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12/16/2016

Jill Stein’s Recount Uncovers Election Problems in Michigan

Filed under: General — JVW @ 12:36 pm



[guest post by JVW]

I know this news is a few days old but I don’t think it has been discussed here, and it is too much fun to ignore. Green Party Presidential candidate (Dr.*) Jill Stein’s demanded recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania have run their course with varying results. In Wisconsin, the recount added an additional 131 net votes to the President-elect, bringing his margin of victory up to 22,748 votes and adding an additional .002% to his share of the state’s vote. In Pennsylvania, a federal judge denied Dr. Stein’s request for a recount, citing no shortage of reasons why it was a fool’s errand.

But Dr. Stein and her supporters appear to have hit the motherlode in Michigan, where their valiant efforts have at last uncovered election irregularities. On Tuesday, The Detroit News reported that discrepancies between reported totals versus actual numbers of ballots on hand is spurring an audit by the secretary of state’s office. Unhappily for progressives, the problems were uncovered in Detroit and Wayne County. Hillary Clinton captured 66.3% of the vote in Wayne County, and probably a significantly larger share in the city. From the article:

State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.

[. . .]

The recount problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 of the city’s 662 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. State law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.

[. . .]

Republican state senators last week called for an investigation in Wayne County, including one precinct where a Detroit ballot box contained only 50 of the 306 ballots listed in a poll book, according to an observer for Trump.

City officials have told state officials that ballots in that precinct were never taken out of a locked bin below the voting machine tabulator on Election Day, said Secretary of State spokesman Fred Woodhams.

And that’s not all. Yesterday, the Detroit Free Press reported further on the failure of Detroit precincts to keep accurate paperwork as required by law:

Detroit’s election paperwork was in such disarray that the Wayne County Board of Canvassers almost missed its two-week deadline to certify the presidential election.

Ninty-five poll books, lists of people who cast ballots, were delivered late to the board. Five of those precincts never did turn in a poll book, according to a memo from the Wayne County Clerk’s Office to state election officials.

[. . .]

Other problems found in Detroit’s handing of the election included 13 precincts that turned in poll books with missing voters. Staffers working for the board of canvassers were forced to flip through hundreds of individual voter applications to compile the count of people who voted in those precincts.

Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey defended her office’s handling of the 2016 presidential election, telling the Free Press on Wednesday that the city has struggled to attract poll workers in recent years.

In case the reader forgets how all of this audit came about, the Free Press helpfully reminds us:

Detroit’s problems were exposed during a statewide recount effort by Green Party candidate Jill Stein, which was later halted by a court before it could be completed.

I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong, and I was wrong about the righteousness of Dr. Stein’s demands for a recount. She has done all of us a favor by exposing the shady practices of the typical urban Democrat machine, and for that she deserves a measure of thanks from us.

– JVW

* Her supporters are for some reason very big on having the Harvard-trained internest identified as “Dr.” Jill Stein, even though she retired from her practice a decade ago. That’s a courtesy they don’t seem willing to apply to, for example, Ben Carson or Tom Coburn.

93 Responses to “Jill Stein’s Recount Uncovers Election Problems in Michigan”

  1. Cue the Los Angeles Times with an editorial insisting that urban voting fraud is a figment of right-wing imaginations.

    JVW (6e49ce)

  2. All part of Republican schemes to disenfranchise minority citizens, simply because their existence is undocumented.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  3. We all know you like links, where’s teh link?

    Colonel Leviticus Peller (73c0b6)

  4. Hanlon’s Razor: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”

    Or incompetence.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  5. true fact (google it) is that icebergs have a huge majority of their icy goodness actually hiding under the water where you can’t even see it and what you do see is just a really small part of the total thing that happens to be sticking out of the water

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. Funny, Col. He never responded after you posted the double linkies about this yesterday. Apparently he’s averse to using teh google, too, which might have been a good place for him to start instead of being snippy.

    elissa (da4c50)

  7. Dr. Stein’s recount-a-thon managed to p*ss of both the left AND the right. Good job, Jill!

    elissa (da4c50)

  8. can we talk about something that’s been bothering me is this a good time

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  9. Michigan Democrats obviously didn’t follow the model for Democrats set by their predecessors in places like Chicago and the Texas Rio Grande Valley, where they keep immaculate records of their spotless elections, documenting, for example, that dead people are capable of voting in alphabetical order and of signing their respective names all in the same handwriting and ink.

