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1/10/2017

Trump, Russia And A Barrel Of Media Monkeys

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:33 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Because the madness that was 2016 wasn’t enough:

Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

The allegations were presented in a two-page synopsis that was appended to a report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible. The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.

These senior intelligence officials also included the synopsis to demonstrate that Russia had compiled information potentially harmful to both political parties, but only released information damaging to Hillary Clinton and Democrats. This synopsis was not an official part of the report from the intelligence community case about Russian hacks, but some officials said it augmented the evidence that Moscow intended to harm Clinton’s candidacy and help Trump’s, several officials with knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

The two-page synopsis also included allegations that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government, according to two national security officials.

Important note:

CNN has reviewed a 35-page compilation of the memos, from which the two-page synopsis was drawn. The memos originated as opposition research, first commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats. At this point, CNN is not reporting on details of the memos, as it has not independently corroborated the specific allegations. But, in preparing this story, CNN has spoken to multiple high ranking intelligence, administration, congressional and law enforcement officials, as well as foreign officials and others in the private sector with direct knowledge of the memos.

Allahpundit, whose full analysis you should read, reminds readers about a report in Mother Jones last October which included claims that they had heard that there “was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit.”

“Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance.” It maintained that Trump “and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals.” It claimed that Russian intelligence had “compromised” Trump during his visits to Moscow and could “blackmail him.” It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on “bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls.”

Caution: While CNN, and other major media outlets opted not to publish the full report because it hasn’t been verified and substantiated, BuzzFeed News, always a paragon of accurate and reliable reporting, decided to run the whole enchilada anyway. It should also be noted, and amusingly so, that BuzzFeed News acknowledges that the allegations made in the report they published have not been confirmed and that the report contains errors. Professional Journalism 2017: Always maintaining high standards!

To which Trump responded:

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And, coincidentally:

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2017 is going to be a very long year indeed.

P.S. Individuals named in the report are already vehemently pushing back.

–Dana

110 Responses to “Trump, Russia And A Barrel Of Media Monkeys”

  1. FFS.

    Dana (d17a61)

  2. us intelligence officials lol

    they let obama give iran the jew-nuking genocide bombs

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. All as truthy as Ted Cruz’s fathers involvement in the Kennedy matter or Obama’s real birthplace.

    The press conference should be delightful.

    Rick Ballard (1d7ced)

  4. CNN??

    Consider the source.

    Is this truly ‘news’ more titillating speculation seasoned with unsubstantiated ‘gossip’ from a flagging cable network that broadcasts cooking shows, repackaged old news footage and aired live ear piercings, dancing and drinking by its news readers as an international terrorist attack unfolded.

    “THIS is CNN.” – James Earl Jones

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  5. No, this was Ubs, the national enquirer doesn’t hold itself as a serious news source, except for the mib, now Wayne madden took a look at this and snirflrd

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. this blog licks licks licks this poop up anymore like how a dog eats its own vomit

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  7. Hey, I’ve been out of the loop for a few hours. Has President-elect Grab ‘Em By The Pee Hole done anything embarrassing today?

    Icy (478447)

  8. Trump is a man for, and of, our times. And compared to many, he is exceptional. It all began with “No new taxes!”, and we’ve been probing to find the bottom ever since. Trump might even be a shoal compared to our recent past.

    BobStewartatHome (b91fcc)

  9. Oh, my! And here I’ve been wasting my time watching old episodes of “Car 54, Where Are You?” and “The Beverly Hillbillies”, when I could have ten times the entertainment by Googling “Trump”.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. FAAAAAKKEEE. It’s fake fakery, fake news, fake-ity fake fake FAAAKE news fake. Fake. Lalalalalalalallalalalalala I CAAAAAANNN’TT HEEEEAAARR YOOOUUU. Fake fake fake fake fake fake fake the donald would never do that no way so it’s gotta be faaaaakkke fake news fake fake fake

    Leviticus (70ca80)

  11. The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible.

    I wonder if it’s the same guy George Michael tied up.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. Any spy service worth its salt should have been doing this ever since Trump became important politically, and at the very least since he announced he was a candidate for President. And the KGB has proven itself to be worth its salt over the decades. (I don’t remember the current name for the KGB…). The only bit which draws my scepticism is that Trumpistas have been knowingly working with the Russians.

    Kishnevi (c2a547)

  13. boy george was the one what did the tie up thing I thought

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. It came from 4chan, passed over to mensch then Wilson, an infinite level of absurdity.

