Open Thread: Armageddon Has Arrived
It’s Election Day. It’s time to finally choose between two dishonest, narcissistic, immoral leftists who favor amnesty, single-payer health care, and big government for everyone. Which candidate’s big government programs will be opposed by a Republican Congress who has caved to Donald Trump at every turn? Only the voters know for sure!
I have nothing more to say, really. Have your say below. May God save us all.
UPDATE: AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGHHHH!
UPDATE: AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGHHHH!
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/8/2016 @ 12:29 amI don’t have the right story for it, Patterico, but nk could probably find the appropriate Greek myth to describe our mess.
On the other hand, our culture has spent decades creating our weird society.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/8/2016 @ 12:47 amI refuse to vote for either Donald or Hillary. Consequences be damned, I will NOT endorse either of those two.
It is so sad to me to see so many people insist that they ‘Must’ vote for ‘The lesser of two evils’.
Personally, I think it is impossible to distinguish which is worse than the other. I have always voted FOR someone. I will not vote for a candidate simply because I hate the other, especially since I hate them both.
God help us, but we must purge the Conservative movement of the racist, reactionary, Trumptards that all of us, I too, have accommodated for far too long, just as long as they voted for a fairly sane candidate.
The imps are loose, and they have shown their true colors. Frankly, we have known those colors all along, and have looked away. And now they have turned, as was inevitable, and they have bitten us severely.
No more appeasement of them. They have to go.
Dennis Carlson (a91693) — 11/8/2016 @ 12:47 amI here all this talk about popular vote and tell everyone that in a popular vote the mob rules. I thing the electoral college needs to be changed where a person’s vote and getting out the vote effects have more meaning. No state should have winner take all. I feel that if electorates were divided out on which candidate one that electorate we would have a better chance at getting third party people in by getting them more electorates.
Andrew (d0c7fc) — 11/8/2016 @ 1:05 amIt’s time to finally choose between two dishonest, narcissistic, immoral leftists who favor amnesty, single-payer health care, and big government for everyone.
It’s ‘Dallas’ or ‘Maude’.
The feminist or the chauvinist.
Choose!
Because Americans don’t want to be governed. They wish to be entertained.
“You wanna carry on mama’s legacy? Well, I wanna carry on daddy’s.” – JR Ewing [Larry Hagman] ‘Dallas’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 2:54 amDid you mean to name Barack Obama in the first paragraph?
DavidD (da856e) — 11/8/2016 @ 2:56 amDue to a series of bad decisions on my part, I’ll be working as a Machine Operator at a nearby precinct today.
CayleyGraph (353727) — 11/8/2016 @ 3:04 amI’m pretty sure I’ll have the fortitude to keep myself from adding “… and may God have mercy on your soul” to every voter, at least for the first half of the day.
today’s the day we get to vanquish a stinky stinky stenchpig all on the same day
she’s a criminal and a nasty polyp
please God please to smile on our pig-beating adventure today amen
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/8/2016 @ 3:39 amIt’s already been mentioned, Simon. From the Odyssey, between Skyla* and Charybdis.
Armageddon in my car and driving to vote, anyway.
*Yes, it is correct.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:03 amHaven’t been here in months. Thought I’d check in on the last day. I see that the breastbeating self-important narcissism of the local #NEVERTRUMP crowd has only intensified.
Nothing in this country, NOTHING is going to change from the top (politics) down. If you are so impassioned, if you think so much of yourself and your personal righteousness and are truly concerned that God or karma or who/whatever is going to hold you accountable for one stinking vote, if you truly believe things need to change, get out in the communities that are struggling and show them the way. Don’t beat people down with your righteousness, lift them up by evangelizing the ideas that make this country great. Show people what to do, not what not to do.
I shall now pause for righteous abuse.
WTP (094b61) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:36 amBut we’ve made you care what we think, WTP.
I don’t know about Patterico, but I consider that an achievement. I work here is done.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 6:07 amIt took 15 months to check 56,000 of Hillary Clinton’s emails, but they managed to check 650,000 in eight days.
Let your gullibility be your guide.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/8/2016 @ 6:08 amBut at the end of the day, the American people should just choose the lesser evil among the two horrible candidates. I believe Hillary is the lesser evil. But still, I fear for USA’s future.
