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2/19/2017

Milo on the Joys of Young Boys Having Sexual Relationships with Older Men (UNEDITED VIDEO)

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:01 pm



Milo Yiannopoulos will speak at CPAC (although he is not, as some have reported, the keynote speaker.)

A controversy has arisen concerning his comments suggesting that 13-year-old boys can consent to sexual relationships with older men; that sexual attraction to “sexually mature” 13-year-olds is not pedophilia; and that sexual relationships between young boys and older men can be “hugely positive.”

Milo has posted a statement that claims that the controversy arises out of “selectively edited videos.” (He does acknowledge some “sloppy phrasing” too.)

I thought it might be a public service, then — if a somewhat distasteful one — to publish a lengthy transcript from a video that appears unedited to me. The following excerpt is about four minutes in length, and you can navigate in the video to watch the whole 2 3/4 hour video if you wish. Make up your own mind about whether Milo Yiannopoulos appears to advocate older men having sexual relationships with boys as young as 13.

And if it appears that he does, you must decide whether that is an opinion that you want representing you as a conservative. [Discussion is NSFW.]

PaulsEgo: The whole consent thing, for me, is, it’s not this black and white thing that people try and paint it. Are there some 13-year-olds out there capable of giving informed consent to have sex with an adult? Probably. But I was also a 13-year-old. I hung around with 13-year-old guys, you know, when I was 13, and there were some of them that still thought girls were f*cking icky at 13. Like not many, but like, they were just coming out of that phase. I don’t know that I was ready at 13 to get f*cked in the *ss by a 28-year-old black drag queen is what I’m saying. So, you can’t, the reason these age of consent laws exist is because we have to set some kind of a barometer here.

Yiannopoulos: I completely understand…

PaulsEgo: We’ve got to pick an age and go, okay, look, this is the age where we can reasonably be assured you’re an adult, you can give informed consent, you understand the risks of pregnancy, all that bullsh*t.

Yiannopoulos: Of course, of course, and I think the law is probably about right, that’s probably roughly the right age, I think it’s probably about okay, but there are certainly people who are capable of giving consent at a younger age, I certainly consider myself to be one of them. People who are sexually active younger. I think it particularly happens in the gay world, by the way. And in many cases, actually, those relationships with older men — this is one of the reasons I hate the left, this sort of stupid, one-size-fits-all policing of culture, this sort of, this arbitrary —

Ben: You know, Milo —

T.J.: Let him talk.

Ben: Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I was just —

Yiannopoulos: This arbitrary — I’m just gonna — I’ll be quick. This arbitary and oppressive idea of consent which totally destroys, you know, the understanding that many of us have of the complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex, and actually, in the homosexual world particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, those kind of coming-of-age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable — a sort of a rock for when they can’t talk to their parents. Some of those relationships are some of the most —

Unknown: It sounds like priest molestation to me.

Ben: It sounds like Catholic priest molestation to me.

Yiannopoulos: And you know what? I am grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.

Ben: Oh, my God. Oh, my God, I can’t handle it.

Unknown: What is wrong with you, Ben? Come on?

PaulsEgo: It’s funny because Ben gave me some homework on you, Milo, he gave a few videos to watch to brush up on my Miloisms, and one of the things you said in one of these clips was that transgenderism is the new, you know, frontier of, you know, rights, my wording is bad here, but, um, you know, it’s the new frontier of social progress and the next thing in line is gonna be pedophilia – and yet, here you are talking about how, look, you know, some of these kids that get diddled by these priests, I mean, it’s a good thing for them! They’re getting this love! Now they are also getting a d*ck —

Yiannopoulos: You’re misunderstanding what pedophilia means. Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to someone 13 years old who is sexually mature.

PaulsEgo: OK, ephebophilia or whatever.

Yiannopoulos: Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is attraction to people who don’t have functioning sex organs yet, who have not gone through puberty, who are too young to be able to understand the way their bodies —

Unknown: Ann Coulter.

Yiannopoulos: That is not what we’re talking about.

T.J.: Ann Coulter.

PaulsEgo: Sure, granted.

Yiannopoulos: You don’t understand what pedophilia is if you think that I’m defending it, ’cause I’m certainly not.

PaulsEgo: No, no, no. I’m not saying you’re defending it, I’m saying you’re walking the borderline.

Yiannopoulos: No it’s not. You said I was defending it, and you’re wrong.

PaulsEgo: OK, OK, fine. I retract my statement, Milo. I retract my statement. I shan’t slander you further. But you are advocating for cross-generational relationships here, can we be honest about that?

Yiannopoulos: Yeah, I don’t mind saying, I don’t mind admitting that, and I think particularly in the gay world – and outside, the Catholic Church, if that’s where some of you want to go with this – I think in the gay world, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly, you know, life-affirming, important, shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys, they can even save those young boys from desolation, from suicide, from drug addiction, all those things, provided they’re consensual. Provided they’re consensual.

Manufactured controversy or genuinely disturbing and immoral nonsense? You be the judge.

UPDATED to correct one line from PaulsEgo.

UPDATE x2: Milo has now been disinvited from CPAC and Simon and Schuster says they will not be publishing his book.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

332 Responses to “Milo on the Joys of Young Boys Having Sexual Relationships with Older Men (UNEDITED VIDEO)”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (9356e2)

  2. Manufactured controversy or genuinely disturbing and immoral nonsense?

    Free speech.

    James B. Shearer (a02d29)

  3. Let’s highlight this part.

    Yiannopoulos: You don’t understand what pedophilia is if you think that I’m defending it, ’cause I’m certainly not.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  4. Manufactured controversy. He just saying its complex. It is complex.

    Mike (b6b0fa)

  5. I’m hitting it.

    Feel free to bad mouth me at your leisure.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  6. Manufactured controversy or genuinely disturbing and immoral nonsense?

    Is this a trick question?

    A child of 13, regardless of whether their body has gone through puberty, is in no way competent to make a decision about whether to have sex with an adult.

    Given the range of inducements, psychological pressures and sheer dominance that an adult can bring to bear against a naive and probably trusting child, it is rape, plain and simple.

    If Milo, as he claims, is an example of the “benefits” of this type of child abuse, that should be sufficient to end the discussion right there.

    Dave (711345)

  7. James B. Shearer wrote: “Free speech.”

    Whenever a leftist gets caught saying something indefensible, leftists will try to change the conversation from whether the speech can be justified, to whether it is protected by the Constitution.

    It’s a straw man argument, because no one has said that Milo’s speech should be suppressed by the government.

    By making the straw man argument, leftists can passionately defend the right to free speech, by implication suggesting that the critics they are responding to don’t believe in free speech. And they can avoid the discussion they don’t want to have which is: is the speech defensible.

    It’s an intellectually dishonest dodge.

    No one said that Milo’s speech should be banned by the government. The question is whether he should have a platform at CPAC.

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  8. #6, Dave expresses it perfectly. The statutory rape laws are appropriate
    regardless of the type of sexual relationship, and the reason why is identical
    regardless of the type of sexual relationship.

    Isn’t it amazing how almost all efforts to describe how bad Milo’s concept is end
    up being terrible double entendre’s?

    Ken in Camarillo (fe2134)

  9. Milo being speaking at CPAC — definitely not Patrick-post worthy. Delegated to bench/Dana.

    But news Milo is a pedo? BACK OFF, DANA — this one’s all MINE. LOL

    School Marm (5999c1)

  10. Team Republican seen hanging out at Nambla get togethers with democrat members.

    mg (31009b)

  11. Love to see the photos of mccain and graham between milo.

    mg (31009b)

  12. By the way, I was not suggesting that Mr. Shearer is a leftist, I was just saying that he was using a tactic that we’ve seen, again and again, from leftists, to avoid honest debate.

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  13. Penal law aspects aside,if Milo stated he gained worldly experience from a 23 year old female there would be no discussion. His battle for freedom of speech should be the issue,as abhorrent his views may be to some.

    gbear (70736b)

  14. Y. Doodle: General, please tell me again why we’re in the middle of the Delaware River, in the middle of winter, dodging ice floes and Hessian musket balls?

    G. Washington: Why, son, so’s a half-Brit/half-Greek pervert can come to America on a business visitor’s visa and make his living by going to college campuses and telling the college boys that he gives better blowjobs than college girls and he owes it all to having being taught how at the age of thirteen by a grown man.

    Y. Doodle: Well, hell, General, there ain’t no finer thing to fight, kill and die for than that.

    nk (dbc370)

  15. Or, maybe, penal law aspects aside, Adam Lanza’s battle for the right to keep and bear arms should be the issue,as abhorrent his views may be to some?

    nk (dbc370)

  16. 15, I do not know Lanza’s views, only his actions, which I do not see as comparable.

    gbear (70736b)

  17. Matt Schlapp should exercise better judgment about which provocateurs to promote.

    crazy (d3b449)

  18. 16. On that point, if Milo were the pushing 60 older man of that discussion, with multiple relationships with teenage males, would that be beyond pale. That may well have been Pym Fortyn had he survived.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  19. Can we be absolutely clear about something? Patterico does not actually give a RAT’S ARSE about Milo’s sexual pasttimes! He is using this as a futile, last effort to keep the libertarianish intellectual faculty lounge of Conservatism, Inc free pure and free of the barbarian rabble rousers at the gate!

    He just wants to be free to conduct pointless thought experiments about what would happen if we had a “truly free market” and a federal government the size it was in 1790! Neither of which will ever happen, and not many people care about! But as long as Patterico can keep the movement preoccupied impossible hypotheticals, he’ll never have to deal with the questions the GOP base actually cares about: immigration and demographic displacement, the casualties of “free trade,” racial friction, and all those other icky, controversial subjects he’d prefer to minimize and virtue signal about.

    Jared Nelson (83388d)

  20. Omg

    EPWJ (42f585)

  21. This guy needs a prison cell

    EPWJ (42f585)

  22. papertiger, at #3, is correct. Yiannopoulos is not defending pedophilia, which is an attraction to pre-pubescent children. But he absolutely is defending “consensual” relationships between adults and post-pubescent teenagers, which falls under the common colloquial use of the word “pedophilia.” (I put “consensual” in quotation marks because children under the age of majority are deemed legally incapable of consenting.)

    So it is not a distinction without a difference for Milo to say, “I would never think about trying to have sex with a twelve-year-old boy. However, at fourteen, after puberty has begun, the kid should be fair game.” One is a pedophilic act, and the other is not. However, I wonder whether the parents of the boy might see enough of a distinction there. I certainly wouldn’t have this man anywhere near my children.

    Also, for those people who are still Republicans here, can you defend giving Milo a keynote at CPAC? A decade ago, Republicans were pressuring Mark Foley out of Congress. I guess now it’s okay.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  23. @ Jared Nelson, #19:

    The “GOP base,” especially its Christian component, used to care quite a bit — and not in a positive way — about a man advocating for legalized gay sex with minors. I guess times change.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  24. The “GOP base,” especially its Christian component, used to care quite a bit — and not in a positive way — about a man advocating for legalized gay sex with minors. I guess times change.

    Trump has really broken the glass ceiling for sexual predators and child sex abusers.

