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President Trump Sticks His Finger In Eye Of Big Media – Again

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:29 am

[guest post by Dana]

As you might recall, back in February, President Trump tweeted that he would not be attending the annual White House Correspondent’s dinner. Of course, there has been no love lost between Big Media and President Trump. Post-election, that is.

This weekend, the president announced that instead of attending the annual schmooze-fest of politicians, members of the media, and A-list celebrities, he would be holding a “BIG” rally in Pennsylvania on the 100th day of his presidency. According to staffers, this is not about the media, but about the people:

One senior White House official said the decision to hold the rally on Saturday night was less about the correspondents’ association dinner and more about how to spend the hours around Trump’s 100th day.

“The media is trying to make this about them when, respectfully, it has nothing to do with you guys,” said the official. “It’s about focusing on the people.”

It is certainly amusing to consider that any number of reporters that would otherwise be attending the annual dinner will now be compelled to travel to PA to cover the rally, and the very president whose “roasting” they would have wholly supported.

No matter if one has a less than favorable view of our president, when intentional and misleading reports like this from The New York Times are published, it’s amusing to see the president up the ante and push back against such a powerful and biased entity: Last week, Super Bowl champions, the New England Patriots visited the White House to be recognized by the president, as is the tradition. The Sports section of the New York Times, in reporting on the visit, tweeted a side-by-side photo of the team’s visit last week compared to their 2015 visit to the White House when President Obama was in office:


As much as President Trump has demonstrated his slight obsession about crowd sizes, this comparison by The Times was found to be a bit misleading. According to The New York Times Public Editor:

The problem, however, was that the photo taken Wednesday included only players and coaches, whereas the photo taken during President Obama’s tenure included over 40 additional support staff – who, this time around, were seated on the South Lawn – which greatly exaggerated the difference.

When this discrepancy was pointed out by the New England Patriots, the Times Sports section tweeted their mea culpas, and removed the picture. And after readers weighed in, Sports editor Jason Stallman offered this explanation to the Public Editor:


In response, the Editor gushed:

Bravo to the Sport’s editor for his honest response. Regrettably as the readers say, it gives ammunition to those who doubt The Times’ impartiality in matter of politics.

The only problem being, it was the Public Editors that reported:

The New York Times Sports section covered the visit, viewed through the political angle that several players skipped the event: only 34 players attended compared with the nearly 50 that attended the last time the Patriots won the Super Bowl, in 2015, when Barack Obama was president, according to a team representative.

Quite obviously, those who doubt The Times’ impartiality in matters of politics, do so with very good reason.


121 Responses to “President Trump Sticks His Finger In Eye Of Big Media – Again”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (023079)

  2. Good morning, Dana.

    Yes, the NYT is a house organ of the DNC. But …

    Who’s the idiot at the Trump White House who put half the Patriots’ people on the lawn, instead of on the steps like in 2015, so they could have their picture taken with the President too? It seems to me that lot most of Trump’s bad press is self-inflicted wounds.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. The NY Times has become a mockery of itself: what they profess to hate is what they have become.

    ropelight (2715b3)

  4. Trump should halt all athlete worship and stop meeting these felons.

    mg (31009b)

  5. It seems to me that lot most of Trump’s bad press is self-inflicted wounds.

    Speaking of hostile press. TDS still strong at Patterico.

    Any thought about why Obama’s people thought it important to inflate the numbers with staff people not on the team ?

    Mike K (f469ea)

  6. douchebag jack dorsey’s twatter is doing an amazingly effective job of demolishing mainstream propaganda slut credibility

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. As for the rally during the White House Correspondents’ dinner, that’s a twofer for Trump. Not only a poke to the media’s eye but also what he wants most — adulation from his fans.

    That boy do love getting hisself adulated. I’m looking forward to his meltdown on his first overseas trip, when he sees 5,000 Putin-financed International ANSWER demonstrators come out to “greet” him.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. Mike K, I’ll take the bait; 2 possible reasons:

    1. The President and Administration want to be seen as “down with the people” in this case, lower-level Patriots staff
    2. I didnt count heads, but Obama could have then copied that photo out as a check to see if the Pats were complying with the Rooney Rule organization-wide.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  9. Any thought about why Obama’s people thought it important to inflate the numbers with staff people not on the team ?

    Yes, by people who think instead of reflexively defending everything Trump does. It’s the decent thing to do. How many people, how often, get the chance to have their picture taken with the President at the White House? Or aren’t Patriots support staff important enough for Trump to be pictured with them?

    nk (dbc370)

  10. President Trump had way greener and healthier looking foliage plus he had more tables and also water available

    contrast that with obama who hardly made any effort cause he’s a lazy weak anorexic socialist mom jeans wearing turdboy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. if not for sally doing a great job in their marketing department, the new england patriots never would have scored the winning touchdown in the super bowl

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  12. president mr donald’s even making foliage great again

    before that nasty barack punk lectures the world about saving the planet, he should take care of his own backyard

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  13. 2. nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2017 @ 6:39 am

    Who’s the idiot at the Trump White House who put half the Patriots’ people on the lawn, instead of on the steps like in 2015, so they could have their picture taken with the President too?

