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3/14/2017

“Client Copy”: Did Donald Trump Leak That Tax Return To Maddow?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:30 pm



Here’s a screenshot of the Trump tax form that Rachel Maddow showed on her Big Scoop show tonight:

Wait. Look at that closer. What does it say on the second page there?

“Client copy”?

client-copy

Yes. Client copy.

So. Either Donald Trump leaked this himself, or someone with a “client copy” did. Given that there appears to be nothing embarrassing about the return whatsoever, and the world is laughing at Maddow, my money’s on Trump being the leaker. It’s probably the most favorable return for his narrative in existence. So: he leaks it, hoping this will end the controversy for good — and change the subject from all this CBO/TrumpCare talk.

By the way, people seem to say Maddow was tricked somehow, but I am reliably informed that she said, several times, that Trump might have leaked this himself. (I wasn’t watching. My time is more valuable than that, thank you. I was making coconut curry shrimp instead. Yum!)

I like Norm MacDonald’s take (he is on fire tonight, you know):

Seems about right.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

121 Responses to ““Client Copy”: Did Donald Trump Leak That Tax Return To Maddow?”

  1. Yep.

    ‘Client Copy’… hilarious.

    But then, Maddow hasn’t been this excited since that sale on batteries at CVS.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  2. @1- postscript– watched her show– yes, in chatter w/Johnson ‘leaking it himself’ was an option discussed but really, just reading it with ‘client copy’ stamped on it rather than waving it around with orgasmic glee would have been wiser. And as you note, it is benign, favorable and adjusts the news cycle accordingly.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. How to Screw the Resistance by Rachel Maddow with a forward by Marshal Philippe Pétain.

    JVW (5de783)

  4. Really have to admire all the self-righteous tut-tutting about “violating the law” if they leaked it themselves…

    Trump and his sycophants are incapable of shame.

    Dave (711345)

  5. Really have to admire all the self-righteous tut-tutting about “violating the law” if they leaked it themselves…

    Nah, you’re here to act like a tool.

    JVW (5de783)

  6. It’s always fun when Maddow’s smugness comes back to bite her, even if the byproduct is making Ol’ Whazziz Name look good.

    JVW (5de783)

  7. Nah, you’re here to act like a tool

    Oh really?

    So, if you leak your own tax return to media, which is the premise of this thread by our host (is he also a tool?), it is perfectly above-board to turn around and accuse the media of violating the law by making it public?

    Dave (711345)

  8. “I wasn’t watching. My time is more valuable than that, thank you.”

    Roy Firestone school of blogging.

    Harkin (09a7e6)

  9. @7– Yeah. it’s a very Nixonian. Or maybe a John Miller move… or was that John Barron…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  10. It’s bupkis, just like the Russian revelations, but it amuses some apparently.

    narciso (8d0597)

  11. CNN takes Maddow to task for overhyping this, but there is also this:

    ‘The only news out of this is that the White House CAN release the President’s taxes, despite what campaign said…’

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/14/media/rachel-maddow-donald-trump-2005-taxes/index.html

    Caught in lie number 578? Or, lost count.

    Tillman (a95660)

  12. Planting fake stories, whether dezinformatsiya or komprodat, was developed into an art by the KGB. And they apparently trained him well, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. Yeah forget about the Brown acid in the manic and CNN green rooms.

    narciso (8d0597)

  14. @10. Well, bupkis and fresh batteries makes a Maddow shudder w/delight. Her show tonight is almost too funny to watch. Next broadcast she’ll reveal where Nosmo King got his stage name.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. There must be a better description of Norm MacDonald incessantly arguing with idiots than being “on fire”.

    Harkin (09a7e6)

  16. TMI man of mystery, it is a ritual crack up whereas cnn is earnestly dull.

    narciso (8d0597)

  17. Norm really doesn’t give a hoot sort of craig ferguson, but they give camelberts runny routine time to stink.

    narciso (8d0597)

  18. Because it’s a dialogue of the mad, example let me get this straight if you stop forcing people to buy a,product they can’t already afford to use, the system will collapse, Shirley they can’t be serious

    narciso (8d0597)

  19. Are there problems with this plan, probably it’s a crapshoot.

    narciso (8d0597)

  20. Trump may have tried the “shiny object” trick one time too many. The Democrats (other than Rachel Maddow) seem to have actually figured it out this time:

    Democrats urge one another not to get distracted by Trump’s taxes

    Dave (711345)

  21. I mean the fbi was going a goth band as a terror threat until someone pointed the improbability of the whole thing.

    In theory i’m not opposed to the fbi itilizing the internet of things, in practice they should be handed anything more dangerous than a spork.

    narciso (8d0597)

  22. I’m exaggerating a bit, but not by muchm

    narciso (8d0597)

  23. And Trump chum Hannity does a hit piece on ‘NBC jihad’ tonight.

    Coincidence…. of course.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. Apparently no one told puffington they are still looking for the pony.

    narciso (8d0597)

  25. Joe average is totally impressed that the Trumpmeister paid 40 fucking million in taxes.

    MadCow got rolled. Cloth eared bint.