    Dave (711345)

  25. The greatest lie the left told in it’s push to normalize homosexuality was denying its link to pedophilia.

    Yes, Milo is correct that what he’s talking about isn’t technically pedophilia, but nobody would be OK with a heterosexual man saying this.

    StarkChoice (c51e47)

  26. Also noteworthy is his tacit admission that homosexuals suffer from mental illness.

    StarkChoice (c51e47)

  27. Marm,

    Dana is not ‘the bench’. Dana’s an awesome blogger. JVW is too. The cobloggers here have been awesome over the years with only a few exceptions. It’s too bad you couldn’t find any better way to respond to the topic than the slam the blog, but that’s how a lot of Trump fans handle reality (aka Fake News).

    Demosthenes, I appreciate the effort to explain Milo’s point of view in good faith. I still think a teenager cannot consent to sex with adults, even if they are in puberty, and even if raping a younger child is worse. Our culture is at constant battle with immorality and we have to be clear about some core principles. And I recognize you are not challenging them. But one of those principles is that a 14 year old or any other minor child cannot have a consensual sexual relationship with an adult.

    Also, this Milo guy clearly suffers from mental illness. I feel bad for anyone who is so partisan that they overlook it, and I think Milo should be kept away from kids.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  28. I don’t think its a manufactured controversy, and I’ve read much the same crap from the NAMBLA movement in the US. I think he’s got a more “European” POV on the “age of consent” issue, and he’s mistakenly claiming that “sexual maturity” is somehow a line of demarcation beyond which “consent” should be permitted rather than an arbitrary age limit.

    But IMO its all about him justifying in his own mind what happened to him, and how it shaped his life afterwards. If he “normalizes” his own experiences then what’s happened to him in the aftermath of being the victim of a predator priest is validated as a normal and reasonable path through life.

    Where I find irritation in the OP, however, is this line —

    “…you must decide whether that is an opinion that you want representing you as a conservative.

    CPAC is having him as a speaker. That doesn’t mean he represents me as a conservative. I don’t think he has a very significant role to play within the conservative movement, and his only real contribution to the public dialogue right now concerns the way his position as an “editor” of Breitbart sets off left-wing radicals at college campuses.

    I don’t think he’s got anything particularly worthy to contribute on the intellectual side of conservatism — and its really dumb FOR THAT REASON to give him a platform to speak at CPAC.

    Do you hold out any room in your view of him for the idea that the views he is stating are in some significant way a product of his own experiences as a 13 year old boy (according to him)? Don’t you see a huge amount of immaturity in the way he acts and speaks that strongly suggests a stunting of psychological development? There is no question that he’s got “issues”, and he’s espousing a POV that’s indefensible.

    I’m not sure, however, that he’s come to his views “honestly”. I think he’s lived the experience – whether by consent or not — and this is the way he keeps the monsters in the closet in his head.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  29. Isn’t there a tradition in England about this, don’t know if he went to boarding school. Mil is a provocateur on the questions of PC in the universities where ‘they raided the food court’ in one instance and shot another student in another:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russell-simmons-leads-i-am-a-muslim-too-rally-in-new-york_us_58aa13e8e4b037d17d290e0a

    narciso (d1f714)

  30. This will likely be the next frontier in deviance, but I’m confident it went be center the talk, what was more significant was salafi apologist scahill backing out of the Maher show.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/02/the-silly-sweden-flap.php

    narciso (d1f714)

  31. Axios is already predicting the speaking invite will be withdrawn.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  32. SWC, that’s a good point.

    He’s clearly a victim and he’s trying to process what’s happened to him.

    But CPAC should withdraw its invitation. They are shaping the movement, which is already badly damaged by the GOP primary going to the wrong man. They can then offer to pay for therapy for Milo if that soothes the heartache.

    There’s going to come a time when those who were clear about Trump have a lot more credibility than those who laughed it off, and CPAC is choosing the easy path.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  33. More of a sad piece of autobiography, really. Yes, interpersonal relationships can be (to put it mildly) complicated, but it doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that he was manipulated by someone in a position of trust, for lustful purposes no less.

    On a lighter note, the Karate Kid movies take on a different colour when looked at through this lens.

    JP (f1742c)

  34. Did Andrew Sullivan speak at cpac, did brick, its just as likely he would go nuts as those two.

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. At most, I think Milo is suggesting that an arbitrary cutoff, such as age 16, is exactly that — arbitrary — and that possibly there can be actual, knowledgeable consent on the part of a boy somewhat below that, say, age 15. Plenty of others, including criminal law scholars, have pointed to the arbitrary nature of statutory rape statutes. Nowhere do I see Milo defend consent on the part of someone under age 15. And nowhere does he defend anything like pedophilia. And nowhere does he suggest that HE has ever had sex with anyone who’s underage; this is an exploration of ideas.

    Badger Pundit (e8a5f9)

  36. Milo is arguably a white nationalist too.

    As nuts as Andrew Sullivan is, he’s simply not comparable to an Alt Right type. He has the capacity to convey an intelligent argument. He’s not just going to provoke and then point at whoever he trolled as proof of how important he is.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  37. With 7.4 billion people in the world, there’s bound to be millions of mistakes of nature and it is impossible to concern ourselves with every individual one. Yiannopoulos is something to talk about only because Trumpkins, of which he is one, are the cow pee in the conservative milk bucket and insist that they are milk too.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. Question: If you find Milo’s views expressed in the second video reprehensible, do you think Cruz, Walker, Pence, etc. should decline to appear at the conference?

    Yes.

    J.P. (9e0433)

  39. “I am grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.”

    – Milo

    Maybe “Milo” wouldn’t ascribe so much of his self-worth to his fellatio skills if he hadn’t been so trained at such a young age. I wonder if the thought’s ever crossed his mind.

    Leviticus (0a69be)

  40. Free will
    Free speech
    Free-basing

    Everyone abuses their freedom at some point, and perhaps at many points. Some are even celebrated for it, causing scandal, spectacle, and slavery to sin.

    Full disclosure: I read the Marquise De Sade’s works (including 120 days of Sodom). It took me ten hard years to get that crap out of my head. I am much more sensitive about what I put in there today.

    If life were a buffet, this guy would be treating it like a trough.

    felipe (023cc9)

  41. Isn’t there a tradition in England about this, don’t know if he went to boarding school.

    Once upon a time it was associated with certain sorts in the Oxbridge set, yes.

    Always thought of it as more of a Greek predilection, though.

    (Don’t you start chucking tsarouhia my way, nk)

    JP (f1742c)

  42. Oh, the mantle of “consent” is very often abused as a disguise.

    felipe (023cc9)

  43. Yes.
    J.P. (9e0433) — 2/20/2017 @ 7:10 am

    Cruz spoke at an event (during his pres campaign) that turned out to be something quite anti-semetic. Before leaving, he let them have it. Sammy, would you be so kind as to find that link?

    If Cruz appears at CPAC, I expect him to use his appearance there to voice his concerns.

    felipe (023cc9)

  44. I guess he’s islamophobic as well

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RaheemKassam?p=s

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. 12 By the way, I was not suggesting that Mr. Shearer is a leftist, I was just saying that he was using a tactic that we’ve seen, again and again, from leftists, to avoid honest debate.

    This is kind of backwards. Leftists are against free speech and often attempt to avoid debate by calling people “racists” or “sexists” and trying to get them excluded from polite society.

    James B. Shearer (a02d29)

  46. 36.”Milo is arguably a white nationalist too.”

    He’s refuted this time and again. The left still keeps slinging it though.

    harkin (afc7a6)

  47. Oh, Milo doesn’t believe in much of anything, other than how darned clever he sounds to himself.

    Appropriately, Oscar Wilde put it best: “It is better to be infamous than not famous at all.”

    Milo is a reminder that we need to never fall into that narcissistic trap.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  48. Well, pederasty is a Greek word, JP. However, the Greeks claim the same thing about the Turks. And I read a book in which an Azeri (Azerbaijani?) claimed it about the Persians. It may an “East of us” sort of thing. Do the Persians accuse the Chinese of it?

    nk (dbc370)

  49. I’ve always thought the profile caricature of Patterico was a bit strange but if you apply it to his Trump (and now Milo) posts it fits perfectly.

    And if you think it’s a good thing to remove Milo’s voice from conservatism, where he’s not only bravely standing up to violence and censorship but also getting young people to think for themselves outside the indoctrination bubble, you’re wrong.

    The left is hell-bent on destroying him and his voice, think about it.

    harkin (afc7a6)

  50. He’s refuted this time and again. The left still keeps slinging it though.

    harkin

    You failed to refute it and I’m definitely not the left. The way Milo talks about Jews or calls himself a fellow traveler with the alt-right makes my description mild and reasonable.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  51. Let’s highlight this part too.

    PaulsEgo: It’s funny because Ben gave me some homework on you, Milo, he gave a few videos to watch to brush up on

    A video where four guys are coached, studied up, and fast balling questions, talking over the top of a guy they want to make look bad.

    Two minutes ago we used to call that fake news.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  52. felipe at 43,

    It was a group of Christian Arabs. And what happened is that Cruz started telling lecturing them about how wonderful Israel is and they booed him out of the room. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/what-ted-cruz-doesnt-want-to-hear-about-arab-christians-110907

    It could be, as Politico speculates, that it was a stunt by Cruz to build up his pro-Israel credentials. Or it could be that he was in character as the guy who couldn’t get a two-dollar f**k in a twenty-dollar whorehouse.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. That want to reason he was picked, now it is a reason to discuss him, just like some used some of okeefe’s stunts against him.

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. felipe at 43,

    It was a group of Christian Arabs. And what happened is that Cruz started telling lecturing them about how wonderful Israel is and they booed him out of the room. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/what-ted-cruz-doesnt-want-to-hear-about-arab-christians-110907

    It could be, as Politico speculates, that it was a stunt by Cruz to build up his pro-Israel credentials. Or it could be that he was in character as the guy who “couldn’t get a two-dollar f___ in a twenty-dollar w_____house”.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. he’s not only bravely standing up to violence and censorship but also getting young people to think for themselves

    Poor choice of words when the topic is Milo advocating that young people can think for themselves when it comes to sex with old people.

    There’s absolutely NOTHING brave about Milo. He is a coward. Going to a University and saying progressively more nasty and trollish stuff until the university asks him to leave is utterly safe. He is not only going to walk away unharmed, he’s going to be on TV selling his books and making hundreds of thousands of dollars for his martyr status.

    If Milo is brave, let him go to the middle east to talk about how he is this ‘dangerous faggot’ or his alt-right white nationalist views on ‘thick-as-pig shit media Jews’. Something tells me he’s not quite that brave.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  56. Actually no Nk this was a stunt arranged by hezbollah frontman and prime lootervof Nigeria, chagoury, who helped make book possible. Through his gifts to the Clinton foundation.

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. you must decide whether that is an opinion that you want representing you as a conservative

    no i do not have to

    there’s been years and years of bigots parading themselves on and off the cpac stage did i have to decide then if thems were opinions i wanted representing me as a conservative

    No!

    Sometimes i decided i could support someone if they seemed to have game. Remember how Mr. Scott Walker knocked it out of the park at CPAC in 2016? It buoyed my hopes for America very much.

    Then he fizzled.

    But Mr. Milo is different cause of he has no designs on public office. He’s outrageous often by design like our friend Madonna, who has it’s fair to say some pretty daffy politics.

