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2/27/2017

Rachel Dolezal Today: I don’t think you can do something wrong with your identity if you’re living in your authenticity

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:28 am

[guest post by Dana]

Racehl Dolezal is back in the news. If you recall, she was an Adjunct Professor of African-American Studies at Eastern Washington University as well as the high-profile president of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP before losing both positions after it came to light that Dolezal, who had identified as black, was actually white:

“Are you,” asked the reporter, “African American?” Like a cartoon, her features froze. “I don’t understand the question.” The reporter pressed, “Are your parents white?” Dolezal turned from the camera and fled.

Footage of the confrontation flew around the world. Dolezal’s white parents released photographs of their daughter as a blonde white child, and appeared on TV to denounce her as a fraud; she had been living a lie, pretending to be black, when she was no more African American than they were. Dolezal resigned from her NAACP position, was fired by the university, lost her local newspaper column and was removed from the police ombudsman commission. Enthralled by her disgrace, talkshows and radio phone-ins sneered and raged. Why did she do it? What had she been thinking? When it emerged that she had once sued a university for discriminating against her because she was white, Dolezal’s notoriety was complete.

Now it appears that Dolezal has hit on hard times as she is one month’s rent away from being homeless and relying on food stamps. Since her termination from the university, Dolezal claims she has applied for more than 100 jobs, but other than offers of porn and reality TV, she has not found work.

Dolezal still defends her “lifestyle” choice:

“For the first time in my life, I really decided consciously to be free from the repression, and free from feeling like I had to do things in a way that was acceptable to other people. I had the courage to be exactly who I was.” From that day on, Dolezal would be unambiguously and publicly black, and remains so to this day.

Wasn’t she lying? “The times that I tried to explain more, I wasn’t understood more. Nobody wanted to hear, ‘I’m pan-African, pro-black, bisexual, an artist, mother and educator.’ People would just be like, ‘Huh? What? What are you talking about?’ So I felt like by not talking about my biological ancestry, I gave people the opportunity to relate to me as an individual, not part of a group.”

But she was presenting herself as part of the “black” group, wasn’t she? “I do think a more complex label would be helpful, but we don’t really have that vocabulary. I feel like the idea of being trans-black would be much more accurate than ‘I’m white’. Because you know, I’m not white. There is a black side and a white side on all kinds of issues, whether it’s political, social, cultural. There’s a perspective, there’s a mentality, there’s a culture. To say that I’m black is to say, this is how I see the world, this is the philosophy, the history, this is what I love and what I honour. Calling myself black feels more accurate than saying I’m white.”

And in spite of all the hardship she has endured since having been exposed before the public as a white woman, Dolezal offers no apologies:

In all the intrigue and drama of her disgrace, does she think she’s done anything wrong? “No, I don’t. I don’t think you can do something wrong with your identity if you’re living in your authenticity, and I am. If I thought it was wrong, I would admit it. That’s easy to do, especially in America. Every politician, they’re like, ‘I’m sorry’ and then they just move on and everybody’s like, ‘Oh, they apologised and it’s all good’. Five minutes later, nobody remembers it. I’m not going to stoop and apologise and grovel and feel bad about it. I would just be going back to when I was little, and had to be what everybody else told me I should be – to make them happy.”

When I first wrote about Dolezal back in 2015, I said this:

Who are you to judge her for living out loud what she feels and believes is her own truth?? Don’t you know we’re not bound by anything as antiquated and restrictive as identity – be it gender or racial. It’s fluid. And who are you to make the determination of which identities one must remain wed to in their lives? Or maybe you and others just prefer to be selective in which white women you support who are seeking the freedom to be their perceived real selves.

However, according to commenters at the interview, I have it wrong:

Trans commentators have been incensed by the suggestion of parallels. “Transgender people transition out of medical necessity,” wrote one. “Dolezal’s ‘transition’ to black, on the other hand, is surrounded by layers of deception.” They argue that her colour was a choice, so cannot be analogous to their gender identity. But if we believe someone born without ovaries or a womb can be a woman, and accept radical surgery as a legitimate corrective necessity, is it so different for a woman who is born white but feels black to reposition herself on the racial spectrum?

It’s a brave crazy new world, people. Learn the rules, and try to keep up.

–Dana

241 Responses to “Rachel Dolezal Today: I don’t think you can do something wrong with your identity if you’re living in your authenticity”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (023079)

  2. Dolezal and Fouxahontas seem to be sisters under the skin.

    ropelight (de5f95)

  3. Good morning…☀️🌞😃

    I see trees of blue, black roses too
    They bloom for me, but not for you
    And I think to myself what a wonderful world
    I see skies of green, and clouds of beige
    There’s more in store, just turn the page
    And I think to myself what a wonderful world

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  4. Soul man isn’t supposed to be a midrl to emulate

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. It used to be “living the dream”
    now it is “living the lie”

    She hands out snakes when asked for bread.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  6. Exactly, Colonel.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  7. I can almost see the Trans commentators’ point, but if as a community they never pursue mental health issues as a possible explanation in some, if not most, cases of Transgenderism, then who are they to cast the first stone against a sister who thinks she’s black?

    Sean (41ed1e)

  8. Really, they should leave this lady alone.

    Under the law, your race is whatever you say it is. We no longer have government classifications of “white” and “negro” and “colored” and “quadroon” and “octaroon” and “dodecadroon” etc., etc., etc.. She can call herself whatever race she wants, and the people she associates with can accept it or not. As for her “white parents”, who can be sure there was not “an aboriginal in the fuel supply” at some point, near or distant, of her descent?

    Sex is a different matter. Under the law, it is what the doctor who examines you says it is.T

    Trannies will always be incensed by something or other. You cannot make the mentally ill happy.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. To say that I’m black is to say, this is how I see the world, this is the philosophy, the history, this is what I love and what I honour.

    And there’s left-wing identity politics in a nutshell – black people are all alike. So too are gays, women, the disabled, you name it, they all think alike and they all act alike. Anybody that doesn’t fit the mold, well, they’re just victims of false consciousness and self-hatred brought about by the straight white middle-class male hegemony. But that’s not stereotyping, not bigotry, not racism or sexism or anything bad. And don’t you straight white middle-class males start getting uppity with your ideas that if everybody else is playing the identity politics victim game you can play the game, too, it’s just patently silly nonsense when you say it.

    Jerryskids (3308c1)

  10. girlfriend is overthinking it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. #7

    I can almost see the Trans commentators’ point, but if as a community they never pursue mental health issues as a possible explanation in some, if not most, cases of Transgenderism, then who are they to cast the first stone against a sister who thinks she’s black?

    Sean (41ed1e) — 2/27/2017 @ 6:53 am

    Valid point – the vast majority of “traqnsgender ” are serious mental health issues which the mental health industry has falsey diagnosed with the “de jour” mental health diagnosis of the day. (similar to the represssed memory diagnosis).

    Also appears to be a lot of money to be made by the mental health industry to perpetuate the false diagnosis. Similar to Planned Parenthoods defense of abortion – PP doesnt defend abortion based principal, they defend thier prime revenue source

    Joe (debac0)

  12. gender fluid is fine as far as it goes but it’s the tranny’s responsibility to wipe it up i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. I am fast running out of patience with the whole “I was born one thing, but feel I’m really another” business. I have a Trans cousin, and another relative by marriage, and their are nice people, but they’re also confused, and I am less and less convinced that humoring their delusions is helping. When it comes to race – especially where claiming one race gets you preferential treatment – I have even less patience. Why is a woman who is a basically caucasian claiming to be black humored and a person claiming to be an elf considered a nut?

    OK, people; lets face facts; what you are born has a physical reality. People who deny physical reality tend to get crosswise of little things like gravity and end up squashed. I don’t flaming CARE if you are a guy and want to wear woman’s cloths. That’s cool. But you aren’t a woman, and anyone telling you that an operation can make you one is lying to you and encouraging you to mutilate yourself. If you are a boring white person, deal with it. Claiming you are black is no more sane than claiming you are Anastasia. You are either a nut or a fraud.

    Life is unfair and we don’t always get to be what we want to be. I wanted to be a basketball player, but I don’t have the reflexes; in fact I’m an awkward cuss. Oh, well. Cope. Don’t pretend. Don’t try to make the rest of us pander to your fantasy. Just. F*cking. COPE!

    C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37)

  14. Let’s say you need transfusion, and the doc
    gives you a quart of Castrol instead of Quaker State?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  15. In an effort to seemingly legitimatize body integrity identity disorder (apotemnophilia) so as not to “stigmatize” tyranny’s they also legitimatize those who want perfectly good legs, arms, digits removed or be blinded or crippled. These are all mental disorders but in their absolute desire to destroy all vestiges of Christian normalcy and Biblical teaching they are calling the crazy sane.

    If we allow them it is we who are the insane ones.

    They have the entire culture including the idiot politicians and fools on the judiciary (where do these idiots learn law?) demanding we all not only recognize a mental illness is “normal” but make special allowances for this abnormality, never point out that it’s abnormal and in some cases participate and finance this insanity.

    The left has created a psychotic culture in America in order to eliminate God and Freedom. They’re doing a good job of it too.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  16. Laura Linney in a drama, perhaps Kaley Cuoco in a comedy/raunch. And certainly a 1980s Streep.

    urbanleftbehind (c8adc7)

  17. In a time when a young man wins the Girl’s Texas state wrestling championship, this is only the beginning.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  18. Cain’t have a dude whuppin’ on teh womenfolk, ‘taint kosher!

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  19. Greetings:

    You’ve left me thinking that homelessness and food stamps might be a tad too good for her.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  20. Actually 11B40, she’s perfectly qualified to be a state rep in California.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  21. “Really, they should leave this lady alone.

    Under the law, your race is whatever you say it is. We no longer have government classifications of “white” and “negro” and “colored” and “quadroon” and “octaroon” and “dodecadroon” etc., etc., etc.. She can call herself whatever race she wants, and the people she associates with can accept it or not. As for her “white parents”, who can be sure there was not “an aboriginal in the fuel supply” at some point, near or distant, of her descent?”

