Trump on Special Prosecutor for Hillary: The Clintons Are “Good People” (VIDEO)
The Chicago Sun Times reports that Donald Trump has once again suggested there will be no special prosecutor for Hillary Clinton, calling her and Bill Clinton “good people”:
Trump back-pedaled on his promise to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton over her emails. “I’m going to think about it,” Trump said.
“. . . She did some bad things, I mean she did some bad things,” Trump said, prompting Stahl to ask, “I know, but a special prosecutor? You think you might . . .
To which Trump replied, making a reference to Bill and Hillary Clinton, “I don’t want to hurt them, I don’t want to hurt them. They’re, they’re good people. I don’t want to hurt them. And I will give you a very, very good and definitive answer the next time we do 60 Minutes together.”
You know, I’m a big fan of being charitable to politicians and their motives . . . and even I can’t bring myself to say the Clintons are “good people.” They tried to destroy the lives of people for telling the truth about them. They used the resources of the federal government to do so. That’s actually worse than Obama’s offense of sitting in a church for years and listening to a pastor who occasionally showed his hatred for America. The Clintons are not good people.
But that’s what I would say. After all, I never donated to the Clintons.
Donald Trump did.
Add his latest statement to the pile of statements he has already made insinuating there will be no special prosecutor, like “It’s not something I’ve given a lot of thought” . . . or praising Hillary, like “we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country.”
There will be no special prosecutor. That was campaign bluster.
Video below:
[Cross-posted at RedState.]
I didn’t watch it, but here’s another take on the 60 Minutes interview:
“Donald Trump will prove to be one of the greatest and most consequential American presidents, at least since Ronald Reagan and possibly before. No one will ever approach Washington or Lincoln, but Trump is positioned to be one of our most important leaders and be a true change-maker, turning this country around at a time when American power and greatness were on the wane.
Although I had previously suspected as much, I was convinced of this watching his performance on 60 Minutes Sunday. What we saw was Trump in the presidential mode he has long promised and he slipped into it remarkably easily, as if it had always been there and needed no coaxing.”
https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2016/11/13/donald-trump-will-prove-to-be-one-of-the-greatest-and-most-consequential-presidents/
Colonel Haiku (b2805d) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:16 amIt’s a trap. As Nixon found out, the President cannot just decree prosecutions, or non-prosecutions. They have to be according to law.
Here’s the rule for appointment of special counsel: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/part-600
nk (dbc370) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:28 amBest thing for Trump would be for Obama to pardon Hillary. I wonder if he’ll fall for that.
mark (ca18be) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:29 amthe sleazy cowardly fbi pooftertrash and the hilariously corrupt DOJ could always just decide hey let’s do our job
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:31 am4. Obama won’t pardon, he wants as much of the stink of defeat in her. Didn’t she blame him along with Coney? Even a drawn out by the book investigation and trial ties up the C’s and renders them much less able to muck up the opposition’s efforts.
urbanleftbehind (3532c9) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:34 amHe enabled it, and was an accessory after the fact, it wasn’t state policy like fast and furious or the it’s but still.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:39 amSo, for those of us trying to keep score here at home, Trump has done the following within the last week:
1. $1 Trillion in stimulus is a good idea
2. Gay marriage is fine
3. We’ll tweak Obamacare
4. GOPe is great, so great they can run my chief of staff
5. Hillary is a good person (probably no prosecution)
It seems the Trump faithful–not those of us adopting a wait and see position–are starting to pivot, saying that these things aren’t the most important issues facing the country right now; so, no worries! Uh huh. Let’s see how this list grows over the next couple of months leading up to the inauguration and then tell me again how the #NeverTrumpers were wrong about Trump.
Sean (41ed1e) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:56 amit’s still better than doing a nasty diseased criminal pig or a slurpy egg mcmuffin all up in it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:59 amIt would be the dtermination of the incoming justice department, the taskforce headed by Kevin o’connor, an aide to Gonzalez.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:00 amSo Gannon who would likely have input from schweitzer press the point to trump?
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:03 amI’m getting a little tired of the SJW game:
“You’re in favor of X, but now politician Y that you support says he’s going to do not-X. What do you say now, what happened to your principles?”
Let’s just retire these. They’re stupid. I didn’t like them when the Left did it and I don’t like it happening on the Right either.
For the last few weeks we heard that Donald Trump is a fascist for threatening to “jail” Hillary Clinton; which was never going to happen since Presidents have no power to jail people. So all the people, without exception, who said he was a tyrant-in-waiting should now say they were wrong and apologize, right?
Instead, it’s “now he’s not gonna jail Hillary? Where’s your principles?”
Gabriel Hanna (4f5ff1) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:05 amBesides, DOJ could indict Hillary at any time for what they have now. Why do they even need a special prosecutor?
Gabriel Hanna (4f5ff1) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:06 amTrump is giving Obama permission to go gently into his new emeritus status and to leave Bill and Hill twisting in the wind scrambling to answer for a lifetime of blatant lawlessness under a revitalized Justice Department dedicated to equality under the law and free from the unrestrained political corruption and influence peddling which marks recent Democrat Administrations.
ropelight (942a13) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:06 amYou guys are on a constant emotional roller coaster. Everything with Trump is bluster! He could change his statement tomorrow. No, by dinner. Relax! Sit back and watch the left explode at his every bluster.
Holy crap, you guys are smart enough to know anything the man says now means nothing. He’s not even President yet. Let him at least get sworn in before you give the left more ammo.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:08 amyes yes you’re right Mr. Reverend
Mr. Trump’s playing a longer and much deeper game than we’re used to with our regular cowardly feckless impossibly weird and always slicked-up R’s
it’s very disorienting at first
i see that now
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:12 amSo your position is that Trump is lying NOW and will actually not implement a $1 Trillion stimulus, will fully repeal and replace Obamacare, prosecute Clinton, oppose Gay Marriage, and so on?
Sean (41ed1e) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:16 amLol at patterico
Mr Pink (1ced39) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:17 amI don’t know about anybody else here, Sean, but I never said the #NeverTrumpers were wrong about Trump. My argument was they were wrong about allowing Killary to win by not voting Trump. But it matters not, Trump won, Killary was relegated to the trash heap of history where the pinko b!tch deserves to be and we have the White House, Congress and soon the Supreme Court. Stop you’re damn b!tchin’ already. Enough. Or are you going to be the new version of “It’s Bush’s fault” every time somebody says something.
The election is over people. At this point you neverTrumpers are sucking all the air out of the room with the constant din. You’re making politics as boring as it should have been all along.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:21 amLOL at those blindly following Trump…
Trump just laid out a pretty radical student debt plan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/10/13/trump-just-laid-out-a-pretty-radical-student-debt-plan
Sean (41ed1e) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:21 amIf Trump does not want people looking too closely at the $100 billion in pork and graft he plans to funnel to his kids, he cannot make the Democrats too unhappy. Or the GOPe for that matter. Or K Street. Or Wall Street. It’s going to a very Presidential, reaching-across-the-aisle, looting of the U.S. Treasury.
nk (dbc370) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:22 amAs I said on Wednesday, I’m willing to give Trump a chance, unless he starts to support policies that are counter to my Conservative principles and are against Liberty and Freedom. Obama killed that within 2 weeks of being elected, and it appears Trump will best that by 7 days at the rate he’s going. See the link I posted above for just another example.
But, perhaps I should be happy because people like happyfeet tell me Trump is just playing the long con and is lying to the country at the moment.
Sean (41ed1e) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:24 amMr. P**k really needs to get new batteries for
nk (dbc370) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:24 amhisits vibrator.Trump needs cooperation from Team Barack in order to facilitate a smooth transition. He also realizes that he needs to be conciliatory enough with Democrats right now so that he can ensure that he gets all his nominees confirmed.
It makes a nice dichotomy when he’s being calm and conciliatory as his vanquished opponents are rioting in the streets and comparing him to Hitler.
Kenny Rogers once sang something about knowing when to hold ’em, and knowing when to fold ’em.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:24 amNot every time and place is a time and place for a gunfight.
no, you are not, if you’re willing to give lesley stahl, who was trying to ambush reagan, 35 years ago, if you don’t examine the full transcript,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:27 amIf the rumors are true, we may have Richard Grenell as Ambassador to the UN.
He’s kind of like a younger John Bolton, minus the cool walrus mustache!
Who would illary have appointed — her maid?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:31 amI completely support Trump’s current temperament, and you’re right, it’s a nice change from Trump the candidate. However, if he’s plan is to lie to Democrats to win them over then he really doesn’t understand Democrats. Democrats won’t support Trump because of the R next to his name. He could expand gay marriage, jail “intolerant” bakers, forgive all student loan debt, keep Obamacare in full, and they’d still oppose him. So I don’t get the strategy of alienating your base to court the Democrats.
Sean (41ed1e) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:32 amAnybody feeling sorry for Chris Christie? http://www.forbes.com/sites/jmaureenhenderson/2016/11/14/the-career-mistake-that-doomed-chris-christie-and-how-you-can-avoid-making-it/#3c17185913b4
nk (dbc370) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:34 amno, like I say personnel is policy,
https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/11/13/transition-tales-draining-the-swamp-wont-be-as-easy-as-you-think/?singlepage=true
much the same could be seen at the company, at foggy bottom,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:39 amNK, woudnt be surprised if he ends up being a straight fat version of Charlie Crist.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:45 ami hate his student loan debt plan but we have to see what comes through congress and what he ultimately signs
there could be substantial reforms appended you know
there’s a whole whirl of possibilities now that food stamp’s gone and that nasty pig too
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:56 amno, cheetah was redeemable before then, it’s not straight up graft like harrison williams, just mere stupidity,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:01 am“2. Gay marriage is fine” = more like Gay marriage is a done deal.
