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4/22/2017

Dove: It Takes A Man To Redefine Motherhood

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:19 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Mother’s Day is just around the corner and Dove’s new campaign ad, #RealMoms, wants you to know that motherhood is being redefined:

We are both his biological parents. You get people that are like, ‘What do you mean? You’re the mom?’ We’re like, ‘Yep. We’re both gonna be moms.’

There’s no one right way to do it all.

Curious that there isn’t any outcry over biological males usurping the unique role of women as mothers. Maybe men can do it better, eh? Also curious is the acceptance of the mansplaining of motherhood by the new “real mom” in the ad while the actual biological mom is reduced to submissive, silent onlooker.

Amusingly, the March for Science is taking place today in hundreds of major cities across the world. Because science:

Untitled

–Dana

131 Responses to “Dove: It Takes A Man To Redefine Motherhood”

  1. Patriarchy wins again.

    Dana (023079)

  2. trannies are so gross they’re worse than fried mushrooms

    wtf eats a fried mushroom

    nobody that’s who

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. why would you FRY a mushroom

    why would you do THAT to your penis

    the questions they multiply as no answers are forthcoming

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. washing with dove soap makes me feel dirty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. what if you get in the shower and you lather up with dove soap and you accidentally lather your penis off and get a nose ring

    me, i worry

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. at the end of the day what i know is

    i know if i were a chubby asian mom what washed in dove soap

    i too would be a “tech manager”

    and that’s not something you just walk away from

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. brb i have to manage the “tech”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. i would march for facts but it hurts how it rubs my penis amputation scab

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. I’d rather watch Carrotman than ever patronize Dove products again.

    http://tinyurl.com/mrmm6k8

    Bye bye Unilever.

    NJRob (3ca7f1)

  10. I use Dove soap. In the light green box. For sensitive skin. (Did you know that “sensitive skin” in French is “peau sensible”?) In the shower, and at the vanity for washing my hands and face. I also use it for shaving, making the lather with my hands, when I just want a quick, socially acceptable shave.

    Moreover, I often order fried mushrooms from the pizza place. Deep fried. In batter. And when I cook them myself, most of the time I sautee them. In olive oil. Which “sautee” is a French word for frying.

    Donc la’!

    nk (dbc370)

  11. i can’t even handle you right now

    i’m just not gonna shower again

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  12. what if the entire bar of dove soap climbs up my leg and bites the inside of my ass

    jesus

    omg i don’t care how many hail marys i have to say

    just SOMEONE please be on my side

    don’t let DOVE SOAP win

    gofundme

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. I refuse to be outraged by .000001% of the population, which said .000001% includes both trannies and admen, to the extent of giving up my favorite soap of the past 25 years.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. #trust your way

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  15. is this some kind of sneak trailer for the new stephen king IT movie?

    i wanna see it but i need to reread the book first

    i loved that book so much

    until the turtle part

    but maybe i was just too young to really

    grok the turt

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  16. That “mom” is white Madea. Fried mushrooms are pretty common in neighborhood Chicago establisments, especially when paired with Hienies Hot Sauce (a southeast side specialty).

    urbanleftbehind (1eb1c2)

  17. if i were amy tan and i chopped off my penis and joined a rock band with stephen king

    i’d want to lather up with Dove soap

    and trust myself

    with Dove soap my club is lucky and also joy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  18. ugh

    mushrooms are what you fry when you run out of tranny foreskin

    yup

    we’re both gonna be moms!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. You ever notice how washing your hands with Dove soap, yo always end up with a sort of oily film residue. No matter how much you scrub it’s like …
    [YouTube]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  20. DOVE SOAP

    do what fits your nose-ring-wearing penis-chopped family

    you have to be that woman what stands your ground

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. without climbing in my life

    my wee small baby would shrivel and die

    and there would be legal repercussions

    #trustyourself

    #DoveSoap

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  22. You’ve dialed to creep factor to eleventy, pikachu that’s some kind of tecord.

    narciso (44ad42)

  23. did i mention i hate trannies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. I be that if you were to do an internet survey you’d find that there are fewer tranny moms who use Dove soap than there are pole dancers whose daddies’ third wives had themselves photographed cuddling nude with another nude woman.

    nk (dbc370)

  25. i can do my art and not be any less of a mom even if i chop off my dick

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. i live to dance

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. Anyway, I’m going to go take a shower now. With Dove soap. And Pantene shampoo. For normal hair. Do you have anything against Pantene shampoo for normal hair?

    nk (dbc370)

  28. wasn’t that a kelly le brock thing?

    googling

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  29. okey dokey

    and we’re back to popcultural terra firma

    don’t hate me cause i’m beautiful

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. omg i forgot how important she was

    even without a nose-ring she made an impact

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. failmerica?