    In any discussion of allegations of voter fraud with a leftie, I begin by asking, “Have you read the volumen in Robert Caro’s biography of LJB called ‘Path to Power’? Study up on his personal electoral history running for the U.S. Senate in Texas, including how he got the nickname “Landslide Lyndon,” and then take a close look at the 1960 presidential election (as documented many places, including Caro’s subsequent volume about LJB or Dalek’s biography of JFK). Then get back to me when we both have that common set of historical background facts to work from.”

    They mumble excuses and wander away.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  10. Heh, elissa… he marches to the drum of a different Robot Overlord. A shout out for old time’s sake to Leviticus!

    Colonel Haiku (73c0b6)

  11. And he’s too young to remember Clara Peller.

    Colonel Haiku (73c0b6)

  12. So… Why was Trump so terribly afraid of a recount? Puzzling….

    Tillman (a95660)

  13. Greetings:

    Certainly a fun little item but my favorite election day result is that Mrs. Clinton received 92% of the vote in Washington D.C. What that percentage brought to my mind was, “Damn, that’s Saddam Hussein’s percentage. My current understanding is that Detroit city rendered a similar percentage of electoral love. I can’t help but wonder if there are any commonalities between those municipalities.

    As for Dr. Stein, I’m awaiting the updates on her little vandalism adventure during her soirée at the Dakota Access Pipeline fracas. It seems that the incident has fallen under the media’s “I want to make a difference, but not that difference.” corollary.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  14. Fat, drunk, stupid, leftwing and puzzled is no way to go through life, Tillman.

    Colonel Haiku (73c0b6)

  15. Beldar @9, those were the good old days. Pretty much everybody could read and write. They could even write with a pen or pencil. Good help in a place like Detroit is hard to come by. But they did agree to leave their baseball bats at home this time around.

    BobStewartatHome (c24491)

  16. here

    this is bothering me thank you for asking

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. @happyfeet: None of that should bother you. They’re all independently and totally not coordinating on interpreting an Amazon drama as being about Trump.

    It’s to be expected. America chose a dark vision over a muscular foreign policy.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  18. I knew something was wrong when Hillary only got 105% of the Detroit vote. Democrats usually get at least 110% of the vote.

    Richard (92a554)

  19. i just worry

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  20. Yes the fact that Alexa davalo, is in it, isn’t enough of a reason to sign up again.

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. The retro noir look, is intriguing look.

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. i’m gonna binge before my prime expires

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. An earlier Phillip k Dick work, radio free albemuth, poorly adapted had a Nixon masque as a soviet front man.

    narciso (d1f714)

  24. When Democrats are caught cheating, it’s always proof that Republicans are cheating! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  25. why does george soros always look like the bloated toad of syphilisville?

    i guess we have this fantasy that if we had that kind of money we for sure would *not* look like the bloated toad of syphilisville

    ugh

    reality bites

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. America chose a dark vision over a muscular foreign policy.

    The WaPo editors are messing with the narrative:

    As recently as October, Mr. Obama set aside options drawn up by his advisers to save Aleppo. Instead, he supported the delusional diplomacy of Secretary of State John F. Kerry, whose endless appeals to Moscow for cease-fires yielded — as Mr. Putin no doubt intended — nothing more than a humiliating display of American weakness.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/the-bloodbath-in-aleppo-will-haunt-humanity/2016/12/14/ffe0d646-c22a-11e6-9a51-cd56ea1c2bb7_story.html

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  27. Precinct workers in Detroit don’t know how to handle ballots and voter lists.

    Chanel is making its gift box ribbons with Velcro because perfume counter clerks don’t know how to tie a bow.

    There’s no hope for this country.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. There is no hope,
    This I know,
    Michelle Obama,
    Told me so.

    “We’re done for!” – C3PO [Anthony Daniels] ‘Star Wars’ 1977

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Mr happyfeet, i’ve always believed that if money can’t buy a person happiness, it should at least buy them some spa treatments, weekly facials, and the occasional detox

    this mr soros loser person needs a nutritionist and a psychiatrist and a better haircut

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  30. yes yes yes same page 100%

    sweat it out then moisturize

    how hard is that you nasty hungarian freak

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  31. One suspects like david lo pan, this is his more palatable form.

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. They say eyes are the window into the soul. Don’t you think his eyes are saying something other than Merry Christmas?

    elissa (da4c50)

  33. Re: #32: Voting “present” didn’t prepare him for the last 7.9 years. And “growing into the job” didn’t work either.

    BobStewartatHome (c24491)

  34. elissa, he looks like he has seen the future, and nobody remembers him. Which will actually be an improvement over the fate that awaits him.