    – nk

    I agree. The idea that there’s a concrete reality to racial classifications has never been anything but a tool of oppression. I was surprised that more people didn’t embrace Ms. Dolezal’s position, to be perfectly honest. I would have thought that a “white” person actively choosing to identify with the “black” community would have been seen as an opportunity for respectful dialogue, rather than something to be denigrated. But respectful dialogue is not an American strength these days.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  22. “I wanted to be a basketball player, but I don’t have the reflexes; in fact I’m an awkward cuss. Oh, well. Cope. Don’t pretend. Don’t try to make the rest of us pander to your fantasy. Just. F*cking. COPE!”

    – C.S.P. Schofield

    If you want to be a basketball player, go play basketball. Boom: you’re a basketball player. You may not be able to play professionally, but if you play the game and you’re part of the culture and it’s important to you then that is part of your identity.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  23. The funny thing is, this is such an easy point to deconstruct:

    A child is born to one white parent and one black parent: is the child black? Is the child white? Is the child both? And what makes the child black, white, or both?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  24. Clarence King, a friend of Teddy Roosevelt and Henry James among others, and a minor historical figure himself, who passed as a black man passing as a white man so he could marry and raise a family with a black woman in the “miscegenation” days.

    nk (dbc370)

  25. “Eeny meeny miney moe
    Catch teh Rachel by the toe
    If she holler let her go
    If she don’t, she do the loose booty
    Loose booty
    Skin it back and play wit’ it
    Loose booty
    Construct twist
    Loose booty
    Nonsense!
    Loose booty
    Rachel girl went up a hill
    To get a pail of water
    She fell down and broke her crown
    Ain’t no one’s daughter
    She did the loose booty
    Loose booty
    Skin it back and play wit’ it
    Loose booty
    Construct twist
    Loose booty
    Nonsense!
    Loose booty

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  26. Read as much of it as your attention spans can take. It’s educational.

    nk (dbc370)

  27. From nk’s article:

    “Marriage to a white man would have been very difficult,” she explains. “She would have been ostracized — by other black people, as well as white people.” Conversely, given the assumptions and prejudices of the age, “marriage to a very light-skinned African-American would have seemed to her a step up in the world.”

    This was part of my frustration with the Dolezal episode: that people who identified as “black” didn’t take the opportunity to embrace another person who identified as “black.”

    I identify as a New Mexican. Even though I wasn’t born in New Mexico, I have lived here for almost my entire life. If someone were to tell me that I wasn’t a real New Mexican because I wasn’t born here, that would sound ridiculous. And if someone were to come here from another state, and find true affinity for the place, and start identifying as a New Mexican, I would be happy about that and embrace that person.

    Same should go for all you folks who identify as Americans, by the way.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  28. Greetings, Leviticus: ( @ 27 (efada1) — 2/27/2017 @ 8:54 am )

    Por que no Nuevo Mexicano ???

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  29. go fund me

    mg (31009b)

  30. Leviticus,

    Really great point of view. Not sure why people should care so much whether someone is black.

    But I think I know what’s going on. Some folks are afraid that when immigrants come in, they will take resources and benefits away. Their welfare checks! Or just more debt for the country to pay off. The push to stop immigration is essentially greed (and some level of greed is self-preservation).

    Same with race today. Ms. Dolezal was in academia, and being black in academia might be seen as infringing on a precious resource of admissions decisions, money, roles on committees, and in the most extreme examples, even grades.

    So the problem of her identifying as a race is seemingly harmless, except to those who have made race valuable. To you and me, once race shouldn’t be more valuable than another, but to a lot of folks, this is a critical part of power they need to endlessly fight for justice.

    —-

    Hey Haiku, you should return to the thread where you were mentioning my ethnicity and where I live so you can answer my question as to why you found those things relevant. My view is that you’re a racist troll, like many alt-right losers, and you should identify yourself by name if you’re really not ashamed of your actions.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  31. Despite self identifying as Black, Dolezal chose to live overwhelmingly white communities in Idaho and Washington State. There she impressed a lot of gullible white liberals, gaining both jobs and political appointments due to her supposed minority status. That looks less like mental illness and more like a con to me.

    NC Mountain Girl (cfa359)

  32. errybody need to stay in the buckit what the Good Lord sawed fit to put em in

    STAY IN UR BUCKIT

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. It does look like a con. Gaming the system.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  34. Can a society / culture which even pretends to take such idiocy seriously endure for long?

    I rather fear that when the bedrock of capital-R “Reality” is dynamited out of existence, everything built upon the remaining rubble will be mighty unstable.

    ‘Gods of the Copybook Headings’, and all … They *DO* eventually return.

    Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah (51d252)

  35. NC Mountain Girl,

    You’re right on one level, yet why is this a problem?

    But if I went from my slum and presented myself as a classy banker guy, in a tie and with a hairstyle that I don’t actually like, with vocabulary I don’t normally use, in order to get a good job at a credit union where I worked my way up to manager, buying a house in a ‘banker’ neighborhood (I know that’s stupid), would I be conning everyone?

    That’s a lot like what Dolezal did. She found the fashion of her professional environment required her to be a different identity. She says she just naturally feels this way, but if we assume you’re right, she just was adapting to the fashion of success.

    You might point out that if she’s a liar, this should be a problem in and of itself, and that’s right.

    But beyond that, the real problem is that race is still a factor in how people are treating eachother.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  36. “Can a society / culture which even pretends to take such idiocy seriously endure for long?”

    We may see that in our lifetimes…

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  37. Dustin, you are presenting conduct as opposed to genetics. Our silly governments still pay reparations to descendants of maltreated minorities, through various protected status and set aside programs.

    Dolezal did not merely take on conduct to pass, she lied about belonging to a genetically determined protected class – in order to represent that class.

    The level of self deception in her life is monumental, sure. But she consciously deceived others, an employer would be foolish to trust her in any capacity beyond menial.

    Steven Malynn (d29fc3)

  38. Well, you’ve got to ignore her black husband for that theory. And the son she had with him. Or are they just tokens to help her advance her career, too?

    nk (dbc370)

  39. Steven,

    Absolutely right. The dishonesty breaks my scenario apart. I mentioned that but want to overlook it just for the purpose of talking about race. In no way would I ever hire a liar. Rachel is trying to say her conversion to black was authentic and honest, and if someone wants to believe that they can, though I think Trump has some waterfront property to sell them if they believe that.

    Our silly governments still pay reparations to descendants of maltreated minorities, through various protected status and set aside programs.

    This is what I actually want to talk about, and this is why people are really upset with Dolezal. Why are we treating one race differently from another? Because there’s power there. It is silly.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  40. Lots of things are genetically determined, including skin color. Making a genetic trait a “class,” as Steven Malynn puts it, is (obviously) the problematic part.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  41. We could use Elizabeth Warren as an example of we don’t agree on Rachel. Rachel has paid for her sins by becoming a national punchline so I’m not really mad at her.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  42. Dolezal’s conduct was only “dishonest” if she is not actually “black,” and that begs the crucial question.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  43. I normally wouldn’t give a farthing but she is cited as an authority:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445264/washington-post-sebastian-gorka-liberal-paper-smears-trump-adviser

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. We have a similar discussion in our household regarding race and ethnicity. My wife is hispanic, and I’m a mutt: Native American—enough to qualify if I were to pursue it, Hungarian Gypsy, Hispanic, French, and German. Those little checkboxes on applications for our kids are hilarious to fill out, and even more hilarious to explain when someone asks.

    Sean (1d5074)

  45. I think Dolezal and Warren are apples and oranges, Dustin. The indications are that Dolezal lived her identity – are there any similar indications with Warren?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  46. She owes her position to misrepresentation and academic fraud as well.

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. Same questions, folks: is the child of a “black” parent and a “white” parent a “white” child or a “black” child? Or both? Or neither? What does it depend on?

    People don’t want to answer these questions because there are no right answers to these questions, and people don’t want to let go of the construct of race.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  48. “She owes her position to misrepresentation and academic fraud as well.”

    – narciso

    It’s only a misrepresentation or an academic fraud if she is not actually “black.” So you’re still begging the question.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  49. Her early research on bankruptcy, her leading critic is dead now. Alas

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. I will be very interested to see if anyone actually attempts to answer the questions I’ve posed above.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  51. . I would have thought that a “white” person actively choosing to identify with the “black” community would have been seen as an opportunity for respectful dialogue, rather than something to be denigrated. But respectful dialogue is not an American strength these days.
    Leviticus (efada1) — 2/27/2017 @ 8:36 am

    Aside from the fact she wasn’t “denigrated”, she was called out on a lie, most Americans are fine with dialogue. I think “most Americans” don’t like being told up is down, black is white, boy is girl, good is bad. IOW, “most Americans don’t like, resist and hopefully don’t fall for Newspeak.

    The way things are today with politically correct Newspeak if one disagrees the dialogue rapidly degenerates to “racist, white supremacist, white nationalist, alt-right, Nazi” name calling. Who the hell wants to endure that crap just to talk. So therefore, the left wins.

    Case in point

    Hey Haiku, you should return to the thread where you were mentioning my ethnicity and where I live so you can answer my question as to why you found those things relevant. My view is that you’re a racist troll, like many alt-right losers, and you should identify yourself by name if you’re really not ashamed of your actions.

    BTW, Dustin, the “Not sure why people should care so much whether someone is black.” crowd are usually the ones with racial consciousness tattooed on their foreheads. The reason why people do care whether someone is black or not is because the left has used being black to beat white people over the head for everything from college admissions to voter ID. The left made “being black” important. In a word: quotas.

    When I was a young man returning from Vietnam I was told I would have to wait to join the Phila. police force where I applied. They had a mandate to hire X number of blacks so regardless that I got a perfect score on my exam ….it mattered if I was black.

