Patterico's Pontifications

3/28/2017

They Told Me If I Didn’t Vote for Trump…

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:09 pm

They told me if I didn’t vote for Trump, nothing would be done about ObamaCare, and the President would be happy about it — and they were right!

UPDATE: Dave had this exact same joke first.

[Cross-posted at The Jury Talks Back.]

129 Responses to “They Told Me If I Didn’t Vote for Trump…”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (4af482)

  2. They also told you the presidency would be dogged by criminal investigations and that populist pork barrel politics would jeopardise America’s fiscal future.

    Their analysis is hard to fault.

    Bob (ec5d2f)

  3. link?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. It’s cool it’s cool. Obamacare doesn’t really matter.

    Spent a week in the pacific northwest. First time I’ve ever been there. America is incredibly beautiful. We’re lucky to have this.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  5. Colonel’s gonna tell his buddy Insta-Glenn you are borrowing his schtick!

    urbanleftbehind (98f7a3)

  6. Frequently wrong, never in doubt.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  7. Then again the bizarro people’s repubic:

    http://www.threepennyreview.com/samples/tharsing_sp17.html

    narciso (45b9fc)

  8. Link?

    Link.

    Patterico (4af482)

  9. Sorry the kangaroo couch with extra pouches

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/28/two-activists-who-filmed-undercover-videos-of-planned-parenthood-charged-with-15-felonies/

    Wait for the calexit, and move to the central valley

    narciso (45b9fc)

  10. So, you would have preferred Hillary?

    ropelight (734d75)

  11. On Monday Trump rescinded three Obama regulations, one regarding federal meddling in state and local education matters, another stripped away rules requiring the BLM to consider climate change when making land use policy, and the third eliminated the “blacklist rule” for federal contractors.

    Today, President Trump signed orders eliminating 6 different climate change-related policies.

    But, yeah, let’s focus on this tweet. Tweets are the bottom line, after all.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  12. Compared to all that, ObamaCare is nothing, right? Glad you have your eye on the ball.

    Patterico (4af482)

  13. To do nothing is sometimes a good remedy. – Hippocrates

    But what did he know, anyway.

    “Calling Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine, Doctor Howard…” – [The Three Stooges] ‘Men In Black’ 1934

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. Glenn Reynolds? Is that you, professor?

    School Marm (5999c1)

  15. Not even a hat-tip or a cross-link. That’s what I get for being five days ahead of the curve…

    Patrick, you are cold.

    (But I agree with you, obviously…)

    Dave (711345)

  16. 12.So, you would have preferred Hillary?

    No. What the #neverTrumpers are saying is that the primary campaign will continue until either Trump expires or a democrat finally wins like they wanted all along.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  17. nothing would be done about ObamaCare

    oh my goodness you’re doing confuse on me

    just last month you were mad at President Trump cause of the big substantive things what he was doing about Obamacare

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  18. This is the go to Maxine waters website. She knows whose on her team.

    mg (21de20)

  19. Dustin- the Olympic national rainforest is one of the most beautiful places I have ever been. Camping on the coast is special.

    mg (21de20)

  20. I heard that the HHS Secretary has a way to shut that whole thing down.

    Pinandpuller (e6702d)

  21. Yes administrative adjustments will be necessary for now.

    narciso (54b108)

  22. I’m happy. A failure for the Trump/GOP Crime Combine is more likely than not to be a win for America.

    No? How do you Trumpkin buttboys feel about your ISP provider, such as ATT and Comcast, having the right to track your every click on the internet down to every character you type here and there’s nothing you can do about it except stay off the internet? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/03/28/the-house-just-voted-to-wipe-out-the-fccs-landmark-internet-privacy-protections/?utm_term=.7b89236f799d

    nk (dbc370)

  23. mg, some of the best hunting I’ve experienced has been on
    Weyerhauser land.

    http://weyerhaeuser.com/timberlands/recreational-access/northwest-region/

    Weyerhaeuser recreational permits and leases include access for hunting, camping, fishing, hiking, mountain biking, horseback riding, berry and mushroom picking, and more. We offer a variety of permits and exclusive leases across our Northwest landscape.

    http://www.weyerhaeuser.com/sustainability/environment/certification/forest-certification/

    One hundred percent of our timberlands are certified to sustainable forestry standards:

    Ask me what this means.