    NEEDZ MOAR TRANEEZ

    (duh)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  32. And Steven Segal cheated on her, that and on dangerous ground should have indicated he didn’t have all his oars in the water

    Seriously what idiot came up with this campaign?

    narciso (d1f714)

  33. seagal lol

    i haphazardly wandered into a buddhism thing cult crowd when i was in media research in LA where he was kind of a thing

    but harmless

    and i never wandered back

    but they had a lot of really nice houses i never quite figured out how they could afford

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. ohnoes

    yes yes rip

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. that’s just too young

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  36. she died with great teeth

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. Irish Spring or Zest. Too old for Axe, to young for Old Spice.

    urbanleftbehind (1eb1c2)

  38. Okay. That’s too much hair. {YouTube]

    Even for a shampoo commercial.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  39. One of the few besides Adrienne Barbeau that could rock a perm.

    urbanleftbehind (1eb1c2)

  40. hah i love that

    the firefly thing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. I’m so pleased that we’re finally ready to celebrate Asian-American single moms. You know, because Asians represented just about the last American demographic that seemed to hold on to the quaint notion that it was better to have both the mom and dad in the household. Can’t have that.

    JVW (42615e)

  42. hello?

    we’re talking about chubby single asian moms

    let’s keep it real

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. No we can’t have nice things at all

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. dream of better lives the kind which never hate

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  45. I drive around with an Asian tranny all the time. I have a Nissan Altima.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. It’s believable, but since she’s “thick”, did you check the kid closer? I actually knew a Korean single mom from my job 20 years ago with a kid by a Rican. She liked me but I wasn’t going to be a fetish checkbox.

    urbanleftbehind (1eb1c2)

  47. Isn’t Thailand best known for its ladyboys? And multiple wives plus concubines are as much Chinese, Japanese and Korean historically as they are Arab.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. you with the sad eyes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  49. don’t you ever be a fetish checkbox

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  50. you call me up

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  51. cause u know i be there

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  52. i just finished watching “The Making of Pet Sounds”, watched this video, looking for the man who was speaking when the two mommies were on and was reminded “I guess I just wasn’t made for these times”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. it’s so startling when you lose your penis for social justice and you’re just left to left to lick the dick scabs

    but you can’t deny that it’s a deeply american experience on a quintessentially barack obama level

    nothing i can do

    a total

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  54. TURN AROUND BRIGHT EYES

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  55. ugh

    to left

    it’s so hard anymore to make these meaningful comments

    i wonder if it’s really worth it

    TURN AROUND BRIGHT EYES

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  56. For Earth Day, Bing reliably barfs up a few rah rah stories for the retrograde segment of the socialist party.

    Arctic Water’s Plastic – Where the media unipundit tries to leave the impression that the Soviet segment of the Arctic is clogged with plastic so thick that polar bears use it like an air mattress.
    Sounds life a feel goood story to me. If it were true. Of course it’s not. But if it were true a buoyant raft of plastic substrait in the arctic would act as an ecosystem for plankton and diatoms throughout the year, instead of the poor diatoms having to rely on the bottom of ice flows which melt leaving them helpless on the whim of the tide.

    Space Junk – Where the media try to sell the idea that we are running out of space in space. Ridiculous.
    My thinking is this is promotion of make work for people who see global warming isn’t restricted to Earth, that the whole of our solar system is warming slightly, but reading the tea leaves of where full veritas in reporting those findings will lead when applied to their other favorite hobbyhorse are stabbing around for their next meal ticket.

    The last story about Earth Day you heard about, but might have not noticed the effect of, the day before Earth Day San Francisco got a taste of where their policies will lead. Blackout on Market Street.
    Did you notice how this year Earth Day wasn’t accompanied by a call for everyone to turn their lights out?
    Cause and effect.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  57. bing?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  58. I use Bing as my homepage. And Google as my browser. (maximum thumbage in their collective eye)

    Doesn’t everybody?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  59. well

    we can work up to that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  60. lovin would be easy if your colors were like my dream

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  61. R.I.P. Erin Moran, who played Joanie on Happy Days

    (Another sad ending for a fond childhood memory)

    Icy (f91372)

  62. like she was gonna live forever

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. unlike susan sarandon who just might

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. morbledun

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  65. this blog is morbledun

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. hey Mr. Patterico tell your healthcare professional if your depression worsens

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. i’ll run the gun for you and so much more

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. morblefun ?

