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12/31/2016

Donald Trump Ushers in the New Year At Mar-A-Lago, And Wishes His Enemies A Happy New Year

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:21 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Happy New Year’s Eve! I hope everyone has a great, and safe time welcoming in the New Year.

Just think, if you had come across some loose change hidden under your couch cushions, you could have joined 800 privileged guests at Donald Trump’s swanky Mar-a-ago New Year’s Eve party. Your mere $500 ticket price would have opened the door to a luxurious evening of cocktails, dinner and dancing in the grand ballroom at the exclusive club. Leading the moneyed movers and shakers, will be designated “very special guests,” President-elect Trump, incoming first lady Melania Trump, and their son Barron Trump. While the party is considered a tradition at the club, this is the first year that Trump will be both owner of the club and the President-elect.

If you’re concerned that one of President-elect Trump’s businesses charged money for an event at which he will be in attendance, and one presumes, mingling with the many guests, don’t be silly. This from White House Director of Strategic Communications Hope Hicks:

“The transition is not concerned about the appearance of a conflict,” she said. “This is an annual celebratory event at the private club, like others that have continued to occur since the election. Additionally, the president cannot and does not have a conflict.”

Further, the President-elect also took a moment to wish everyone a Happy New Year:

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(Given the events of this past week, it would be reasonable to assume that Trump is specifically referring to Putin and Russia with his enemies reference, but based on Trump’s open admiration of Putin, shockingly, that doesn’t seem likely. There are those positing that his enemy reference points to Obama and the Democrats. A gloating over his stunning election victory, if you will. No matter what your guess is, a good rule of thumb when it comes to cryptic Trump tweets, is to keep the whole character of Donald Trump in mind. Specifically, his inability to let go of any who challenge him or criticize him. Coupled with the inability to let things roll off his back, is his record keeping of those who have offended him. And given that Trump has consistently used Twitter to joust and jab, and prod and provoke those whom he has felt slighted by, this opens the door to any number of possible enemies . Sadly, this could even include his primary opponents. Or perhaps, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Big Media, etc., etc.)

–Dana

164 Responses to “Donald Trump Ushers in the New Year At Mar-A-Lago, And Wishes His Enemies A Happy New Year”

  1. Happy New Year’s Eve!

    Dana (d17a61)

  2. And to all a good year.

    Kishnevi (86e9bc)

  3. Damn son, are you ever going to give it up? Trump is a New Yorker – that’s all that needs to be said. You don’t need to carry this cross forever. Cheer up, Hillary will never be president. Think half full vs. half empty.

    oldgeezer (9a3891)

  4. Dana is ignorant. Trump is love. Happy New Year!

    Lyle Smith (d00f7d)

  5. If it was Hillary, the tickets would be $5,000 each.

    $500 wouldn’t be much more than cost for a swanky event in NY.

    Craig Mc (c8ba9d)

  6. There are music concerts and sporting events that cost more than $500 a ticket.

    Lyle Smith (d00f7d)

  7. Trump is too small a person to be worth spitting on and certainly not worth spoiling our good mood over his antics on New Year’s Eve.

    Happy New Year, everybody!

    nk (dbc370)

  8. Happy new year all, lets lay our festivus activities aside

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. Delightful!

    Happy New Year, everyone!

    ThOR (c9324e)

  10. Well, he said many enemies.

    Trump takes the position of wishing them well, and notes that others (?) who fought him
    don’t know what to do with themselves.

    The meaning would be that the enemies are enemies because they consider themselves his enemies, not because Trump does, and there some others who fought him, but are more besides themsevles than they are enemies.

    “Enemies” here is mostly a reference to U.S. politics. After all who criticizes him a lot? Who doesn’t want him to be “normalized?” His enemies are not outside the United States.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  11. Putin, he might be considered an ememy of teh United States, but not of Trump.

    At this point, Putin may be afraid of what Trump may do.

    Trump nearly named Mitt Romney ? as Secretary of State, and we know what he said about Russia.

    He did name Rex Tillerson, but Rex Tillerson isn’t necessarily so friendly to Putin. He was critical in 2008 – he was very friendly in 2013, but that could be only because he was afraid Putin wold steal Exxon’s assets on some kind of trumped up legal grounds, so he wouldn’t really be friendly to him, and now he has or will have no stake in Exxon.

    And Trump’s tweet about a nuclear arms race was taken as a rebuke to Putin (Trump often tweets without saying what set him off.)

    And now he said that Putin made a very smart decision not to retaliate, which could be taken as ominously as almost threatening, too. (i.e. it’s smart because he’s avoiding a fight)

    Putin may have tried to elect Trump, but now he’s maybe not so sure what he got.

    Putin may also have worked against Trump at times and places, or worked to manipulate him, and he may be afraid that Trump may find out.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  12. oldgeezer (9a3891) — 12/31/2016 @ 5:40 pm

    Trump is a New Yorker – that’s all that needs to be said.

    He wants to win re-election, and he wants to carry New York in 2020, as unachievable maybe as that might sound.

    Sammy Finkelman (7cd5f4)

  13. Trump is a New Yorker – that’s all that needs to be said.

    Which is plenty.

    “Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn’t advise you to try to invade.” – Rick Blaine [Humphrey Bogart] Casablanca, 1942

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. on the obverse whose living rent free in your head?

    You have a Trumpkey on your back. A funky Trumpkey.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  15. We hired Trump so we wouldn’t have to worry over the minutia of day to day political doings in Washington.
    He’s got it covered. We can go back to surfing for cat videos.

    Here’s a good one.

    It already worked on Pat.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  16. Happy new year to Dana, Patterico, and everyone who follows this site.

