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2/28/2017

Paul Ryan Applauds Trillion-Dollar Infrastructure Plan, Paid Family Leave (Video)

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:22 pm

Here’s Trump announcing his giant trillion-dollar infrastructure boondoggle. Watch Paul Ryan. He claps.

Here’s Trump proposing a federal program for paid family leave. Again, watch Paul Ryan. He doesn’t want to applaud. He waits to applaud. But he applauds — and even stands up to do so.

I’m not sure how much you can read into applause, but if Paul Ryan can’t resist the pressure to applaud, can he resist the pressure to pass the programs?

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

163 Responses to “Paul Ryan Applauds Trillion-Dollar Infrastructure Plan, Paid Family Leave (Video)”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. They will all fall in line.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  3. Casino Host 1 has officially opened his cashiers cage. Markers for everyone!

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  4. Seeing what a community organizer did with our money, give me a builder any day to make decisions. I am biased as I despise community organizers and have built my share of custom homes.

    mg (31009b)

  5. In Soviet Russia, Infrastructure Plan Pays for You.

    the appeal is natural. Obama blew through so much cash and we didn’t even get anything to show for it. If he had used that spending to build a bunch of stuff, it’s hard to argue that would have been worse.

    But when I was complaining that the GOP is not going to balance the budget, and so they are just driving us over the cliff more slowly, I think I was mistaken. They seem to be flooring it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  6. Six weeks in, this was the ‘Seinfeld Speech.’ A sixty minute show about nothing.

    “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.” – Jerry Seinfeld ‘Seinfeld’ NBC TV

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. I’d rather people make their own decisions about what to do with their money. Call me old-fashioned, but that’s what so-called conservatives used to believe.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  8. You know Trump will sign a contract for a trillion worth of infrastructure, but good luck trying to get him to pay when the job’s complete. He’s the master of debt, you know. He owes everybody money.

    Jerryskids (16a4d5)

  9. i want deregulation and tax reform

    President Trump’s stripper daughter wants paid family leave

    you got your chockit in my peabnut bubber!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. He delivered the speech without once pounding on the podium or rising up on his toes.

    Democrats hit hardest.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. We just need the courage to share the dreams that fill our hearts. The bravery to express the hopes that stir our souls. And the confidence to turn those hopes and dreams to action.

    “Hope and Change” is pithier.

    Jerryskids (16a4d5)

  12. here were a ewsurorises in the speech, besides the tone.

    He actually had a good statistic for crime, Not that crime is high but that, in 2015, it had the highest increase in 50 years. We all know why.

    He did recognize a prlem wth the FDA, but probably doesnt understand how deeply rooted it i he segued into education from that.

    Besides the paid family leave proposal (better handled through Social Security) he also had a big voucher proposal.

    He had a goal of the year 2026, which he didn’t describe as twenty twenty six, bt as the 250th anniversary of the United states. He said 1876 was the cdentennial so you knew what year he meant. He’s quiite serious about making changes in the “inner city”

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  13. He again said he wanted to wipe out ISIS, in different words than in his inagural address..

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  14. Steve Beshear never lost an election.
    His whole life, including successful campaigns for student body treasurer and student body president, never lost an election.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Beshear#Early_political_career

    papertiger (c8116c)

  15. Col – The no trumpers were hoping he would break out and star singing The”Deutshlandlied”

    mg (31009b)

  16. I didn’t watch the speech. I see the consensus on the conservative Twitters is that it was great, especially when a widow cried. I guess it’s easy to opine that it feels calculated when you didn’t watch it. Seems that it was very moving to those who did. But I didn’t.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  17. They will all fall in line.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 2/28/2017 @ 7:25 pm

    They fell in line for Bush as well. They are followers.

    So?

    For the record, it’s a waste of money and more government control. Wasteful and stupid.

    NJRob (43d957)

  18. Trump’s luck is holding. Schumer keeps having to explain right off on the cablers why they chose a cadaver to deliver their response.

    Chuckie! Chuckie! Chuckie!” – The Unknown Comic [Murray Langston] ‘The Gong Show’ NBC TV 1976-80

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. lol, mg.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. oh my goodness

    if we wanna excoriate a hoochie for not playing to the cameras

    let’s give this hooch a whirl

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. The Candyman, mg. With plum lollies for all the good little boys and girls.

    nk (dbc370)

  22. yum!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. “I didn’t watch the speech. I see the consensus on the conservative Twitters is that it was great, especially when a widow cried.”

    Good grief.

