not a compliment. But those criticisms take a back seat to my praise for Miller’s refreshing intelligence and ability to display coherent argumentation skills. If he works on his presentation, he could be very effective.
Nowhere were Miller’s more positive attributes (and some negative ones) more on display than in this particular interchange with Acosta. You remember it. It’s the exchange where Acosta suggested that only British and Australian immigrants speak English. The forceful way Miller refuted that silly argument was the highlight of the interchange. Here it is.
ACOSTA: But this whole notion of, well, they could learn, you know, they have to learn English before they enter the United States — are we just going to bring in people from Great Britain and Australia?”
MILLER: Jim, it’s actually, all I’m going to say, I am shocked at your statement that you think that only people from Great Britain and Australia would know English. It’s actually — it reveals your cosmopolitan bias to a shocking degree. That in your mind — no, this is an amazing moment. This is an amazing moment. That you think only people from Great Britain or Australia would speak English is so insulting to millions of hardworking immigrants who do speak English from all over the world. [Crosstalk] Jim, but you honestly, Jim, have you honestly never met an immigrant from another country who speaks English outside of Great Britain and Australia?
Miller is right.
Take a look at the requirements for someone to become a citizen. In addition to age, residency, and physical presence requirements, you must:
- Be able to read, write, and speak basic English.
- Have a basic understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).
- Be a person of good moral character.
- Demonstrate an attachment to the principles and ideals of the U.S. Constitution.
That’s a more impressive set of characteristics than is displayed by many actual U.S. citizens. And at the end of the process, one takes the following oath:
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.
I had the privilege of attending a naturalization ceremony at the Los Angeles Convention Center over 20 years ago. I attended at the invitation of a judge for whom I was clerking, who took part in the ceremony, so I had a great view of the crowd. I’ll never forget looking out on the sea of people speaking those words. Thousands of people, of all races and nationalities, from countries all over the world. People who had passed a basic civics test and who had demonstrated good moral character. Those people were reciting — in English! — words of allegiance to this country, with pride on their faces.
When you want to talk about the Statue of Liberty and the principles for which she stands, that’s what you’re talking about.
[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]
Definition of insanity is doing something over and over expecting a different result. Until they stop clicking on that link of lowest-common-denominators and stop nibbling at Trumps instep, they will continue to fill the VW with more and more clowns cuz it works.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 9:11 amI was blithely joking that a conservative loyalty oath would lead to previous levels but I’m not sure even that would be enough.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 9:14 amthe President Trump agenda sure is a lot more conservative than what we had when george w and his daddy issues were president
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/3/2017 @ 9:38 amI’m not a Stephen Miller fan, but he did the country a great service yesterday by assisting in Jim Acosta’s epic beclowning of himself on national TV. Well done, sir.
M. Scott Eiland (b97d1e) — 8/3/2017 @ 9:40 amJom Acosta forgot about Ireland? And Canada? (from which people have to go through the same thing as from other places)
Not to mention that English is a second language in many countries and is taught in schools.
But the thing is, under this proposal it would hardly be enough to be able to speak English and even have a college degree.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 9:49 amWish I knew Jim Acosta. I met a young immigrant from Belorussia who speaks beautiful English! Jim would be truly shocked, so I wish I could introduce them.
My experience with new citizens, who become ennobled by the education about the country and subsequent oath taking, was during the Bell scandals of a few years ago. I’m sure LA people can remember it. A man from I think the ME, gave a very nice disquisition on a TV news report about why they were protesting the city council and how these criminals violated the Constitution. Excellent!
Patricia (5fc097) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:01 amNow the leftosphere is claiming “cosmopolitans” is ‘Soviet-speak’ for ‘Jews’.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/893144000047263744
If only Miller were Jewish, oh wait.
harkin (c0421f) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:19 amHarkin, the Soviet speak business was true. When Stalin died, he was allegedly in the midst of laying the groundwork of inflicting yet another genocide on the Jews of the Soviet Union. The so-called Doctor’s Plot was the first step of that plan. “Cosmopolitan” was the code word then used to refer to Jews, and even though the genocide plan died with Stalin, the usage continued for much of the Soviet era.