    Trump’s staff didn’t look back at what previous presidents had done.

    Now, Trump considers that the football players and the coach are the team, while the other people are just employees of the football team, who have no connection to the Super Bowl win. I mean we don’t have Topps or other cards with their pictures on them.

    Obama, who was not a football fan, looked at this from the plane of equality and honoring the workers, and regarded everyoone who played any sort of a role as being on the “team” (he used to refer to everyone who worked for him as being on his “team” *) so everybody who was there from the Patriots was included.


    Trump, however, is more of a sports fan, and he wanted to be photographed with what everybody regards as the team and only they were positioned near him.

    New York Times Sports editor Jason Stallman got it wrong, because he went from the fact taht fewer players atended in 2017 than in 2015 (34 versus “nearly 50″) to the picture.

    What we see here is what can be called honest bias. Not trying to distort the news, but actually making a genuine mistake because it sort of confirms what he thought and what he heard.

    Of course, if he stopped to think about it, he would have realized that a reduction of about 15 people wouldn’t explain the difference between the two pictures. And he shouldn’t have been so eager to show it either.

    His attention was probably focused on the comparitive numbers in the first place because of all these moves to boycott Trump, and maybe that is indeed the reason fewer players were there.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  14. frank in the ticket sales department was the real MVP of the patriots
    tom brady gets too much credit

    if it hadn’t been for frank’s hard work, nobody would have come to see tom brady play

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  15. nk @9 is correct. The point isn’t that the NYT once again tried to screw Trump, the point is TrumpHitler didn’t consider the support staff important enough to be photographed with. (Even though he may very well have another photo with the support staff). #neverTrump should know better than to deliberately cut out all those support staff that Obama (blessed be his name) found so important in his public image. The fact the NYT again tried to manufacture discontent among Americans (on a sports page nonetheless) means nothing when compared to TrumpHitler deliberately pissing on the little guy like he does at Mar-A-Lago, TrumpHitler Tower and all the TrumpHitler businesses around the world. That’s why he won’t show his tax returns too.

    By all means let’s allow the NYT and other media define what is good and right by what Obama (blessed be his name) did. If Obama did it now it is the IDEAL by which all present and future presidents need be compared. And they will all fall short because Obama (blessed be his name).

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  16. Good points, Sammy.

    Critical reading, folks. The numbers game is the conceit of the NYT sports editor. We don’t need to play it. Just because something found its way to a printed page doesn’t mean that it’s worth a gnat’s fart.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. Good forTrump. Nice was to stick a pin in the pompous Democrat operatives with bylines cohort.

    Anyone have thoughts about former AG Loretta Lynch’s attempts to effectively destroy the credibility of the FBI this last campaign season?

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  18. Nice was way

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  19. Well, you put it a little stronger than I would have, Hoagie. Probably it wasn’t Trump himself. Just some toady who was afraid to offend The Boss by putting him in a picture with non-celebrities, knowing what a self-important narcissist The Boss is.

    nk (dbc370)

  20. “honest bias”… lol.

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  21. Further evidence of why Trump should release the details of Obama’s disastrous nuclear deal with Iran…

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  22. His idol Steinbrenner would have lobbied to have Costanza in the photo.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  23. ben rhodes said we’re too stupid to understand the iran nuclear deal
    but maybe the iran nuclear deal was just too stupid for anyone to understand

    that’s our barack
    he be smarter than einstein

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  24. i remember when the cubs visited the white house
    they took mario the peanut vendor, and he got to be photographed next to the second baseman right there on the white house steps

    social justice

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  25. Two thoughts on the NYTimes using the Patriots as fact-checkers:

    1) The most glaring omission on the Times’ mea culpa and public editor review is the complete omission of consideration of whether the Times reporter would have tweeted this out if Hillary were president (any guesses?).

    2) Maybe the Times’ views team support staff the same way they view unemployed workers who are not seeking work when it comes to computing unemployment percentages (i.e. they don’t exist).

    harkin (517285)

  26. Trump should halt all athlete worship and stop meeting these felons.

    In the first year of GW Bush’s Presidency I think that Sports Illustrated made that very same point, albeit with slightly less inflammatory language. Inviting wealthy and famous athletes to the White House to celebrate their successes isn’t any different from inviting all of the Academy Award winners, and imagine how those of us on the right would flip out if some (obviously lefty) President were to do that. I can understand inviting the college champs and teams that represent the USA at competitions like the Olympics or World Cup, and if the President wants to invite the athletes who win the community service person of the year in their respective leagues then I can accept that. But let’s please put an end to highly-paid professionals flying in on a private plane to have their Rose Garden photo ops. It’s the kind of thing that the new President really ought to stand against (though we know he does not).