    Our Factor word of the day is peccant.

    Keep those comments coming and don’t be a peccant.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  69. NONONO

    morbledun

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  70. it’s..

    not good

    say it lightly i do not

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  71. The “March for Science” is pushing this wholly unscientific thing called “scientific consensus”, which every nation must adhere to in their governmental policy. Sorta like the guy who was forced to admit the sun goes around the Earth, because that was the “scientific consensus”. The whole thing is a pseudo-science worshiping crowd of Big Government Leftists.

    John Hitchcock (dd804b)

  72. My love for Erin Moran will live forever, just like my lust for Susan Sarandon.

    Icy (f91372)

  73. SEOUL, April 23 (Reuters) – North Korea detained a U.S. citizen on Friday as he attempted to leave the country, bringing the total number of Americans held by the isolated country to three.

    Korean-American Tony Kim had spent a month teaching an accounting course at the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology (PUST), the university’s chancellor, Chan-Mo Park, told Reuters on Sunday.

    Kim, who also goes by his Korean name Kim Sang-duk and is in his fifties, was detained by North Korean officials at Pyongyang International Airport as he attempted to leave the country, Park said.

    “The cause of his arrest is not known but some officials at PUST told me his arrest was not related to his work at PUST. He had been involved with some other activities outside PUST such as helping an orphanage,” Park said.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  74. Guess TurboTax is really pressing down on the accountant market, in the US and everywhere else. Have to risk a trip back to the stone age to find a job.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  75. ugh

    trashbag Debbie Schlussel seems to have some issues

    something about going on tv seems to be causing hoochies to lose any and all ability to cope

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. 76… Lesson is if you take a job at PUST you’ll be subject to snatch n’ grab…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. Yeah, but that’s the obvious problem, Colonel.

    I was trying to delve into Tony’s motivation. Presuming Kim wasn’t dispatched there by a legal guardian due to mental incapacity, why would a grown man leave America one month ago to take a position with Pyongyang U.?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  78. “I refuse to be outraged by .000001% of the population, which said .000001% includes both trannies and admen, to the extent of giving up my favorite soap of the past 25 years.”

    That small percentage may be due to traditional outrage at the perverse. Just a thought.

    On the other hand, these days the outrage must be at that outrage, and the perverse normalized. (See:SSM)

    Anyway, give it 15 years, Dove soap will be the most butch thing in the country.

    http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11b/CA_trans_elementary/index2.html

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/01/washington-state-to-teach-transgenderism-to-kindergartners/

    “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”

    Vladimir Lenin

    Leon (79ca52)

  79. Clinton campaign bundler?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  80. Can you just take minute off feets.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  81. yes yes i’m reading that super long and tedious nyt fake news piece on comey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  82. Schlussel has a sitcom face. I actually thought she was super-old, but she could be a Wendi McClendon-Covey stunt double.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  83. Okey dokey feets

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  84. Le Pen won. On to the run off against the fake centrist second place.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/23/french-presidential-election-le-pen-macron-projected-as-winners-in-first-round.html#

    papertiger (c8116c)

  85. My love for Erin Moran will live forever, just like my lust for Susan Sarandon.
    Icy (f91372) — 4/23/2017 @ 1:12 am

    I was with you to the Sarandon part.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  86. Someone explain to me how the second assistant bottom wiper (who looks to need help changing his own diaper) of the French Workers’ International Socialist Party can be routinely described as centrist?

    If the little Red Book fits wear it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  87. Because he was a fmr banker, for Rothschild, and pushed probusiness policies as economics minister. He is not a beloved figure

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. hrm

    in the nyt fake news’s entire overlong rehash of the election year shenanigans at the corrupt and sleazy comey fbi

    the name “Andrew McCabe” doesn’t come up even once

    that’s very curious

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  89. By November 2016, Hollande’s approval rating was just 4%.

    That’s Micron’s boss and fellow Socialist.