    Charlie Davis (df08d0)

  17. Thank Glorious Christian White Jesus that Barack Obama and stinkypig never did any record-keeping of those who offended them

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  18. R.I.P. William Christopher, actor best known as Father Mulcahy on M*A*S*H

    Icy (20f75f)

  19. Damn son, are you ever going to give it up? Trump is a New Yorker – that’s all that needs to be said. You don’t need to carry this cross forever. Cheer up, Hillary will never be president. Think half full vs. half empty.
    oldgeezer (9a3891) — 12/31/2016 @ 5:40 pm

    — Yep, he’s not Hillary; and that fact (especially in the area of policy positions) is crucial when evaluating Trump. At the same time, there is no compelling reason whatsoever to dismiss or disregard Trump’s narcissistic and vengeful BullyA-holeScumbag behavior.

    Icy (f58de6)

  20. so does that include you?

    name (915e72)

  21. My guess is the enemies Trump is talking about are Americans who opposed and/or voted against him, especially conservatives who fought so hard against him and lost. You know. The people on his list.

    DRJ (15874d)

  22. 2016 saw Mr. Trump take out the Clinton trash and the Bush trash. That was a heavy lift and he made it look easy.

    He is so good, and I’m humbly grateful for all he’s done for America.

    I wish him continued success in 2017, purging America’s ruling class of the filth and the parasites and the perverts.

    He’s doing God’s work.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. Mr happyfeet, there’s only 19 more shopping days until the big day! Barack and his family will finally be evicted from their house, and Mr Donald can begin to MAGA!
    In honor of the occasion, America will party like it’s 2017!
    I’m saving my best bottle of wine for the festivities. If there’s a Mrs happyfeet in your life, you might consider buying her a respectable Republican cloth coat to wear, just like Mr Nixon said he used to buy for Mrs Nixon.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  24. i’m thinking hunting jackets are more apropos this year

    something posh from the house of mossy oak

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. Your mere $500 ticket price would have opened the door to a luxurious evening of cocktails, dinner and dancing

    Kind of reminds me of Dr. Evil just waking up from the 60’s and holding the world ransom.
    “Five Hundred Dollars’! [jpg]

    What? [jpg]

    papertiger (c8116c)

  26. #22

    Bravo, happy!

    ThOR (c9324e)

  27. Chicago… a cesspool of vile racism and corruption…

    “The Chicago Review of Books claims to be “dedicated to diverse voices in literature.” At least, that’s what it says on its Twitter account. But all is not well at the ChiRevBks because publishing giant Simon & Schuster just signed a $250K book deal with “a leading white nationalist.” Because of this, ChiRevBks tweeted “In response to this disgusting validation of hate, we will not cover a single @simonschuster book in 2017.”

    So, who is this avatar of “white nationalism” that the ever-diverse ChiRevBks is so repulsed by that all of their diversity has to be jettisoned like excess luggage on a sinking lifeboat? Is it Richard Spencer, leader of some 200 white guys that nobody heard of or cared about until the MSM started screaming and yelling about him and running around with their hair was on fire? Could it be Zombie Adolf Hitler, risen from the grave and hiding out somewhere disguised as some Donald Trump precinct captain? Or perhaps it was some Kooky Kleagle of the KKK that they found in the Alabama Democratic Party HQ’s basement? Who could it be?

    Surprise! It was Milo Yiannopoulos! Really? Yes, really.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/367635.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. ugh i had to buy a copy

    why do they make me do that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  29. Chicago book review

    Oprah, Gayle, and Stedman. Sometimes Phil Donahue, but only if he grovels.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  30. I love how Mr Donald tweets a tweet about people who oppose him losing their minds
    and then they all lose their minds
    just like he predicted they would

    advantage: Mr Donald

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  31. Funny and true tweet.

    Gateway pundit has a list of the best 2016 memes too. So funny!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  32. So, the response of most of the people on this thread is to stick their fingers in their ears. Do you guys not take Dana’s point? Do you not take DRJ’s point?

    Leviticus (70ca80)

  33. Milo does befuddle them so, like a Cheshire cat, then again Chicago review, snirflem

    narciso (d1f714)

  34. Greetings:

    A couple of things for all you out-of-town sociologists so recently troubled by the realization that Mr. Trump is “a New Yorker”.

    If it will help you find your safe space or de-trigger, Mr. Trump is certainly a New Yorker in a sorta, kinda, kind of way. As much as I hate to spread our geographic dirty linen among the unaware, in a paraphrase of another author of military bent, all New York (City, that is) is divided into five boroughs, four of which are off-shore islands barely attached to continental USofA by some steel and concrete strands. Now as incipient sociologists you all should be somewhat aware that geography does, in fact, effect behavior and not necessarily in a positive direction. Admittedly, our City Fathers and Mothers and Whatevers have done much via underground transport to delude those islanders as to their actual connections and relationships but, in order to try to tamp down the above hysteria, I am wiling to share how the local semantics reveal this deep dark secret.

    You see, if you live in the Bronx, when you go to Chief Manhattan’s former island, you say you are going “downtown”. Not to Manhattan, not to New York City, but “downtown”. This is a hint that the islander folk seem never to quite get, if you know what I mean. It clearly establishes the appropriate geographical, and dare I say sociological hierarchy so important to any community. The mainlanders try not to lord it over the islanders, because, you know, they’re islanders and subject to all kinds of fevers against which mainlanders long ago developed some kind of Darwinian immunity. So, when the islanders say, referring to going to Manhattan, that they’re going to “the city”, mainlanders just nod knowingly and allow them their wont. But that’s the giveaway. They know that they are near but not of. So please, allow them all a bit of geographical or sociological slack and let them live their version of a dream.

    And a couple of last bits for lovers of education, anything north of the Bronx is Canada, anything west of the Hudson is Dayton.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  35. “Enemies” have been underestimating Trump for decades and he’s played them and won.