I think that’s right. Why waste energy on that. It’s just not worth it.
3.On Ocare- a compromise on pre-exisiting conditions is necessary. Large employer policies were almost all “shall issue” with de minimis waiting periods, or none at all for persons who had maintained prior coverage. The individual market was what needed adjusting, and that was always possible without the ACA as it is today.
There were two main problems – the high cost of continuation policies, predatory rescission policies, related to pre-existing condition clauses and refusal to issue any policy that would EVER cover the pre-existing condition.
To solve that, what really needed to occur (and I argue at the state level, not the federal) was shall-issue group policies not tied to employment,
with no exclusions and limited pre-existing condition periods. They needed to be long enough to encourage prudent provision for ones self and family, but not so long as to permanently shut anyone out of the market.
The Feds could encourage such prudent provision with tax sheltered HSA’s (without the current caps meant to discourage them), tax credits to anyone purchasing insurance, and/or offering anyone the option to join the federal workers plans.
If you can save tax free for medical expenses and insurance costs, get a tax credit if you purchase insurance, and join a group plan outside of employment, there is little excuse for a prudent person to delay or avoid purchasing insurance. I’d think the typical two year delay when there was no prior coverage would suffice, but a one-year or staggered delay could also work to encourage pay-in.
Rescission would be, if I ran the zoo, limited to outright fraud, necessarily related to the treatment being denied, not to the policy itself. (no abusive “you forgot to mention that rapid heartbeat that one time, so we won’t pay for your completely unrelated chemotherapy” permitted)
The ability to participate in non-employer group coverage (local or federal buy-in) with the same pre-tax advantages employers get, would create a market for different groups with different kinds of coverage. States should maintain the right to regulate what must be covered and how, with the exception of the federal workers plan.
The worst idea I’ve heard so far is to allow plans to be sold across state lines. That undermining of state authority on plans sold in their border in compliance with all state laws, will lead to the same situation that occurred with banks, with policies only issuing from states that succumb to heavy lobbying for favorable treatment within those states, and that will long term hurt consumers, and further grind down state’s right to regulate business within their own borders, or write laws related to collateral sources of recovery, or personal injury, or malpractice. Since it’s the stupidest and most shortsighted idea, I expect GOP to clamber right aboard that train to hell.
SarahW (3164f0) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:04 amPerhaps Hedley Pence might explain about the existence of the Department of Justice and the Attorney General as an aid in helping Trump avoid declarations regarding matters beyond his competence. Hedley might also mention something about the need to find the 4,000 or so staff required to fill the West Wing and annexes. I’m sure the torrent of resumes from competent people who see working for a mercurial, bombastic buffoon most famous for his YOUR FIRED! line as fulfillment of their greatest desires is a memorable sight.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:05 amSean, I think if Trump were to be blustery and outrageous as “President-elect,” it would fuel demand for opposition to his forthcoming nominations.
He’s probably had people (Kellyanne Conway, I’m sure!) whispering in his ear about how he needs to be Presidential and statesman-like now that he’s won.
He can get smoother-sailing with his nominations by using honey rather than vinegar.
You’re right that the Dems can’t be trusted. I don’t trust Democrats anymore than I trust Iran’s Mullahs.
The way Ted Kennedy betrayed Bush 43 was disgusting. Same as with Tip O’Neill nastily trashing Reagan behind his back. But at least Trump’s not giving them any current fuel for their arson impulses.
I just think he’s trying to be conciliatory during the transition and nominating-process periods. He’s talking about backing out of the silly global warming treaty, and the rumor is that he’s condisering sending Richard Grenell to the UN. And he and Netanyahu were on the phone just hours after he won, giddily praising one another.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:05 amAnd apparently even Melania and Sarah Netanyahu have spoken — that’s good news to hear.
I think the O’care recipient cohort ends up like the Railroad Retirement Group a permanent but manageable subgrouping of people privy to lack of restrictions on pre-existing and age (of which their children will eventually age out of, but yeah wouldnt put it past them to pop one out before October 1, 2017 which is still biologically possible), but is given sort of a large tax credit ad infinitum or access to -care/-caid at younger age/higher income cutoff.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:11 am#25: Since the maid was in on all the top secret emails she’s qualified.
Charlie Davis (df08d0) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:12 amplus he’s trying to explain this to lesley stahl, who saw storm clouds in reagan’s era, and fluffy clouds now, only one category error above couric, so it depends on policy, now o’connor unlike his boss alberto gonzalez, may recall reciprocity, meanwhile what about ‘fast and furious’
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:13 am@Rev Hoagie: He’s not even President yet.
He’s not even President-Elect yet.
As for my expectations for Trump, all I has was that he not be Hillary Clinton, and he’s doing a fine job of that. Anything else he does that I might approve of is gravy.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:22 am“no, like I say personnel is policy,”
Narciso,
So, Team Bannon/Priebus is an indicator, right? I’m not sure schizophrenic policy will function particularly effectively.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:37 amR.I.P. Leon Russell, keyboardist, vocalist, musician extraordinaire
Icy (091d47) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:37 amwell bannon, has the vision, had he flipped the coin, you’d still be complaining, and if lewandowski was in the top slot, snorfle,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:39 amthe adl, and dees group, are of one mind, and the forward, oh vekakte,
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2016/11/14/trump-is-the-best-thing-that-has-happened-to-israel-in-years/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:44 amIt would be nice to think that he’s downplaying the threat of a Hillary prosecution for the sake of preventing an Obama blanket pardon on exit. It would make for interesting politics, but it would be unlikely, considering the man’s history. He does actually like her, and he always has. It’s this consideration of personal history that the Trump supporters have ignored all along, and I’m not about to start, now. Prosecution was just a campaign lie.
M Patterson (f737b7) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:47 amhe’s still keeping a shadow on her
that’ll help dissuade the saudi royal perverts from slopping the pig for a while at least
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:56 amUnfortunately I really don’t see any good coming out of prosecuting HRC regarding the classified materials issues. I simply see no way that it could ever end in conviction, regardless of the strength of the evidence.
Now, if there is strong enough evidence regarding the their charity fund and tax issues …
I believe most Americans would simply yawn about misuse of classified materials, but a showing that they are tax cheats would be an entirely different matter. I suspect even HRC supporters would have a hard time letting that slide.
Soronel Haetir (86a46e) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:58 amit wouldn’t be monday without a hot take from cilizza, fresh off the grill,
https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/798204077729599488
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:58 amNarciso,
I’m pretty cheerful about the outcome of the election. The GOP won a clear majority of the total vote for House seats and most winning GOP Senate candidates out polled Trump by clear margins. The Congress owes Trump absolutely nothing and there has not been a better opportunity for Congress to reassert its status as a completely co-equal branch with the Executive for the past century.
I hope Trump slows his propensity to bray without thinking but I don’t happen to believe he possesses the tool to do so and I do agree with you regarding personnel becoming policy but I’ve yet to see evidence of anything resembling coherence in his approach to hiring.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:15 amHere’s how to split the baby. Jan 20….first docucment signed in Oval Office is appointment of special prosecutor aimed at the Foundation. Second document signed is a pardon for Hillary… saves the country the spectacle in the same way Ford did… keeps the slime balls at the Foundation on the hook…plus eventual evidence will show Hillary guilty as sin…further destorying her in the public eye.
Bill Saracino (30c154) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:36 amThen you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Maybe the DoJ isn’t up to the task, but then the solution is to give it to DoD prosecutors who can get a conviction with this evidence. It’s a slam dunk case.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:42 amMuch good would come from prosecuting Hillary! over her serial violations of the Espionage Act.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:44 am“As for my expectations for Trump, all I has was that he not be Hillary Clinton, and he’s doing a fine job of that. Anything else he does that I might approve of is gravy.”
– Gabriel Hanna
You have woefully low standards for someone claiming to live in a self-governing society.
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:18 amI just question the strategy, if it is a strategy and not a full throated tip of the hat to the Democrats that he’s really okay with their positions on those issues. Why throw the Democrats a bone, especially on social issues, before his first week is over as President-Elect? What good comes from signaling that you’re going to surrender the budget, gay marriage, student loans, and medicare/obamacare before even taking the oath of office? The tone is nice, I’m happy to find common ground to begin bringing everyone together, but this isn’t how you do it.
Sean (1d5074) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:26 amOr one could presage it, Sean, as prepping the battle space for being hard core on illegal immigration by buying off chunks of their legal/citizen ethnic constituency who have other more pressing concern then some cousin in the garage. Its like a R governor candidate in CA assuring Calpers recipients and participants he’s really not into radical changes in their retirement package, provided that….
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:32 amIf Trump forgoes an opportunity to prosecute Hillary he becomes complicit in the coverup, and confirms that the rule of law is dead in America. Clearly, if Crooked Hillary proves to be above the law, then Lady Justice can ditch her useless blindfold. She isn’t going to be fooling anyone any more.
ropelight (942a13) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:42 am60 Minutes and its sneering, snarky horsestuff (I didn’t watch, but my wife told me all about it)… really… the Democrats with Bylines either don’t understand – or more probably don’t care – that the majority of Americans are on to them and have been for years.
Give the man a chance, for chrissakes, and give it a freakin’ rest for a few weeks if you possibly can. This is beginning to look like OCD, coupled with Trumphausen-by-proxy syndrome.
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:42 amMr. Trump’s planning that transition
chunky-butt Loretta’s gonna have to find a new place for to do her special brand of harvardtrash sleaze and corruption
my money says she lands at facebook
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:47 amO’Brien was right.
