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5/30/2017

Mayor Of Portland: Speech For Me, But Not For Thee

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:21 am

[guest post by Dana]

In the aftermath of Friday’s horrific knife attack on a Portland train that left two courageous men dead and a third hospitalized after heroically attempting to defend two young women from a deranged individual, Portland mayor Ted Wheeler is requesting the federal government shut down the scheduled “Trump Free Speech Rally,” or in the words of Mayor Wheeler, the “alt-right rally,” in his city on June 4. There is also another not-yet-approved “March Against Sharia” rally on June 10, for which the mayor also wants permits denied. From Mayor Wheeler’s Facebook page:

1) I have reached out to all of the victims and their families, including the two women who were terrorized and subjected to such hatred and bigotry. I have offered my unconditional assistance and support, day or night.

2) I have confirmed that the City of Portland has NOT and will not issue any permits for the alt right events scheduled on June 4th or June 10th. The Federal government controls permitting for Shrunk Plaza, and it is my understanding that they have issued a permit for the event on June 4th.

3) I am calling on the federal government to IMMEDIATELY REVOKE the permit(s) they have issued for the June 4th event and to not issue a permit for June 10th. Our City is in mourning, our community’s anger is real, and the timing and subject of these events can only exacerbate an already difficult situation.

4) I am appealing to the organizers of the alt-right demonstrations to CANCEL the events they have scheduled on June 4th and June 10th. I urge them to ask their supporters to stay away from Portland. There is never a place for bigotry or hatred in our community, and especially not now.

5) I am calling on every elected leader in Oregon, every legal agency, every level of law enforcement to stand with me in preventing another tragedy.

Mayor Wheeler is openly advocating that protected speech by Americans be quashed because he disagrees with what they believe. This same mayor seeks to use the power of the federal government to deny a group their right to exercise speech, hateful or not. Shame on an elected official believing this is justified. And shame on the mayor of Portland for willfully ignoring the Oregon State Constitution:

Freedom of speech and press. No law shall be passed restraining the free expression of opinion, or restricting the right to speak, write, or print freely on any subject whatever; but every person shall be responsible for the abuse of this right.

But mostly, shame on the residents of Portland for not calling out their mayor on such a significant misstep. For truly, if the mayor is that concerned about a rally supporting the president increasing tensions in an already tense situation, why not just provide a greater presence of law enforcement and more security? One might be inclined to ask, exactly why has it become increasingly difficult for law enforcement to effectively do their jobs when faced with protests these days?

The Washington Post, in a report incredibly and ironically titled,”Portland mayor asks feds to bar free-speech and anti-sharia rallies after stabbings,” notes that the Oregon ACLU opposes the mayor’s request:

The American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon criticized the mayor’s attempts to shut down both rallies, saying the government can’t revoke or deny a permit based on the demonstrators’ views.

“It may be tempting to shut down speech we disagree with,” the ACLU tweeted, “but once we allow the government to decide what we can say, see, or hear, or who we can gather with, history shows us that the most marginalized will be disproportionately censored and punished for unpopular speech.”

“If we allow the government to shut down speech for some, we all will pay the price down the line,” the organization added.

According to the Washington Post’s go-to guy for clarification, Tom Hastings, “a longtime activist and professor in the Portland State University conflict resolution program,”:

[T]he mayor was on solid footing. The looming threat of violence at the rallies justified a shutdown while the city worked out a long-term solution, he said.

“I know these lines are perceived as pretty fuzzy when we’re dealing with constitutional First Amendment rights,” Hastings told The Washington Post. “But there’s no long fuse anymore. Everybody’s fuse seems to be quite short.”

The mayor’s spokesman, Michael Cox rationalized the mayor’s position this way:

“The mayor is not seeking to limit the content of speech. “He is seeking to prevent violence.”

Further, the Mayor Wheeler gave this statement to Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB):

“The current political climate allows far too much room for those who spread bigotry”

Indeed it does.

(Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.)

–Dana

110 Responses to “Mayor Of Portland: Speech For Me, But Not For Thee”

  1. Good morning. This shutting down of speech we find offensive should be troubling to everyone. Beyond it being protected speech, the reasons to protest these actions seem so obvious. But apparently they aren’t.

    Dana (023079)

  2. The killer was also a Bernie Sanders/Jill Stein supporter. That would pretty much required denying permits to any rally in Portland.