But as far as I know, that stopped with, or even before, the end of the Soviet Union.
Which is why I used the past tense in my first sentence.
kishnevi (d5e622) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:50 amOf course nowadays most people heard the word Cosmopolitan and think, “woman’s magazine”.
kishnevi (d5e622) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:51 amBTW, there is a big difference between knowing the English language and speaking it. Living in an area with a high immigrant population, I get hit with about twenty different accents a day. Not all of them are very intelligible on first hearing (think of those calls you make to service centers in India or Indonesia), and some of those unintelligible speakers come from placed in which English is the supposed native language (say, Jamaica or the inner city).
kishnevi (d5e622) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:55 amI guess, if Costa could do so before a rude interruption, he could have produced an exhaustive list of English speakers for the incorrigably Literalist factions. But I think they would still wiggle out.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:57 amAcosta..
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:57 amJim Acosta Was Wrong to Claim Only British and Australian Immigrants Speak English
That’s out of context from the complete exchange; Acosta is guilty of letting it get personal given his Cuban heritage but in the Aussie/Brit comment he was reaching for an extreme example in the heat of the give and take.
Miller is right.
Not quite:
“You Are Exempt From The English Language Requirement, But Are Still Required To Take The Civics Test If You Are: Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (green card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).”
https://www.uscis.gov/…citizenship/citizenship…naturalization/exceptions-accommodations
If he works on his presentation, he could be very effective.
… Ya vol!!
How Stephen Miller Rode White Rage from Duke’s Campus to Trump’s West Wing
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/stephen-miller-duke-donald-trump
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:58 amPOTUS should be required, as calif.once did, pass a Constitution test in order to graduate Jr High. THAT would maybe make a difference, perhaps..
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:01 amThis does strike me as an example of how the Left lets its ideology blind it to the obvious.
If they were smart, they would argue that merit based immigration permits–at least as they are structured in the RAISE bill–will hurt the middle class (after all, all those educated English speaking foreigners aren’t going to come looking for jobs as field hands) more than help the rest.
But they’d rather talk identity politics, of course.
kishnevi (d5e622) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:01 amCosmopolitan was a code-word which meant “has loyalties outside the Soviet Union”
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:02 amSuppose, to be allowed to vote, a citizen had to recite a similar oath at age 18:
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:05 am“they’d rather talk identity politics, of course.”
Nonsense. We’d prefer you adopt some sense of metaphor, but your literalism take offense.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:06 amhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan
kishnevi (d5e622) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:08 amhttp://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/australias-pm-slowly-realizes-trump-is-a-complete-idiot.html
Aussies speak American
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:08 amI guess Ben doesn’t realize that folks here think I’m the Leftie. 🙂
kishnevi (d5e622) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:08 amWhat they say: “metaphor”
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:09 amWhat they mean: “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less.”
I guess Ben doesn’t realize that folks here think I’m the Leftie
Or me.
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:10 amKish: Appalled is Left of you and he used to be appalled moderate
Goalposts have shifted far right. I’m actually moderate by 1980 standards.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:11 amI’ve watched some Aussie TV and their PM is always portrayed as an idiot, or a scoundrel, or both.
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:11 amKevin a leftie?
So was Reagan
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:12 amIn 1980, the Democrat Party split over issues such as “should we nationalize the oil companies” and whether allowing truckers to set their own rates, and haul stuff both ways was to be legalized.
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:13 amBernie was a moderate in 1980’s Dem Party.
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:13 amYes, you see labels are meaningless today
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:15 amSo was Reagan
So was Heinlein in the 1930’s. He was an Upton Sinclair supporter, and ran for the CA Assembly on Sinclair’s EPIC platform..