Amnesty can’t be far behind.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:54 amI really wasn’t interested in revisiting this. But since you bring it up if you think this, “Obama’s offense of sitting in a church for years…,” is why you caught a ration of excrement for undeservedly calling Barack Obama a “good man” it constitutes a rewrite of history. Plenty of information from Obama’s run at state Senator, his time as state Senator, and likewise his run at and time as a US Senator, to know Obama was not a good man. He’s a cold, evil, soulless ghoul. It would have been enough to know of his penchant to use surrogates unseal divorce records of his opponents even when those records were sealed to protect the children. But there was more; Obama may care about his own children but he could care less about any others.
Obama’s enthusiasm for infanticide was known before he won the election. Any fan of infanticide can not be called a good man. Yet you did say he was a good man. Don’t minimize why that was wrong or try to rewrite history about why people called you out. It had almost nothing to do with his choice of churches or pastors. That was way, way down on the list.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:59 amI am thinking more in terms of jury composition. I simply do not believe that you could get a complete jury that would give the classified materials issue a fair hearing. And that is what I mean by not being able to get a conviction regardless of the strength of the evidence. She might not get a straight acquittal but I also don’t see prosecutors getting a conviction no matter how many mistrials were declared on the basis of a hung jury.
Soronel Haetir (86a46e) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:02 amI am so boring.
I said lonnggg ago that judging people by their words and not their actions is what got us into the mess we have been in,
so I didn’t care what anyone said,
including Trump.
I cared about what people did, like Cruz and Walker.
I said I didn’t trust Trump on anything,
other than he is not Clinton,
and I figured it would be hard for anyone to be worse for the country than her.
Dear host, please, at some point, just write a post about how bad Trump has been,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:10 amand just link it when you feel you need to,
Otherwise, we will just be complaining about Trump continuously.
Yes, we can discuss what ought to be done and why,
but just link the “it’s the fault of Trump and the Trumpkins” post
And go from there,
Please…
I think there should be an investigation about misconduct in office for the sake of exposing it.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:11 amBut don’t try to make it about prosecution and jail.
Not being elected at this age is punishment enough,
but it would be nice to expose just how widespread corruption was in various places in the executive division of the government.
Congress has subpoena power, new boss in town.
Depose secret service, where was the pres and Sec Clinton the night of Benghazi.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:15 amit’s very exciting
expunging food stamp and that pig
opening a new chapter with a for reals american in the white house (President Trump)
maybe even pervy Mitt Ryan’s slicked-up boy toy Paul Ryan won’t even be speaker
that’s what we call a two-pinata birthday party in my barrio
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:21 amoopers pervy Mitt *Romney’s* slicked-up boy toy Paul Ryan i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:22 amAt the moment, Trump is like the ball at the top of a very large Pachinko machine – and the final slots at the bottom are semi-randomised spectrum from very good to very bad … and Trump has just started his trajectory, bouncing off the various pins …
Why panic when he seems to be going the “wrong way” ? Why cheer when he seems to be going the “right way” ?
President-Elect Trump needs to work with the corrupt idiots in the current Obama administration to set up as successful a transition as possible – and, if he uses Obama-like taqiyya to achieve that good result, I, for one, consider that to b sensible statesmanship …
As many wise cultures teach, words are cheap, and actions matter …
If you need to hyperventilate, please feel free to do so, but please try to do it somewhere else, so that we can have rational discourse (with interspersed levity) in here …
From my perspective, most of the correct heads are exploding – but that doesn’t mean that we have to explode our *own* heads, too, does it ?
alastor (2e7f9f) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:22 amexcellent metaphor, and wise
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:23 amSoronel Haetir @59, I honestly don’t understand your objection or reservation. The case is so airtight a competent prosecutor could get a conviction without the case ever going to trial. On the mishandling of classified alone Hillary! would be facing thousands of years in prison. Actually per the statute the information only need be national security information, it says nothing about it being classified. The government virtually always gets people like Hillary! to plead guilty to avoid dying in prison.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:23 amI think he’s sneaking up to it. Sort of like you don’t want to announce ahead of time we’re pulling out of Iraq on [insert date here].
You don’t want to tip your hand.
It’s like with Myron Ebell in charge of the EPA transition. That’s been in the air for a while since before the election.
What is the result?
Mr. Trump isn’t in charge yet. A bunch of wounded scoundrels are.
Give it time.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:27 amR.I.P. Gwell Ifill. Journalist.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:35 amjournalist?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:37 amPatterico, please stop making us feel bad for voting for an incompetent unethical moron as our leader. Moar red meat plz
Leviticus (f3fc71) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:39 amGwen Ifil is hailed as a journalist’s journalist by Politico.
Not quite the compliment they intend it as.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:45 amMEMO TO: The Donald-elect
SUBJECT: Knickers In A Twist
Keep tweaking the noses of those rigid, ideological conservatives.
Love it.
“Never mind what I told you. I’M TELLING YOU!” – Captain Morton [James Cagney] ‘Mister Roberts’ – 1955
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:47 amWas she sick, or did she do a Redd Fox?
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:47 amshe had cancer if you believe the news media
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:48 am@Leviticus:You have woefully low standards for someone claiming to live in a self-governing society.
Let me just get back in my time machine and do… what, exactly?
During the primaries I argued for, and voted for, Ted Cruz, which I assume met your high standards.
What I didn’t do, was pound my juice box on my high chair over and over because Cruz didn’t win. I did, however, argue against, and vote against, the one candidate nominated who would have been a worse President than Trump.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:48 amIfill dead at 61 and other than significantly overweight, looked healthy enough. I wonder what took her.
ropelight (942a13) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:48 amI wouldn’t even mind if following the investigation Trump pardoned Hillary! For several reasons.
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2016/09/the-nixon-pardon-in-retrospect-40-years-later/
Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. It was important to Ford (an honorable man, a Naval Officer, and a Fighter Direction Officer [FDO] who served in carriers in the Pacific during WWII) that Nixon understood, that everyone understood, the ex-President was admitting guilt by accepting the pardon.
Clinton would also have no Fifth Amendment privilege since, being pardoned, she would face no legal jeopardy when questioned about the crimes for which she was pardoned.
I won’t go on. The point is you don’t deliberately or negligently mishandle national security information. You’re supposed to be a little bit scared when granted access to classified. It keeps you on your toes.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:49 am@77. Cancer.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:49 am@Leviticus: Did you vote for Hillary?
If not, you have every bit to do with Trump’s being President now as I have.
If you did, come out and own it.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:50 ami wanted Mr. Walker and even gave harvardtrash Ted a chance until he got so disgusting
but in the end the only moral thing to do was to support the only person who good beat that pig and that i what I did and I’ve never looked back
instead I look forward – look forward to making America great again
i am very happy
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:50 amwho *could* beat that pig i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:51 am“happyfeet” #66 – does this blog have a basement ?
alastor (2e7f9f) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:55 amjust a root cellar i think
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:58 amFunny. During the primary you called Ted Cruz “Lyin’ Ted” for much less than this. Now we’re supposed to relax.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:59 amPatterico, please stop making us feel bad for voting for an incompetent unethical moron as our leader. Moar red meat plz
Leviticus (f3fc71) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:39 am
This comment interests me because I think just the opposite is happening. The more some people try to de-legitimize Trump and his incontrovertible election even before he has even taken the oath of office it gives strength and added reassurance to both the eager and the reluctant Trump voters (whose votes all counted the same) that they made the right choice.
elissa (58b3df) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:00 pm@Elissa:This comment interests me because I think just the opposite is happening
Seconding this, if any group here is getting served red meat, it’s #NeverTrump; and Leviticus is projecting this on the other commenters.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:05 pmTed Cruz is the lion of the Senate, now.
Relax. Everything is going according to plan.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:06 pmsilly nevertrump went poofydust like a buffy vampire
at best they’re just malcontented shadows of their former selves
they need hugs they need bean and cheese burritos and most of all they need your understanding
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:08 pmtrump doesn”t see what’s wrong with the Clintons, and knowows them too well personally. It is not surprising taht he thinks this way because although he talked of jail, this was limited, and he really didn’t udnerstand it. It showed.
Still, he won’t stop what others are doing, either in Congress or in U.S. Attorney’s offices.
It will hit them by surprise.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:12 pm@86. He’s gonna do just fine. Traffic around Fifth & 57th, not so much.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:12 pmGwen Ifill RIP
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/14/business/media/gwen-ifill-dies.html?_r=0
The thing is, back in 1992, she wrote a thing or two about Bill Clinton. Not so tough but she knew some things. She died in a hospice.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:13 pmI am not trying to whitewash history. That’s what people kept bringing up. Nobody ever brought up what you’re talking about.
Anyway, Trump says he’s a “very good man.”
Trump has seen eight years of Obama as President. I hadn’t.
I eagerly await your far more passionate denunciation of Trump. Thanks!
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:15 pmTrump is showing himself to be OK except on the 2 1/2 issues I worried about.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:15 pmListen, the election is over. Trump won. If you’re really willing to give Trump a chance as you claim, how about waiting at least until the poor ba$tard is sworn in? You guys are jumping all over a guy who, if he’s human at all, is thinking out loud or doing what the pundits call “floating balloons”.
I’m begging you , please have mercy on us poor regular people who have not given Trump a rent free apartment in our heads for life. You beat us up all through the primary and I was for Cruz. You beat us up through the general and I was not “supporting” Trump, I was BEATING Killary. Now you are going to continue to rant and rave at every word the man utters?? As MD in Philly said: put down the juice box and talk policy not personality because policy counts and we can’t do anything about the personality.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:17 pmIfill dead at 61 and other than significantly overweight, looked healthy enough. I wonder what took her.
ropelight (942a13) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:48 am
She had terminal sad.