    Proud Prolifer (85c7ef)

  3. after seeing so many people who were sympathetic to sleazy fascist evan mcmullin’s deplatforming campaign against Mr. Yiannopoulos

    it’s hard to take the right seriously anymore when they virtue signal about how committed they are to free speech

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. Intimating that a speech event should be shut down in order to “prevent violence” seems to incentivize violence by the opponents of the speech. If violence against speakers leads to subsequent prior restraints on speech, then violence against speakers is incentivized.

    You wanna prevent violence? Send out the police to protect those engaging in speech. Preventing violence and preventing speech must remain two entirely separate things.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  5. The mayor of Portland is not expressing any regrets that he is asking for this.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  6. They seek to prevent violence, which is good, and nobody would argue with that.

    Then, the old switcheroo: they classify speech they don’t like as akin to violence.

    Not an argument in good faith.

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  7. Yeah, the mayor is not saying the danger of violence is from counter-demonstrators. He’s saying it’s from the people holding the rallies.

    Evan McMullin is not a government official. Neither am I. We can tell Milo we don’t want to hear what he has to say and we can tell anybody else who cares to listen to us to stay away from him.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. Didn’t they cancel the rose parade or threatened to over there.

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. But I think the mayor is trying to cheat the Department of Homeland Security and the Intelligence Units of the Oregon State Police and the Portland police of a golden opportunity. Here’s their chance to photograph some of the area’s alt.right. With face-recognition technology, their pictures can be digitally coded and cross-matched against photo ID databases, such as drivers licenses, gun permits, passports, mugshots, etc., and they can be identified — name, address, DOB, SSN. Even if they’re not rounded up right away, they can be put on red-flag list, so whenever they come into contact with law enforcement, they’ll receive “closer scrutiny”.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. what happened at CPAC showed us that the evan mcmullin right is more than happy to shut down opposing speech when they think they can get away with it, and that’s all that’s happening here

    the mayor’s urging the federal government to shut down the event planned for June 4, and he’s asking people not to come to the demonstrations

    the cpac deplatformers and the mayor of portland are two peas in a fascist pod

    this is just how failmericans roll anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. Actually until recently mcmuffins was head of the house study group I know snorfle and he played the acroyd part from spies like us.

    narciso (d1f714)

  12. Or possibly Charles grodin’s in Ishtar if grodin were bald but seriously where is the investigation of why that loon was in the streets.

    narciso (d1f714)

  13. The killings weren’t about bigotry. They were about frank mental illness portly managed, that place the ill persona d all around him a t risk. The very evening pror it was clear he was dangerously I’ll and authorities not only failed to confine himthey ignored repeated complaints and warnings altogether.

    HW was a madman raving, and saying he wanted to stab people.

    In a humane world he would have been confined to a long term residential facility long ago.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  14. The fact they can’t get to that fundamental point, Sarah as with the tucson murderer of judge John roll and that girl.

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. Leftist fascism no different from what thugs like Chavez did in Venezuela.

    NJRob (520017)

  16. 9. Couldnt the mayor get Governor Scissor to call out the Oregon National Guard as well? Whoever CO’ed, didnt report or stood down could also be added to the List!

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  17. @ Leviticus,

    Preventing violence and preventing speech must remain two entirely separate things.

    I agree. However, this would not benefit the extremists on both the left and right who need them lumped together to push their accusations against their opponents and bolster their own victimization.

    Dana (eaa4a8)

  18. Trump approval rating:

    Rasmussen 48%

    Fox News 40%

    Sad

    Spartacvs (2db708)

  19. Trump should not only take him to task, but send a company of Marines to protect them from locally-supported attacks.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  20. Keep Portland Weird.

    Pious Agnostic (c45233)

  21. OT Interesting fact: About half of all U.S. households do not have landlines, but it’s different by region – in particular it is different in the noertheast.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Scott_Rasmussen%27s_Number_of_the_Day_for_May_19,_2017

    Only 34.2 percent) of adults in the Northeast are living in households with only wireless phones, but it’s 53.0 percent in the Midwest, 53.4% in the West and 55.4% in the South for an overall average of 50.8%. The “South” includes West Virginia, Maryland and Delaware and DC. The northeast includes New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

    This is all probably due to the high cost of installation, which has bene highh for some time now, maybe sinmcve the 1980s. At first probably people still installed landlines because of the limitations of cell phones, including no dial tone at times, and the possibility of them being verheard. But now:

    73% of those 21-29 and 71% of those aged 30-34 are without landlines. The percentage with no landline for people who rent (71.5 percent) is considerably higher than for homeowners. (That’s probably only for frequent movers. Places with rent control or rent stabilization are probably different.)