Cynthia (004be1) — 11/8/2016 @ 6:29 amOr know how to use a computer
Kishnevi (857e3e) — 11/8/2016 @ 6:32 amhttp://blog.erratasec.com/2016/11/yes-fbi-can-review-650000-emails-in-8.html#.WCHhA-hOlpU
That link btw came via Borepatch, who is a long term anti-Clintonite
“t took 15 months to check 56,000 of Hillary Clinton’s emails, but they managed to check 650,000 in eight days.”
I’m not saying this isn’t a white-wash, but the 56,000 email were printed instead of being delivered electronically. Hard to do a quick electronic search on paper (which is why they were printed).
mark (ca18be) — 11/8/2016 @ 6:38 amThat’s the plan. Weird that you missed it. I wrote a whole big long post about exactly that just yesterday.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:02 amhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/05/david_brooks_less_educated_will_vote_for_trump_no_matter_what_just_going_with_their_gene_pool.html
Will vote to stop Clinton just to shut this smug punk up. I’ll gladly put my genetic intelligence up against his. Pompous arse.
NJRob (a07d2e) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:04 amNo.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:04 amYou’re so interesting! Always coming up with new things to say!
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:05 amI just added a word to the spam filter that I am tired of reading again and again and again.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:06 ampig
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:14 amoh thank lutheran jesus
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:14 amWell Mr happyfeet, I hope Mr Trump doesn’t share the fate of Robert Baratheon.
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:16 am#17 NJRob,
David Brooks enjoys being invited to the cool cocktail parties. He would never have said that Barack’s voters “were voting for their gene pool.”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:20 amIt’s the Honey Badger versus the Snooty PTA Lady.
Lord help us.
My only consolation is that we have mandatory elections every four years. Tocqueville said that was the key genius of our system: We know our candidates will wreck things, so we vote for the one that we feel will wreck it the least.
Patricia (5fc097) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:27 amThe deed is done. Dressed all in blue, got behind the lines and voted.
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:32 amMr. Trump’s gonna win i can feel it Mr. Pin
it’s a dark day for the stenchpig
a dark day for her corrupt fbi pooftertrash too
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:36 amRegardless of who wins, Obama will pardon the stenchpig.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:40 amPlease America, just say ‘No!’ to the Clintons.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:40 amCan he pardon her for future crimes?
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:40 amLet’s make America great again.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:41 amOr at least make it less bad than illary wants to make it.
An aside to shipwreckedcrew and any one else,
while I agree that the issue of breaking security procedures is a big deal with the Clinton email thing,
in my mind it is de facto corrupt to have a hidden communications system to go around Congressinal oversight and FOIA,
is the set up by itself “against the law” but for which there is no “crime”, just reason for discipline by your boss in the bureaucracy?
and wouldn’t destruction of files be a “crime”, but again perhaps only covered by admin procedures, not criminal prosecution?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:55 amIf the reports about record Hispanic turnout are true, then it could very well be that the very first thing he said as a candidate will be the very thing that dooms his bid for the White House.
Icy (7ba0ea) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:10 amTurnout is heavy in Nevada. It looks like Trump has energized the base, just the wrong base.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:15 am32… wouldn’t that qualify as spoliation of evidence?!?!
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:18 amThat’s the plan. Weird that you missed it. I wrote a whole big long post about exactly that just yesterday.
Not weird, as I said stopped stopping by a couple months ago. It was getting quite tiresome. But now having read your link, I’m still not clear. While I agree that “the key principles…are liberty, the free market, and the Constitution”, I’m curious as to the approach to communicating this. Education is one thing. Advertising and such can go some distance, but what (I think) is important is getting into the communities personally and showing those struggling, not by rhetoric nor argument, but by actively getting involved in helping them, leading them to see in their own lives how these principles benefit not only society, but themselves. I think respect for and understanding of the Constitution can only come from people being able to see where/how it improves their lives. Preaching the Free Market without first providing a fundamental understanding of how economics works regardless of a respect for a free market, is not likely to lead to success. Similar with liberty, of which a free market is but a subset.
WTP (094b61) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:21 amVoted at 9:45 a.m. at my local precinct poll. My precinct is majority Latino. There was no line at all when I arrived, nor when I left. Beyond the limit-marker sign, there were campaign signs for lots of down-ballot candidates of both parties, but I saw no signs at all for Clinton-Kaine, and one lonely “Latinos for Trump” sign whose provenance I wonder about, but it hadn’t been disturbed.