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:18 pmR.I.P. Gwen Ifill, PBS anchorperson
Icy (b492cf) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:20 pm(Would’ve let DCSCA take the lead on that one, but . . . “journalist” is forgivable — mangling her name is not)
Icy (b492cf) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:22 pmNot really seeing any giant rations of excrement for Trump for his less defensible comment, I feel as though there is a bit of a double standard here.
Don’t just *tell* me you feel the same or worse about Trump. Let’s see the ration of excrement in all its glory. How DARE Trump say this! Let’s excoriate him non-stop for the next eight years over it!!! Mr. Pink hardest hit!!!!!!!
No? Yawn?
Fine. Then leave me alone about it too.
I will accept the harsh criticism ONLY from someone who passionately, at length and repeatedly, dares to call out Trump for this. Otherwise, frankly, save your outrage at me. Just save it.
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:22 pmexcerpt from Liberals are in such disbelief/shock on Myron Ebell appointment for EPA transition he has a snopes page
Ebell openly declares himself to be a climate change skeptic who disputes the severity of human activity on Earth’s climate. On this point, Ebell has been extremely consistent: He argues that anthropogenic global warming, if it happens at all, is a minor issue that has been usurped by liberals to expand the federal government. He has stated in many different venues that he intends to dismantle the scientific consensus around anthropogenic global warming, as discussed in this October 23 2012 interview with PBS Frontline’s John Hockenberry:
“
Coming soon to an EPA near you!
Relax
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:24 pmIt’s nice, though. Trump has given me a ready rejoinder to this crap for the rest of my life. Oh, yeah? Trump said “very good man.” And that the Clintons are good people. So denounce him first or I ignore your ranting on this topic.
Sweet! I like it!
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:25 pm“HMM: Gary Johnson helped Hillary. Not by enough, but he did. “Gary Johnson’s candidacy helped Hillary; Democrats’ efforts to delegitimize Johnson hurt Hillary; and on Election Day, if Gary Johnson hadn’t been in the race, Trump would have won by more.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/249169/
So… folks who voted Cheech n’ Chong helped Hillary but not enough.
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:27 pmMagnanimous in victory… bitterly manic in defeat.
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:28 pmFWIW, over these eight years I have come to see Obama as kind of a narcissistic dick.
Still, he is faithful to his wife and grabs no pussies against their will that I know of.
Patterico (864030) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:31 pmWho’s that, Colonel?
Patterico (864030) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:32 pmAre you talking to Sean or to me?
This post is a pretty standard-issue “politician strongly implies he will not be keeping key campaign promise” post. That’s the kind of post bloggers do.
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:38 pmhttp://img.pandawhale.com/30234-Obama-Grumpy-Cat-meme-IxdN.jpeg
Could be an alt right photoshop – not vowing for it’s authenticity.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:38 pmet tu Patterico? The Donald isn’t the only one to suffer criticism for praising a questionable individual. I thought you knew that.
ropelight (942a13) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:44 pmHis personal morals are a lesson to us all. He’s a regular Pope. But we don’t elect a Pope nor should we expect one. I expect someone who is faithful to the Constitution of the United States, to the people he swore to govern, to the traditions and culture of the country that elected him and to the office of President. I don’t believe he was faithful to any of those things so whether or not he grabbed pussies is of little consequence.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:45 pmyou’re not supposed to wash your turkey
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:46 pmI was speaking in general about everybody and I was not being specific to this post. I was just hoping to stop the constant trumpbeat.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:50 pmYeah. That is kind of the point. If you’re not going to blast him for this, it cancels any criticism I ever took for a far more defensible comment.
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:52 pmIf Trump pursues a policy of which I approve, what would you have me do?
If he pursues a policy of which I disapprove, what would you have me do?
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:54 pmDear Host,
Yes, politician doesn’t keep campaign promises.
I said that long ago and often as a reason to go for Cruz or Walker.
Please, pretty please
with sugar on top…
Make a post titled
“Trump the politician backs away from a campaign promise,
I told you so 😊😒😣!!!!
And from then on just list the newest and link the previous post.
Other wise, it will get very old very quickly,
Did I say “Please” enough?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:54 pmYou damn sure are supposed to wash your turkey. Inside and out. With warm water, no soap of course. The bird is covered with E-coli and salmonella for heaven sake. They live and die in their own sh!t. And you really shouldn’t do stuffing as it impedes the thorough cooking of the bird. If you must, do dressing cooked on the side and bacteria free.
The ad has been brought to you by a restauranteur and holder of a PA Serve Safe Certification.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:56 pm“If Trump pursues a policy of which I approve, what would you have me do?
If he pursues a policy of which I disapprove, what would you have me do?”
– Patterico
1) Say so, enthusiastically!
2) Say nothing. In fact, say you approve, enthusiastically.
Leviticus channeling Trumpkins (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:58 pmIt really does appear that the Trumpkins’ defining characteristic is whining. Bunch of squeaky wheels squeaking for their grease.
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:58 pmYes, yes
Discuss the specific policy and the pros and cons,
I just want to avoid the repetitive anti Trump and the following bickering in the post comments.
I can say “I told you so” with the best of them,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:00 pmBecause I did,
But, I can’t take it anymore…
Whatever you feel appropriate, it’s your site. I am just hoping we can do it without a constant lambast about the person and not the policy.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:01 pmnonono for the love of turkey jesus you do not wash this noblest of birds
washing vastly increases the odds of cross-contamination in your kitchen
and right smack dab in the middle of the holidays!
just brine and bake you’ll be so happy
nom nom nom this turkey is so tasty you will say
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:01 pm“@Leviticus: Did you vote for Hillary?
If not, you have every bit to do with Trump’s being President now as I have.
If you did, come out and own it.”
– Gabriel Hanna
I did not vote for Hillary. I voted third-party.
And no, I do not have every bit to do with Trump’s being President as you now have. I live in New Mexico. New Mexico went comfortably for Clinton, without my vote.
Own your little equity share in this embarrassment. I decided I’d rather not have that albatross around my neck.
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:02 pmOf course there will never be a special prosecutor because the criminality leads to the WH and Obama. That doesn’t mean whoever moved the crown jewels out of the vault and into Hillary’s house is off the hook yet. There’s more than one way to clean up the Clinton/Obama mess than appointing a special prosecutor to investigate her alone. The same goes for the fraudulent Clinton favor factory.
I expect to be disappointed but am willing to wait to see whether Trump’s playing us for chumps or setting them up.
crazy (d3b449) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:02 pmThanks Rev.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:03 pmDoes that mean that if I want a turducken I should have it as 3 individual birds?
I could add a goose, then.
Had a goose once for Thanksgiving,
I remembered it as awesome
Nobody else did.
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James B. Shearer (667387) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:04 pm
113If he pursues a policy of which I disapprove, what would you have me do?
So you think putting Clinton in jail should be a top priority of the new administration?
James B. Shearer (667387) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:05 pmN.B. – Liviticus shares his own MO.
ropelight (942a13) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:05 pmYes the election is over, but I’m not going to stay silent when he begins acting like a Liberal. Not speaking up when Trump says something idiotic or proposes something un-Conservative just makes your complicit when he follows through. Of course many of us worried about this very issue and pointed out that people wouldn’t have the guts to hold him to his word if he won the election, but I suppose that’s just crazy talk now…
So, the question put back to you, how long of a leash are you willing to give Trump as he flirts with the crazy Liberal across the room? Are you okay with all of these leftist plans because he hasn’t been sworn in yet? Should we wait to speak up after January 20th? After his first 100 days? After he gets a State of the Union address? How about at the midterm elections? Would it be okay to say something then?
sean (1d5074) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:06 pmLeviticus, that’s not right. You’re putting words in people’s mouths, specifically MD and mine both of whom you know are not “Trumpkins”. Then you do exactly what we’re talking about: beating up on Trump instead of the policy. Gee, I’m sorry if after over a year of this crap you find calling for an end to it “whining”.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:06 pmDid you guys know that Steve Bannon worked at Goldman Sachs? Gross, right?! happyfeets everywhere are shocked&awed at this disturbing tidbit.
#draintheswamp
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:07 pm104 FWIW, over these eight years I have come to see Obama as kind of a narcissistic dick.
Isn’t that kind of a given for a top level politician? You guy Cruz comes across that way too.
James B. Shearer (667387) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:08 pmTrump sure did:
“Donald Trump Turns Up the Heat on Hillary Clinton: ‘She Has to Go to Jail'”
http://fortune.com/2016/10/13/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-jail/
sean (1d5074) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:10 pmhe’s a reformed sacky
reformed sackies are good cause they know all the sacky sneaks and tricks
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:10 pmSean, you don’t get it. You won’t get it. You can’t get it. All your rants have become a cacophony of the same old crap. You can’t talk about Trumps policies because you won’t stop talking about Trump. Look at your #127 rant. All about wanting to whine about Trump.
We all know he’s a New York liberal we all know all those things. We don’t need to go over them ad nausea.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:12 pmIs a decision to appoint a special prosecutor for Hillary an issue of personality or policy?
To me it’s a rule of law issue. YMMV.
I would say I hope I don’t have to write a lot of “Trump breaks campaign promises” posts. But that would not be honest. There are some campaign promises I hope he breaks. I’ll note when he does, but with any luck some of those times I will be happy. (I hope he breaks a “let’s spend billions on infrastructure!” promise, for example.)