    There’s a lot of Merv Griffins in the world. Putin. Conservatives. Tedtoo… Jeb… Willard… Hillary. She underestimated Trump, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. Its too early in the year, for anxiety, like macklemore’s venture into category error.

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. @34. You could have saved a lot of time by just posting a link to Saul Steinberg’s New Yorker cover art from 1976. That pretty much sums it up.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  38. Greetings, DCSCA: ( @ 37 (797bc0) — 1/1/2017 @ 2:37 pm )

    I’ve heard it said that “Getting there is half the fun.”

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  39. Your mere $500 ticket price would have opened the door to a luxurious evening of cocktails, dinner and dancing in the grand ballroom at the exclusive club. Leading the moneyed movers and shakers, will be designated “very special guests,” President-elect Trump, incoming first lady Melania Trump, and their son Barron Trump.

    A bargain, considering $840 gets you one ticket to the Broadway show ‘Hamilton’…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. Next month, President Donald will wish everyone a Happy Valentine’s Day including people who didn’t send him a Valentine’s Day card, and that will cause some people who didn’t send him a Valentine’s Day card to lose their minds.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  41. Too bad we can’t draw Venn diagrams here.

    Since Trump said “my many enemies AND those who have fought me and lost”, he’s clearly saying that some of those who fought him and lost are not his enemies, and some of his enemies are not those who fought him and lost.

    And all the Tail-gunner #NeverTrumps interpret that as a pro-Putin statement, as they do any statement that doesn’t condemn Trump. Learning nothing and forgetting nothing.

    It’s a new year, take advantage of it, would be my advice to everyone.

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d)

  42. Re: 37. Saul Steinberg’s New Yorker cover

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/View_of_the_World_from_9th_Avenue

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steinberg_New_Yorker_Cover.png

    9th Avenue, 10th Avenue, Hudson Rover, Jersey, Kansas City, Nebraska, Pacific Ocean, and furtheestway, the eastern coast of China, Japan and Russia.

    In the drawing, it’s a little bit further from 9th Avenue to the Hudson River than it is from the Hudson Rover to the Pacific Ocean.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Steinberg_New_Yorker_Cover.png

    Sammy Finkelman (022db5)

  43. #3 – you are taking my “Trump is a New Yorker” the wrong way – not the Steinberg map way. Every New Yorker I’ve worked with over the years has been a sarcastic/caustic SOB but if you hand it back to them – they accept you as an equal. They don’t take shit from others and hand it out with the best of them. Trump can hand it out with the better than most. I look forward to the next 4 years with relish! Just don’t lose your nerve Mr. President.

    oldgeezer (9a3891)

  44. Because if there is one thing we know about Donald Trump, Gabriel, it’s that he is superb when it comes to grammar, spelling and clarity of thought.

    DRJ (15874d)

  45. Mr. Trump always are do the good communicate. This is why he’s the splendid victorious (cf. stinkypig, jeb jeb, harvardtrash ted, collie smellmyfinger).

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  46. “Clarity of thought” and “Donald Trump” in the same sentence does seem incongruous, DRJ. 😉

    It’s just as likely he meant his many enemas.

    And it’s not their ears that Trumpkins have their fingers in, I think, Leviticus.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. I think it reasonably clear what he meant. Levitucus insists on being more byzantine than me. Which is a challenge.

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. As for New York City, history is instructive. It’s no accident that it was settled by the Dutch while the British colonists went to Virginia and the Carolinas. If the British had wanted to live on a dirty little island in the North Atlantic, they would have stayed in England.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. A storm took them to the massachussetts, the roanoke experiment didn’t turnout to well if I recall, Seth graham Smith, has an explanation of course

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. Mr Donald really tipped over some apple carts with that tweet. Now Barack is tweeting because he feels overshadowed.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  51. @DRJ:Because if there is one thing we know about Donald Trump, Gabriel, it’s that he is superb when it comes to grammar, spelling and clarity of thought.

    Be that as it may, you have no license to replace what he actually wrote with what you prefer to assume he meant.

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d)

  52. Nobody does that more than you, Gabriel.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. @Dana:No matter what your guess is, a good rule of thumb when it comes to cryptic Trump tweets, is to keep the whole character of Donald Trump in mind. Specifically, his inability to let go of any who challenge him or criticize him. Coupled with the inability to let things roll off his back, is his record keeping of those who have offended him.

    In other words, craft a narrative and interpret all events with respect to it. Which is what the media has been doing long before they used “fake but accurate” as a defense.

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d)

  54. @nk:Nobody does that more than you, Gabriel.

    I know you are but what am I. Cite or it didn’t happen, Tail-gunner.

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d)

  55. Well anyone can assume or infer anything.

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. @narcisco:Well anyone can assume or infer anything.

    Of course they CAN. But they don’t acquire the right to attribute their assumption to the source.

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d)

  57. Since this thread is most recent, I will ask here instead of the Russian tweet one. During today’s football games, there was a Dodge commercial set in Alaska where the narrator said “You can see Russia from Alaska, so Im sure you can hear us over there”, then they proceeded to play AC/DC’s For Those About to Rock, We Salute You as the cars caromed along the tundra. Two thoughts came to mind.

    1) Is this commercial written as a salute to Russia (if you take the song lyrics literally), and if yes is this sincere or a tongue-in cheek rip on Trump?

    2) Though AC/DC is an Australian band, I think their sound is emblematic of many Trump supporters and a nod to the shift of power within the R power from the South (country, increasingly “bro”) toward the NE (hard rock, metal). If they have an open date on the 20th, why the hell not invite them.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  58. I assume he meant something consistent with what he and his surrogates have said before. He has said he likes to get even and a surrogate said he has an enemies list that includes Republicans who opposed him.

