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4/16/2017

Don’t Look Now But. . .

Filed under: General — JVW @ 8:57 pm

[guest post by JVW]

Our old friend Andrew Sullivan seems to be trying on his conservative hat once again. In a column at New York magazine titled “Why Do Democrats Feel Sorry for Hillary Clinton” (a sensible essay, if fairly predictable), he includes an interesting criticism of people who have apparently been trying to spin the whole United Airlines kerfuffle as a battle in the social justice wars:

Do you know the real reason Dr. Dao was so brutally tackled and thrown off that United flight? It was all about white supremacy. I mean, what isn’t these days? That idea is from the New Republic. Yes, the cops “seemed” to be African-American, as the author concedes, so the white-versus-minority paradigm is a little off. Yes, this has happened before to many people with no discernible racial or gender pattern. Yes, there is an obvious alternative explanation: The seats from which passengers were forcibly removed were randomly assigned. New York published a similar piece, which argued that the incident was just another example of Trump’s border-and-immigration-enforcement policies toward suspected illegal immigrants of color. That no federal cops were involved and there is no actual evidence at all of police harassment of Asian-Americans is irrelevant — it’s all racism, all the time, everywhere in everything.

It’s easy to mock this reductionism, I know, but it reflects something a little deeper. Asian-Americans, like Jews, are indeed a problem for the “social-justice” brigade. I mean, how on earth have both ethnic groups done so well in such a profoundly racist society? How have bigoted white people allowed these minorities to do so well — even to the point of earning more, on average, than whites? Asian-Americans, for example, have been subject to some of the most brutal oppression, racial hatred, and open discrimination over the years. In the late 19th century, as most worked in hard labor, they were subject to lynchings and violence across the American West and laws that prohibited their employment. They were banned from immigrating to the U.S. in 1924. Japanese-American citizens were forced into internment camps during the Second World War, and subjected to hideous, racist propaganda after Pearl Harbor. Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives? It couldn’t possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn’t be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?

No doubt that Sullivan will find plenty of reasons in the future to gratuitously attack conservatives, but for the time being let’s welcome him back to the sensible side, especially inasmuch as he he dares to write about the importance of the two-parent family structure, which no doubt sends the crybully left into paroxysms of rage.

Happy Easter, friends.

[Cross-posted at the Jury Talks Back.]

– JVW

276 Responses to “Don’t Look Now But. . .”

  1. Here’s a delightfully stupid comment left at the NY mag website:

    If HRC won, we’d all be able to sleep at night, instead of wondering if the maniac in the WH is going to take us to war.

    We’d have a normal, smart, hard-working Pres. instead of what we’ve got now.

    People would be saying, “She’s not a natural politician but she does OK once she’s in the job.”

    And we’d be sleeping at night.

    And here is one with a tinge of realism:

    When I was still a Democrat, I used to think highly of her. This past year I had my moment of clarity. After listening to HRC, watching her lie again and again and again about her abusing her office as SoS for her own personal financial coffers, I thought the Dems had lost their collective minds. I voted for Bernie in the primary. But when I also realized he was going to do nothing to stop her, I realized it was nothing but a smokescreen; he was Hillary-challenged in a big way.

    Then I listened to the Democrats. Nothing inspirational came from their lips. Nothing but constant continuous Trump-bashing, calling everyone in this country, ‘bigots’ and ‘racists’ and ascribing these insults to almost everyone who found the Democrat ideology wanting, or finding HRC as rotten to the core, corrupt as usual, unbelievably boring… And wrong. So, so wrong.

    Now I can’t stand the sight of her. Or her husband. Or her daughter. I want the Clintons to ride off into the sunset; they got enough millions to live happily. I don’t want to hear her nasty insulting voice again. My parents were white blue collar workers, and they were the salt of the earth.

    She and the Dems can take a hike. When they start respecting the other half of the country, instead of the snobby elites on the coasts (and I’m a post grad individual), they may get my attention.

    Until then, I’ll hope Trump gets good advice. And keep praying.

    JVW (5de783)

  2. R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth, jazz fusion guitar great
    Link to a live sample of his work:

    Allan Holdsworth – Looking Glass

    Icy (080927)

  3. Four paragraphs pointing out the obvious about Hillary followed by two paragraphs attacking Trump…..with a final tidbit about two parent families that twits like Sullivan were happy to ignore when they were more interested in Sara Palin’s ovaries.

    Yawn.

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  4. whitey work
    blame whitey
    whitey pay taxes
    blame whitey
    whitey donations
    not enough
    time to blow it up

    mg (31009b)

  5. Greetings:

    Having come to the end of my “Japanese-American internment” rope a couple of decades back, I would like to offer this. My father was swept up in the “non-Japanese-American internment” of the 1940s. For the next several years, he was confined to primitive living conditions in some of America’s more primitive geographies. For a couple of those years, perhaps as some faux recompense, he was sent on a sea cruise of the western Pacific which involved multiple venues in varying states of real property transfers and ordnance developments, putting not only his life but his favorite and only son’s procreative arrival at risk.

    To me, the progressive “tell” of this rather inconsequential bit of history is clearly demonstrated but the lack of much quantitative data about the effects compared to the rest of those “WW II” goings-on. Kind of like those Negro lynchings and wire-hanger abortion so often referenced but never quite accompanied by numerical data.

    Sure, it was a raw deal. But raw deals were quire common in those days and 70 or so years of genuflecting and breast-beating is more than enough.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  6. Yes fdr had a burr up his patrician keester going back 20 years, but Mr. Daou is Vietnamese, so that makes him a whole bother unperson.

    narciso (6d3feb)

  7. i hate social justice

    that reminders me we walked into a brunch place this Sunday… kinda late it was after 2 already… and we went there just cause of that place has the best oysters of anyplace i know and we ordered 18 oysters and some drinks

    and our dippy server said they were only doing the easter buffet right now!

    i bet that idiot momo didn’t seat another 6 top the rest of the day

    how is that social justice?

    it’s not!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  8. Lynching statistics are available online. Here’s one source which includes whites, who account for approximately 1/4 of the total victims. In fact, for the last year in which lynchings were reported, two victims were white, and one was black. (For purposes of this table, white means anyone who is not black, so horse thieving Mexicans, Leo Frank, and others for whom the SJWs might weep are in that category.) The worst years were in the 1880s and 1890s: the last year in which more than 100 people were lynched was 1901, and after 1936 there were never more than 9 people lynched in any given year, and starting with the 1950s some years passed without any reported lynchings.

    Illegal abortion,by its nature, can not be reliably statisticized, since it would require the participants to report their own crime.

    kishnevi (7e5ce9)

  9. The waters in East Dennis have some mighty tasty oysters, happyfeet. The briny liquid combination with the oyster, oh my.
    Ever on the Cape, I’ll buy. plus the littlenecks.

    mg (31009b)

  10. yay! yes yes we always go with east over west

    they have so much more personality

    my lil nephew guy can identify east vs. west just by the shell

    he has The Gift

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. Friends, raise them, so good. I enjoy weddings more when a row boat is filled with crushed ice.

    With oysters laying on the top waiting to be inhaled.

    mg (31009b)

  12. Attributed to King James VI and I

    “Twas a brae man that first did eat an oyster.”

    kishnevi (7e5ce9)

  13. I am old enough to remember back when racists said “Black people (well, they didn’t call them black people back then, but you know), are just plain lazy. They don’t want to work!

    Fast forward a few years, when black people were offered jobs and taking them, then the chant by that same crew was “They’re taking our jobs! They’re taking our jobs!” (How dare them!)

    For racists, non-whites can’t win – either their lazy good-for nothing so-and-so’s or taking “their” jobs. (It’s called a double bind.)

    Tillman (a95660)

  14. *either they’re…

    Tillman (a95660)

  15. Tillman, you must be young. I’m old enough to remember when most “colored people” actually did have jobs. They also had in tact families, went to church, took care of their elderly, strove for education and had a low crime rate. Then came the leftists and the Great Society. Then came the Democrat poverty pimps and victim pushers.

    My sister and I marched down South in 1966 and 1967 for equal rights and I assure you even in the South back then the colored folks had a better, more productive and freer life than the drug ravaged, baby-momma/baby-daddy, hip-hop, gang controlled, drive-by shooting, crime ridden inner city ghettos the Democrats created to exploit them for their votes.

    When I was a kid not one of my colored friends (and I had a lot living in the city) did not have a father. Not one. Not one had parents on the dole. Not one. Not one did drugs, had illegitimate babies or a rap sheet. Not one. Look how far they’ve progressed being told “non-whites can’t win”.

    The soft bigotry of low expectations.

    PS- and if the N word ever passed my lips my mother would have slapped me silly. BUT, if the N word ever passed the lips of my colored friends THEIR mother would have slapped them silly too!

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  16. Why the gratuitous caveat about predictability? Virtually everything I read on the internet, including this site, is predictable.

    It is a good essay.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  17. Attributed to Tom Horn on his first view of a lobster at a luncheon”:

    “I never ate a bug that big before”.

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  18. I enjoyed Suullivan when he ran Little Green footballs but that site an Sullivan’s apparent intelligence died some time ago. glsd to see that maybe some of it survived his foray into The Dark Side.

    NEoCon_1 (4d97ca)

  19. *harkin 4/17 reminds me of the old joke abput a guy getting off of his boat with a lobster and was asked, whatcha gonna do with that lobster? “Was thinking of taking him home for dinner, at which point the lobster unexpectantly spoke up, ” I’ve already had dinner, how about a movie??”

    NEoCon_1 (4d97ca)

  20. 16 – ” I’m old enough to remember when most “colored people” actually did have jobs……”.

    Here too – five will get you ten most SJWs have never heard of ‘The Negro Family, A Case For National Action’ (aka The Moynihan Report).

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  21. Even the absence of waysisisssm is wayssisisss…

    Blah Blah (44eaa0)

  22. Why the gratuitous caveat about predictability? Virtually everything I read on the internet, including this site, is predictable.

    I guess my beef with Sullivan’s Hillary piece is that he didn’t say anything that was not already said by the 1000 other “Democrats need to let Hillary and her family retire from the scene” pieces that have sprung up over the past five months. And if Sullivan thinks that Barack Obama’s “biggest mistake in eight years by far” was to endorse her and campaign for her, then it’s impossible to treat with seriousness anything that he might have to say about the former Dear Leader.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  23. #14, LOL!

    What a tool!

    Blah Blah (44eaa0)

  24. I think the stereotype of “Lazy” comes from the 1960s onward (an unfortunate by product of the Great Society programs, as relates Rev. Hoagie) and, as a common utterance/eptithet, is now almost the sole province of hispanic immigrants or lower (latitude + skills) Asians. Maybe the creep of similar conditions upon working and lower class Whites (see Charles Murray) has made them twink twice about conflating Black unemployment with general laziness.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  25. Tillman,

    I’m not sure why you think it’s fair to liken anti black racists with people who are frustrated when citizens have an historically extremely low labor participation rate while millions of illegal immigrants have jobs.

    No doubt work contributes to dignity and the nails lol nation’s welfare. Also Mexico has enormous problems it needs to address instead of establishing this enormous relief valve. Most of us hold these views out of compassion, not hate.

    Dustin (cbc18d)

  26. Autocorrect added some words to that…

    Dustin (cbc18d)

  27. Well it does contribute to Nail and Nail manufacturer welfare as well, when there is abundant building/renovation activity.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  28. Greetings, Rev.Hoagie® ( @16 (785e38) — 4/17/2017 @ 10:51 am )

    Oh yeah, well whenever I used the “colored people” expression, my Mother would insist, “They’re not colored, they’re born that way.”

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  29. Greetings, kishnevi: ( @ 8 & 9 (7e5ce9) — 4/17/2017 @ 9:38 & 39 am )

    Thanks for the education.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  30. So…..God colors us all?