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. “It came from 4chan” would make a great title for a Cthulhu mythos story.

    Kishnevi (c2a547)

  16. You’re right, happyfeet. Boy George. My apologies to the late Mr. Michael.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. They tossed in an extra two pages because the original 25 were weak.

    Lets start by agreeing that Russians didn’t through mechanical or electronic means cause even one vote to be changed once it was cast. So saying that “Putin hacked the election” is just wrong.

    So say we all. ~~ Commander William “Bill” Adama (callsign “Husker”) from the series Battlestar Galactica

    papertiger (c8116c)

  18. Okay, FSB handles internal matters, and SVR handles external stuff.

    Kishnevi (c2a547)

  19. Seriously is everyone at CNN and buzzfeed on bath salt?

    narciso (d1f714)

  20. four months ago, if hillary had retweeted Donald Trumps tweet about asking the Russians what was on Hillary’s server with,

    While we are at it let’s ask Putin what’s on Trumps tax returns

    that would have been some smart politics.

    BUT Hillary isn’t a smart politician.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  21. I’ve been out all evening. Thank God I missed most of the golden shower. From a quick view of sources online it looks like the emergency is already falling apart and 4 chan is laughing their asses off. I am going to sleep and will look for updates in the morning. I like Tapper better than most of the MSM guys and am sorry he is involved in this.

    elissa (57fdec)

  22. Glen Reynolds has mentioned the words libel counsel with respect to Buzzfeed publishing claims they have admitted are unverifiable. Sleep well my pretties.

    elissa (57fdec)

  23. “Pictures of Trump with prostitutes” is easily verifiable. There are hundreds of them just from the Convention in July.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. Okay, FSB handles internal matters, and SVR handles external stuff.
    Kishnevi (c2a547) — 1/10/2017 @ 7:55 pm

    ..
    Now that we have that handled…

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  25. Sweet dreams, elissa. The Democrats with bylines will never run short of rubes who lap this stuff up, including a few of the #NeverTrump ponces around here.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. This could be a major (and very real) scandal, in one particular way.

    I’ve been reading the 4chan threads on this. I find it quite plausible that it did indeed originate in 4chan, as a hoax.

    But, if it’s a 4chan (or any other) hoax, it’s not a scandal, right? Wrong! It’s very much a scandal, a massive one, if a hoax really did make its way into an intel report! That would, at best, be incompetence on a truly magnificent scale – and is likely politically driven, which makes it in this case criminal, too.

    Arizona CJ (191c8a)

  27. Its full scanners territory, coronello. They couldn’t name who put this mad magazine sketch together?

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. this blog licks licks licks this poop up anymore like how a dog eats its own vomit

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 1/10/2017 @ 7:08 pm

    Happyfeet, did you misread and/or misconstrue the post?

    Dana (d17a61)

  29. Dana, I think he did. I think he quite missed it. [YouTube – bad baseball swings]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  30. Yes, it is narciso. They’ve fallen back to throwing mud against a wall to see what sticks.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. That’s not mud, Coronello.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  32. D’OH!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  33. @24 nk

    The proper 4chan terminology is “t*ts or GTFO.”

    Pinandpuller (d94560)

  34. If it’s shown that 4-chan’s trolling made it into a CIA report, we need to fire the entire government bureaucracy and then interview each person to determine if they are worthy of being rehired. Gut the entire bureaucracy.

    NJRob (43d957)

  35. My. The stench from the swamp is getting awfully strong this week. Past time to drain it. This has that ‘J. Edgar’ stink about it. You know- ‘hey, I got a hold of that file on you but don’t worry, it’s safe with me.’ A shot across the bow by the intel boys and girls to the President-elect for mussing up their hair in public last week.

    DTS, Donald, starting January 21.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. Here’s a part Dana probably ought to have bolded:

    “The memos originated as opposition research, first commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats.”

    Our intelligence agencies are in oppo research now against domestic candidates?

    OK then.

    Gabriel Hanna (678b43)

  37. From that pro-Trump shill David French at that pro-trump rag National Review:

    We don’t know if any of the claims are true. The intelligence community is at least taking them seriously enough to brief Trump. Oh, and “multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings” are leaking like a sieve to CNN.