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:16 amBen, you seem intent on making any conversation you participate in meaningless.
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:17 amThat’s why ID politics is so popular. Ez pz to stuff a category down the throat. Intellectual sloth..
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:17 amAnyway, trying to get back to the topic.
The oath that people freely take to become citizens reminds one of the cavalier attitude “native born” citizens have (i.e. those that do not have to take the oath).
Perhaps they should. Not doing so would not make them non-citizens, but it should set them apart as people who do not wish to defend or participate in the civic order. So, no vote, no military service, no government jobs, etc.
Not quite “Starship Troopers” but I see how you could get there.
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:21 am8. “……….But as far as I know, that stopped with, or even before, the end of the Soviet Union.
Which is why I used the past tense in my first sentence.”
Exactly, which is why anyone bringing it up to say Miller was employing a Soviet-era term to imply “Jews” is a liar/moron and just throwing crap at the public wall to smear the Trump admin. and possibly even to perpetuate the Russian collusion meme.
But bringing up the Soviet Union and their methods of dishonesty, oppression and murder to spread socialism/communism is always welcome when it’s not being used to smear people. Good post.
harkin (c0421f) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:22 amReally. Bernie LOVED the Soviet Union. He honeymooned there. He liked Castro, too. That gets a pass hoever, but use a term that has a 87th definiton of “Jew” in the OED and, presto, you’re a Nazi.
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:25 amI can predict the response but will ask anyway..what if just One of them is legitimate?
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/montreal/olympic-stadium-houses-asylum-seekers-1.4231808
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:28 amAny embrace by right wing ideologues for the piss-and-vinegar bravado spewed from the likes of a Stephen Miller is sadly, if not alarmingly, misplaced.
“Our opponents, the media and the whole world, will soon see, as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.” – Stephen Miller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWF8iRCan7I
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Today’s Beldar the Bitter ‘Watergate, Watergate, Watergate’ Words of Wonder:
“On May 22, [1973], I stated in very specific terms—and I state again to every one of you listening tonight these facts—I had no prior knowledge of the Watergate break-in; I neither took part in nor knew about any of the subsequent cover-up activities; I neither authorized nor encouraged subordinates to engage in illegal or improper campaign tactics.” – President Nixon lying to the American people, televised Watergate speech, August 15, 1973
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:31 am“Stephen Miller is as funny as Dennis Miller”
Larry David
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:33 amYes there was,a series called the papers where they suggested Murdoch would provoke a coup, similar with the original edge of darkness that young Clapton scored.
narciso (f0f969) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:35 am‘Geevum!’ McMasters. I love the independence.
https://www.circa.com/story/2017/08/03/politics/susan-rice-keeps-top-secret-security-clearance-hr-mcmaster-letter-says
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:35 amThis,is the one,
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0285393/
narciso (f0f969) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:37 amCOSMOPOLITAN MEMORIES
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/03/the-ugly-history-of-stephen-millers-cosmopolitan-epithet-215454
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:38 amOr recently: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4976512/
Kevin M (752a26) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:39 amSee? You’ve aligned the Left with Susan Rice.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:40 amAre you second generation narciso?
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:42 amV for vendetta was an extreme example, Moore dissavowed.
narciso (f0f969) — 8/3/2017 @ 11:55 amGee, after reading Trump’s leaked phone transcripts w/t Mexican and Aussie leaders, maybe Miller outta play telephone for him, too.
Howz dat wall Mexico is gonig to pay for coming along?
Winning!
“…All in all it’s just another brick in the wall; All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.” – Pink Floyd ‘Another Brick In The Wall’ 1979
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 12:16 pmWhat Oath of Citizenship did Natural Born Citizen Don Jr violate? Is that from The Statue of Liberty Law?