    Harkin (afc7a6)

  24. If we judge on applause or lack thereof, the Democrats favor of drug addiction, corruption, and unemployment.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  25. Jon Gabriel.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  26. The candyman, nk, is Paul Ryan.

    mg (31009b)

  27. I never thought soldiers wives get enough applause.

    mg (31009b)

  28. We are driving to the cliff on new roads and bridges.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  29. and humming a jaunty tune about candy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  30. Jerryskids

    One thing I learned from Catch a Contractor is you don’t pay more than half up front.

    I got so mad at my wife for writing a roofer the whole check when they left garbage and nails in my yard for my kids to traipse thru.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  31. You ever fly from LaGuardia to Ataturk airport in Istanbul? You’ll ask yourself which is the Third World country.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principle. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
    Ambrose Bierce

    mg (31009b)

  33. nk- Here is a Ambrose Bierce you might like.
    Vote: The instrument and symbol of a freeman’s power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country.

    mg (31009b)

  34. here’s some seriously scary tornado footage from illinois tonight

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. A new Cindy Sheehan has risen from the ashes.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  36. “THE DEMOCRATS IN 2017: Bernie Sanders Rips Trump For “Stirring Up Fear And Hatred” By Inviting Families Of People Killed By Illegal Aliens.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/258557/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  37. ugh that whole bit was so cheesy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  38. 35… God bless that lady. She was having a very tough time holding it together there.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. Even the MLS is getting in on Hire American thing (http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/02/28/mls-increases-roster-size-emphasis-homegrown-players). And before you get all anti- about Soccer, think of Uncle Sam’s Army diehards always taking piss bombs from Mexican partisans.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  40. Play, play the game tonight

    Can you tell me if it’s wrong or right?

    Is it worth the time, is it worth the price?

    Do you see yourself in the bright spotlight?

    And play the game tonight

    Kansas

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  41. I’m really not judging but I don’t know why anyone would willingly go to get singled out at an event like this.

    Legal, illegal, etc. I don’t understand that mindset.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  42. 36. Bernie Sanders Rips Trump For “Stirring Up Fear And Hatred” By Inviting Families Of People Killed By Illegal Aliens.”

    Well, of course it is. You could collect more victims if instead it was Families Of People Killed By African Americans and woudnt that be stirring up fear and hatred?

    Of course the Democrats are otherwise largely incoherent. They probably can’t even explain why it is wrong to stir up fear and hatred.

    Anyway, Donald Trump announced he was setting up something where they could collect names of American citizens victimized by illegal immigrants, but only such vivtims, which is being as selective as Al Sharpton is.

    You would think the opposite never happened – illegal immigrants victimized by American citizens.

    You would think that explained most of the crime in the United States.

    You would think maybe these illegal immigrants were newcomers, when most of them, I amfairly certain, have probably been here before the age of 10, and if you want to say not so, let;s look at the examples when they come.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  43. If the price of admission to a speech before Congress is a gold star the cost is too damn high.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  44. Maybe I missed it, but I don’t remember Trump promising the people he was looking at for votes either an infrastructure program or amnesty for illegals. So I don’t think the voters are to blame (or credit) for these two things.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. You know DJT is too much of a jock sniffer to push that button, Sammy. And wasn’t Jamiel Shaw a budding Blood?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  46. I mean as much as I hate Trumpkins, fair is fair.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. I think there were hints at major infrastructure projects during the primary season. That was part of peeling the skilled tradesmen away from the milquetoasts.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  48. Good point, ulb. He is dancing with the one that brung him — rewarding the people who voted for him whether he had promised to or not.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. Bodes well for more pro-Second Amendment judges, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. Nice comments by Rich Galen:

    “My Twitter feed, which is mostly national political reporters, was soggy with the tears of disappointment that President Donald Trump hadn’t put on a clown suit and gone completely off script……..

    ……Will it make people who – literally – hate Donald Trump decide to cut him a little slack? No……..[so true]

    …….But that important group of voters who are not full-time Republicans or Democrats may decide to give him a few more months and see what comes of immigration and taxes and jobs and the other program promises.”

    http://www.mullings.com/03-01-17.htm

    Harkin (afc7a6)

  51. All the Nuevo Caminos lead to Juarez.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  52. What? You were expecting principle?

    If there is one distinguishing characteristic of pols it is cravenness. They’ll fall in line. That’s what they do.

    A remarkably presidential oration. The man is learning on the job.

    I only wish he could fire his daughter.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  53. My dad fired me one time. I was supposed to back fill the foundation on a steel building he was erecting. Instead of working I was throwing rocks at the steel because it made a cool sound like the lasers on Battlestar Galactica. At least I didn’t cost the economy a couple of billion dollars.