    Oddly this is one area I don’t fault the USFWS.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  24. My cousin who lives south of Tacoma hunts that land. Stunning area. The Cascades are a hidden gem, Steve57.

    mg (21de20)

  25. mg, I am sure your cousin knows how lucky he is.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  26. No doubt about it, nk. The republicans are stooges for big business. Pathetic. Wish I could send nurse Ratchet after them.

    mg (21de20)

  27. He does Steve57. He is old school. Black powder. We share a 300 Savage from our grandpa. He flys a old canvass two seater.

    mg (21de20)

  28. Although beautiful that’s hard territory. Elk? Blacktail?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  29. One of the old Savages with the rotary magazine?

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  30. Not the later Savages. With the box magazine.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  31. So brazenly stupid. No wonder Biggie’s killer still roams the streets.

    Blah (44eaa0)

  32. Well, duh! I surmise if you inherited from your grandpa, it’s got the rotary magazine.

    Not that the later Savage 99s in .308 are to be despised. But no finer round than than the .300 Savage has been devised.

    It was, and remains, and will always be, the best lever gun. Ever.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  33. When “conservatives” make common cause with Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer in making misleading, banal comments to insult POTUS then you pretty much have to assume they are birds of a feather.

    Worse yet the lack of seriousness in the commentary is ironic given one of the main charges against POTUS is his lack of probity and intellectual honesty. I find great humor and delight in seeing normally reasoned folks descend into madness because their guy did not win. It is like a Darwinian test for one’s emotional stability.

    We are going rightwards. Thank god for that. Wish it were “someone else” but not sure “someone else” would have had the chops to say what need to be said to actually win an election. So as the saying goes “ya que estas montado en el burro, sigue dandole palos.”

    Blah (44eaa0)

  34. Also, you mentioned he hunts with black powder.

    Good on him.

    If I can’t get close enough I don’t deserve it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  35. one of the main charges against POTUS is his lack of probity and intellectual honesty

    Make that
    Lack of probity
    Lack of intellect
    Lack of any kind of honesty
    And you’ll be right.

    nk (dbc370)

  36. Blah @36. we were only kidding. I wish not. But there it is.

    We suck. The Republican party.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  37. When “conservatives” make common cause with Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer in making misleading, banal comments to insult POTUS then you pretty much have to assume they are birds of a feather.

    A lie repeated often around here: those who don’t support Trump are just like Clinton, Pelosi, and Schumer. The Trumpeteers refuse to accept the fact that it’s possible for someone to support none of them. But intellectual honesty has never been a strong suit for them.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  38. nk,

    At least the President was smart enough to give the assignment to promote trade protectionism to Goldman Sachs alumni Cohn and Mnuchin. Nothing says MAGA like Goldman Sachs. I sure hope he also tasks them with the Great Wall of Trump project.

    Rick Ballard (782882)

  39. Yes rotary. Elk. Our grandpa shot a. Carabou in Alaska in 1930’sand it’s still hanging inmydads den. Excuse the writing Steve57 I’m a fadinginandout. Total hip replacement a few days ago.

    mg (21de20)

  40. President Trump declined an invite to toss out the National’s first pitch on Opening Day.

    No surprise.

    Russians play soccer. Not baseball.

    “Can’t anybody here play this game?” – Casey Stengel

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. Bet the Commie doesn’t like apple pie, either.

    The real reason is that he could not throw the ball all the way to the plate (assuming that his stubby little fingers could get a grip on it in the first place), and if he tried he’d fall flat on his face.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. The interior secretary was heard to say some of the Wall would have to be built entirely in Mexico because “we dont want to cede the Rio Grande”. http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/326292-interior-secretary-on-wall-were-not-going-to-cede-rio-grande-to

    I cringe at a lot of Tancredo-speak–essentially the Beta test of Steve King, but Tom had it right when he confronted a reluctant landowner in Laredo with the following retort: “How about if we built the wall North of your city?”