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 12:58 pmForget Side-Show Bob; WSJ Breaking:
Special Counsel Mueller impanels DC Grand Jury in Russia probe.
https://www.wsj.com/…/special-counsel-mueller-impanels-washington-grand-jury-in-russia-probe
Tweet; nay, sleep well, Donald.
“Almost heaven, West Virginia; Blue Ridge Mountains; Shenandoah River; Life is old there…” – John Denver, Country Roads’ 1971
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:00 pm@11 Ben Burn E. Bro
Acosta must be a big fan of The Benson Inturruption.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:03 pm@20 Burn E. Bro
The smartest president ever said Austrians speak Austrian.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:06 pm@29 Ben Burn E. Bro
Tell that to the FDA.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:08 pmLarry David got cucked by Al “Second Chakra” Gore lol.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:15 pmMcMasters of the Universe sounds like a guy bent on Foriegn Expeditions.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:18 pm“So, when the Emma Lazarus poem Acosta so admires exhorted:
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
The actual immigration policy insisted on only admitting healthy immigrants who would be able to support themselves — very much the same as the policy announced yesterday.”
Why CNN’s Jim Acosta is Wrong About the Statue of Liberty
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/03/why-cnns-jim-acosta-is-wrong-about-the-statue-of-liberty/
harkin (c0421f) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:21 pmDid they hook up a secure room at Starbucks for Susan Rice or can she access everything at home?
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:23 pm@44
Aligned or maligned?
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:25 pm@47 DCSCA
Pretty sure Roger Waters is a huge anti-cosmopolitan.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:35 pmOff topic but worth a chuckle:
Half of the candidates for mayor of Detroit are felons…..and if one of the others is elected, chances are good he/she will be a future felon.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2017/08/02/half-detroit-mayoral-candidates-felony-convictions/104244406/
harkin (c0421f) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:40 pm@55 harkin
The Bush and Obama Doctrine was we will bomb your huddled masses and whoever survives can move to BF, Idaho and rape six year olds.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:46 pmJust based on the lack of response I’m totally winning today’s argument.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:48 pm@59 harkin
Before you go house shopping you get pre-approved.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 1:50 pmOnce in a while, the lefties betray their own low opinion of others.
English is among the most commonly spoken languages on Earth, mostly due to the dominance of the British Empire in the 18th and 19th centuries, and then the dominance of the United States in the post WWII era. There are literally millions of people around the world whose first language is anything from Chinese, to Hindi, to Hebrew, to French, to Swahili, who speak very good English as a second language.
When I was in college (admittedly an elite institution), I was amazed at the excellent English many foreign students from around the world were able to use, not just to order a pizza, but be educated to get an advanced degree.
The fact that Acosta thinks only people in Great Britain and Australia can speak good English just betrays what a racist clod he really is.
Bored Lawyer (998177) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:00 pmHarkin attempts derail:)
But he has the correct.political ID.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:00 pmWe just have a low opinion of lawyers, generally.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:01 pm“Just based on the lack of response I’m totally winning today’s argument.”
In the Land of myopia the blind man is King.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:06 pmin the land of england the queen is this vapid and nasty old broad named elizabeth
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:08 pmMueller empanels Grand Jury.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:08 pm63. Bored Lawyer (998177) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:00 pm
Maybe the incidence of good knowledge of Englsh is not so high in Central and South America. But it still ought to be somewhat high.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:09 pmthat’s kinda what corrupt fbi turdboys do isn’t it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:09 pmCosmopolitan is a word used by Stalin. Where did Millee get it from? It’s not in such common use nowadays. You ever heard anybody using it to describe people.
Sounds like maybe it came from the Russians. But that can’t be, can it?
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:11 pmNot that Miller was takoing talking points from Russians, but maybe somebody else. That is strange.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:12 pmCosmopolitan??
The word Miller should have used is “provincial” which is kind of like the opposite.