    Fred Z (05d938)

  26. If SNL fails to parody this dumpster fire of journalistic incompetence, they’ll have lost the one microgram of credibility they had left.

    Which actor would be the best fit?

    Harkin (09a7e6)

  27. “DISPATCHES FROM AL CAPONE’S VAULT: All of Twitter breathes deeply into paper bag, searches for angle on Rachel Maddow’s tax return tweet.

    Also at MSNBC tonight, in mammoth case of projection, lack of self-awareness, or a yuuge quantity of chutzpah — Brian Williams Chastises White House for Creating ‘Alternative Universe.’

    UPDATE: Not surprisingly, Drudge is having fun tonight.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/259805/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. Now let’s talk about some of tillerson choice staff picks nourazeh, ratney and limpert, ay yay yay.

    narciso (8d0597)

  29. Nah, you’re here to act like a tool

    Oh really?

    Yeah really.

    Seemed like you were fishing for a second opinion.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  30. Seemed like you were fishing for a second opinion.

    So, if you leak your own tax return to media, which is the premise of this thread by our host (is he also a tool?), it is perfectly above-board to turn around and accuse the media of violating the law by making it public?

    Dave (711345)

  31. @7 Dave

    He didn’t sign a release. But then again IANAL.

    Pinandpuller (a7f4ec)

  32. He’s chumming for tuna.

    And they’re biting.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. If you actually read the return, Trump’s income after his various write-offs was $31 million, and the tax on that would have been $5 million. But due to the alternative minimum tax, his tax bill was $36 million before self-employment tax and $38 million after.

    SO the reports you read that his “income” was $150 million neglect his almost $120 million in deductions and write-offs. In fact, Trump paid MORE in TAX than his TAXABLE INCOME.

    Again, his tax rate on his taxable income was about 115%

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  34. @26 Harkin

    One thing I noticed about Scarjo’s parody of Ivanka is that, like Tina Fey, she’s more of a handsome woman than hot.

    For the role of Rachael Maddow I would nominate stand up comic and Redeye alum Joe Machi.

    Pinandpuller (a7f4ec)

  35. Yes, the tantrum from the left claiming that Trump set Maddow up began almost instantaneously, and reminded me greatly of the fact that there are left wing idiots *still* claiming that Dan Rather was set up by Karl Rove in 2004 with those phony documents. Even if they’re right, it amounts to a rather schadenfreude inducing case of “Fool you once, shame on me. Fool you twice, shame on you, and it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of corrupt idiots.”

    M. Scott Eiland (b16b32)

  36. Regardless of the provenance of the documents, Maddow’s own involvement was not orchestrated by Trump.

    The tax returns were sent to David Cay Johnston, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who wrote a biography chronicling Trump’s history of unethical and dishonest business and personal practices. It was Johnston’s decision to make them available to Maddow.

    Dave (711345)

  37. Tillerson leaving the press behind as he goes to Asia, is another thing for the x republican to have a tantrum over.

    mg (31009b)

  38. They don’t call her Rachel MadCow for nuthin’. Her Geraldo in Al Capone’s vault moment.

    Sea Writer (3674f1)

  39. In case you forgot, lefties are big talkers, slow or no payers…

    https://heatst.com/politics/the-place-for-tax-woes-nine-msnbc-personalities-had-tax-liens-filed-against-them/

    Colonel Haiku (94464c)

  40. 37, whoever had Rex in the “Et Tu ______ ” pool for today has to pay up.

    urbanleftbehind (c25322)

  41. too much sundance is bad for the skin

    mg (31009b)

  42. Well it’s like ointment,

    narciso (0be537)

  43. 32- “He’s chumming for tuna.

    And they’re biting.”

    He might be chumming for tuna but last night he hooked a flounder.

    Harkin (09a7e6)

  44. Question for NY’ers. Some states require a copy of the federal 1040 when filing state returns. What about NY?

    crazy (d3b449)

  45. Seeing that NBC was not barred from that one presser like several other “liberal” news outlets, I get the feeling the President is merely utilizing the gifts of his Apprentice tenure. NBCNews has the look of a WWE heel or a Washington Generals outfit, especially after this Maddow flameout.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  46. 46, well not IL, they just ask for AGI as stated on line 37/38 of the Federal 1040.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  47. So does that make maddow Latoya or Gary busy?

    narciso (0be537)

  48. The media has been suborning a felony, urging people to steal these documents and then send them to their inbox anonymously, just like what they claim happened.

    Doesn’t that make them, as a network, accessories to felony?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  49. Any copy saved over the years probably would have been stamped “Client Copy” It doesn’t mean Trump leaked it. It means someone at the IRS didn’t. The IRS probably wouldn’t even still have the paper form anyway.