    But I like her just the same cause of she stands up and says what she thinks and then she dances and sings songs about how papa should not do preachings on her cause of she does not wanna have an abortion.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  58. Then the Romans/then Italians started the a Greek stuff. Not much different then Mesoamericans saying the same thing against the Caribbean Latinos.

    urbanleftbehind (4c9c00)

  59. The most shocking thing I’ve ever seen in politics was the full court press by presstitutes of the democratic party teaming up with the so cons to hound Mark Foley out of office, and in the wake gift wrapping a nothing flotsam gossamer nothing of an issue that meant zero zilth nothing and nada to anyone in the real world for the organized crime syndicate called the Democrat party to club their way to a majority with.

    Thank you for absolutely nothing.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  60. I never quite understood what “couldn’t get a two-dollar f___ in a twenty-dollar w_____house” meant, myself, narciso.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. happyfeet,

    you are deflecting.

    Scott Walker did not criticize people for being jewish. Scott Walker did not advocate for youth sleeping with older men. Scott Walker instead was a conservative governor who worked hard to enact reforms in a state controlled by unionized employees and their unsustainable entitlements.

    CPAC, like the GOP has taken a turn towards the Alt-Right. The term Alt-Right is appropriate because you guys are not the conservative movement. We have to either weather the storm with our integrity (as this blog is attempting to do) or take the easy path of partisanship, going with Daddy Trump and defending against even righteous criticism.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  62. this list of stuff what “we” have to do, none of it is stuff that i have to do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. Well, pederasty is a Greek word, JP. However, the Greeks claim the same thing about the Turks. And I read a book in which an Azeri (Azerbaijani?) claimed it about the Persians. It may an “East of us” sort of thing. Do the Persians accuse the Chinese of it?

    I was just teasing. It’s probably fair to say the ‘Church of No Only You Degenerates Do That’ has a lot of international adherents.

    Don’t know about the Chinese or the Persians, but the core of the Ottoman Empire held (at different times) what could be described as ambivalent attitudes about propriety between men and boys.

    Doubtless there are Turks who would insist such indiscretions are left over from the Byzantines.

    Historically speaking it seems a common enough occurrence, concealed or otherwise, of societies where slavery is openly practiced.

    JP (f1742c)

  64. How many of you were expecting candy, flowers, a nervous bo ringing the doorbell, and a trip to the sockhop, to be included in the story of Yiannopoulos’ first time?

    Raise your hand Pat.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  65. this list of stuff what “we” have to do, none of it is stuff that i have to do

    Thanks ‘feets

    JP (f1742c)

  66. this list of stuff what “we” have to do, none of it is stuff that i have to do

    happyfeet

    Well you did actually take one of those roads. You’re going to deflect or defend anything the alt-right does. You’re going to support Trump to the end. Perhaps this will usher in a new, dumber age in politics, or there will be a swift push against the new GOP (at which time you will tell me that you do not have to take responsibility).

    So your actions speak louder than your words.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  67. I really do think of politicians like I do sports figures.

    You do have that part right.

    I don’t give a dam if Ron Artest’s live in girlfriend is too lazy to feed his Dalmatians, as long as he deflected the Obamacare bill at the rim.

    True.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  68. Mr. Dustin if we go back in time historically over the years in retrospect, one of my most pronounced affinities for the discussings what are to be found here at this blog, has always been how Mr. P and so many of the commenter people were very very open and comfortable with the idea that our pitiful little country was reaching an endgame

    for freedom

    for prosperity

    for liberty and justice for all

    the crossing of an event horizon was imminent

    and i still belieber that.

    i don’t think that Mr. Trump can stop it

    but he’s the last hope what God has delivered unto us

    and in these grim times

    i will not wail against the wind

    i will not waste my last efforts doing persecution on invited speakers

    i will stand with Mr. Trump

    and i will nurture what hope i can

    are you with me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. Athrsim, mans arrogance that there is one road that ends, but I recall a young woman to testified to her Christian epiphany, who went on shows like politically correct and horrors MTV to speak out, and how she was treated on this board, and when most of the charges ended up (reacted) there want a mea culpa

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. NK,

    Thanks for the reminder that a Greek pederast being featured in a Symposium isn’t exactly a new thing. I’ve found the ‘Platonic relationship’ bit rather suspect since perusing the first dialogue.

    Rick Ballard (5e8a41)

  71. I know next to nothing about this area, but did recently hear that Milo had reported pedophiles to the authorities on three separate occasions. FWTW.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  72. feets,

    You’re right, the GOP’s failings did indeed lead to this disaster.

    And no, I’m not with you or the GOP.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  73. 47 is exactly right. This is performance art masquerading as political action.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  74. The Platonic relationship is in Phaedrus, in which Socrates tries to talk a young man out of a homosexual relationship. There’s also Gorgias and Alcibiades where it is pretty clear that Socrates did not go in “for that sort of thing”. But you’re right that in Xenophon’s “Symposium” the sexual abuse of the young slave in the theater troupe is talked of matter of factly, as it also is in Xenophon’s “Anabasis”.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. 50-Dustin-“You failed to refute it and I’m definitely not the left. The way Milo talks about Jews or calls himself a fellow traveler with the alt-right makes my description mild and reasonable.”


    OK, one time. Took me 20 seconds on Google.

    Milo at UC Boulder 1/26/17

    “The reality is, if you force everyone to play identity politics, if you insist in pitting whites against blacks, women against men, straights against gays, the reality is you guys are gonna win and the left isn’t going to like it very much,” declared MILO. “But there’s a better way. Don’t fight identity politics with identity politics.”

    “White pride, white nationalism, white supremacy isn’t the way to go,” he continued. “The way to go is reminding them and yourselves that you should be aspiring to values and to ideas.”

    “You should be focusing on what unites people and not what drives them apart,” MILO concluded. “You shouldn’t give a shit about skin color, a shit about sexuality… You shouldn’t give a shit about gender, and you should be deeply suspicious of the people who do.”


    I know there are countless lefty fake news sites calling him a white nationalist/misogynist/racist but I’ve always heard him spouting the opposite. He’s about western values, not western euro skin color.

    harkin (fcaff0)

  76. Rape victim rationalizes rape in his own mind.

    The state gives 13 year old girls consent to abort their babies all day long but not to take 19 year old d*ck.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  77. Where I find irritation in the OP, however, is this line —

    “…you must decide whether that is an opinion that you want representing you as a conservative.“

    CPAC is having him as a speaker.

    This, exactly. Milo is entiled to his opinion. He can even say (now) that what happened to him at 13 wasn’t a victimization. It’s his life and body.

    He can even try to redefine pedophilia to mean something other than it’s common usage.

    So long as he doesn’t act on that with little boys and just talks about it to get a reaction (Milo is all about getting reactions), fine.

    But I don’t see any need to share the conservative stage with this gaping assh0le.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  78. Axios is already predicting the speaking invite will be withdrawn.

    I’d put money on it. I’d also put money on other speakers staying away if he does speak. Cruz, for example.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  79. 71. “47 is exactly right. This is performance art masquerading as political action.”

    I agree partially; there is definitely a performance art aspect to his schtick.

    But it’s not a masquerade, IMO he totally believes what he is saying.

    Above and beyond that he’s willing to risk harm from the Soros/Obama/DNC goon squads to spread the word.

    harkin (fcaff0)

  80. Trump has a problem here. He marches with a growing posse of Sister Souljahs, and can never find the moment to reject them.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  81. I see my comment is awaiting moderation im assuming because of profanity in the quotes……

    Here it is again, cleaned up a bit:

    73.50-Dustin-“You failed to refute it and I’m definitely not the left. The way Milo talks about Jews or calls himself a fellow traveler with the alt-right makes my description mild and reasonable.”


    OK, one time. Took me 20 seconds on Google.

    Milo at UC Boulder 1/26/17

    “The reality is, if you force everyone to play identity politics, if you insist in pitting whites against blacks, women against men, straights against gays, the reality is you guys are gonna win and the left isn’t going to like it very much,” declared MILO. “But there’s a better way. Don’t fight identity politics with identity politics.”

    “White pride, white nationalism, white supremacy isn’t the way to go,” he continued. “The way to go is reminding them and yourselves that you should be aspiring to values and to ideas.”

    “You should be focusing on what unites people and not what drives them apart,” MILO concluded. “You shouldn’t give a s**t about skin color, a s**t about sexuality… You shouldn’t give a s**t about gender, and you should be deeply suspicious of the people who do.”


    I know there are countless lefty fake news sites calling him a white nationalist/misogynist/racist but I’ve always heard him spouting the opposite. He’s about western values, not western euro skin color.

    harkin (fcaff0)

  82. Milo’s just saying this stuff to get unbanned from Twitter.

    Prolifer (7638b8)

  83. “Milo’s just saying this stuff to get unbanned from Twitter.”

    Then he’s saying the wrong thing.

    Twitter wants him to denounce Trump or be gone forever.

    The Leslie Jones deal was just an excuse. They banned him for the tweets of others….and blamed racism.

    Harkin (311cb7)

  84. What are the odds that this self promoting glib huckster will become this generations David Brock and end up shilling for the left wing after they pour more money and attention his way?

    NC Mountain Girl (bae5bf)

  85. Harkin, try googling his quotes on Jews..

    Patterico (9356e2)

  86. Patterico, it is absurd to allege that the opinions of others represent me “as a conservative.” I expect that sort of underhanded presumption from fools and presstitutes, and I acknowledge the con has become so ubiquitous as to constitute a commonplace. But you know better.

    ropelight (3d74f5)

  87. Above and beyond that he’s willing to risk harm from the Soros/Obama/DNC goon squads to spread the word.

    What are you talking about? He’s only brave in the safe spaces where he knows he’ll walk away. You’ll never see a white nationalist skinny kid like this on the streets of Chicago or Detroit or in the middle east. You see a whole lot of this ‘fake’ bravery in the safest places of our society, and like clockwork the ‘brave’ victim calls himself dangerous on TV and hocks that book. Meanwhile the real brave guys who where it’s not safe.

    Harkin, I’m glad you know how to use google, but your efforts fall far far short.

    I know there are countless lefty fake news sites calling him a white nationalist/misogynist/racist but I’ve always heard him spouting the opposite.

    The fact you have to say leftist any time you encounter something that challenges you is a clue that you know you’re wrong. I’m no leftist. I quoted Milo ranting about Jews above, but the comment is in moderation due to how nasty Milo’s language was. He’s a bitter racist. That’s what you’re defending. Saying ‘Fake News Fake News Leftist Leftist’ doesn’t mean you’re not a defender of anti-semitism.

    Your reasoning is not unlike the Nazi movement’s. There were and are nuts who would find some nice thing Hitler said and use it as ‘proof’ Hitler wasn’t really racist. This sounds quite a bit like what you’re saying.

    My advice: turn your brain on. Milo isn’t the hill to die on. He’s a weasel who is in this for himself like so many pundits. He’s got some serious mental problems, obviously has been traumatized as a child, and even calls Trump “Daddy”. He’s much more valuable to the left than the right, and you’re helping bring your cause down. Having standards isn’t catering to ‘fake news’.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  88. Ropelight speaks more and more like that fellow from Lewes, DE every day. It’s disgusting.