    JVW (42615e)

  27. Good points, harkin!

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  28. “POLITICO: Obama’s hidden Iran deal giveaway.

    Obama, the senior official and other administration representatives weren’t telling the whole story on Jan. 17, 2016, in their highly choreographed rollout of the prisoner swap and simultaneous implementation of the six-party nuclear deal, according to a POLITICO investigation.

    In his Sunday morning address to the American people, Obama portrayed the seven men he freed as “civilians.” The senior official described them as businessmen convicted of or awaiting trial for mere “sanctions-related offenses, violations of the trade embargo.”

    In reality, some of them were accused by Obama’s own Justice Department of posing threats to national security. Three allegedly were part of an illegal procurement network supplying Iran with U.S.-made microelectronics with applications in surface-to-air and cruise missiles like the kind Tehran test-fired recently, prompting a still-escalating exchange of threats with the Trump administration. Another was serving an eight-year sentence for conspiring to supply Iran with satellite technology and hardware. As part of the deal, U.S. officials even dropped their demand for $10 million that a jury said the aerospace engineer illegally received from Tehran.

    And in a series of unpublicized court filings, the Justice Department dropped charges and international arrest warrants against 14 other men, all of them fugitives. The administration didn’t disclose their names or what they were accused of doing, noting only in an unattributed, 152-word statement about the swap that the U.S. “also removed any Interpol red notices and dismissed any charges against 14 Iranians for whom it was assessed that extradition requests were unlikely to be successful.”

    And this:

    Three of the fugitives allegedly sought to lease Boeing aircraft for an Iranian airline that authorities say had supported Hezbollah, the U.S.-designated terrorist organization. A fourth, Behrouz Dolatzadeh, was charged with conspiring to buy thousands of U.S.-made assault rifles and illegally import them into Iran.

    A fifth, Amin Ravan, was charged with smuggling U.S. military antennas to Hong Kong and Singapore for use in Iran. U.S. authorities also believe he was part of a procurement network providing Iran with high-tech components for an especially deadly type of IED used by Shiite militias to kill hundreds of American troops in Iraq.

    The biggest fish, though, was Seyed Abolfazl Shahab Jamili, who had been charged with being part of a conspiracy that from 2005 to 2012 procured thousands of parts with nuclear applications for Iran via China. That included hundreds of U.S.-made sensors for the uranium enrichment centrifuges in Iran whose progress had prompted the nuclear deal talks in the first place.”

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  29. Some deal.

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  30. Much more relevant and topical IMO concerning the Times is today’s argument against freedom of speech on their opinion page, celebrating the snowflakes’ lack of respect for our constitution.

    Here’s a short bit of the fascist gobbledegook:

    “The recent student demonstrations at Auburn against Spencer’s visit — as well as protests on other campuses against Charles Murray, Milo Yiannopoulos and others — should be understood as an attempt to ensure the conditions of free speech for a greater group of people, rather than censorship.”


    As bad as the Times’ commenters can be at times, this time they come through.

    A few examples:

    “Double-thought and double-think in an attempt to muddy the waters of a simple concept. Free speech is only meaningful in the circumstance of speech that one detests. It is an example of an absolute concept. As soon as the power to “decide” what speech is allowed, is granted, free speech is eradicated. How hard is it for intelligent people to grasp the concept that what one person views as “unacceptable” discussion another views as vital? And tell me, who will decide what speech is acceptable, the author?”


    “So it is correct to reject a Holocaust survivor’s recollections as not being sufficiently important to take into account, that analysis is more important than emotion, but then the author turns around and sees emotional tantrums by “students” as somehow privileged over the right of others to speak. Apparently, all the analysis necessary to arrive at the truth has already been done since no dissent from that received truth is to be tolerated.

    The point of free speech is that if it is not truly free and unfettered it is all too easy to restrict it. There is no consensus there has ever been, including this one, that will not use its power to impose conformity of ideas through censorship once it is allowed to determine what speech and ideas are ok to have and which not.

    All the talk about marginalized communities needing protection from the ideas of big, bad social conservatives is simply special pleading from those afraid to see their own shibboleths challenged. It is simply another manifestation of the same proclivity that has driven fascism, Stalinism, and every other authoritarian regime and movement in history. People do not wish to hear that with which they disagree.

    The salient difference now is that, unlike in the past when American elites routinely reasserted our traditional First Amendment absolutism, now intellectual elites such as Mr Baer make excuses for fascism so long as it pays lip service to supposedly sheltering protected groups.”


    “Destroying property, physically blocking fellow students from attending the presentation of a speaker you oppose, threatening violence, and drowning out speech by slamming against the windows, banging drums and hollering, are not examples of defending free speech or the rights of minorities.