    Sammy Finkelman (3fda43)

  50. I didn’t watch that many episodes of the opprentice.

    narciso (0be537)

  51. Norm is indeed dropping the boom on NBC. Good on him.

    In an odd way, this kind of mouth-breathing coverage by a media organisation is comforting. It’s yet another sign that Americans really need to count their lucky stars.

    Years ago, I recall watching Colombian commentary on the escalation of the war with FARC and other groups. It was, as far as I’m aware, the greatest military offensive in the region since Bolivar.

    To hear the then-President and news media talk about it, you’d think they were talking about pension reform.

    JP (f1742c)

  52. Infinite beating with cluebat
    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=368852

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    Does anybody really believe that a reporter, who nobody ever heard of, “went to his mailbox” and found my tax returns? @NBCNews FAKE NEWS!

    3:55 AM – 15 Mar 2017

    Well, I do. That’s how the pages from the 1995 state tax returns got leaked to the New York Times and the New York Daily News (which didn’t run the story)

    I thought Trump had admitted the figures were right.

    Trump always does this with reporters whose reporting he doesn’t like: He minimizes their audience.

    If Trump himself had leaked it, he would have turned it over to a friendly reporter, like sean Hannity, and he also wouldn’t even even really be trying to deny it even if he didn’t officially release it – he’d let the reporter say he had an exclusive.

    Sammy Finkelman (3fda43)

  54. Trump and his sycophants are incapable of shame.

    I got this far. See you in a few weeks and see if the NeverTrump rage has dissipated yet.

    Mike K (f469ea)

  55. 55. Too many “evens” typed there.

    Maybe Trump is saying he doesn’t believe NBC was just given the returns, but they paid someone.

    Except that then that wouldn’t be fake news. Fake news is when sources or stories are invented.

    But then, “fake news” seems to have become one of his favorite pejoratives, and has very robably lost its original meaning with him, if it ever had it.

    Sammy Finkelman (3fda43)

  56. I got this far. See you in a few weeks and see if the NeverTrump rage has dissipated yet.

    Ah, don’t mind Dave. If the sun went nova, he’d be blaming it on Trump and hoping that it cost him the 2020 election. It’s how he rolls.

    (happyfeet would be talking about how the sun going nova was part of Trump’s master plan, so it all balances out).

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  57. Rick Wilson and Kurt eichenwald in that earlier link, snorfle.

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. Common now your going to deny that scarjo is hawt, that’s just silly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. 34-pin:
    “One thing I noticed about Scarjo’s parody of Ivanka is that, like Tina Fey, she’s more of a handsome woman than hot.”

    Haven’t really paid attention to ScarJo for at least 10 years but just from memory comparing her to T Fey is like comparing the Tetons to the Bonneville Salt Flats, and I’m not just talking topography.

    Harkin (09a7e6)

  60. I think the woman you like to _ _ _ _ vs. the woman you should marry might be a more apt comparison.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  61. @60 narciso

    I thought Scarjo was hot in The Avengers but next to Ivanka I’d want to give her a hand full of rolled oats. It’s the exact problem Tina Fey ran into.

    The gal who did Hillary went at it from the right direction.

    Pinandpuller (aeb9b4)

  62. interesting but not surprising. Mike K identifies with Trump sycophants.

    DRJ (15874d)

  63. CNN news room waiting for further update on Trump’s tax return. [jpg]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  64. Trump didn’t just leak it, he wants you to know he leaked it. He wants you to know he punked the country and is manipulative and dishonest. He thinks this shows great savvy.

    What’s sad is his defense force acting like they don’t 100% realize this.

    Since Trump is leaking his tax returns, why not release one from recent years? Such as last years? Something relevant like that, instead of such an absurd cherry pick.

    But really, I just wish we could stop talking about whatever it is Trump wants us to talk about, week in and out. It’s a recipe for long term problems that I’m sure Trump’s fans intend to just blame ‘nevertrumpers’ and Obama for. It will be sad to see these guys act like nothing happened on their watch.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  65. I think we can at least all agree that it’s pretty hilarious that Maddow has this much egg on her face though. Trump does seem to have all the wrong enemies… every patriot and intelligent conservative I’m aware of is against him at some level. But he also has all the right enemies too. Most nutjobs on the left are eager to take the bait. I guess that’s a silver lining?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  66. So how much does it cost to have a “CLIENT COPY” rubber stamp made?

    joepeh (dd9c6c)

  67. Dustin needs some help. With the proper tools and prep work it might be possible to spin the situation the way you want.
    Here you go. [jpg]

    You’ll have to bake it first for the product to have a firm surface. – That’s a pro tip!

    You are welcome.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  68. So how much does it cost to have a “CLIENT COPY” rubber stamp made?

    joepeh (dd9c6c) — 3/15/2017 @ 10:28 am

    I think it costs up to 3 years and $100k in fines.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  69. Dustin needs some help. With the proper tools and prep work it might be possible to spin the situation the way you want.
    Here you go. [jpg]

    You’ll have to bake it first for the product to have a firm surface. – That’s a pro tip!