    Have never reconciled how for some, “colored” is offensive and “people of color” is dignified.

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  31. 25
    The “lazy” stereotype actually goes back to slavery days, and was endemic a hundred years ago, a steady trope of humor, along with so-called dialect. And a lot of the problems of urban ghettoes existed long before LBJ. Porgy and Bess, and the Catfish Row stories on which it was based, was no fantasy.

    kishnevi (3c72b7)

  32. I’m one of the few I guess that refuses to second guess FDR’s decision to inter the Japanese. At the time winning the war was in no way a sure thing, in fact we came close to losing it early but for the battle of Midway. Plus, it’s not true the Japanese in America were all uniformly assimilated, though many were. There were a large number,for example, that sent their kids back to the homeland temporarily to be educated in their tradition and culture, something far different than it is today.

    It’s easy to say after winning the war interning Japanese was wrong, but who is to say we couldn’t have lost if we didn’t?

    Yeah it sucked those people had to spend those years in captivity. It’s way worse that tens of thousands of Americans were drafted and killed by Imperial Japan. Wasn’t a good time for any of humanity.

    Leon (79ca52)

  33. An old friend and teacher in a local urban district would bitterly complain to me that his ambitious, hard working Black students were often disparaged and shunned by their peers for “acting while.” Another friend, a young Black woman, tells the story of being advised by her first boss, a prominent Black attorney and political office-holder, to never let a White person see her working hard.

    It’s not a stereotype; it’s passive-aggression.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  34. if i were black i’d work really hard and everyone would say you’re so awesome!

    and I’d say yes i’m very awesome!

    and then everyone would recommend me on linkedin and ask my advice on stuff

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. It’s easy to say after winning the war interning Japanese was wrong, but who is to say we couldn’t have lost if we didn’t?

    Yeah it sucked those people had to spend those years in captivity. It’s way worse that tens of thousands of Americans were drafted and killed by Imperial Japan. Wasn’t a good time for any of humanity.

    “Those people” where American citizens.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  36. this is all just water under the bridge over the river kwai

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. Here’s something I always find intriguing about right wing internment apologists. Another article of faith on the right is that the Second Amendment is a check on government tyranny, and that gun control enabled the Nazis to implement the holocaust.

    So tell me this, what would have happened if the internees had resisted internment with force of arms, against a clearly tyrannical government?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  38. Leon (79ca52) — 4/17/2017 @ 12:37 pm

    The same argument could be made for interning German Americans in 1942-43. But they weren’t….
    In fact, German was the second most spoken language in the US until WWI sparked active suppression on the state and federal level, and in the 30s the Bund was active as an isolationist pro German group, almost all the way up to 12-7.

    kishnevi (3c72b7)

  39. Democrats involved in the races who spoke with Business Insider acknowledged that all the races would be difficult — three of the four seats have been held by Republicans for decades.

    But party leaders are encouraged by polling in Georgia and Kansas, as well as an energized party base that has organized protests, flooded Congress with calls, and helped organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union smash fundraising records.

    “These congressional districts have been ruby red for decades, and the fact that we are even discussing potentially competitive races here demonstrates the power of the grassroots and marks a big problem for House Republicans,” said Meredith Kelly,

    The story in Georgia’s 6th Congressional District — where Trump’s secretary of health and human services, Tom Price, held his House seat — is Democratic candidate Jon Ossoff and his massive fundraising effort.

    In three months, the 30-year-old documentary filmmaker and former congressional aide has raised a whopping $8.3 million, vastly more than most candidates running in major statewide races. Ossoff’s fundraising haul was more than any member of Congress had raised over a two-year period since 2012 other than House Speaker Paul Ryan and former House Speaker John Boehner.

    Although Democrats haven’t won this House seat since 1976 — it was occupied for 20 years by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich — Democrats and Republicans view it as the most competitive race among the four special elections.

    “You see $8.3 million, that’s a significant chunk that somebody can run in their district,” said one GOP operative familiar with the race. “Essentially, that’s what somebody usually raises for a statewide campaign, not an off-year, early special election.”

    – thats from the Business Onesider story, “The first test of Democrats’ anti-Trump fervor comes today with a huge election in Kansas”
    http://www.businessinsider.com/special-election-georgia-kansas-ossoff-trump-2017-4

    THIS IS THE PART that’s sticking in my craw.

    an energized party base that has organized protests, flooded Congress with calls, and helped organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union smash fundraising records.

    THe who is smashing fundraising records? Propping up a Democrat pretending to be in favor of inalienable rights delineated in the Constitution (a blue dog)?

    The nonpartisan non-profit American Civil Liberties Union?

    No. No. No. No. No.

    These sobs have 1,000,000 members drawing money from across the country and an annual budget of over $100 million tax exempt dollars based on the assertion they are non partisan.

    All the money is illegal alien (from outside Georgia) money.

    Where is the lawsuit to revoke the ACLU’s special tax status? Where is the court injunction against spending those illegal campaign funds and the like?
    Why are we playing patty fingers with the crooks and their organized crime mob?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  40. Some fractional number of German- and Italian-Americans (including Joe DiMaggios parents among the latter) were interned during the period also. What was probably more galling to some was the run-of-the-town treatment some German POWs from the North Africa and other pre-Normandy campaigns had in Southern U.S. towns where they were detained (Britain claimed it did not have the room to accomodate the POWs).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  41. See, now the President wasnt dumb for refusing the Nats’ invite to throw the first pitch of the season.

    http://deadspin.com/easter-bunny-absolutely-wrecks-teddy-roosevelt-1794387524

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  42. Papertiger, Citizens United….
    However, I read that as citing ACLU fundraising is a symptom of the times, along with the organized protests, etc….I fon’t think they meant to say ACLU has donated money to any political campaign.

    kishnevi (3c72b7)

  43. The ACLU doesn’t spend money on candidates.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  44. OT
    Be glad you don’t live in Atlanta
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/us/atlanta-i-20-road-damage-trnd/index.html

    kishnevi (3c72b7)

  45. “Those people” where American citizens.

    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/17/2017 @ 12:57 pm

    That progressive bastard FDR and his 💼 of tricks…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. Americans of Vietnamese heritage are among the hardest working people in America.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. That progressive bastard FDR and his 💼 of tricks…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/17/2017 @ 1:45 pm

    I am continually amazed by this idiotic argument. If internment was so progressive, why are all the apologists on the right? If the confedaracy and KKK were Democrats, why are the people supporting and flying the confederate flag Republican?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  48. “So tell me this, what would have happened if the internees had resisted internment with force of arms, against a clearly tyrannical government?”

    Given the mood of the country after Pearl Harbor, their fellow citizens would have probably slaughtered them. I believe that was part of the decision to inter them actually, otherwise their fellow citizens would have slaughtered them anyway. Remember, this was common fare at the time.

    As for why Germans were not interred, I can only guess they were more familiar and accepted by the general population by virtue of being European and long established in the country. Japan was shut off from the west until 1853, only 88 years before the attack on Pearl Harbor, and that sneak attack, along with Japanese people’s more foriegn (not European Christian) culture and known savage atrocities in Korea and China made them seem even more menacing.

    Might not seem fair to our 21st century sensibilities, but then it was a different world then, and has never been fair.

    Again, how about all the Americans drafted against their will and sent to foreign shores as cannon fodder? And their gold star families? Think they would have preferred being interred for a few years instead?

    Leon (79ca52)

  49. Given the mood of the country after Pearl Harbor, their fellow citizens would have probably slaughtered them. I believe that was part of the decision to inter them actually, otherwise their fellow citizens would have slaughtered them anyway. Remember, this was common fare at the time.

    lol no they weren’t interned to protect them. that’s absurd.

    Given the mood of the country after Pearl Harbor, their fellow citizens would have probably slaughtered them. I believe that was part of the decision to inter them actually, otherwise their fellow citizens would have slaughtered them anyway. Remember, this was common fare at the time.

    any draftee could be “interned” by refusing to serve.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  50. Given the mood of the country after Pearl Harbor, their fellow citizens would have probably slaughtered them.

    I’ll address this separately. So, what use was the Second Amendment then?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  51. I said I believed interring them was partly to avoid widespread vigilantism against them, not THE reason.

    The second amendment doesn’t have a “use”, it is an inalienable right of free men. No one in jail is allowed weapons, even those that haven’t been found guilty in court.

    This whole subject always reminds me why the U.S. hasn’t won a war since 1945. The people no longer have what it takes to win a war. Too worried about looking virtuous. It’s going to get us conquered one of these days. I’m old, hopefully I won’t live to see the day our women wear hijab’s. It’s bad enough they are strip searched at the airport, so we can look virtuous.

    Leon (79ca52)

  52. If internment was so progressive, why are all the apologists on the right?

    Maybe it’s because conservatives, unlike progressives, accept that difficult times require hard decisions, and we’re more willing to give our predecessors the benefit of the doubt rather than engage in the smug Monday Morning Quarterbacking so popular on the other side. Was internment necessary in retrospect? No. But did we have a full understanding of that 75 years ago? Again, no. It’s just empty moral preening that allows us to damn the people who had to make hard choices in the heat of a war that was forced upon us, and that goes for 2001 just as easily as it goes for 1941.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  53. The second amendment doesn’t have a “use”, it is an inalienable right of free men.

    The bill of rights is not a list of inalienable rights. It’s a list of limits to government power.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  54. E0 1066 was an overbroad solution like the espionage act, leave it to democrats

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2017/04/17/pence-in-south-korea-north-would-do-well-not-to-test-trump/

    narciso (e3d21c)

  55. And the sedition act even put gene debs in prison.

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2017/04/16/the-disappearance-of-the-world/

    narciso (e3d21c)

  56. Was internment necessary in retrospect? No. But did we have a full understanding of that 75 years ago? Again, no. It’s just empty moral preening that allows us to damn the people who had to make hard choices in the heat of a war that was forced upon us, and that goes for 2001 just as easily as it goes for 1941.

    You’re making an invalid assumption that there was an actual basis for considering Japanese Americans to be a threat to national security. There was no such basis.

    If you cast your morals aside because of the heat of the moment, you have no morals.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  57. “Those people” where American citizens.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/17/2017 @ 12:57 pm

    So was Iva Toguri, a Tokyo Rose and so were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. So what?

    So tell me this, what would have happened if the internees had resisted internment with force of arms, against a clearly tyrannical government?
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/17/2017 @ 1:02 pm

    The same thing that happened to the Democrats of the Old South. Why, what would you expect would happen?

    I’ll address this separately. So, what use was the Second Amendment then?
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/17/2017 @ 2:05 pm

    The same as the rest of the Amendments, none. Again, so what?

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  58. You’re making an invalid assumption that there was an actual basis for considering Japanese Americans to be a threat to national security. There was no such basis.

    And again, you’re casting a backward glance 75 years ago and presuming what our leaders knew and understood in the aftermath of a surprise attack. Just stop, it’s asinine of you to do so and I’m not going to take you seriously.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  59. The internment issue is nowhere near as clear-cut as critics would lead us to believe. Fears about collaboration weren’t racist hysteria on the part of Americans – the Imperial government of Japan assumed Japanese-Americans, called Nisei, would collaborate and based their invasion plans around the assumption of collaboration.

    Michelle Malkin’s book, In Defense of Internment, is a must read for those interested in the issue.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  60. Michelle Malkin’s book, In Defense of Internment, is a must read for those interested in the issue.