What’s going on here that he throws in a completely wrong word? It’s like he had this word “cosmopolitan” ready to use for anyone against the Trump endorsed immigration policy. (a bill with only two Senators sponsoring it)
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:17 pm@58. Pretty certain he’d drink one. In fact, several.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:17 pmThere are like 4 billion people in the world who would be better off if they were able to move to the U.S. Economically speaking, that’s a buyer’s market, and we have every reason to be choosy about who we let in.
matt d (d4aa6f) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:26 pmIn which Ben burn demonstrates the same mulit-layered stupidity and arrogance and finally insanity, insanity as Acosta.
The White House press room is supposed to be a forum where the hostile press can make speeches about administration policy? And it’s rude for a White House spokesman to interrupt the press when they’re making speeches?
This is the equivalent of me walking in on a group of home invaders who are raiding my refrigerator and kitchen utensils to make themselves a steak and egg breakfast. And Ben burn would then declare it rude should I try to interrupt them.
Do you want to double down on this? Because I’m no Trump fan, but this is how you get more Trump. For the judicial nominees alone, I’m glad you’ve signed on to the Reelect Trump 2020 campaign, Ben
The larger point is that while the reporter might have come up with a longer list during his rude interruption of a WH press briefing, it still would have been based upon his inherent racism. His ignorant prejudice that the WH was basing its immigration policies on white supremacy.
It never would have occurred to Jim Acosta, or Ben burn, that non-whites across the globe routinely speak English. Probably because liberals believe it’s racist to teach blacks who live within what remains of our borders English.
Ever been to the Philippines, Ben? They freaking speak English. In fact, as of 2015 the Philippines had become the call-center capital of the world. Although India still dominates the world when it comes to the IT industry and call centers. Why? Because they speak English.
I just searched on this. India has a population of over 1.31 billion. Australia has a population of 24 million souls. If only 10% of India’s population speaks and reads English,131 million, you’ll find several times the number of English speakers on the Indian subcontinent as you’ll find on the entire continent of Australia.
In fact, there are only 54.3 something million residents of England. So combined, should only 10% of Indians speak and read English, there are far more qualified immigrants on the Indian subcontinent alone (should the ability to speak and read English become a beneficial factor) then the first two countries that came to dim Jim Acosta’s prejudiced and bigoted little mind.
Oh, and then there’s sub-Saharan Africa. Ever been to South Africa, Ben? How about Kenya, the home of our former President’s father who didn’t need to go to ESL class before enjoying his US scholarships.
My only answer to you, Ben burn, is the same I’d offer to Jim Acosta. I’m a 1st Amendment absolutist. Please, continue to speak out. America needs to hear you.
So it can point and laugh.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:42 pm8. kishnevi (d5e622) — 8/3/2017 @ 10:50 am
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:49 pmSteve57 @76. But the one thing this sort of mistake isn’t, is “cosmopolitan” bias. Miller seems to have emitted the word at the wrong moment.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:52 pm“Which is why I used the past tense in my first sentence”
…is a quote from kishnevi @8 that didn’t get deleted in my #77.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:54 pm“In which Ben burn demonstrates the same mulit-layered stupidity and arrogance and finally insanity, insanity as Acosta.”
In our Trumplandia, words suffice for reality..”If I say it, it’s True”
Ben burn (dea2a4) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:57 pmSammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:52 pm:
You need to calibrate your irony meter, or acquire one.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 2:59 pmOh, no, you’re talking about the transgenderists across town. The ones who insist gender and consequently sexual attraction is “fluid.”
Why, just a couple of years ago they were telling us that gays and lesbians are “born this way.” Their sexuality is hard-wired. So it would be cruel to deny people who are hard-wired to be attracted to people of the same sex the ability to marry each others.
The “B” in the title of some supposed LGBT community gets ignored a lot. What does it signify? Bisexual (shudder). The dreaded binary!
So now we have Same Sex Marriage. And the Transgender advocates come along and acknowledge every single argument the “LGBT community” used to get it is all bulls**t and now everything is “gender fluid” or “gender creative” and I’m supposed to buy it.