    DRJ (15874d)

  59. In addition, he has a problem communicating in a clear, consistent manner. Don’t you agree?

    DRJ (15874d)

  60. I must have missed that, of course that line was a garble of an edit had conducted on a long passage.

    narciso (d1f714)


  61. In other words, craft a narrative and interpret all events with respect to it. Which is what the media has been doing long before they used “fake but accurate” as a defense.

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d) — 1/1/2017 @ 6:51 pm

    Are you suggesting I’m crafting a narrative, Gabriel? When a speaker does not consistently make his meaning known, whether intentionally or unintentionally, isn’t it reasonable, and even beneficial, for a listener attempting to understand what the speaker means to take into consideration what they know of the speaker and his record on issues? Further, doesn’t it benefit both speaker and listener for the listener to do this before making any decision on what it is they believe the speaker is hoping to convey?

    Dana (d17a61)

  62. If it was Hillary, the tickets would be $5,000 each.

    $500 wouldn’t be much more than cost for a swanky event in NY.

    Craig Mc (c8ba9d) — 12/31/2016 @ 6:09 pm

    AZ Bob (a402d8)

  63. Or $10,000 each.

    AZ Bob (a402d8)

  64. What I enjoy about the tweet is that he wished his enemies a Happy New Year, yet they still reacted by melting down. He didn’t tell them to go kill themselves — he actually wished them a Happy New Year.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  65. who has trouble communicating is saggy boobed mariah carey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. The only enemies a President of the United States should have are the enemies of the United States.

    Not a concept that an orange-skinned New York pansy can easily grasp, though.

    nk (dbc370)

  67. food stamp never even came close to grasping the enemies propriety thing

    not even close

    and that nasty diseased pig-woman?

    believe it or not she was even more confuzzled

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. and slurpy egg mcmuffin the balding mormy cia sacky sacky super-poofter?

    he likes broccoli a lot with his meatloaf but only with cheese sauce and if you forget the cheese sauce you on his list my brother (ask his pallid sister-wife)

    you don’t wanna be on the list

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  69. santa has a list
    he knows whose been nice and whose been a pooper
    evan mcmuffin is on the pooper list
    the only toys he’s going to get are the ones he orders online that arrive in the plain brown anonymous packaging

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  70. Remember when Republicans got angry at Hillary Clinton for having a list of enemies that equated Americans with members of a terrorist state, and took pride in it?

    COOPER: Which enemy that you made during your political career are you most proud of? …

    CLINTON: Well, in addition to the NRA, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the Iranians … probably the Republicans.

    Dana (d17a61)

  71. @Dana:Are you suggesting I’m crafting a narrative, Gabriel?

    Well, you built this huge paragraph out of a New Year’s greeting.

    @DRJ:I assume he meant something consistent with what he and his surrogates have said before.

    You never seem to do that when you accuse him of flip-flopping on something; instead you assume the opposite.

    @nk: The only enemies a President of the United States should have are the enemies of the United States.

    Well, Tailgunner, George W. Bush had enemies. I think his enemies were self-made and self-proclaimed, and I’m pretty sure Trump’s are too.

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d)

  72. @Dana:Remember when Republicans got angry at Hillary Clinton for having a list of enemies that equated Americans with members of a terrorist state, and took pride in it?

    Remember when you invented an enemies’ list from a happy New Year tweet, and made a whole list of people that Trump didn’t actually say out of it?

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d)

  73. I also remember, a couple of months ago, when Trump’s problem was that the Clintons weren’t his enemy, given all their social connections. And a few months before THAT, the problem was that Big Media was NOT his enemy but was giving him free media time valued in the billions.

    Gabriel Hanna (51348d)

  74. Keep plucking that chicken, Gabriel.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. no, he had enemies because of what he wanted to do in foreign and domestic policy, even though in many ways he left many programs in place.

    narciso (d1f714)

  76. In next week’s episode of Overreacting, find out what happens when a lifelong Boston Red Sox fan tweets that the New York Yankees are the enemy!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  77. So imagine if Tsai meets trump when she’s in the states next week.

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. #77 narciso, right now there’s outrage that Mr Donald has mentioned the word “enemies,” but you’re absolutely right, wait until next week when he meets with someone whom he’ll refer to as a friend (President Tsai.)
    LOL

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  79. Now take eve peyser, as someone who has an odd understanding of civility.

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. Hope everyone has a happy and healthy New Year.

    Be back to politics soon enough.

    NJRob (43d957)

  81. Sea side Montecito California

    I almost didn’t use that gag because Oprah doesn’t live in Chicago.
    Oprah has a mansion built on artificial landfill islands in New Jersey, Florida, Hawaii, and Antigua.

    Oh she also has a ski lodge in Telluride Colorado. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah_Winfrey#Homes

    Excepting the ski lodge, what all of these hyper expensive houses have in common is an utter and compelling disbelief in sea level rise any time soon.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  82. 11B40, good one on NYC. In Illinois, everything outside the city limits of Chicago was referred to as
    “downstate.”

    Patricia (5fc097)

  83. “In addition, he has a problem communicating in a clear, consistent manner. Don’t you agree?”

    DRJ

    I, too, struggle to decode Trumps messaging, but, considering how clearly he is understood by the average American voter – his intended audience – I’m beginning to think the deficiency is with me.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  84. It’s fascinating (but in the current climate not surprising I suppose) how different people can read and pull out such different intents and meanings from the words of this New Years greeting tweet. Me? I just breezed past it and thought he was wishing us all a Happy New Year while harmlessly sticking it to and mocking people like the John Podestas and Charlie and Martin Sheens and Tom Friedmans of the world.