    I think happyfeet made a comment about Ivanka being a stripper it’s true.

    I bought her perfume for my wife and it smells like sweat and money.

    Pinandpuller (f98a4a)

  54. Never Trumpers have to be worried that their boy Tom Perez picked a old drunk white guy to give the democrats response to President Trump. I was expecting an crimalein tranny to deliver for the no trumpers.

    mg (31009b)

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    avatar, website avatar, digital marketing, promote website, website traffic, generate traffic (501fa2)

  56. 55,People forget old white drunk has been bested by old white not drunk.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  57. Before the speech, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi promised that the Dem congresswomen wearing white to embarrass Trump “will be very dignified.”

    https://twitter.com/thatgiirl30/status/836858275903733761/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort/status/836777067421265920/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    papertiger (c8116c)

  58. You wonder we’re so (redacted)

    http://cybersummitusa.com/2016/10/david-laufman

    He has company ties, was part of the October surprise imbroglio and the witchhunt against newt.

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. Winning the future

    https://archive.is/CEXjf

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. Most of them are homely enough to make it likely that they’re entitled to wear it.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. They are not even sure if they’re American or not, narciso.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  62. A pic is worth a thou million words…

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C50GPqEWMAEkIZv.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  63. She is a eldritch horror, perhaps nyarthelop:
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?288087-1/disposition-guantanamo-bay-detainees

    narciso (d1f714)

  64. #NeverStrumpets #Unguentine #LiberallyApplied

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  65. Advice>>> don’t lick those wounds, you’ll spread the yeast infection.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  66. Andrew Breitbart died 5 years ago today. RIP.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  67. OldDemocrat in the diner sitting there, just finished watching Trump’s speech with his average friends didn’t find too much objectionable in the speech but he knew he should be outraged, so his chipped up that old timey tone a notch er two…

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  68. my internet didn’t carry the response

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. As babalu pointed in the next post, this prog stunt is a real affront to the real ‘ladies in white, who have spoken truth to power,

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. Andrew Breitbart died 5 years ago today. RIP.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff) — 3/1/2017 @ 6:23 am

    Capt. Caul “We should have shot sooner.

    Guss “I don’t want to think about all the things we should have done for that fine man.“

    papertiger (c8116c)

  71. Wise words from Sarah Hoyt…

    “But it wasn’t until this weekend and the conversations about last week that I GOT it. It’s not just government. If it were just government, it would be easy. But the same stick hitting politics is hitting EVERYTHING from Hollywood to your local grocery store. A lot of it is still being done the way it was ten years ago, sure, but that is probably incompetent, delusional, and quite likely hurting the business.

    I know the establishment of publishing is mostly running around with its head in a sack, insisting it’s still night. Their extended modified hangouts when from “Amazon is just a bookstore” to “Ebooks are inconvenient and the readers are expensive, it will never catch on” to “Ebooks are a thing of the past” (!) to now “those puny little indies aren’t threatening us, it must be people are reading less. Red staters are so teh dumb.”

    But they’re not alone. The leadership of CHURCHES seems out of touch with their parishioners. Do not even get me started on the corporate leaders, either, as they have no clue how to change to fit where we are now, much less where we’re going.

    This means that the leaders appear incompetent. Really incompetent. Crowds smell fear, like any wild animal. The other things crowds do is notice failure, and the collapse and insanity of the press makes it hard for them to hide it.

    Eight years ago people were sensing something was wrong. Hiring Obama was part of this. He was the dream-boat of the Marxists and everyone had been educated to believe Marxism (even when they weren’t told the name) was the way of the future. I mean, it’s right there on the tin “progressive.” It must be progress. He had the education, he didn’t have experience in government but the media burned its last shreds of credibility to convince everyone he was a deep thinker.

    Only, like managers being hired now on impeccable credentials, he was trained to administer the government of the thirties, at most. Not the chaotic economy and intricate specializations of the oughts.

    More and more people are failing like he did — by the book — and being declared successes, btw, by the similarly indoctrinated, while leaving the thing they were leading and administered in pieces behind them.

    It is not their fault in a way. Modern society requires training, but the training they’re being given, besides being infected with Marxist fantasies (this is similar to what held Catholic countries back from the industrial revolution. All their training was religious, so it was hard to see past the ideal to the pragmatic) the techniques they’re being taught are fifty to a hundred years out of date.

    Even people graduated now are already wrong, and about to become more wrong, because change keeps coming.

    If you look around in the fields you know, the feeling is always that the worst possible bozos are in charge.