It will be interesting to compare Trump’s results in Texas to, say, Gov. Greg Abbott’s results two years ago, in which he did surprisingly well among Latinos, winning a majority of Latino males in his race against the then-Democratic national heart-throb Wendy Davis and an astonishing 59.3% of the overall vote. But I suspect Texas will nevertheless still be one of the rare red states that gets called early for Trump. (I still think that might not have been the case had Clinton picked San Antonio’s Julian Castro as her veep nominee instead of safe, whitebread Tim Kaine, but she needed to lock down VA and calm the folks in her own camp who found themselves hungry for safe whitebread on the side of the plate this year.)
FWIW, I voted a straight GOP ticket, except that I (a) deselected Trump/Pence and wrote in Evan McMullin, and (b) voted for one incumbent Democrat on the state civil district court bench whom I believe, based on extensive personal experience in his court, to be particularly more qualified than his GOP opponent. I’d have written in Ted Cruz if that would have been registered or recorded at all, but it would have been ignored altogether: Under Texas law (as in many other states), write-in votes are only counted if they correspond to a candidate who’s timely filed the required declarations & signatures and paid the required fees to the SecState.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:28 am@ MD in Philly: Please don’t make the mistake of giving any credit whatsoever to anything that Jim Comey has said about the availability of federal criminal statutes to precisely cover all of Clinton’s conduct, including destruction of evidence. The laws are adequate and more than adequate. When the FBI and the DoJ insist on ignoring the evidence in front of their faces, and insist on re-characterizing the laws to pretend that they include elements which they don’t, their incompetence, corruption, and/or treachery is the complete and sufficient explanation for Hillary remaining unindicted. We don’t need new criminal laws, but we damned sure need a new culture from top to bottom of the DoJ and the FBI. They are indeed weasels.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:33 amMy gf and I just got back from voting. I asked her: why HRC? She said because pantsuits, and also because she wants the Supreme Court to bring an end to trickle-down economics. This is what womens’ suffrage hath wrought.
gp (0c542c) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:38 amThe FBI is not going to undo Hillary any more than Obama’s birth certificate would have done, had it indeed been Kenyan. I’m afraid it’s up to the voters, who may be giving up far more than they know.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:40 amBig crowd at the polling place. We got on the elevator with three black people. One said he was voting for Trump; don’t know if he was joking. I wanted to say “But don’t you know that HRC is a BLM ally and wants to stamp out inherent bias, systemic racism and white privilege?” But I filtered.
gp (0c542c) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:48 am“we must purge the Conservative movement of the racist, reactionary, Trumptards” Hey didn’t I read your column at Salon yesterday? Thanks for the concern, Democrat.
gp (0c542c) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:50 amEvan McMullin for President.
Mark Kirk for Senate.
Christopher Pfannkuche for State’s Attorney.
Mariyanna Spyropoulos for Water Reclamation Commissioner.
At about 9:50, mine was the 300th ballot in my precinct according to the machine; reasonable flow, no lines waiting to vote. A lady was there with a little boy who was wearing a t-shirt that said, in big letters, NOBODY FOR PRESIDENT.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:50 amthere is no such thing as Evan McMullin
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:55 am“wouldn’t that qualify as spoliation of evidence?!?!” Yes, if you or I did it. It’s OK if you’re ruling class.
gp (0c542c) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:56 amI’ve no doubt Evan McMullin is a nice competent guy. But CIA/investment banker: he’s a vote for enthusiastic continuation of the status quo, isn’t he?
gp (0c542c) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:59 amI’ll have to disagree with Beldar with this particular caveat — what Comey did was a well-established and long-standing principle referred to as the exercise of “prosecutorial discretion”. Yes, the conduct as established through the investigation was in violation of laws on the books. But, for a variety of reasons having to do with public policy and the use of scarce resources, a prosecution of the crime is not going to be pursued. The hope is that the person identified as the perpetrator will be sufficiently chastised to not continue with the activity, as opposed to being emboldened.
The problem with this explanation is that Comey isn’t a prosecutor (now), so it wasn’t his call to make.
However, IMO he felt that by meeting with Clinton in his plane, Lynch so compromised herself that any decision on the subject announced by her would not have been accepted. Only Comey had he credibility to make that call publicly, recognizing that one side or the other was going to scream from the roof tops no matter which way he went.
He put Clinton’s conduct on public display, and left it to the “court of public opinion” to render a judgment.
You get the government you vote for.
Right or wrong — and I think he was wrong — I think that was his thought process, and his decision does not suggest corruption.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:59 amDid my civic duty. Joy.