    I also had applied to two Philly colleges and one in NJ. The one in NJ accepted me. The two in Philly did not because they had to increase their black student body by 50% before they could consider “anyone” else….it mattered if I was black.

    In 1995 I applied for an SBA loan and was told they were only granting loans at that time for blacks, women and handicapped applicants……so even then I guess it mattered if I was black.

    Oddly, it doesn’t matter to me. It doesn’t matter that my first wife was a Jew, or my second is an Asian. It doesn’t matter that unless you are an immigration attorney, I’ve gotten more immigrants green cards and citizenship than those pro-immigrant protesters who run around virtue signaling while we do the heavy lifting. I’ve been helping immigrants since my early restaurant days and even put a couple through school and helped them build their own restaurants. I help Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Tai and other Asians today with my wife who herself employs over 40 of them at her salons. If they’re not legal we help get them legal. Get them green cards and help them become proud American citizens. And I guarantee you if I get into a discussion today with a leftist anywhere at any time after five minutes he’ll be saying: “racist, white supremacist, white nationalist, alt-right, Nazi”. Guaranteed.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  52. “Aside from the fact she wasn’t “denigrated”, she was called out on a lie, most Americans are fine with dialogue. ”

    – Rev. Hoagie

    A) She absolutely was denigrated;
    B) It was only a “lie” if she wasn’t actually “black” – a question that no one here seems willing to address; and
    C) No, most Americans are not “fine” with dialogue.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  53. Dolezal’s conduct was only “dishonest” if she is not actually “black,” and that begs the crucial question.

    Leviticus

    This is Trump’s America where cynicism is never wrong.

    Same questions, folks: is the child of a “black” parent and a “white” parent a “white” child or a “black” child? Or both? Or neither? What does it depend on?

    We all know this is commonly black because black was lower status in the minds of those who had power. Black lineage was like an impurity. This is a horrible way to see things.

    I’d say “both”. But not for some social justice or moral reason. It’s just both because it’s more useful for language. All of us are have heritage from different places and someone will say they are “Irish and Polish” or “Spanish and Turkish” because they take ownership of each, rather than the majority. Sean’s kid can check a bunch of boxes.

    The folly is that this isn’t “what you are.” There really is no race. We’re all an extremely complex heritage. We all probably originate around the same place if not the same specific individual mutation in some smartass monkey hundreds of thousands of years ago (he probably looked like Trump).

    But we don’t want to all be brothers. We want to ascend a ladder, so we need to make sure there’s a ladder. If society rejected the old ladder where the more pure your white blood was, the better, we replaced it with a different ladder that Ms Dolezal was either coincidentally or perhaps deliberately going up.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  54. Race is not a construct. It is the result of social constructs that can be lumped as “marrying the girl next door”. Developed when travel was by foot and the tribe over the hill was the competitor for food (and possibly food) and vice versa. And there are genetic differences which can be classified as “race” as a result. But that is a matter for biologists, ethnologists and hematologists. Not for a society which believes in equality in the eyes of God and in the eyes of the law.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. Her accomplice in that endeavor was Sullivan, who presided over the witchhunt at uva.

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. She’s a con and she thought she knew how to take the system.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  57. Ada, however, found nothing particularly clandestine about her domestic life. She might sometimes find it hard to understand why she never met her husband’s family or friends,

    That’s why he said he was from the West Indies. That also explained his education, and why he had always been free.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  58. Good answers, Dustin. Thanks for grappling with the questions, I think it’s important.

    If a person can be both “white” and “black,” as your answer indicates, do you think this can only be a function of the skin color of the person’s parents? The cultural identity of the person’s parents? Society’s view of the “race” of the person’s parents?

    You see my point, of course: “race” is an extremely simple thing to deconstruct. As “Americans,” we refuse to deconstruct “race” because a plurality of interests find the concept to be useful to their political agendas.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  59. You ever “harbored”, if even for a night or 2, Reverend? My family did, on 2 occasions in the late 70s, but the famous Chicago Blizzard of ’79 scared one so bad, he decamped to Texas.

    urbanleftbehind (c8adc7)

  60. “And there are genetic differences which can be classified as “race” as a result. ”

    – nk

    There are genetic characteristics that we associate with the “races” that we have created, but that’s not the same thing.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  61. “She’s a con and she thought she knew how to take the system.”

    – Colonel Haiku

    She’s only a con if she’s not actually “black.” Show me, don’t tell me.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  62. I went through a time in my youth where I was dating black women exclusively. Maybe things would have gone better if I had claimed to be black, but I really don’t think so.

    “Wherever you go, there you are.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  63. What was really in limited supply was leadership positions in the NAACP – and while, there was nothing in its rules that says what race an official had to be, nevertheless it made a difference.

    And she was so adamant about things.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  64. Hoagie,

    I simply asked Haiku a question. Why was my ethnicity relevant to him in repeated comments? It seemed like he was bringing it up just to mock it, with no actual relevance to anything. If so, I think he’s a racist troll. He says he’s not ashamed, and I think when a troll says that, you should ask them what their real name is, because that shuts the racism down (and that seems to have worked but I’m going to keep asking).

    Thank you, Hoagie, for the opportunity to bring this up again. You’re complaining about leftist agenda, complaining that you’re going to be called a Nazi, and complaining about virtue signalling. Somewhere along the line you mentioned you were rejected in college because you weren’t black and again mentioned you served in Vietnam. I don’t get this part of your comment and don’t want to be disrespectful in responding to something I don’t understand. Thanks for your service.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  65. 38. nk (dbc370) — 2/27/2017 @ 9:55 am

    38.Well, you’ve got to ignore her black husband for that theory. And the son she had with him. Or are they just tokens to help her advance her career, too?

    It depends which came first. Did she pretend to be black to hold on to her husband, or did she get involved with her husband in order to hold on to her blackness?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  66. But you see, her theories underpinned the stimimuls, thorobertscare, and the consumer bureau, red queen was.

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. Sorry that was warren,I don’t know dolezal’s contribution, nor do i care to.

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. “It depends which came first. Did she pretend to be black to hold on to her husband, or did she get involved with her husband in order to hold on to her blackness?”

    – Sammy Finkelman

    Or, did she marry someone with whom she identified on a very fundamental level that happened to include being “black”?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  69. Cain’s genes are still surviving.

    nk (dbc370)

  70. If a person can be both “white” and “black,” as your answer indicates, do you think this can only be a function of the skin color of the person’s parents? The cultural identity of the person’s parents? Society’s view of the “race” of the person’s parents?

    You see my point, of course: “race” is an extremely simple thing to deconstruct. As “Americans,” we refuse to deconstruct “race” because a plurality of interests find the concept to be useful to their political agendas.

    Leviticus (efada1) — 2/27/2017 @ 10:29 am

    To answer your first question, I think it’s hard to be consistent. What makes me American, or Persian, or Russian or British? Cultural identity, geography of birth, even politics? Not this ‘one drop of black blood’ standard of old.

    I think an adopted child is part of his adopted family. He’s grown up in that culture and it’s who he is. But we don’t switch white and black in those circumstances (and I know many resist even crossing race in adoption for this reason).

    It’s pretty clear to me that race is a figment of imagination, and culture is real. If I could just upend how we talk about race, I think we would just talk about historical trends in how people live, what they enjoy and believed, and put ourselves where we want to be on those lines, and just abandon talking about ‘that asian got my job and that black got my seat in college’. But I can’t do that. Those forces make powerful differences in people’s lives. That’s why folks are so skeptical of Rachel Dolezal whether they can prove her cynicism or not.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  71. Dustin @65 Veterans are supposed to get preferences in civil service and some other things since about 1945. Here, he not only didn’t get a preference, he was on the losing end of a preference (the nature of which was at least supposed to be illegal, and probably now again would be regarded as in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.)

    They didn’t have a method of selection that resulted in so many and so many African Americams etc. What they did was they picked people the same old way, and then they had to fill all the rest of the spots with blacks. It amounted to it being that the quota for whites was filled. I think with the Phaladelphia police department there was some kind of lawsuit which Nixon settled. Or maybe that was with construction.

    http://www.blackpast.org/aah/philadelphia-plan-1967

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  72. Her pantomine, is relevant to her position on the police teviee commission.

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. “If I could just upend how we talk about race, I think we would just talk about historical trends in how people live, what they enjoy and believed, and put ourselves where we want to be on those lines, and just abandon talking about ‘that asian got my job and that black got my seat in college’. But I can’t do that. Those forces make powerful differences in people’s lives.”

    – Dustin

    I know what you’re saying – but it’s gotta start somewhere.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  74. I certainly agree with you that culture is real in a way that race is not.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  75. “Her pantomine, is relevant to her position on the police teviee commission.”

    – narciso

    It’s only a “pantomime” if she’s not “black.” Show me, don’t tell me.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  76. ‘Este tipo es testarudo’ you are stubborn, fine pretend unicorns exist.

    narciso (d1f714)

  77. I’m just asking questions, narciso. If you have any answers, I’d love to see them.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  78. Obama really failed us in his promise to be a leader on race relations. The USA was primed for someone to tell us to just drop it. Obama’s 2004 speech was along those lines and it’s why he became president.

    He should have gone around the nation with speeches, as our black president, telling us that we need to move on from the mistakes of the past, learn from them, but stop the cycle of race, which is a cycle of control and resentment. For every guy who didn’t get into college because he wasn’t black, there’s a guy who got whipped because he didn’t pick cotton, only to see his daughter sold off and moved away. We can go on like this, or we can choose to not go on like that. Obama’s legacy was right there, waiting for him to pick it up.

    Instead, he decided he looked like Trayvon’s dad, the cops acted stupidly, etc etc, taking the easy, familiar, road. His legacy is basically that he was a lot more presidential than Trump (but his legacy is also that he was such a failure he was replaced with such a solid rejection of his presidency as top birther Trump).