Ben burn, how easy do you think it was supposed to be to gaslight me? Especially because I knew you were lying to me all along.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:09 pmYou guys sure bandy around that LIAR word. You must be one of those leftists rumored to inhabit the blog.
I had your number when your comment did not even reference the first thread comment which is odd because it addresses your concern trolling
Ben burn (dea2a4) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:14 pmI’d rather be a smart a$$ than a dumb a$$.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:15 pm@69 Sammy
I listened to an interesting podcast where Joe Rogan was interviewing Steve Rinella. SR had just returned from a trip to Guyana.
He said it’s the only country in SA that has English as its official language. SR was in a remote jungle village where he has developed a friendship with a guy in his 30’s. This guy had zero knowledge of Jonestown or really much outside the borders of his area. But he spoke perfectly conversational English.
In fact, SR said it was a little disquieting listening to the guy talk about witch doctors with no inflections or a translator.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:26 pmObservers, please note that all Ben burn offers as evidence is sophistry consisting entirely of regurgitating his own comments.
For the record, Ben. Thanks for playing, d***less.
And brainless. You don’t have a big one. You don’t have a little one.
My question for you, Ben, is the same one I have for Jim Acosta. Is it possible to embarrass you to the point where you slink away in humiliation? Because all indications are that people like you are incapable of such self-awareness while the people who observe you can see the entirety of what is going on.
America is embarrassed for Jim Acosta. And, if the rest of world or just the country knew who you were, Ben, they’d be embarrassed for you.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:30 pmThat’s a very good set of standards for grading presidential candidates too.
Bob (81911f) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:33 pmSteve, truly that was a takedown worthy of Miller skill. You have pricked my sleeping conscience with your screed for the ages. I will retire now.
Ben burn (dea2a4) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:41 pmWell, frankly this thread is kind of boring. Luckily I have no life, so it’s all a wash anyway. Topic pertinent comment: Acosta said a moderately stupid thing (as one does) and Miller is something of a dick (actually “more than something of”, but I’d venture towards opinion vs. fact in so saying).
@85 More importantly is post 85. I actually learned something (w/ some hopes of retaining it to boot). According to wikipedia, Guyana is 28.4% Hindu! That cannot be right, of course . . . but it is. And 43.45% Indian (as in the subcontinent). Obviously false, yet not (apparently). So, thanks, y’all (especially Pinandpuller).
Q! (267694) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:49 pmthere’s a strange one in the jungle
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:59 pmI don’t pretend to be a mind reader. Perhaps some of this is true. And, also, I don’t mind a sneering or hostile tone. As long as you can back it up. Which I am prepared to do and Ben burn can not. I did not prove my case. I simply outlined how I would go about making my case and the rich veins of ore I would mine to make it so. I can make my case, most definitely.
So Ben, best wishes in your retirement. And if you decide to come back from retirement bring better than what you brought before.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:00 pmQ! @ 8/3/2017 @ 3:49 pm doing what libs do.
Declaring whatever doesn’t fit the narrative merely a local crime story if not a non-issue altogether.
https://patterico.com/2013/07/21/if-only-there-were-a-case-where-a-white-teen-was-shot-by-a-black-man-who-claimed-self-defense-we-could-evaluate-obamas-comments-that-it-would-have-been-different-whats-that-there-is/
Meanwhile, white racists have declared open season on harmless black kids. Film at 11. Sez Q! shortly before abandoning the field.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:11 pmSteve,
I give you a ton of credit trying to call out the Soros bot for his obvious BS.
I just call him a Soros bot and move on. Most on here realize that’s all he is now.
NJRob (7f4bec) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:14 pm@89 Steve 57
He’s a lot like a DJ in how you have to be young or high to find profundity.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:21 pm@92 Steve57: boring then, and still boring. Sad!