    This is all disturbing. From the leaks, to the Buzzfeed document dump, to the substance of the allegations themselves. Are there “officials” who hate Trump so much that they’re willing to leak information that they know will lead to widespread public fear that the president-elect is compromised by a hostile foreign power? If so, that’s extraordinary. Or, just as extraordinary, are there officials who are so concerned by Trump’s potential ties to Russia that they’re willing to risk a public firestorm to jump-start an investigation? And yes, there are members of the media who hate Trump so much that they’re willing to print the wildest possible rumors, repeat them across the web, and then mock him relentlessly based on claims that can likely never be properly investigated, much less proven.

    That our intelligence agencies are willing to involve themselves in politics like this ought to be the thing we are talking about. It’s too bad it took the election of Donald Trump to expose it, because this isn’t going to end well for anyone.

    Gabriel Hanna (678b43)

  38. @narcisco, elissa, nk, pinandpuller:

    I read 4chan so you won’t have to. (For a while I was thinking the commentariat here was getting pretty unhealthy, but 4chan has readjusted my perspective on that.)

    They’re arguing about whether or not it had anything to do with any of them. One of them did send something to Rick Wilson about a sextape, but they’re arguing over whether this is the “shower” story or not. The “shower” story is the only part they think might have come from any of them.

    Gabriel Hanna (678b43)

  39. I don’t think I misconstrued I think fake news sites like CNN and amazon turdlord jeffy bezos’s wapo are setting the agenda here anymore

    This too shall pass I’m sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  40. “Barrel Of Media Monkeys” is on the subtle side, not to mention that there are three words there with more than one syllable.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. the story isn’t that failmerica’s wanton anderson cooper propaganda slut media is behaving like wanton propaganda sluts

    it’s the corruption and politicization of failmerica’s risible intelligence organizations like comey’s corrupt and feckless FBI what are peddling this fake news poop that’s the story here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  42. You have a point. The only crimes Comey’s FBI solves are the ones it has helped commit. Nonetheless, it’s always fun to make fun of the Fifth Column … ahem, I mean the Fourth Estate.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. Let’s be honest, now. Without the media turdlords giving Trump a billion dollars worth of free publicity, he’d have gone the way of Gary Johnson. That’s gotta be making them put the razor to their throats when they look into the mirror to shave.

    nk (dbc370)

  44. yes yes but me i’d have to include the linked anonymous blogger from third-rate click-bait site “Hot Air” among that estate

    if i were being honest

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  45. Heh. From Tapper:

    Government source confirms different Michael Cohen was in Prague

    Dana (d17a61)

  46. does the tapperpoodle understand the flow chart of when you’re supposed to get confirmation relative to publishing stuff?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. Dude’s not even in office yet and he’s already covered in scandal. Not surprising, but it is vindicating. He’s a joke, and not even a good joke, but a bad, sad joke. “Believe me. That I can tell you.”

    Tillman (a95660)

  48. This particular “scandal”, though, really is by high school kids or some 400 lb guy on 4chan.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. Or maybe Kellyanne Conway planted it herself in order to discredit the intelligence services and the media who jumped on it and their reports of other, true scandals? Hmm.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. You’re confusing innuendo with scandal Tillman. But it is “vindicating” to watch all the spoiled leftists go bonkers making false accusations that just don’t seem to stick. All the while Obummers “legacy” turns to shit and Hillary will never, ever be president.

    P.S. loved the pic, nk.

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-canQkYIR1Gw/WGuv41XTTQI/AAAAAAABhZg/8UiqGuHnjN8/detroit%252520bankruptcy_thumb%25255B8%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  51. How could this get any more bizarre and troubling? Why, if John McCain was a principal actor in the “evidence trail”, that’s how.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4108960/How-Trump-s-nemesis-John-McCain-kicked-Kremlin-memo-scandal-handing-dossier-FBI-sending-emissary-abroad-collect-it.html

    elissa (661d39)

  52. #50 Poor Tillman heard golden shower, and he got all excited.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  53. This explains why he’s kissing the KGB-Man’s rear end, without even blushing and for all the world to see. He’s being black-mailed. ‘Makes perfect sense now.

    NK, I don’t think Kellyanne wants to damage Trump. Fake news works – that’s how Trump was elected and why so many people still believe BS. But, it’s rich hearing Republicans complain about Fake News! Let me pull out my teeny–tiny violin here…

    Tillman (a95660)

  54. MD’s Projection Observation,
    Anything a non-lib is accused of, was done by a lib first…

    How long have we been talking about how HRC was probably blackmailable by half of the world because of her private unsecured illegitimate server???????

    Cue Homer Simpson, “Dooh!”