    What a failure Obama was!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  79. Phasing puyallups

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/devin-nunes-house-russia-investigation

    Of course not Dustin his mentors were derrick bell, reverend wright and frank davis

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/751/509/1744411

    In 1970, classes of black plaintiffs instituted a broad-based attack on the Police Department’s employment practices. Some two years after the suit was initiated and after extensive hearings, the district court held that the then-used entrance examination had a disparate impact upon blacks and was not validated as job-related. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. O’Neill, 348 F. Supp. 1084 (E.D.Pa.1972), aff’d in part, 473 F.2d 1029 (3d Cir. 1973).

    In consequence, the City sought the assistance of Educational Testing Service (ETS) to create and validate a new written exam. Several more rounds of litigation, focusing on other dimensions of the hiring and promotion process, ensued. Fourteen years after the action was brought, the parties finally submitted, and the court approved, a consent decree. The consent decree committed the defendants to continue retention of ETS (or a similar organization) for purposes of developing a non-discriminatory examination. 100 F.R.D. 354, 362 (E.D.Pa. 1983), aff’d mem., 746 F.2d 1465 & 1466 (3d Cir.1984).

    It also provided that the City, in order to correct the disparate effects of the entrance test, would hire a specified number of black applicants, in addition to those selected in rank order. Id. at 357.

    But that was in the 1980s.

    The argument was that the test was not sufficiently job related and this discriminated against blacks because more blacks had poorer education, and the remedy suggested was not a more job related test, but a quota.

    Let’s see Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. O’Neill, 348 F. Supp. 1084

    http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/348/1084/2011097/

    Federal Judge John P. Fullam (he’s still alive, aged 95. He went on senior status on April 1, 1990 and stepped down altogether on April 15, 2011, at age 89.

    Five and one-half days of hearing were held, at the conclusion of which, on May 26, 1972, I entered an interim order temporarily restraining the defendants from hiring any policemen except as required to fill vacancies which existed on March 1, 1972. In hiring to fill such vacancies, the defendants were required to hire at least one black applicant for every two white applicants. 345 F. Supp. 305. Defendants have appealed from this order, and in the interim have decided *1087 not to conduct any hiring. On June 8, the Court of Appeals denied defendants’ application for a stay of the order; the appeal is still pending.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  81. speaking of race
    did anyone see the daytona 500?
    wow, car crashes all over the place
    some of those guys need a refresher course in safe driving

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  82. Yes and the Mexico bound plane landing at the airport was a close call,

    narciso (d1f714)

  83. You hit the nail on the head, Hoagie. You started from a position of being disadvantaged by their attempts to right past wrongs on the backs of people who had nothing to do with those acts and made it work for you. You also did your best to help those in need of help instead of posturing and running your mouth. You walked the walk.

    I’ve found that quite often, when people write or talk about themselves, and write about their pure hearts, honesty, integrity and virtuous intentions, in truth, they aren’t describing themselves. They’re painting a portrait of the type of person they would like to be and be perceived by others as being. What they would like to be generally highlights what they are currently falling well short of being. Doers do, talkers talk.

    This lady has attempted to game the system. It worked for a while and then it was exposed for the con it is. It’s plain to see, except for those who like to facilitate confusion around biology.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  84. He stepped down when he got benchslapped in 2011.

    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1559666.html

    On grounds it would prejudice the jury, he refused to let it be informed as to why possession of a firearm by the defendant would be illegal, since the defendant has stipulated to it.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  85. Trump Supporter, any theories on why the winner of that race was a white man? I think it was Kurt Busch, a guy who has worked his way up from rock bottom.

    Sports are one of those areas that seem to reinforce the reality of race.

    Basketball is dominated by black athletes. Motorsports are dominated by white drivers.

    One of the best drivers in the world, Lewis Hamilton, is black. Is it really still a difference in wealth that explains it? If it were raw physical traits I would expect more black swimming champions, but again wealth gives access to swimming pools.

    that was my best effort to turn a dumb comment into something that contributed to a great discussion thread

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  86. Dolezal lied about who her parents were.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  87. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/321345-falsifying-history-at-the-personal-level

    The critics have shown remarkably bad judgment in The past

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. Haiku,

    that’s a fascinating comment because you’re saying someone talking the talk is proving where they are lacking, but praising someone who… talked the talk. Because that’s all we can do on the internet.

    Hoagie’s criticism of my “virtue signaling”, which you are saying ‘hits the nail on the head’ is according to you, a sign that I’m a big talker and am actually lacking in virtue. I’m evil!

    Where did that come from? You’re taking an awfully long road around to insulting me. If you’re a doer and not a talker, do answer my question: why you were mocking my ethnicity repeatedly? Take the action of owning your comments and explaining them. You said that stuff. You said you weren’t ashamed of it. You brought it up. What was your point? Do you think certain races deserve mockery for being that race? It’s a straight-up question… why the weird passive aggressive response via Hoagie?

    I think you’re wrong anyway. People who praise and demonstrate certain values are showing who they are. People who bash others are the ones who are probably lacking something in themselves. Your ugliness and dishonesty to those who preach kindness is a very bad sign for how you’re doing as a man, and says nothing negative at all about those who are kind, or think racism, sexism, violence (or whatever) is wrong.

    I think it’s only because you have a peculiar style of commenting where you’re very dishonest and passive aggressive, that you think everyone is being dishonest. Maybe Leviticus really means what he’s saying about race, and isn’t a closet racist. Maybe I really think Milo is a sicko, and am not a secret pervert. But maybe you, the only guy here that’s been a proven liar, really are dishonest and on campaigns to harass people with the ‘wrong’ politics. Maybe you’re just special that way.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  89. Now sin e it was alluded I was defending sexual assaults maybe I am not the right person to ask, the strigoi at breitbart unmasked were the ones who burned you, Dustin,

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. its nice that Hoagie was so supportive of the illegal immigrants who worked for him – helping them to get citizenship and all. I’m sure that’s his policy towards all illegal immigrants who want to become Americans: that they should be assisted in their efforts.

    Leviticus (d4d726)

  91. Dana’s post reminds me that blood is thicker than water, and I think Dolezal’s parents were jackasses. Her story is a lot more complex than we really know. She grew up with black siblings and her parents didn’t just wake up one day and decide to ruin her life. There’s a background there. Easy to judge the girl but I hope she lands on her feet and then is forgotten by society.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  92. she need to git back in her buckit

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  93. Leviticus,

    Way back when, I was a waiter (and a terrible waiter… the worst!). My boss loved employing illegals because he had tremendous leverage over them. He could change their duties quickly, could pay them a $5 bill out of his pocket. He went out of business and I’m glad because I would definitely see him brought to justice if he were still doing that stuff today. He was a criminal, but the statute of limitations has long tolled. Thing is, as evil as the cheapskate boss was being, I have nothing but love for the illegals themselves. They were working so much harder than me, just to provide for their families. They were following the money and I can’t blame them. It’s on the people who employ illegals that we have that problem.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  94. Dustin, I don’t blame Hoagie for employing undocumented immigrants, or for helping them to become citizens (and I’m not saying that you do either). I think that’s laudable behavior, and it makes me think that Hoagie treated his employees well. I think it raises a question, though, about his stance towards undocumented immigrants that aren’t in his employ.

    Leviticus (d4d726)

  95. Lol… WTF

    Great work, Hoagie!

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  96. Oh I’m glad Hoagie is nothing like the boss I was talking about. Hoagie was a veteran and I think he said he was a cop (or at least wanted to be). The boss I’m talking about was a guy who was born wealthy and didn’t ever do anything to serve his country or community. and Hoagie talks passionately about his compassion for illegal immigrants, and how good it is to make them citizens, which isn’t really what the boss I had in mind was thinking. He probably wanted those guys to stay illegal forever, because they stay cheap that way.

    But the issue with illegal immigration really is a matter of getting employers to stop employing these folks. That’s where the enforcement really needs to focus. A wall won’t do anything. We’ve got a lot of oceanfront, airports, etc.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  97. Lol… WTF

    Great work, Hoagie!

    Colonel Haiku

    Are you ever going to answer my question, Haiku? It’s a straight question. You said you were not ashamed of what you said. What did you mean by it?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  98. Dolezal gamed the system. It worked well for her, right up until it didn’t.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  99. I hope she straightens herself out. It can’t be any fun being homeless and living on food stamps.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  100. Haiku, you were very bold about your racism. Now you’re not so bold. Why can’t you explain what you meant in those comments? I hadn’t been in the thread for hours when you were saying that stuff and it’s kinda like you talked a lot of smack behind my back, but when I show up, you’re going to go cower in the corner.

    Let’s talk about it, and what’s going on in your head. Why do you think my ethnicity is a joke?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  101. Former President George W. Bush said Monday “we all need answers” on the extent of contact between President Donald Trump’s team and the Russian government, and didn’t rule out the idea that a special prosecutor could be necessary to lead an investigation.

    BOOM

    I miss Bush!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  102. al sharpton is in ‘da house

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  103. No Trump Supporter / Self Imposed referee on all disputes relating to the Alt-right (and so consistently on their side).

    I think Al Sharpton was dishonest, and didn’t try to understand the people he complained about. I’m just asking Haiku to explain his own words, himself. I interpreted them to mean he thinks my race is something to be mocked for no reason other than it’s a race he dislikes. He’s not saying I’m wrong, he’s just saying he isn’t ashamed of what he said (after apologizing… you can see why I’m confused).

    This is a discussion board, Trump Supporter. If you say something on a discussion board, it’s fair game for others to discuss it. Haiku is not a victim when the points he raise are embarrassing to him.

    I suspect that you guys are tired of arguing about Trump’s behavior, and want to lash out at his “nevertrumper” critics, and Haiku’s efforts to shut me down have backfired. Now I want to talk a lot. A WHOLE LOT.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  104. Levitcus,

    Do you believe the natural heterogeneous distribution of heritable traits which affect hiring practices in the NBA should be subject to examination on the basis of discrimination?