    BobStewartatHome (c24491)

  35. He’s every Greek tragedy replayed. Hubris rampant.

    BobStewartatHome (c24491)

  36. You can’t make this stuff up.

    In the future when tourists visit the Barack H. Obama Presidential library in Jackson Park to contemplate his work and legacy they will be able to enjoy a grand new golf course.

    A pair of century-old South Side golf courses would be combined into a single championship-caliber course designed by a company owned by Tiger Woods under a $30 million project that gained momentum when President Barack Obama chose Jackson Park for his presidential library.
    The not-for-profit alliance will be led by Mark Rolfing, an analyst for NBC Golf Channel and a golf-course designer himself. The group hopes to convince private donors — who may be some of the same individuals and businesses tapped to fund the Obama library — to pony up most of the $30 million needed to transform the Jackson Park and South Shore golf courses into a single, 18-hole course by late 2020.

    FORE!!

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/obama-library-in-jackson-park-spurs-big-golf-course-redesign/

    elissa (da4c50)

  37. 37. Full discosure – I am working with a consultant on the BHOPL with regard to the traffic effects of vacating one of the interior streets in Jackson Park unto other nearby arterials. They gave the B.s. reason of needing said street vacated for a wide bike path.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  38. When that punk kettle, purple, whatever hacked the huntresses emails and post them on gawkier, oddly no one went after that den of scum and villany

    narciso (d1f714)

  39. “They gave the B.s. reason of needing said street vacated for a wide bike path.”

    Was there any mention made of Mom Jeans and a Spaz bike helmet?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. So the latest kergluffle, that trump had to know about the hacking comes via Ben rhodes and that clueless fellow about the electoral college, ambassador mcfaul (the same one that though medvedev actually ran things in Russia.

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. So searchlights aide De camp, gentleson is the new face of the sorosphete, re daily caller.

    narciso (d1f714)

  42. The electors will not get their willy wonka treat from the intelligence community.

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. Btw guess who Obama just nominated to the civil rights commission, mumia’s lawyer adegobile.

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. Comedy didn’t actually put out a statement re the assessment, emptywheel pointed it out.

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. Hah! The iron is as rich as a fine Christmas egg nog.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  46. One must not open the ark. Patricia

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. Certainly a fun little item but my favorite election day result is that Mrs. Clinton received 92% of the vote in Washington D.C. What that percentage brought to my mind was, “Damn, that’s Saddam Hussein’s percentage.

    She had more trouble than usual in San Francisco Country, where she only got 85%.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  48. He’s every Greek tragedy replayed. Hubris rampant.

    He’s hated overseas, too. Even, I suspect, in Kenya.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  49. A certain irony among the calexit? Supporters vs the mere notionof Texas independence.

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. obama’s the president equivalent of walking boy-girl vagina pajama boy

    and the food stampers and pig sniffers they’re stuck with this gaywad for decades

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  51. it’s how it is with every failmerican failpresident recently

    failmericans hated bush so they elected obama

    then they hated obama so they elected trump

    next they’ll get to hate trump and elect another loser they will eventually hate

    because failmericans are whiny “gimmee gimmee gimmee” babies who can never be satisfied

    nk (dbc370)

  52. A certain irony among the calexit? Supporters vs the mere notionof Texas independence.

    In point of fact, every Democrat-leaning person I’ve talked to wishes Texas would secede.

    And I wish California would attempt to secede while Trump is President. So we can put it under Reconstruction and take away its representation in Congress and in the Electoral College.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. Well we have to find the right lizard, although how they though papadreo is a mystery

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. sleazy murderous george w. bush and fascist petulant soros-slut obama both proved to be spendy sleazy dumb-ass sorority girls

    the kind you don’t take home to mama

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  55. In other cunning cunning news, the marketing plan and well as the idea behind Mrs Sloan

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. Mr. Trump’s more than demonstrated – and very eloquently – that he’s got the number of both of these losers

    that’s very very hopeful just in and of itself

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. Which is why Rona’s pick for rnc made sense.

    narciso (d1f714)

  58. rona’s so good so so damn good but she needs to repudiate her pervy uncle to reach her highest and best potential i think

    got yourself a wee bit of an albatross there picklebritches

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. I’m sure some of your relatives are embarrassed by you, pikachu.

    narciso (d1f714)

  60. that was so mean

    how can you even say that

    and there won’t be snow in africa this christmastime

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  61. The year 1957 was the last time a Republican was elected mayor of Detroit.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  62. I meant “The irony is as rich as a fine Christmas egg nog”, darn it.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  63. i got you

    it was very carby

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. You sure can cut people into little pieces but I see no proactive solutions coming from you. So for starters kindergarteners, is global warming real, and did you know easily 100 nuke power plants are licensed beyond their safe.operating lifespan by republican idiots like you. Earth to proto-nazi lala land, come in; are you receiving?