    I would much rather live in a society where all voices–even the most reprehensible ones–can be heard, than one where militant young people convinced of their righteousness and completely closed to any countervailing arguments get to decide what is acceptable and non-acceptable speech through intimidation and the threat of violence and chaos. The historical precedents are not comforting.”

    harkin (517285)

  31. @ Mike K,

    Speaking of hostile press. TDS still strong at Patterico.

    I wrote the post, Mike, and object to your assessment. I believe I have made every effort to be even-handed when posting about Trump. Because I may see flaws and inconsisties in the president and don’t hesitate to point them out as they pertain to a post, does not equate to what you euphemistically refer to as TDS. Why can it not be a solid observation of the president? Because when you periodically make your drive-by accusations, I make every effort to resist pegging you as nothing but a Trump loyalist. Perhaps the same courtesy and benefit of the doubt can be extended to me as well.

    Dana (c77168)

  32. It was a panel of Obama/Clinton appointees which ruled against the Patriots in deflate gate – both times.

    Lets compare fake doctors at the White House to witness Obama screwing generations to come.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  33. harkin (517285) — 4/24/2017 @ 7:56 am

    2) Maybe the Times’ views team support staff the same way they view unemployed workers who are not seeking work when it comes to computing unemployment percentages (i.e. they don’t exist)

    Today the New York Times had a frot page story about all those workers in Indiana working for United Technologies (the [arent company of Carrier) whose jobs Donald Trump didn’t save even though they asked. (the worers are ot too much against him, though)

    For the most part, the workers do not fault Mr. Trump for failing to preserve their jobs, even as he took credit for keeping the Indianapolis plant open.

    “I support him 100 percent,” said Tami Barnett, a 27-year veteran who left at the end of March. “I was very pleased he saved the jobs in Indianapolis. Do I wish he could have saved mine? Absolutely. But he did his best.”

    There was even a story about the story on page 2. A how-I-got-that-story story. But I can’t find it online.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  34. I wrote the post, Mike, and object to your assessment.

    pretty sure Mr. Dr. Mike was just talking about Mr. nk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. Greetings:

    Times out !!!

    Me, I’m thinking that it’s time for The New York Times to spend some time in the Deflate-gate grinder.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  36. #28 colonel haiku

    barack is the kind of gigolo who treats ladies like sluts, and treats sluts like ladies

    he bowed to the king of saudi arabia
    but he forced benjamin netanyahu was to enter and exit the white house through the back door next to the garbage bin

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  37. 30. harkin (517285) — 4/24/2017 @ 8:11 am

    Much more relevant and topical IMO concerning the Times is today’s argument against freedom of speech on their opinion page, celebrating the snowflakes’ lack of respect for our constitution.

    That’s not on today’s opinion page. I think that’s from tomorrow’s paper.

    Of course, it is impossible to disagree with that without disagreeing on the merits, which is what you want to avoid doing, because if everything is reduced to whether or not you agree with the bottom line, there’s very few things people can agree to peaceably let happen (not to mention that it will more easily and more likely be something wrong that can’t be disagreed with, not something right.)

    Very few things are like Holocaust denial, and even those people don’t get stopped by mobs using force. In some places, governments. If they are democracies, what’s not allowed to be said is very limited.

    In the United States these days, advocating murder is probably not quite enough all by itself, to cause government to interfere, although maybe that could be considered an overt act. When someone supports terrorism, the FBI tries to get them, or tests them, to see if they would do anything practical, like buying something, sending money, preparing to send money, building something or travelling abroad or helping someone go; if someone threatens the president, the Secret Service questions them to see if they are serious; and if someone threatens somebody in general, it’s judged on whether or not the threat is actually meant seriously.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  38. Netanyahu has met with many Arab leaders in complete secrecy.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  39. but he forced benjamin netanyahu to enter and exit the white house through the back door next to the garbage bin

    this is because Obama harbors a vicious hatred towards jews

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  40. 39. No, because many Arabs and Moslems countries do, owing partly to the suppression of free speech there when it comes to Israel.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  41. we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one Mr. F

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  42. 37 – “That’s not on today’s opinion page. I think that’s from tomorrow’s paper.”

    The date on the piece says 4/24. On my planet that means today.

    As to the rest, I don’t really see how Charles Murray, Milo, Heather MacDonald etc. are advocating murder.

    United Technologies – wow – so Trump has sunk to the level of truth-telling comparable to the NYTimes? sad.

    harkin (9803a7)

  43. arranging for the filthy persians to do nuclear genocide on Israel is one of the least nice things you can do on the jewish people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. Sloppy staging by the Trump team is a lame excuse for media bias. Who do you blame for the story that Trump pulled the bust of MLK out of the White House?