    Rick Ballard (2d3a64)

  105. Yes lets review the October surprise, or the investors in hearken energy. Or how close he was to Ken lay.

    narciso (d1f714)

  106. That’s like saying water is wet, his first major debut was the Bradley affair, his second was Freddy’s fashion mart, there were other instances of mendacity and incightment

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. dustin, you need a hug from mother
    and maybe a nice cup of tea

    your obsession with race is spiking your blood pressure

    nobody can shut you down from talking
    the evidence exists

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  108. It would be kinda sweet if Dolezal hooked up with Shaun King…

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  109. In a just world, that would happen.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  110. Like most people who may appear supportive of illegal immigrants, I’m sure it was because “p—y” was on the line, whether directly or indirectly.

    urbanleftbehind (397378)

  111. Rick Ballard,

    No, I don’t.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  112. “#NeverTrumper and Departed “Heat Street” Editor Louise Mensch: Not Only Did Russia Hack the Elections, They Assassinated Andrew Breitbart, Too”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368602.php

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  113. Sounds like some of the crazy plots alleged to rove, about a decade back

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/27/leaked-audio-reveals-anti-trump-forces-manufacturing-hostile-town-hall

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. Which w is the real one:

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/258406/

    narciso (d1f714)

  115. I self-identify as the Emperor of the Known Universe. Once I set up a P.O. Box, I will expect appropriate tithes.

    B.A. DuBois (cb3214)

  116. dustin, you need a hug from mother
    and maybe a nice cup of tea

    your obsession with race is spiking your blood pressure

    nobody can shut you down from talking
    the evidence exists

    Trump SupporterSupporter

    Your need to insult people who disagree with you isn’t even creative. It’s just the same dumb stuff. But I appreciate it as it gives me a convenient excuse to discuss this again. Thank you.

    You’re mistaken. I’m not obsessed with race. Any honest reader here knows I do not consider race to be a real thing and I don’t go around pointing out how I have friends who are this race or I have employees who are that race or I helped a guy with that race or I mocked a guy with that race. I just ain’t wired that way. Race is nothing. It’s maybe like hair color sometimes, at most. I’ve been criticizing race hustlers here for many years.

    And Haiku has been bringing my race up for several years too. He’s being dishonest about it. You’re mad that I’m talking about a subject that he keeps bringing up, with absolutely no reason and usually not even a comment from me. It’s just my existence at this blog that triggers his mockery of my heritage. He’s not denying that’s what he did. He kinda painted himself in a corner with his excuses when I pointed out he appeared to be referencing my last name (which I absolutely contend he was doing). He did reference where I live and he did reference my race. That’s not in dispute. That is not acceptable to me and I’m going to continue asking him why he did that until he answers to my satisfaction.

    Haiku complained that he thinks he’s being funny and he’s not ashamed of it. I think the best response to racist trolls is to ask them their names and then watch them squirm. And boy has he in this thread.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  117. Its always striking what stories are dialed to eleventy, and which go down the memory hole. Regardless if there is evidence or no4t.

    narciso (d1f714)

  118. Don’t know if they can tie anything yet to PsITA, but this is interesting…

    “A LINK BETWEEN BACK PAIN AND EARLY MORTALITY? Well, the study involved people over 70, so not early early.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/258326/

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  119. 106. narciso (d1f714) — 2/27/2017 @ 12:34 pm

    Yes lets review the October surprise, or the investors in hearken energy. Or how close he was to Ken lay.

    Harken Energy.

    I looked into that many years ago. Bill Clinton set George W Bush up, so he could let other people accuse George HW Bush of corruption.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB938472015689477544

    From Oil to Baseball To the Governor’s Mansion

    Updated Sept. 28, 1999 12:01 a.m. ET

    By Micah Morrison, a Journal editorial page writer.

    ….Harken’s Bahrain deal was also a piece of exceptional luck. It raised oil-industry eyebrows when the government of that Persian Gulf state announced it had chosen tiny Harken to explore an offshore site for gas and oil. Harken appeared to have little to offer the Bahrainis. It had no overseas experience and no experience with offshore drilling. Bahrain officials have since said they had no idea President Bush’s son was associated with Harken, a claim oil-industry sources ridicule. Former Harken exploration chief Monte Swetnam told the New York Times earlier this year that there “was never a question” that Bahraini officials knew about Mr. Bush and that they “were clearly aware that he was the President’s son.”

    The Bahrain deal was brokered in part by Arkansas investment banker David Edwards, one of Bill Clinton’s closest friends. Formerly an employee of Arkansas investment powerhouse Stephens Inc., Mr. Edwards now runs his own firm in Little Rock and has wide connections in the Middle East. At the start of President Clinton’s first term, he brokered a $23 million Saudi contribution for a Middle East studies center at the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  120. I didn’t have to wait till 1999 to figure that out, because you could 2 and 2 together from Forbes and other magazine articles from 1991 and 1992. Bill Clinto, via David Edwards, tossed money to George W. Bush because that could be a possible weapon in the 1992 election.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  121. 107. narciso (d1f714) — 2/27/2017 @ 12:37 pm

    That’s like saying water is wet, his first major debut was the Bradley affair, his second was Freddy’s fashion mart, there were other instances of mendacity and incightment

    Tawana i> Brawley affair, not Bradley. In 1987.

    At least Dustin understands that water is wet. There might be some people who don’t go so far. You should congratulate him.

    I think Al Sharpton understood the people he was complaining about perfectly, but he didn’t want other people to.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  122. Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/27/2017 @ 10:52 am

    What makes me American, or Persian, or Russian or British?

    According to the U.S. Census Bureau, all of these ancestries belong in the same box.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  123. Sharpton sure cared a lot about race, whether there was a reason to or not. When Sharpton was called out for his racist BS, he simply refused to answer. If I recall Sharpton even dodged the legal consequences of what he did. Sharpton would not dignify the folks he lashed out against by answering them directly.

    Who is Sharpton reminding you of?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  124. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, all of these ancestries belong in the same box.

    Sammy Finkelman

    Haha, true. That’s a complicated issue though. The Caucasus mountain racial classification was intended to promote a euro-centric load of crap. The negroid, mongoloid, caucasoid groups are simply politics of a long ago era, with no empirical basis. The end result was that the Germans had the purest form, the whitest skin, of the caucasoid group. Blumenbach coined the term “white race” in this research.

    Strangely enough, Blumenbach was himself a German. Would you imagine that?

    I would reject his work entirely, except that I do think there’s a lot to craniometry (using skulls to track lineage and genetic changes over long periods of time). I do not care about race and consider the entire concept to be simple and manipulative.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  125. Her color might be a choice but I’m sure a DNA test would turn up some African heritage

    Israel (783798)

  126. I think discussions of race like this are largely like the “nature v. nurture” debates. There really are three races (no, Hispanic is not a real race but a made up category the census bureau dreamed up), with different physical characteristics. A forensic analyst can tell the race of a person from just examining the bones for instance. I wouldn’t swear it’s true, but I’ve been told the reason there are not many black swimmers is because their bones are more dense and so heavier. There are differences in the shape of the skull.

    That said, I agree that culture is vastly more influential on the individual than their race. For instance Asians are generally known for being in the upper categories of intelligence, but that probably has little to do with being mongoloid, and more to do with cultural traits that encourage them to study harder. Diet too is a likely contributor to IQ. But then again, just being born from a lineage of Asians, a product of generations of their culture, would have their characteristics thereby influenced a la Darwin I would think.

    It’s only human to seek identity, in fact I would argue it’s essential to being human. And where we come from, our lineage, is a big part of our identity. There’s nothing wrong with identifying and even being proud of your lineage, as long as we keep a proper perspective on its importance to who we are. After all, there are brilliant and accomplished blacks, and worthless scumbag whites. Their respective race has little to do with it.

    Speaking of this idea of identity, I think therein lies much of the angst of those black Americans descended from slaves. I can tell you my family in America goes back 16 generations when the first one of my family landed in Massachusetts, and generations before that, where they came from England. Blacks brought here as slaves can only go back a few generations, where they hit the unknowable wall of slavery, and in fact their family name is usually from their forefathers owner. Just something to think about the next time you are tempted to to say “that all ended 150 years ago, give it up!”. Like an orphan that never knew who his parents were, there is a hole in his identity that I would have a hard time comprehending. And I’m pretty sure lying and telling him I’m an orphan too wouldn’t help either of us, though I might get some undeserved sympathy.

    Leon (feb2a4)

  127. This also reminds me of that shooting in Kansas the other day, where the brown people got shot by the white supremacist man shouting ‘get out of my country’ because he thought they were Iranians.

    He later asked another white man for assistance hiding because he believed he had killed two Iranians.

    He actually had murdered one Indian.

    Trump fans really have an issue with Iranian Americans. The ones getting violent and shouting ‘get out of my country’ seem to disagree with Trump Supporter and Sammy about whether Iranians are authentic whites I think a lot of this has to stem from Bannon’s quickly shut-down ban on Americans returning from countries like Iran. The presidential administration telling us this so-called “Muslim ban” (their words, not mine) will prevent violence in this country has an impact on the dumb and impressionable.

    But it seems like Trump should be more concerned with his own supporters killing Americans.

    This is why Haiku should talk to me about his views on my being Iranian, something he has bought up dozens of times for years, and apparently dislikes a great deal. Racism has had a human cost for a long time.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  128. “There really are three races (no, Hispanic is not a real race but a made up category the census bureau dreamed up), with different physical characteristics.”

    – Leon

    If a “white” parent and a “black” parent have a child, what is the race of the child?

    And “you’ve been told” that “the reason there are not many black swimmers is because their bones are more dense and so heavier”? Really? Please. This crap is so transparent.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  129. 130, likewise this obese dude http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2017/02/fbi_white_supremacist_convicte.html

    (looks like a 1-man rainbow coalition, if one was to dig deep)

    and the godfather of White Hispanicdom (who would be a Rican in my world and a North African in Paris), George Zimmerman.