    Just 4%. That’s less than voted against Saddam. How do even do that? He must emit some sort of foul odor that even the illiterate hate him.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  90. they also omit the role Meghan’s execrably cowardly p.o.s. daddy played in shopping around the golden showers dossier

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  91. Can you just take minute off feets.
    No, he can’t. This is his life. Look at all of the comments. A pathetic, faux-hip, pseudo-edgy wannabe comments section performance artist who recycles idiotic catch phrases that nobody finds the least bit clever or informative. A half-retarded poo-flinging moron.

    Jack Klompus (f1f212)

  92. and right in the middle the nyt fake news propaganda sluts drop in this wholly disjointed and bizarrely unpersuasive, unsupported assertion:

    Mr. Steele had been a covert agent for MI6 in Moscow, maintained deep ties with Russians and worked with the FBI, but his claims were largely unverified. It was increasingly clear at the FBI that Russia was trying to interfere with the election.

    yeah that’s a standalone paragraph

    who writes this crap

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  93. another very curious omission?

    the whole “fake news” on facebook meme’s been memory holed

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  94. Same people who wrote “Macron, a 39-year-old investment banker, made the runoff on the back of a grassroots start-up campaign without the backing of a major political party.

    About the guy who ” was designated deputy secretary-general under François Hollande’s first government in 2012. He was appointed Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in 2014 under the Second.” ~ wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron

    He’s an independent grassroots Deputy Secretary of the Socialist Party – don’t you forget it either.

    Reuters, AP, NYT, and MSN will be quizzing you later.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  95. Hey Jack Klompus. Just between you n me.

    @ 98 How did you get that last sentence fragment past the auto censor?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  96. He’s remembering young Susan Sarandon [png]

    Memory embellishes what makes the heart fonder.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  97. Now it’s time on Sprockets when we dance… https://www.beatport.com/track/allrighty-original-mix/1305128

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. here’s by far the most interesting part of the NYT fake news article:

    [Comey’s] misgivings were only fueled by the discovery last year of a document written by a Democratic operative that seemed – at least in the eyes of Mr. Comey and his aides – to raise questions about [Lynch’s] independence. In a bizarre example of how tangled the FBI investigations had become, the document had been stolen by Russian hackers.

    They go on at some length about this, but keep a lot of the relevant detail from the reader:

    A document obtained by the FBI reinforced that idea.

    During Russia’s hacking campaign against the United States, intelligence agencies could peer, at times, into Russian networks and see what had been taken. Early last year, FBI agents received a batch of hacked documents, and one caught their attention.

    The document, which has been described as both a memo and an email, was written by a Democratic operative who expressed confidence that Ms. Lynch would keep the Clinton investigation from going too far, according to several former officials familiar with the document.

    Read one way, it was standard Washington political chatter. Read another way, it suggested that a political operative might have insight into Ms. Lynch’s thinking.

    Normally, when the FBI recommends closing a case, the Justice Department agrees and nobody says anything. The consensus in both places was that the typical procedure would not suffice in this instance, but who would be the spokesman?

    The document complicated that calculation, according to officials. If Ms. Lynch announced that the case was closed, and Russia leaked the document, Mr. Comey believed it would raise doubts about the independence of the investigation.

    Why don’t they reveal who the Democratic operative was?

    And why do they cast this document as unpersuasive when it clearly persuaded Comey?

    And who was this memo/email addressed to?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  99. @ 98 How did you get that last sentence fragment past the auto censor?

    i think it might be brokened

    i accidentally said the b word last night and oh my goodness it got published

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  100. Coronello, because, f***ing eh.

    http://tuckerclub.org/tuckers/tin-goose-1000/

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  101. Macron could be their version of Mark Warner (“dammit you picked the wrong guy from Virginia”, preferably Webb, but Warner could have nabbed those stray Tuesday goofies).

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  102. 589 cubes no more than 85 ponies that just sucks.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  103. 104. One question is: Is this e-mail something that was published by Wikileaks? Or not? I would kind of suspect it was, except that:

    1) Wikileaks published its first emails on July 22, 2016 and the FBI said it would investigate the hack on July 25, 2016. And also Comey’s statement about closing the Clinton investigation was issued on July 5, 2016 and the FBI had this document before this.

    2) And the New York Times article says the FBI received this “early last year”

    3) And David Margolis died on Tuesday, July 12, 2016.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/david-margolis-a-justice-department-institution-dies-at-76.html

    The cause was heart-related illness, the Justice Department said.