    In all seriousness I do want to point out for audience consideration that any person who initially reads and interprets Donald Trump’s tweet primarily as a nasty mocking shout out and political warning to people whom they perceive he might consider to be his actual enemies would in fact get a completely different feeling about the New Years greeting tweet than any other person who initially reads and interprets the same tweet as a humorous “goodwill” gesture to everybody even specifically including those who irrationally hate him and consider him to be their enemy but about whom he can personally give two figs.

    But as Thor wisely observes–who really knows? And, see, that’s the problem I personally have with tweets. They are really just not very good communication devices for senders to be asserting policy or capturing deep thoughts, or for tweet receivers to be intrepidly sifting the tea leaves looking for serious insight.

    elissa (427553)

  85. Can we agree this is not confusing?:

    Donald Trump told Democrat Sen. Charles Schumer in a phone call he likes him more than his GOP brethren House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a source close to the transition team said.

    During a recent phone call, the president-elect “said to Schumer he likes Schumer more than Ryan and McConnell because they both wanted him to lose,” the source said. “They are Republicans and Trump knows they didn’t support him.”

    Maybe the problem is that too many people are bending over backwards to defend Trump.

    DRJ (15874d)

  86. It is no coincidence that Trump identifies Ryan and McConnell as people he doesn’t like who wanted him to lose within days after tweeting about his enemies who wanted him to lose. It is disappointing that he likes Schumer more than them.

    Time for all the comments explaining that just because Trump likes Schumer more doesn’t mean he won’t work with Republicans to do conservative things. We can still hope.

    DRJ (15874d)

  87. And, see, that’s the problem I personally have with tweets. They are really just not very good communication devices for senders to be asserting policy or capturing deep thoughts, or for tweet receivers to be intrepidly sifting the tea leaves looking for serious insight.

    They are Trumps preferred method of communication and essentially all we have to understand our President’s thoughts. So learn to love them.

    DRJ (15874d)

  88. He is not clearly understood, ThOR. People are imputing their desires to him and he is vague enough that it works, but sooner or later he has to actually govern and then we will know. He us just like Obama in that regard. I hope he will do some conservative things but he is a New Yorker so it’s not his instinct.

    DRJ (15874d)

  89. Hill is almost as bad as politic, in this regards.

    narciso (d1f714)

  90. “but sooner or later he has to actually govern and then we will know”…

    Yes, it’s so obvious, isn’t it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. Trump will use Twitter – the tool of teh Devil, it sucks – to run his end-around the MSM. Cut them right out of the deal.

    That’ll work.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  92. Selena Zito says we should all read/reread The Art of the Deal . Even though it came out 30 years ago she thinks it is a roadmap to better understand Trump–how he ran his campaign — how he views power and negotiation– and how he will govern.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2610573

    elissa (427553)

  93. He also consulted with Nancy Pelosi on his “shovel-ready, infrastructure stimulus”.

    Fact is, the GOP would rather have Pence as President. Trump’s impeachment insurance are the Democrats. He’s already on their side on social issues and it’s a sure bet that they’ll milk welfare state handouts from him too.

    nk (dbc370)

  94. It’s already obvious, Haiku, but some people are immune to obvious.

    DRJ (15874d)

  95. nk is right.

    DRJ (15874d)

  96. Time will tell, as a few of us have said all along, DRJ. The old rules may not apply. We’ll soon see whether the sky is falling.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. 93… I saw that, elissa. That may be some sound advice. A new paradigm is in play.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. Like a fart in an elevator.

    Leviticus (70ca80)

  99. Or an unshaven female lawyer walking down Main Street, New Mexico.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. I’ve decided to take a second look at Mr Donald’s “Happy New Year!” tweet, and I’ve determined there’s a message in there for his enemies … he’s wishing them a Happy New Year!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  101. Re-reading The Art of the Deal is like fighting your way through I’m OK, You’re OK again. Trying to digest out of date business pabulum is as useful as revisiting long dismissed psycho babble. May as well read yesterday’s stock results.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  102. Greetings, Patricia: ( @ 82 (5fc097) — 1/1/2017 @ 10:12 pm )

    Thank you for kind words. Omittedly, NYC, as you so succinctly put it, has something somewhat similar. It’s referred to as “upstate” and is commonly used by certified members of a lumpen-proletariat subgroup as in “He’s doing a nickel upstate at Danemora.”

    I wintered over in Waukegan one year but I only remember two things. The first was the ground went white in the first week of December and stayed that way until the last week in March. The other was the morning the TV said that the temperature was “minus 26″. How can people believe that kind of stuff ???

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  103. It’s almost as if we are to abandon any effort to accurately analyze what Trump means with his cryptic tweets, and just accept them at face-value, as long as it is to his favor. I think that approach is irresponsible, especially for those on the right who wisely felt no need to cut any slack to the current president. Should we not hold the incoming president to the same standard? And, given that he will be the first president to use this unique medium to not only regularly communicate to the masses his thoughts about domesticate and foreign leaders, but also, reportedly, from which he will announce policy decisions, I think it behooves us to be even more careful and critical in attempting to understand his meaning. It’s 140 characters coming from a volatile individual who is a notoriously poor communicator familiar with doublespeak. To not be circumspect shrewd could easily end up with us being misled, or, the new president being misunderstood. I neither want to assume the best nor the worst about Trump. I would just like to know the clear, impartial, straight-up meaning of what he says, and go from there.

    Further, if he chooses to be cryptic in his tweets, then he is asking to be misunderstood. If he chooses to use just 140 characters to convey anything of importance, he is asking to be misunderstood.

    Dana (d17a61)

  104. We can wait and see, of course, but I think it is normal for adults to discuss, speculate, analyze and even criticize a President-elect based on the things he says and does. Do you remember the Internet in December 2008 when Obama was President-elect? You know, when liberals were saying wait and see what Obama would do as President but we were expressing concern because of the things Obama had said and done.