No lines at least. Got to grab a book from my library.
NJRob (7a7e3e) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:01 amIt’s actually a specific crime, 18 USC Section 1519, carrying up to 20 years in the pokey. One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish. You can throw undersized fish back into the sea to hide them from the game warden, but you cannot destroy records to hide them from a federal investigation.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:01 am43. Thanks for the Pfannkuche vote, nk. If I were a more unscrupulous sort, I would have led a Avenge Anita (Alvarez) movement, but alas I am a Fake County resident.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:01 am@shipwreckedcrew:You get the government you vote for.
Right or wrong — and I think he was wrong — I think that was his thought process, and his decision does not suggest corruption.
I think trusting the FBI to be the Guardians of the Republic ala Turkey under Ataturk is a cure worse than the disease. If, knowing what they know, the electorate chooses Hillary, then it means that Hillary is a symptom and not the disease itself. It won’t be fixed by deus ex machina.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:02 am44. Have Evan McMullin and Reince Preibus ever been seen in the same room together? The former seems to be a fully bald version of the latter.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:02 amI recommend Death In A Bowl by Raoul Whitfield, NJRob, if only for the dedication.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:04 amIcy,
He’s been a conman for his entire life. His choice of rube bait really can’t be faulted, given the sucker catch which followed. It’s not as if winning the general was a goal for him at any point. The wall nonsense didn’t move his disapproval rating a millimeter, the only thing which has moved it in the entire farce is stopping his twitter idiocy, which coincided with the final closure among registered Republicans so stopping may not have been causal.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:04 amFights and naked protests already at polling places (gatewaypundit, as always).
Savage comments on blogs (not this one, thank goodness).
Our long national nightmare is only beginning.
Patricia (5fc097) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:05 amPresident Trump is what you should get everyone you love for christmas this year
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:22 am“You can throw undersized fish back into the sea to hide them from the game warden, but you cannot destroy records to hide them from a federal investigation.”
– nk
Well, that’s because a fish is not a “tangible object.” See? Simple!
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:33 amNed Stark defeated said stinky Razorback but then ended up on the wall with the “fake” W mask.
The lesson Ted Stark Cruz needs to take away is: The South Remembers.
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:37 amGinsburg called that a “moderate interpretation of ‘tangible object.'” Thought that was pretty ballsy, albeit completely absurd.
Leviticus (efada1) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:37 am@19- Did Ted jump back in?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:38 am@30 AZ Bob
Obama has a Carte Blanche and a pen.
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:41 am“The Texas Democrats have been nearly wandering in the desert forever. It’s not a matter of left or right. There are a lot of liberal pussies in Austin. I don’t think people like Sam Rayburn, Barbara Jordan, hell, probably even Ann Richards, that whole bunch … I don’t think they’d recognize it [the Democratic Party].
It’s a matter of, all they do is spend their time calling people racists. In doing so, they create a lot of racists…
If you look at the great ones, Mother Teresa, Winston Churchill, FDR, they were all aristocratic freaks with very little interest in others. They’re very much like Trump. I mean, particularly Churchill. He was a polo player in India and an adult butterfly collector. They liked to hang out at the country club, Rachel. They were very privileged people.
When they got into office, Churchill and FDR, they did something that Obama was never able to do: change. The agent of change, Obama, could not change himself. He remained a fixed point in a changing world. It’s just too bad; it’s who he is. He’s not the smartest guy in the room. He may be the glibbest. He may be the most facile. I believe, if he’s concerned about a legacy, I believe he can pretty well forget that.
All I’m saying is, we don’t know who the hero is until the ship sinks. Or when the plane is crashing. You don’t know who’s going to run back and save somebody, or who’s going to dress up like a woman so he can hide in a lifeboat.”
— Kinky Friedman
Colonel Haiku (a7e08c) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:41 am@61- Reagan 101: Never give a president a credit card and a pen.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:43 am““wouldn’t that qualify as spoliation of evidence?!?!” Yes, if you or I did it. It’s OK if you’re ruling class.”
gp (0c542c) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:56 am
Hey, I’m no lawyer, but I have slept in a Holiday Inn!
Colonel Haiku (a7e08c) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:45 am@ shipwreckedcrew, re Director Comey: Yours is the best sort of defense that can be made for him, and it might, at best, justify him getting to keep most of his pension.