    Mr. Margolis was regarded inside the Justice Department as an all-knowing, Yoda-like figure….He continued working as the associate deputy attorney general until his death.

    Here we have the Yoda comparison too!

    Today’s New York Times article says: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/us/politics/james-comey-election.html

    Mr. Margolis died of heart problems a few months later.

    That would mean that Comey talked to him sometime between, let’s say, February to May, and the FBI had the document before that. This also means the FBI was planning to close the case, or thought it very well might, long before July. Something was maybe preventing it – probably Hillary Clinton delaying her interview. She stretched that out, until she suddenly agreed after ill meeting with Attorney General Lynch and until they reached the point in the election cycle where indictments are not supposed to take place.

    the Justice Department memorial for Mr. Margolis seems to have been in late October or early November, judging from this article, but I don’t know when it really was.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  104. It is significant that we don’t read of any discussion about whether or not the e-mail is authentic, and surely people sympathetic to the Clinton campaign and their own integrity would have raised that issue if it was possible to raise.

    The DNC itself only discovered the hack around May, but they didn’t let the FBI look through their computers, so this really have to be a different source, like they said, they discovered some of what the Russians had taken.

    One possible reason to keep secret who wrote this is that it is highly illegal to disclose the names of Americans caught up in foreign intelligence spying if it is not for some legal government purpose, and it could be the New York Times’ sources didn’t tell who wrote the email or memo (a memo would be not necessarily addressed to anyone, even if it was shown to someone) or what exactly it said that was maybe a little bit convincing.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  105. happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/23/2017 @ 2:31 pm

    Why don’t they reveal who the Democratic operative was?

    Unmasking to the public is highly illegal as we have been reading in connection with Michael Flynn. It may be illegal to confirm it even without the name, and
    Michael B. Steinbach, the former senior national security official at the F.B.I., declined to do so.

    And why do they cast this document as unpersuasive when it clearly persuaded Comey?

    The NYT doesn’t exactly say it was unpersuasive, it just says you could understand it as standard (uninformed) Washington political chatter. It may even have been that, but it obviously betrayed a lot of cynicism, which the writer did not epect the reader to disagree with.

    They got that claim that it was maybe just chatter from some of their sources.

    And who was this memo/email addressed to?

    It might have been addressed to nobody, but also,, at the same time, was obviously written for a third person or persons to read.

    If the intended audience was one of Hillary Clinton’s lawyers, or some other person very interested in this, there would not have been an addressee on the document, which might have been a draft in any case.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  106. interesting point i hadn’t considered the provenance of that document could be as a product of Obama’s fisa abuses cause the writer’s identified as a democrat, but i guess it’s definitely possible that’s how the corrupt comey fbi got their paws on it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  107. 111… I think I’d yield there, Hoagie…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. 106… pretty sweet, Steve. BTW… we have a few old Studies running around my neighborhood… they are damn fine looking cars!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. You realize Colonel, that car is a Tucker not a Studebaker?

    1963 Studebaker Grand Torismo Hawk:

    http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/2GUAAOSwcdRY9oTb/s-l225.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  110. I thought I sold my last classic when I sold my 1988Rolls Royce Cornish Convertible at Barrett-Jackson a couple weeks ago, but I find it’s like selling a restaurant for me. Sounds good till I do it then I pine for another. I find myself thinking about the Caddy Seville circa 1985. The one with the boot”.

    http://photo.cargigi.com/adam/Dealers/65553/112937852/photo/1G6KS6983FE808680-17.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  111. Maybe men can do it better, eh?

    No, but Canadian’s can, eh.

    Steve D (6fbc1c)

  112. happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/23/2017 @ 1:45 pm

    in the nyt fake news’s entire overlong rehash of the election year shenanigans at the corrupt and sleazy comey fbi

    the name “Andrew McCabe” doesn’t come up even once

    that’s very curious

    Yes it is curious. I haven’t figured out why, except maybe for the idea that he might have been a source, and they wish to conceal that, but I am not sure about that.

    He’s only mentioned here:

    Mr. Comey sought advice from someone he has trusted for many years. He dispatched his deputy to meet with David Margolis, who had served at the Justice Department since the Johnson administration and who, at 76, was dubbed the Yoda of the department.