    This is not true. It’s easier to adapt when you don’t carry the responsibility for others, and for picking the right change for others.

    But what it means in practical fact is that it’s fueling a vast tide of “populism”. We can see that the people who are supposedly smarter and in charge really don’t get US much less the changes in what is happening around them. They’re not taking things in account, they’re lost. They don’t know what to do.

    Let’s hope this tide is not a blood tide, though it will be, in some places, at some times. It always is. Man is a fighting ape.

    But if you are a manager, or have the ear of one, think through things. How everything is affected, what is likely to come next. Then try to influence things to keep stuff going, with minimal shocks.

    Because the confused and shell-shocked elites have started fighting back. This is most obvious after the elections, and in politics, but it’s happening at all levels. And because they don’t know why things are failing, they’re starting to get paranoid. There’s going to be a lot of deplatforming and politics of destruction ahead. And that leads very easily to politics of physical destruction.

    Be prepared. Think about the future as well as you can. This is difficult, on account of the future hasn’t happened yet, and there’s things you’ll not take in account and things that will go wrong. Sure. But you’re plenty smart enough to keep a step or two ahead of destructive change. Most of us are.

    Most industries/institutions/polities won’t get this. You must try to save what you can from the wreckage, but be aware, too, that we’re about to go upside down.

    Be ready for it. Be prepared. Don’t lose your way. We’re going to need all the people who can think through this, plus some, to avoid a blood letting that will make the French Revolution or the American Civil war look like tea with the parish ladies.

    Keep your head, keep your sanity. Be not afraid.”

    https://accordingtohoyt.com/2017/02/28/upside-down/

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  72. It is as robin calls mind arson, malwaRe that infects the mainframe, devos is a bot in this regard:

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. A remarkably presidential oration. The man is learning on the job.

    He can be more presidential than anyone, except for maybe Abraham Lincoln.

    I don’t know. Again, I didn’t listen to it, but speeches don’t impress me. If it’s fourscore and seven years ago, maybe I’ll listen. Otherwise it’s just more cult of personality. Let’s have fewer words and more constitutional limited government action.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  74. Good grief.

    I guess you join that consensus then.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  75. I haven’t watched a presidential speech in years. That fairy Marxist Obama would whistle and hiss when he spoke and it drove me nuts so I stopped listening. Beside, I get the reviews here at Patterico so why bother.

    I did notice the democrats are wearing their old uniforms.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C50eKQTWYAE890X.jpg

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  76. Great point, Rev.

    mg (31009b)

  77. You ever fly from LaGuardia to Ataturk airport in Istanbul? You’ll ask yourself which is the Third World country.

    JFK is no treat either. But airports can be improved or replaced. Prestige palaces, on the other hand

    For all Trump’s self-involvement and opprobrious statements towards dictatorial “accomplishments”, it’s hard to believe he would go down a similar road. But a trillion-dollar “infrastructural” omnibus is not very encouraging.

    JP (f1742c)

  78. By and large Trump’s fans are happy with the speech.

    I think that’s fine, but we need to see results. I’m concerned that Trump has begun floating more amnesty. It’s the above the fold NYT story this morning. I’m concerned with the recent massive spending proposals right as we should be discussing the debt ceiling. Also a little disappointed in how Trump has handled the loss of the SEAL (putting the loss on his subordinates instead of owning it like Obama would have).

    Granted, the conservatives were simply totally defeated in the last election. We lost the primary, we lost the general, and we lost our opportunity. So these concerns I have are just musings about the long term problems the conservatives will have to address in the long term future.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  79. When did Obama own anything when it failed, there was a similar strike some say against al kazemi, some say al rimi, this was before the underwear bombing attack, it failed spectacularly. They used a cruise missile.

    narciso (55db41)

  80. Yeah yeah yeah, Obama is a democrat therefore any comment praising him might as well praise Satan.

    “I am ultimately responsible for what’s taking place there because these are my folks, and I’m the one who has to greet those coffins when they come home,”

    Versus

    “This was something they wanted to do,” he said. “They came to me, they explained what they wanted to do, the generals, who are very respected, the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe. And they lost Ryan.”

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  81. This is just gut level stuff that at root makes it very difficult for me to evaluate Trump. As a man I just don’t respect him. He and I just aren’t wired the same.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  82. “CHARLES HURT: Trump speech leaves Democrats befuddled, in ruins, with question marks.