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  55. Heh. From Tapper:Government source confirms different Michael Cohen was in Prague
    Dana (d17a61) — 1/11/2017 @ 6:43 am

    Dana, I’ll bet at this point Jake is really really really wishing that Don Lemon had been given the big “scoop” to report instead of him.

    elissa (661d39)

  56. Fake news,
    Here is some fake news for you
    “Barack Obama will be a post-partisan, post-racial president who will bring the country together,
    and he will make sure you can keep your plan and doctor because he said so.”

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  57. #55 Tillman wrote, “Let me pull out my teeny-tiny …”

    Please please please don’t finish that sentence.
    You’ve had enough arousal for one day with all the talk about golden showers.

    We realize you’re angry about the fact Hillary only won 20 states, but it’s an election result which is a happy ending for America.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  58. I was saying that Kellyanne may be trying to create a “Boy Who Cried Wolf” effect to protect Trump from real wolves scandals.

    nk (dbc370)

  59. Anyway, elissa trumped me with McCain.

    nk (dbc370)

  60. Cruz Supporter doesn’t have a brain, so he predictably resorts to insults. That’s all the degenerate’s got.

    Tillman (a95660)

  61. Fake or not, it should make for an interesting Semiannual Press Conference.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  62. nk, I am sort of worried that with this McCain revelation Mr. Feets may require a well being check.

    elissa (661d39)

  63. #62 Tillman, wow, you’re right, I don’t have a brain!

    But guess what — that doesn’t change the fact Hillary only won 20 states.
    America rejected a Barack third term.
    Barack himself said the election would be a referendum on his Administration’s record.
    Six states which voted for Barack in 2012 said they were tired of receiving golden showers from the Democrats.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  64. The memos originated as opposition research, first commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats.

    It was almost certainly not “commisisoned by” but “sold to” and it wasn’t anti-Trump Republicans who came up with this, any more than they came with some of the other things against trump, or taht Trump invented the Cruz coonnection to the JFK assassination.

    People who wanted Clinton to be president is a more likely actual sponser.

    In his speech yesterday, it would have been better for Barack Obama, when he encouraged people to enter politics, to mention that this kind of srttuff will happen to anyone.

    Sammy Finkelman (dcc9ca)

  65. Poor McCain. Another bombing run ending in a crack-up.

    nk (dbc370)

  66. Trump press conference about to begin. If it’s like what he did during the campaign, itwill be relatively long, and wide-ranging. Giulaini and Chrsistie are back in favot – Tillerson saying strong words or regukar words about Russia.

    Sammy Finkelman (dcc9ca)

  67. More like when his A-4 set his carrier on fire.

    crazy (d3b449)

  68. Trump showed a surprising amount of erudition in his press conference, with his Nazi Germany references. Hitler was able to take complete control of the Wehrmacht because Himmler revealed that its top general was married to a former prostitute and then framed his replacement as a homosexual.

    That’s in the “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, MD.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. By William L. Shirer.

    nk (dbc370)

  70. Tweets, not press conference, I guess. Not my fault, I get my information from the media.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. #theydidsomethingtohisbrain

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  72. Two front War declared a minute into Trump’s presser…

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  73. “War Declared on Intelligence Community and the Democrats-with-bylines”

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  74. Ima gonna watcher it.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. Sigh. The military does not have segments, it has branches.

    nk (dbc370)

  76. Sarah does not get VA, it’s some guy named David.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. Thanks, nk.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  78. My goodness, more faked news that I didn’t even suspect:
    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/airport-shooter-converted-islam-identified-aashiq-hammad-years-joining-army/

    Getting to the point where if you are not paranoid of the government you have a problem.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  79. Fake or not, it should make for an interesting Semiannual Press Conference.

    Leviticus (efada1) — 1/11/2017 @ 7:48 am

    That the best you got?

    No fake, but accurate?

    NJRob (43d957)

  80. What bothers me about the Fail Bureau of Investigation is its “In your face” attitude. “Sure, we knew about the Boston Bombers months in advance. And we knew about the Orlando nightclub shooter months in advance. And we knew about the Ft. Lauderdale shooter months in advance. And we let them go ahead and kill people. And what are you going to do about it, sheeple?”

    nk (dbc370)

  81. To be fair, NJRob, every Trump press conference is interesting, in a disgusting way.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  82. Doc, do you think the FBI in Anchorage missed this? Or perhaps they decided that since he was a muslim, his visions and compulsions weren’t a sign of insanity, just a measure of religious devotion?