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  43. Meanwhile the grapevine seems to be back in business.

    narciso (395960)

  44. 44… new writers needed… inquire within..

    Colonel Haiku (6b7575)

  45. 43… team owner on record saying he didn’t want Trump on the mound.

    Colonel Haiku (6b7575)

  46. “Are just like” and “find common cause” are two different things, Chuck.

    Colonel Haiku (6b7575)

  47. Trump should actually throw out the first pitch for the Miami Marlins – the closest team to the true White House.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  48. The grapevine was a network of center right commentators to defamed Anwar Ibrahim on Malaysia’s dime:

    narciso (395960)

  49. 48, 43: I could see Dusty Baker being the main culprit in that decision out of a concern troll allegiance to Rendon or Espinoza. Also, why risk someone “missing” and taking out Bryce Harper or Max Scherzer?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  50. Remember sami Al arian apparently Georgetown’s Dora campus is a little amnesiac.

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. nk,

    Is this a good time to quote Aristotle on what makes a successful and effective leader of men?

    Persuasion is achieved by the speaker’s personal character when the speech is so spoken as to make us think him credible. We believe good men more fully and more readily than others: this is true generally whatever the question is, and absolutely true where exact certainty is impossible and opinions are divided. This kind of persuasion, like the others, should be achieved by what the speaker says, not by what people think of his character before he begins to speak. It is not true, as some writers assume in their treatises on rhetoric, that the personal goodness revealed by the speaker contributes nothing to his power of persuasion; on the contrary, his character may almost be called the most effective means of persuasion he possesses. 

    Two bad leaders running for office didn’t give us much choice, but we had no control over who the Democrats nominated. We did have a voice in who the GOP nominated. We still have a voice when it comes to who we elected.

    DRJ (15874d)

  52. DRJ, it’s good to get to the real heard of what’s wrong with Trump being president.

    If you want to channel Bannon for a second, I guess there’s some conservative value in having a complete degenerate to reduce our faith and dependency on government, so we instead take care of our families and our problems ourselves. If I realistically thought that would be the outcome I would be happier about it.

    Unfortunately the GOP really has redefined itself and I think the long term harm is going to be apparent for a generation or more.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  53. I think the heart of the matter is that far too many Americans don’t believe any political leaders anymore. Maybe they have good reasons to feel that way but it doesn’t help when the only choices are knowing, unapologetic liars. There is no virtue in that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  54. There is a Third Way… see Bill Clinton for teh details.

    Colonel Haiku (6b7575)

  55. 4. Dustin (ba94b2) — 3/28/2017 @ 9:28 pm

    Spent a week in the pacific northwest. First time I’ve ever been there. America is incredibly beautiful. We’re lucky to have this.

    And lucky, maybe also, that an earthquake hasn’t destroyed a lot of teh forests in the OAcific Northhwest, like it did in the year 1700.

    Nobody know how long it will be till the next great earthquake in the Pacific Northwest, ahich should be bigger than the big one in California, (and they only realized the problem a few years ago) but it was a good thing for you to see it before the earthquake. If the earthquake coms soon, you could consider yourself lucky.

    You know, all the earthquakes, California, Pacific Northwest, Missouri, and Boston, New York and Virginia, might all hit at about the same time.

    Sammy Finkelman (8a31dc)

  56. I don’t understand your comment, Colonel, unless your point is that there have been less virtuous Presidents. If so, the current nominees did their best to get to the bottom of the virtue list.

    DRJ (15874d)

  57. 56. DRJ (15874d) — 3/29/2017 @ 12:23 pm

    56.I think the heart of the matter is that far too many Americans don’t believe any political leaders anymore. Maybe they have good reasons to feel that way but it doesn’t help when the only choices are knowing, unapologetic liars.

    There are also sheer incompetents, who don’t know how to argue, like Jeb Bush.

    Sammy Finkelman (8a31dc)

  58. Freedom of Choice. This administration is what will be in place for at least the next four years, barring impeachment or calamity. Trump/Pence were elected. Clinton/Leprechaun were not. America’s working class has spoken. There will be things/actions/policies we won’t agree with, but – hopefully – they will be offset by same that we will find more to our (as Americans) liking. We’re barely two months in.