    DRJ (15874d)

  105. Well it suggests tactics, not necessarily strategies.

    narciso (d1f714)

  106. There were many trolls back then.

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. If Trump (and his supporters) don’t want our new president to be misconstrued or misunderstood, then perhaps use another medium with which to express his views and to impart important information through. Of course, once in office, Sean Spicer will be his spokesman (if Trump chooses to use his voice), he can hold press conferences, and he can give one-to-one sit down interviews, etc. It’s really up to him. We will have to see what his administration opts to go with. However, the report that the new president will be using Twitter to announce policy came from Spicer.

    Dana (d17a61)

  108. I think it’s normal to wait for the person elected to office to be sworn in and actually begin to perform his or her duties before the analysis, criticism and/or praise of their job performance begins. YMMV.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. That’s just crazy talk coronello, one I have my reserrvstions over tillerson and Dev’s, but see shall see.

    narciso (d1f714)

  110. Yes, it is narciso. Totally whackobird.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  111. Any thoughts on all the minor quake swarms in northern Mexico and southern California?

    NJRob (43d957)

  112. This is almost as sad as the dude posting hour and a half long “Hillary Clinton HOPED We Wouldn’t FIND this!!!” videos to YouTube yesterday.

    We stuck the fork in her a month ago, before we carved the Thanksgiving turkey.

    Unnamed sources close to the transition team say Trump likes Chuck better than Mich and Paul.

    Doesn’t that set your hair on fire?

    I yearn for a simpler time when people in Washington looking for a friend had to buy a dog.

    As far as having a friend who will come to your rescue and have your back through a tight spot, you can’t go wrong with an elephant. Elephant comes to the rescue! [YouTube]

    MAybe someone should tweet that video to Mr. T

    papertiger (c8116c)

  113. Take michael person, w’ heck of a job speechwriter, he might need a blanket and a nightlight before jan 20th

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. With Obama, what had written and spoken about in the last twenty years was a guide, but the hagiography was preferred. nay demanded.

    narciso (d1f714)

  115. Dana, I have only one simple question for you when you get a minute. You have clearly outlined and then defended your own interpretation of the tweet which you call cryptic (the New Years tweet which is the subject of your post) and why it is you feel that way. You may be right. Now, upon reflection do you believe that reasonable, competent, intelligent people can read the very same Happy New Years tweet (which he ended with the word “love!”) and in good faith interpret that tweet in a different but also fully rational way?

    elissa (a33edd)

  116. I don’t participate in social media – my comments here are as close as I come to it.

    When my son was in his early teens, he signed up for Facebook (with my wife’s help). I thought I’d sign up too, as many protective parents are wont to do. My son counseled against it. He told he didn’t have enough spare time to constantly decode the posts for my benefit and he promised not to post anything I would disapprove of (at least, after he had explained the true meaning of his comments to me).

    So that was that.

    I do, however, understand trolling – and, in particular, the value of trolling. Trump seems to clearly understand and productively employ Twitter trolling, so now I’m learning. If Trump can use Twitter trolling to rejigger the balance of power in this country and, especially, if he can use it to dis-empower the imbeciles in the MSM, what’s not to like?

    In any event, it’s not what he says that matters. It is what he does. At the moment, I am more than satisfied with what he is doing.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  117. Earthquakers = A quaint religious folk who think seismic activity is the main reason to avoid California.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  118. Among print columnists, salena zito, seemed to have had more of a clue than most.

    narciso (d1f714)

  119. “If you thought 2016 was packed full of liberal foolishness, just wait until you get a load of 2017. As 2016 ends, progressives enter the new year terrified that Donald Trump will continue to run circles around them, and their epic meltdown is only going to get more epically meltdownier. They’ve been shrill, stupid, and annoying for the last two months, but brace yourself for the next 12. Fear is going to make them go nuts – not the fear that Trump will be a failure, but the gut-wrenching, mind-numbing fear that Donald Trump will be a success.

    And it looks like Trump may very well be one – something I previously and publicly doubted.”

    http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/01/02/for-democrats-2017-will-be-the-year-of-living-stupidly-n2265749

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. 112… just Mother Earth doing her part to loosen and prepare the dig for construction of Teh Wall.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. Col. Haiku @ 109,

    While I agree that it is reasonable (and expected) to actually wait until one is governing to do any critiquing, I am suggesting that given Trump’s unique choice to communicate with Americans is something we haven’t faced before. If he’s putting these tweets out there, I assume he is hoping for a response, reaction, or even support. And actually, according to his spokesman, he will continue to use Twitter specifically because he “gets results”. I’m admittedly unsure of what “results” he is referring to, but if there are anticipated results, then he is obviously tweeting with an expectation from voters. I would like to know what that entails. If he is expecting some kind of “results,” then all the more reason for us to be critical, whether negatively or positively. What do you think he means by “gets results”?

    Once in the White House, President Donald Trump won’t cut back his tweeting, said incoming Press Secretary Sean Spicer.

    ‘You know what, the fact of the matter is that, when he tweets, he gets results,’ Spicer told ABC’s Jonathan Karl today on This Week.

    Karl was pointing out how Trump might expand the country’s nuclear capabilities, switching directions from his predecessors, an announcement the president-elect dashed off in a tweet the Thursday before Christmas.

    Pointing to the New York Times story on the matter, the ABC newsman said what struck him was the article’s subhead, which pointed out that the policy shift came from a ‘statement on Twitter.’
    ‘Is that what we’re going to see?’ Karl asked Spicer, who had previously said Trump’s use of Twitter will be a ‘really exciting part’ of the Republican’s presidency.

    ‘Sure. Why not?’ the incoming press secretary answered.

    ‘You know, with all due respect, I think it freaks the mainstream media out that he has this following of over 45-plus million people that follow him on social media, that he can have a direct conversation,’ Spicer said.