    Interestly, Roof was less exclusionary than Richard Spencer – he made allowances for Northeast (Chinese/Japanese/Korean) Asians and possibly SE Asians and Hindus.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  130. Authorities on Thursday charged Purinton, 51, with first-degree murder in Kuchibhotla’s death. He also is charged with two counts of attempted first-degree murder in the shootings of Madasani and Grillot.

    Purinton reportedly got into an argument with the victims and hurled racial slurs. He yelled “get out of my country” and “terrorist” before shooting them.

    White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer called the shooting tragic, but did not mention it was a hate crime, saying it was too early for the administration to attach such motivations while the investigation was underway.

    Too early to say what the motivations are!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  131. “Her color might be a choice but I’m sure a DNA test would turn up some African heritage”

    Israel (783798) — 2/27/2017 @ 2:04 pm

    Yes, I’ve read that is true of all of us.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  132. God help an OB-GYN physician who refuses to treat a homo sapien who presents themself absent ovaries, an obvious birth canal, and a fully functional appendage and testes.

    I would be interested in learning the official government codes for such reproductive services. Shirley, they exist.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  133. Yes, I’ve read that is true of all of us.

    Colonel Haiku

    Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.

    Also true of all of us!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  134. God help an OB-GYN physician who refuses to treat a homo sapien who presents themself absent ovaries, an obvious birth canal, and a fully functional appendage and testes.

    Treat him for what? It better be only in connection with a sex change and then only on a psychiatrist’s or another qualified physician’s referral. OB-GYNs will lose their board certification — that’s under the rules of the The American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology and it’s career suicide — if they treat men.

    nk (dbc370)

  135. I think the people who say that race isn’t a real, genetic, thing are probably more right than wrong. I think that our political system, by instituting quotas (and that is what affermative action is, at base) based on race, have made race a real thing in a political sense.

    As long as some races are treated differently from other races, there are going to be people who nominally ‘belong’ to one race who present as another. They may be gaming the system. They may be delusional. They may genuinely and rationally think they belong to the race they present as. Or, most likely, they may be a mix of all of the preceeding.

    My gut reaction to this woman was “she’s amgoddamned liar, like so many on the Left”. On reflection, I think that may be wrong. I think my reaction is now “this is exactly why affermative action is pernicious bullsh*t”.

    As to groups like the Native American Tribes, I think they should be allowed to set up standards for membership based on ancestry, and tommake exception when they want to.

    So, does the Black community want to claim this woman? They aren’t a Tribe, per se, but surely theirs in the opinion that matters.

    C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37)

  136. I would just be going back to when I was little, and had to be what everybody else told me I should be – to make them happy.

    She sounds like she has emotional problems. She can’t just identify as herself. She needs to identify as “black”.

    Darren M. (a4eb00)

  137. The closest I ever came to being black was putting shoe polish under my eyes playing outfield on a sunny day. (Pretending to be Tony Oliva-who was Cuban)

    mg (31009b)

  138. So we have African American studies that aren’t, fake intelligence reports, Healthcare that makes it a most unaffotdable to use

    narciso (d1f714)

  139. Re: GW Bush… “Strange to me that guy whose Administration was hit by a thousand Grim Milestones and cooked-up scandals (Valerie Plame, for example) would be so kind to the media.

    My theory is that both the Democrats and the semi-deposed Establishment GOP have few hands at the levers of power — except for their friends in the media and the permanent DC bureaucracy, so both have some investment in cultivating those power centers and pushing for them to have continued power.

    Or even expanded power: Bill Kristol tweeted he favored the Deep State over the Trump state.

    In the Democrats’ case, it’s just more of their same strategy of 60 years. In the Establishment GOP’s case, it’s making peace with an old adversary to destroy an even more dangerous, existential-threat adversary.

    It just surprises me — in a way that perhaps it should not — that so many “conservatives” are now taking the media’s side, as it’s tottering and wounded in a way that it has literally never been in my lifetime.

    For some, it seems, the leftist media isn’t the hero they deserve, but it’s the hero they need.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368605.php

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  140. #147 Colonel, it really is strange to see “conservatives” throwing themselves onto the train tracks in order to defend the MSM.

    I suppose “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” is really true.
    Look at how some of our friends here threw in with Hillary or Evan MacGuffin or Gary (Where’s Aleppo?) Johnson in an effort to defeat Mr Donald.

    I can’t recall who it was, but somebody here was even defending The Washington Post as preferable to The Wall Street Journal just last week.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  141. No Bush is or ever was a Conservative. They are all believers in big government, just under their benevolent guidance – yet they are all fooled that they control leviathan. Big government is by nature leftist and controlling you.

    Steven Malynn (d29fc3)

  142. 141.I think the people who say that race isn’t a real, genetic, thing are probably more right than wrong.

    Then you’ll need to tell the scientists and researchers who categorize the species since I believe it is they who identified the three races.

    I think that our political system, by instituting quotas (and that is what affirmative action is, at base) based on race, have made race a real thing in a political sense.

    That’s my exact argument. It’s the real racists that have made race a political imperative that have corrupted the concept of racial identity. All races are beautiful in their own way for their own reasons but when the politics force a competitive war they harm everybody. Then when they basically allow for “good” races and “bad” races the war heats up to where we are now. So it’s okay to say “black lives matter” but you’re a racist if you say “all lives matter”. I remember in Sunday school hearing “Jesus loves the little children, red and yellow, black and white” not black children matter to Jesus and those white racists are privileged.

    So, does the Black community want to claim this woman? They aren’t a Tribe, per se, but surely theirs in the opinion that matters.

    To a leftist it is her opinion that matters. Her opinion determines whether she’s white or black, male or female or anything in between. There is no absolute truth, only the mindless fluctuations of unstable minds. But it is neither her opinion nor that of the “tribe” as you say. It is what the truth is that matters and if we allow the left to keep preaching lies and fairy tales to kids we end up with idiots living in their parents basements playing video games till they are 40.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  143. He has a drawer sense of irony than taranto:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-the-media-1488223333?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. If a “white” parent and a “black” parent have a child, what is the race of the child?

    Mixed race of course.

    Leon (6a0fdd)

  145. you don’t get to decide that

    it not up to you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  146. It would be more accurate to say that w was a tick more to the tight than his father as was Romney sr, as was Rockefeller. But they operate in a very statistics framework like heseltine the wet tory, played by Richard grant in the iron lady, one of steeps better performances.

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. The iron lady was practically called a bnper by salmon salmon rushdie, for her strong law and order stance, which cost her some support innthe posh salons of London, which the gyarduan and the observer represent.

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. Yep, Cruz Supporter, very strange bedfellows. I do wonder why GWB – who gave Obama a pass for 8 years – now decides it’s prudent to pull a longknife on Trump?

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  149. #150 Steve Malwynn, you’re right, friend, the Bushes aren’t conservatives.
    In fact, Laura’s a Democrat, and perhaps both of the daughters are, as well.

    Sometime last year (I think around the time of the GOP Convention) I postulated how American political history might be different had Reagan chosen Jack Kemp as his VP rather than George H.W. Bush.
    The Clintons might not be the Clintons!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  150. Statist framework, Maggie was very skeptical of the larval common market that became the eu, as Reagan was about the UN, she was more high church than the gripper but the left didn’t care.

    narciso (d1f714)

  151. Tanning Salons must be taking a beating in Raches hood.

    mg (31009b)

  152. Trump’s behavior is more alarming than Obama’s. Sure, if you’re just a straight up partisan, this is not possible, but it’s still the opinion of most Americans. Telling the FBI to squash talk about their investigation? Kicking journalists out the press briefings because they criticized you? So many screwed up appointments? Oh and Russia?

    Yeah, George W Bush is simply a patriot as usual. And while I agree he’s not really that conservative, he is more conservative than Trump, on pretty much everything.

    Besides, politics is a real thing. Trump campaigned on the claim Bush was to blame for 9/11 and Cruz’s dad was a murderer. No wonder fans of Cruz and Bush recognize Trump as their political opponent. While many of them found Hillary to be worse, none of them, zero of them, recognize Trump as their ally. That’s politics. Trump should have considered the failure he’s painted himself into before issuing all those promises that require great success lobbying congress.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  153. #157 Colonel, yeah, that’s a question that 43 will have to answer.
    He barely waited a month into Trump’s term.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  154. When someone is voted President of the NAACP do they just allow black voters?
    Do they have a blood test before you get a ballot?

    Or maybe it’s like the Speaker of the House. Maybe they let anybody vote. In which case the 84% white constituency of Spokane saw Dolezal as an acceptable substitute – nutrasweet.

    That’s her niche. NutraSweet spokesmodel.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  155. Yep, CS, and it will be interesting to see if/when Dick Cheney weighs in.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242)

  156. I’m one of the few latino’s here, if memory serves, you think it was easy to get past the gunk that Wayne madsen, Chavez fanboi dunked in the inquirer.

    narciso (d1f714)

  157. NutraSweet spokesmodel.

    papertiger

    That would be pretty funny, except I think a lot of people would take it too seriously. Like Haiku, they take this racial stuff to heart and get really upset about it.

    Speaking of which, hey Haiku, I’m still scratching my head over what you were saying yesterday. I left a few questions you might answer now that you’ve had time to reflect.

    He barely waited a month into Trump’s term.

    Trump Supporter

    Aw, so sad. Of course when the former president of the USA is talking about a special prosecutor, that is a signal that it’s OK to discuss impeachment. What other solution could Bush be envisioning for enforcement of whatever crimes this prosecutor found?