    Colonel Haiku (6b7575)

  59. it doesn’t help when the only choices are knowing, unapologetic liars. There is no virtue in that.

    DRJ

    Right. Both sides had a similar argument: the other candidate is a monster and we must focus on our fear of that monster. Any criticism of a favored candidate was interpreted with extreme hostility. “Oh, so you’re a fan of the other side’s monster? MONSTER LOVER!!!!”

    It was a deliberate mission to destroy accountability for the most powerful post in the free world. Even today, long after the election is over, all we hear from Trump’s fans is about how bad Hillary is. How is that relevant to anything?

    There are also sheer incompetents, who don’t know how to argue, like Jeb Bush.

    Sammy Finkelman

    I wasn’t a huge fan of Jeb, but for a RINO he didn’t do a bad job running Florida.

    I don’t see any reasonable argument that Bill Clinton was less virtuous than Donald Trump, a man who has boasted about his unwanted sexual groping of women, screwing over people in business, and shamelessly smeared the Cruz family (and Ted Cruz as a liar, for no explicable reason). If Bill Clinton acted like Donald Trump for one day, Sean Hannity’s head would explode, but Trump has the (R) so he has to be defended.

    Personally, I no longer have any respect for the GOP and I want to see the party fail. I’ll never vote for anyone because of partisanship, so on those long ballots, if I don’t actually know the candidates and their takes on the issues, I’ll vote against the party in power, and then merrily go along with my day, accepting that substantial reform in government won’t be seen in my lifetime. That’s OK. Lots of people have enjoyed their lives in screwed up governments.

    Nobody know how long it will be till the next great earthquake in the Pacific Northwest, ahich should be bigger than the big one in California, (and they only realized the problem a few years ago) but it was a good thing for you to see it before the earthquake. If the earthquake coms soon, you could consider yourself lucky.

    This is actually not that surprising to me, because compared to Texas (even in the Hill Country where I live), the terrain is so much more active up there. Waterfalls, mountains, canyons, all covered in enormous trees. It was beautiful, but at least on a geological scale, obviously more was going on deep underneath. Of course more change would mean more interesting terrain (only it wouldn’t be fun to live there at the time). I really hope more folks like me, who are resigned that the GOP is now the party that makes Bill Clinton look like a decent, honest man, should enjoy America for what she still has that’s good.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  60. @58 Sammy

    And the New Madrid Fault that caused the Mississippi to flow backward and form Reelfoot Lake.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  61. @56. What’s not to believe??

    “I know we’re all gonna make a deal on healthcare. That’s such an easy one.”– President Trump, Tuesday, March 28, 2017

    Sounds like beluga.
    Smells like borscht.
    Tastes like… strawberries.

    “Take the tow line– defective equipment, no more, no less.” – Captain Queeg [Humphrey Bogart] ‘The Caine Mutiny’ 1956

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. The earlier refer

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. Every television series I start watching gets cancelled. Now it’s time after time. I found out this actually was a 1979 movie. It probably makes more sense someone would think of it them. And there was anovel, too?

    This show must have now the record for loose ends.

    http://ew.com/recap/time-after-time-season-1-episode-5/2/

    Guess who the first test subject was for Project Utopia? Remember, this is research initially from 1980 (at the latest). The answer is John Stevenson. The twists never stop, do they, Time After Time

    And it had had lots of little contradictions and stupidities maybe.

    They didn’t wrap it up so it could be a half good TV movie. They apparently shot a few more episodes.

    I wish when they cancel things they would wrap it up. Unless maybe the writers had no idea where they were going.

    There was some warning they might cancel it.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  64. Yes with David Warner as the ripper and Malcolm mcdowell as well.

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. Sorry Sammy, I whooshed right past “Missouri”.

    Pinandpuller (71f7a4)

  66. “54. but we had no control over who the Democrats nominated. We did have a voice in who the GOP nominated.”

    Yup, and the Republican voters chose Trump.

    Funny how so many people think that THEIR vote should decide the issue, and nobody else’s vote should count.