    Dana (d17a61)

  122. I think he’s trolling the media, Dana. And he is enjoying himself.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  123. This will be an ongoing end-around on the media.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  124. Now, upon reflection do you believe that reasonable, competent, intelligent people can read the very same Happy New Years tweet (which he ended with the word “love!”) and in good faith interpret that tweet in a different but also fully rational way?

    elissa (a33edd) — 1/2/2017 @ 10:23 am

    Absolutely! But that’s not the issue: To me, the issue is one of being willing to look at the tweets (which I do see as cryptic, and unclear) and attempt to make sense of them – for better or worse. Again, it seems to me that we are now mandated to look at the new president’s tweets with a positive spin. Given that I haven’t assumed that about any politician, I see no reason to start now. And, if a politician has given me reason to be even more critical or wary, then I’d be a fool to not go with that.

    Trump is not yet in office. Yet he continues to throw out tweets and those certainly are indicative of his POVs. I believe if he chooses to be less than clear about what he means, then he risks his audience misinterpreting him. Why not be as clear and concise as possible and alleviate any risk?

    But, as I’ve stated oodles of time, I am more than happy to cheer him on, hope for the best, and shout YAY! when he does something that benefits our country. But in order to do even that, a critical eye must be in place, and a willingness to think for myself.

    Dana (d17a61)

  125. A more direct way of communicating with American citizens, in particular. Cut out the middlemen. Leave the MSM angry, flummoxed, lashing out.

    And even more ineffectual.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  126. Its clear enough, there will be policy papers once he gets in,

    narciso (d1f714)

  127. And they deserve everything that’s coming their way, and more:

    “Why is Jonathan Karl interviewing Brazile in the first place? And if he’s going to do that, how does one sit there and politely rehash the last election with her without poking the obvious elephant in the room? It has been 62 days since CNN severed their ties with Donna Brazile over the fact (no longer an “allegation”) that she cheated during one of the Democratic presidential primary debates and attempted to cheat during a second one in Flint, Michigan. And yet ABC News is inviting her to sit down for a casual New Years Day chat like any other political analyst.

    There is not one reputable media outlet in the country who is even attempting to suggest that Brazile didn’t cheat or attempt to cheat on Hillary Clinton’s behalf during the primary. Even Brazile herself refuses to say that she’s innocent, instead preferring to insist that she will not be persecuted as if she were Jesus Christ or something.

    I keep hearing media outlets complaining when any of their competitors provide coverage of Donald Trump in terms of his policy proposals, cabinet nominations and all the rest. The major charge they level is that these journalists are somehow “normalizing” Trump’s presidency. That’s a rather insulting phrase, since Trump actually won and must now be evaluated by the job he does. But isn’t it somehow worse to keep introducing Donna Brazile as the interim chair of the DNC and allow her to continue commenting on politics? Isn’t this an act of “normalizing” someone as the head of one of our two major parties while she’s known to have attempted to do more to directly tamper with an election than the Russians did? And where is the media outrage at the DNC for not removing this person who is known to be corrupt? All I’m hearing is crickets on that score.

    We’re witnessing the “normalization” of a known cheat… a dishonest actor who was caught red handed attempting to corrupt a presidential election. This person has remained as the interim head of the Democratic Party for more than two months since being definitively exposed. And ABC News continues to propagate the fantasy that all is well and there’s nothing particularly notable about the situation.”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/02/abc-news-continues-to-normalize-donna-brazile-as-dnc-chair/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  128. Earthquakers = A quaint religious folk who think seismic activity is the main reason to avoid California.

    papertiger (c8116c) — 1/2/2017 @ 10:27 am

    Heh,

    I’d be one except that I avoid California for a more direct reason. The leftists there are even more nauseating than the ones in NJ.

    112… just Mother Earth doing her part to loosen and prepare the dig for construction of Teh Wall.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/2/2017 @ 10:34 am

    Amen.

    NJRob (43d957)

  129. Dana, oh, I thought the New Years tweet that included the term enemies was the issue that set off the post. My mistake.

    elissa (a33edd)

  130. Effective trolling involves ambiguous word play – the master troll I learned from was an English teacher. Trolling comments are at their best when they are opaque. Opaqueness allows others to read into trolling comments what they want to see and react accordingly. A good troll will make as many friends as he makes enemies – perhaps more. The best trolls change minds – something that those who argue in earnest seldom do.

    I’m with Haiku: trolling is what he’s doing; he’s doing it well; he enjoys it.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  131. 109. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/2/2017 @ 9:50 am

    I think it’s normal to wait for the person elected to office to be sworn in and actually begin to perform his or her duties before the analysis, criticism and/or praise of their job performance begins. YMMV.

    Well, he’s already named Cabinet members (some Democrats assert we should go back to the pre-Eisenhower era and not hold any kind of confirmation hearings until they are actually nominated – of course in those days the senate didn’t investigate so much)

    And he’s given hints of the future – about Taiwan, for instance)

    And he’s appointed a prosecutor to investigate Hillary (Preet Bharara)

    And he (well he thought he) stopped a United Nations Security Council Resolution that was targeted at Israel.

    And he may nominate a Supreme Court Justice on January 20.

    No decisions yet on Obamacare – where the Republicans are heading toward repeal with a delay while they try to figure out what to do, since in all the years since Obamacare passed there’s never been a consensus among the Republicans as too what to replace it with – or on immigration (although one possibility is a bill extending DACA for 2 years while they try to figure out what to do)

    Sammy Finkelman (ec94de)

  132. My eight-year old neighbor stopped by to return something his father borrowed from me last week. He was excited to show me his decoder ring that came in a box of Lucky Charms cereal.
    I asked him to use the ring to decode Mr Donald’s cryptic tweet, and he said that the tweet reveals the hidden location of a lost treasure which dates back to the 1800s!