    As I noted in last night’s drunkblog, Trump is going after traditionally Democratic constituencies in way some of us on the right-leaning bloggers have been pushing for since George W. Bush’s first term.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/258578/

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  83. The sequester did exactly what Obama promises in the Iowa peace pledge, thus is why they called Woodward a doddering old man, for pointing that out., but there agAin maverick and goose want to continue with a corrupt bargain.

    narciso (d1f714)

  84. The sequester did exactly what Obama promises in the Iowa peace pledge, thus is why they called Woodward a doddering old man, for pointing that out., but there agAin maverick and goose want to continue with a corrupt bargain.

    narciso

    Obama hasn’t accomplished anything in over a month. What a lame duck!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  85. “I’m a proud Democrat, but first and foremost, I’m a proud Republican, and Democrat, and mostly, American.”

    — confused, old-timey guy chosen to provide Democrat response to Trump speech

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  86. What you wanted to him to do more damage, it may take a generation to recover from all he has wrought.

    narciso (d1f714)

  87. Ft, Woodward was been a fraud going back to Watergate as max Holland pointed out.

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. “I didn’t listen to it, but speeches don’t impress me.”
    – Patterico

    I agree. Talk is cheap. But after believing Trump is an out of control narcissist who lacks the discipline to stay on topic and play the role, it is nice to learn otherwise. And the speech made Trump’s more hysterical critics look even worse. That’s a big plus. All the anti-Trump craziness has left the playing field wide open for our new President. It is reassuring that he knows exactly how to capitalize on the opportunity.

    And there are people – many people, in fact – who think words matter, especially Presidential words. I have to add that in times of trouble, I am first to acknowledge that a strong and disciplined President can play an important leadership role through words, alone. This may be one of those times – especially if you believe Sarah Hoyt (thanks for the excerpt, Haiku!).

    It is easy to read a lot into an address like this one. I think it is important to wait and see exactly how those words are implemented in policy and the law. I’ll be waiting, though I won’t deny my own optimism (which I notice this morning is shared by the stock market at 21,000 and headed north!).

    ThOR (c9324e)

  89. I think Obama actually is doing damage now, because I consider Trump to be the legacy of not listening to Americans and having an “I won” attitude. I think the same trend of refusing to reason, refusing to show empathy or respect to other points of view, and ultimately not learning from the exchange John Stuart Mill had in mind for governments, is going to show a pendulum swing back and forth but on a spectrum of populism.

    all feelings. I can’t reason Trump or Obama’s fans out of anything.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  90. No he destroyed health care, savaged our military, let loose a whole new executive corps of Al queda into being, let at least two cities burn, painted targets on cops, where do you want to stop.

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. It’s interesting that your phrasing suggests you think you contradicted what I said. It’s as though reason doesn’t reach you.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  92. dustin
    it must be a terrible burden
    being so superior to everyone else
    fortunately i will never know what that’s like

    how can a life
    so devoid of laughter and humor
    be fun?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  93. Ah stuTter mill, he was the one who coined ‘the stupid party’ for the stories, his liberals didn’t go very far either, explains Trollope’s pained expression.

    narciso (d1f714)

  94. 91-Thor:
    “I agree. Talk is cheap. But after believing Trump is an out of control narcissist who lacks the discipline to stay on topic and play the role, it is nice to learn otherwise. And the speech made Trump’s more hysterical critics look even worse. That’s a big plus. All the anti-Trump craziness has left the playing field wide open for our new President.”

    Agree.

    Trump had Van Jones calling him presidential last night (and boy did the libs come down on him!) and all the haters can do is sling boondoggle smack and make curious remarks about the widow of a Navy SEAL.

    88-Col Haiku: “— confused, old-timey guy chosen to provide Democrat response to Trump speech”.

    Yes, between he and Perez, the Dems have chosen a charisma-free message center….for now. This could be a real opportunity for the radicals to make a move, although they just rejected Ellison (or did they, maybe the Dem fix was in once again).

    harkin (afc7a6)

  95. Perezid just as much a salami supporting cop hating first amendment despising appatatchik as ellison, its like the difference between axrlrid and blumenthal.

    narciso (d1f714)

  96. What I find fascinating about this whole Trump episode, going back a couple of years, is how his critics sole response is to dig in and fight. In the past, my take on the market for political ideas was that competing pols typically choose to adopt the platform of the leader as their own, blurring the lines between the leader and those trying to catch up. At this late date, I would have expected “We are all Trumpians now” to be the leitmotif. Why has this not happened? The only pol who came close was Cruz.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  97. I thought that was interesting from Hoyt, Thor, glad you thought so too. I passed the link on to my wife and children. It’s always a good idea to prepare for what may be coming…. the Great Dislocation or whatever it will be known as when all is said and done.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  98. Some are confused, or more appropriately, bumfuzzled. Some choose to see the glass as half full, others see it as Kool Aid and seem to prefer moar of the gruel they’ve been served for the last 8 years.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  99. Perez, salafi and axelrod, is what do you think of Kaufman as head leakier?