    Samy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  22. Someone ought to get some good vantage points of this rally and film the predictable melee: Cops standing aside while organized “citizens” with masks and iron bars attack the demonstrators.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  23. Rose Snowflake City

    It’s very doubtful the Feds will rescind the permit which makes the mayor’s public announcement a call for an antifa idiot’s assembly. He won’t be held responsible for idiots behaving like idiots but his utter transparency should be noted.

    Rick Ballard (4fdfcf)

  24. hrm

    National Soros Radio
    makes no mention of the possibility the train murder guy might be mentally ill

    here’s their description of the fellow

    Wheeler’s comments come days after a man on a Portland train shouted racial and religious hate speech, some of it directed at two women, police say. The man then stabbed three male bystanders who apparently tried to intervene, killing two of them. Local media say the suspect in the stabbing has been identified as a white supremacist.

    […]

    The “Trump Free Speech Rally” is advertised as featuring Kyle Chapman, who is popular among alt-right groups and is famous for hitting an anti-fascist demonstrator with a stick. “There will be speakers exercising their free speech, live music, flags, and an uplifting experience to bring back strength and courage to those who believe in freedom,” the Facebook post for the event says.

    The suspect in Friday’s stabbing, Jeremy Joseph Christian, “attended a similar far-right rally on April 29 called a ‘March for Free Speech’ in East Portland,” member station OPB reports. “Police confiscated a baseball bat Christian took to the rally. He frequently used the n-word and saluted Hitler.”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. I live in the heart of Los Angeles, a couple miles from LAX. I have no cell service at home. This is not due to unwillingness by the cell companies, but a combination of geology and particularly active Luddites fighting those cancer towers.

    Large residential neighborhoods can be difficult to build towers in, as no one wants the tower near them. While the radiation worry is miniscule (they take pains to shape the beams horizontally, not down), the towers are butt-ugly and no one wants a butt-ugly tower near their house. And of course the Luddites.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  26. National Soros Radio makes no mention of the possibility the train murder guy might be mentally ill

    They couldn’t delve that deeply because not only was he mentally ill, he was a Sanders supporter.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  27. Yes. “Seeking to prevent violence.” I suppose this will be the current go to excuse for suppressing free speech and views you disagree with.

    Darren M. (a4eb00)

  28. Multnomah County GOP chair James Buchal, however, told the Guardian that recent street protests had prompted Portland Republicans to consider alternatives to “abandoning the public square”.

    “I am sort of evolving to the point where I think that it is appropriate for Republicans to continue to go out there,” he said. “And if they need to have a security force protecting them, that’s an appropriate thing too.”

    Asked if this meant Republicans making their own security arrangements rather than relying on city or state police, Buchal said: “Yeah. And there are these people arising, like the Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters.”

    Republicans going to the mattresses, oh sure that’s going to calm tensions. Not.

    Spartacvs (2db708)

  29. I am going to bet that if it was a Trotskyite convention attacked by people waving flags, the police would be out with their batons toot suite, and no one would suggest that violence should be tolerated.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  30. Republicans going to the mattresses, oh sure that’s going to calm tensions. Not.

    Calm tensions? Fine. Let them have their little demo without all the violent threats. Call me when you have it set up.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  31. Cold Civil War. I’d like it better if our general wasn’t a moron.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  32. An official invitation from the Republican Party to involve right wing militia groups is a significant provocation. Let law enforcement deal with it.

    Spartacvs (2db708)

  33. @ Kevin M,

    Cops standing aside while organized “citizens” with masks and iron bars attack the demonstrators.

    This hasn’t mattered at UC Berkeley, etc, so why would it make a difference here? The die is already cast by the left, and the media. If you doubt me, just ” google any article about this from a leading media outlet and see their blanket designation of “alt-right,” as opposed to pro-Trump rally. The only way to go at this is as a speech issue. Trump needs to start madly tweeting Volokh etc on speech we don’t like being protected etc.

    Dana (006edf)

  34. Portlandia… Portlandians shout “cacao!!!” when things start getting out of hand.

    Colonel Haiku (0aee87)

  35. Maybe we are actually getting somewhere:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868979531641741313

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
    @realDonaldTrump

    I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere. ObamaCare is dead – the Republicans will do much better!