Q! (267694) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:29 pmSecurity team wrestles and cuffs citizen at Trump WV White Trash rally; talks coal; Justice flips party affiliation.
What. A. Show.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:30 pmNJ, that hurts.
I only tried? I didn’t succeed? I thought I was pretty damned explicit.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:31 pm@89 Q!
Sorry, wrong number Steve 57!
I have have a thing about using hearing protection when I’m doing things so I listen to a lot of podcasts. I reference Joe Rogan a lot because he has diverse guests and long drawn out conversations. Much can be gleaned.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:36 pm85. Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 3:26 pm
South America maybe yes. There is also Belize, formerly British Honduras, in Central America, and some islands in the Caribbean, including Jamaica.
He spoke of them as people he (or was it otehrs?) turned to?
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:38 pm@96 DCSCA
Was it a citizen or a Dreamer? He’s not the only one.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:40 pm“There were no Russians in our campaign!… Are there any Russians here tonight?!” – President Trump. Donald goes rogue in WVA; talk fake Russia story and Hillary.
It’s Donald in 3D; Deflect. Dismiss. Deny.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:41 pm@10- Neither; just a larda$$ w/6 guys on him.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:42 pmYes, of course, say the weak minded.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:42 pm^100.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:42 pmDouble standard: A grand jury was enpaneled for the Trump or Russia investigation – but one hadn’t been for the Clinton emails, and that hamered the investigation.
A new leak fo aconversation Trump had with a foreign leader while president. This time with the president of Mexico. Trump told him the cst of the wall was the least impoortant thing or something like that but he can’t have him saying Mexico wont pay for the wall. he also said people in Mexco were respoonsible for the opiod epidemic (or fueling it) in the United States and New Hampshire was a drug infested den, and that’s why he won it. Only he didn’t. Hillary pulled it out, and also Nevada. He did win the first distrct of Maine and this probably helped in Pennsylvania and Ohio and Wisconsin.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:44 pmWVA Gov switching parties.
Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:44 pmSammy
SR’s friend was relating witch doctor politics in the village. It seemed a little weird coming from a guy speaking flawless English.
At a certain point they saw a giant Anaconda. The guy said if SR touched it with his bow his people believed it would die an agonizing death in about an hour.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:46 pmDCSCA
Just an honor student on his way to class.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:51 pm“Nothing in life is easy…” says the President who sits on and craps in a gilded golden throne.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:51 pm@108- The Sterling beer gut gets the honorable mention; he’s got that Wheeling feeling.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:53 pm“People waiting for hours and President Trump delivers” oozes Faux Newz poodle Dana ‘what Cuban Missile crisis’ Perino… apparently lots of unemployed w/time on their hands in WVA.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 4:59 pmLeaks that disfavor PDJT will flow from Witchsmeller Pursuivant Muller’s Grand Jury like grass from a goose.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:03 pm@110
Rubbing’s racing.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:07 pmI can’t wait to see who is on Jeff Session’s 5 AM wake up call list tomorrow.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:12 pmProbably Martha Stewart
mg (31009b) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:28 pm“He’s a lot like a DJ in how you have to be young or high to find profundity.”
Or you could enlist in the Word of the week CLUB. I’ll even kick in a thesaurus.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:30 pmBeats the h3ll out of Senator Fauxchantis’s assertion that I didn’t build that and President Lie-of-the-year Obama’s statement that if I like my doctor I can keep my doctor.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:32 pm” I thought I was pretty damned explicit.”
Ad homs are explicit, but your argument lacks specificity.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:33 pmAnd, by the way, so here you are.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:33 pmHe’s afraid you won’t go back and look and expose him as a liar.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:35 pmCambridge Analytics must be Cosmopolitan.
https://www.apnews.com/a250d1088af44a3b8b55275dc97de608
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:36 pmDid I say ‘your argument?
My error..
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:38 pmBen burn’s idea of an ad hominem argument.
Involving math.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:39 pmThat’s a lot of words to say..Liar!