    You are welcome.

    papertig

    You seem to be much more hostile to folks than you were even a week or two ago. Trump needed the conservatives to help him because he really is a lame duck right now. He lost the popular vote. No one trusts him. Every time a GOP leader tries to work with him Trump can’t resist trying to humiliate them, instead of building up the team. Most Americans think Trump is doing a bad job, and he’s so scandalized.

    The reason is because Trump tries to hard to win the narrative in the short term, with little stupid stunts like this tax thing. It may have changed the subject, but it was still a reminder of another of Trump’s lies (that he would give us his tax returns).

    “Will you release any of your tax returns for the public to scrutinize?” NBC’s Chuck Todd asked Trump in January 2016.

    “Well, we’re working on that now. I have very big returns, as you know, and I have everything all approved and very beautiful and we’ll be working that over in the next period of time, Chuck. Absolutely,” Trump replied.

    A few weeks later, Trump told the Today Show in February 2016 that he’ll release his tax returns “probably over the next few months.”

    Whatever is in there must be truly awful. Russian stuff? Who knows, but bad enough.

    I can see why you’re so mad! Cheer up and get used to Trump being bashed every day for the rest of your life.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  70. Great article narciso.

    This part:

    When the actual documents were forwarded to BuzzFeed News, warning signs quickly emerged. The 30-page contract was rife with spelling and grammatical errors, which seemed jarringly out of place for a roughly $340 billion company such as Exxon

    Sheesh.

    Rae Sremmurd (2fd998)

  71. I’m having a lot of fun, Dustin. An obscene amount. Almost too much. Thanks for your concern though.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  72. So how much does it cost to have a “CLIENT COPY” rubber stamp made?

    joepeh

    LOL. If this were a forgery, they would have said so. Trump has a CPA who already knows whether or not this is Trump’s copy or not. If the stamp wasn’t like that on the original copy, they would absolutely use this to push the ‘fake news’ narrative, which is absolutely critical to a corrupt politician like Trump.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  73. I’m having a lot of fun, Dustin. An obscene amount. Almost too much. Thanks for your concern though.

    papertiger

    Winning!

    But no, you’re not. You’re being nasty to a lot of folks lately. Nasty trolly people like to brag about the laughs, but we all know they are not actually having a good time.

    The concern is genuine and you’re welcome. Trust me, nothing we fight about in here will make any difference. Trump is a lesser sort of man and he’s not up to the job the way Obama or Bush were.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  74. people forget how important it is for Mr. Trump to succeed

    not me but other people

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. I’ve noticed something reading the comments here, the leftists hate the man, the conservatives hate the man’s policies. The leftists can’t seem to ever disagree with someone like Trump or Bush without demonizing the person not just disliking the policy. They can’t separate personality from policy which is why they actually HATE liberals like Bush and Trump even though they have more in common with them policy-wise than I’ll ever have and even though Bush was a squishy liberal and Trump is a life-long New York Democrat.

    It’s also what makes them the “useful idiots” Stalin was talking about. Since they don’t have the ability to hate the policy without hating the person they can never admit when their guy is wrong. Ever. It would make him evil to have to disagree because it would make the man bad too.

    Which is why when one of their own does the preposterous, they just nod and agree. Like this:

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lTreWy_aQ3U/WMah31PcCCI/AAAAAAABihc/YHMAa_F7xXk/rachael%252520dolezal%252527s%252520cat_thumb%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  76. We know Trump paid no taxes for many years due to one of his many business failures. And we know that this cherry picked tax return favors Trump’s narrative. We see the consistent talking points from his hard core defenders about how this cherry picked return proves Trump’s critics were liars, as though this return wasn’t from over ten years ago and really means anything.

    So what we really see is that Trump’s fans are motivated to lie to us.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  77. Hoagie, can you name a single commenter in this thread who calls himself a leftist?

    That’s one of the lamest of talking point from Trump’s fanclub because it’s almost always directed at Cruz’s supporters, who are of the right. It comes across as an effort to be dishonest, but I thought you were better than that and expected that kind of thing from the real trolly types like “Cruz Supporter”.

    Do you really think I’m a leftist? Do you really think Patterico is a leftist? If not, what the hell are you talking about? You served in the military so you know integrity is a fundamental value.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  78. Dustin you know I’m mean and nasty to you all the time.

    It’s not like this is your first day. Come on boobalah.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  79. Unlike chain Satan ring master of univision he didn’t evade taxes, more like Carlos slims depreciation as recent as 2014:
    https://spectator.org/the-hyperpartisan-washington-post/

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. Seriously though Dustin, I’ve been suffering from a bad tooth the last week.

    Didn’t realize it was bleeding through into my online demeanor. Good catch on your part.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  81. That was a freudian autocorrect btw

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. A bad tooth is a real son of a hillary.