    John Hitchcock (edb814)

  89. papertiger thinks this is fake news because a guy researched Milo’s views and is challenging them. I guess he thinks the guy in the red mask is part of the leftist media because he doesn’t share Milo’s praise for pedophile priests.

    Patterico (9356e2)

  90. Agreeing with others who posted earlier, ” shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:25 am ” has given a very good analysis.

    Additionally, many shrink-type blogs that I’ve visited over the years have mentioned that VIRTUALLY ALL of their homosexual patients had indeed suffered some kind of sexual abuse as children (but I don’t believe they specified how they defined the term “children” – possibly they just meant “under 18” but who knows).

    This leads to my belief that the SCOTUS ruling on “homosexual marriage” is a great, great, GREAT
    evil, in that the now-legally-recognized “marriage” makes it easier for such deviant individuals to adopt children and bring them up to believe that their bodies are not their own and that it’s GOOD and NORMAL to be depraved.

    If there IS a God and an afterlife, every person who enabled and/or supported this ruling will be called to account before their Creator.

    Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah (294088)

  91. Patterico, it is absurd to allege that the opinions of others represent me “as a conservative.”

    Is it absurd to suggest that an invitee to speak at a conservative gathering represent conservative views? If Richard Spencer were invited, would I be the one criticized here because Spencer speaking is not significant? Would SWC “find irritation” with me for suggesting Spencer is not who you want speaking at such a conference? How about David Duke? Is there anywhere we should draw a line?

    I might have though it would be at someone suggesting 13-year-olds can be sexually mature and capable of giving meaningful consent to sex with an older man. For some, that is no problem.

    Patterico (9356e2)

  92. Many Christians in the Middle East take issue with Israeli military policy, which has made life for Palestinian Christians in their homeland very difficult, and driven many from their homes. “Israel’s policies have led to demographic pressure that’s made the West Bank and Gaza far more Muslim than in 1948,” explained one Middle East analyst.

    -Dailycaller

    Sounds like a meme to me.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:17 am

    Narciso is correct.

    As Breitbart News reported earlier Thursday, since this incident involving Cruz, funding for the IDC summit has been revealed to have come from Gilbert Chagoury, who pledged $1 billion to the Clinton Global Initiative in 2009. Additionally, some of the Christian leaders present and featured at the conference–and who later met with Obama–are supporters of Hezbollah.

    – Breitbart

    Not all is as it seems.

    felipe (023cc9)

  93. #86, From om you John, I’ve come to expect little but underhanded presumptions and sophomoric taunts. Why don’t you read your bible, and try to become the sort of man you profess to admire? Instead of the predictable clown you compulsively reveal yourself to be.

    ropelight (3d74f5)

  94. ropelight, are you talking to ME? If so, what is it, exactly, that you are trying to say?

    Patterico (9356e2)

  95. nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:26 am

    It means he couldn’t find the value menu at Delmonico’s. I take it you have never been to a $20 cat-house, yeah, me neither.

    felipe (023cc9)

  96. To me this is sort of a clinical exercise in seeing who will defend what and how. I’m mostly pleased.

    Patterico (9356e2)

  97. If Milo is brave, let him go to the middle east to talk about how he is this ‘dangerous faggot’ or his alt-right white nationalist views on ‘thick-as-pig shit media Jews’. Something tells me he’s not quite that brave.
    Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 8:19 am

    Bingo.

    felipe (023cc9)

  98. This is so reminiscent of the lead up to Trump during the campagin, when in light of each new revelation about his dishonest and unethical behavior, all culminating with the “p*****” comment, the question became: Exactly what would he have to do for loyalists to denounce him? What line would he have to cross that was a line too far? Given that there really wasn’t a line to many commenters here (short of being caught in bed with an underage boy), it’s completely unsurprising that the Milo situation is also being rationalized and excused.

    Question: If, as some have inferred/claimed, that the GOP needs the likes of Milo to draw in new “conservatives,” it’s then reasonable to assume that Milo – to some at least – represents “conservatism”. And if that is so, then what in God’s name are Republicans doing wrong that such an individual is seen as the vehicle necessary to boost the movement?

    Dana (023079)

  99. i don’t really in my life

    need to have veto power over who “cpac” invites to speak

    i’ve never felt like this was something i needed

    going forward, if I do not have veto power over who CPAC invites to speak, I’m gonna be just fine

    i remember how last year Mr. Trump didn’t even bother going

    he was invited said ok then decided this ain’t worth my time

    maybe he’ll go this year maybe he won’t

    and we’ll all float on alright

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  100. Milo is out.

    Patterico (9356e2)

  101. As nuts as Andrew Sullivan is, he’s simply not comparable to an Alt Right type. He has the capacity to convey an intelligent argument. He’s not just going to provoke and then point at whoever he trolled as proof of how important he is.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 6:58 am

    Trig Palin disagrees.

    Locke (bed0b6)

  102. who will nevertrump target next in their disinvitation campaign

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  103. #95, no, Patterico, my #94 was addressed to John Hitchcock exclusively, and to no one else.

    ropelight (3d74f5)

  104. Soros succeeds. Mission Accomplished!

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  105. Trig Palin disagrees.

    Locke

    I’m glad you’re criticizing Sullivan for his idiotic trig truther behavior. I wish Trump’s fans would apply that standard to Trump and his side too.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  106. What are you talking about? He’s only brave in the safe spaces where he knows he’ll walk away. You’ll never see a white nationalist skinny kid like this on the streets of Chicago or Detroit or in the middle east. You see a whole lot of this ‘fake’ bravery in the safest places of our society, and like clockwork the ‘brave’ victim calls himself dangerous on TV and hocks that book. Meanwhile the real brave guys who where it’s not safe.

    Brave =/= stupid.

    Locke (bed0b6)

  107. yes yes Mr. Colonel nevertrump just enthusiastically validated one of Mr. Soros’s favoritest speech suppression tactics

    this is a good day for Mr. Soros

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  108. I have seen and heard Milo on YouTube several times and thought he was interesting. I had not seen or been informed he was a child predator before yesterday here at Patterico. As wild and crazy as the kid comes off, and as much as I’d love to see a young guy who can attract young people to conservatism, and especially how he drives the left absolutely nuts a child rapist cannot be our spokesman.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  109. Mr. Milo was never in danger of being your spokesman Mr.Reverend

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  110. If Milo were a Trump critic it would be an article of faith among many of the commenters here that he is actively and regularly raping children. Just switch what side he’s on and suddenly Milo is actually the victim of a conspiracy.

    Amazing times we’re in.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  111. nk (dbc370) — 2/20/2017 @ 9:14 am

    Right on, nk.

    felipe (023cc9)

  112. I wonder if Trump suggested that Milo would be a problem with his appearance.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  113. Sullivan is still dishing the crazy, over at new York magazine, never fear, Gabriel Sherman who helped gin up a two minute hate against Aires is one of their stars

    narciso (55103f)

  114. This makes CPAC organizers look foolish. They should have known about this beforehand, they should have consulted with board members beforehand, they should have sought approval from all members. Once again, the Republicans look foolish. This could have been easily avoided had they not tried to bring in a bright, shiny object to draw in more followers. They were willing to forsake principle for bigger numbers. That will always backfire. But this side of the aisle never seems to learn.

    Dana (023079)

  115. If Roman Polanski were to speak in favor of Trump, I wonder if he’d be allowed back home (and if Meryl Streep would call him rapist).

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  116. The thought of Meelo speaking at CPAC is troubling. Who gave the thumbs up?

    mg (31009b)

  117. I just watched the video again. I don’t think Milo actually raped any children. He was just making noise, I think. Anyway, he’s too controversial we already have Trump for that. We should get a good conservative like John McCain or Bill Kristol, they’ll tell’em stuff they never heard before. Or not.

    #neverMilo #neverTrump #neveralt-right #sameoldcrap

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  118. Out: 1st Amendment

    In: George Orwell

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  119. Dana,

    I think you expect too much from the public. What they will hear is that Milo defends homosexual rape and that “Trump’s people” disinvited him when they heard.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  120. Brave =/= stupid.

    Locke

    It also doesn’t mean cowardly.

    Milo uses the word ‘dangerous’ to describe himself. He’s clearly a troll and I have no idea if he was sincere in his antisemitism or his comments about sex with kids. He has a habit of not actually being in a situation where any harm can come to him, yet then crying about how he faced these great risks so people need to buy his books.

    Your answer to this is pretty sloppy, because actually a lot of what is bravery would be described as stupid to those who have no interest in a cause.

    That’s the real reason Milo was kicked out of CPAC. Trolling is a short cut to relevancy for cowards. Andrew Breitbart could walk right into the other side’s press conference and start taking questions, while Milo notoriously cancels interviews with the informed.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  121. slick willie wants meelo on speed dial

    mg (31009b)

  122. Hoagie, I would pay money to see Kristol on the same stage as Trump. Maybe he could do the introduction.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  123. felipe (023cc9) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:13 am

    It could also be argued that “he is the kind of guy who could not get a deal for less than “list price” at a used car feelership, er, dealership” would be a better analogy. Not too smart.

    felipe (023cc9)

  124. This just in: the Alt Right says the 1st amendment gives trolls a seat at CPAC.

    Of course the Founding Fathers would say the 1st amendment gives CPAC the right to not associate with trolls, but I don’t think Trump or his followers are big fans of laws.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  125. When you say outrageous things, be prepared to have them used against you much as a club is used on a baby seal.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  126. Where is CPAC being held, Epstein Island?

    mg (31009b)

  127. Deport teh little buggerer to Iran and be done with it.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  128. The Milo invite seems to have been the brainchild of one guy — ACU Exec. Dir. Matt Schapp.

    Maybe he had no idea of the videos you have posted. Probably he should have, but maybe he had no idea.

    Once he was “clued in” — it seems ACU Board members seemed to understand the problems — wiser heads prevailed.

    Milo was speaking AT a conservative conference that is paid attention to by about .01 of the population.

    He was not speaking FOR conservatives.

    Suggestions to the contrary are false.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  129. When you say outrageous things, be prepared to have them used against you much as a club is used on a baby seal.

    my country tis of thee sweet land of liberty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  130. This makes CPAC organizers look foolish. They should have known about this beforehand, they should have consulted with board members beforehand, they should have sought approval from all members. Once again, the Republicans look foolish. This could have been easily avoided had they not tried to bring in a bright, shiny object to draw in more followers. They were willing to forsake principle for bigger numbers. That will always backfire. But this side of the aisle never seems to learn.

    Dana (023079) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:33 am

    I agree inviting Milo in the first place was rash and foolish, but I fail to see how pulling the invitation perpetuates that perception. Sure CPAC has egg on its face, but allowing Milo to speak at CPAC would have created a circus (which Milo wants) and furthered alienated any Conservative messages that will be put forth at the convention from the general public. This was the right decision.

    Sean (1d5074)

  131. I think this is a great day for personal responsibility.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  132. When you say outrageous things, be prepared to have them used against you much as a club is used on a baby seal.

    my country tis of thee sweet land of liberty

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:45 am

    Of which CPAC isn’t the federal government. This isn’t a 1st Amendment or Liberty issue, and you know that.