    Dave would rather sit here three-quarters of a century later and pompously declare that he would have known that internment was a bad idea and he certainly would have come down foursquare against it. But the modern social justice warrior is amazing adept at castigating his predecessors for not living up to his ideas.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  61. *ideals

    JVW (dadb0c)

  62. @16 Hoagie, according to what I’ve seen, white folks have the biggest drug problem. So your caricature of black people is not entirely true. I doubt that you’ve fact checked any of what you said about that, just bought the racist talking points hook, line and sinker.

    http://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/addiction-statistics/

    Tillman (a95660)

  63. Nice to see Mr Sullivan has taken on a new hobby after amateur obstetrics.

    B.A. DuBois (80f588)

  64. It’s all about magical thinking and “TRUTH” (as opposed to facts). It is the religion of the Left. Hula dave, and others like him, simply make it up as they go along. If dave wants his own TRUTH, dave can have his own TRUTH. There’s comfort in TRUTH, which is completely absent from facts. Bless you, dave.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  65. Clinton wrote the Niesi a nice letter apologizing on FDR’s account.

    Myself, I didn’t vote for FDR, Clinton, or any other Democrat, so no need for me to apologize.

    If Davethulhu’s point is Democrats overstepped their authority under law and that living survivors should be prosecuted for those crimes, preaching to the choir.

    Better get a rope.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  66. It’s all about magical thinking and “TRUTH” (as opposed to facts). It is the religion of the Left. Hula dave, and others like him, simply make it up as they go along. If dave wants his own TRUTH, dave can have his own TRUTH. There’s comfort in TRUTH, which is completely absent from facts. Bless you, dave.

    ThOR (c9324e) — 4/17/2017 @ 3:20 pm

    Here’s your truth:

    Early in 1941, Roosevelt commissioned Curtis Munson to conduct an investigation on Japanese Americans living on the West Coast and in Hawaii. After working with FBI and ONI officials and interviewing Japanese Americans and those familiar with them, Munson determined that the “Japanese problem” was nonexistent. His final report to the President, submitted November 7, 1941, “certified a remarkable, even extraordinary degree of loyalty among this generally suspect ethnic group.”[32] A subsequent report by Kenneth Ringle, delivered to the President in January 1942, also found little evidence to support claims of Japanese-American disloyalty and argued against mass incarceration.[33]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

    The Ringle Report was suppressed, and, when later revealed in 2011, resulted in the effective repeal of Korematsu v. United States

    What I’d really like to know, though is why you guys are so far up your own asses that you think a post like ThOR’s above, or pretty much anything by Haiku, represents any sort of valid discussion.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  67. If Davethulhu’s point is Democrats overstepped their authority under law and that living survivors should be prosecuted for those crimes, preaching to the choir.

    Same stupid argument. If this was a Democrat act, why are Republicans in such a hurry to defend it?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  68. Dave would rather sit here three-quarters of a century later and pompously declare that he would have known that internment was a bad idea and he certainly would have come down foursquare against it. But the modern social justice warrior is amazing adept at castigating his predecessors for not living up to his ideas.

    I don’t have to. As I show above, it was known by the people who needed to know that it was a “bad idea”.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  69. 5 – “I would like to offer this. My father was swept up in the “non-Japanese-American internment” of the 1940s. For the next several years, he was confined to primitive living conditions in some of America’s more primitive geographies. For a couple of those years, perhaps as some faux recompense, he was sent on a sea cruise of the western Pacific which involved multiple venues in varying states of real property transfers and ordnance developments, putting not only his life but his favorite and only son’s procreative arrival at risk.”

    Eloquent, powerful and not understood by so many.

    Besides the thousands of Americans who fought, those who died and those caught up in Japan’s aggression, ask any victim of the Japanese, whether it’s slaves worked to death, ‘comfort women’ forced to be pleasure units, POWs who were beheaded for being in the custody of the wrong Japanese officer, or even the attendees of the Oregon church picnic who were unlucky enough to discover a Japanese balloon bomb, if they’d rather have spent four years in Manzanar.

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  70. So was Iva Toguri, a Tokyo Rose and so were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. So what?

    Do you see a difference between these people and the people who were interned?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  71. Besides the thousands of Americans who fought, those who died and those caught up in Japan’s aggression, ask any victim of the Japanese, whether it’s slaves worked to death, ‘comfort women’ forced to be pleasure units, POWs who were beheaded for being in the custody of the wrong Japanese officer, or even the attendees of the Oregon church picnic who were unlucky enough to discover a Japanese balloon bomb, if they’d rather have spent four years in Manzanar.

    What possible relevance does Japan’s behavior during the war have to do with internment?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  72. Bless your heart, dave. You know, I’m a true believer too, though of a more traditional sort.

    And I understand your feeling that Haiku and I should be silenced. True believers often struggle with dissent. The nature of True Belief is that not everyone shares it – it is our cross to bear.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  73. Hurry to defend it? That’s 75 years ago.

    More like dawdling to defend it. Wait a minute while I get my dentures and walker.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  74. And I understand your feeling that Haiku and I should be silenced. True believers often struggle with dissent. The nature of True Belief is that not everyone shares it – it is our cross to bear.

    No counter-argument. Unsurprising really.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  75. As I show above, it was known by the people who needed to know that it was a “bad idea”.

    You do nothing of the sort, you just provide half-assed conjecture and speculation. There isn’t one salient “fact” that you bring to the debate.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  76. You do nothing of the sort, you just provide half-assed conjecture and speculation. There isn’t one salient “fact” that you bring to the debate.

    JVW (dadb0c) — 4/17/2017 @ 3:56 pm

    Here it is again:

    Early in 1941, Roosevelt commissioned Curtis Munson to conduct an investigation on Japanese Americans living on the West Coast and in Hawaii. After working with FBI and ONI officials and interviewing Japanese Americans and those familiar with them, Munson determined that the “Japanese problem” was nonexistent. His final report to the President, submitted November 7, 1941, “certified a remarkable, even extraordinary degree of loyalty among this generally suspect ethnic group.”[32] A subsequent report by Kenneth Ringle, delivered to the President in January 1942, also found little evidence to support claims of Japanese-American disloyalty and argued against mass incarceration.[33]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  77. Ah, I overlooked your comment on the Munson and Ringle Reports. My bad. But I would imagine that theirs were only two reports out of a multitude issued, many of which suggested that internment was a sensible policy. Again, the policy was lamentable, but I doubt that there were many influential voices arguing against the policy.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  78. FDR was as close to a dictator the US ever had. I suspect he tampered with the vote to win the last two elections. I’m certain the media colluded with him to win the first two.

    At that time California Democrats were virulent eugenicists, actually using castration in order to “purify” the population. Nazi Germany sited “scientific” papers authored by CU professors, published in Nature magazine as the peer reviewed basis for the Jewish extermination.

    That’s one of the many reasons I don’t vote for them. What about you Dave?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  79. One thing I think many fail to understand when they get wrapped up in their own victimhood, is the prevalence of victimization in our mongrelized world. Both sides of my family tree can claim victimhood status here in the United States and so can my wife’s family tree. These four different ethnic prejudices are now all wrapped up in my son. His only gripe is that his diffuse victimization makes it difficult to identify with those ethnicities – none of them will have a quarter-blood like him. I bought him Sean Lennon’s Part Asain, 100% Hapa. It made him feel better.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  80. FDR was as close to a dictator the US ever had. I suspect he tampered with the vote to win the last two elections. I’m certain the media colluded with him to win the first two.

    At that time California Democrats were virulent eugenicists, actually using castration in order to “purify” the population. Nazi Germany sited “scientific” papers authored by CU professors, published in Nature magazine as the peer reviewed basis for the Jewish extermination.

    That’s one of the many reasons I don’t vote for them. What about you Dave?

    Gosh, I had no idea that the current Democratic party contained eugenicists. Could you name some names, let me know which ones support eugenics?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  81. Ah, I overlooked your comment on the Munson and Ringle Reports. My bad. But I would imagine that theirs were only two reports out of a multitude issued, many of which suggested that internment was a sensible policy. Again, the policy was lamentable, but I doubt that there were many influential voices arguing against the policy.

    JVW (dadb0c) — 4/17/2017 @ 4:00 pm

    You doubt? Surely you have some facts to support your opinion?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  82. Well, your own Wikipedia citation points out the following:

    On January 2, the Joint Immigration Committee of the California Legislature sent a manifesto to California newspapers which attacked “the ethnic Japanese,” who it alleged were “totally unassimilable.”[38] This manifesto further argued that all people of Japanese heritage were loyal subjects of the Emperor of Japan; the manifesto contended that Japanese language schools were bastions of racism which advanced doctrines of Japanese racial superiority.[38]

    The manifesto was backed by the Native Sons and Daughters of the Golden West and the California Department of the American Legion, which in January demanded that all Japanese with dual citizenship be placed in concentration camps.[38] Internment was not limited to those who had been to Japan, but included a very small number of German and Italian enemy aliens.[38] By February, Earl Warren, the Attorney General of California, had begun his efforts to persuade the federal government to remove all people of Japanese ethnicity from the West Coast.[38]

    The Wikipedia article also lists the various other military and civilian groups that supported internment, as well as the newspaper editorials that came out in favor of it. The Wikipedia article seems to imply that the main opposition to internment came from Hawaiian business interests and the Orange County Register’s editor, which sure sounds to me like public opinion was aligned in favor of internment, and that the voices against it were pretty strongly muted. More power to you if you want to believe that you, Dave, would have seen through the nativism and the anger at the Pearl Harbor attack and supported the right of Japanese-Americans to remain in their homes. I’m more cognizant of my own fallibility.

    JVW (dadb0c)

  83. Now they call it sustainability and lowering the carbon footprint.

    Very clever with their euphemisms, those Democrats.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  84. If you actually read the Munson and Ringle reports, you would discover that the judgment of the authors is not as absolute as Hula dave purports. To quote my favorite philosopher, Gomer, “Suprise! Suprise!” I doubt he’s read either document – and why should he? He already know the TRUTH. That the way the TRUTH works.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  85. More power to you if you want to believe that you, Dave, would have seen through the nativism and the anger at the Pearl Harbor attack and supported the right of Japanese-Americans to remain in their homes. I’m more cognizant of my own fallibility.

    I’d like to think that people can learn from their mistakes. Refusal to admit that a mistake was made interferes with this.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  86. If you actually read the Munson and Ringle reports, you would discover that the judgment of the authors is not as absolute as Hula dave purports. To quote my favorite philosopher, Gomer, “Suprise! Suprise!” I doubt he’s read either document – and why should he? He already know the TRUTH. That the way the TRUTH works.

    ThOR (c9324e) — 4/17/2017 @ 4:29 pm

    b) That of the Japanese-born alien residents, the large majority are at least passively loyal to the United States. That is, they would knowingly do nothing what ever to the injury of the United States, but at the same time would not do anything to the injury of Japan. Also, most might well do surreptitious observation work for Japanese interests if given a convenient opportunity.

    (c) That, however, there are among the Japanese both alien and United States citizens, certain individuals, either deliberately placed by the Japanese government or actuated by a fanatical loyalty to that country who would act as saboteurs or agents. This number is estimated to be less than three per cent of the total, or about 300 in the entire United States.

    (d) That of the persons mentioned in (c) above, the most dangerous are either already in custodial detention or are members of such organizations as the Black Dragon Society, the Kaigun Kyokai (Navy League) , or the Heimusha Iai (Military Service Men’s League) , or affiliated groups. The membership of these groups is already fairly well known to the Naval Intelligence service or the Federal Bureau of Investigation and should immediately be placed in custodial detention, irrespective of whether they are alien or citizen. (See references (e) and (f).