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. I listened to the response on the radio. I thought they picked a random old guy from Cracker Barrel who was whittling in a rocking chair out front. Were his eyebrows Bill Nye level?

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  101. such good pancakes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  102. That’s a high bar there, pinandpuller. Although Carlson left Nye with his head up his own keister, who knows what the depilatory effect might’ve been.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  103. Paul Mirengoff over at Powerline has something insightful to say this morning on a topic that gets under my skin. I’d like to quote a passage:

    “Trump and Reagan share more than an ability to stage speeches and to articulate a patriotic message. They share a contempt for America doubters.”

    “This distinguishes them from the two Republican presidents who served in between them. Bush 41 and Bush 43 were great patriots. But they did not have, or at least display, a visceral reaction to nay-saying about America . . .”

    “Reagan and Trump have that visceral reaction, and they display it. This served Reagan well and, if Trump can control himself, it may well do the same for him.”

    ThOR (c9324e)

  104. Thor,

    Follow the leader cost the Dems over 1,000 seats during the Obama Maladministration. Obama had a 53% majority in ’08, 51% in ’12 versus Trump’s 46% plurality in ’16. Pols pay close attention to money and political organization as well as polling in their decision making and support schemata and Trump has not demonstrated clear competence in any of those three. There isn’t much at all for the pols to try and catch up to and every one of them knows it.

    Rick Ballard (2d3a64)

  105. When the anointed one, Jeb!, is polling at 5 percent there’s a whole lot of catching up to be done. But no, as his candidacy careened off the rails, he doubled down. I don’t see the logic.

    You notice, we haven’t been hearing much of him of late. There’s a reason. When we hear from Little Marco or Big Chris Christie, it’s always painful. They all should have made the adjustment, but they didn’t.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  106. @107- With all due respect, it sounds like YOU need to do some catching up:
    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=9720

    Leon (feb2a4)

  107. Leon,

    What does your link have to do with the points I made regarding pols in 107? I understand the thrust of the link but the Pepe crew will have to show up in ’18 to validate the assertions made.

    Rick Ballard (2d3a64)

  108. I listened to the response on the radio. I thought they picked a random old guy from Cracker Barrel who was whittling in a rocking chair out front. Were his eyebrows Bill Nye level?

    Pinandpuller

    The dems just don’t have a bench at all. It’s surprising because they have all the power of pop culture and the GOP is led by the king of uncool, but they just don’t have it. Nancy Pelosi, One eyed Reid, Hillary? Maybe if they implant a nano teleprompter in Chelsea’s eyeball she can rise to the occasion. I bet someone is working on that.

    dustin
    it must be a terrible burden
    being so superior to everyone else

    I think maybe, just maybe, you’re taking your politics too personally. It’s as though nothing I could ever say could convince you that the republican party is wrong. I think that’s because you’ve decided at some level that the republican party’s success is itself the goal.

    But thanks for a unique thought, which is refreshing after your three or so comments you cycle through over and over. Trust me, it’s not easy trying to lift you poor dummies up all the time, but the terrible burden will be faced with inspiring background music and excellent supporting actresses.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  109. such good pancakes

    happyfeet

    You surely used to have Kerbey Lane’s pumpkin pancakes, right?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  110. The pols aren’t the only ones playing catchup, Thor.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  111. @110-Trump was outspent massively and polls were embarrassingly wrong, and pols don’t have a clue to this day how or why he was elected. Yet you say they don’t need to catch up.

    The link was about those that become irrelevant and left behind.

    Hope that helps.

    Leon (feb2a4)

  112. What does Trump being outspent have to do with him raising money for the RNC, RNCC or RNSC? What difference does his polling make to pols who garnered more votes than he did? The pols have a very good idea as to the effect of the RNC GOTV effort, especially in those states with Senate races. They owe him precisely nothing and their failure to ‘get on board’ with the gibberish of the day is a reflection of wholly understandable reality.

    Rick Ballard (2d3a64)

  113. What do they owe the voters that elected him based on his stated agendas?

    Not taking that into account is how they are going to get more Trump.