Can’t you be less wordy?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:42 pmThe Wall Street Journal reported, citing two unnamed sources familiar with the matter, that the Washington, D.C. grand jury “began its work in recent weeks” and is separate from the one assisting with the probe into President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. The impanelment of that jury predated Mueller’s appointment as special counsel. The empanelment of a new, separate grand jury reflects the scope of Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the election and whether any members of Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:42 pmNo. You have earned the full treatment.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:43 pmWell then please arrange the words to reduce dissonance. Your associates would probably applaud.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 5:46 pmI’m a little surprised nobody has covered the eight or ten Mueller prosecutors who “bankrolled” democrats. I gather that’s supposed to be a bad thing.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:02 pmthe sleazy corrupt fbi is the nation’s most prestigious law enforcement agency
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:04 pmThat’s because it’s so hard to see them amongst all those Swamp Creatures in Trumpty Dumptys Admin.
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:05 pmha you did a rhymer!
you got it going ON tonight
happyfeet (28a91b) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:06 pmhttp://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/lloyd-blankfein-so-many-goldman-sachs-alums-trump-admin-inconvenience-n757076
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:07 pmI’m surprised Patterico hasn’t attracted the self-aware. How many broken promises have you personally experienced after St Donaldus vomited them up?
Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:10 pm@119 – Oh Steverino: and, by the way, not in WVA and not at a Trump rally. But you have that Wheeling feeling 24/7– dontcha.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:15 pmBurn E. Bro
When I want to brush up my vocabulary I reread tThe Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. Shokran.
Pinandpuller (cacf2d) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:18 pm@133. Mueller gone over his red line; he’s going to have to muse over the newxt step in Bedminister for 3 weeks before Congress boxes him in. Expect a dismissal, a rehire, more probes and impeachment chatter w/a resignation to protect the family business pending results post midterms.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:20 pmVocabulary is only one arrow in the quiver. About your alliteration…needs work.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:22 pmArchibald Cox!
History rinsed and repeats.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:23 pmhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Cox
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:25 pmhttp://thehill.com/homenews/senate/345261-senate-blocks-trump-from-making-recess-appointments-over-break
Cuck-blocked
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:28 pmCue it up
“A Grand Jury will indict a ham sandwich”
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:32 pmTrump is spam-in-a-can.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:34 pmThanks for giving me the opportunity to give another pov, Patterico. You have allowed me the range to counter the closed system which shuts out contrary opinion. You are a model for all blogs.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:41 pm143/FeelTheBurn:
Everyone has a right to be obtuse, but Patterico could still ban you for abusing the privilege.
Lenny (5ea732) — 8/3/2017 @ 6:56 pmThat’s your answer? Really, not much debating actually occurs.
Ben burn (d43e24) — 8/3/2017 @ 7:01 pmBut, SPAM comes out of a can. Always has. Are you admitting that you in your elitism didn’t even know that? I have a can of SPAM on my kitchen counter.
What’s your next move, elitist?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 9:34 pmhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AqCxfV4L3Lg/TbCbVuCf6HI/AAAAAAAAEpA/DCBBIrhKSVk/s1600/_MG_1849.jpg
I can’t believe me and my musket have to put up with this x**t.
Two words. SPAM Musubi. Yeah, it comes in a can, dumbs***.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 8/3/2017 @ 9:44 pmFun fact: the official language of both Singapore and India is English. Both former Brit colonies with a multi-lingual population, so when they got independence, they continued to use English for official government business,rather than pissing off the others by picking one of the native languages. The government employees were already using it. Sometimes the accent makes conversations… interesting… but I never had any trouble communicating in either country in good old fashioned ‘murrican.
bud (91be34) — 8/5/2017 @ 8:14 pmMost Singapore natives are ethnically Chinese, some are Malay. India natives are, by some reckoning, actually Aryan. Damned dark-skinned, though 😛
White supremacy… right.