From start to finish, this was never treated in the regular course. It was the reality-TV version of an investigation, and it was a preordained result, albeit not by a pre-ordainable path. I have written before of Comey, and maintain, that regardless of his past exemplary service, in this entire matter he has screwed the pooch from the front end and the back end, in an intellectually incoherent way. However smart or ethical he may have been in the rest of his life and however good guy he may be, on this epically crucial occasion when he was expected to act like a pillar of integrity and absolutely, stainlessly, blindfolded-justice law enforcement official, he acted like a clown. I’ll credit him for believing himself to be uncorrupted, but that’s because on this occasion, he has been too stupid to perceive how corrupted his choices have been by the people (from Obama down through at least Lynch and the DoJ, and likely beyond into FBI) who are indeed actively complicit in the fix.
He’s not the triggerman. He didn’t know the caper would go down this way, didn’t intend for it to. But he was essential to its execution, his team’s performance of its legal duty was utterly corrupted, and the results were pathetic. If the Clintons are committing (metaphorically) a political murder, Comey may have lacked specific intent but he’s still guilty under the felony murder rule. The victim, of course, is the Rule of Law.
Maybe he was doing his best, but if so, he never should have been in that position. This was an epic fail, and I don’t accept that it can be excused even as good-natured incompetence. He knew he was making this stuff up as he went, he knew he’d abandoned all normal practice, he knew the targets were getting special treatment. He didn’t have to have a specific intent to swing the election or obstruct justice to become a weasel, in my opinion.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:46 amIf you get a presidential pardon can you auction off the hard copy like Harry Reid’s Limbaugh Letter?
Or would Hillary put it in Charlotte’s baby book?
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:48 am“I think that was his thought process, and his decision does not suggest corruption.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/8/2016 @ 8:59 am”
Thank you for the chaser to mellow the bitter, stinging, and YUUUGE goblet of hypocrisy I am about to chug down.
Matador (051e87) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:52 amTo me, the important fact is that a President is a member of a party, and that party will provide the most likely pool of appointees. For that reason, I vote for Trump. It is a gamble, but it is one I feel compelled to take.
John Moore (508b53) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:57 am44.there is no such thing as Evan McMullin
Isn’t that served at Salt Lake City McDonald’s locales from eight to noon?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 9:58 amAnd specifically re Comey catching the lateral from Lynch: He ought have batted that ball to the ground and pointed her to § 600.1 Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel:
The shortest version of my criticism of Comey is this: When he started making up rules as he went, he no longer could distinguish what was or wasn’t breaking the law. He wasn’t corrupt in his purpose, but because he’d been subverted from due process, he had indeed been corrupted, and that accounts for the disastrous and comical results.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/8/2016 @ 10:00 amDoes anyone recall the last time Maudie was imaged wearing a dress?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 10:00 am69…with a decaf? And will Adam Sandler go into a rage if the menu flips before he gets to order?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/8/2016 @ 10:05 amMaudie at the polls: “It’s humbling to vote for myself.”
Ugh.
“Mimi, you funny little good for nothing, Mimi…” — Maurice Chevallier ‘Mimi’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 10:13 amThanks all,
My question/point was more along the issue of the narrative wars,
it could appear that the coverage and discussion in the press focused on whether she handle classified material improperly,
Rather than
The whole arrangement should have drawn condemnation and severe consequences even if not a scrap of classified information was mishandled,
True?
What public official gets to do a whole sale end run against accountability regs?
I know there is a Latin legal term that translates (into the vernacular) “that is obviously guilty, what’s wrong with you?!?!?”
That is what looks like should apply to me,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/8/2016 @ 10:53 amso I was wondering, for example, if the only penalty for disregarding FOIA was whatever would be imposed as contempt of court for not complying,
Or something.
I’m a bit surprised
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/8/2016 @ 10:57 amAnd even more disappointed
That we did not have more condemning revelations from WikiLeaks or FBI agents taking one for the country and all that is decent come out in the last 24 hours.
Armageddon? Personally I was hoping for Ragnarok. But since the ’90’s I’ve been steeling myself to face disappointment.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:04 amIs Jill Stein an alternative for low information white college educate women voters????
A very small sample size — 2 — but I just talked with two neighbors, both college educated women in their 40s, who voted for Jill Stein. I live in an area that is slightly affluent, very educated, and significantly “haole” compared to most areas of my state. They both voted for Jill Stein, when they both would have fit the profile of a Hillary voter. We didn’t discuss politics in any detail, but they both expressed a disdain for both major party candidates.