But why do you think I would have cause to write a lot of anti-Trump posts? Do you *expect* him to break a lot of promises or do a lot of things that contradict a classical liberal philosophy?
If not, relax. If he’s awesome, I won’t slam him.
But obviously you’re worried he won’t be. And rather than exert pressure on him not to break good promises, y’all seem to want to exert pressure on me not to talk about it.
Why? Are you afraid I will help Hillary win? She already lost. Why do you not want me to give conservatives in Congress leverage against bad things Trump might do?
Patterico (864030) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:13 pmThere WILL be a war between Congressional conservatives and Trump at some point.
The conservatives know I will have their back.
Will you too?
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:14 pmProvided a sand pit and the turkeys wash themselves.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Turkey_Sand_Bath.jpg
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:15 pm“Gee, I’m sorry if after over a year of this crap you find calling for an end to it “whining”.”
– Rev. Hoagie
It is whining. Patterico has written about what he wants to write about for the past, what, 13 years now, largely without objection – and now, when he refuses to toe the party line with the majority, the persistent chorus is “stop telling us stuff we don’t want to hear!”
It is whining. Your guy won, yeah, and he’s gonna do what he wants. Did he think he was gonna do it without dissent? Maybe. Did you?
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:15 pm@Leviticus: I live in New Mexico. New Mexico went comfortably for Clinton, without my vote.
I live in Washington. Washington went comfortably for Clinton, without my vote. I did not vote for Hillary.
Consequently, as I said before you have every bit to do with Trump’s being President now as I have.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:17 pmI want her treated the same as anyone else would be in similar circumstances. Rule of law not men.
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:18 pm#135, Depends on the issue.
ropelight (942a13) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:19 pm@sean:Trump sure did
Not what Shearer asked. He asked what YOU think.
Do you think Trump should make putting Hillary in jail his biggest priority right now?
If yes, complain all you like about how Trump, who you don’t support, is doing something different from what you think he should do.
If no, then say “I don’t like Trump but he’s doing something I agree with”.
Pretty simple. See, now we’re discussing ISSUES and not PERSONALITIES.
No one has a time machine. None of us here would use it to vote Hillary, so she wouldn’t be elected even then. So why not talk about things that matter instead of things that don’t?
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:20 pm@Patterico:I want her treated the same as anyone else would be in similar circumstances. Rule of law not men.
I think for Trump that would mean, after Jan 20, asking his new DOJ if they want to go to the grand jury with what they have, and if that answer is “no” then leaving it be.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:22 pm““As for my expectations for Trump, all I has was that he not be Hillary Clinton, and he’s doing a fine job of that. Anything else he does that I might approve of is gravy.”
– Gabriel Hanna
I have different, higher expectations of anyone who would claim to be my leader. That was my point about your low standards.
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:23 pmshe’s a pig a dirty pig and she should go to jail and cowardly corrupt comey should go to jail and loathsome harvardtrash chunky-butt Loretta should also go to jail
they think they’re above the law
because they are
i hope they wash their turkeys and do cross-contamination all over their granite countertops and have to go to bed with a bucket
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:25 pmDid you vote for Trump, Gabriel? I already told you that I did not vote for either Clinton or Trump. Care to return the favor?
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:25 pmNow, a special prosecutor may not be what others would get. I didn’t say special prosecutor. Trump did.
Prison time or jail might not even be what another might get. Maybe a misdemeanor and probation is what someone else would get. But I didn’t say jail. Trump did.
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:25 pm@Leviticus:I have different, higher expectations of anyone who would claim to be my leader.
I don’t mistake the chumps and clowns in DC for “My Leader”. No free citizen of a free republic would.
Trump is an employee. As far as I am concerned he has one job. I’d rather he did only that one thing–not be Hillary–and left me to my life. I don;t have a Leader-shaped void in my soul needing filling. YMMV.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:26 pmI’ve been denouncing Trump for months. What are you talking about? Just one example.
https://patterico.com/2016/06/02/trump-the-judge-in-my-fraud-case-has-a-conflict-of-interest-because-he-is-of-mexican-heritage/#comment-1893309
I didn’t get my wish. Nobody got indicted or struck dead by lightning or plague. I gave myself until election day to decide and sawing my arm off with a dull rusty knife would have been the more pleasant option than walking into my polling place. Comey’s public capitulation put me over the top. It’s (blanking) disgusting. As he was describing her crimes he kept saying those crimes wer not big deal. Only copies? Sh**bird, the reason you enforce the espionage act is prevent people from making copies. Copies are what kills you. I just couldn’t take the chance. The Democrats really are trying to turn Texas Blue. The last election cycle I was shocked by the Dem’s GOTV campaign. I was standing in line and I was outnumbered thirty to one by “them” with their Democratic party voter’s guides. All I could think of was, what if I don’t show up?
See my comment @85. On the plus side due to the projectile vomiting due to the horror of what I’ve been reduced to. I won’t gain weight this Thanksgiving.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:26 pmYup. Not what he promised, but perhaps the most appropriate course of action.
DoJ will know what to do because he already signaled it. They’re good people. We don’t want to hurt them.
That is not appropriate.
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:28 pm@Leviticus:Care to return the favor?
You didn’t actually say who you voted for. I’ll tell you what I said before the election: that I would vote for the ticket most likely to deprive Hillary Clinton of the electoral college votes in my state. I did that.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:29 pmSteve57,
I want a denunciation of Trump for calling Obama a very good man. Long, passionate, and repetitive.
Patterico (7e3f04) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:31 pmI guess Trump has himself all up in that pig, Patterico.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:37 pmMore seriously, Patterico, I despise all the hypocrisy. It’s everywhere now.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:37 pmTeh Savage Nation sez we’ve elected Jeb Bush.
Mutiny on teh Flouncy!
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:39 pm136 Patterico – I am not at all certain that there will be a war between Congressional conservatives and Trump … I do expect to see them working well together at the start, even as the major media do their level hardest to sow doubt, dissension, and despair about Trump …
I believe that most of the Congressional conservatives are smarter than to fall for that – and I *hope* that most of the commenters on here are also smarter than to fall for it …
As one who enjoys dangling verbal bait from time to time, I recognise when the media try it – especially since they are so clumsily obvious about it … (grin)
alastor (2e7f9f) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:41 pmAll of my “rants” have been against Trump playing Liberal, which in fact speaks directly to his policy suggestions up to this point, nearly 7 days into his position as President-Elect. Sorry if you don’t like the light I’m shining on Trump’s statements, but at no point have I personally attacked Trump.
sean (1d5074) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:43 pmWatch what he does, not what he says. I will give him a chance, see what he does or attempts to do during his first 6 months in office.
That is all…
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:43 pm@sean: Sorry if you don’t like the light I’m shining on Trump’s statements
Not what I asked you. I asked you, is Trump wrong, or right, to not say whether he intends a special prosecutor later.
We know what statement Trump made. You don’t need to shine a light on it. We’re all here talking about it.
If you think he’s wrong, I’m sure it’s only one of thousands of things you think he’s wrong about. If you think he’s right, be honest enough to say so.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:45 pmColonel Haiku #157 – from your keyboard to the eyes of this blog’s readers/commenters !
alastor (2e7f9f) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:45 pmMagnanimous in victory… bitterly manic in defeat.
Who’s that, Colonel?
Patterico (864030) — 11/14/2016 @ 12:32 pm
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Teh jury is still out.
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:46 pmit’s easy sometimes to forget how grateful we are to Mr. Trump
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:50 pmActually he asked that of another poster, but my point isn’t less valid. No one here is President-Elect, Trump is, and Trump made throwing Clinton in jail one of his big points in the election. How many times did he call Clinton Crooked? Do you believe all of Trump’s supporters think that was just for show? It’s not about what I think Trump should do, but rather what Trump said Trump would do. Will you not hold him accountable for what he said? Or did Trump voters get some some secret decoder ring to tell when Trump’s lying to Democrats and when he’s being serious?
Tell me, what if he comes out next week and softens on immigration? Will you tell us to calm down, it’s no big deal, he’s just playing a game? What if pre-existing conditions and 26 year old “kids” aren’t the only parts of Obamacare he wants to keep? Will you tell us again that was in the plan all along?
My point is, when does Trump’s words start to matter? Let me know, so I can properly register my objections.
sean (1d5074) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:51 pmProsecuting Clinton is the right thing to do. Period.
However, Trump rose to power as an outsider, not a politician, with an ability to talk straight, not be politically correct, take the fight to the left, and say what needs to be said. Now we have him either showing us he won’t prosecute Hillary, or it’s an example of Trump suddenly learning how to talk and act like the very thing he and his supporters railed against for the last year–a politician. Take you pick, but neither one is a good sign based on what he and his supporters promised.
sean (1d5074) — 11/14/2016 @ 1:56 pmThanks, alastor.
Out: Foaming at teh Mouth
In: Chillaxing
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:07 pmMichael Savage got played by the Emanuels and Axelrod after all.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:09 pmOut: Lord of teh Flies
In: The Kingdom of Speech
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:11 pmOut: MeAgain Kelly
In: Laura Ingraham
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:13 pmWhy would a congress investigate quiz shows? If a network wanted to hand out the questions ahead of time to a favored personality how is that the business of government? Wouldn’t it be akin to performance bonuses paid to pro athletes?
Always bugged me about that movie. Grand Juries insinuating themselves into a moral question best left to the viewer. I mean once it’s reported that the game is rigged you have the choice to watch the wrestling match or not.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:14 pm“You didn’t actually say who you voted for. ”
– Gabriel Hanna
I said who I didn’t vote for – Clinton or Trump. That’s the favor I was asking you to return. You don’t have to tell me who you voted for, obviously.