    (e) That, as a basic policy tending toward the permanent solution of this problem, the American citizens of Japanese ancestry should be officially encouraged in their efforts toward loyalty and acceptance as bona fide citizens that they be accorded a place in the national effort through such agencies as the Red Cross, U.S.O., civilian defense, and even such activities as ship and aircraft building or other defense production activities, even though subject to greater investigative checks as to background and loyalty, etc., than Caucasian Americans.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  87. 1. The ISSEI — First generation of Japanese. Entire cultural background Japanese. Probably loyal romantically to Japan. They must be considered, however, as other races. They have made this their home. They have brought up children here, their wealth accumulated by hard labor is here, and many would have become Amercian citizens had they been allowed to do so. They are for the most part simple people. Their age group is largely 55 to 65, fairly old for a hard-working Japanese.

    The Issei, or first generation, is considerably weakened in their loyalty to Japan by the fact that they have chosen to make this their home and have brought up their children here. They expect to die here. They are quite fearful of being put in a concentration camp. Many would take out American citizenship if allowed to do so. The haste of this report does not allow us to go into this more fully. The Issei have to break with their religion, their god and Emperor, their family, their ancestors and their after-life in order to be loyal to the United States. They are also still legally Japanese. Yet they do break, and send their boys off to the Army with pride and tears. They are good neighbors. They are old men fifty-five to sixty-five, for the most part simple and dignified. Roughly they were Japanese lower middle class, about analogous to the pilgrim fathers.

    2. The NISEI — Second generation who have received their whole education in the United States and usually, in spite of discrimination against them and a certain amount of insults accumulated through the years from irresponsible elements, show a pathetic eagerness to be Americans. They are in constant conflict with the orthodox, well disciplined family life of their elders. Age group — 1 to 30 years.

    There are still Japanese in the United States who will tie dynamite around their waist and make a human bomb out of themselves. We grant this, but today they are few. Many things indicate that very many joints in the Japanese set-up show age, and many elements are not what they used to be. The weakest from a Japanese standpoint are the Nisei. They are universally estimated from 90 to 98 percent loyal to the United States if the Japanese-educated element of the Kibei is excluded. The Nisei are pathetically eager to show this loyalty. They are not Japanese in culture. They are foreigners to Japan. Though American citizens they are not accepted by Americans, largely because they look differently and can be easily recognized. The Japanese American Citizens League should be encouraged, the while an eye is kept open, to see that Tokio does not get its finger in this pie — which it has in a few cases attempted to do. The loyal Nisei hardly knows where to turn. Some gesture of protection or wholehearted acceptance of this group would go a long way to swinging them away from any last romantic hankering after old Japan. They are not oriental or mysterious, they are very American and are of a proud, self-respecting race suffering from a little inferiority complex and a lack of contact with the white boys they went to school with. They are eager for this contact and to work alongside them.

    3. The KIBEI — This is an important division of the NISEI. This is the term used by the Japanese to signify those American born Japanese who received part or all of their education in Japan. In any consideration of the KIBEI they should be again divided into two classes, i.e. those who received their education in Japan from childhood to about 17 years of age and those who received their early formative education in the United States and returned to Japan for four or five years Japanese education. The Kibei are considered the most dangerous element and closer to the Issei with special reference to those who received their early education in Japan. It must be noted, however, that many of those who visited Japan subsequent to their early American education come back with added loyalty to the United States. In fact it is a saying that all a Nisei needs is a trip to Japan to make a loyal American out of him. The American educated Japanese is a boor in Japan and treated as a foreigner…

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  88. Here’s a nice little passage from the findings of the Ringle Report: “(At) least seventy-five percent (of Japanese Americans) are loyal to the United States.”

    Well that’s reassuring – we have to worry about no more than 1 in 4 Japanese-Americans acting as traitors.

    And from Munson: “There are still Japanese in the United States who will tie dynamite around their waist and make a human bomb out of themselves. We grant this, but today they are few.”

    You be the judge. Does this finding comport with dave’s argument that ““Japanese problem” was nonexistent” and that the Munson and Ringle Reports exonerate Japanese Americans?

    Like so much True Belief, dave’s TRUTH is a mile wide and an inch deep.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  89. Let go of it dave. It’s a gray area and you’re making little progress with all your palaver.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  90. Hoover was against the internment again overbroad, but then again this crowd is against this manageable cohort at gitmo so ‘talk to the hand’ dave.

    narciso (e3d21c)

  91. Well that’s reassuring – we have to worry about no more than 1 in 4 Japanese-Americans acting as traitors.

    And from Munson: “There are still Japanese in the United States who will tie dynamite around their waist and make a human bomb out of themselves. We grant this, but today they are few.”

    You be the judge. Does this finding comport with dave’s argument that ““Japanese problem” was nonexistent” and that the Munson and Ringle Reports exonerate Japanese Americans?

    Like so much True Belief, dave’s TRUTH is a mile wide and an inch deep.

    (h) That, in short, the entire “Japanese Problem” has been magnified out of its true proportion, largely because of the physical characteristics of the people; that it is no more serious that the problems of the German, Italian, and Communistic portions of the United States population, and, finally that it should be handled on the basis of the individual, regardless of citizenship, and not on a racial basis.

    Also, what is it with you and the personal attacks?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  92. 49… FDR was a progressive who Democrats revere as a saint and he was the man who instituted the evil internment. And, since you brought it up, Democrats did found and administer the KKK… more evil bastards. And idiotic in both cases.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  93. 49… FDR was a progressive who Democrats revere as a saint and he was the man who instituted the evil internment. And, since you brought it up, Democrats did found and administer the KKK… more evil bastards. And idiotic in both cases.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 4/17/2017 @ 5:09 pm

    Why do you keep making this retarded argument? The people in this very thread defending internment are Republicans. The current KKK supports Republicans.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  94. I denounce both the policy and the KKK. And I denounce progressives, who keep much of our black population in soft chains, through the soft bigotry and racism of low expectations.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. War is hel! Why, we once had a president that suspended the 4th amendment and KILLED hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans to win a war. Now he’s widely concidered one of our greatest presidents.

    Not everyone agrees.

    Still, I imagine history will judge Lincoln and FDR a lot better than that he current generation that is selling out the country in the name of social justice. Which is where Dave is arguing from.

    Leon (b3acf6)

  96. KILLED hundreds of thousands of fellow Americans

    Confederates were traitors, they deserved a traitor’s death.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  97. dave,

    Like so many liberals I know, you are blinkered and snide. Your “conservatives are bigots” mindset is insulting to all of us here. To the extent you make arguments, they are steeped in condescension. You are not our better.

    And you wonder why I belittle you. You are the only person commenting here who doesn’t get it.

    The comical thing about the entire exchange is that you fail to understand that we are almost universally critical of the interment of Japanese Americans. Wake up, dave!

    ThOR (c9324e)

  98. “according to what I’ve seen, white folks have the biggest drug problem. So your caricature of black people is not entirely true.”

    I don’t know what the actual percentages are but your experience, Tillie, is colored by the fact you hang with other progressive dirtbags who lack character and have serious self-esteem issues.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  99. Funny, that’s what King George said about the founding fathers.

    Leon (b3acf6)

  100. Progressives supported the murderer Josef Stalin, one of the worst mass-murderers the world has ever known.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. He’s not selfaware enough, who Ben Tillman was, so I’m guessing he’s trying to appropriate pat tillman’s name.

    narciso (e3d21c)

  102. A recent bio of Hemingway showed how he had worked with the nkvd in Spain and China, that last was a new wrinkle.

    narciso (e3d21c)

  103. The forward advance team in the Philippines were disguised as gardening staff:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/cjtfarrell/status/854090985642622977

    narciso (e3d21c)

  104. Like so many liberals I know, you are blinkered and snide. Your “conservatives are bigots” mindset is insulting to all of us here. To the extent you make arguments, they are steeped in condescension. You are not our better.

    You’re projecting

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  105. why is obscenely perverted mitt romney’s slicked-up buttboy paul ryan still on vacation when all of us are back to work?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. It’s not like he accomplishes much when he’s in town, I compare it to the florida leg, kish Will know what I’m talking about:

    https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2017/04/15/the-purge-of-a-report-on-radical-islam-has-put-nyc-at-risk/amp/

    narciso (e3d21c)

  107. She fell of the not so fabulous Rhodes bros

    https://sharylattkisson.com/obama-era-
    surveillance-timeline/

    narciso (e3d21c)

  108. Gosh, I had no idea that the current Democratic party contained eugenicists. Could you name some names, let me know which ones support eugenics?

    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/17/2017 @ 4:07 pm

    The pro choice movement is a liberal cause that has its roots in eugenics, and eugenics is arguably still part of the modern movement.

    DRJ (15874d)

  109. The thread that connects racist Democrats of all eras is the belief that all lives are not of equal value. Is that a familiar contemporary Democratic theme? You bet it is.

    ThOR (4e593a)

  110. Dave,

    Please tell us that you believe that all lives matter and that those who believe otherwise are contemptible bigots.

    ThOR (4e593a)

  111. Dave?

    ThOR (4e593a)

  112. My Asian father-in-law had such terrible stories about being Asian in California during the 30s thru the 60s. Little difference in reality from the worst Jim Crow laws down south.

    jack burton (18e2fe)

  113. The thread that connects racist Democrats of all eras is the belief that all lives are not of equal value. Is that a familiar contemporary Democratic theme? You bet it is.

    ThOR (4e593a) — 4/17/2017 @ 7:03 pm

    You’re projecting again.

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  114. It’s not like he accomplishes much when he’s in town, I compare it to the florida leg, kish Will know what I’m talking about:

    https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2017/04/15/the-purge-of-a-report-on-radical-islam-has-put-nyc-at-risk/amp/

    narciso (e3d21c) — 4/17/2017 @ 6:27 pm

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/the-strange-case-of-the-philandering-muslim-threat-hyping-fbi-agent

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  115. Dave,

    You’re stalling. Do all lives matter? Are dissenters racists?

    ThOR (4e593a)

  116. I’m not here to entertain you ThOR. Make an argument and I’ll address it.

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  117. How many plots have happened in NYC, about 25 by best guess

    narciso (e3d21c)

  118. Guandolo was not the author of the report, Mitch silver did and he ran the intelligence section of nypd

    narciso (e3d21c)

  119. Theme from Dave teh Squid… http://youtu.be/jKt0l6x399E

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. No “touche”?

    You may want to spend a bit more time reflecting on your own bigotries and a bit less time projecting them on others.

    ThOR (4e593a)

  121. Guandolo was not the author of the report, Mitch silver did and he ran the intelligence section of nypd
    narciso (e3d21c) — 4/17/2017 @ 7:43 pm

    my mistake

    https://www.ap.org/ap-in-the-news/2012/nypd-muslim-spying-led-to-no-leads-terror-cases

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  122. Democrats show their true selves… http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/55116.html

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  123. @123-I was just about to post that with the tag line; why the rise of the alt-right us inevitable.

    Leon (79ca52)

  124. “is” inevitable.

    Leon (79ca52)

  125. Let me be clear, I think radicalization is a big problem. However, NYPD has been really bad with a lot of policies (Stop and Frisk, the above linked surveillance).

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  126. That New York magazine about how duke lacrosse was the catalyst to the movement was interesting, just not the way they tbought.

    narciso (e3d21c)

  127. Republicans show their true selves… http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/politics/alt-right-gathering-donald-trump/

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  128. Yes let’s follow cve which has been a marked failure both here and in western europe

    narciso (e3d21c)

  129. One couldn’t be surprised if one saw the writing on the wall, re the previous rampage along telegraph avenue.

    narciso (e3d21c)

  130. Quelle surprise

    http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us.linkis.com/W
    YYOU

    narciso (e3d21c)

  131. Obama use to have kindergartners singing songs in his praises, but they had a grqade point average riding on their participation.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  132. Hillary had something similar happen for her once, except that her crowd raised their middle fingers in unison.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  133. Remember when I mentioned that Hillary crowd saluting her with their middle finger?
    I’m sorry. That never happened.

    It was the DNC voting on whether to include God in their invocation where they did the middle finger thing.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  134. Trump had some little girls sing for him, then they ended up suing him.