    What exactly was said is not known. Mr. Margolis died of heart problems a few months later. But some time after that meeting, Mr. Comey began talking to his advisers about announcing the end of the Clinton investigation himself, according to a former official.

    Now, if the New York Times could not talk to David Margolis because he was dead by the time they heard about this, and they don’t know what was said * at the meeting, then it sounds like Andrew McCabe didn’t talk to them.

    But maybe he did. But somebody else said another thing and he was only only one source and they couldn’t decide whom or what to believe.

    It sounds like they heard more than one version, because Matt Apuzzo et al don’t say “What was said is not known” but “what exactly was said is not known.”

    ————
    * Well, and this may be important, “what exactly” was said at the meeting.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  113. 98. happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/23/2017 @ 1:53 pm

    yeah that’s a standalone paragraph

    There’s actually three paragraphs there about Christopher Steele. It is semi-accurate.

    The last sentence “It was increasingly clear at the F.B.I. that Russia was trying to interfere with the election.” applies to that whole section, entitled Russia Rising, going back to:

    “Days after Mr. Comey’s news conference, [July 5, 2016, in which he closed the investigation into Hillary Clinton the first time] Carter Page, an American businessman, gave a speech in Moscow criticizing American foreign policy. Such a trip would typically be unremarkable, but Mr. Page had previously been under F.B.I. scrutiny years earlier, as he was believed to have been marked for recruitment by Russian spies. And he was now a foreign policy adviser to Mr. Trump.”

    who writes this crap

    One of Matt Apuzzo, Michael S. Schmidt, Adam Goldman and Eric Lichtblau.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  114. http://mattofboston.com/a-carney-brennan-redux-yoda-43774/

    Yesterday I began to write about Carney & Brennan’s (C&B) renewed motion for discovery. I stopped at the point where I noted Stevie Flemmi’s assertion that David Margolis the associate deputy attorney general of the US who has been with the Department of Justice (DOJ) for 48 years has ties to the Mafia.

    That’s one of the things I thought right away, when hearing about how long he’d been there and taht he came in during the Johnson Administration.

    This page then links to this:

    http://www.emptywheel.net/2010/02/21/the-inherent-conflict-in-dojs-opr-and-its-david-margolis/

    Who and what is David Margolis? A definitive look at the man was made by the National Law Journal (subscription required)

    “Taking him on is a losing battle,” says the source. “The guy is Yoda. Nobody fxxxs with the guy.”

    Margolis cut his teeth as an organized-crime prosecutor, and he often uses mob analogies in talking about his career at the Justice Department. When asked by an incoming attorney general what his job duties entailed, Margolis responded: “I’m the department’s cleaner. I clean up messes.”

    The analogy calls to mind the character of Winston Wolfe, played by Harvey Keitel in the 1994 film “Pulp Fiction.” In the movie, Wolfe is called in by mob honchos to dispose of the evidence after two foot soldiers accidentally kill a murder witness in the back of their car.

    I also recall that John Reid, or whoever it was who wanted Patterico to back off from
    discovering who was behind the sockpuppets in the Anthony Weiner case in 2011, also called himself a cleaner or something to that effect. Maybe around July, 2011 in one of the emails Patterico posted. Or maybe this was actually who called themselves something else.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  115. 116, yes I do, Hoagie. The Tucker was a car too far ahead of it’s time and had some unconventional- but still pleasing – styling. But the Studebakers that I see rolling around – and an old guy around the corner from us has one just like the photo, same color and all – just really impress me… styling that was the best America had to offer back then, almost on par with Italian marques like Maserati and Alfa.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  116. The fellow who frackked it if you believe the film, was Lloyd bridges, I mean homer ferguson, the republican partner with gd spradlin, I mean
    Pat mccarran the one who did the same thing to health care markets

    narciso (d1f714)

  117. @ 98 How did you get that last sentence fragment past the auto censor?

    Just lucky or perhaps since it was an accurate description of the village idiot it passed muster.

    Jack Klompus (f027eb)

  118. maybe you pass muster ever think of that

    good catch on the fleeting reference to McCabe Mr. F

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  119. 6260 shaft horsepower.

    Still pissed off about the Cheonan, Coronello.

    I guess it’s a good thing I’m not involved in making policy. My emotions might lead me to mistake.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  120. hpyfeet (28a91b) — 4/24/2017 @ 5:32 am

    good catch on the fleeting reference to McCabe Mr. F

    The question should have been not why wasn’t McCabe mentioned in the article (because they would have had nothing to say about him) but why he wasn’t he mentioned by name.