    4:57 PM – 28 May 2017

    . Donald Trump recognizes the need to spend more money. It won’t work without it, particularly pre-existing conditions. This is so even if the end result of various changes is more competition and less cost.

    I don’t think anybody needs this boasting [Republicans will do much better] though, which Trump seems compelled to include in his tweets. Trump is too simplistic, also.

    Today he also suggested that the Senate should go to 51 votes, arguing that the Democrats would do it anyway. He knows nothing good can happen with Obamacare (or taxes) if you need 60 votes.

    There is probably a way to allow debate and amendments and some slow down without needing 60 votes, by having a lot of off the floor electronic activity, with actions fixed at 3:30 am each weekday.

    Samy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  36. Is this going to be the first hate crime prosecution where the perp and victims are all white?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  37. Sparky is a brown-shirter from the National Socialist Party.

    Colonel Haiku (0aee87)

  38. Not a close call. If the mayor or the city refuses permits, they’ll be sued and they’ll lose and they’ll pay the plaintiffs’ lawyers’ fees.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  39. Fromm what the mayor of Portland says, you’d think the proposed rallies were ones cheering on the man who attacked the other passengers. Is there any basis at all for that opinion?

    Samy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  40. So, the guy with the knife is a Bernie Sanders fan, votes for Jill Stein, and the courageous mayor of Portland is shutting down a Trump rally??? Aside from the constitutionality of the action, where’s the logic? Why are democrats such totalitarians?

    Jimpithecus (2c9c93)

  41. Consider if the Federal Government revoked for the 4th and denied for the 10th.

    Dana (006edf)

  42. Beldar:

    For today, the narrative (free speech by Republicans is dangerous) is more important than winning the case. Considering the “jurisprudence” around Trump’s travel ban, I’m not sure I trust the courts, when the excuse of “because…Trump” is invoked.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  43. SarahW @13.

    13.The killings weren’t about bigotry

    Well, he switched taregts pretty easily. But I don’t know taht you can say what it was about. It was maybe about getting a dopamine rush.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  44. The suspect in Friday’s stabbing, Jeremy Joseph Christian, “attended a similar far-right rally on April 29 called a ‘March for Free Speech’ in East Portland,” member station OPB reports. “Police confiscated a baseball bat Christian took to the rally. He frequently used the n-word and saluted Hitler.”

    was he there cause he supported the “far-right rally” or did he go to protest the rally?

    for which reason would you be more likely to bring along a bat?

    National Soros Radio finds these questions and their answers to be super-exceedingly elusive

    journalism.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  45. I doubt I will ever go to a protest but I did notice some pretty rad motocross armored exoskeleton tops on Amazon, go to the Patterico sidebar. Black hoodie sold separately.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  46. who doesn’t need to pick up a few more cute summer tops

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. in other news, Lebanon banned wonderwoman because gadot is Israeli,

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. we have a million weirdo prejudiced lebanesers of our own special variety right here in failmerica

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  49. That’s your chick, Nars, you should go crash one of the wimmins-only showings.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  50. But Israel is like The Batcave: fictional.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  51. it’s actually quite a miracle if you consider both 48, and 67, Lebanon had it’s promise, but the plo and iran’s catspaws turned the country upside down,

    now I would be for a pause to all these demonstration, if moonbat wheeler showed just a self awareness, or the city council tried to hold the authorities responsible, but probably as with Tucson, the narrative is too inviting,

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. I don’t remember which podcast I heard it on, but basically there were two men developing the polygraph independently. One of those guys created Wonder Woman.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  53. !. Israeli Tanks

    2. Wonder Woman

    Choose one

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  54. and in the slithy toves of civility department, you find Kathy griffin,

    I probably see one movie a month, now, and that one will probably not be it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. Everyone should just chill and re-name the event to “Celebrate Portland, City Of Tolerance”…..maybe hire a couple of white women to cater burritos…..

    harkin (9fca6c)

  56. William Moulton Marston. His contribution to the polygraph was the systolic blood pressure test.

    WW’s name started as Suprema. Reminds me of this movie I watched last night called Gentlemen Broncos by the same guy who did Napoleon Dynamite. Don’t get me started.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  57. @54 narciso

    KG looks like a tranny. Reminds me of the movie Connie and Carla.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  58. Kathy Griffin Poses With Bloody Decapitated Head in Trump’s Likeness
    —Ace

    “Someone, I think Joe Concha, said on Twitter that CNN, if it were to follow its own claimed standards on incitement of political violence (which it never does, of course), must immediately announce that Kathy Grfifin will no longer host their embarrassing shambles of a New Year’s broadcast.