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  135. They’d most likely have to sue someone just to make ends after the NAZIS the bigots in the entertainment industry blackball them.

    Just wondering why they would sue Trump?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  136. They dissed the military and law enforcement the next time.

    narciso (e3d21c)

  137. Here’s something I always find intriguing about right wing internment apologists. Another article of faith on the right is that the Second Amendment is a check on government tyranny, and that gun control enabled the Nazis to implement the holocaust.

    So tell me this, what would have happened if the internees had resisted internment with force of arms, against a clearly tyrannical government?

    Davethulhu

    I think what you’re not realizing is just how dark Pearl Harbor was. It was like 9/11, only it was perpetrated by a government that had been pretending to be our friends in an incredibly dishonest manner. It was cold blooded murder and it stoked such hatred.

    For Japanese Americans, it put them in a terrible position, but resisting America with violence was the exact opposite of what they wanted to communicate to the nation. these families had moved to the other side of the world for the opportunities for their families, leaving a very antiquated society for a very modern one, and then, that antiquated bastard of a homeland didn’t just betray white Americans, it double betrayed the Japanese Americans with dishonor.

    Was interning the right thing to do? Obviously in the comfort of peace I can say it clearly was wrong. But these black and white decisions are not reality for Japanese Americans in WWII, and a lot of them cooperated to prove their loyalty. A lot of them fought to prove their loyalty (and of course did so).

    Does the 2nd Amendment guarantee liberty? Not absolutely. The real guarantee is sober education and understanding. We’re all pretty bad at understanding when it really comes down to a concept we don’t like. I’m bad at it. And as our education fails to teach history (WWII was barely covered in my college history class) we only get worse. Internment is used, like manifest destiny and slavery, as proof of how wrong the concept of the USA is, and how awful our founders and other leaders are, and it’s very easy to buy into that without the understanding of just how dire some of our nation’s struggles really were.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  138. Dave wants to ignore the current eugenicist movement in the left which is to wipe out the white race for the sin of creating western civilization. White men are considered guilty and evil and forever racist. They must berate themselves constantly and accept they have unearned white privilege.

    Do you deny that Dave?

    NJRob (43d957)

  139. Do you deny that Dave?

    I deny that white genocide is a thing that exists. Anyone who believes in it is deluded at best.

    As far as the internment is concerned, if you’re not willing to admit you made a mistake and learn from it, you’ll end up making the same mistake again.

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  140. Now who’s projecting?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  141. Chew on this for a minute. In the 76th and 77th Congresses, both chambers had a Democratic supermajority. In the 78th both chambers had a bare Democratic majority.

    Just to remove any doubt, over the entire course of world war 2 (from the annexation of Czechoslovakia until well after the Nagasaki bomb) all policies were the product of Democrats.

    Frankly, it’s a [edit]ing miracle. First that we won. Second that Roosevelt/Truman didn’t surrender the whole of Europe and Japan to the communists.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  142. papertiger
    In WW 2 we had a Department of WAR, now we have a Department of defense.

    mg (31009b)

  143. I deny that white genocide is a thing that exists. Anyone who believes in it is deluded at best.

    There’s more than one way to commit genocide. On one hand you can starve people to death or gas them like the leftists did in communist Russia and Nazi Germany or you can just breed them out. Either way the object is the elimination of a group of people.

    Now perhaps “white genocide” does not exist ad Dave claims but does the genocide of Western Civilization?, America, Europe, Christianity? Looks like there is a whole lot of evidence that does exist.

    Seems the only countries expected to accept “diversity” are white and yet white countries are the only ones that are diverse in any meaning of the word. Just look at the Olympic teams if you don’t get it. How many whites are on China’s or Somalia’s teams? Now look at the faces on the Western teams.

    BTW Dave, if you don’t believe in “white genocide” what exactly is going on in Sweden, Germany, France and England? You can close your eyes all you want. You can call people racists all you want. But the evidence is there is a movement to erase both the white race and the Christian faith. And it’s being lead by the left and their ally’s the moslems.

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  144. how can we have a proper white genocide if perverted sodomite mitt romney’s slicked-up sex poodle Paul Ryan is always on vacation

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. “White men are considered guilty and evil and forever racist. They must berate themselves constantly and accept they have unearned white privilege.”

    – NJRob

    Man, what kind of sh*tty place do you live, that makes you do all of that? I’m a white man, and I don’t have to deal with any of that where I live.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  146. “Internment is used, like manifest destiny and slavery, as proof of how wrong the concept of the USA is, and how awful our founders and other leaders are…”

    – Dustin

    Disagree. Internment is used, like manifest destiny and slavery, to show that the USA and its leaders are not and have not been infallible over the course of its history. Slavery, as a more fundamental building block of American society, and a far greater societal sin, takes a more intense and repeated central role in teaching this lesson, and rightly so.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  147. “What possible relevance does Japan’s behavior during the war have to do with internment.”

    Considering that the Japanese gave clear evidence on how they treated conquered peoples in China and Manchuria, only a fool would suggest it was not relevant.

    You’d have fit right in with the Smithsonian folks who designed the first Ebola Gay exhibit.

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  148. “What possible relevance does Japan’s behavior during the war have to do with internment.”

    Considering that the Japanese gave clear evidence on how they treated conquered peoples in China and Manchuria, only a fool would suggest it was not relevant.

    You’d have fit right in with the Smithsonian folks who designed the first Ebola Gay exhibit.

    harkin (dbcc1e) — 4/18/2017 @ 8:09 am

    The Members of Congress and distinguished guests, my fellow Americans, we gather here today to right a grave wrong. More than 40 years ago, shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, 120,000 persons of Japanese ancestry living in the United States were forcibly removed from their homes and placed in makeshift internment camps. This action was taken without trial, without jury. It was based solely on race, for these 120,000 were Americans of Japanese descent.

    Yes, the Nation was then at war, struggling for its survival, and it’s not for us today to pass judgment upon those who may have made mistakes while engaged in that great struggle. Yet we must recognize that the internment of Japanese-Americans was just that: a mistake. For throughout the war, Japanese-Americans in the tens of thousands remained utterly loyal to the United States. Indeed, scores of Japanese-Americans volunteered for our Armed Forces, many stepping forward in the internment camps themselves. The 442d Regimental Combat Team, made up entirely of Japanese-Americans, served with immense distinction to defend this nation, their nation. Yet back at home, the soldiers’ families were being denied the very freedom for which so many of the soldiers themselves were laying down their lives.

    Guess who?

    Davethulhu (0075ca)

  149. ““What possible relevance does Japan’s behavior during the war have to do with internment.”

    Considering that the Japanese gave clear evidence on how they treated conquered peoples in China and Manchuria, only a fool would suggest it was not relevant.”

    I’m with you here, Hula dave. Absolutely! The behavior of the Japanese gave us a grim insight into their character. It was this insight that FDR and others believed might be indicative of the potential behavior of Japanese-Americans, hence internment. Only a fool, as you put it, would suggest this was not relevant.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  150. “What possible relevance does Japan’s behavior during the war have to do with internment.”

    Considering that the Japanese gave clear evidence on how they treated conquered peoples in China and Manchuria, only a fool would suggest it was not relevant.”

    I’m with you here, Hula dave. Absolutely! The behavior of the Japanese gave us a grim insight into their character. It was this insight that FDR and others believed might be indicative of the potential behavior of Japanese-Americans, hence internment. Only a fool, as you put it, would suggest this was not relevant.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  151. I do not understand why the internment of thousands of potential saboteurs, spies and collaborators is looked upon as bad. If there had been no internment and thousands of Americans were poisoned by their drinking water, blown up in sabotage attacks and our military production interrupted by the same who would be calling the failure to secure potential enemies in our midst treason?

    Who hasn’t learned the lesson of the Trojan Horse?

    Therefore, why today are we bringing in enemies who have declared jihad against us and who are actively killing our citizens in the name of their phony religion? Are our leaders so blind they can’t see what’s happening in Europe? Has the Constitution become the proverbial suicide pact?

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  152. I’m with you here, Hula dave. Absolutely! The behavior of the Japanese gave us a grim insight into their character. It was this insight that FDR and others believed might be indicative of the potential behavior of Japanese-Americans, hence internment. Only a fool, as you put it, would suggest this was not relevant.

    ThOR (c9324e) — 4/18/2017 @ 9:36 am

    I do not understand why the internment of thousands of potential saboteurs, spies and collaborators is looked upon as bad. If there had been no internment and thousands of Americans were poisoned by their drinking water, blown up in sabotage attacks and our military production interrupted by the same who would be calling the failure to secure potential enemies in our midst treason?

    The people interned were American citizens. You guys remember the Constitution, right? You can’t deprive someone of liberty without due process.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  153. I can’t believe I have to make this argument.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  154. I can believe you have to make that argument.

    It’s just I can’t believe you’re making it here instead of over at Politico or Huffington Post, at the people who need to hear it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  155. Seems like there are people here who need to hear it as well.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  156. I understand you are a little weak on exactly how our constitutional system works. Our country does such a poor job with civics education it is disheartening. If you are in a rush, the Wikipedia page does a good job of reviewing the basics. Then, with that review under your belt, have a look at the decision in Korematsu v. United States.

    For a little further reading on “You can’t deprive someone of liberty without due process”, might I suggest Wikipedia’s “Habeus Corpus Suspension Act of 1863” page.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  157. “I do not understand why the internment of thousands of potential saboteurs, spies and collaborators is looked upon as bad. If there had been no internment and thousands of Americans were poisoned by their drinking water, blown up in sabotage attacks and our military production interrupted by the same who would be calling the failure to secure potential enemies in our midst treason?”

    – Rev. Hoagie

    Because the people you call “potential saboteurs, spies, and collaborators” were, by and large, American citizens. You, who purport (unconvincingly) to care about the Constitution, would have thousands of American citizens rounded up and interned without due process of law? Anyone who advocates such constitutional violations is an embarrassment to America’s ideals.

    If we end up at war with North Korea, are you going to be advocating the internment of Korean-Americans as “potential saboteurs, spies, and collaborators”? You know that most North Korean spies are in South Korea, right?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  158. Korematsu, like Buck v. Bell and Dred Scott before it, is a stain on American jurisprudence. It may be the law, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s an embarrassment for people with an ounce of American dignity.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  159. Korematsu v. United States

    Effectively overturned, primarily because of suppression of evidence.

    For a little further reading on “You can’t deprive someone of liberty without due process”, might I suggest Wikipedia’s “Habeus Corpus Suspension Act of 1863” page.

    Are you suggesting that the presence of American citizens of Japanese descent was a crisis equivalent to the Civil War?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  160. If we end up at war with North Korea, are you going to be advocating the internment of Korean-Americans as “potential saboteurs, spies, and collaborators”? You know that most North Korean spies are in South Korea, right?

    You don’t even need to go that far. These guys are itching to round up all the muslims right now.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  161. The people interned were American citizens. You guys remember the Constitution, right? You can’t deprive someone of liberty without due process.

    Shame that Democrats have forgotten the Constitution.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  162. I haven’t read all the comments so apologies if this was addressed.

    As for why Germans were not interned, I can only guess they were more familiar and accepted by the general population by virtue of being European

    The internment of Japanese citizens occurred on the west coast, Few Germans were in the same area and the hysteria was about Japan attacking California. The Niihau incident might have had a significant effect on the decision. The anti-German hysteria was mostly in WWI.

    The British sent most German refugees in Britain to Canada despite the fact that they were all Jews fleeing Hitler.

    I don’t think Japanese-Americans in other parts of the country were interned and those in Hawaii were not because there was no shipping.

    Mike K (f469ea)

  163. were NOT interned.