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  45. The left has this pattern, augmenting their numbers, Fidel for instance ran the same dozen men p

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. how was this even sloppy staging

    there’s only so much you can do with a bunch of thuggy illiterate nfl athlete trash

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. i’ll grant you it was rude to the point of insulting that they didn’t invite Aaron’s gay prison lover

    but that’s more on the sleazy Patriots than on Mr. Trump

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  48. =yawn= The NYT took down O’Reilly in 18 days.

    “Well done… exemplary. Keep it up.” – Arthur Jensen [Ned Beatty] ‘Network’ 1976

    Lest the you forget, it was during the Reagan Administration that the WHCD began to veer into the realm of celebrity when Iran-Contra bimbette Fawn Hall showed up and it has gone down hill ever since. And although an event where the President attends naturally draws cameras, several journalists have criticized this mix of entertainment and journalism and refused to go as the glitz and glamour got too sweet- most notably, Tom Brokaw. More and more TV cablers through the late 80s, 90s– hungry for programming content– began carrying the event- which was only carried by CSPAN in its early broadcast days. The WHCD is chiefly a scholarship and award gathering for journalists and their peers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. reflexively defending everything Trump does.

    The TDS is strong here.

    Mike K (f469ea)

  50. This is where assuage is hanging out:

    The seminal event in german left politics an assassination of a radical student was carried out by a stash agent, hence the baader meinhof and all that followed

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. BTW I wasn’t the one saying it was sloppy staging. The posters did.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  52. For those who don’t get fox, and after the Murdoch whelps have finished their purge

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. Mike K,

    We look forward to your own blog posts defending Trump’s actions proactively, instead of just… whining.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  54. The Chattanooga Haslam-Corker Mafia and its Venn-Diagram overhang brother Lamar Alexander wont mind Mark Green out of the way either.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  55. 28, 30:

    harkin and Colonel Haiku coming in off the top ropes to put the hurt on this PR folderol.

    Well done, lads.

    JP (f1742c)

  56. oh got it

    i thought the staging was masterful you could see everyone’s face for in case you have to identify them later in a lineup

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. I look forward to teh day Leviticus stops whining about Mike K’s posts.

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  58. this post is tearing us apart

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. @26. Concur. Good idea. Which means it’s DOA.

    “Brady, Brady, Brady!” – Henry Drummond [Spencer Tracy] ‘Inherit The Wind’ 1960

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. Here’s something to bring us back together, feets…

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  61. only thing better than a rose on a piano is tulips on a organ

    mg (31009b)

  62. 37 – “That’s not on today’s opinion page. I think that’s from tomorrow’s paper.”

    42. harkin (9803a7) — 4/24/2017 @ 9:04 am

    The date on the piece says 4/24. On my planet that means today.

    that’s when it was posted online. But he hasn’t yet appeared in the paper. It is not on the page yet. You’re reading some of tomorrow’s newspaper today.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  63. As to the rest, I don’t really see how Charles Murray, Milo, Heather MacDonald etc. are advocating murder.

    They don’t. But Ulrich Baer is treating some people, or what they have to say – it’s not clear if he is distinguishing between these two things – as competely unacceptable, something that I said justifying murder would be, although he doesn’t accuse them of that.

    He doesn’t really explain what fits his criteria. He just starts off with Richard Spencer, (boo!) who’d be the most despised, and quickly includes the events in Missouri, Yale, Berkeley, and Middlebury without saying what were these things all about.

    He also throws in George C. Wallace in 1963, and William Shockley in 1974, who were not, however, stopped by mobs.

    He compares it all to denying to people things that they experienced, although the only analogue would be transgender people, which most of this isn’t, and to argue that we don’t see things the way they do, is not the same thing and people have a right to disagree.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  64. Oh, let us say Baer is against contradicting what people experienced? I would wonder.

    I don’t know any reason to believe that he would be in favor of people stopping Matthew Meselson from speaking at a college, although Meselman claimed that there was no such thing as “yellow rain” in Laos in 1978. He even visited a Hmong refugee camp in 1982, and he still tried to pretend nothing happened. His purpose was to get the refugees to say his samples were insect droppings, which was supposed to prove then that poison gas wasn’t used on them. Maybe the samples were not “the” poison, (although they actually did contain traces of poisons) because after all, why should it congeal?

    But chemical weapons were dropped on them. People died.

    When US scientists looked at the yellow spots, they found poison, and pretty soon “Yellow Rain” as it was known, had become a flashpoint in the cold war. Chemical weapons expert Matt Meselson and biologist Thomas Seeley, two scientists bent on analyzing the substance, tell us what happened when they challenged the original reports (which were used to justify the production of a chemical weapon by the US back in the early 80s). And when we explain their views to Eng, who saw loved ones die, and who fled his home in Laos to escape, we have to reckon with a very different kind of truth.