    Leon (feb2a4)

  114. dustin
    we’re poor dummies
    just as you say

    but we try to be more like you
    yet we realize we’re not smart enough
    and our hearts aren’t as pure as yours

    so won’t you cut us some slack?

    we may take our politics seriously as you say, but not so much that we seek refuge in a safe space where the moderator would kick us out for calling other commenters, “dummies”

    that’s what the literature professors refer to as dramatic irony

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  115. dustin
    we’re poor dummies
    just as you say

    You said it, Trump Supporter, I didn’t.

    Patterico (31088f)

  116. we may take our politics seriously as you say, but not so much that we seek refuge in a safe space where the moderator would kick us out for calling other commenters, “dummies”

    Troll value 6:10. Pretty good troll effort for you.

    I really liked the way you insult folks all the time while you cry that this is a safe space. It’s that irrational crying that really makes that Alt-right look.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  117. Reps and Senators owe those who voted for them adherence to the platform as well as adherence to positions espoused by them during the campaign.

    Trump owes his suckers adherence to the promises he never, ever intended to keep.

    It ain’t all that complicated.

    Rick Ballard (2d3a64)

  118. Rick, if Trump keeps most of his promises I will be donating and voting for him.

    Amnesty? Not so much.

    What’s frustrating is that I believe amnesty is coming and it’s going to be defended by the guys who bashed Rubio for being dishonest about the same issue, or the people who turned their nose up at Cruz for an actual keepable promise on the issue.

    Winning on the best promises is an invitation to those promises being cited, but I’ve been citing them recently and apparently that isn’t reasonable of me.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  119. I just listened to Rush’s parody of the dem response and it blew anything Melissa McCarthy could do away. Paul Shanklin should be winning awards.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  120. The dems response reminds me of how I acted back in the day when Radio Shack would ask for my phone number.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  121. You shouldn’t play with matches and Tucker Carlson is a match factory. Guests should be issued hardhats and safety glasses.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  122. Dustin

    The GOP is a cell. Trump is a virus rewriting it’s RNA. I can’t say I mind but I’m more con-curious than conservative. Maybe cis-servative party-queer.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  123. Darn it, pinandpuller, that would’ve been fun to hear that! And I think the lefties who submit to appearing on Carlson’s show now think they can talk over him without pausing for a breath to forestall the evisceration they seem to know is coming but it hasn’t worked that I’ve seen.

    Colonel Haiku (ea7bff)

  124. Maybe cis-servative party-queer.

    What a 2017 thing to say.

    We live in interesting damn times that’s for sure.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  125. There was a time when the probs felt some twinge of embarrassment, then Jon Stewart and co, made them more shameless.

    narciso (74c777)

  126. Like build the wall, Rick, or repeal and replace, or how about use the power of the purse.

    narciso (74c777)

  127. We need amnesty so those people can come out of the shadows and start commiting real American crimes.

    Pinandpuller (7eaf94)

  128. Pinandpuller – Great parody from Shanklin. Had to put the trowel down from laughing.

    mg (31009b)

  129. Carlson needs a Gong.

    mg (31009b)

  130. #119
    dustin
    you’re a lying texan
    i never claimed this place is a “safe space”
    the “safe space” is patterico’s living room, known as the jury talks back
    that’s where you like to run and hide after you insult people
    it’s also where you like to ruminate about civility and kindness — again, after you insult people over here

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  131. 2:10 troll effort. Just screeching nonsense.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  132. dustin
    if it were screeching nonsense
    then you wouldn’t be freaking out about it
    but we know we have your number because you’re always freaking out about it
    texas pride

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  133. 1:10 basically just the same comment

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  134. https://i.imgur.com/HfTr7cr.gifv

    an illustration

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  135. dear mr unhappy dustin

    a paraphrased quote from a sheryl crow song

    if it makes you unhappy
    then it can’t be that bad

    (texas priiidde!)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  136. 7:10 troll effort

    just because I can’t stand Sheryl Crow.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  137. Another one of those first world problem promoters

    narciso (d1f714)

  138. Can anyone tell me why Trump is pushing infrastructure and family leave, when this isn’t on the radar of his base? It is like he is pandering to the left.

    Denver (6071e9)

  139. Trump’s base has no objection to government plum lollies. They just want to be the ones getting them.

    nk (dbc370)

  140. Denver, that’s a good question, but I think Trump intends to let Congress has things out, as spending pork is something they are eager to do, and then take credit. Makes for easy teleprompter lines. Meanwhile, I just keep seeing a lot of amnesty talk and I hope Trump’s fans don’t get stabbed in the back on the core issue many of them believed Trump on.