    Mike K (f469ea)

  164. Seems like there are people here who need to hear it as well.

    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/18/2017 @ 9:57 am

    Show me a link where you are making that argument at the Huffpo, or the New York Times, CBS news, Washington post; anywhere the mainstream Democrat advocates of unlimited State power allow you to speak.

    Believe it when I see it.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  165. These guys are itching to round up all the muslims right now.

    Kind of a hysterical comment. Muslim immigration is not a good idea. Muslims are a potential problem because of cultural problems with accepting western beliefs. I don’t think anyone wants to “round up all Muslims.”

    Mike K (f469ea)

  166. No, I’m suggesting that “You can’t deprive someone of liberty without due process” is yet another in a string of fatuous, ahistorical assertions. Fatuous, ahistorical assertions convince no one and only serve to undermine the few “valid” arguments you have stumbled on.

    Let’s just have a look at the sentence in question: “You can’t deprive someone of liberty without due process.” A much better formulation would be: “You can’t We shouldn’t deprive someone of liberty without due process.” Who could argue?

    You should be thanking me for helping you clean up your muddled thinking and ineffective style of argument. Keep working on it!

    ThOR (c9324e)

  167. Show me a link where you are making that argument at the Huffpo, or the New York Times, CBS news, Washington post; anywhere the mainstream Democrat advocates of unlimited State power allow you to speak.

    When any of the above are advocating internment, I’ll be glad to speak against them.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  168. Has the Constitution become the proverbial suicide pact?

    A Constitution that is not a suicide pact is a worthless Constitution. If a Constitution can be set aside even once, then it can be set aside all the time.

    If you want evidence, just look at how often the Constitution was ignored in American history, and how we got to where we are now because it kept getting ignored and set aside on the pretext of immediate need.

    kishnevi (2dabdc)

  169. Mike K (f469ea) — 4/18/2017 @ 10:48 am
    No one has called openly for it, but here and elsewhere I have seen things said by people which make me think the idea would be quite welcome to some people.

    kishnevi (2dabdc)

  170. Actually there were thousands of German born residents of the US, many of them not of German citizenship, who were arrested and detained during WWI under the Wilson administration. I recommend Arnold Krammer, Undue Process and Thomas Fleming, The Illusion of Victory, for details of the many abuses under Wilson.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  171. ThOR:

    Let’s just have a look at the sentence in question: “You can’t deprive someone of liberty without due process.” A much better formulation would be: “You can’t We shouldn’t deprive someone of liberty without due process.” Who could argue?

    It would be helpful if you could be more precise. If by “We” you mean regular people, then I agree. But as a rule, regular people don’t have the ability to deprive someone of liberty. If you are referring to “Government,” then I disagree. The Constitution is not a suggestion and it prohibits government from depriving any person of liberty without due process.

    DRJ (15874d)

  172. 166 – “Muslim immigration is not a good idea. Muslims are a potential problem because of cultural problems with accepting western beliefs. I don’t think anyone wants to “round up all Muslims.””

    No, most thinking people just want the realities of what has already happened to all Islam-dominated countries to be understood.

    Europe today is faced with a stark choice on whether or not to commit cultural suicide. There are plenty in the EU who echo the America haters here that to confront reality is to be a xenophobic, intolerant racist.

    Meanwhile, Erdogan, the new Sultan errrrr President of Turkey, in a speech last month “urged Turks living in Europe to have five children each, telling them: “You are the future of Europe.””

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3351610/president-erdogan-has-killed-off-democracy-in-turkey-and-its-a-tragedy-for-turks-britain-and-europe/

    harkin (517285)

  173. The Constitution is not a suggestion and it prohibits government from depriving any person of liberty without due process.

    It also prohibits the government regarding religion from “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” but try and pray in school. It also prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures without “describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized” so what’s a “John Doe” warrant?

    Actually, I can’t think of any right enumerated in the Constitution that has not to some extent been compromised usually by the left to obtain a certain goal.

    It the Constitution does not mean what t says then we have no constitution. We have no constitution.

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  174. shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, 120,000 persons of Japanese ancestry living in the United States were forcibly removed from their homes and placed in makeshift internment camps.

    Uh-huh. Sucked to be them.

    Also, more than 10,000,000 Americans of all ancestry were drafted, forcibly put on troop ships, and over 400,000 of them placed in makeshift coffins.

    Really sucked to be them.

    Leon (79ca52)

  175. I don’t think anyone wants to “round up all Muslims.”
    Mike K (f469ea) — 4/18/2017 @ 10:48 am

    Then just how do you plan to protect my family from moslem terrorist bombers? How are Americans safe if there are people here who believe it is their duty to convert us and if they can’t then to kill us? How do we defend against a theocratic dictatorship, existing in our own republic which wants to overthrow the government and replace it with a caliphate and sharia law?

    Just because our government doesn’t recognize Islam has a jihad against us doesn’t mean they don’t. And you can’t be an “Islamophobe” if they really are trying to kill you.

    The left has paralyzed America with fear of being called racist or bigot or Islamophobe to the point we are willing to die and have our country end rather than stand up for ourselves and throw the bums out.

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  176. Ex. A, Mike K – Rev. Hoagie.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  177. “The Constitution is not a suggestion and it prohibits government from depriving any person of liberty without due process.”

    DRJ

    It’s not that I disagree; it is that, over our nation’s history, the final arbiter of what the Constitution does and does not say – the judicial branch – has, on a number of occasions, begged to differ.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  178. And if anyone still doubts that leftism is a religion, the anti-free speech crowd at Berkeley is adopting the language of the Muslims in regards to punishment for those who disagree:

    ‘Vandal Calls for Beheading, Lynching of Berkeley College Republicans’.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/heatst.com/culture-wars/anonymous-vandal-calls-for-beheading-lynching-of-berkeley-college-republicans/amp/

    When you punish no one for previous acts of assault, vandalism and arson to stifle free speech, this is what you encourage.

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  179. The left has paralyzed America with fear of being called racist or bigot or Islamophobe to the point we are willing to die and have our country end rather than stand up for ourselves and throw the bums out.

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38) — 4/18/2017 @ 12:19 pm

    You’re ridiculous. Islam isn’t an existential threat to the the country.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  180. It’s also not an existential threat to Europe, despite all the breathless reporting from tabloids.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  181. “Actually there were thousands of German born residents of the US, many of them not of German citizenship, who were arrested and detained during WWI under the Wilson administration. I recommend Arnold Krammer, Undue Process and Thomas Fleming, The Illusion of Victory, for details of the many abuses under Wilson.”

    SPQR (a3a747) — 4/18/2017 @ 11:35 am

    Just what is it with progressives!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  182. Radical Islam is.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  183. Just as the far-left are striving to be.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  184. The far-left runs with radical Islam… useless idiots.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  185. You’re more likely to be eaten by a shark than killed by a terrorist. In fact, this sort of hysterical reaction is exactly what the terrorists want.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  186. “It’s also not an existential threat to Europe, despite all the breathless reporting from tabloids.”

    – Hula dave

    Wow! Is there no limit to your expertise?

    ThOR (c9324e)

  187. It follows a pattern in the UK where Livingstone made alliances with quradawi, the Egyptian mullah which recommends which stone to use, on first name basis with Walsh and emmanuel.

    narciso (7f6293)

  188. why don’t we just let the sharks eat the terrorists then

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  189. a little perspective

    http://i.imgur.com/jWnN5Z4.png

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  190. mo-ham-head kills in Fresno, guess what this “Fresno Man” was yelling?

    mg (31009b)

  191. You’re ridiculous. Islam isn’t an existential threat to the the country.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/18/2017 @ 1:08 pm

    You sir are either blind or crazy.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VgwXrzdIUNg/UE7N4lqJoaI/AAAAAAAAAAc/wVTw0nej-0I/s400/2.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  192. Look at all the shark attacks – just in the last 30 days……

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  193. Do you know what “existential threat” means?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  194. Look at all the shark attacks – just in the last 30 days……

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

    harkin (dbcc1e) — 4/18/2017 @ 1:42 pm

    None of these are in the US.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  195. You’re more likely to be eaten by a shark than killed by a terrorist. In fact, this sort of hysterical reaction is exactly what the terrorists want.

    Yes, let’s just get used to the new reality. Nothing to see here.

    Just another shark attack.

    The motive for the killings remains a mystery. No one knows why Mt Muhammed suddenly attack six strangers.

    Mike K (f469ea)

  196. Dave, it’s not just the terrorist acts, it’s the creeping sharia.

    For perspective: protesters burn the American flag all over the country everyday, the authorities yawn. Meanwhile;

    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/04/13/investigation-after-copies-of-quran-discovered-in-ut-dallas-toilet/

    An investigation?

    Meanwhile, while you were typing your ” Islam isn’t an existential threat to the the country.” Comment, Islam attacked Fresno Ca. Fresno!

    Them sharks are getting mighty hungry.

    http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/suspect-in-fresno-shooting-spree-that-killed-3-shouts-allahu-akbar-when-arrested/693838151

    Leon (79ca52)

  197. 186.You’re more likely to be eaten by a shark than killed by a terrorist. In fact, this sort of hysterical reaction is exactly what the terrorists want.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/18/2017 @ 1:17 pm

    You are a liar and are repeating a lie. In 2016 eight people died from shark attacks. Down from nine the previous year. ISIS murdered over 1,200. And that’s just civilian. And just ISIS. You really are an islamophilian. Why do you defend terrorists against your own people? Why?

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  198. You are a liar and are repeating a lie. In 2016 eight people died from shark attacks. Down from nine the previous year. ISIS murdered over 1,200. And that’s just civilian. And just ISIS. You really are an islamophilian. Why do you defend terrorists against your own people? Why?

    Not in the United States.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  199. Islam is an existential threat to everything it comes into contact with. Or don’t you read history? Or watch the news? Or use your noodle?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4vr1ujdKF6k/WPV3g4gfmAI/AAAAAAABIeo/HU98xMDu3GITI-h8xjFpFGKIRIIVAXKSACLcB/s640/1ninetymilesmrmxv1sr05xyo1_500.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  200. Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=1

    As a white supremacist, Hoagie, how do you respond to this?

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  201. Not in the United States.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/18/2017 @ 1:50 pm

    ANYWHERE! They believe they are to convert the world. And people as ignorant of islam as you are help them. Useless idiots.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5VhptIuNMd0/WN5QfKqO9UI/AAAAAAABH_Q/lGf9YrPe01gocJQXzawWvV7PDwkQHm1DwCLcB/s1600/C8K875kUMAA39Sa-905.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  202. As a white supremacist, Hoagie, how do you respond to this?

    That’s the ticket you leftist dog. As soon as I disagree I’m a white supremacist. Hey a$$hole, I’m married to a Korean. If I’m a supremacist I’m a pretty bad one. You and your NYT are comparing criminals to religious terrorists. Try again. Idiot.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qIOxgpNjGMM/WKPNoUxvN4I/AAAAAAABF3k/yavKmllILzEqTjZVhXZKsuQ7qwR6ALAzgCLcB/s1600/1ninetymilesmSiDi1v0405fo1_1280-905.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  203. 202- try those numbers as a percentage of population. I mean, another way you might want to state your statistics is: Muslims ( .5% of the population) have killed half as many Americans as whites (63% of the population).

    But of course it’s whites that are the problem in your world.

    Leon (79ca52)

  204. I’d italize Fresno, not for being representative of noncoastal America, but for the comparative lack of white meat. If any of the vics was Jaliensce, he ain’t gonna make it past county. Blacks in CA would be full honorary white if not for this clown, Dorner, and AB 109.

    urbanleftbehind (f3b6e3)

  205. Time for another topic.
    Guess which presidential candidate had dinner with Putin and Flynn.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/amp/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
    The answer probably won’t surprise you.

    kishnevi (b4162e)

  206. To extrapolate #205, if (when) Muslims become 1% of the population, they will kill as many as 63% of the population. If Muslims become 10% of the population, they will kill 10x the number of the 60% white population. (I reduced the percentage of whites due to all the Muslim caused killings).