    Meselson is responsible for this not being generally accepetd. In Syria, too, mists were used. It’s the same or a similar technique, and traces back to Russia.

    Meselman’s appearing today, Monday, Apr 24, 2017 from 7:00p – 9:00p at the College of Physicians at 19 South 22nd Street in Philadelphia, PA 19103

    Let’s go protest, right?

    I mean the protests against Charles Murray and Heather MacDonald don’t really have anything to do, or they don’t say they do, about the topic at issue – they’re just supposed to be bad people.

    It’s easy to see how wrong Baer is:

    People want certain things taken off Twitter and Facebook. But if anyone tried to include the people or things the people in the colleges are protesting about, everybody would be up in arms.

    Yet he’s basically claiming total unacceptability. That’s clearly not the case. This what’s going on at the universities has to do with defending the bubble.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  65. that was intersting Mr. Colonel i’d add it to my cloud but i’m on restriction

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. hey you get off of my cloud

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  67. There’s also this:

    The same people who dismiss this, also think Christopher steel is on point

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. that’s pithy and very apropos to everyday life

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. Who is Cristopher Steel?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  70. 63- “That’s when it was posted online. But he hasn’t yet appeared in the paper. It is not on the page yet. You’re reading some of tomorrow’s newspaper today”.

    web page
    ˈweb ˌpāj/

    A document on the World Wide Web, consisting of an HTML file and any related files for scripts and graphics, and often hyperlinked to other documents on the Web. The content of webpages is normally accessed by using a browser.

    Welcome to the inter webs!!

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  71. sammy, what if someone’s reading it on the internet on the other side of the world where it’s already tomorrow?
    are they reading today’s news?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  72. 42… harkin… Sammeh is a classic anal retentive with a dollop of contrarian and a splash of Tehballzondisguy®.

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  73. looks like trashbag Debbie Schlussel’s gonna get her filthy butt sued so good

    cable news chicks lol

    so nasty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. 72. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 4/24/2017 @ 12:54 pm Who is Cristopher Steel? Christopher Steele, (a letter “e” is at the end of his name) is the former British MI6 agent, who used to work in Russia, who, when he left MI6 in 2009, went into business for himself with anotehr ex-MI6 agent operating under the name of Orbis Business Intelligence. He was hired by Fusion GPS, the Washington D.C. “opposition research” firm that also worked for Planned Parenthood and is generally hired by Democrats, starting in June, 2016.

    Fusion GPS had before, at least notionally, bene hired by a Republican opponent of Trump, but at that point it was working for Democrats, which means probably one way or another, the Clinton campaign, although probably off the books, with the money never passing through the hands of any Clinton campaign official.

    Steele used his contacts in Russia and people he knew, (he had investigated the Alexander Litvinenko murder which used polonium) to try to find out what they had about Donald Trump.

    The way I analyze it, Putin et al thought he was still working for British intelligence, MI6, or at least for somebody British, and they told him all kinds of false and derogatory stories about Trump, hoping to divide the British government and make it distrustful of a future Trump Administration and/or because he had some solid information about something so they wanted to turn it all into junk.

    The Russians had no idea this stuff was going to the Democrats, and, in particular, Harry Reid. Fusion GPS also handed it out to a few reporters, who didn’t use it.

    Whatever he came up with, and it was added to from time to time, got turned over to the FBI. Among the things he was told was that the Russians had “compromat” on Trump, because when he visited Moscow in 2013, he was given the same room Obama and Michelle had slept in before, and he so hated Obama that he hired some prostitutes to urinate on the bed, somehow not worrying about being blamed for it or anything.

    Trump also was supposed to have business inerests in Russia, and a lawyer close to Trump had supposedly visited someone from the Russian Parliament (it gave the wrong house of Parliament) in Prague to discuss hacking, or maybe what to hack.

    A lot of the detail was probably actually designed not to check out, in case it backfired and needed to be disproven.

    Steele evidently believed this stuff and after Fusion GOS stopped paying him, tried to spread the news around. One person who got the information, late, was Senator McCain, in November and MCCain gave it to Comey on December 9.

    The New York Times article Sunday says that on July 5, 2016, he provided his reports to an FBI contact in Europe (who may very well have been sent to get the most authentic copy of – the FBI might have had it already from Fusion GPS.)

    Harry Reid knew an investigation had begun. On October 30, after Comey had re-opened the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email, he wrote an open letter to the FBI saying “it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government — a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States”

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  75. Christopher Steele disappeared from view shortly after his name became public, and he undoubtably has told all to British intelligence and British PM Angela May may have told Trump some things when she visited the United States shortly after the inauguration.

    Part of the deal Steele made with Fusion GPS was that nobody should know his nationality. That was a bog secret.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  76. “The Russians had no idea this stuff was going to the Democrats, and, in particular, Harry Reid”

    Totes caught ’em by surprise!