    But they won’t — as CNN supports political violence so long as the right people are being targeted for violence. Content warning for a vile lich-like Face of Death, and also, a prop severed Trump head.

    Fart within 100 meters of Ben Jacobs, though, and it’s the Apocalypse.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/369982.php

    Colonel Haiku (0aee87)

  59. The mayor sounds like he is acting like he’s not asking for something extraordinary. That could be interpreted as an attenpt to “normalize” suppression of speech and assembly.

    Sammy Finkelman (b66da2)

  60. 58/60. =yawn= Kathy Griffin?! So O.J. Only 130 days in and it’s New Year’s Eve already.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. @54. Menopause.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. the post doesn’t really make it clear that the fascist mayor of Portland called for the suffocation of his citizens’ constitutional freedoms on… Memorial Day

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. Kathy Griffen=Orange is the New Hack.

    Pinandpuller (981270)

  64. This hasn’t mattered at UC Berkeley, etc, so why would it make a difference here?

    Because the videos are all ground-level retail shots by demonstrators who are ducking iron bars. It doesn’t tell any story except “there was a melee.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  65. Not a close call. If the mayor or the city refuses permits, they’ll be sued and they’ll lose and they’ll pay the plaintiffs’ lawyers’ fees.

    I would not put it past the 9th Circus to come up with a “hate speech” exception.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  66. I Ain’t Kathy Griffin

    The Donald don’t read my mail

    No I ain’t Kathy Griffin

    The Donald don’t read my mail

    D List got me so far

    Won’t let no talent stop me now

    The gays begin to tweet

    All over West Hollywood

    And that ain’t all

    The gays begin to tweet

    All over West Hollywood

    It’s a Mean Girls world we live in

    I can’t Facebook by myself

    At all

    The gays begin to tweet

    All over West Hollywood

    The gays begin to tweet

    All over West Hollywood

    I’ve got a feelin’ about her future

    You want stripes with that, honey?

    I ain’t Kathy Griffin

    The Donald don’t read my mail

    No I ain’t Kathy Griffin

    The Donald don’t read my mail

    Bad looks have got me so far

    E True Hollywood won’t stop me now

    Pinandpuller (981270)

  67. Kathy Griffin is going to be crushed when the Secret Service reacts with “Who?” rather than knocking on her door.

    M Scott Eiland (1edade)

  68. here’s the trailer for the first/only movie directed by the guy that shot those hot and edgy CNN Kathy Griffin Trump decapitation pics

    Veronica, a teenage girl who’s new to town is lured out into the woods by a group of senior boys who hunt and kill girls for sport. Little do they know, Veronica is an assassin-in-training.

    and guess what it’s on the netflix now

    it looks like one of those movies where everyone learns important life lessons

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. a group of senior boys who hunt and kill girls for sport

    wha?

    this is a thing?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. ‘death of a president’ was inspired by a particularly violent anti w rally in the fall of 02, that was part of the genre of assassination porn, with Nicolson baker’s checkpoint,

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. even Mitt Romney says the CNN Kathy Griffin Trump decapitation pics are in bad taste

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  72. @ Appalled, who wrote (#42):

    Considering the “jurisprudence” around Trump’s travel ban, I’m not sure I trust the courts, when the excuse of “because…Trump” is invoked.

    That’s an excellent observation. I don’t think this Portland situation is likely to become another example of the phenomenon you are describing, but I do indeed share your concern about the phenomenon.

    Basically the Dems are trying to refine and extend their traditional practice of relying on judges, especially life-tenured, unelected federal judges, to subvert the separation of powers and upstring their checks and balances. And they’re doing it much more purposefully, strategically, than anything this dingbat in Portland could ever manage.

    When the judiciary claims the power to judge the executive’s motives, and to then use that as a supposed basis for “correcting” the executive’s resulting actions through judicial decrees, the American way of government will disappear and our Constitution will become as meaningless as those of Venezuela or Eritrea.