    And no, papertiger, you’re actually not that bad 95% of the time. I never count you among the trolls. There’s a difference between being stubborn and being an a-hole.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  83. Norm’s best routine was pitching KFC. A Trump favorite.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. 80.Hoagie, can you name a single commenter in this thread who calls himself a leftist?

    That’s one of the lamest of talking point from Trump’s fanclub because it’s almost always directed at Cruz’s supporters, who are of the right.

    First off Dustin, I was a Cruz supporter and you should have known that. But that doesn’t matter now does it, since Cruz isn’t president?

    It comes across as an effort to be dishonest, but I thought you were better than that and expected that kind of thing from the real trolly types like “Cruz Supporter”.

    Now why would making an observation about leftists be an “effort to be dishonest”? So now you challenge my honesty because I made an observation you don’t like? That’s what I’m talkin’ about!

    Do you really think I’m a leftist? Do you really think Patterico is a leftist? If not, what the hell are you talking about? You served in the military so you know integrity is a fundamental value.

    Yes, No, and what does my being in the military have to do with an observation about leftists proclivities or are you also now questioning my “integrity” too?

    I was saying from my observations leftists seem to attack the person rather than the policy and your response was to intimate I am a Trump supporter as if the primary were still on followed by questioning my honesty and challenging my integrity as it relates to my military experience. At no time did you address the point to either support or refute it. You only attacked “the person”. I rest my case.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  85. The analogy posed by Hoagie’s dumbass photo, above, implies that “black” people and “white” people are different species. Keep crankin’ away with that critical thinking, Hoagie.

    Leviticus (3c6328)

  86. 83. papertiger (c8116c) — 3/15/2017 @ 11:29 am

    Seriously though Dustin, I’ve been suffering from a bad tooth the last week.

    Get the 800 mcg folic acid pills that pregenant women take.

    Take 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening until the pain goes away. It may take a night’s sleep todo it. Repeat if necessary.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  87. Hoagie, you’re super evasive! It was a pretty straightforward question. Who are the leftists in the thread you keep complaining about?

    You seem to be directing this accusation in bad faith, but I wanted to give you a chance to explain yourself. After all, if you are calling a bunch of Cruz supporters leftists, that’s not very honest.

    Your refusal to answer a straight question says a lot. The “I’m really a cruz supporter” thing that Trump’s defense force do is tiresome and irrelevant.

    and yes, you do come across as a Trump supporter, but I understand why you really really don’t want to be considered one. I wouldn’t either, and historically we’re going to see a lot of Trump’s supporters deny they ever were one. At least you’re smart enough to be ahead of the curve.

    Integrity is an important value. Stand by what you said before. Who are these leftists in this discussion thread, on this blog post? Trump fans are constantly using ‘you leftists’ when responding to people they know are conservatives, and it’s worth exploring what you were talking about, specifically.

    (not holding my breath that you’ll man up and answer)

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  88. 18. narciso (8d0597) — 3/14/2017 @ 9:18 pm

    example let me get this straight if you stop forcing people to buy a,product they can’t already afford to use, the system will collapse, Shirley they can’t be serious

    The CBO even assumes people goon Medicaid because of the mandate. Which is a little bit true, actually. People think they need to buy insurance and then get told that no, they must go on Medicaid. (Somehow they are ignoring the fat that people on Medicaid are not supposed to have savings and maybe some other things that might interfere with qualifying – and they are also ignoring the rarerly enforced clawback.)

    So Medicaid enrollment has risen. But they won’t leave Medicaid because the mandate ended.

    I read someone proposed that theer be aseamless transition for low income people above the medicaid threshhold.

    The whole point is that there is an affordability gap that Obamacare closed, or at least pushed further up the incoime spectrum. (Obamacare also falsely assumes a family’sincome is predictable, and postpones the day of reckoning)

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  89. 90. Dustin (ba94b2) — 3/15/2017 @ 1:03 pm

    Who are the leftists in the thread..

    There’s Dave @4, who caused Mike K @36 to decide he’s going to wait some more before returning. I’m not sure there are any others in this thread,and Dave actually doesn’t say much. Maybe Hoagie sees them somewhere else.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  90. 46. crazy (d3b449) — 3/15/2017 @ 7:40 am

    Question for NY’ers. Some states require a copy of the federal 1040 when filing state returns. What about NY?

    You copy over some lines from the first page Form 1040, as you cold have seen in the page from Trump’s 1995 stgate returns.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

    Sammy Finkelman (6f9f42)

  91. Thanks Sammy, but I did not ask you. I have never seen Dave claim to be a leftist, nor have I ever seen him offer a “leftist” based argument, though I could easily be mistaken.

    I’m not concerned about Mike K not returning. That’s exactly what Trump’s most hard core supporters should do if they are upset by criticism of Trump. There are places they will enjoy more than this blog, though I think Trump’s fans should try to engage in good faith and learn why Trump is so wrong about so many things, instead of just resist it. At the end of the day, these blogs are not activism. They are entertainment for politics nerds (like me).