    Are they a threat at that point? Do we have cause to limit the Muslim population, especially looking at the numbers coming from more heavily Muslim countries?

    Na, of course islamiphobic whites are the problem.

    Leon (79ca52)

  207. pretty sure this guy is the problem

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  208. 208 Leon, you make it sound like few Islamic people murder, so that’s a bad thing? It’s absurd on the face of it.

    Tillman (a95660)

  209. “Dyer said the gunman walked up to a PG&E truck in the 300 block of North Van Ness Avenue about 10:45 a.m. and shot the passenger repeatedly. The driver of the pickup then sped to Fresno police headquarters on M Street. The second shooting was only a few seconds later and was at Van Ness and Mildreda Street, where the gunman shot at but missed a resident. The gunman then turned onto Fulton Street and fired several rounds at another man, striking and killing him, Dyer said. After reloading at a bus stop, the gunman then shot and killed a man in the parking lot of Catholic Charities in the 100 block of North Fulton Street, he said.

    Officers responding to the initial shotspotter reports found Muhammad running south on Fulton. Muhammad dove to the ground and yelled “Ali Akbar” before he was taken into custody, Dyer said.

    http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article145234709.html#storylink=cpy

    We can all breathe easy though, no sharks sighted!

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  210. Islamic enablers insisting on starting murder counts the day after 9/11 are the adult equivalent of the monkeys covering their eyes, mouths and ears.

    “Not in the United States”

    Nope, so keep importing them till the numbers balance out!

    harkin (dbcc1e)

  211. “you make it sound like few Islamic people murder, so that’s a bad thing?”

    Well, yeah. Actually what Dave was (inadvertently) saying is a few Muslim people kill more than a LOT of white people, but whatever.

    Tell ya what Tillman, how about you walk around Washington DC or Dallas or Atlanta holding a sign that says “Jesus is a myth” and see what happens. And then head to Medina or Karachi or Gaza City and do the same thing with a corresponding sign about Islam. Afterwards, let’s compare results.

    Leon (79ca52)

  212. Leon. you don’t even have to hold a sign where I used to live: go out about 3 in the morning in Memphis.

    There are over a million Muslims living peacefully here in the U.S. We should protect ourselves from terrorists, but not put all of them in the same boat because of the actions of a tiny fraction of them.

    Tillman (a95660)

  213. “Hey a$$hole, I’m married to a Korean.”

    – Rev. Hoagie

    Yeah, I noticed how you dodged my question back at #158 about how you’d feel about the wholesale internment of Korean-Americans if we declared war on North Korea.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  214. That’s the ticket you leftist dog. As soon as I disagree I’m a white supremacist. Hey a$$hole, I’m married to a Korean. If I’m a supremacist I’m a pretty bad one.

    You started the name calling, not me. Your belief in white genocide clearly puts you in the white supremacist camp.

    You and your NYT are comparing criminals to religious terrorists. Try again. Idiot.

    White supremacists are terrorists. They’re also criminals, but they’re terrorists too.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  215. A “tiny fraction”?

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/20981-shocking-interviews-the-muslims-in-america-who-want-sharia

    The poll … found 40 percent of Muslims in America believe they should not be judged by U.S. law and the Constitution, but by Sharia standards.
    … “Almost half of those Muslims surveyed — an astonishing 46 percent — said they believe those Americans who offer criticism or parodies of Islam should face criminal charges,” said pollster Fritz Wenzel in an analysis of the survey’s results.
    “Even more shocking: One in eight respondents said they think those Americans who criticize or parody Islam should face the death penalty, while another nine percent said they were unsure on the question,” he said.
    Wenzel said even the 9 percent “undecided” on that particular question is alarming.
    … Wenzel’s poll said 7.2 percent of the respondents said they “strongly agree” with the idea of execution for those who parody Islam, and another 4.3 percent said they somewhat agree.

    Leon (79ca52)

  216. Leon, if even half of the Muslims living here were as violent as you’d have us believe they are, this whole country would be a living hell right now. Buy a clue, dude.

    Tillman (a95660)

  217. Leviticus how many NORTH Koreans are there in the U.S.?

    Leon (79ca52)

  218. The demographic cohort is smaller than in france, where 100’000 troops patrol the streets

    narciso (7f6293)

  219. i think doing it the justin amash freedom filth way and cramming syrian rapefugees all up in it is a choice

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  220. A “tiny fraction”?

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/20981-shocking-interviews-the-muslims-in-america-who-want-sharia

    The poll … found 40 percent of Muslims in America believe they should not be judged by U.S. law and the Constitution, but by Sharia standards.
    … “Almost half of those Muslims surveyed — an astonishing 46 percent — said they believe those Americans who offer criticism or parodies of Islam should face criminal charges,” said pollster Fritz Wenzel in an analysis of the survey’s results.
    “Even more shocking: One in eight respondents said they think those Americans who criticize or parody Islam should face the death penalty, while another nine percent said they were unsure on the question,” he said.
    Wenzel said even the 9 percent “undecided” on that particular question is alarming.
    … Wenzel’s poll said 7.2 percent of the respondents said they “strongly agree” with the idea of execution for those who parody Islam, and another 4.3 percent said they somewhat agree.

    Leon (79ca52) — 4/18/2017 @ 3:20 pm

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2012/12/11/farahs-dishonest-handling-of-polling-data/

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  221. Interesting to see the Muslim fan here. The usual weak arguments.

    Mike K (f469ea)

  222. Tell ya what Tillman, how about you walk around Washington DC or Dallas or Atlanta holding a sign that says “Jesus is a myth” and see what happens. And then head to Medina or Karachi or Gaza City and do the same thing with a corresponding sign about Islam. Afterwards, let’s compare results.

    Leon (79ca52) — 4/18/2017 @ 3:04 pm

    What do you think would happen in Douglas County, Georgia?

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pair-who-led-racist-attack-boy-s-party-sentenced-years-n726421

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  223. Leviticus how many NORTH Koreans are there in the U.S.?

    Leon

    Why not answer his question? It’s helpful for a discussion if it’s not always Trump’s fans interrogating everyone else. Gets a little tedious seeing pile on after pile on.

    If your answer is no, because you don’t think Koreans here have allegiance to the North Korean dictatorship, just say that. Do you then think that Japanese Americans had allegiance to the emperor of Japan?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  224. Tillman, here’s a clue for you:

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/what-it-looks-like-when-muslims-begin-to-take-over-their-host-nation/

    When Muslims arrive in a new land, in America and elsewhere, they are small in number and they keep to themselves. But as their numbers grow, they begin to make demands in their towns and cities that local customs change to accommodate their Islamic beliefs. They will protest and demand that restaurants stop serving bacon, they will run “street patrols” like they do in England harassing and attacking local women not wearing the Muslim hajib. At first, they are merely an annoyance, until their numbers grow, then they become a threatening mob capable of great destruction. The people of Luton in England have had their entire town taken from them by Muslim immigrants.

    WHEN MUSLIMS BEGIN TO ARRIVE IN LARGE NUMBERS, THEY ARE THERE TO SEIZE CONTROL OF THAT AREA
    Why do Muslims do this? Because their Qu’ran tells them to, in whatever host country they find themselves, to “claim that land” for their god Allah. […]

    Author Steve Tarani said during a presentation in Nashville that he has witnessed the alleged “no-go zones” — areas where police cannot enter — while shadowing a friend who serves on the Detroit Metro SWAT Police on a drive in Dearborn, MI. He described pulling up to one of the alleged Muslim-controlled areas:

    THE STREET SIGNS SUDDENLY WENT FROM ENGLISH TO ARABIC. THERE WASN’T A SINGLE ENGLISH WORD ON ANY SHOP OR ANY STREET SIGN. AND IN FACT, THESE LITTLE YELLOW SIGNS WERE POSTED ALL ALONG THE EDGES. JEREMY SAID TO ME, ‘THIS IS IT. WE DON’T GO PAST THIS LINE.’ AND I SAID TO JEREMY, ‘WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU GUYS ARE DETROIT METRO. YOU’RE THE SWAT TEAM. YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE YOU WANT. WHAT IF YOU GET A CALL OVER THERE?’ HE SAID ‘THIS IS IT, IT’S HAZARDOUS FOR OUR TEAM IF WE GO PAST THIS LINE.’

    I HAVE SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES, WITNESSED IT IN THE BACKSEAT OF A CAR AND IT IS FOR REAL. NO-GO ZONES EXIST IN THE UNITED STATES.

    DEARBORN, MICHIGAN IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE THAT THESE SETTLEMENTS EXIST. THEY ARE SPREAD OUT OVER THE COUNTRY IN VARIOUS CITIES. THERE’S AN ESTIMATE OF OVER 5,000 KNOWN TERRORIST CELLS IN THE UNITED STATES. HOWEVER OUR MOST PERSISTENT AND SIGNIFICANT THREAT, RIGHT NOW, TO US HERE TODAY THIS MORNING, IS THE HOMEGROWN VIOLENT EXTREMISTS.

    In 2013 alone, 117,423 migrants from Muslim-majority countries were permanently resettled within the United States— having been given lawful permanent resident status. Additionally in 2013, the United States voluntarily admitted an extra 122,921 temporary migrants from Muslim countries as foreign students and foreign workers as well as 39,932 refugees and asylees from Muslim countries.

    To put these numbers into perspective, this means that every year the U.S. admits a number of Muslim migrants larger in size than the entire population of Des Moines, Iowa; Lincoln, Nebraska; or Dayton, Ohio

    As for the country being a living hell, thankfully we have competent law enforcement. Here is a list of terrorist attacks that were stopped:

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/big-list-of-muslim-terror-attacks-in-u-s-since-911/

    50. And that’s only to 2015, and the ones known to us civilians.

    But hey, what do I know? Maybe white supremacists are the real threat in America

    Leon (79ca52)

  225. “OBAMA’S LEGACY: ‘I hate white people’: What man screaming ‘Allahu Akbar’ told police after he was arrested for randomly shooting dead three people on the streets of Fresno, California. “Kori Ali Muhammad, 39, was arrested shortly after the rampage. His victims were all white males apparently chosen at random.”

    All that eliminationist rhetoric from Democrats is having an effect on the weak-minded.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/262832/

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  226. “What do you think would happen in Douglas County, Georgia?”

    Oh yeah, a couple of redness doing drive by threats. Totally the same as Mr Allah Akbar in Fresno today.

    Leon (79ca52)

  227. “Rednecks”

    Leon (79ca52)

  228. Oh yeah, a couple of redness doing drive by threats. Totally the same as Mr Allah Akbar in Fresno today.

    Leon (79ca52) — 4/18/2017 @ 4:03 pm

    How about Olathe, Kansas?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/28/suspect-in-kansas-bar-shooting-of-indians-apparently-thought-they-were-iranians/?utm_term=.846d77b677db

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  229. But hey, what do I know? Maybe white supremacists are the real threat in America

    Leon (79ca52) — 4/18/2017 @ 3:57 pm

    I’m glad we agree

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  230. bill oreilly used to do leer on me and call me “hot chocolate”

    i wanna go to hawaii for christmas

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  231. Dustin, if we went to war with N. Korea and the government decided to monitor the N. Koreans in the country, whatever it took to do that, I wouldn’t be upset about it. Having said that, I don’t think the situation is really comparable to WII and the very real possibility of a Japanese invasion of our west coast.

    Bottom line, in war I expect the government to do what it can to protect the country. I’m old school like that.