    Sean (1d5074)

  133. This could have been easily avoided had they not tried to bring in a bright, shiny object to draw in more followers. They were willing to forsake principle for bigger numbers. That will always backfire. But this side of the aisle never seems to learn.
    Dana (023079) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:33 am

    I call a foul for an off sides not fair, Dana. Bringing in a “bright, shiny object to draw in more followers” is just good promo. It’s what the left does by exploiting their celebrities and it works. It’s also good business. Somehow you seem to thing it’s required to “forsake principle for bigger numbers” and there is no reason for that to be true.

    The point is we really do need to put our case out there to all those kids who only get one side of the story.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  134. But Colonel, Milo is just creating jobs.

    felipe (023cc9)

  135. Matt Schlapp and I’ve declared a chubwa on Mercedes Schlapp.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  136. In the USA, Milo’s hideous views on Jews and sex with kids merely gets him dis-invited from a major public speaking engagement. And people are free to complain in any stupid way they want.

    In Iran, he would be executed, probably by being thrown from a building but possibly worse.

    The comparison is an insult to this country’s principles that I hope will outlast the Trump movement.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  137. Suggestions to the contrary are false.

    That does not mean they wouldn’t be widespread.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  138. Yes, Colonel, I get where you’re coming from.

    “We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.” George Orwell

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  139. The point is we really do need to put our case out there to all those kids who only get one side of the story.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:47 am

    There are better spokespeople to put forth that message that don’t have the baggage of Milo. Being a living troll that has a questionable view on man-child relationships is hardly the type of person we need advancing Conservative principles, no matter how many issues he may be “right” about or fight for.

    Sean (1d5074)

  140. 88-Dustin said: …….”What are you talking about? He’s only brave in the safe spaces where he knows he’ll walk away. You’ll never see a white nationalist skinny kid like this on the streets of Chicago or Detroit or in the middle east.”

    Weren’t you the one ranting for examples of his refuting white nationalism? I do and you ignore it completely. And I’m not sure about the middle east but he much safer in Chicago or Detroit than he would on a college campus, judging by the Soros/DNC goon army’s reaction.

    “……I quoted Milo ranting about Jews above, but the comment is in moderation due to how nasty Milo’s language was. He’s a bitter racist. That’s what you’re defending. Saying ‘Fake News Fake News Leftist Leftist’ doesn’t mean you’re not a defender of anti-semitism.”

    Milo is part jewish, I will let him criticize some of his people in the PC media cabal without thinking he’s preparing them for the ovens. You are welcome to differ if you really want to hook your trailer to that that fantasy smear.

    “……Your reasoning is not unlike the Nazi movement’s.”

    Jump, shark, jump!

    “…..My advice: turn your brain on. Milo isn’t the hill to die on.”

    Milo is not a hill I’m preparing to die on. As smart as he is I think he’s totally liable to say enough outrageous stuff to hurt rather than help the cause of constitutional rights. I just don’t think he’s done it so far.

    But thanks for your advice.

    harkin (fcaff0)

  141. OUT: 1st Amendment

    IN: Blac Bloc

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  142. Get the Gold medal winner to speak.

    mg (31009b)

  143. In Iran, he would be executed, probably by being thrown from a building but possibly worse.

    Not for the stuff about Jews, he wouldn’t.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  144. 140… careful about that loose shark talk, harkin!

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  145. You’re welcome, Harkin!

    Good luck with the defending white nationalism thing!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  146. I just watched the video again. I don’t think Milo actually raped any children.

    Nobody ever said he did, Hoagie. The accusation is that he defends sex with underage boys.

    Patterico (9356e2)

  147. In the USA, Milo’s hideous views on Jews and sex with kids merely gets him dis-invited from a major public speaking engagement… In Iran, he would be executed, probably by being thrown from a building but possibly worse.

    With that kind of resume he’s gunning for Mayor of Raqqa.

    JP (f1742c)

  148. Not for the stuff about Jews, he wouldn’t.

    Kevin M

    True.

    On Jews, Milo appears to be in line with the government in Iran. But he’s one of those types who talks out of both sides of his mouth. Even on white nationalism he won’t do more than call himself a fellow traveler at times with the alt-right. He wanted to be just bad enough to troll, but still retain that polish for the next stage in his career. And for all I know that may work. It’s not like he won’t get a lot of sympathy from the alt-right for this persection they are pretending is a violation of his 1st amendment civil rights.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  149. I would be willing to grant Idaho its independence as a white homeland if all that want such would just move there.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  150. Although their meth import bill would be prohibitive.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  151. The comparison is an insult to this country’s principles that I hope will outlast the Trump movement.
    Dustin

    Why wouldn’t it? Are you suggesting Trump wants to kill gays? Or is this just “thrown out there” so leftists can believe Trump wants to kill gats?

    I can’t see why it needed to be said in the first place. Well, we survived Bushitler so I guess we can survive your Trumphitler.

    BTW, the “Trump movement” is over, we’re in the Trump Presidency. Please keep up, it’s been a whole month.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  152. With that kind of resume he’s gunning for Mayor of Raqqa.

    JP

    LOL

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  153. Although I’ve encountered Milo only once before (on TV following the Left’s suppression of his speaking engagement at UC Berkeley,) on first sight I found him entertaining, if an in-your-face flamboyant poof.

    I was sympathetic to his plight, but had no idea of his position on sex with children, nor were any of my very few comments in any way in support of his views. My point was and remains that no one speaks for me, except me, and that I can listen to unsavory speeches without being sullied.

    ropelight (3d74f5)

  154. Milo is part jewish

    All except for the part that counts.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  155. ropelight, that’s smart.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  156. Thanks, Hoagie. We are on the same page.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  157. If deported to Iran, Milo would mos def be seeing that 12th Magpie at some point.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  158. “Milo’s money quote, which was edited out of the video, is this:

    The law is probably about right, that’s probably roughly the right age. I think it’s probably about okay, but there are certainly people who are capable of giving consent at a younger age, I certainly consider myself to be one of them, people who are sexually active younger. I think it particularly happens in the gay world by the way. In many cases actually those relationships with older men…This is one reason I hate the left. This stupid one size fits all policing of culture. (People speak over each other). This sort of arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent, which totally destroys you know understanding that many of us have. The complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex. In the homosexual world particularly. Some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, the sort of coming of age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable and sort of a rock where they can’t speak to their parents. Some of those relationships are the most -”

    And this was edited out as well:

    “You’re misunderstanding what pedophilia means. Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13-years-old who is sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is attraction to people who don’t have functioning sex organs yet. Who have not gone through puberty… That’s not what we are talking about. You don’t understand what pedophilia is if you are saying I’m defending it because I’m certainly not.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/257888/

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  159. i wish elissa would come back

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  160. So, it’s good that PP posted the unedited video, not all sites have.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  161. So, Milo’s is saying he’s being taken out of context because 13 year-olds that have deeper voices and more body hair than their peers are mature enough to consent to a sexual relationship. A distinction without a difference.

    Sean (1d5074)

  162. Unknown: Ann Coulter.

    Yiannopoulos: That is not what we’re talking about.

    T.J.: Ann Coulter.

    PaulsEgo: Sure, granted.

    What was the point of the unnamed sidebar crew mentioning Ann Coulter?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  163. Sidestepped are the questions about whether giving someone a platform at CPAC has any meaning, and whether inviting Richard Spencer or David Duke would be acceptable.

    If a platform at CPAC is not perceived as giving someone a platform to speak in behalf of conservative values then I suppose SWC would be OK with those fellas speaking there too.

    Patterico (9356e2)

  164. @ Dustin, 27:

    No, we actually agree. I was simply saying that papertigger was correct in saying that Milo is not a pedophile. Which doesn’t mean he’s not a seriously warped and twisted wack-a-doodle…just not that kind. He still defends sex with underage kids who consent, which we both agree should not be defended, because kids of that age simply can’t consent to anything life-changing.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  165. they’ve happily invited plenty of grotesquely intolerant people before for example the odious Maggie Gallagher yuck

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  166. You were raised by incontinent wolves weren’t you pikachu:

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=368457

    narciso (627bcc)

  167. Demosthenes, gotcha. Well stated.

    I recall the late, great Andrew Breitbart’s anger with CPAC when they excluded GoProud. There was a legit area of controversy the conservative movement should have discussed.

    I see no controversy among people who I think are within range of reasonable that Milo’s view on sex with children is wrong. These recent statements wouldn’t do the conference any good. In the place of Milo, they should have a discussion of free speech, as surely that was the only reason Milo was invited. Freedom of speech includes the freedom to not associate with certain things. And it’s also important that students have a chance to disagree and hear those they disagree with. And at the same time, there are cynical folks who see this as a business model, and seek to dominate the discussion in controversy as a way to make some money. It’s an interesting topic that conservatives should talk about.

    If they need other ideas there’s always listing the ways to impeach Trump.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  168. The problem is more about CPAC than Milo. Who thought it was a good idea to invite him?

    The Republican Party is more of a port of call than a home for conservatism these days. Perhaps CPAC as well.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  169. So if they dis invite the editor of The Weekly Standard is that Kristol nicht?

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  170. i heard in the commentings somewhere on instapundit that slurpy egg mcmuffin runs the “reagan batallion” twitter account

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  171. 145. Dustin:

    “You’re welcome, Harkin! Good luck with the defending white nationalism thing!”

    Baseless smear as a rejoinder speaks volumes. thx

    harkin (70fe68)

  172. *battalion* i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  173. Baseless smear as a rejoinder speaks volumes. thx

    harkin

    No, there’s just literally no way to have a productive conversation with you. I provided proof that he’s made antisemitic remarks. You don’t care. He’s aligned with a white nationalist movement. You don’t care. He’s defended some truly awful behavior with children. You don’t care.

    You’re not here to have a conversation with me. Everyone who has a point of view that is critical of Team Trump is automatically a lefty and everything they say is automatically fake news.

    I already made it really clear that you’re defending white nationalism, and even gave a clear example of Nazis defending hitler with the same ‘See he’s not racist’ argument you made.

    Good luck with that! Personally I’m enjoying a rare day where personal responsibility is #winning.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  174. the new NSA guy seems interesting

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  175. The problem is more about CPAC than Milo. Who thought it was a good idea to invite him?

    The Republican Party is more of a port of call than a home for conservatism these days. Perhaps CPAC as well.

    Pinandpuller

    AMEN. Would it kill them to have an interview with the guy first? It’s pretty clear he’s a nutcase. I know he was in the headlines recently but sometimes that’s not a good thing.

    i heard in the commentings somewhere on instapundit that slurpy egg mcmuffin runs the “reagan batallion” twitter account

    happyfeet

    This appears to be an attempt to avoid personal responsibility on Milo’s part for what he said. It relies on fear of conservatives who do not like Trump. It relies on a very weak rumor. And it sounds awesome even if it’s true.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  176. well is it true or not i tried to ask the googles

    i figured some of the slurpers here would know

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  177. Some of my best friends are white.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  178. Yeah at Nevertrumperfakenewsolist, we get a free Egg McMuffin for every new follower we get for the Reagan Battalion twitter account. They totally told us it’s that guy running it. He dressed up as the Home Alone kid to distract Milo before CPAC. Mission Accomplished!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  179. Dustin

    Those CPAC guys vet Syrian refugees in their day job.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  180. So if they dis invite the editor of The Weekly Standard is that Kristol nicht?