    The votes were taken, and your side lost. I know, I know — your guys should have been 50 points ahead, right?

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  67. After a while, the virtue signaling, touting of personal greatness, purity of essence and self-anointed arbiter of justice and such grows mind-numbingly tedious… https://youtu.be/k6p1Ck0ab80

    Colonel Haiku (6b7575)

  68. This is maddening:

    “Pro-Life Activists Who Used Standard Media Technique of Undercover Sting Video to Expose Planned Parenthood Fetal Tissue Trade Indicted on 15 Counts
    —Ace

    As Randy Barnett remarked (approximately), they told me if Trump were elected the machinery of the government would be turned against journalists, and they were right!

    Sean Davis notes that such sting videos are routinely made in California, particularly by animal rights groups who surreptitiously record slaughterhouse workers, who are never prosecuted. Indeed, their sting videos spur the state to investigate crimes the targets of their sting videos might have committed.

    David French’s link (the first one) notes that California caselaw has limited the law against unconsented recording of a conversation to situations in which the target could have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and has specifically ruled it did not apply in situations like the one we find here (strangers meeting in a public place with no expectation the other party will keep their conversations private, discussing business in a manner they’d discuss business with with any other potential business partner).

    But if you’re pro-life? Well then. Now the state is coming after you with everything it has.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/369065.php

    Colonel Haiku (6b7575)

  69. And Devin Nunes should proceed to tell Democrats and like-minded #NeverTrumpers to go Fvck themselves.

    That is all.

    Colonel Haiku (6b7575)

  70. Unpeople. Is the proper descriptor. Coronello.

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. But you had the medicis trained poodle, Richard burrow, playing pantomime horse

    narciso (d1f714)

  72. Burr as is under a saddle, the last episode went back to 1918, where stevenson tried to save his son, there was a Spanish novel called the map of time. Which followed a similar path.

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Remember she started on the Romney haircut beat

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/847094598136709120

    narciso (d1f714)

  74. Oh yes, narciso.

    This is CNN…

    “CNN “Debate:” Do You Agree That Obama Was Held to the Same Standard As Every Other President, Or Do You Agree That You’re a Dirty Racist
    —Ace

    I don’t see how it can be seriously — or even unseriously — contended that Obama wasn’t given an eight-year pass by the media partly owing to his race (and to be fair, his dogmatic progressivism), but apparently this is the sort of controversial racist heresy that gets you denounced on CNN.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/369067.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  75. Col – when do the republicans get some blame for the millions Issa and Gowdy wasted on a useless effort to convict Clinton and Obama for lying about Bengazi?

    mg (21de20)

  76. That’s inferred mg, judicial watch and guccifer did tube heavy lifting

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/status/847227265419059200?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    narciso (d1f714)

  77. Advocating virtue may be annoying but it’s no worse than defending lack of virtue, and that never seems to get old for some. And as fred-2 points out, virtue was the loser in this election. But it need not be the loser in this Presidency unless Americans want it to be.

    DRJ (15874d)

  78. It’s easier to ignore virtue. Is that really what we want America to be? It isn’t what the Founders wanted and it isn’t what made America great, despite what Trump says.

    DRJ (15874d)

  79. 78… good question, mg… makes one wonder whether they had ever intended to be effective. But I question that dollar amount you are specifying. In any case, they definitely wasted a lot of time and energy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  80. Apparently, competent leadership, tenacity and a killer instinct are unobtainium in the Beltway.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  81. Surprise, ladies! No means yes.

    Ivanka officially joins administration as a Federal employee.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. The treehouse (I know) posited the notion didn’t want tie get at the heart of the matter, because it uncovered a bipartisan fusterclick, similar with the va, maverick was as much a part of this travismockasham, fast and furious, IRS, yadda yadda

    narciso (d1f714)

  83. @48. Links?

    Oh wait, that’s golf. He plays that. So do Russians.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. 81.It’s easier to ignore virtue. Is that really what we want America to be? It isn’t what the Founders wanted and it isn’t what made America great, despite what Trump says.
    DRJ (15874d) — 3/29/2017 @ 5:08 pm

    The Founders knew that by requiring perfect virtue they would never make a country so they compromised on slavery. NeverTrumpers don’t yet seem to realize the election is over and it’s time to do battle with the leftists and keep the hard-won power the Republicans gained.