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  77. One person who got the information, late, was Senator McCain, in November and McCain gave it to Comey on December 9.

    ugh he’s as slimy as he is cowardly

    he’s disgraced himself

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. “That was a bog secret.”

    So Irish 🍀 intelligence was involved too?

    Colonel Haiku (ddb5f8)

  79. =yawn= The NYT took down O’Reilly in 18 days.

    Give or take 21 years.

    JVW (42615e)

  80. @22 urbanleftbehind

    Costanza got traded to the Arkansas chicken king for the alcoholic chicken concession.

    Pinandpuller (be583b)

  81. 84 – “Give or take 21 years.”

    I hope they continue taking down political enemies as well as they took down Trump, who they said was so awful that journalistic standards no longer applied in their reporting (anyone who has read the Times in the last 30 years already took that as a given).

    Still waiting for the Times editorial looking forward to Marie LePen “making history” as the first woman becoming French President and shattering that plafond de verre.

    harkin (517285)

  82. I have documents here proving collusion between The Trump White House and Russians in space (possibly selling cosmonauts hotel accommodations) . [YouTube]

    Someone inform the DNC asap.

    Uh oh. Trump signed the Inspire Women Act to encourage women’s participation across the stem fields {9:28}.

    Don’t know what that means exactly, but I guess Mr National Review disapproves.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  83. National Review is like the Dyson DC35 of politics.

    “Twice the suction of other lightweights.”

    papertiger (c8116c)

  84. 82. As told here (and I read it elsewhere)

    On Friday November 18, 2016, whle at the Halifax International Security Forum

    in Nova Scotia, Canada, Senator John McCain met the former British ambassador to Moscow (from 1995 to 2000) Sir Andrew Wood, who told him about the accusations and the report about Donald Trump that had been prepared by Christopher Steele. Wood vouched for Steele’s integrity and pprofessionalism.

    McCain wanted to see this, and he had David J. Kramer, a former U.S. State Department official whom he knew, who now worked at Arizona State University, fly over to Great Britain to get a copy.

    McCain looked at it for a while, and then, exactly three weeks afer he first heard of it, turned it over personally to FBI Dorector James Comey on Friday, December 9, 2016, who did not mention that he already had a copy, and had had a copy of some of that for five months, and that it had been a good part of the basis for an ongoing investigation.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  85. he’s such an unbelievable buffoon, this John McCain person

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  86. Q. What is Trump Derangement Symptom?
    A. On November 8, 2016, we surveyed 137,100,229 American citizens. A majority, 54.06%, said that it is more deranged to like Donald Trump than it is not to like him.

    nk (dbc370)

  87. am looking forward to hillary’s inevitable endorsement of madame le pen as the first female president of france
    we all know how much hillary loathes the glass ceiling

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  88. @84. No. 18 days. On the other hand, it only took Lonesome Rhodes a two minute 40 floor elevator ride down.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. @86. They will as long as pinheads like O’Reilly keep taking down his pants.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. 91 – “137,100,229 American citizens. A majority, 54.06%, said that it is more deranged to like Donald Trump than it is not to like him.”

    There are sometimes hidden truths in lefty thinking. To them political thought is just different levels of derangement.

    harkin (517285)

  91. Trump Derangement Syndrome affects all kinds… from constitutional conservatives to brain-dead Fever scampers… from under-endowed barristers to low-T columnists…

    “But when it comes to discussion of President Trump, NeverTrumps like David Brooks feel no need to place their anti-Trump views on a foundation of fact. For Trump-haters, the truth is in the accusation. And so, comparing President Trump to Turkey’s Erdoğan, Mr. Brooks does not set forth the democratic institutions dismantled by Mr. Trump, nor does he provide evidence of the “majoritarian dictatorship” that was constructed during the first 100 days of the Trump administration. How could he, there being no such dismantling, no such dictatorship here?

    Mr. Brooks recognizes “the collapse of liberal values at home,” citing “fragile thugs who call themselves students [who] shout down and abuse speakers in a weekly basis.” But are these illiberals to be found under the banner of Trumpism – or under the banner of the totalitarianism of left?

    Mr. Brooks goes on to cite a study suggesting that only 57 percent of “young Americans” (age range not provided) are committed to democracy, compared to “91 percent in the 1930’s[.]” What is the source of this declining commitment to democracy: student Republicans, or students influenced by leftist professors? Mr. Brooks does not say. For David Brooks, apparently, critical thinking about political trends does not require precise analysis; anti-Trump innuendo will do.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  92. On November 8, 2016, we surveyed 137,100,229 American citizens. A majority, 54.06%, said that it is more deranged to like Donald Trump than it is not to like him.
    nk (dbc370) — 4/24/2017 @ 4:26 pm

    nk, if you’re including the votes of communists, socialists, anarchists, abortionists, LGBTQXZZ sexually ill, assorted left wing media, celebrity and education establishment and ANY Clinton you and I have different ideas of what being “more deranged” is. And ANYBODY who believes Hillary is LESS deranged needs real help.