    I move we boo this pun

    BOOO

    JP (f1742c)

  181. so you’re saying you don’t know who runs RB

    i don’t either but them and Slurpy are super-tight

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. Dustin

    To be fair, some attorneys have defended unsavory activities with children.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  183. i thank god every day them incontinent wolves didn’t raise me up to be no attorney

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  184. 50-Dustin: Give me an example of Milo refuting white nationalism.

    75-Harkin: Here, enjoy.

    88-Dustin: I don’t care, Milo is Hitler!

    So pure.

    btw – my non-white Mother would get a hoot out of your “white Nationalist” rant, if she were still alive.

    harkin (70fe68)

  185. There are a couple of gay guys who appear on Redeye who might be more appropriate if we are down to checking boxes.

    I’ve never seen any pictures of Gutfeldt’s wife, come to think of it.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  186. I have, Gutfeld’s wife is of Russian descent.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  187. @102

    who will nevertrump conservatives target next in their disinvitation campaign

    I nominate Donald Trump.

    Dave (711345)

  188. i don’t get it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  189. 50-Dustin: Give me an example of Milo refuting white nationalism.

    75-Harkin: Here, enjoy.

    88-Dustin: I don’t care, Milo is Hitler!

    So pure.

    btw – my non-white Mother would get a hoot out of your “white Nationalist” rant, if she were still alive.

    harkin

    Hey Harkin, there’s really zero reason to lie.

    First of all, everything I said is in this thread and anyone can read it so they can see you are a liar. Second of all, it’s OK to have different opinions. There’s no need to ‘win’ by finding some fantasy world where I’ve oppressed you.

    Your timeline is fictional. I never challenged to you find an example of Milo refuting white nationalism. That never happened. In fact, what I’ve said is the opposite. Milo’s said obviously antisemitic stuff and called himself a fellow traveler with the white nationalist movement. And your view that this is impossible and he can’t be a bigot because he’s said nice things about different races is exactly a defense the worst racists in history have employed.

    You may think this ‘he said something nice’ is an adequate defense of white nationalism or ranting against Jews, but I do not. You may think it’s relevant what race Milo is, but I do not.

    As I’ve said, I don’t actually know that Milo is sincere about his views on sex with kids, jews, or white nationalism. I think he’s a troll and I don’t really think it’s worth my time to figure out which of his personas are the ‘real’ him. I also do not think he’s a courageous hero of the right when all he does is troll in the safest places he can find and then run to sell his books.

    You’re free to disagree with me about it, but don’t lie about what I’ve said. Learn to use integrity in your interactions, even over the internet with strangers, and you’ll be a better and happier person for it. I suspect very hard times are coming for Trump’s fans. It will be necessary to be very honest about mistakes if the democrats aren’t going to just swoop in and take over on a wave of public sentiment. I could be wrong. I’ve certainly been wrong about Trump before! but if I’m not, you’ll be better off not screaming ‘LEFTY’ ‘FAKE NEWS’ and lying.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  190. To be fair, some attorneys have defended unsavory activities with children.

    Pinandpuller

    Well we need to be fair! LOL.

    I think Roman Polanski is an idiot if he doesn’t get on the Trump train right now. This is his big chance to get a pardon.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  191. Roman Polanski has his own thing going to where he hopes he can…

    i have no idea it’s too much reading

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  192. “If they need other ideas there’s always listing the ways to impeach Trump.”

    Even the Democrat leaders are reportedly trying to steer their fever-swampers from that:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/19/democrats-would-like-their-rabid-base-to-cool-it-with-the-impeachment-talk/

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  193. Harkin… trust me, it’s not worth your time or effort.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  194. Milo has presents an interesting stream of conservative thought, with wicked comments to mock the “politically correct”. Thus he would be a hot property to appear at CPAC. However, knowing about his aberrant thoughts about sex between men and young boys, we see pollution in that stream of conservative thought, which provides a convenient way for the opposition to discredit him and us. Bottom line: select presenters at CPAC who have the interesting streams of conservative thought without the pollution.

    Ken in Camarillo (c5b86d)

  195. Bottom line: select presenters at CPAC who have the interesting streams of conservative thought without the pollution.

    Ken in Camarillo

    Simple as that. Unfortunately there are a lot of folks who are rapid to enforce devotion to “Daddy Trump” as Milo calls him. That cuts the field of interesting and unpolluted conservatives considerably. A lot of good conservatives supported Trump as the lesser of evils, but no good conservatives that I know of had no reservations about him. Most actually really dislike him. And that’s an issue the conservative movement has to deal with, head on.

    These tools who defend anything Trump and attack anything critical of Trump are corrosive to the cause.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  196. There is a huge and largely unspoken problem with pedophilia by homosexuals and other demographic sub-groups.

    It would be nice if this controversy would promote an honest and open discussion of the problem.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  197. public schoolteachers being first and foremost among these sub-groups

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. @189 Colonel Haiku

    Gutfeld’s wife is of Russian descent

    Is there any other kind?

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  199. Jews are funny. I heard this gal gave her 13 year old dog a bark mitzva.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  200. Jerry Brown would need to pardon Roman Polanski. I think Trump is more likely to send Delta Force after him. Maybe introduce him to pegging.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  201. i wonder why he wants to come back so bad

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  202. Dustin

    The first thing we need to determine is did Trump (or Milo) actually say x and go from there.

    This blog, at least, goes to primary sources and does research.

    Nobody should be defending what CNN says Trump said.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  203. These tools who defend anything Trump and attack anything critical of Trump are corrosive to the cause.
    Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 1:03 pm

    So is the reverse, Dustin.

    I think Trump, the Republicans in general and the conservatives in specific have enough critics among the leftists, gays, moslems, unions, socialists, communists, professors, media, entertainment and deep state without us eating our own to prove how virtuous we are.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  204. If we can invent a matter transporter we could beam Roman Polanski into a wall.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  205. if CPAC just focuses on spreading the healing love of Jesus’s message of forgiveness then young people will flock to the conservative banner and they won’t even need these self-styled edgy provocateurs who should all burn in hell

    so put that in your pipe and smoke it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  206. Roman Polanski is 83.

    He’s an immigrant rapist what came to our country from a foreign one to rape our children. Back then we were very very against this sort of thing, as a society

    Fast forward 40 years and Justin Amash wants to invite hordes of foreign rapefugees into our towns and schools.

    Something’s changed.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  207. I think Trump, the Republicans in general and the conservatives in specific have enough critics among the leftists, gays, moslems, unions, socialists, communists, professors, media, entertainment and deep state without us eating our own to prove how virtuous we are.

    Rev. Hoagie

    This is a good point. I am trying to find reasons to praise Trump because I don’t want to reflexively bash a guy. The Alt-Right side of things in particular, such as Milo, make it very hard not to fall into that because they are always trying to tick people off. That is Milo’s whole shtick.

    Regardless of all that, Trump has done some good in his first month and I hope he’s a successful president even as I have so many problems with him and many of his other decisions.

    But I don’t really consider the GOP to be my own anymore. Haven’t since Romney’s nomination and would have given the GOP a tentative second chance had they nominated a Walker or a Cruz but that just isn’t the GOP.

    I have no interest in showing folks here my virtue and I realize that’s one of the many Trump era catch-phrases but I don’t even really understand the concept. I am who I am, warts or not. I think folks like Milo should face personal responsibility early and often and I’ve enjoyed how this one unfolded, even if I do agree with Happyfeet that CPAC isn’t exactly focused on the right things anyway.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  208. CPAC disinvites : http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-milo-yiannapolous-disinvited-from-cpac/

    Oh, CPAC. F-Troop lives.

    The invite has been recinded/denied/nulled & voided, eh. Appears the left coast boys and girls at Berkeley were really ‘right’ after all.

    “Sarge, who says I’m dumb?!” – Cpl. Randolph Agarn [Larry Storch] ‘F-Troop’ ABC TV 1965-67

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  209. i think the way this has unfolded has been very squicky Mr. Dustin

    thoughtcrime persecutions always are i guess

    that video Mr. P links with the image of a wee tiny four year old kid is so how to say

    effing lurid

    like who wants to look at that

    but i find myself contrasting Mr. Milo’s transgressions with those of Olga Perez Farias-Smith Williams Gutierrez Walker Unstable Cox

    i was super not eager to join in the pile on (you can review the thread) – she’s an ugly stupid woman working at one of those jobs not everyone would be super-excited to do, and all she had done was blither

    then I saw where she said this

    One of the most frightening things for me and most people in my life is that the people creating the assault are among us.

    And I felt so bad for that little Trump kid sitting there in that class.

    And yup I joined in the pile-on I sure did.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  210. what sicko volunteered their kid’s pic for that vid anyway?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  211. what sicko volunteered their kid’s pic for that vid anyway?

    Probably that Milo creep.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  212. you gotta figure though Mr. Dustin

    given the speed with which this played out

    the slurpy egg mcmuffin reagan battalion must’ve already been sitting on this stuff ready to go

    so… just curious

    who knows Team Slurpy well enough to name the slurpers or slurp-symps what will be speaking at CPAC?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  213. Milo doesn’t have children Mr. Dustin

    that kid in the lurid video is somebody’s for sure but def not Mr. Milo’s

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  214. here

    which ones are Team Slurpy?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  215. Id wager 2 per row (40%)? Lots of reluctant-Trump and Rubio fanboys. Betcha Sheriff Clarke is the next Milo, probably a Gangster Disciple or a Vice Lord. Charlie Sykes the famed Milwaukee conservative radio host, warned him he best stop barnstorming and do his job back in Cheeseland.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  216. well Mr. Gateway helps Mr. urban

    he says these speakers at CPAC are nevertrump, which doesn’t necessarily mean Team Slurpy but it narrows things down a LOT…

    Instead the speaker list includes these committed #NeverTrumpers:
    –Katie Pavlich
    –Dana Loesch
    –Ted Cruz
    –Carly Fiorina
    –Michael Reagan
    –Mark Levin

    interesting… only one holds office (harvardtrash ted) … and he’s not really Team Slurpy

    I can’t see really that Team Slurpy has *anyone* representing them at CPAC, just from googling the remaining names.

    Maybe they’ll be added here soon?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  217. I guess my theory is busted, feets!

    the slurpy egg mcmuffin reagan battalion must’ve already been sitting on this stuff ready to go

    Yes, facts! More!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  218. i report you decide

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  219. We definitely need more help from Gateway Pundit, White House Press Esq, to unravel the facts!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  220. BTW, this was an excellent example of Alynskism.

    “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

    NJRob (ae0083)

  221. Mr. Gateway says they is gonna do cancels on Milo’s book

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  222. Gateway is probably too busy tossing Twitter crap at new Cardinal Dexter Fowler: http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/02/20/dexter-fowler-i-didnt-say-anything-wrong/

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  223. Hilarious to see the little Leninists who supported last year’s coup led by a Hillary-endorsing, Pelosi-, Reid-, Schumer-, Kerry-, Carter-, Rangel- and Weiner-bankrolling statist Democrat, are now trying to lecture conservatives about ideological purity.