    The more I think about it, the more I think Obama could have helped Hillary a lot by revealing this stuff about Russia a lot sooner. But instead we’re going to witness some kind of Nixon x 100 thing. It could be a pretty brilliant long term move. Sad for our nation, of course. Trump fans are justifiably frustrated with many things, only to be represented by a humiliation.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  158. Boosh is a traitorous turd, who licks coc donahues almonds.

    mg (31009b)

  159. Never in my life have I seen such a group of cowards as the republican party. Off with their heads

    mg (31009b)

  160. 164. That stuff gives you the big C. Like margerine and cardiovascular troubles.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  161. W didn’t defend Lewis Libby, who sacrificed considerable future earning potential and possible jail time to serve in the administration, ironic Armitage was the man, who Libby defended back when the christics and Perot minions accused him of enabling drug trafficking, as they say no good deed…

    narciso (d1f714)

  162. I’d forgotten about that D-bagger, Narciso …

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  163. Yep, Cruz Supporter, very strange bedfellows. I do wonder why GWB – who gave Obama a pass for 8 years – now decides it’s prudent to pull a longknife on Trump?

    Could you expand on this for the slow kids (me)? What longknife did W pull?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  164. How do you REALLY feel, mg.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. Pence or Trump.

    Binary choice.

    Easy call.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  166. Made for a liberal but could lead to a rare bipartisanship. [jpg]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  167. Could you expand on this for the slow kids (me)? What longknife did W pull?

    papertiger

    G Dub says we should use a special prosecutor to investigate the ties between Trump and Russia. He also praises the necessity of the press due to the addictive nature of power, which he believes must be checked.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  168. Armitage or Wayne madsen, the former is erdogan’s man in Washington,

    ‘Matt, what evidence are you talking about Russian contacts, the dos report didn’t identify the correct software, this sounds like the foolishness my father went through a quarter century ago’

    narciso (d1f714)

  169. #17

    In a time when a young man wins the Girl’s Texas state wrestling championship, this is only the beginning.

    Colonel Haiku (d3e242) — 2/27/2017 @ 7:55 am

    It was a female taking male hormones that won the girls texas state high school wrestling championship. UIL rules says only girls compete against girls and only boys compete against boys.
    The UIL did make an exception allowing her to compete in the girls state championship even though she was taking male hormones.

    joe (debac0)

  170. Narciso,

    It’s not the crime. It’s the cover up. Is anyone really surprised Trump is in hot water so soon though? No wonder Iowa farmers loved the guy. Everyone is stocking up on popcorn!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  171. As for that foolish dossier, I also recall how there was some crazy rumor that some staffer in the dukakis campaign, made against my father, she had to resign that campaign, you recall her name.

    narciso (d1f714)

  172. No Dustin, the crime was letting a terrorist group burn down an embassy, let the chief diplomat die an agonizing death, and then blame some snitch for it.all the while paying tax follats to further the liar abriaf.

    narciso (d1f714)

  173. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/bush-breaks-silence-on-trump-urges-welcoming-immigration-policy.html

    Wow. So the lack of anything to complain or gainsay against Obama, that was George’s true position.

    He still have secret service protection?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  174. Dollars abroad. Its ironic they accused ahmed chalabi of being an Iranian agent and hence he want due a postmastership, but maliki who had been one in his Syrian exile, was allowed to run rampant for eight years. Similarly karzai not a perfect man in those parts, was targeted by the Obama administration until he became one in order to cozy up to mullah Omar and the haqquanis

    narciso (d1f714)

  175. she needs to make a point – soon – of saying or doing something interesting, cute, or charming

    that’s just my unsolicited advice

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  176. 179. Have any athletes had to forfeit titles due to run of the mill steroid or other PED usage. They should due for those back.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  177. No Dustin, the crime was letting a terrorist group burn down an embassy, let the chief diplomat die an agonizing death, and then blame some snitch for it.all the while paying tax follats to further the liar abriaf.

    narciso

    Actually the cover up was the problem here too. Otherwise maybe Trump really was right to blame Bush for 9/11 when he was demonstrating how to be the shortest sighted smallest handed politician in the world.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  178. Have any athletes had to forfeit titles due to run of the mill steroid or other PED usage. They should due for those back.

    urbanleftbehind

    they are going to have to do something. This is going to be big business. Already pro golfers have their eyesight corrected beyond natural human conditions, many prosthetics are superior at some sports than normal limbs, and medicine will keep making this stuff a reality.

    I would like to see ‘natural’ leagues and a league for those who, for whatever reason, are not.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  179. what i like about president mr donald is that he makes his opponents all bent out of shape
    they can’t sleep at night
    and they’re irritable during the day

    lots of democrats with bylines will start drinking and taking pills

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  180. Seems like The most recent Republican president, the previous Republican nominee for president, the runner up nominee to Trump, and their supporters, are probably not “lots of democrats” except if you’re delusional in your defense of Dear Leader. It’s possible that these conservatives and Republicans have reasonable complaints about Trump, an erratic and unethical man.

    Or maybe they are all just biased hillary fans and #losers and should be ignored.

    Time will tell, but it sure seems like Trump should try harder to win over his critics. If I were Trump I would be taking advantage of George W Bush for help.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  181. “A transgender wrestler in Texas, who was born a female but identifies as a male, had been taking testosterone for over a year before winning state and regional championships against female wrestlers on Saturday.

    Seventeen year-old Mack Beggs of Euless Trinity High School wanted to compete against boys but, because of Texas school rules, had to compete against girls. Beggs grew in muscle mass after starting a testosterone treatment more than a year before the Texas state championship, according to Texas’ Star-Telegram.”

    Well her daddy left home before she was he
    And he didn’t leave much to her Ma and he
    Just a Freddie Blassie poster and an empty bottle of booze
    Now, she ain’t made ’cause he never looked back
    Or when he made that split tail crack
    But before he left, he went and named her “Mack”

    Well, he must o’ thought that was quite a joke
    And it got a lot of laughs from a’ lots of folk
    It seems she had to fight her whole life through
    She drank teh juice and she grew a big head
    She grew some grapes, but they weren’t red
    I tell ya, life ain’t easy for a girl named “Mack”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  182. Can anyone imagine shitten mittens or traitor ryan standing up to the media? They would rather lie and steal from the middle class taxpayer. These people inhale hate.

    mg (31009b)

  183. Trump pisses off all the right folks, CS!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  184. https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/784546373525966849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Hitting on married women? Condoning assault? Such vile degradations demean our wives and daughters and corrupt America’s face to the world.

    Governor Mitt Romney

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  185. it’s not even 24 hours and the only people still talking about the oscars are dorks and shut-ins

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  186. mitt romney so nasty

    he is so nasty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  187. #192 Colonel, he sure does!

    It’s almost like a dog whistle … President Mr Donald gives a little whistle, and all the neighborhood dogs begin barking. And barking. And barking. Endlessly.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  188. He’s irrelevant as is his errand boy mcmuffin, the Oscar’s went as well as Beatty’s last film or ‘town and country’ before that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  189. Mitty showed his manliness by getting kitty whipped by a fat hack pig. Mitty doesn’t have the almonds need to lead a country. He sent the Massachusetts republican party to the emergency room years ago and they haven’t left. Only his herd of sheep are worse.

    mg (31009b)

  190. Unfortunately, given the tenor of the times, terror on the rise, and the rabid anti-Trump people on the loose, it’s more likely than not that some erratic lunatic will make an attempt to effect a “change”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  191. Well occasionally they send a republican to beacon hill, but what has Charlie baker accomplished lately.

    narciso (d1f714)

  192. I have a different memory of Mitt Romney. One not so dignified or self righteous.

    One where he was loaming water between his legs from the reaming he took at Trump Tower.

    http://patterico.com/2016/11/29/romney-trump-may-be-the-guy-to-lead-us-to-that-better-future/

    papertiger (c8116c)

  193. Its a concern, coronello, with at least two attempts,during the campaign itself. So the tories get in, after a 13 year exile, and among the first thing they do is authorize payouts for 16 detainees T least two of which, joined Islamic state ‘this is why I have trust issues’*

    *nick fury, winter soldier.

    narciso (d1f714)

  194. oh god stop talking about romney it makes me nauseous to where i feel like i need to spew

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. please

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  196. ROMNEY!!!!

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  197. *gack*

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. I know you don’t believe in anything or anyone, pikachu, sort of like the scruffy rebel guy on the magicians

    narciso (d1f714)

  199. Here you go, Happyfeet.

    http://woody.typepad.com/files/d-logo_toilet.gif

    Take your time. Need someone to hold your hair?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  200. Ha. Just kidding about the hair thing. Your on your own.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  201. As to your concern, coronello,
    https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/836376462764703744/photo/1

    And I think I’m not positive, rosenbaum has passed on

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. i just need to lay down for awhile

    right here next to the bathtub

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  203. George W. Bush Defends Obama From Conservative Critics…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTulk7bw-Yg

    Use to be W. knew the pressures of being in the bubble.

    All changed now that a Republican is back in office.

    I knew it. Just wearing my shocked face for effect. Always knew Bush was a switch hitter playing for the other team.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  204. Tee ball for Democrats, hard ball for Republicans.

    That’s what you get by making Bush the permanent pitcher.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  205. Dustin, I would take that deal under the following condition:

    The Democratic Party holds a press conference 1 hour before Pence touches Bible to announce their permanent dissolution.

    urbanleftbehind (2c35f1)

  206. What I like most about Mr. The Donald is that he is 70 years old and 91% of Americans will outlive him. Unless he pushes the button because he wants to be the President with the biggest war.

    nk (dbc370)

  207. Directed energy weapon, didn’t you see the panels from ‘give me liberty’

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/327049-widow-of-murdered-police-officer-invited-to-attend-trumps-address-to-congress

    narciso (d1f714)

  208. turns out this is as close to a substantive post as we’re gonna get today

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  209. Its like euros after July Mao evolved pikachu.

    narciso (d1f714)

  210. ugh

    all that gender fluid

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  211. @140 nk

    Can’t a brother get a breast exam?

    Pinandpuller (d1eafe)

  212. It’s actually a big deal because men have lost good doctors whom they’ve had for years for general health care because of this monopolistic rule by the ABOG.

    nk (dbc370)

  213. charlie baker is a hack and will never get re-elected. He bows to the massachusetts lesbian attorney general. What she says is the law – What he says – I’m the white Duval.

    mg (31009b)

  214. 127. Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/27/2017 @ 1:56 pm

    If I recall Sharpton even dodged the legal consequences of what he did.