    Lyle Courtsal (b4d323)

  65. See article: Neo-conservatism as a Betrayal of Jewish Values. Remember that bit about Jesus Christ saying you should house, feed, and care for the poor and homeless, not ill and kill ’em off with budget cuts and worse. . . See how those hater pastors were celebrating the deaths of those people at that bar in orlando. You’re going to hell if thats you. . . Bye forever and I wont miss you haters.

    Lyle Courtsal (b4d323)

  66. global warming lol

    you funny

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. I don’t recall the passages in the Bible where Christ instructs us to force others to pay for taking care of the poor. Could we maybe get the chapter and verse?

    mark (ca18be)

  68. It’s in the one that says that God put Adam and Steve in the Garden of Eden, mark, until Steve drank the forbidden Starbucks apple spice latte and God took away their iTunes accounts.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. Does Lyle have a point, or did he just come for Abuse?

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. Lyle Courtsal, the guy who shot up the gay nightclub in Orlando wasn’t a Republican. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  71. He’s one of Wacko Jill’s internet police, trolling sites that criticize her. Greeeeens!!! And I don’t mean collard.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. 72, cross post that in the nativity thread — if everyone just starts adding passages, we’ll have the hipster version of the bible done by January 19 easily.

    75. Collard greens are the cause of the silent but deadly fart.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  73. And god like made Lyle and he like totally sucked. The

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. Lyle Courtsal, you may have chosen the most unfortunate night of the year to start waxing about global “warming.” (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  75. Ok, just between us, Dr. Stein was a plant. We saw how Ralph Nader turned out, but it reached graham Chapman levels of absurdity. Now bluntman, you have us stumped.

    narciso (d1f714)

  76. Stein was a plant? Seems clear when you look back on it. Genius!

    That Mr. Trump is way more clever that we thought. Bedazzling all the nevertrumpers, while making sure that the Democrat ballot-box stuffing was caught in the spotlight. And none of it — NONE OF IT — directly traceable back to him.

    Way more clever than even happyfeet thought.

    And then getting the DNC to reveal that they got hacked because their chief IT security honcho was an affirmative action hire.

    Oh — and Hillary will never be President.
    LOL! That never gets old.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  77. I thought that the other half of the story was more interesting: 37% of the Detroit precincts had MORE ballots than voters.

    For the unaware, this is a classic election stealing technique known as ballot-stuffing.

    Note that this wasn’t discovered until after the totals were submitted, so all those “extra” votes were included in the totals. From the election results, the Democratic Party machine got overconfident and way underestimated the number of additional “votes” necessary.

    bud (861f22)

  78. discrepancies between reported totals versus actual numbers of ballots on hand

    This is the reason why Democrats don’t want poll watchers in overwhelmingly black (and Democratic – at least for now) precincts.

    If someone wants to stop this, it probably would help to have some inside information.

    But notice – it is not that people signed in under false names. Or wewre allowed tovote without signing in. The ballots weren’t there at all.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  79. I’m kidding of course, but its the way it worked out, if she was a lawyer she would know not go ask a question one already doesn’t have the answer to.

    narciso (d1f714)

  80. 13. 50. Certainly a fun little item but my favorite election day result is that Mrs. Clinton received 92% of the vote in Washington D.C. What that percentage brought to my mind was, “Damn, that’s Saddam Hussein’s percentage. Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/17/2016 @ 9:46 am

    She had more trouble than usual in San Francisco Country, where she only got 85%.

    That’s about what Al Gore got in Washington D.C, in 2000. 85.16%. In 2004, without Ralph Nader running. Kerry got 89.2%. Bush got 8.95% in the year 2000 and 9.3% in 2004.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  81. It’s not the people who vote that count, it’s the people that count the votes. — Attributed to Joseph Stalin and a nice play on words too.

    nk (dbc370)

  82. Did anyone see ol’ Lyle’s link to (presumably) his website? It’s called Dope War Drug Peace. I think that tells us a lot about his worldview, without having to read any of his nutjob posts. Merry Christmas, Lyle.