    The inability to compromise for the greater good is not a virtue, it’s a flaw. The Founder’s realized nothing made by man is perfect. Including America.

    If you’re still stuck on NeverTrump even though he won you are with the enemy. If you’re mature enough to ignore his peccadillos for the good of the country you’re a patriot. It’s not rocket science. And it’s not theology. It’s politics.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  85. Narciso @67. You mean the 1979 movie. I missed that. Noether Steven H. Scheuer’s “Movies on TV” nor Leonard Malton’s Movie Guide mentioned that it was first a book. There was a sequel written 30 years later circa 2009.

    Many years ago (before, well before the 1980s) I saw “The Time Machine” o TV maybe on NBC, (actually made in 1960) and I read the book once or twice maybe. The movie had what the book did not – he stops off for asecond during World War II. They add things. That movie was remade in 1978 and in 2002. The 2002 movie was directed by H. G. Well’s great grandson.

    But this thing puts H.G Wells himself in it as a character. Maybe because the “Time Machine” I think, is written in the first person. It probably could only have been thought of around the 1970s – H.g. Wells was stll very famous but detaols were kind of vague. Of course for therecent series they moved the future from 1979 to 2017, except that are plott elements not yet revealed that seem to center around 1980. I don’t think that “Jane” getting her facts about 1980 – confusing it with “the 1980s” and getting who was president in 1980 wrong was deliberate. That was probably a mistake by the writers. She did actually speak French though in the last episode.

    Sammy Finkelman (8a31dc)

  86. Yes they revised the last film by making the main. Character a co temporary of wells, Alexander hardegen, the author of the original actually put our a sequel in 2010, the less said the better.

    narciso (d1f714)

  87. Character matters. A person with good character is likely to do good things even when he doesn’t know what he’s doing. A person with bad character will always tend to do bad things no matter what constraints you try to place on him.

    We’ve seen it with Trump, time, and time, and time, again. When the going gets tough for him, the slime rises to the surface. Always. Because that’s all he’s got.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. Trump is President. Holding him accountable is not NeverTrump.

    DRJ (15874d)

  89. Well the leacersip is what it is, haskell and mcturtle defused any strong g. Challenge to their position, are they merely fools or knaves

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. 87… it’s hard to understand, Hoagie. It’s narcissism gone amok… pernicious, soulless vanity.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. Preening puffery…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  92. There are some serious issues like tillerson keeping mull

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. Ratney, nourazadeh, all those who sold the Iran deal

    narciso (d1f714)

  94. Chuck S of N.Y. wins the gold medal in slime.

    mg (21de20)

  95. Tillerson will tour the world for a year on America’s dime, make new “friends” and resign.

    No William P. Rogers he. He’ll retire and consult using his newly made contacts for a fee for Exxon-Mobil.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. It’s not conservatives who are undermining Trump, Haiku, it’s everyone. Who are you going to blame now?

    DRJ (15874d)

  97. That’s a strawman, DRJ. I never contended conservatives were. No true conservative would cheer or add to the crap that Democrats are trying to pull on America on a daily basis.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. As mg would tell you hemmer provoked a macho grand reactionwith Carson that let to gov target, the first time around.

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. It points to a poorly designed plAN, that satisfied few.

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. emmer and carlson, much. Like o’donnell and Ross, miller and ruedrich, yadda yaffa

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. If you don’t blame conservatives, Haiku, what part of Hoagie’s comment 87 were you referring to in comments 93 and 94?

    DRJ (15874d)

  102. You realize my link is to a Congressman who says Trump threatened to give up on Republicans and look to the Democrats to complete his agenda, right? This is the President we are all supposed to get behind or we are traitors. Doesn’t that make Democrats the Patriots according to Hoagie, because Trump should get whatever he wants?

    DRJ (15874d)

  103. I don’t read your links, DRJ. That’s my loss.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  104. Good point. I will follow your lead.