    This is going to be the next great task for a remade SCOTUS to confront and reign in sharply, in fact — and in a big hurry, but one that will probably have to await the retirement of either Justices Kennedy, Ginsberg, or Breyer.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  73. And, FWIW, the scorecard on the travel ban cases is very much a product of judge-shopping; I think even Justice Kennedy can snap to that and help fix it, but no one ought ever bet on correctly predicting Justice Kennedy on anything.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  74. Errata: In #73 above, I meant to write unstring, rather than upstring, which sounds like it ought be a word but isn’t, unless it’s a perhaps a musical instruction.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  75. retirement *or* untimely decapitation by an edgy cnn personality

    life comes at you fast

    so to speak

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. “what happened at CPAC showed us that the evan mcmullin right is more than happy to shut down opposing speech when they think they can get away with it, and that’s all that’s happening here . . . this is just how failmericans roll anymore”

    – happyfeet

    I agree, happy, but that’s an obscure way of describing it. I believe you are speaking about the #NeverTrump right and their disregard for constitutional norms.

    It was particularly clever of Wheeler to describe it as an “alt-right rally.” That man understands how to reach across the political divide to recruit the haters on the other side.

    “I would not put it past the 9th Circus to come up with a “hate speech” exception.”

    – Kevin M

    They’d be the ones to do it.

    I’m not certain why we need to get worked up over the foolishness of Mayor Wheeler when the biggest threat of Constitutional Nullification come from the judiciary.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  77. I thought it was an obscure synonym for lynching. It should be.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  78. more moral victories, ahead,

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/tipping-over-trump-1496180008?

    yes, that is what rick Deckard, thought regarding replicants,

    narciso (d1f714)

  79. yes yes Mr. ThOR the #nevertrump movement is fanatical and blinded to their own fanaticism by self-righteousness and zealotry :(

    President Trump terrifies them out of their freaking safe place cause he embodies a genuinely mortal threat to the prerogatives they’ve always taken for granted cause being able to take them for granted was the whole point of having them fancypants prerogatives from the gitgo

    in turn, the #nevertrumpers terrify people what love america democracy prosperity and freedom

    in summation there’s a lot of fear in the mix

    and that leads people to make poor decisions

    ***

    fear and hysterical old tomatoes

    If Trump pulls the US out of the #ParisAgreement he will be committing a traitorous act of war against the American people. – Tom Steyer

    smoke em if you got em boys

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. yes, this is the kind of sober consult I would agree to:

    https://www.nationofchange.org/author/tom-h-hastings/

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. The Merkava is unique in that the engine is in the front of the tank. That means if the hull is penetrated, the engine block stops the round. Not the crewmen.

    The IDF’s philosophy is that tanks can be replaced. But given their small population, trained tankers can’t.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  82. I have more sympathy for Wheeler than you might imagine.

    I read that in the recent big Berkeley Trump-riot, the City ran up a tab of $500,000 for overtime and inter-jurisdictional police backup. In Portland, it could be that much or more. My guess is that Wheeler’s biggest concern is simply picking up the tab, though he’s not about to say it.

    This is one of the reasons I think staging pro-Trump protests in big cities is a great idea. Bankrupt the b@stards and let the fascisti trash their merchants.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  83. Did they ever find those two “women in hijabs”? Do they even exist? Or was it a deranged man randomly spouting things that Portlanders didn’t like; thinking they were secure in their numbers they mobbed him; he defended himself exceptionally well; and the survivors created a convenient “political truth” also known as a lie about what actually happened?

    nk (dbc370)

  84. he was a full baby ruth full of crazy, even for Portland,

    narciso (d1f714)

  85. “I never thought I’d see the day when free speech was treated as some sort of right wing plot.”

    Jay Nordlinger – National Review – Oslo Journal Pt 2

    harkin (9fca6c)

  86. He doesn’t really believe it, Elizabeth. He just knows Republicans are stupid and they’ll buy it.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/espiers/status/868893815490445312/photo/1

    So true, at least for a certain subset of Republicans. But they aren’t the real problem. That would be the greater number of Republicans willing to overlook the obvious.