Is this the equivalent of a McMullin vote?? Might this be replicated nationally — low information educated female voters pull the lever for the Green Party candidate who is also a woman??
One drives an expensive Volvo, with a Prius in the garage, and the other drives a Tesla with a MiniCooper in the garage. LOL.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:25 am“The whole arrangement should have drawn condemnation and severe consequences” Specifically: she should lose her security clearance for life.
gp (0c542c) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:37 am@76- He can be a bit of a drama queen but it’s his day to crow– or squawk, depending on your POV.
GWTW is a good read. A California Voters Guide… no so much.
“Read, brother. Read!” – Jack Gilford, 1960’s Public Service Announcement
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:38 amMD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/8/2016 @ 10:57 am
You have a better chance of seeing God.
Matador (051e87) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:40 amBeldar — I agree 100% about the nature of the investigation. I’m really only defending how he handled the end-game, and his lack of genuinely good options.
The investigation itself was a disgrace, and that’s where the unhappiness inside the Bureau originates — it was a farce. No grand jury subpoena power, no search warrants to gather evidence, allowing the targets to dictate the terms of the interviews, etc.
All ridiculous.
But in just about every instance, he didn’t control those decisions. DOJ refused to open a formal criminal investigation by going to a GJ. That requires issuance of a GJ number — and that number becomes the basis of authority for every single subpoena that is issued.
DOJ cut the immunity deals with various individuals which were not necessary, and which provided an impediment on bringing any charges against anyone.
Seeking search warrants requires committing to writing, in the form of an affidavit under oath, all the facts that point to criminality — you get a warrant to gather evidence of a crime that has been committed. You have to specify in the affidavit what crime is suspected, who is suspected of having committed that crime, and why the place to be searched/items to be seized are relevant to that investigation.
DOJ refused to supply any “imprimatur” to the episode that would suggest anyone inside DOJ thought there was a crime there. That alone would have probably been fatal to Clinton in her race for the nomination.
Frankly, I think the earliest signal that Comey had had enough was when he finally pushed back against Clinton’s public claims that what the FBI was doing was a “Security Review”, when he said “the FBI doesn’t do Security Reviews, it investigates criminal activity.” That right there was a shot across the bow.
But, what he knew in July was that he had 2 options — 1) do what he did where he broke protocol but likely did no significant lasting harm by putting out his own views, or 2) submit a referral for prosecution to DOJ, and watch as nothing happened. There is no way on God’s Earth that DOJ would have taken up the referral and begun presenting evidence to a GJ before the election. They would have sat on it, waited for the election to be over, then round-filed it. Without the controversy, Clinton would have sailed to victory 60-40.
The 3rd option would have been to refer the matter for prosecution, and then publicly reveal that he had done so. IMO, which I think he likely shared, that would have driven us into “Banana Republic” territory.
What I think will be fascinating now is what Comey does if she is elected.
Louis Freeh remained as FBI Director for his entire 10 year term even though Bill Clinton wanted him fired for about the final 6 years of his two terms. But Freeh remained specifically so that he would be an institutional check on the Clinton WH.
I think Comey is likely to do the same thing — he’s got 6 years left to run on his term. I think he will stay in place at least through the 2020 general election if Clinton wins.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:42 amAh, yes, the old “I’ll do my part to get the criminal off, so I can be an institutional check on her” trick.
Got it.
Matador (051e87) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:46 amTo Mark, above
A modern OCR (Optical Character Recognition) can scan 50 pages per minute. Clinton’s little trick of printing out the pages, while a dick move, was essentially pointless, it’s a move from the 1990s. It didn’t stop things for more than a week even at government speeds.
Ingot9455 (e5bf64) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:46 amSWC-
My son the Philly detective who did “undercover” surveillance of the Dem convention had praise for Stein and her crowd,
They purposefully disrupted the disruptors.
When it looked like a critical mass of anarchist types were gathering they would infiltrate en masse and the hippie vibe quieted things down.
He didn’t like their politics and thought they were pretty naive in the big picture,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:48 amBut they were good neighbors and a help to crowd control.
FWIW
Let me clarify,
My thinking out loud above was not so much about what Comey and the FBI didn’t or couldn’t do,
but how the anti-Clinton crowd handled the public debate.
They/we should never have depended on FBI findings,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/8/2016 @ 11:58 amIsn’t just the existence of her off-grid system enough to sink her, if it was pressed?