    You’ll have to excuse me now while I go to my local R.E.I. store so I can purchase some pick axes, a couple of compasses, a shovel, and some new camping gear.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  133. elissa,

    Of course “enemies” was at the heart of his tweet, and largely, my post. But the discussion moved to how we interpret his tweet, and future tweets. Some seem to believe that we assume the best, others seem to “know” that he is trolling the media, and yet others think, let’s look at the whole of the individual and try to interpret them based on what we know.

    You, and others, may arrive at a different conclusion than me, or even believe that my standard of measurement (or tools used to measure) are foolish or unsubstantiated or whatever, and that’s fine.

    Dana (d17a61)

  134. I think Mr Donald was right that “… they just don’t know what do do!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  135.  Now, upon reflection do you believe that reasonable, competent, intelligent people can read the very same Happy New Years tweet (which he ended with the word “love!”) and in good faith interpret that tweet in a different but also fully rational way?

    There are as many opinions as their are people, but that doesn’t make them rational or irrational. What makes it rational is the ability to analyze, discuss and defend one’s opinion.

    People had vastly different responses to the words of Jeremiah Wright, a pastor who frequently spoke in an inflammatory way but also spoke about Christian hope and love. Were all those opinions rational?

    DRJ (15874d)

  136. There, not their. Sorry.

    DRJ (15874d)

  137. @123. Precisely.

    He knows how to chum The Beast.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. What’s striking to me is the seeming reluctance of individuals to allow others the room to analyze, discuss and defend their opinions without ridicule or what sounds like sneering.

    How does anyone really know what his tweet means? What is your evidence to back it up? Confirm that he is trolling the media. How does your view carry any more water than mine?

    These are the things that puzzle me.

    Dana (d17a61)

  139. tweets are ephemeral like farts and this one is already stale and dissipating

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  140. their executives are ephemeral like farts too

    Twitter Inc.’s controversial China chief has departed after only eight months, the latest executive to leave amid a global reorganization.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  141. I realized it or figured it out:

    “my many enemies” = Many people in the media and politics or the fringes of politics who don’t want to normalize him and are committed to have him get a bad reputation.

    “ those who have fought me and lost” = Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb0eea)

  142. “those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don’t know what to do”

    is an unmistakeable reference to Hillary Clinton.

    That fact that it is plural may mean he’s including Huma Abedin and some othere top aides or possibly Bill Clinton.

    This may be easier to figure out than some of the comments of narciso.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb0eea)

  143. Also the top men faction of the GOP.

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. Dana 139,

    I was being sarcastic above when I made a comment about Trump’s grammar, spelling, and clarity. That could be conceived as sneering and I could have made the same point without the sarcasm. I apologize.

    DRJ (15874d)

  145. I wasn’t referring to you, DRJ. No need to apologize.

    Dana (d17a61)

  146. #143

    Perhaps Jeb! and the other also rans too?

    How ’bout Megyn? She wound up looking like a horse’s hind quarter, didn’t she?

    And let’s not forget the hysterical conservative punditocracy.

    When you get to thinking about it, those who lost so badly they don’t know what to do are legion.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  147. How about Dan rather raising journal…Shirley he can’t be cereal

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. How would someone go about proving they had correctly parsed the meaning or intent of incoherent gibberish generated by a notorious liar? Trump’s gibberish may seem less coherent than Obama’s but time spent in attempting exegesis of the miscommunications of either is probably better spent on searching for unicorns.

    Some of the actions of charlatans may be worth examining but their words are valueless ephemera.

    rballard (bc0399)

  149. Mr Donald’s going to have fun tweeting on april fool’s day
    i’m marking april 1 on my calendar

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  150. With Trump every day is April Fool’s Day, happyfeet.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  151. I’m sorry Cruz Supporter, that comment sounded so “happyfeet” I didn’t even look before I hit “send”.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  152. Trump Derangement Syndrome strikes deep
    Into some lives it has creeped

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  153. It is not the better part of valor
    But more suitable for a mallard

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  154. Take Jonah Goldberg in the new yorker, maybe he was misquoted.

    narciso (d1f714)

  155. #153 rev hoagie

    that’s okay
    and you just wait until mr donald tweets everyone a happy st patrick’s day
    he’ll be accused of hating italians, germans, and people from ivory coast

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  156. In an exclusive interview with FOX News Channel’s Sean Hannity the founder of WikiLeaks Julian Assange said Russia was not the source for the DNC and John Podesta hacks.

    HANNITY: Can you say to the American people, unequivocally, that you did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta’s emails, can you tell the American people 1,000 percent that you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?

    JULIAN ASSANGE: Yes. We can say, we have said, repeatedly that over the last two months that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party. Hannity’s full interview with Assange will air Tuesday night at 10pm ET.

    elissa (a33edd)

  157. Now what you have to understand about assuange, re the corera book, is that he was a hacker called mendax in his native Australia, most of his big finds excepting Julius baer and Stratfor have come from inside jobs, like the Panama papers.

    narciso (d1f714)

  158. Mr Donald: “It’s a beautiful day, today. I only hope we have more days like this in the future!”

    NeverTrumper#1 “What did he mean by that, Charlie?”

    NeverTrumper#2 “I don’t know, Jim. I think he hates asparagus. Or maybe he’s saying that your shoes look funny.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  159. DCSCA … I think he was partly right. Trumpkins don’t want to be governed, they want to be entertained.

    nk (dbc370)

  160. @161, Hmmm. Where have I herd that before? 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  161. Cm is still chasing the ghost elissa, they ate going with cyrilliv keyboards which encompasses balkan as well as ukrianian templates

    narciso (d1f714)


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