    Thing is,

    Trump’s defenders want to talk about anything but the facts, they want to do anything but stick to a topic, and they want to make it as difficult as possible to concentrate and learn. Anyone can see this from the primary or how Trump answers issues, such as his promise to release his tax returns.

    Calling a leftist a leftist does nothing. It’s not going to upset him. He’ll say “yeah, ok, so what?” But Trump’s fans want to get a reaction so we’re talking about anything but Trump’s poor conduct and failing administration, so they will find conservatives and call them leftists, or find lifelong Republicans and call them Hillary supporters. It’s not that this argument actually succeeds at smearing anyone, but it leads folks to want to correct the record about where the argument is coming from.

    The right has a lot of reason to criticize Trump. Amnesty, Trumpcare, appointing ultimate big government insiders to his cabinet, a life of supporting the left, etc. And Trump’s fans have a lot of reason to want to reduce the conversation to the dumbest possible “binary choice” partisanship. Why support Trump except that he’s on your side, and you’re afraid of “the left”? So all criticism of Trump is construed as “the left”, and if you ask a Trump fan to back that up honestly, they might even complain that you’ve made their ad homs into some sort of personal argument. Which is hilarious.

    In four years, watch: Hoagie, Happyfeet, Cruz Supporter, and the rest of these guys who have gone to such absurd lengths to defend Trump will insist they never liked him at all.

    When someone tosses leftist out in an obnoxious fashion, vaguely, it’s worth asking who the hell they are talking about, and what basis they have for the point. The author of this post and most of the commenters here are moderate to right.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  92. Trump obviously has a copy marked “client copy”.

    One or more people in Trump’s accounting department have access to the same copy.

    The accounting firm’s copy may be a copy of the client’s copy (more likely that their copy is not stamped like that, but it is possible.)

    All banks that had outstanding loans to Trump in 2006 would have a copy of his 2005 return.

    All banks that he applied to for loans in 2006, 2007 and 2008 would have copies of that return.

    Every accounting firm in the country has a version of that stamp.

    I don’t think the stamp on the return is as exclusive as you think it is.

    Mike S (89ec89)

  93. All banks that had outstanding loans to Trump in 2006 would have a copy of his 2005 return.

    Why?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  94. I rarely have had to produce a tax return to get a loan, and my annual income is much more important to my ability to repay, much unlike Trump, who was born a rich son of a democrat crony.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  95. We can start with you and Dave. Is that straight forward enough for you? But since you want to talk integrity:

    Your refusal to answer a straight question says a lot. The “I’m really a cruz supporter” thing that Trump’s defense force do is tiresome and irrelevant.

    and yes, you do come across as a Trump supporter, but I understand why you really really don’t want to be considered one. I wouldn’t either, and historically we’re going to see a lot of Trump’s supporters deny they ever were one. At least you’re smart enough to be ahead of the curve.

    What’s “tired and irrelevant” is you telling me and anyone else who identifies as a Cruz supporter are tired and irrelevant. You throw out “Trump supporter” like other leftists throw out “racist” as if that means I am because YOU say I am. Trump won, get over it. Now, since he won if you’re an America supporter you’re a Trump supporter. You don’t have to support the man personally or even every single policy but he stands for America and he needs our support. He is the president. You are NOT helping America by helping the Democrats/leftists destabilize the presidency, the government or our security. They can’t bring down Trump without bringing down America. And if they’re successful we will have a permanent socialist democrat government and an effective one party system.

    Look at all the people trying to bring down Trump: Schumer, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Maddow, NBC<ABC<MSNBC< the NY Times, the Washington Post, Black Lives Matter The Rainbow Coalition, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ACLU, NOW, Planned Parenthood and many, many more far radical left organizations. If you are against THEM then you are a Trump supporter by default. If you're with them you're a lousy, commie ant American pig also by default.

    Who are you with? Me or them?

    You wise-assed comment about me trying to get ahead of the curve is ignorant and offensive. I am against the proposed health care plan. Is that a Trump supporter? I'm against his "giant" stimulus ideas. Is that a Trump supporter? I'm against tariffs. Is that a Trump supporter? I could go on but I figure even you get the message.

    I'm a supporter of the United States, my oath as an officer in the U.S. Army and that integrity you harped on require that I support my Commander In Chief as long as he performs his duties Constitutionally. If that means I'm a Trump supporter to you than so be it. One thing I am not and that is a seditionist.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  96. There’s Dave @4, who caused Mike K @36 to decide he’s going to wait some more before returning. I’m not sure there are any others in this thread,and Dave actually doesn’t say much.

    Oh please.

    I don’t know if you voted for the guy who bankrolled Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, Charlie Rangel and Anthony Weiner; most of the people accusing me of being a leftist did, but I sure as hell didn’t.