Wasn’t there a high EPA official or someone who resigned/was canned in the early years of O for using off-grid email?
nk
I recognized Mark Kirk’s name but I think you made up the other three.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 11/8/2016 @ 1:00 pmPinandpuller, Senator Kirk once stole a parking space from nk at Sam’s Club.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/8/2016 @ 1:09 pmAs a result, nk would vote for Jeremiah Wright for Senate if doing so would hurt Kirk.
Of course, if Kirk is no longer in the Senate, then he might have more time to steal parking spaces at Sam’s Club, at Jewel, at Home Depot, etc. (LOL)
They’re likely quixotic R candidates deep in the Bowels of Cook County. Pfannkouche should have appealed on the down low to Anita Alvarez supporters (Alvarez was beaten for CC states attorney by a rabble rousing Mosby of Baltimore clone, Kim Foxx in the March Dem primary).
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/8/2016 @ 1:18 pmIf there is “mammoth” hispanic turnout in CA, does it make Harris sweat a little, since they may be inclined to go “Raza” with Loretta Sanchez. Not enough to win, but push to around 55-45?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/8/2016 @ 1:19 pmClinton: +PA
Trump: +AZ, GA, IA, NC, OH
Showdown in CO, FL, MI, NV
Colonel Haiku (a7e08c) — 11/8/2016 @ 1:23 pmWhy are people writing in the janitor from The Simpsons? He’s not a natural born citizen and the show is only like 25 years old.
Pinandpuller (16b0b5) — 11/8/2016 @ 2:37 pmBest candidate money cab buy?
“Related: Poll: 68 percent of Saudis prefer Hillary Clinton”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/248681/
Colonel Haiku (a7e08c) — 11/8/2016 @ 2:58 pmSo he’d likely at least be 55 years old, if we assume he was a 30 year old adult in 1990.
urbanleftbehind (dc4bba) — 11/8/2016 @ 2:58 pmCruz Supporter’s real name is Norbert. He is an idiot.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 3:34 pmI’m afraid to turn on the TV. Can I just ignore everything for 4 years?
Patricia (5fc097) — 11/8/2016 @ 3:44 pmYes,
No matter what happens,
It will be hold your breath and wonder what is next.
God is still on the throne, though, as puzzling though things may be.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/8/2016 @ 3:51 pmyes, ultimately that is so,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/8/2016 @ 3:52 pmVery, very, bad demographic news in the exit polling for Trump. Nationally, fewer whites voting. And, of these, he has about 5% less support than did Romney.
Miami? 8% increase in voters this year.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 3:53 pmAnd there it is…massive hint from Chris Wallace that DJT is not getting the needed wave. Georgia in play.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 3:59 pmWell, I just got back from voting. At 6:30 there was no waiting, but that’s just before the after-work rush, and then the last-minute rush (polls close at 9). And I was voter #646 in my electoral district, which since NY’s EDs have approximately 1000 voters each means that turnout by 6:30 had already been 65%. Since this is a heavily D area, that doesn’t bode well. It would indicate that D voters are not staying home.
I voted a straight Conservative Party ticket except for president, for which I supported Johnson (McMullin was not on the ballot). The Rs hadn’t even bothered running anyone against Yvette Clarke or against my state senator; only the Cs offered an candidate for every office.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:00 pmExit polling should be made illegal. Wait … least restrictive means. Reporting it before all the polls have closed across the country should be made illegal.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:01 pmDon’t be stupider than you have to be. No matter what happens tonight she will never need a security clearance again.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:17 pmAnother very bad number for DJT: 56% of electorate were/are women.
He is done.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:19 pmOn what grounds?
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:21 pmI’ve got a massive hint for Chris Wallace….
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It unduly influences voting.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:24 pmDiscourages people from going out to vote if they’re told that the election has already been decided.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:25 pmPromotes ballot box stuffing.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:25 pmI would agree. I think they should suspend all forms of polling by Thursday night prior to election day.
urbanleftbehind (a9ef6b) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:25 pmIt is also racist, ageist, misogynistic, xenophobic and homophobic. (I know, but saying that will get 25% of the population to support outlawing it.)
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:28 pmIs Wallace w/Rove… still waiting for Ohio to come in for Romney?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:36 pmExit polling is not scientific by any means. Remember when John Kerry won Ohio?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:39 pmFewer whites voting. HRC running ahead of BHO’s proportion of these. More women voting.