    Dave (711345)

  224. you has a very refined sense of humor

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  225. It comes with the ability to conjugate verbs correctly, I guess

    Dave (711345)

  226. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

    NJRob

    No, NJRob, this is exactly the opposite of an Alinksy attack. CPAC freaking invited the guy, who had very recently had an interview posted on Youtube where he advocates for sex with kids. And while we can be more sterile in our language here, if you watch the video in its entirely it’s clear Milo is a complete degenerate. He’s awful. No one wants him near their family, let alone on any campus anywhere. He did this to himself. This is personal responsibility at its finest. Yes, his fortunes are diminished as a result of his behavior.

    If you want to talk about Alinksy attacks, look at this “Lyin’ Ted!,” day in and day out campaign, attacks on his dad and wife, and the insane way Trump fans defended this behavior in an target who was frozen, personalized, polarized, and ultimately smeared. But like all things, if Trump does it, it’s OK.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  227. But like all things, if Trump does it, it’s OK.

    But only when Trump does it, of course.

    Sort of like playing golf. Obama played his first game of golf as president on April 29, 2009, over three months after taking office. Obama was mocked by Trump and others for his frequent golf outings.

    Trump has already been to the golf course 6 times in his first four weeks in office.

    *leaps out of the way of the cultist horde rushing to defend Trump*

    Dave (711345)

  228. obama was mocked cause he was an idiot turd what thought food stamps had multiplier effects

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  229. Dustin,

    I attacked Trump for those actions.

    As a reminder of Dave’s “severe conservatism ” he’s bashing Trump and excusing Obama in one sentence. Good job Mr Drywall.

    NJRob (ae0083)

  230. Dustin,

    This is Alynsky because Milo has helped catch pedophiles, he’s said the age of consent is correct and he has corrected what was questionable about the tape. But the left and the establishment want to bury him because he’s done an excellent job promoting himself while embarrassing their totalitarian beliefs.

    NJRob (ae0083)

  231. NJRob (ae0083) — 2/20/2017 @ 3:04 pm

    Yes, NJRob. Precisely. I don’t think it was wise to invite teh Milo to CPAC, but I do accept his explanation for his “sloppily pursed” “boys” comment. His lifestyle is so foreign to most of us that it is difficult to relate to it. He is a self-described subversive troll and probably is at his “best” ha! operating at the edges. I watched him interviewed by Maher and on that aftershow segment where he got the far-left alleged comedian Larry Wilmore and far-left alleged CIA operative Malcolm Nance to go after the bait. He’s no conservative, but quite ably and consistently fights against the PC, speech-code nonsense, which is chiefly why I like most of what he does.

    Having said that, the Left is smart enough to know who their “real” enemy is and that helps them. We have quite a few people who are self-professed #NeverTrumpers who do their best to diminish the new administration by any means necessary.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  232. As far as Cruz goes, that ship has sailed, at least for a few years.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  233. And in the age of Obama, we should increase the age of consent to 26. Same with the voting age. If you want to be treated like an infant medically, you aren’t ready for adult responsibilities.

    NJRob (ae0083)

  234. the glee with which nevertrump destroyed Milo’s life is kinda scary and sickening

    it’s like one of them shunnings in Utah

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  235. “sloppily pursed phrased“… Hahahaha!

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  236. Bill Moyers did a special on it for the tv

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  237. 236… and given what the Obama administration tried to do with even heterosexual relationships on college campuses vis-a-vis dating and consent, it apparently needs to be at age 39.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  238. Dave

    When I gave a dollar at Tractor Suppy for the FFA does that make me an Ag bankroller?

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  239. I hope Ted doesn’t push Carly off the stage again. She better eat some Super Beets.

    Pinandpuller (a25c48)

  240. Yeah, who is running the country? Because it seems to me that all Trump is running is his mouth, in-between golf games and weekends at Palm Beach.

    nk (dbc370)

  241. “Dave”… heh… to paraphrase the Good Book. we will always have the clueless.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  242. As a reminder of Dave’s “severe conservatism ” he’s bashing Trump and excusing Obama in one sentence. Good job Mr Drywall.

    Why do you lie all the time? Nothing I said excused Obama (I did criticize Trump for being a shameless hypocrite, absolutely).

    Obama played his first game of golf as president on April 29, 2009, over three months after taking office. Obama was mocked by Trump and others for his frequent golf outings.

    Just two sentences stating facts, offered without comment.

    Since you don’t like the facts, you resort to ad hominem attack and name-calling. Grow up.

    Dave (711345)

  243. This McMaster appears to be a good choice for a Natl Security Adviser.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  244. I wonder if you can… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqk-CLxrW6s

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  245. Mr. Trump makes many many good choices

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  246. Conservatives Have Become What They Hate Most About the Left and I’m Exhausted

    Posted at 6:30 pm on February 20, 2017 by Kira Davis

    yup.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  247. “Harkin… trust me, it’s not worth your time or effort”

    Watching it tie itself in knots was a hoot but yeah it gets tedious.

    Harkin (311cb7)

  248. If we can invent a matter transporter we could beam Roman Polanski into a wall.

    I’d think Uranus would be apt.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  249. It would be nice if CPAC showed Trump the bench that could primary his ass.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  250. this means Mr. Milo gets to keep his quarter mil advance from Simon & Schuster and publish his book himself or somewhere else yes?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  251. Ace has an interesting take… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/368486.php

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  252. Two minute hates, run longer than expected, when one of these murderous nazguls kills some one, well they will find a rationale for it

    narciso (d1f714)

  253. ace needs to grow up. Not everyone who is hounded publicly is a victim of the mob, sometimes the outrage is real and well placed. Milo isn’t a nobody on Twitter that made an off color or horrible idiotic joke that was spun into a National emergency by an idiot blogger (hello Justine).

    Sean (41ed1e)

  254. Mr. Ace is an exemplary American and I live him a lot

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  255. *love* him a lot i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  256. Awesome, now Trump is causing riots in *other* countries.

    Dave (711345)

  257. Milo’s recent statement on Facebook is appropriate and I take him at his word.

    He never said age of consent laws should be changed so it’s hard to portray his remarks as advocating child molestation, even if he was minimizing the harm in some cases, especially in his own personal case (as a child victim, not as a child rapist).

    Milo will survive this. He will stay on at Breitbart. His fans will stick by him. His book will still be published, by someone else (or self-published–then Milo keeps all the money; given the number of pre-orders on Amazon it’s not much of a risk to go forward on his own). He will continue being a shit-disturber, exposing unpleasant truths, saying ridiculous things that are obviously false (even if not everyone is in on the joke–like saying that there’s no such thing as lesbians) and making edgy jokes, some of which cross the line into unpleasantness. He will keep calling out authority figures who misuse their power. In other words, tomorrow Milo will still be Milo.

    In #war, you don’t ritually sacrifice your allies just because the enemy demands it

    Daryl Herbert (7be116)

  258. Ya know, we have right now an incredible opportunity to make the radical left irrelevant. Now if you guys could just stop ranting about the Donald and Milo perhaps we can put together a plan to show America just how un-American the left has become. Hell, we may even get new recruits.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  259. Well they shot a doc brown student in Washington, trashed telegraph avenue, they would blow up the hotel next, and we knknow how harsh authorities are on those things in maryland

    narciso (d1f714)

  260. The name pin fortuyn. Comes to mind, and how his fate was viewed by the left.

    narciso (d1f714)

  261. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/20/russians-optimistic-on-improved-us-ties.html

    “All I have to do is take off my shirt and Donald Trump will give me anything I ask for”, said Vladimir Putin.

    (I do not vouch for the accuracy of that quote.)

    nk (dbc370)

  262. Sure running with a lot of gay themes lately there…

    Just sayin’…

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  263. And its been a running street battle for the better part of a week, in those none existent no go zonrs

    narciso (d1f714)

  264. Inaris, in Paris, its more like the strain in Malmk.

    narciso (d1f714)

  265. Sean,

    Ace is a coward and it’s incredibly sad seeing what’s happened to what used to be probably the best conservative blog, period. I guess he must really need this income and it’s just a business to him, rather than a passion like this blog is, but he’s gone the cowards way on a lot of things.

    If you even quote his commentary on Trump during the primary, or his commentary on the cowardice of not standing up to Kimberlin, you will almost certainly be perma-banned.

    You can tell when Trump’s defense force is really tied up because you’ll start to see his soulless cheerleading quoted ad nauseum. Trump’s fans are banking on the credibility ace earned through years of excellent blogging, but it’s already gone. No one cares what Ace has to say about anything, unless you are, of course, a Trump fan.

    Harkin, I love that you say I’m tied in knots when I simply called you a liar and pointed to this thread so folks can look. Your only fan in this thread is also a pretty notorious liar, who seems to like the taste of my ankles for some reason.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  266. (In the minds of some, I guess this furthers the predominant theme, Coronel)

    With regard to muslim riots in Europe, when Straight Outta Compton policing is not an option, go right to the last battle scene in The Last Samurai: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtuZ-fDL2E

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  267. Jarod isn’t working for subway, maybe the republicans could fit him in at cpac.

    mg (31009b)

  268. towards the rear end of the show.

    mg (31009b)

  269. Jimmy John’s, in the spirit of Sprint hiring the former Verizon “hear me now” guy, should hire Jarod for a commercial scripted as such: “its not just fast, its FREAKY fast” – then he opens one of the sandwiches that has sprouts and says “if there’s grass on the field….”.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  270. As if we forgot Kevin Jennings who made olicy at the education dept or bundled Terry bean, or the scandal surrounding bryan singer

    narciso (63624e)

  271. Ya know, we have right now an incredible opportunity to make the radical left irrelevant. Now if you guys could just stop ranting about the Donald and Milo perhaps we can put together a plan to show America just how un-American the left has become. Hell, we may even get new recruits.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:11 pm

    If only.

    Sometimes I think people are so used to losing that they actually prefer it. Gives them an excuse to complain and say woe is me.

    We definitely see victim status lauded on the left. Looks tempting to some I guess.

    The best thing Milo does is take one of the lefts’ shibboleths and shove it in their face.

    NJRob (ae0083)

  272. You can tell when Trump’s defense force is really tied up because you’ll start to see his soulless cheerleading quoted ad nauseum. Trump’s fans are banking on the credibility ace earned through years of excellent blogging, but it’s already gone. No one cares what Ace has to say about anything, unless you are, of course, a Trump fan.

    Harkin, I love that you say I’m tied in knots when I simply called you a liar and pointed to this thread so folks can look. Your only fan in this thread is also a pretty notorious liar, who seems to like the taste of my ankles for some reason.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 2/20/2017 @ 5:45 pm

    Says a lot more about you than him. He understands what the goal is, which is breaking the power of the left. Freedom doesn’t exist without it.

    He hasn’t lost his voice. Where’s yours?

    NJRob (ae0083)

  273. @ Dustin, #268:

    I’ll attest to that. Although, to be fair, I finished my time there by not only mentioning Ace’s backpedalling…again…but also by telling him to do something anatomically improper to himself with a corkscrew.

    So, yeah. I don’t hold a grudge. And I still go there every once in a while, just to see how he’s eloquently sold his soul today. But all he’s managed to prove to me is that the more someone talks, the easier it is for them to talk themselves out of the truth. I’ve got no regrets, and I’d never be a part of that Mos Eisley of a comments section again.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  274. TrumpH8er’s take is telling. I read that entire post from Ace about Milo and it seemed fairly non-commital – and slightly negative – about him as a person or media figure but counseled that it would be wise to be careful when using the tactics of the Left as they can quite easily be turned on them.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  275. That was my take as well Colonel.