    I am the conservative here. I made volunteered for the phone banks to keep Jimmy Carter out of the White House when I was 13. I knocked on doors and made phone calls to elect Reagan when I was 17. I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my life, and I was a registered Republican for 35 years until last summer when our party was taken over by an ignorant, mentally-ill bigot.

    I remember – not that long ago – when our side told the truth.

    Now you are called a “leftist” if you don’t cheer for and defend obvious, calculated lies on behalf of a deranged con man. Trump is a threat to everything America has stood for throughout its history, and everything that has made us a great and good nation. The damage his blind ignorance and utter lack of morality have already done may be irreparable. The damage they will do in the future, if unchecked, is incalculable. Everyone who loves our country – and especially conservatives – should oppose and reject him.

    Dave (3718de)

  97. Trump won, get over it. Now, since he won if you’re an America supporter you’re a Trump supporter.

    Fascinating. So you were an Obama supporter for the previous eight years?

    Dave (3718de)

  98. In four years, watch: Hoagie, Happyfeet, Cruz Supporter, and the rest of these guys who have gone to such absurd lengths to defend Trump will insist they never liked him at all.

    What “absurd lengths” have I gone to to defend Trump? That’s blatantly ridiculous since when Trump first announced his campaign I said he will “blow up” in a month. Okay, I was wrong but until I was face to face with Hillary or Trump I never “supported” Trump. You make crap up. And even then I said “only to stop Hillary”. we could not have another 4 to 8 years of leftist pabulum. Especially where judges were concerned.

    When someone tosses leftist out in an obnoxious fashion, vaguely, it’s worth asking who the hell they are talking about, and what basis they have for the point. The author of this post and most of the commenters here are moderate to right.

    You are all welcome to be “moderate to right” whatever that means. I guess you’re not conservatives since conservatives are not moderate to anything. I don’t own you call yourself whatever you want. That’s what leftists do all the time.

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lTreWy_aQ3U/WMah31PcCCI/AAAAAAABihc/YHMAa_F7xXk/rachael%252520dolezal%252527s%252520cat_thumb%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  99. Fascinating. So you were an Obama supporter for the previous eight years?

    Well, I wasn’t rioting in the streets, smashing windows, blocking traffic because my guy lost. Of course I supported our government even though the president in my opinion was an ass. You seem to believe if one supports the presidency one is supporting the person. I didn’t know it was a cult.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  100. I question whether the return is actually a copy of trumps return.
    With 31m of Alternative minimum tax, he would have to had a $119m delta between regular taxable income and alternative minimum taxable income – 31m regular taxable income, vs 140m of AMT income. That delta is very high for someone in commercial real estate. The primary amt adjustments, etc are sch A taxes of an estimated $15 and a possible difference of $90m+ difference in the amt NOL and the Regular NOL. The only other major item for a real estate professional is the delta on depreciation, yet trump is in commercial real estate which has a relatively small delta. So the only big item possibly generating a huge delta is the AMT NOL which could have a big difference depending on what created the NOL.

    In summary, I am hesitant to accept the validity of the return without better support.

    Joe (debac0)

  101. Trump won, get over it. Now, since he won if you’re an America supporter you’re a Trump supporter.

    This is pretty silly. Now that he’s president his accountability is even less than before? Nope. The standard only went up. Patriotism does not mean blind obedience.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  102. A right to privacy is not limited to abortion chambers.

    Throw another baby on the barbie, the baby hunt is over.

    n.n (6b7fef)

  103. Get the 800 mcg folic acid pills that pregenant women take.

    Take 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening

    Thanks Sammy. I’ll try that. At this point what have I got to lose. Alienating Dustin and who knows who else. Bet I frosted nk a bit the other day.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  104. Hoagie again fails to answer a straight forward question asking him to specify what he was talking about.

    I continue to not hold my breath expecting him to man up!

    “Leftist” the trump defense force screams at a bunch of conservatives, simply wanting ethical, limited government.

    “Who do you mean? What are you talking about?” asks the conservative.

    “Squirrels!” Screams the TDF.

    But hey, the subject wasn’t Trump breaking his word to the American people to give us access to all of his tax returns. So I guess this is a muddy-the-waters win.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  105. The leftists can’t seem to ever disagree with someone like Trump or Bush without demonizing the person not just disliking the policy.

    *****************

    Trump does this–himself.

    Unless you think nicknaming someone a liar and insinuating that their father killed Kennedy is just fun and games.

    Then there is what Bannon does underhandedly via Breitbart–for “the cause”.

    It’s a case study in “The Prince”.

    And the lying…. Trump has spun so many facets on a subject he’s not even sure what sale he closed.

    The electorate is on a “need to know basis” and this will cost them legitimacy whilst they further isolate Trump in their Trump is King philosophy.

    Maybe the only thing they’ve been clear on is the wall.

    We all have to sit here and hope the Trump Way doesn’t obliterate the foundation of Conservative philosophy and leave a wake in its path for something truly heinous.