DJT can not overcome this.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:46 pm“Exit polling should be made illegal”
Finally! nk and I agree on something!
See, Trump is going to win and already we are coming together.
LBascom (77a37c) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:49 pmSC called Trump (Fox)
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:50 pm538 now saying that if Young wins in Indiana, as expected now, the GOP has a 68% chance of holding the Senate. I don’t get it, but I’ll take it. They must be fairly confident on Ayotte. What else do they now think which is a change from everything they’ve published until now?
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:51 pmOn what grounds?
The same ones they use to say someone can’t grow wheat.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:52 pm538 now saying that if Young wins in Indiana, as expected now, the GOP has a 68% chance of holding the Senate. I don’t get it, but I’ll take it. They must be fairly confident on Ayotte. What else do they now think which is a change from everything they’ve published until now?
I would guess that their statistics/trends are coupled across state lines. OH influences Western PA, for example. Some connections may be more subtle.
We’re checking out that cat in the box bit by bit.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:54 pmThe Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.
Art. I, Section 4
On second thought, it might be more constitutional to keep exit pollsters away from polling places than to keep the media from reporting the surveys.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:58 pmEd from SFV, okay, you think it’s over … go read a book, then. (LOL)
By the way, whites aren’t necessarily staying home, it’s just that whites constitute a smaller percentage of the population every four years.
There were a number of us who believe that certainly Rubio or Jindal and to a lesser degree Cruz might have been able to bring in some much needed non-white voters today.
And that’s necessary due to evolving demographics.
But exit-polling isn’t always dependable — just ask former President John Kerry!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:58 pmLuntz confident HRC won and the Dems take the Senate.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:59 pmMy vote for Kirk was less for his (R) and more because Hillary will be President. Others may also want a Republican Congress to oppose a harridan nobody really likes.
nk (dbc370) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:01 pmIndiana is correlated with Missouri, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Iowa has a stronger correlation with Wisconsin and Missouri but it’s not reporting as yet.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:01 pmCS – It was almost inevitable that there would be proportionally fewer voters this time. DJT’s fundamental job was to limit the erosion. The problem is more women showed up, giving her a greater percentage of white voters.
To offset, DJT had to improve significantly in AA and Hispanics. There is no shred of evidence that he did.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:02 pmDuckworth projected winner.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:04 pmDecision Desk says HRC doing very well in her bastions in NC. Big hint she will win there.
Turnout in Indianapolis is down from 2012, which is really bad news for Bayh. More and more looking like Young won. Bayh had never lost an election.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:09 pmThe democrat projected to take California’s open Senate seat.
LBascom (77a37c) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:10 pmthat’s not a surprise, there was no gop candidate, well his father birch would have reminded him,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:12 pm“Shocking” strength for Kander in Missouri. That would be an enormous pick-up for the Dems in the Senate.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:13 pmNBC News calls Young the winner in Indiana. But, if Kander wins in MO, the Senate is still problematic for GOP overall. Ayotte losing among independents in NH is very bad for her.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:27 pmTrump has opened up a 1% lead in Florida with 91% in, with the Redneck Riviera reporting late.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/8/2016 @ 5:33 pmI don’t see the problem with the first two. If additional (and dubious) information helps someone decide their vote, why should they not have it? How is it different from any other information that some people take into account when deciding whether and how to vote? Do you want to ban reporting on any scandal that erupts in the last 2 days of a campaign? (That’ll just push the last-minute scandals two days back, and the rebuttals won’t be able to be reported on.) What about weather and traffic reports? Some people are influenced by those. Horoscopes? Stock market reports?
That last point, though, is a good one. But not good enough, because the parties don’t depend on publication. They do their own polling, and/or have inside connections to learn the results of the media polls. And the real ballot-stuffing happens when the various polling places start announcing their numbers, and the machine-run ones hold back until they know how many they have to manufacture to put their guy over the top. I don’t know how you could stop that, though, because the parties definitely don’t rely on press reports of those results. Each party has observers at the count, whose job it is to call the results in to party HQ as soon as the count at that place is done. I know because I’ve been one.
Yes, that would seem to be constitutional.
Milhouse (40ca7b) — 11/8/2016 @ 7:54 pmHe is done.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/8/2016 @ 4:19 pm
Well done, Ed. WELL DONE!
Matador (051e87) — 11/9/2016 @ 12:53 am