    He was sued and damages assessed. After many years, I think the damages were paid by anonymous donors, with the money supposedly collected in small amounts at a fundraiser.

    Sharpton would not dignify the folks he lashed out against by answering them directly.

    Who is Sharpton reminding you of?

    Well Bill Clinton of course. Clinton never acknowledges any kind of wrongdoing. Sharpton is affiliated with Clinton but pretends not to be. He once, pn July 21, 1993, was given an audience with Janet Reno, (he publicly stated he was there to ask for the car accident in Crown Heights to be investigated) while the people asking for there to be a civil rights investigation of the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum were ignored and left outside the Justice Department.

    Al Sharpton also was a long time acquaintance of Donald Trump, along with Don King, the boxing promoter but earlier the central figure in extending the exclusionary rule to the states (Mapp v Ohio)

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  215. Al Sharpton is also noted for owning nothing, not even the clothes he wears. Or at least the suits.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  216. HRC would have gave way to Bakuh in 2020, mg. Dodged a few there.

    urbanleftbehind (227f6c)

  217. Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/27/2017 @ 2:40 pm

    Too early to say what the motivations are!

    He attacked them because he was kicked out of the bar. (Nothing gets a drunk angrier than being kicked out of a bar. Sometimes they come back in attack mode, sometimes with weapons. Bouncing someone from a bar is a potentially dangerous thing to do, although not quite as dangerous as a woman leaving her abuser.)

    And he was kicked out of the bar because he was insulting them. He was also challenging their right to be there, apparently encouraged by President’s Donald Trump’s executive order on immigration, which he seemed to think maybe covered them. And thinking they could say nothing back because their status was shaky. Which wasn’t true, but they were mostly trying to ignore him, and weren’t the type of people to get into a senseless bar fight, and/or felt he was stronger.

    They actually weren’t the people who asked for him to be kicked out. It was other patrons. But they were the reason he was kicked out, so he went for them.

    After firing at them, and a bystander who attempted to intervene, and escaping, the killer went to another bar, where he expressed some regret that he had just killed two Middle Eastern (or whatever word he actually used) men. The bartender didn’t know whether to believe him or not, but she kept him there until the police arrived. Whether the regret was over the act itself, or because he could get arrested and jailed is not known.

    He didn’t have their ethnicity right, or their religion if he specified it, but he probably noticed that they spoke with an accent that and didn’t look or sound European, African, or Chinese and thought they were some type of Middle Eastern people. He was also wrong about killing two people – only one of the three people shot died.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  218. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/27/2017 @ 4:44 pm

    Gary (Where’s Aleppo?) Johnson

    It wasn’t “Where’s Aleppo?” but What’s ALEPPO?”

    A possible answer would have been the American Led Emergency Partial Peace Operation, but nobody thought of it.

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  219. 226. urbanleftbehind (227f6c) — 2/28/2017 @ 7:09 am

    226.HRC would have gave way to Bakuh in 2020, mg. Dodged a few there.

    Bakuh? I suppose that’s a typo, but for what?

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  220. Sammy, that’s for Charlie Baker, sitting R governor of Massachusetts. Its a theory that the Rs would have learned the wrong lessons from a Trump loss, and went with a governor from a blue state I.e. Baker, Rauner, or Hogan.

    urbanleftbehind (c8adc7)

  221. This is plausible, albeit with a name change (or is this a “solid” for being able to act a fool on September 15th/16th)? https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-pair-sentenced-prison-over-confederate-flag-confrontation-232927640.html

    urbanleftbehind (c8adc7)

  222. 164. papertiger (c8116c) — 2/27/2017 @ 5:12 pm

    When someone is voted President of the NAACP do they just allow black voters?

    Not at all. There are no rules about that at all, and maybe there couldn’t be. do they have a blood test before you get a ballot? There isn’t any such blood test anyway.

    Or maybe it’s like the Speaker of the House. Maybe they let anybody vote.

    Probably anybody who pays the dues. I think Rachel Dolezal had raised the number of members in the local NAACP.

    But this is different than choosing a gender, because changing gender doesn’t involve lying about who your parents were.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  223. Charlie Baker would be dull, dull, dull. They could take Kasich, at least, or Marco Rubio. Political parties don’t tend to nominate outstsnading characters to run against an incumbenent president running for his or her second term. All other things being equal, I think incumbent presidents have an advantage of about 3% or 4% compared to their first race, because certain fears usually haven’t materialized.

    But the “third term” for a term limited president is usually lost by his party, because too few people run for the nomination or there is one candidate who has too much of an advantage or head start, so there’s actually a weak candidate.

    Bush I did manage to eke out a win and win Reagan’s third term, by running on the theme that Michael Dukakis was an ACLU liberal, but he had no particular popularity of his own. Or ability.

    Carter won in 1976 because of the endorsement of the AFL-CIO, which was based on the economy, and because the clock ran out (even though the election, like in 2016, was November 8) That same fact caused him to lose in 1980, as soon as Reagan appeared to be a reasonable president.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  224. Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/27/2017 @ 11:12 am

    He should have gone around the nation with speeches, as our black president, telling us that we need to move on from the mistakes of the past, learn from them, but stop the cycle of race…Instead, he decided he looked like Trayvon’s dad, the cops acted stupidly, etc etc, taking the easy, familiar, road.

    Not doing this would have required political courage.

    He didn’t do the things the racial arsonists wanted, but he didn’t put them down either, and didn’t challenge their assertions. He didn’t contribute to it, except in the mildest possible way, but he didn’t challenge anything.

    When things heated up in 2012, he didn’t stop it, and his Department of Justice somewhat helped it along, forcing the prosecution of George Zimmerman for instance, and not trying to explain Trayvon Martin’s behavior, which was very real, but looked not just evil, but very crazy if what george Zimmerman said was true. It was true, but it wasn’t totally crazy. Trayvon Martin probably thought George Zimmerman was some sort of a gang member, calling his friends to beat him up or worse. Like what happened in his high school in Miami.

    Obama authorized a whole investigation of the Ferguson (Michael Brown) case, but released the results in such a way that very few people, if any, who had believed the hoax, realized that the DOJ report said that the witnesses against the policeman had no credibility.

    They also managed to find something else wrong in Ferguson, Missouri and released that first.

    Ferguson, and some other small towns near St. Louis in Missouri, had governments dominated by public employee unions, and the governments were of the unions, for the unions and by the unions, (although they didn’t put it that way) and to raise money to give people large salaries and pensions the local governments fined a lot of people who usually didn’t vote in local elections, and sometimes people wound up in a fiscal trap they couldn’t get out of.

    There had been some demographic change. The newcomers were the big losers.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  225. C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37) — 2/27/2017 @ 3:43 pm

    As to groups like the Native American Tribes, I think they should be allowed to set up standards for membership based on ancestry, and tommake exception when they want to.

    So, does the Black community want to claim this woman? They aren’t a Tribe, per se, but surely theirs in the opinion that matters.

    There isn’t exactly a community with enrolled members, but probably no, although it might have been possible for her to get in honestly on the basis of her son and (ex?)spouse. But she wouldn’t have been able to be so militant.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  226. Again, Zimmerman missed his calling in undercover or as a super spy.

    urbanleftbehind (c8adc7)

  227. The whole Sanford template was a collaboration between the crumple Julian wing of ‘resist we much’ and the white house who organized the dream defenders out of justices. Crc, guess which official at DJ ran that operation?

    narciso (d1f714)

  228. Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/27/2017 @ 5:09 pm

    Telling the FBI to squash talk about their investigation?

    He didn’t do that. The two top FBI officials, first andrew McCabe and then James Comey went to White House Chief od Staff Reince Priebus and told him that it wasn’t true, as had been reported, that somebody else in the White House had told them to say that.

    But they wouldn’t agree to say that in public.

    Separately, Andrew McCabe told Priebus that the reported (direct) contacts between people in the Trump campaign and Russian government officials didn’t amount to much. The FBI wouldn’t say that but agreed Priebus and others could say that on background, and the White House also asked the heads of the intelligence commmittees to call up the reporters writing about this and take questions, with the idea they would verify that to reporters.

    Kicking journalists out the press briefings because they criticized you?

    Bad. It smacks of trying to manipulate coverage.

    And that never works if reporters are going to write about the story anyway, which often is not the case, but it is here.

    So many screwed up appointments?

    Not too many, although some got caught up in the vetting process after their names were announced. The problems here didn’t use to be a problem 50 or 60 years ago. Now the nominee for secrtary of the Navy had to withdraw because he couldn’t satisfy the ethics requirements. I wonder how many people we lose every administration. Generals, generally don’t have a problem, because they are civil servants.

    Oh and Russia?

    It shouldn’t all be tied to Trump, because Russia probably bought or influenced some people around Trump who probably sold Trump on the idea of making a big deal with Russia in which Russia would destroy ISIS (and Trump doesn’t care about the character of foreign governments)

    Trump campaigned on the claim Bush was to blame for 9/11 and Cruz’s dad was a murderer.

    He played around with these ideas once or twice.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  229. narciso @237

    Sanford = Sanford Florida where the Martin vs Zimmerman confrontation took plsce.

    Crumple = Benjamin Crump, the Martin family lawyer.

    Julian + wing = ???

    ‘resist we much’ = isn’t that something that started after the November, 2016 election?

    the dream defenders = ???

    Crc = cyclic redundancy check, meaning a cross check on what you are saying?

    guess which official at DJ ran that operation?

    DJ = DOJ = Department of Justice but I have no idea what official and what operation you mean.

    Sammy Finkelman (8dcc71)

  230. Julian is the publicist that got the narrative to coates, blow, and lee ‘resist we much’ is my nickname, for sharpton, Perez was inn charge as head of the civil rights division.

    narciso (d1f714)


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