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:17 pmJust swallowed a bug…
oh.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:17 pmIt’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:18 pmThe Clintons have been flushed down the toilet.
And Barack is packing up and getting ready to move into his 9,000 square foot mansion, just like any other “man of the people” would do upon retiring.
169 he voted for Santa Cleeze, teh vato wit da bony knees
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:26 pmHillary Clinton received nearly $75,000 in political contributions from employees at the Department of Justice, the agency that would decide whether or not to act if the FBI recommended charges against Clinton or her aides following its investigation into her private email server.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/10/clinton-rakes-in-nearly-75000-from-justice-department-employees.html
You heard of Capone paying off the cops and judges in Chicago? With Clinton the cops and judges paid off Capone.
Strange thing.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:34 pmTrump, by comparison, has received little help from Justice Department employees, recording just two contributions for a total of $381.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:38 pmWhat I would like to see maybe is truymp appointing a special commission to look into the real reason Hillary Clinton set up taht e-mail server.
Merrick Garland Chairman.
With power to offer immunity and a subcommittee (the ones who are federal judges) having the ability to appoint a prosecutor.
Who could be against this?
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:43 pm149 DoJ will know what to do because he already signaled it. They’re good people. We don’t want to hurt them.
That is not appropriate.
If so, then all the campaign rhetoric about throw her in jail was even less appropriate. What exactly do you think he should do at this point?
James B. Shearer (667387) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:49 pmThe best part of watching a conman is watching when the kiss-off occurs.
SPQR (a3a747) — 11/14/2016 @ 2:54 pmThe Clintons are not good people. That pair has been involved in corruption for almost 40 years. And according to Wikileaks, they initiated Chelsea into their scams through skimming funds from their allegedly charitable organization to subsidize her lifestyle.
David (099e1f) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:08 pmHaven’t even attempted to scan through 177 posts in this thread.
Here’s what he’s going to do: if he’s going to squeeze out Comey, an explanation for no prosecution will come from the new AG, and the new AG will say that Comey’s public comments were so widely reported that it would be difficult to effectively mount a prosecution. Thus, its in the public’s interest to simply put the matter to rest, and allow her “punishment” to simply be that her conduct may have cost her the Presidency.
But, the second part of this calculation will not be announced — the AG will be allowed, based on his own judgment, to continue and maybe even turn up the heat some on the Foundation investigation. It might ultimately end up as a civil case for fraud, but I think that will be allowed to go on while the email investigation will remain closed.
Win win for all Trump constituencies.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:08 pm@98. Agreed. Typo my error.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:12 pmUmm,
Trump is not fantastic,
I might not be happy with a single thing he does as president
I expect you to have plenty of cannon fodder
I just don’t want to go deaf from the unceasing din.
I just thought Clinton was that bad and had to be kept out of the WH.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:14 pmTrump can always use as a personal excuse that he’s not a lawyer, he didn’t understand some of the legal complications that come along with recommending an independent prosecutor be appointed, and he’s leaving it to the judgment of his new AG whether or not there is a case that can be made on won given all the events that had transpired.
The new AG is going to be politically astute enough to understand “mission accomplished” when it comes to Hillary Clinton and the email server.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:14 pm@167- L.I. had her named floated for Press Secretary.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:16 pmUgh, too nasal.
urbanleftbehind (6eb88b) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:21 pmI want a denunciation of Trump for calling Obama a very good man. Long, passionate, and repetitive.
I want California stores to stop charging a dime for paper or plastic.
“All politics is local.” – Tip O’Neill
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:21 pmJust a hunch, but if Giuliani gets the AG nod, Obama will pardon Clinton. Bubba’s chums will likely back-channel through surrogates to press for it if Comey’s investigation lifts the right rocks before 1/20.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:27 pmWhat part of Trump’s campaign was not bluster?
Tillman (a95660) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:28 pmthe part where he beat that pig bloody
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:32 pm@187- It’s more fun to ponder the locale and contents of the “Donald J. Trump Presidential Library.”
_________
Trump Administration FCC Commissioner: Howard Stern, perhaps.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:33 pm#188 Trump was only able to win the election with the intervention of the ex Head of Russia’s KGB and our very own FBI Director. It looks like he will lose the popular vote too, so no mandate for the spoiled, rich, Frat Boy.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:42 pmIn a political game that doesn’t end until Jan 20th, 2017, I think Trump is doing fairly well for a non-politician. I noticed Trump wouldn’t reveal his military strategy against ISIS. Finally someone who gets it. I certainly wouldn’t want to put my combat boots back on and follow orders with the enemy knowing more than I know about the mission. I remember well the press meeting the special forces on the beach going into Iran to save the hostages under Carter. That didn’t end well. Trump would do well to “hide his hand” until he is president. Showing it too soon will let Obama sabotage his plans. Hopefully Trump’s plans will implemented to the satisfaction of most of us.
(Mission Accomplished. My neighbor’s kid – both Navy Vets – put that banner up on the Abraham Lincoln. Why? Because they had just done an unusual double tour in the Gulf and were coming back to home port. They used to attach a broom upside down on the mast to signal mission accomplished. Now they attach a banner “Mission Accomplished”. They had no idea Bush was going to land on the carrier that day. So the press made up the story about the banner being for Bush. The rest is history. Semper Fi.)
EldonH (e0559f) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:42 pmI just thought Clinton was that bad and had to be kept out of the WH.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:14 pm
According to the Wapo, we just wanted “extra-change” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/14/one-of-hillary-clintons-top-aides-nailed-exactly-why-she-lost/
the real problem for Hillary was that people knew her and watched her and knew she -and her phony praetorian guard along with her- was that bad. That’s what changed the calculation. That’s why Dems didn’t turn out for her.
That, and that voice.
SarahW (3164f0) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:50 pmTea for teh Tillman. Drink deep of the EPIC FAIL and total rejection of the liberal ideology. All across the USA.
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:51 pmRepublicans were rejected too, “Colonel” if that’s your real name.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:53 pmAll the watchers and anticipators will always have your fond memories of the #NeverTrump days to fall back on.
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:55 pmFewer Republican’s were rejected.
In Politics that’s called “Winning.”
Ask anytime.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:55 pmbut breitbart,
http://links.cfr.mkt5175.com/servlet/MailView?ms=NTI3NjQyMDES1&r=NTIzMzIzOTIzMDMS1&j=MTA0NTE3ODU1NQS2&mt=1&rt=0
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:56 pmYou keep telling yourself that, Sparky. If it helps you hold it all together.
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:56 pm@Tillman:Republicans were rejected too, “Colonel” if that’s your real name.
Rejected into their largest share of the Federal and state governments since the 1920s!
Yeah, drink that Kool-Aid all the way down. Your problems will be over before you know it.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:58 pmwithout further explanation,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/12/do-i-have-to-pay-for-election-related-trauma-counseling/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:58 pmWhat’s the point in calling O. out a a bad man, NOW. It might have been better to wait-and-see in the beginning vs. calling him good now – which is pro-forma conciliation.
He doesn’t have to expend the capital busting on Obama – his “goodness” or “badness” is mostly irrelevancy to anything Trump will actually do himself.
He can do what HE will do – it serves no purpose to antagonize folks who feel reflexively protective of him, at this point; it could get in the way. Smoothing, if not easing, transfer of power is the goal.
The time to set one’s cap at undermining Obama is over.
SarahW (3164f0) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:59 pmFair enough point Gabriel (199), but I was talking only about the presidential election. As I’m sure you all know Trump was enough to even make Patterico reject him and a lot of other republicans did too, so stop trying to play silly little games. That’s Trump’s job.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:04 pmWhatever gets you through the nights
Colonel Haiku (cc8f3a) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:06 pmIt’s all right, it’s all right
You’ve no money or a life
It’s all right, it’s all right
You’ll need a sword to cut through bullsh*t
Tillman, Tillman
Whatever gets you through your life
It’s all right, it’s all right
Get some sleep you look a fright
It’s all right, it’s all right
Just read a book don’t waste your time
Oh no, oh no
You had Obama, and he bent you over
Then he did you some harm
He said, “trust me, darlin’, come on, listen to me
Come on, listen to me; come on, listen, listen”
@Tillman: As I’m sure you all know Trump was enough to even make Patterico reject him and a lot of other republicans did too
Rejected right into the White House, in preference to the most qualified candidate of all time.
I’m not a fan of Trump, by any means, but there is just no way to spin this election as an affirmation of the Democratic Party, or a rejection of Republicans. Trump is not a real Republican, we all know that. The real Republican party got a resounding endorsement.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:06 pm@204. This election was a rejection of ideologues. They’re out. Pragmatism is in.
Even President Obama acknowledged in his presser today that Trump is a pragmatist, not an ideologue.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:12 pmsuper curious to see if Mitch Daniels is on deck for anything
for me it would be very uplifting to see that loser redeem himself
maybe for you too
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:13 pmit was probably a thread topic at the time,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/10/17/president-obama-to-republicans-i-won-deal-with-it/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:17 pmMy bad. I guess I am supposed to be your mother-in-law. Cataloguing every single one of your misdeeds in excruciating detail so I can dredge it up decades later and wag my finger at you. Had I known back in 2008 I would have taken better notes.
Again, my bad.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:21 pmWhen did we grow this close, Pat? Somehow I missed it.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:22 pmIt looks like he will lose the popular vote too, so no mandate for the spoiled, rich, Frat Boy.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/14/2016 @ 3:42 pm
Mandate ~~ sexist.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:25 pmwright’s influence, along with ayers, and khalidi, shaped his world view, which was strongly antiamerican and antiwestern,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:25 pmWait until they toss the three million illegal alien and repeater votes.