    The WikiLeaks alliance and cheering section at The Donald subreddit should be troubling to anyone that swore an oath to protect America from its enemies–foreign and domestic.

    Rae Sremmurd (2fd998)

  106. The Meme Magic–killed the rational.

    Rae Sremmurd (2fd998)

  107. Trump does this–himself.

    Indeed, Trump’s insecurity about Jeb Bush was so deep he went so far as to mimic Cindy Shehan in calling George W Bush the worst president in history. It is truly disingenuous to compare Trump’s critics to the Bush Derangement Syndrome stuff Trump is so famous for. Trump was also the primary birther nutjob. He lives to make it personal.

    Criticizing Trump’s broken promises or the dishonesty of Trump’s defense force is also personal, but it’s based on reason. This country deserves better, morally. We need leadership. We need accountability. Though to Trump’s fans, his victory over Hillary means he was right all along, and Trump’s critics need to shut up and eat crow, to conservatives, this actually means the standards for Trump are higher, the accountability higher, and the criticisms of broken promises and mistakes more meaningful and important. The ‘shut up and move on’ stuff is inherently authoritarian.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  108. Dustin

    Amen to all of that.

    Rae Sremmurd (2fd998)

  109. Wait a minute. Hold that amen.

    Unless you think nicknaming someone a liar and insinuating that their father killed Kennedy is just fun and games.

    Nobody ever insinuated Pater Cruz killed Kennedy.

    Just that he hung out with Oswald one summer, then covered it up.
    And why wouldn’t he hang out with Lee Harvey. The guy was a big ol Castro thrown sniffer. Course he’s going to gravitate toward Cubans such as are available.

    And after the dirty deed was done on Kennedy why wouldn’t Cruz want to forget that sorry episode? He just knew the guy. He didn’t marry him.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  110. @103. Hmmmm. Well the WH accepts it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. Nobody ever insinuated Pater Cruz killed Kennedy.

    LOL OK man. If you trip while backpeddling just remember to roll with it for safety.

    “What was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death—before the shooting. It’s horrible,” Trump said, referring to the man who assassinated JFK. Last month, the National Enquirer claimed to have identified Rafael Cruz in photographs with Oswald, handing out pro-Castro leaflets in New Orleans in 1963.

    Trump is despicable.

    “The feature that is most interesting and similar is his insincere smile,” Carole Lieberman, a forensic psychiatrist and expert witness at UCLA, said.

    The tabloid has previously endorsed Trump, who on Tuesday seemed incensed that Rafael Cruz, an evangelical pastor, would use his pulpit to rally support for anyone but him. “You look at so many of the ministers that are backing me, and they’re backing me more so than they’re backing Cruz, and I’m winning the evangelical vote,” Trump told Fox. “It’s disgraceful that his father can go out and do that.

    Despicable. Anyone who claims to be a Cruz supporter who doesn’t agree is weird or weak. Lyin’ Trump burned that bridge for his short term benefit, and his failure to unite his party is forever his own damn fault.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  112. Still waiting for the Pater Cruz killed Kennedy accusation.

    Now who is enuendoing who Dusty?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  113. I haven’t read all the comments to see if this is a repeat, but wouldn’t you think if Trump leaked his own copy he would have at least taken the precaution of blanking out the “client copy” stamp? Unless of course he is sowing more confusion…

    RB (31628f)

  114. the National Enquirer claimed to have identified Rafael Cruz in photographs with Oswald, handing out pro-Castro leaflets in New Orleans in 1963.

    Still, that’s three months earlier. But it’s not true anyway. Cruz’s father had long before turned against Castro.

    I just wonder who originally tried to tie Ted Cruz in some way maybe to the JFK assassination.

    Then Trump picks it up, even though, even on its own terms, it means nothing, even if it really was a picture of Cruz’s father in Aug. 1963, and finds out the same day he doesn’t need it.

    Sammy Finkelman (3fda43)

  115. DPD: Depressive cognition and behavior; dejection, gloominess, cheerlessness, joylessness, unhappiness; low self-esteem; beliefs of inadequacy and worthlessness; criticism, blaming, and derogation of self; brooding and worry; negativism, criticism, and judging of others including motivation; pessimism; petulance, remorsefulness and guilt feelings.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  116. NPD: High self-esteem; grandiosity; lack of empathy; an arrogant, haughty attitude; interpersonal exploitation; grandiose sense of self-importance; exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements; conviction of uniqueness, specialness; belief that they can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions); fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love; sense of entitlement; requiring constant attention and admiration; feelings of envy, believes that others are envious.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  117. Looks like a shiny object.
    Smells like piping hot borscht.
    Tastes like fresh… strawberries.

    “Crazy Eddie! His prices are… insane!” – ‘Crazy Eddie’ Electronics TV ad tag, NYC, 1980’s

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  118. At various times the enquirer has named the late Dr. Orlando Bosch, the late Felix Diaz (a casino manager at the nacional) and sundry other chAracter in the assasination.

    narciso (02f62d)


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