    This is the same crowd of embedded political operatives in the FBI who couldn’t see anything of note in Fast and Furious: who looked at the Washington voting scandal in the Rossi nonelection a decade ago and determined there was nothing there; who looked at Hillary! and excused her; who bought into the “yellow rain” fabrication brought to them by McCain; who were indifferent to weaponizing the IRS to deny 1st Amendment freedoms to conservatives; and so on. And yet they were capable of orchestrating the ambush of the wildlife center occupiers in Oregon that resulted in Finicum’s death, and numerous other assaults on the inhabitants of flyover country. So they are not harmless.

    Trump has his work cut out for him.

    BobStewartatHome (fa8221)

  83. NBC: Intel chiefs did not brief Trump on supposed compromising material, saw it as “disinformation”

    Sounds like everything about CNN’s hysterical report of Buzzfed gossip was wrong.

    crazy (d3b449)

  84. What I like about the Trump Era is how he pwns all the right people.

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  85. tapperpoodle made a piddle on the bed

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  86. I’m amused how the MSM won’t identify the religion of terrorists until weeks after an incident, but they’re excited to talk about golden showers before they get any confirmation of third hand allegations.

    Journalism 101!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  87. Trump b-tch slaps CNN with ‘You are fake news.’

    Broadcasting news readers getting ears pierced, doing shots and partying while a terrorist attack is going on half a world away is fake news indeed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. OMG… CNN exposed, LOL

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  89. Can’t wait for Patterico’s post…

    Colonel Haiku (6c3d91)

  90. CNN issues response, essentially saying they were simply passing along the gossip like everybody else, but not reporting content.

    Golly. WHO was that retired MI-6 agent source anyway, Jake?

    Blount?
    Philby?
    Burgess?

    Or was it Bond. James Bond…

    “THIS is CNN.” – James Earl Jones

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. I believe it was CNN’s Jim Acosta who needed the safe space during that presser.

    I’m also thinking the ol’ media cocktail party circuit may not be nearly so much fun and collegial as internecine warfare between networks and individual reporters escalates with respect to covering the new admin and some get a clue. Mika really went after CNN and Buzzfeed today for example. Tom Brokaw was at the table and admitted that he and Richard Engel had had, and had been working internationally to authenticate/verify the story in question for a while but had not been able to do so.

    elissa (770629)

  92. nk (dbc370) — 1/11/2017 @ 8:19 am

    Tweets, not press conference, I guess. Not my fault, I get my information from the media.

    He was asked about that at his press conference, tpp. It was the first one of a barrage of questions asked by Major Garrett. Trump, like so many people answered the last one first, but he finally managed to get his question in. Trump didn’t explain what was similiar about this accusation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/us/politics/trump-press-conference-transcript.html

    President-elect, I have a question about the Supreme Court and border security. But I also wanted to ask you about something you said on Twitter this morning. Are we living in Nazi Germany? What were you driving at there? Do you have a problem with the intelligence community?

    … QUESTION: The tweet that you had this morning about are we living in Nazi Germany, what were you driving at there? What are you trying to tell the American public?

    TRUMP: I think it was disgraceful — disgraceful that the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake out. I think it’s a disgrace, and I say that — and I say that, and that’s something that Nazi Germany would have done and did do. I think it’s a disgrace that information that was false and fake and never happened got released to the public.

    As far as Buzzfeed, which is a failing pile of garbage, writing it, I think they’re going to suffer the consequences. They already are. And as far as CNN going out of their way to build it up — and by the way, we just found out I was coming down. Michael Cohen — I was being — Michael Cohen is a very talented lawyer. He’s a good lawyer in my firm. It was just reported that it wasn’t this Michael Cohen they we’re talking about. So all night long it’s Michael Cohen.

    I said, “I want to see your passport.” He brings his passport to my office. I say, hey, wait a minute. He didn’t leave the country. He wasn’t out of the country. They had Michael Cohen of the Trump Organization was in Prague. It turned out to be a different Michael Cohen. It’s a disgrace what took place. It’s a disgrace and I think they ought to apologize to start with Michael Cohen.

    It looks like he didn’t quite have that example with what the Nazis did to some high ranking members of the German military in mind. Maybe he had the slanders the Nazis published in mind.

    Sammy Finkelman (dcc9ca)

  93. There is some claim that people at 4chan and at reddit claimed they invented the golden shower story. Even if true, that’s not the end (or the beginning) of it.

    Sammy Finkelman (dcc9ca)

  94. @Sammy Finkelman:There is some claim that people at 4chan and at reddit claimed they invented the golden shower story. Even if true, that’s not the end (or the beginning) of it.