    DRJ (15874d)

  105. In fact, I will go one better. Thank you.

    DRJ (15874d)

  106. I like Jordan and other members of the Freedom Caucus, DRJ, and I have few issues with them not supporting that poor excuse for healthcare legislation. That was an amateur piece of work all the way around, from Paul Ryan to the POTUS and his advisors. Inexcusably weak. It’s more the every day, petty BS that people serve up as a distraction that annoys me. This president is half a buffoon, but I knew that going in. But I do like most of who he has surrounded himself with and sincerely hope they can help guide him to do the right thing more often than not. Considering the alternative – who it would’ve been not who it could’ve or should’ve been – that’s as good as it’s going to get. I think the situation calls for pragmatism, not joining the morons across the aisle.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  107. That’ll work.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. Dave,

    You did have the joke first. I didn’t see it, though, promise.

    Will credit you nonetheless.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  109. UPDATE: Dave had this exact same joke first.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  110. NeverTrumpers don’t yet seem to realize the election is over and it’s time to do battle with the leftists

    Actually, I think the entire concept of nevertrumpers is the evidence of a lack of realization. Trump’s approvals are slipping into the thirties. Those who don’t like Trump aren’t “nevertrumpers”. they are just Americans. I’m not doing battle with the left. I’m just some guy living my life, occasionally talking politics and criticizing big government. Trump is far to my left and “doing battle” by bickering against Trump’s critics is neither thwarting the leftist or in any way helping the right.

    There’s absolutely no reason to stop criticizing the guy.

    and the fact that the election is long over actually is a big reason Trump’s fans can stop citing Hillary whenever Trump screws up. We’re not choosing between two equally ridiculous politicians anymore. It’s moot now. Time to hold trump up to his promises. And of course it’s also time to demand our congress do its job, and send Trump an Obama repeal bill to veto. I can think of literally no downside to it. If he signs it, great. If he vetoes, no harm down and now it’s clear where he stands, so we can primary him with even more good reasons.

    But why on earth do Trump’s fans give themselves heartburn that conservatives are criticizing Trump? What does tearing at the right accomplish? I thought you didn’t even like him, and supported him only for the sake of the election. Well, election’s over, my friend.

    Trump’s bashing of the freedom caucus is awful leadership. Truth is, had Trump changed tune and started being conservative, supporting conservatism when not forced to (like with Gorsuch) and lived up to the hype, I would be supporting Trump right now. Most conservatives would, despite his loathsome personal history. We’re not nevertrumpers. That’s the real joke. It’s really not that hard for Trump to win the right over. He has the opportunity every day, and instead he’s going to try to earn the support of democrats, like John Mccain or something.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  111. If you’re mature enough to ignore his peccadillos for the good of the country

    I know you mean well, but what good for the country are you referring to? Let’s pretend every Trump critic on the right suddenly forgot all about the childish stuff and the groping and the incest and the rest of that sort of thing. What gets better for the country now? Serious question, and I’m listening when you answer.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  112. Well the first thing they need to do is cancel that spring recess, because ‘steak knives are for closets, get cracking in that repeal bill, frankly shut out Haskell out of the negotiations

    narciso (636179)

  113. ‘But she said she was a witch’ sbirley you cant be serious.

    narciso (636179)

  114. The good thing about Obamacare going the full route to the pain, it’s liable to get so swollen and tender that the reality busts right on through past the placebo effect of giving the previously uninsured a phone number to a doctor’s office, that they can’t get an appointment with (after they’ve waded patiently through a swamp of busy signals, and transfers to unrelated departments).

    papertiger (c8116c)

  115. The good thing about Obamacare going the full route to the pain, it’s liable to get so swollen and tender that the reality busts right on through

    This is a good point. If the GOP doesn’t have the spine to undo it, at least they shouldn’t take credit for it with a BS repeal and replace like Trumpcare. That way when the pain comes, it’s blamed on the right people.

    The recent, failed plan was the worst of all worlds and surely had Obama grinning ear to ear. He keeps his mandate and the preexisting conditions coverage. He forfeits responsibility.