Either way. Hillary lost.
That’s right, Hill You lost.
And let me tell you what you didn’t win:
a twenty column set of the Encyclopedia International,
a case of Turtle Wax,
and a year’s supply of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco Treat. But that’s not all.
You also made yourself look like a jerk in front of millions of people.
You brought shame and disgrace to your family name for generations to come.
You don’t get to come back tomorrow.
You don’t even get a lousy copy of our home game.
You’re a complete and total loser!
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:34 pmafter brexit, this was a precursor,
http://babalublog.com/2016/11/14/colombias-santos-panics-with-trump-win-seeks-to-jam-farc-peace-deal-through-before-obama-leaves-office/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:34 pmchelsea lol
her husband has to be like fml
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:39 pmWhere Do The
ChildrenTillman Play?Well I think it’s fine, when teh Libs complain
Gotta cut some slack, they got half a brain.
Fun all Summer, Robot Hillary
You can’t always get what you want
Sometimes you can’t get anything.
They think they’ve come a long way,
They’re taking it day to day,
But tell me, where do teh Tillman play?
Well they roll on roads over fresh brown stuff
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/14/2016 @ 4:55 pmEven eat their fill, they can’t get enough
They don’t walk they mince, teh lisp don’t convince
They just go on and on, then repeat and rinse
Oh, they think they’ve come a long way,
They’re taking it day to day
But tell me, where do teh Tillman play?
The Donald has Landed.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 5:06 pmAnd again: What did you expect, Trumpcultists?
gwjd (032bef) — 11/14/2016 @ 5:16 pmWho was it that tried to promote the swill about the reason Obama returned the bust of Winston Churchill to GB? Here’s Obama in his own words… http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/732082/Trump-Churchill-statue-removed-White-House-Barack-Obama
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/14/2016 @ 5:50 pmsammeh will come around with a squirrel, on that point coronello,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 5:56 pmHere’s what I’ve observed, and here’s what you will do. When Trump (or as a conservative, anyone of your potential allies) does something you like, you will ignore it. No post, no comment, no credit.
When Trump (or anyone that is on your side and thus may reflect on you and your honor by possible relation) does something you don’t like, or more common, don’t understand, you will write a scathing post damning his character, honor, and his very existence lest anyone imagine his stank drifts onto you by an ill wind.
It’s who conservatives are, it’s what they do.
This is why you lose. Progressives never act that way. They press any advantage, and ignore everything else.
It’s obvious to me Trump is trying to unify the country, it’s a necessary and nobel goal that must be accomplished if we are to survive as a nation. He is trying to give Americans a better deal, and is applying the art. Yap at his heels like a freak’in lap dog all you want, but understand how most people react to yapping dogs biting at their heels. Mostly they repress the urge to punt them like a football.
For heavens sake, at least give the guy his first hundred days before you declare him a fraud! And try focusing on the things he gets right for a change! For the good of your own soul.
You’ll thank me later…
LBascom (74754c) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:09 pmI hope the rumors about Giuliani at State and Sessions as AG are true. They’re both quite capable of bayoneting the wounded and State and the DoJ have quite a few employees who would otherwise suffer needlessly.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:11 pmTillman,
Trump’s got a pen. And a phone. I bet you’ve got a safety pin.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:13 pmthat’s just crazy talk right,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-clare-lopez-adviser_us_582a2bede4b02d21bbca3e80
after all she’s a career operative in the company’s middle east division,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:16 pmThat Trump supporters did exactly the same thing Obama supporters did 8 years ago – projecting their own personal myth about the transformational presidency that lays ahead – is not surprising. It’s what people do, especially in romance, but also in politics and other matters. And I don’t see how one can blame Trump or Obama for this mindless infatuation, which both men so successfully exploited, but didn’t invent. No one can argue that Obama and Trump voters were not warned. They were just smitten.
As the Republican president, it is important that we understand him. Trump needs a teleprompter for a much different reason that Obama needs one. Obama needs one because his bigotries get blurted out when there is no script. For Trump, a teleprompter hides his moral/intellectual/political hollowness. For most of us Republicans, the problem is that despite the best efforts of Bannon and others, there won’t always be a teleprompter, so we better get used to regular foolish outbursts from our president. It is who the man is.
Given his hollowness, however, that Trump has chosen ideologues like Bannon and Gingrich as his backroom strategists seems very promising. On a personal level, one might dislike either or both of these men, but as hard-nosed political operatives go, they don’t come much better. And I think making Reince Priebus the face of the administration was a masterful touch (this has got to be an Ivanka inspiration). He’s the perfect gum flapper.
Finally, don’t forget that Trump doesn’t have to be very good to be enormously better than Clinton. The decent thing to do is give the man a good, long honeymoon. That’s what I’m doing.
ThOR (c9324e) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:24 pma profile, from a respectable source,
https://www.mayerbrown.com/files/News/a3b11eb6-b568-4b5f-91e4-37145776bc3c/Presentation/NewsAttachment/997fbf3f-a4a4-4e59-9a76-3798e6b796c9/National%20Journal%205-17-14.pdf
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:30 pm224… well said, Thor!!!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:35 pmNarciso, is Lopez one of” yours” or is she “by injection”, the educational background in her bio (NE Ohio, upstate NY) reads as Old School Rican. If she’s a Mex, I’ll live with it since it might be the only bone coming.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:36 pmThOr, your first paragraph was pretty condescending, it isn’t a matter of “infatuation”. I doubt any Trump supporters see him as a messiah the way Obama was portrayed. Mostly we’re just glad to have an America loving patriot in charge again.
Having said that, remember, Obama largely delivered on the transformative vision he promised, mostly because he was given full and unapoligetic support by the left. Just imagine what we could accomplish if we restrained ourselves from being our own worst enemies.
LBascom (74754c) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:37 pmNarciso,
It’s not confirmed yet but why do you think it’s crazy? Sessions has a very good list of who’s been naughty at the DoJ. The rumor is that Giuliani had his pick and State was it. His rationale isn’t apparent but he is just as qualified as his two immediate predecessors and tough and sharp enough to do some housecleaning. I don’t think he’ll get away with decimation by lottery but I’d like to see him try.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:37 pmI prefer bolton, personally, but guiliani swings a mean cutlass himself, he won’t be william rogers, another justice department apparatchik, who was put in as doorstop for kissinger,
I was speaking of the fields piece, on clare lopez,
https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/797997969664516096
you never go full vizzini,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:40 pm@7.So, for those of us trying to keep score here at home, Hillary has done the following within the last week:
1. Sent Podesta out to blame Comey for her loss.
2. Walked a dog while pondering how to blame it for her loss, too.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:48 pmso about that meme,
https://twitter.com/GaltSpeaking/status/798338603654877184
is this the best 300 million (dr. evil pinky) can come up with,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:53 pmNarciso,
Giuliani has the temperament and skill to conduct a full vendetta regarding the emails among coven members left as moles at State. He can request the IG/State to conduct a full investigation and forward all instances where violations of the Espionage Act occurred to Sessions for consideration for prosecution. The IG/State can toss in the Clinton Foundation bribes as they turn up and work through the little fish until boating the Great Blue Tuna becomes a fait accompli.
Who knows, a few (dozen) House members and Senators may wind up in the nets.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/14/2016 @ 6:59 pmI’ll be honest – and this is something that was pointed out to me by Trump fans – I’m infatuated with Cruz. Infatuation is part of it for all of us. Because neither Trump nor Obama had much of a track record, the natural inclination of infatuated supporters was to make up their own reasons for supporting the candidate. Cruz, by contrast, has a sufficient track record in the political sphere from which I drew my conclusions and imagined a Cruz presidency.
There is a truism about politics that politicians will always disappoint. Some people see this as a function of the lack of core principles of the pols, themselves. But I think it is also a function of our own tendency to view our political favorites through rose colored glasses.
I believe Obama is less popular than you imagine. I live in the Bay Area and most of my friends are very liberal. The fearless ones are willing to openly disparage Obama who they see as a war monger and a tool of big business, which is exactly how they view Mrs. Clinton and is hardly transformational. I say “fearless”, because any criticism of Obama, but especially criticisms from those on the left, are face with ringing accusations of racism. Some of these racists voted Trump. Others voted Stein. Almost none of them voted Hill.
ThOR (c9324e) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:00 pmHappy, check this out:
urbanleftbehind (6eb88b) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:04 pmtrending/2016/11/14/will-donald-trump-choose-mitt-romneys-niece-to-lead-the-rnc/#comment-3002548639
Re..http://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/14/will-donald-trump-choose-mitt-romneys-niece-to-lead-the-rnc/
urbanleftbehind (6eb88b) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:07 pmif it’s sessions or even gowdy as atty general, they will know to call for a special prosecutor, that’s how the system works,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:10 pmlook further down on the link, for the fall surprise,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:14 pmnonono we don’t need some perved-up hot-to-trot romneyfilth to do anything
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:27 pmthe consensus seem to be lewandowski, from these unnamed sources,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:28 pmlike esalen, but with their own jet,
http://nypost.com/2016/11/14/president-obama-embarks-on-his-final-foreign-trip/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:34 pmtalked to several pig-sniffers tonight what were impressed pretty favorably with the Mr. Trump they saw on 60 Minutes
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:42 pmMark Steyn for press secretary
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:44 pmPlease
It would be the best reality show evah
oh that would be wonderful, md, however too many reporters would be like the proverbial black knight, thinking his rapier cuts are ‘just a fleshwound’
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:51 pmsee the idiocy has oozed down under,
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/not-racist-not-misogynist/news-story/2be46fdcfc55f19b3a1c80800f848703
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:53 pmTrump, because he is abrasive, even to his own party (or at least he claims to be a member of the party), will either have to drain the swamp and lose regular republicans, or refill the swamp and be called on his lies. He’s painted himself into a corner. How dumb. He can’t win.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/14/2016 @ 7:57 pmgood allah, perry, regular republicans don’t care for the swamp,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:01 pmIt’s about negotiation.