    See my post above. tl; dr 4chan is not sure if one of theirs planted it or not.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  95. tl; dr?

    Sammy Finkelman (dcc9ca)

  96. The golden shower story was that Trump hired some hookers to pee on the bed Obama slept on in the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton in Moscow while there in 2013 for a Miss Universe pagent.

    In 2013 the President attended a G-20 summit meeting at Constantine Palace in St. Petersburg Russia. Not Moscow.

    Getting past peeing on a bed as a revenge which is insane, Trump carrying a grudge about if Obama embarrassed him, maybe with the birth certificate thing, but getting the hotel wrong, in the wrong city?

    This reminds me of the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeves. You can make the argument that Superman swooping down to save Lois Lane inches from being splattered on the sidewalk defys the laws of motion, that Lois in the real world would have hit the “arms of steel” at 300 MPH and been cut into three even pieces,
    But first you have to deal with there’s NO SUCH THING as Superman!!!

    It’s a comic book you dork.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  97. @Sammy Finkleman:tl; dr?

    “too long, didn’t read”

    It’s used for two purposes: to denigrate someone else’s comment that they worked hard on, or to indicate that you are about to present a summary of something longer that you don’t want to repeat at this time.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  98. I really cannot recommend that anyone go to 4chan and see for themselves. One does not simply walk in to 4chan.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  99. MD @ 80. I heard

    First: That the airport shooter might have gone visited Islamist web sites several yeasr ago used a fake name.

    Second: That there’s picture of him wearing an “Islamic scarf” And another pointing a finger in a way that Islamic terrorists do. (but they didn’t know what it meant. Maybe he was imitating them)

    And also that the FBI had retrived his laptop from an Alaskan pawn shop/

    He had after all, told the FBI in Anchorage that he thought the CIA was forcing him to watch Islamist videos. so it would all be the same thing: caving in to voices in his head.

    Now it’s said that he converted to Islam? The Judicial Watch report doesn’t actually back taht up. It says that he used a jihadist name, not that he eer formally changed it or joined in anything Islamic. And it couldn’t be before he joine dthe army because he joined the army for the first time in 2007.

    Sammy Finkelman (dcc9ca)

  100. Isn’t 4chan also the origin of Pizzagate? Or rather an attempt to interpret the Podesta e-mails as if they were something from Nostradamus and make them mean something else?

    Sammy Finkelman (dcc9ca)

  101. @Sammy: 4chan is like here, and most other places on the internet, but cranked up to 11. There are pro- and anti-Trump factions there. There are lots of people who just like to troll in both factions, but the shenanigans they get up to tend to have different targets.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  102. 103. 4chan then, can mean anybody, except that it is untraceable.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  103. @Sammy: 4chan then, can mean anybody, except that it is untraceable.

    Yeah, there is no one who speaks for that group, and no coherent direction.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  104. The whole idea that Putin was against hillary since 2011 (and now pro-Trump too, since 2011! – do they take us all for fools?) is obvious disinformation, probably intended to hide what this si all abouty.

    Hillary was on friendly terms with Putin past 2011.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    I think the big break came with the Euromaiden Revolution in Ukraine (Tillerson still calls “the Ukraine”) in February 2014. Where Victoria Nuland played a big role. Putin thought Victoria Nuland was one of Hillary’s women, so everything taht Nuland wanted, Putin thought Hillary wanted.

    Actually she was not one of Hillary’s women or she would not have remained in the State Department long after Hillary left. But Putin may not uncerstand that.

    This can’t have anything to do with Hillary’s pro-forma criticism of the Russian Parliamentary elections in 2011. Something is wrong at the intelligence agencies for even saying that.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  105. 105. 4chan then, is just a way for anyone to start the ball rolling in a completely denianable way.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  106. @Sammy:4chan then, is just a way for anyone to start the ball rolling in a completely denianable way.

    It is every caricature of the internet, consciously emulated, how about that? The anonymity, the lack of norms, etc.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  107. Bob,
    I have no idea.
    I’ve said before that we ought not to believe anything anyone says anymore until they have been interrogated by Jack Bauer,
    Or at least cross examined by our host under oath.

    If one can believe Plame was undercover at the time and compromised by somebody related to Bush, that Nidal perpetrated work place violence, and that HRC did nothing worth prosecuting,
    Then one can believe who knows what.

    Judicial Watch in general has been one of the groups that have kept us from full Orwell, so I do give them more credit than I would anyone else

    MD in Philly (f9371b)


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