    Time will tell.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  141. I don’t think so, he sees it as a way to genuinely get America back to work again,

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. Judging from the reaction of the Democrats — and I mean the professionals, not the nutcases — he said all the right things politically. He’s got them worried about their future chances, now.

    nk (dbc370)

  143. But let’s let CNN keep on trying to make hay with BLM riots and “families being broken up”.

    nk (dbc370)

  144. The problem is people mistake the ‘shadows on the wall’for the real thing, Russian hacking, dodgy dossier et Al, for the real thing.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/01/coal-mining-begins-seeing-revival-as-trump-gives-industry-hope.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. “I think Trump intends to let Congress hash things out”

    Dustin,

    Another way to look at is that the Article I component is acting appropriately in separating itself from the Article II component and may respectfully decline to embrace a vision which it does not share. The Article I component has no need of permission from the Article II component to fulfill its duties as it sees fit.

    Rick Ballard (2d3a64)

  146. If the Dems are truly dead, who goes where in the dispersal draft – both politicians and voting blocs into Trump and Not Trump?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  147. urbanleftbehind,

    There isn’t a body of pols in Congress big enough to call itself Not Trump. Not Trump is just a stick to hold while saying ‘nice doggy’ – a training aid. It’s not as if Trump has any principles to overcome in shifting his pitch.

    The Dems concentration/dispersion problem will not be resolved any time soon but they are in no danger of losing control of the BK metros whose corpses they will continue to rob in order to maintain a semblance of life.

    Rick Ballard (2d3a64)

  148. “Trump owes his suckers adherence to the promises he never, ever intended to keep.”

    Yeah, yeah. Same old nevertrumper boilerplate that never seems to be true.

    Don’t you guys EVER tire of being wrong?

    Leon (feb2a4)

  149. This seemed worth considering…

    “This jibes with what a commenter said last night when I remarked that I didn’t like Trump’s paid family leave proposal:

    ‘I used to hate stuff like this as recently as a year ago, but if immigration’s getting cut off (rightfully so), the US is going to need to do something about its native birth rates. Right now the situation is that younger professional women have an easier time climbing the ladder than middle-aged ones, which means they put off children until their late 30s or early 40s so as to not interrupt this momentum. By that time, it can be too late in some cases and in others, they’ll only have 1, when the health of the state requires 2 or 3. Something needs to be done to change this calculus. We can’t have a system where our smart, successful middle to upper middle class women don’t have kids or barely have them. And a tax credit doesn’t get the job done.

    Given the choice between twisting business’s arms in a way that makes me uncomfortable and demographic/fiscal destruction (god knows what happens to Medicaid and SS if our birth rates start looking like Japan’s), I’d rather grit my teeth and twist away.’

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/258581/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  150. Leon,

    Wait ’til you see Trump fetch. Believe you me, nobody does it better.

    Rick Ballard (2d3a64)

  151. If immigration (as we have thought of it for the last 50 years or so) is getting cut off, as alluded to in Haiku’s post at 7:00pm PST, is it not advantageous to let: 1. Russia run roughshod over its former Soviet bloc Eastern European countries and 2. encourage NW Europe to restrict “everybody” from coming in, thus creating a super-desparate contingent of Eastern European immigrants that could step in if indeed there are jobs that survive automation and remain ones that natural born Americans wont do. This might be where the so-called WN movement is working the strings.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  152. I lived in a very azure habitat for much of thevlast 20 years and their attitudes dint change, its makware.

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. Point taken, volodya as a bear looking back at the interegnum between Catherine and Alexander 11, looks at Poland like a fresh trout

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. Not to be picky, but the interregnum’s name was Pavel Pyotrvich.

    kishnevi (0cb353)

  155. True but he was only around fir five years, the first Alexander didn’t meddle me h in poland

    narciso (d1f714)

  156. True, but Napoleon did (“Grand Duchy of Warsaw”).

    kishnevi (0cb353)

  157. Another way to look at is that the Article I component is acting appropriately in separating itself from the Article II component and may respectfully decline to embrace a vision which it does not share. The Article I component has no need of permission from the Article II component to fulfill its duties as it sees fit.

    Rick Ballard

    Quite true. But I think part of the president’s task is to lead and lobby congress. The president makes a lot of promises and proposals and then works with congress to get them. At least that’s how Trump seemed to see it.

    I do like that vision of yours of how it should work.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  158. Btw dolezal has gone totally native, nketche aware Diablo, I’m cereal.

    narciso (d1f714)

  159. https:\\Google\Translate\Narciso to English
    Rachel Dolezal changed her name to Nketche Diallo.

    nk (dbc370)

  160. Close enough, auticirrect is terribly ethnocatricis at us

    narciso (d1f714)

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