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  93. From Ace Of Spades:

    When NeverTrump jumped the shark, continuing their (perfectly acceptable) primary opposition to Trump into general election season, most of them passive-aggressively supporting Clinton while claiming they were doing no such thing, one flaw of Trump they’d frequently point to was his characterological defects, his inability to take criticism, his anger, his autocratic impulses, and so on.

    All of which was worth a worry or two — but his opponent was Hillary Clinton, a walking (or stumbling) personality disorder.

    But it was “binary thinking” to point that out, or to treat the election as if it were a “binary choice” between one flawed candidate who promised to nominate conservative judges and another flawed candidate who vowed to nominate progressive judges.

    Posted by Ace

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  94. In other big media news, Heather ‘Legs’ Nauert has ankled her Fox News morning strut to become America’s State Department spokesperson. Now there’s a brainy hire. No word on whether legs lights will be available at State or if she’ll still wear mini-skirts for pressers. Tillerson’s wife was unavailable for comment.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. Just poking people who say TDS all the time, Hoagie.

    nk (dbc370)

  96. BTW, Heather’s hubby works for Goldman Sachs. Way to drain that swamp, Donald!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  97. One can take issue with a series of policies, like the slow pace of unraveling the Rhodesia road show without signs if derangement

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. Hey, narciso… it is what it is… in all of its manifestations. People gone well off their nut. I only hope they regain their mental health at some point.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  99. 100… you are a true vulgarian, DCSCA.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. #100 DCSCA, i love how you spend so much time watching all these allegedly vapid cable news shows and how you can also cite every low-brow piece of pop culture since 1960, yet you disparage americans who consume it … even though by definition you’ve consumed it, too.

    you’re the guy who publicly condemns porn, yet can identify every actress and each of her credits.
    i hear that the smart set refers to this as *irony.*
    but normal americans call it *hypocrisy.*

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  101. @ 104 So Heather’s husband has a job. Better than Marie Harf then.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  102. #111 papertiger, DCSCA’s a typical aging lefty

    he would have greater respect for heather nauert’s husband if he had a government job (or no job!) rather than a private sector job on wall street where he earns real money

    many lefty men fail to recognize that the heather nauerts of the world don’t marry guys who work the swing shift stocking shelves at walmart

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  103. @89 Sammy

    That’s basically the plot for National Treasure 2.

    Pinandpuller (f76ee4)

  104. @93 Cruz Supporter

    I bet Danny Thomas was glad Hillary didn’t bust through his glass coffee table.

    Pinandpuller (f76ee4)

  105. @104 DCSCA

    My wife was watching Central Intelligence today. I walked through during the closing credits and noticed that Steven Mnuchin was an executive producer.

    Imagine if they gave him EP credit for currency.

    Pinandpuller (f76ee4)

  106. @109 Cruz Supporter

    Do you think he takes tourists around NYC on a bus tour like Kenny Kramer? I always wondered about those creepy guys looking through the windows during Redeye.

    Pinandpuller (f76ee4)

  107. Yes and the purge and justice league and tarzan and man from uncle.

    narciso (d1f714)

  108. 115.

    @89 Sammy

    That’s basically the plot for National Treasure 2.
    Pinandpuller (f76ee4) — 4/24/2017 @ 11:05 pm

    I looked that up:

    The only similarity maybe is maybe is that in both cases there’s some secret document, but in the movie it’s 140 plus years old, and presumably true, but here the secret document was written days and months before, and the information is false.

    Of course if it is false the question is who made it up. It wasn’t Fusion GPS. It wasn’t Christopher Steele. It wasn’t his Russian sources acting on their own because maybe he paid them money.

    The whole catalog of lies was invented by people working and approved of by Vladimir Putin.

    But why would he do that if he wanted Trump to win?

    A. Because he didn’t think the disinformation was going to any Americans!!

    I don’t think that plot is similar to National Treasure 2.

    BTW, the movie seems to have some of its plot based a little on the Mudd family – you know his name was mud,)

    Samuel Mudd is sometimes given as the origin of the phrase “your name is mud”, as in, for example, the 2007 film National Treasure: Book of Secrets. However, according to an online etymology dictionary, this phrase has its earliest known recorded instance in 1823, ten years before Mudd’s birth, and is based on an obsolete sense of the word “mud” meaning “a stupid twaddling fellow”.[25][26]

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  109. Re: harkin @30 on 4/24/2017 @ 8:11 am PDT

    37. SF: — 4/24/2017 @ 8:51 am

    That’s not on today’s opinion page. I think that’s from tomorrow’s paper.

    Actually this did not appear in the paper at all, not April 25 and not even April 26. I think this must have been only online. I also did not see any comments there.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

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