    I’m thinking maybe he agreed to be a source on condition that his name wasn’t mentioned in the article, so even they had another reason altogether to metion him, they avoided using his name.

    They also must have more than one version of what was said by “Yoda.”

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  121. Interesting what deductions you can make.

    This article also confirms the reporting last year that the FBI had really decided months before not to charge Hillary for anything. What held it up was Hillary always putting off the FBI interview.

    We can have a couople of possible deductions why but most likely is that she was not sure what she would be asked, or NOT ASKED, about. She maybe wanted to be officially “cleared” if she could bem but if she couldn’t, she wanteds to drag a decision out to when it was really against DOJ policy to indict, which was probably the convention. So she kept promising to do an interview and then making excuses for it not to happen. If she had refused m then there was the possibility of them indicting her or naming her an inundicted co-conspirator or soemthing without an interview.

    Then, three days after Bill Clinton meets with Loretta Lynch, the interview takes place. The NYT artivle reveals that somebody tried to get Bill Clinton off that plane, but the meeting still lasted 20 minutes. It was sprung on Loretta Lynch. The NYT doesn’t ahve the story as to how Bill CVlinton planned that, but he did.

    Now as for what he wanted to do, I think, most of all, Bill Clinton wanted to see if she would avoid seeing him and maybe what she would avoid talking about. He knew he would be a target of any RICO investigation, and if he was, Loretta Lynch would be forewarned not to speak to him, but if he wasn’t, she wouldn’t, although she would avoid putting meetting on her schedule. He also knew a completely incidental encounter zt some gathering would have no informational value. He needed something unschdued that she had a chance to avoid.

    And by her not running away fast he knew she wasn’t warned not to speak to him, which meant he wasn’t a target yet, which meant there was no active RICO investigation, which meant Hillary would not be asked questions about the Clinton Foundation, which meant it was safe for Hillary to do that interview.

    Sammy Finkelman (4591c3)

  122. Then, three days after Bill Clinton meets with Loretta Lynch, the interview takes place…

    Now as for what he wanted to do, I think, most of all, Bill Clinton wanted to see if she would avoid seeing him and maybe what she would avoid talking about.

    I think this makes a LOT of sense… and kind of helps me make sense of this confuzzling jumble of detail that doesn’t quite serve to detail anything

    In late June, Ms. Lynch’s plane touched down at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport as part of her nationwide tour of police departments. Former President Bill Clinton was also in Phoenix that day, leaving from the same tarmac.

    Ms. Lynch’s staff loaded into vans, leaving the attorney general and her husband on board. Mr. Clinton’s Secret Service agents mingled with her security team. When the former president learned who was on the plane, his aides say, he asked to say hello.

    Mr. Clinton’s aides say he intended only to greet Ms. Lynch as she disembarked. But Ms. Lynch later told colleagues that the message she received – relayed from one security team to another – was that Mr. Clinton wanted to come aboard, and she agreed.

    When Ms. Lynch’s staff members noticed Mr. Clinton boarding the plane, a press aide hurriedly called the Justice Department’s communications director, Melanie Newman, who said to break up the meeting immediately. A staff member rushed to stop it, but by the time the conversation ended, Mr. Clinton had been on the plane for about 20 minutes.

    I think the NYT propaganda sluts don’t want you to think too much about this part of their little narrative, and they’re throwing up some chaff here.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  123. In late June, Ms. Lynch’s plane touched down at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport as part of her nationwide tour of police departments. Former President Bill Clinton was also in Phoenix that day, leaving from the same tarmac.

    He probably travelled to Phoenix just for that reason.

    He waited for her, as he didn’t know exactly what her plane would touch down, so he had to be there early, but not take off. This detail doesn’t make it into the New York Times story because they didn’t (much) check other reporting.

    Notice that we get contradictory leaks. In my opinion when there are two versions of astory, and one version comes from Bill or Hillary Clinton or aides close to them, and one does not, the Clinton version is the lie.

    From Bill Clinton’s aides: When the former president learned who was on the plane * …he asked to say hello….he intended only to greet Ms. Lynch as she disembarked

    From Loretta Lynch: Mr. Clinton wanted to come aboard

    * i.e. he didn’t know in advance she was there, although he could have found out she was coming because it was part of a nationwide tour of police departments.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)


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