    Leon (79ca52)

  232. Interesting to see the Muslim fan here. The usual weak arguments.

    Mike K

    The usual I see is two sides of an argument that hate eachother, one side asking questions, the other side refusing to answer, and absolutely no interest in an actual discussion. This is just a yard for tossing insults.

    Dave, saying “You’re a white supremacist!!!!” at the drop of a hat is absurd. You don’t even know these people are white, let alone racial supremacists. If someone actually conveys racism, and it has happened here a few times, by all means call it out. I have and will. But if someone is concerned about racism in one direction, that doesn’t mean they are the most egregious evil in the other direction. Your efforts in this thread don’t come across as someone trying to have a discussion. I think part of the reason is the Trump fans are piling on and not engaging you seriously.

    Oh yeah, a couple of redness doing drive by threats. Totally the same as Mr Allah Akbar in Fresno today.

    Leon

    Oh yeah, a couple of terrorists flying planes into a building, totally the same as nuking Hiroshima. Just because we can always bigger fish eachother doesn’t mean white racism isn’t a real issue too. I’ve always thought the ISIS style bad guys really want to stoke as much racism from good folks as they can, with as much fear and paranoia as possible. We see this fear from Joseph Farah (he may not be afraid, but he is happy to profit from it). The truth is that most Koreans, most Muslims, most whites, most folks in general, particularly in our country, are good people who want to keep food on the table, a roof over their heads, and prosper. They aren’t consumed with a need to kill anybody. That’s just not normal. Something peculiar has been a problem in the middle east for centuries that has created a culture of violence and desperation… I actually think Islam is not the cause at all, but it’s definitely involved of course today.

    The honest truth is that we don’t need to run around breaking eachother down into demographics. We should only be accountable for our actions. If Leviticus asked me if we could intern Koreans today, I’d say no, because the government has no compelling reason to know if someone is Korean.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  233. dole says it’s the biggest!

    i need to go see

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  234. Dustin, if we went to war with N. Korea and the government decided to monitor the N. Koreans in the country, whatever it took to do that, I wouldn’t be upset about it. Having said that, I don’t think the situation is really comparable to WII and the very real possibility of a Japanese invasion of our west coast.

    Bottom line, in war I expect the government to do what it can to protect the country. I’m old school like that.

    Leon (

    I think that’s a reasonable answer and I appreciate you providing it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  235. In good news, at least, the guy who did that murder on Facebook killed himself.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  236. Well gee Dave, maybe you should move to a Muslim country where you will be safer. Clearly this one doesn’t meet your expectations.

    Leon (79ca52)

  237. In good news, at least, the guy who did that murder on Facebook killed himself.

    Davethulhu (

    Amen to that. Great police work with a PIT and a chase, and great work by citizens who noticed him and were brave enough to try to hold him in McDonalds to get help.

    Thank God no one else was hurt. Blows my mind to contemplate this kind of evil.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  238. Well gee Dave, maybe you should move to a Muslim country where you will be safer. Clearly this one doesn’t meet your expectations.

    Leon (79ca52) — 4/18/2017 @ 4:19 pm

    I don’t feel unsafe. I’m not the one pissing my pants out of fear of a terror attack.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  239. great work by citizens who noticed him and were brave enough to try to hold him in McDonalds to get help.

    The McDonalds crew deserve a medal for being heads up enough to notice the guy and smart enough to find a safe way to try to delay him.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  240. “…[T]hankfully we have competent law enforcement…” Haha! Yeah, the terrorists are law-abiding citizens and there are no soft targets left. Right.

    Tillman (a95660)

  241. Dustin, are you making a moral equivalence between 9/11 and Hiroshima?

    If so, it’s a poor one. 9/11 is more like Pearl Harbor, and nuking Japan was estimated to SAVE a million JAPANESE lives, as well as a hundred thousand American that an invasion would have cost.

    Leon (79ca52)

  242. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly Tuesday called marijuana a “gateway drug” and vowed his agency will uphold federal laws against its possession, a sterner message than he delivered on the topic just last week.

    another ex-military weirdo hopelessly and embarrassingly out of touch with real life

    you’d think people would learn better than to appoint these bozos to things

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  243. this is how corrupt and slimy the Comey FBI is:

    The FBI last year used a dossier of allegations of Russian ties to Donald Trump’s campaign as part of the justification to win approval to secretly monitor a Trump associate, according to US officials briefed on the investigation.

    and Meghan’s grotesquely cowardly daddy was licking this poop up like it was ice cream in a sugar cone

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  244. “French Police Arrest Two Men Pledged to ISIS Just Before a Planned Attack and Possible Assassination of French Presidential Candidate
    —Ace

    One of the possible presidential-candidate targets seems to be Francis Fillon, Les Republicanes’ candidate, who’s not much of a threat to win the race mostly due to his wife being caught in some kind of no-show-job-for-a-paycheck scandal. I think he’s in fourth place, after the pro-EU socialist Macron, the FN’s Le Pen, and a far-left guy leading the umbrella parties of the left (Communists, etc.) named Melachon, who’s anti-EU. But very far left.

    The other possibility is Le Pen, who planned on holding a rally in Marseille (where these terrorists were based) tomorrow.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/369355.php

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  245. They’re gonna need a bigger moat.

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  246. these obscure islamic republics, it’s getting really hard to tell one from the other

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  247. “. I’m not the one pissing my pants out of fear of a terror attack.”

    No, you’re the one crapping yourself over the KKK coming to get ya.

    Leon (79ca52)

  248. Dustin, are you making a moral equivalence between 9/11 and Hiroshima?

    If so, it’s a poor one. 9/11 is more like Pearl Harbor, and nuking Japan was estimated to SAVE a million JAPANESE lives, as well as a hundred thousand American that an invasion would have cost.

    Leon

    It was a sarcastic remark meant to convey a lack of seriousness, but I agree nuking Japan saved lives and was completely justified. Even on a moral level, given what the Japanese government was doing in that war (something we do a poor job of remembering).

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  249. they were very small nuclear bombs

    they really just got a taste

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  250. The far-left finally found a religion they could empathize with. Radical Islam and the far-left hate the USA and all it stands for.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  251. we’re gonna need moar sharks

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  252. they were very small nuclear bombs

    they really just got a taste

    happyfeet

    They were like over ten thousand MOABs though. It was a brutal thing to do, but this was a brutal war against an absolutely evil enemy. If we still fought wars like this, for better or worse, we wouldn’t have the problems we currently do with Iran, North Korea, or Russia.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  253. we’re kinda sucky at the war thing anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  254. More like 1,400 MOABs, I think.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  255. I don’t feel unsafe. I’m not the one pissing my pants out of fear of a terror attack.
    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/18/2017 @ 4:24 pm

    I don’t think anyone here is “pissing their pants out of fear of a terror attack”, do you? Or do you just think it’s stupid for us “little people” who don’t know no better to be concerned over the security of our nation and the safety of our loved ones?

    I realize that you’re a well educated privileged white guy David and I’m just a dumb little Christian but I was in Vietnam so a few muzzies don’t bother me. But I don’t want my family bombed at a Marathon, or my neighbors shot down at a night club by radical islamists that have no business being here. We are in enough jeopardy from our own criminals we don’t need to import Holy Warriors from the middle east especially when they have the wealth and wherewithal to take care of their own damn problem.

    https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16508528_879282588878987_8688476846571938953_n.jpg?oh=bde912c5a6ddbdbfbada48c4e3cf7798&oe=59438B70

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  256. who’d wanna have 1,400 MOABs dropped on them when one lil nuclear bomb would do the trick just fine

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  257. 259.we’re kinda sucky at the war thing anymore
    happyfeet (28a91b) — 4/18/2017 @ 5:09 pm

    Don’t blame me happyfeet, I had 79 confirmed kills in Vietnam and I’m positive the total is double that. I did my part and sent a lot of commies to meet Stalin.

    BRW David, my war name in Nam was “Muffin”. That’s because after a particularly contentious firefight when I was walking back to a village a guy looked at me and said: “Man, you ain’t ‘fraid of nuffin'”. So they started calling me “Nuffin” and that degenerated into Muffin. So don’t worry your little head about me being afraid of terrorists. I’m not.

    https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16508856_10211190419573084_5086516239944727351_n.jpg?oh=64b8a011863649d9fbd851de15cf7453&oe=59075B75

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  258. These damn white Christians!

    News is just coming across the wires that a man, Kori Ali Muhammad, yelled “Allahu Akbar” after a shooting spree leaving three dead, in what appears to be a racially motivated shooting.

    FOX News reports:

    Three people were killed after a man went on a shooting spree in downtown Fresno, California on Tuesday before he was tackled and taken into custody, police said.

    Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said officers have taken Kori Ali Muhammad, 39, into custody in connection to the shootings. Dyer said Muhammad went by the nickname “Black Jesus” and shouted “Allahu Akbar” as police tackled him to the ground.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yepN9qyAX8w/WPaldR54tvI/AAAAAAABIgM/Xe8EOINKoMoh_klAlHBJDM0eRoru7cRKwCLcB/s1600/1%2B1%2Bshooter-1000×640.jpg

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)

  259. Don’t look now but… ‘U.S. Carrier Group Isn’t Nar North Korea After All.’ – CNN banner. As the ‘CIC’ boasts of ‘an armada’ and ‘subs’ off NK coast.

    Strawberries for dessert tonight, Captain– with CoolWhip on top, just for you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  260. @265. typo- ‘Near’

    ____

    Don’tlook now but… “Exit talks underway at Fox” … Bye-bye Billo.

    “Caution!”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  261. Show me a link where you are making that argument at the Huffpo, or the New York Times, CBS news, Washington post; anywhere the mainstream Democrat advocates of unlimited State power allow you to speak.

    When any of the above are advocating internment, I’ll be glad to speak against them.

    Davethulhu (fab944) — 4/18/2017 @ 10:57 am

    That makes you a Jehovah’s Witness, or at least the Islamic version. Going door to door warning Republicans from committing the sins of Democrats, while you count down to the appointed hour that Islam takes over.

    Be sure and avoid Christmas gatherings, Easter mass, nightclubs, street malls, Fourth of July fireworks, or tall buildings, and you’ve nothing to fear from the land shark.

    No thanks dipstick.

    Take your Watchtower pamphlet litter with you

    papertiger (c8116c)

  262. no it’s not your fault

    it’s more just a general lack of commitment to sparkle motion i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  263. ‘Don’t look now but…’ ponder this:

    Spicey gets dumped as Press Secretary— replaced by: Bill O’Reilly.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  264. I disagree, happy.

    The love – fear continuum is out of balance.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  265. Red kryptonite turns Supergirl into a Democrat. Season 1 episode 16

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5238510/?ref_=ttep_ep16

    Don’t doubt me.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  266. In the fallout from the red kryptonite poisoning, Supergirl’s alterego Kara goes on an eating binge.
    Season 1 episode 17
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5238950/?ref_=tt_ep_nx

    Explains a lot. Well written. Real world application.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  267. That’s happening with all kryptonian iterations going back to gerald Christopher in the 80s, we’ll ignore superman 3, nust like galactica 1980

    narciso (0490b7)

  268. Good point. Don’t know why I never noticed before. Big time Smallville fan

    papertiger (c8116c)

  269. But fear shark attacks in Peoria.

    BY: Adam Kredo
    April 18, 2017 12:08 pm

    Federal authorities have open investigations into radical Islamic terrorists in all 50 states, according to the Department of Homeland Security, which is warning that the threat of terrorism in the United States has reached an all time high with radicalized individuals in the country plotting to strike “each and every single day.”

    The FBI has “open terrorist investigations in all 50 states,” according to DHS Secretary John Kelly, who disclosed on Tuesday that there have been at least 37 “ISIS-linked plots to attack our country” since 2013, a number that shows no signs of diminishing.

    Rev.Hoagie® (785e38)


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