Hard line, followed by fluff talk. It’s all about figuring the axis/nexus.
It’s like illegal immigration and starting by deporting criminals and puncturing sanctuary cities… today Trump alluded to the “rest of illegal aliens” being great people blah blah blah
steveg (5508fb) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:04 pmHard line over there, soft line over here. There is no win in deporting everyone… you go win, win, win, win and stop when you get to the unreachable, which is deporting grandma
friends don’t let friends takes the splc seriously,
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/798277764642205697
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:07 pmgood allah, perry, regular republicans don’t care for the swamp,
– narciso
Hahaha okay then
Leviticus (f3fc71) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:12 pmHad to read that twice and at 2x zoom to recognize the acronym, Narciso.
urbanleftbehind (6eb88b) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:12 pm#247 As if there wouldn’t be feathers ruffled if Trump tried to get rid of Ryan, McCain or a whole host of other republicans he’s been trashing.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:16 pmcould be the starbucks guy at the dnc,
A source with close connections in the RNC and the Trump camp told PJ Media that disgraced former campaign manger Corey Lewandowski was still the first choice for RNC chair among the Trump camp. “The Trump kids do not like Corey and do not want him at the White House,” the source told PJ Media. “But Trump likes him and wants to give him something,” and to keep him outside the White House, sources say Trump intends to name him RNC chairman.
ryan’s primary opponent, was clearly on trump’s wavelength, but they with a wink and a nod he was reeelected, maverick you would have to stake him, and even then he might make it another six years,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:18 pmYup.
STFU and say it would be inappropriate to comment on that.
WAAAAYYYYY too late for that though.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:27 pmyou found him humerous in the spring, how about now?
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/14/it-is-fed-up-john-olivers-trump-meltdown-made-chernobyl-look-like-childs-play-video/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:27 pmNot sure what the heck you’re talking about.
What I am saying is, lambasting ME for saying something about Obama before his presidency, when he had abused ZERO power, and giving Trump a pass for saying something even more flattering AFTER his presidency . . . is a rank double standard.
So if you’re going to let me have it, and give Trump a pass ON THIS ISSUE, I ignore you as a hypocrite on this issue.
If you want to not be a hypocrite, you’ll let Trump have it passionately, for saying Mr. Infanticide is a “very good man” — or you’ll STFU about me.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:30 pmTillman, you’re freaking out.
Take a deep breath and re-adjust your safety pin.
You don’t have to worry about which faction of Republicans gets angry at whom. Just sit back and enjoy the show.
You lost. He won.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:30 pm246 … He can’t win.
Seems like I have heard that before.
James B. Shearer (667387) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:31 pmbezos seems a professional trolling operation, I expect marcotte will move from slate,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/david-weigel/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_bannonrace-0642pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:32 pmFeel good story if the day: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/good-news-trump-will-re-install-churchill-bust-oval-office/
LBascom (74754c) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:40 pm*of* the day…
LBascom (74754c) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:41 pm#258 I predict that everyone who supported him will be sorry that he won in the end. He’s already knee deep in scandal and hasn’t even taken office. It will be a non-stop, embarrassing series of ridiculousness, I’m afraid.
Tillman (a95660) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:45 pmTillman, if you really oppose ridiculousness, then you wouldn’t have voted for that Barack guy.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/14/2016 @ 8:48 pmSorry? Hell no. I rejoice. The Myron Ebell pick for EPA alone causes my heart to leap for joy.
For so long we have been brow beaten by inferior minds claiming that co2, the stuff of life itself, is somehow a poison.
Finally those crooked sobs will be put out on their ears like what should have been done from the beginning.
Hallelujah. I might just live long enough to see Michael Mann get his just desserts.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:40 pmthat’s one way of loooking at it,
http://dcwhispers.com/trump-signals-fbi-clinton-foundation-investigation-just-job/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:49 pmit’s like there is no other news, but emanations and penumbras,
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264831/anti-bannon-hysteria-more-evidence-left-has-lost-david-horowitz
then again what can the left take pride in, obamacare enrollments, the budget deficit, the va catastrophe,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:54 pmask a rhetorical question,
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264834/steve-bannon-and-keith-ellison-do-democrats-really-robert-spencer
it’s like beauchamp, yelling russian bank, in the presence of john podesta, sherbank director,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:56 pmHilarious.
Maybe 5% because there were actual funny jokes about Trump
But 95% because leftist freakouts amuse me.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:58 pmOh, the racism! And the this! And the that!
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/14/2016 @ 9:58 pmPro tip. There is no such thing as a national popular vote when it comes to winning the presidency. You might as well argue about the number of heads of lettuce grown across the country. It just doesn’t matter.
If it mattered politicians like Trump would have run their campaigns as if it matters. If we were to run a past election under different rules of course the result might be different. But in 2016 the presidency is decided by how many electors each candidate gets. Not how many manatees each candidate swims with at Disney World.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:05 pmThe thing about that John Oliver piece, he spent ten minutes berating Americans for getting their news from social media, while overlooking the obvious superiority of that method to getting news from Limey clowns imported from Comedy Central.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:12 pmWell I expected kadurov to show his sense of humor.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:14 pmTrump was a democrat, and he was pals with the Clintons. He wasn’t going to go after them. No way.
And since James Comey dropped the investigation, there’s just no reason for him to rile up his haters any longer.
lee (55777a) — 11/14/2016 @ 10:58 pmEven SNL stuck a fork in Hillary.
She’s done. Only question remaining is how long till CBS pulls the plug on Tea Leoni?
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:10 pmAhh, I didn’t quite understand what you were driving at. OK, in addition to being a fraud who is being sued for violating the RICO act, a womanizer and serial adulterer, he is a complete s***heel for being pro-infanticide his entire adult life. I don’t know how passionately I can let Trump have it as after all these months of pointing out the only difference between the two NY Democratic party crooks on the ballot is one sold influence and the other bought it. That’s it. Yes, Hillary! also compromised national security with her rogue server. But neither one of them would have passed an SSBI. Doesn’t matter; one of them was going to be Preezy and the Preezy automatically gets a clearance with no background check.
Your demand for “passion” and your accusation of hypocrisy are misplaced. As I said in your instance @ 11/14/2016 @ 10:59 am, “I really wasn’t interested in revisiting this. But since you bring it up…” How can I be passionate about a bunch of crap I’m tired of dealing with? In your case, because you keep bringing it back up. Why don’t you just let it go? I would. I’m sick of it. But if you’re going to bring it back up and make it appear that Obama’s fault was “Obama’s offense of sitting in a church for years and listening to a pastor who occasionally showed his hatred for America.” Then despite the fact I didn’t want to in the first place I have to pipe up and say, “No, actually my problem with you preemptively calling Obama a ‘good man’ had to do with more than that.” If you’d stop bringing it up, I could shut up about it.
As far as Trump goes, how am I a hypocrite? I’d be a hypocrite if I called Trump a good man. But I’m in no danger of that. He’s s***bird. So of course he’s calling the Clintons “Good people.” While he was still officially a Democrat, effectively five minutes before he threw his hat into the GOP primary ring, he was praising the Clintons up and down. Now that he has won the election he’s praising the Clintons up and down.
You surprised and stunned me when you preemptively called Barack Obama a good man. None of this about der Donald and the Clintons surprises me. I predicted it. Any idiot not drinking the Kool-Aid could have predicted it. Like predicting the sun will rise in the east. Donald Trump is the worst man ever to run for President of these United States. To our eternal shame he wasn’t the worst human being on the ballot in 2016. Just the worst man.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:47 pmAre you really saying, Pat, that I’m a hypocrite unless I expect as little from you as I expect from Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Billy Jeff, Barack Obama, the whole crowd?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/14/2016 @ 11:57 pmIt was quite simple to follow your conscience, if that’s what one calls it, in a deep blue state: you know your vote will mean nothing. But, as I am sure you know, the election was a binary matter, either Trump or Clinton was going to win the thing.
So, I voted for Trump for the very reasons you mentioned in this post. The mendacity of both Mr. & Mrs. Clinton was a touch more bitter pill to swallow. And I have seen, up close and personal, the Clinton meat grinder at work. This is why I voted Trump: my vote may have actually amounted to something.
You understand Hillary for that which she is, I will not rattle off the particulars. And yet, I am in the mouth breathing, troglodytic basket of deplorable. These were Clinton’s words, but reading your posts, it seems you agree with her on that. So, you sleep the sleep of the angels, knowing you needn’t have a care in the manner in which you exercised your Franchise. Most of the rest of, well, we were not so lucky.
I’d like to ask you, Mr. Patterico, straight out: who, on moral and ethical grounds, was the preferable candidate, Trump or Clinton? Because that was the choice much of the country had to decide upon. Just as our Presidential choice was binary, so must too be the answer to the question I have posed to you.
So, who? Saying both were equally unsuitable and harmful to the interests of a Free Republic is, by the way, not an answer, it is a cop out.
Estarcarus (fda7c6) — 11/16/2016 @ 8:04 am