    Do it right or not at all.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  116. I don’t think we are anywhere near being done with this, especially because time is on the side of the repeal faction. A month from today, Ryan and his K Street cronies will have a weaker hand than they have today. And the month after that and the month after that, the same but worse. Ryan, himself, will be hitting the campaign trail for 2018 sometime soon and will be forced to defend the collapse of his plan (you may not want to call it Ryancare, but critical constituents back home will be calling it that). Ryan and his pals will have to make a deal. They’ll make it soon while they still have some leverage.

    Here’s my prediction: A month from now, we’ll be laughing about all this handwringing. In the mean time, the conservative EOs will continue to flow and Gorsuch will be on the court. I’m looking forward to a very good month.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  117. A month from today, Ryan and his K Street cronies will have a weaker hand than they have today. […] Ryan, himself, will be hitting the campaign trail for 2018

    He’s extremely popular in his district. After a concerted effort last year, he emerged strong. He has aspirations of moving up to the White House, so sure, he can be pressured by the masses, but he’s pretty secure.

    And I’m not sure that Trump’s plan, the one he’s going to work with democrats on, is going to be safe from Ryan. It’s kinda a mystery how popular it will be.

    : A month from now, we’ll be laughing about all this handwringing.

    I’m laughing now! a month from now, Trump could be at 90% approval for all I know. I have no insight into the future given I figured a nutcase like Trump had no chance at nomination or election, lol.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  118. @91. Holding him “accountable” for his actions was so difficult for his own father that for discipline he sent him to military school.

    This is a guy who has run a family business and never been accountable to anyone until he was forced to– by a parent, a bank, a court or a divorcing spouse. He’s gonna rollover 320 million people like JR ran Ewing Oil for a season or two.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  119. “THE HILL: How Obama’s White House weaponized media against Trump. “Regardless of how the government collected on Flynn, the leak was a felony and a violation of his civil rights. But it was also a severe breach of the public trust. When I worked as an NSC staffer in the White House, 2005-2007, I read dozens of NSA surveillance reports every day. On the basis of my familiarity with this system, I strongly suspect that someone in the Obama White House blew a hole in the thin wall that prevents the government from using information collected from surveillance to destroy the lives of the citizens whose privacy it is pledged to protect. The leaking of Flynn’s name was part of what can only be described as a White House campaign to hype the Russian threat and, at the same time, to depict Trump as Vladimir Putin’s Manchurian candidate.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/261185/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. But by all means, keep mincing around this.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. *YMMV

    *Your Mincing May Very

    Colonel Haiku (1a00eb)

  122. Doran is one of the sharpest minds in the national security field, so naturally he couldn’t get tenure at Princeton, now all this gossip is just that.

    narciso (476d8a)

  123. Dave had this exact same joke first.

    Actually this joke dates back at least to the mid-1960s: “They told me if I voted for Goldwater, [something about war or Vietnam] …

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley,_Jr. (it’s misattributed, although he may have said something similar a long time after it got going. A 2002 book review article in Reason said it made the rounds in 1966. And I kind of suspect that maybe it is really older than that and was applied to some earlier politician and election.]

    One version of the joke is here:

    http://www.winternet.com/~swezeyt/sumTimes/dayNothing/AAOldPolJokes.htm

    It’s not entirely accurate as the fear about Goldwater was mostly about nuclear war. The earkiest versions of the Goldwater joke may hae contained other things besides the Vietnam War.

    Sammy Finkelman (8a31dc)

  124. “BECKET ADAMS: In First Big Test of the Trump Era, Media Fails Miserably. “After months of post-election chest thumping about how they could not be cowed by the powerful, reporters have reacted with a mix of yawns and giggles after the State of California announced it would pursue criminal charges against two activists who went undercover and investigated Planned Parenthood’s practice of salvaging and distributing body parts scrounged from the remains of aborted fetuses.”

    Think of them as Democratic operatives with bylines and it all makes sense.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/261227/

    Colonel Haiku (fb7ea4)

  125. As messed up as Obamacare is. Ihave nothing but praise and high respect to the surgeon s, nurses, and physical therapists that replaced and our helping me with rehab. Going home to see my dogs. Oh my wife has been a saint as always

    mg (21de20)


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