    JVW (6e49ce)

  83. #85 nk, and James Baker, at the end of the Florida recount said, “The votes have been counted, now it’s time for the votes to count!”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  84. It may be a nice play on words only in English. And also, usually the quote is not reported exactly that way. In Russian, it goes: Я считаю, что совершенно неважно, кто и как будет в партии голосовать; но вот что чрезвычайно важно, это – кто и как будет считать голоса Maybe somebody can translate that. Google translate gives: I believe that it does not matter who and how to vote in the party; but what is extremely important is – who and how to count votes.

    Here is Snopes about it:

    http://www.snopes.com/stalin-vote-count-quote/

    In 2006, Wikiquote dug up such a source: The Memoirs of Stalin’s Former Secretary by Boris Bazhanov, published in 2002. [another source says 1992] Translated from the Russian, the version which, according to Bazhanov, was uttered in 1923 by Stalin in reference to a vote in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was this:

    “I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.”

    The quote is a rough match for the words commonly attributed to Stalin, with the notable difference that the context is quite specific. Stalin wasn’t speaking of elections and voting in general. He was speaking of a particular vote by a particular body.

    The link given there goes to a page where it says the book was first published in Paris in 1980. B. Bazhanov was Stalin`s personal secretary from 1923 to 1928 and a secretary of Political Bureau. Thanks to his good education and intellectual qualities he became the fourth figure after Kamenev, Zinov`ev, Stalin. He escaped from Russia in 1928 and published his first memoir in Paris in 1929-1930 (this was a second book, wich went unpublished for 50 years?? It seems like he revised it and his 1930 book concealed facts. He was stll trying to prptect people.)

    Wikipedia says he lived from 1900 to 1982 and was a secretary of the Soviet Union’s Politburo, and personal secretary to Joseph Stalin from August 1923 through 1925. Stalin attempted to kill him but failed, and he wrote numerous books (manuscripts?) in Russian.

    Oh. he’s mentioned in The Storm Petrels: The Flight of the First Soviet Defectors, I have, or should have, this book.

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  85. Kevin @26.

    The Washington Post actually called American forign policy delusional? The American Led Emergency Partial Peace Operation, or ALEPPO as maybe Gary Johnson might call it, was doomed from the start.

    It’s still delusional.

    Obama still thinks there are some diplomatic options.

    But Russia will not agree to stop killing people in Aleppo, or in Syria. A safe zone can only be established in a place where the some power is both willing and able to shoot down Russian airplanes. If theer is such a place in Syria, it can established in Syria. If the only such places are outside of Syria then it can only be established outside of Syria, like in Turkey. Turkey would be safe only because the United States is willing to shoot down Russian planes that would fly over it and bomb it. Obama doesn’t seem to get that.

    I have a question for the president: Is there no place in the world that Syrians can be evacuated to where you are ALSO willing to shoot down Russian planes, or where Russia will agree not to fly over and you can count on that, or is that a null set?

    Sammy Finkelman (db7fea)

  86. As a tangential bit of global warming news, Hawaii, the aloha state, has won the coveted Healthiest State in the Nation award.

    FOURTH YEAR IN A ROW!!!!

    papertiger (c8116c)

  87. So they shut down the leper colony?

    nk (dbc370)

  88. Leprosy is curable. Welcome to the twenty-first century.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  89. I lived and worked in the Detroit area for 20 years and moved out as soon as I retired in 2001. Two incidents in the 2000 election convinced me thee was substantial voter fraud going on in Detroit. One was a conversation I had with a young African American lady at the coffee bsr at work. She said she couldn’t get to the polls until 15 minutes before they closed. When she checked in, she was told she had already voted. She disputed it. Then she was told “Honey, you voted the right way.”

    The other was a claim on drive time radio that the precinct where the caller voted had a 98% participation rate. Numbers like that, where voter list purges of due to deaths, moves etc. are almost non-existent, smelled to high heaven. About 3 years later the Detroit Free Press did a canvass of every registered voter in Detroit using commercial mailing lists, official death data and finally a door to door check of over 14,000 residences, many of which were empty, abandoned or non-existent. They found over 30% of the registered voters did not exist at the addresses shown on the voter rolls.

    It is interesting that the federal judge who so eagerly approved the Michigan recount reversed course shortly after the Detroit News broke the story of miscounts of ballots in Detroit.

    Corky Boyd (d7b434)


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