    Spartacvs (2db708)

  87. he was a full baby ruth full of crazy, even for Portland,

    1. How do we know that?

    2. Even if he was; and if there were two “women in hijabs; and even if he did tell them to “get off the bus”, and rant all other kinds of anti-Muslim things; did he do anything more than “mere words”, that would make him the initial aggressor and justify the “intervenors” coming to the defense of those women with concerted force or threat force against him?

    nk (dbc370)

  88. the Bolsheviks were for free speech, the sandinistas, Khmer rouge, until they get into the power, then you have the cheka, the turbas, and year zero,

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. picking up the tab

    how thoughtlessly (and fast!) this little wheeler man employs the most illiberal plan of action afforded him

    already he’s spent his store of integrity

    his coffers are empty now of anything what reveres freedom

    or might value the rights of the individual over the imperatives of the filthy fascist mob

    hillary you nasty diseased p.o.s. criminal pig

    you’ll always have portland baby

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  90. Did they ever find those two “women in hijabs”?

    they did and i think it turns out just one of them was wearing a thinger on her head

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  91. “They say what they want and we do what we want.” — FSB (successor to KGB) officer in Putin’s Russia

    Under a benevolent government, free speech is the gilding (gilt?) on the lily. In a sophisticated police state, it is how the authorities identify their enemies.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. Venezuela is not one of these, it’s dictatorship by chaos,

    http://www.babalublog.com/2017/05/30/the-day-the-music-and-freedom-died-in-venezuela/

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. You summed it up nicely, happy.

    And, yes, there is something terrifying about them. These are the Fellow Travelers who masquerade as conservatives. My concern is that the #NeverTrumpers have joined forces with the Left to use extra-constitutional measures to decamp our duly elected president. First, it was with their efforts to intimidate Electors into changing their Electoral College votes. Recently, they have shifted their efforts to invoke spurious justifications to impeach the president. These are frightening and profoundly anti-democratic efforts. These Machiavellians contribute to the existential risk so many of us worry about. And for what?

    ThOR (c9324e)

  94. fox news propaganda slut meghan mccain’s disgustingly illiberal and cowardly torture victim daddy

    he’s prancing around overseas telling people that america sucks ass and that he completely understands how our allies would doubt us

    #theydidsomethingtohisbrain

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  95. 58 – Kathy Griffin Poses With Bloody Decapitated Head in Trump’s Likeness
    —Ace

    After even Chelsea Clinton condemned her action and the Secret Service said they were investigating, Tranny Bonnaducci (aka Kathy Griffin) decided to apologize.

    harkin (9fca6c)

  96. we’re moving far afield,

    ‘mayor wheeler, can you explain what the heck went on here, how cAN the people of Portland be confident, this won’t happen again,

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. lol here’s the oath the fascist mayor of portland would have taken when he was sworn in

    I , (name), do solemnly (affirm or swear) I will support the Constitutions of the United States and the State of Oregon; Charter of the City of Portland and its laws; I will faithfully, honestly and ethically perform my duties as (Mayor/Commissioner/Auditor); I have no undisclosed financial interest in any business located in Portland or having contracts with the City; I hold no other office or position of profit; and I am not a member of any partisan political committee (; so help me God).

    that went out the window pdq huh

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  98. I wouldn’t accept her apology, furthermore if they went after hannity’s sponsor forcaaking a question?

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. Asking a question, how many sponsors should CNN lose for abetting this freak show?

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. the million moms don’t seem too concerned about it Mr. narciso

    but they’re super-pissed at clorox for advertising during sitcoms on TV Land

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. On topic, more or less. Texas has relaxed its anti-knife laws. https://lonestargr.com/legislative-updates/huge-2nd-amendment-victory-no-illegal-knives/

    As an aichmophile, this makes me happy.

    nk (dbc370)

  102. Well I concurr about claws, I guess they would agree about good behavior, but that’s next season

    narciso (d1f714)

  103. Portland’s mayor is using teh Coward-Snivilin’ strategy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  104. ACLU of Oregon via twitter to Portland Mayor:

    “1. The government cannot revoke or deny a permit based on the viewpoint of the demonstrators. Period.”

    2. It may be tempting to shut down speech we disagree with, but..

    3. once we allow the government to decide what we can say, see, or hear, or who we can gather with

    4. history shows us that the most marginalized will be disproportionately censored and punished for unpopular speech.

    5. We are all free to reject and protest ideas we don’t agree with. That is a core, fundamental freedom of the United States.

    6. If we allow the government to shut down speech for some, we all will pay the price down the line.”

    Bravo – hope they stay strong. The moonbat response on twitter is unreal.

    harkin (9fca6c)

  105. if you get your news from taxpayer-subsidized National Soros Radio

    it’s like the whole Kathy Griffin thing never happened

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. @108. Menopause.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. Griffin has always given men a pause.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)


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