    NJRob (ae0083)

  276. The tactics of the Left would be the Left threatening CPAC if Milo showed. Neither that, not the fear of that, was what cause the disinvite. Instead the SPONSORS asked themselves if they wanted to be associated with Milo and the found they did not. I suspect also that one or more people they DID want let them know that they didn’t care to share the stage with an apologist for little boy rapers.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  277. Interesting take at the beginning of the Ace piece:

    “PAC is now in the strange position of having invited someone precisely because he was not permitted to speak on college campuses due to his controversial statements, and yet now having banned him from speaking there due to his controversial statements.”

    Hello! Milo wasn’t prevented from speaking at Cal because of his statements or institutional censorship but because the lawless mob resorted to arson, vandalism and other violence to silence someone who shines the light on the statists.

    One can certainly say that Milo caused his own slide here. The main point will be if he learns to drop the immaturity and grandstanding because the torch-carriers will forever apply a double standard.

    When Trump (who once again I did not vote for) was deemed dead man walking by the chattering class after the “pussy” tape was stratigically exposed to maximize effect, the American people shrugged and still refused to elect the (with the possible exception of Barack Obama) most corrupt person ever to run for President.

    Hopefully Milo will tighten his delivery and continue to contribute on a grand scale – he really is great at making the real liars’ heads spin.

    Harkin (9d2fbb)

  278. Like I say, that would be the next level of escalation,

    narciso (5b08d6)

  279. And just as Salon joins the destroy Milo lynch mob, they conveniently delete all columns by actual pedophile Todd Nickerson

    http://www.salon.com/topic/todd_nickerson/

    Harkin (9d2fbb)

  280. Ed Schultz is speaking at CPAC.

    Do I have to claim him as “representing [me] as a conservative”?

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  281. melee is sick and needs help.

    mg (31009b)

  282. meelo

    mg (31009b)

  283. Romans 1 had the number of the nature of our malaise, those who recite it misapply the penalty, 2 Timothy is also valuable for understanding.

    narciso (87093d)

  284. Please don’t be a dupe.
    “The issue is never the issue; the issue is POWER.”
    SOUND FAMILIAR?!?

    It’s about taking down Trump…not pedophilia.
    Stop taking the bait.

    Kauf Buch (1a1354)

  285. Why would anyone be involved with melee now that he has been exposed as a freak?

    mg (31009b)

  286. I was surprised to see he booked a press conference for today

    His fate is way more in the hands of the people at Breitbart than his own i think and they’ve been very very quiet over there

    they haven’t scrubbed him from the site yet

    Paula Poundstone was able to ride out a sorta kinda but not really analogous situation many moons ago but a lot by blaming everything on alcoholism.

    Plus that was 20 years ago

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  287. There had already been, in the webosphere, concerns expressed by true/actual white nationalists about Milo becoming a fellow traveler. Dropping him may actually reinforce that narrative about Breitbart.

    urbanleftbehind (65de78)

  288. 287.melee is sick and needs help.
    mg (31009b) — 2/20/2017 @ 10:09 pm

    Only because he’s a self described “conservative faggot”. If he were a noble leftist Gay he would need civil rights and an annual parade of perversion.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/–ifhFsYKhTc/WKuFOzvgLRI/AAAAAAABGKc/Kvj3kHf_CCE1f8kbVinxZhSqxqc3zhySwCLcB/s1600/1ninetymiles0iLxY1r3xzouo1_1280.jpg

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  289. When did “white nationalist” meaning a white person who loves his country, any country, become synonymous with “white supremacist” who is a racist believing whites should be supreme over other races? We got to stop allowing the left to define the meaning of words.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  290. Rushdie said much the same things about Thatcher, some thirty five years ago, then he required the protection of special branch and changed his tune

    narciso (966230)

  291. When did “white nationalist” meaning a white person who loves his country, any country, become synonymous with “white supremacist” who is a racist believing whites should be supreme over other races? We got to stop allowing the left to define the meaning of words.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 5:48 am

    Open borders crowd on the right likes conflating the two terms.

    NJRob (43d957)

  292. We need to stop letting the left tell us that David Duke, Donald Trump, and Milo whatever his name is are bad guys just because they say and do bad things.

    You can tell it’s no big deal because of how the left is mad about it and we’re all partisans.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  293. i’m liking the nikki haley way more better than i expected

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  294. David duke is a non entity, he’s been chased out of eastern Europe, Russia even the mullahs don’t want him crashing on their couch,

    narciso (d1f714)

  295. he looks super creepy now too

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  296. White Nationalist is correct with regard to Richard Spencer. Hoagie, you are correct in that Steven Bannon is simply a Nationalist who is white.

    urbanleftbehind (65de78)

  297. Yeah but he’s a major Trump supporter. Gotta admit it. He’s the Alt Right. He probably has sex with farm animals, which is better than the Alt Right element that has sex with children I guess.

    I’m embarrassed for you guys to be represented by such major figures of hate.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  298. There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared), but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence. Skinheads, by and large, are low-information, low-IQ thugs driven by the thrill of violence and tribal hatred. The alternative right are a much smarter group of people — which perhaps suggests why the Left hates them so much. They’re dangerously bright.

    An explanation of the difference between racists and the alt-right.

    Oh but the source on that is fake news. I mean it’s Brietbart.

    Under Bannon’s Leadership, Breitbart Openly Embraced The White Supremacist Alt-Right. Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it. He used to brag regularly about helping to integrate his fraternity at Tulane University. He insisted that racial stories be treated with special care to avoid even the whiff of racism. With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers.

    Ben Shapiro

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  299. nonono the alt right means an alternative to sclerotic establishment losers like Mitch McConnell and Jeb Bush and anyone what ever joined a “gang of n” it has nothing to do with doing racism on anybody

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  300. Cannon gave schweitzer room to research the clinton foundAtion, he has a Mexican correspondent that covers the fetid abbatoir that pens nueto has turned Mexico into,

    narciso (d1f714)

  301. Dustin,

    are you ever going to speak about Black Lies Matter the way you speak about the Alt-Right?

    Do you have any interest in preserving Western Civilization? What is your goal to keep calling a large segment of the right as racist?

    NJRob (43d957)

  302. Tusk was the previous polish president who took over when the entire ptevios gift died near Katy, councidenve

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/hungary-unites-poland-beat-brussels

    narciso (d1f714)

  303. They are somelivesmatter, mostly those of career criminals, they don’t give a tinkers over the 752 deaths in Chicago last year

    narciso (d1f714)

  304. Now every other series on Spanish TV is about drug trafficker

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/02/20/graphic-cartel-kingpin-manhunt-triggers-infighting

    narciso (d1f714)

  305. I guess its racist to point this out, how spiking the ball over in Mexico, diesnt work any better than over here.

    narciso (d1f714)

  306. You notice how Dustin just mixed in the alt-right? Then gave two quotes without links to check them out. Then suddenly: “I’m embarrassed for you guys to be represented by such major figures of hate.” popped out. I can’t tell if he was referring to Spencer, Bannon, David Duke, Donald Trump or Milo the Greek. But apparently since they’re not leftists they’re phuking farm animals and raping children.

    We weren’t aware a politician had a choice in who “supports” him. Should we start naming communists, Nazis and terrorists who support democrats? Do we have the space?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  307. One could also accuse Breitbart of fomenting the cause that was the pre-cursor/previous employer to/of Los Zetas, the northeastern Mexican secession movement. Telemundo’s over-doing it on that front, they may have the better eye candy, but I like the fresa style of Univision’s prime time offerings more.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  308. Do you have any interest in preserving Western Civilization? What is your goal to keep calling a large segment of the right as racist?
    NJRob (43d957) — 2/21/2017 @ 6:43 am

    I believe his mission is accomplished, NJRob. Perhaps we should get a petition on Change.org like the one recently created by a person named Marcus Aurelius, asking billionaire leftist hypocrite, J.K. Rowling to house “Muslim refugees in her 18 spare bedrooms” — for Dustin so he too can show his commitment to the moslem and immigrant hordes. Or is he now an “alt-right”, another made up term meaning whatever the left wants it to mean at the time?

    Every time a leftist opens their mouth about immigration ask them how many immigrants they are housing and would they like you to call ICE and offer their house.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  309. No just pointing it out, univision is sinkining like its new acquisition gawkier and the onion.

    narciso (d1f714)

  310. The zetas, are former Mexican swat and Guatemalan sociasl forces that decided to cut out the middle man, and go into distribution on their own

    narciso (d1f714)

  311. It’s the conflating that results from a cluttered thought process, Hoagie. Much like Milo, he has issues.

    Colonel Haiku (c8a9e1)

  312. To the one who took him in and cared for him and spent so much in order to give him the life he deserves.. God is watching and he will watch over you and your family forever and shower you with blessings..Not all of us can do what you did.
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    vuduyaxi (168950)

  313. Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 2/21/2017 @ 7:18 am

    It’s deeply disturbing. I just want to understand the endgame. Have people say what they want honestly. No more name calling and guilt by association.

    NJRob (43d957)

  314. Between that and Mexican Elvis tributes, univision has jumped the shark,

    narciso (d1f714)

  315. “If the left is against it then we’re for it.”

    “What is this ‘it’ we’re supporting?”

    “It doesn’t matter. We’re for it.”

    “Okay, include me out of this stupid tribe.”

    SteveMG (ea62d2)

  316. I suspect that you guys get it, you’re not dumb, but refuse to admit it. Milo didn’t get his tit caught in the wringer because of what he is. His views and predilections are an issue because he got on his high horse and went around lecturing people, college kids at that, about what is good and what is bad. “Dude, you’re a f____ing weirdo. Don’t go telling us and our kids things.” Hmm?

    nk (9faaca)

  317. Right as of those are foreign experiences on American unibersities

    narciso (31d00b)

  318. Dead wrong nk.

    NJRob (ae0083)

  319. Milo didn’t get his tit caught in the wringer because of what he is. His views and predilections are an issue because he got on his high horse and went around lecturing people, college kids at that, about what is good and what is bad.

    Sorry nk, Milo got his tit caught in the wringer because he is our faggot, not their faggot. If he was wearing a pussy hat and screaming “we are all moslems” he would be invited to every talk show, college and kindergarten graduation. If the was this guy with an anti Trump message he’d be UC Berkeley’s valedictorian:

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-agMZFaIQ7AI/WKuSuiuCkzI/AAAAAAABfNI/ED4SlThcXOkaSUl63f_V2WDTjbNYEtt2gCLcB/s1600/daily_picdump_2440_02.jpg

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  320. Sorry, that should read:

    “If HE was this guy with an anti Trump message he’d be UC Berkeley’s valedictorian:”

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  321. Ed Schultz is speaking at CPAC.

    Do I have to claim him as “representing [me] as a conservative”?

    No. Would it be OK with you if I objected to his speaking there, since it’s supposed to be a conservative conference?

    I get it, though. He’s from Russia Today, so that will make Trump feel at home.

    Patterico (115b1f)


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