Ben Howe’s Film “The Sociopath”
My colleague Ben Howe from RedState recently posted his film “The Sociopath” about Donald Trump. I just watched it. He convinced me: I’m not voting Trump!
(Yes, I’m kidding. I wasn’t going to vote Trump anyway.)
The film is under 50 minutes long and features interviews with Jonah Goldberg, Lachlan Markay, Rick Wilson, and Liz Mair — as well as footage showing the history of Trump’s rise, and his destruction of conservatism as a force in the Republican party. Enjoy!
What a bunch of cucks!
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:26 pmI hope you enjoy living under the thumb of Hillery and her band of thugs. Remember “useful idiots” are the first to go to the gulags.
oldgeezer (9a3891) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:38 pma bit of an echo chamber, I think,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:41 pmThe trouble with a documentary about Donald Trump is that one has to see Donald Trump’s face and hear Donald Trump’s voice. Eww!
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:59 pmI’d say it’s the party insiders who destroyed conservatism…
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:00 pmGrown men talking about how big bad Trump just came out of nowhere and kicked over their little tea party.
This is how we got Trump. They don’t listen and they can’t learn. They can’t distinguish cause and effect. This is why they lose elections.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:04 pmRedState has lost credibility just like Little green Footballs Andrew Sullivan. He has become so obsessed with Trump he has lost his way. Won’t even let people post on his site with a different point of view.
Jake (6faba3) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:05 pmHillary Clinton should be in Jail. When you compare her to Trump he is a saint.
Jake (6faba3) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:07 pmTrump worshipers are indeed delusional and declared in the beginning they weren’t interested in hearing any facts about Trump. They’ve proven that Trump could actually kill someone on Fifth Avenue and they would still line up with their hands raised high, declaring their loyalty to Trump.
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:07 pmTrump is the male version of Hillary.
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:08 pmHillary is the female version of Trump.
I don’t want to invest an hour in this propaganda but I invest many hours in propaganda per week. It’s like nk said, the worst part is having to listen to soooo much Trump at one time. I’ll watch in the morning. I’m supposed to take my wife car shopping so I’ll have some time to kill while she sleeps in.
My committeeman replaced my Trump/Pence signs.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:09 pm@John Hitchcock:Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler!!!!!eleventy!!
This doesn’t work. It’s boring now. And you have nothing left if a real Hitler ever came along.
I don’t know why any conservatives would ever think that other conservatives would be swayed by SJW tactics.
We know. Every Republican is Hitler. Romney and McCain were Hitler. Pence is also Hitler.
If Trump loses the 2020 candidate will be Hitler and the SJWs in the media will be saying how Reagan, Bush, Romeny and Trump would be ashamed of 202 Republicans.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:13 pmEvaluate this proposition:
I will not have anything to do with someone who has supported Hillary Clinton.
Does this reflect your view? Please let me know below.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:17 pmI will not have anything to do with someone who has supported Hillary Clinton.
Well, what if it were a person who would support her if she were running against Revenant Mao?
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:20 pmDustin is supporting Hillary Clinton right now. If he changes his mind, I will continue to have to do with him.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:20 pmFear of the candidate being called Hitler will result in Baker.Hogan.Rauner.Ducey. That’s what really cost Ernst #2, couldn’t have 2 krauts.
urbanleftbehind (87a154) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:21 pmI will even if he doesn’t, since he’s a civilized and decent person. But I understand that he is making a calculation about which reasonable people can disagree.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:21 pmThe evidence is overwhelming on Hillary. Go ahead support a serial liar who has no values.
Just because you hate Trump more than you love your country.
Jake (6faba3) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:21 pmChairman Mao was too much even for John Lennon (last line in Revolution).
urbanleftbehind (87a154) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:23 pmWhat about Bill Weld, on the Libertarian ticket, he supports Hillary Clinton. Says she has high moral character. Do I have to renounce and denounce him?
Man this purity test is hard to pass.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:24 pmGabriel Hanna proves he doesn’t care what Trump does or says or did or said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSVh3pMPc5Q
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:25 pmAnd accusing me of being a Leftist is a flat-out, blatant lie. But that’s what the Trump Idolators have: lies, lies, and more lies.
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:26 pmForensic analysis indicates the emails are genuine, right off the hard drive of the serial wanker/texter/self-abuser.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:27 pmA post reminding us how bad Trump is…
Then two posts reminding us how really bad Clinton is…
Then another post reminding us how really really bad Trump is…
Then…
Perhaps people can’t stop bashing Trump out of their anger over how things turned out,
It might be good to remember that Republican Congressional leaders said that they would rather work with Trump than Cruz.
Trump is not the root cause of the problem, getting Trump defeated will leave the root untouched and a leftist fascist corrupt tyrant in charge,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:28 pmThat is all.
Wow.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:28 pmOK, Jake. Evaluate this proposition:
I will not have anything to do with someone who has supported Hillary Clinton.
Nobody has given me a straight answer yet. Will you?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:28 pmFTFY
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:29 pmI recently met with an academic colleague for drinks, and the conversation quickly turned, as seems inevitable these days, to American politics. She was appalled when I expressed my admiration for Donald Trump. How could I break ranks so egregiously? After all, she expatiated, Trump wants to end all immigration to the U.S., he hates Muslims, he intends to launch a vendetta against Mexicans, he is an uneducated barbarian and an unscrupulous mountebank to boot.
I explained that she had been conned by the media blitzkrieg against Trump and had not considered his stated policies, for which he has gone on public record: To reduce the multi-trillion dollar American debt, bring jobs back to a country suffering massive unemployment, seal the porous southern border in order to stem what amounts to an invasion of the homeland, monitor immigration protocols to prevent the Muslimization of the United States and limit jihadist attacks, and stamp out high-level corruption. Anyone against these legitimate and necessary endeavors has either been fast asleep or is in sync with the forces of destruction. What, then, was her position on these issues?
No answer was forthcoming. I was, apparently, an alt-right apologist for political oppression, a traitor to the morally enlightened consensus, and, to put it succinctly, a lost cause. She rose from the table and walked out with an expression of contempt on her face. I suppose one could expect little different from someone who reads only The Huffington Post, The New York Times, the National Post and the Toronto Star, and listens to the pap spewed out by the CBC, CNN and MSNBC. Like most liberals, she was wholly unfamiliar with the countervailing literature and was therefore in no position to weigh evidence, balance competing viewpoints, and make an informed judgment. And like most leftists, her only response to an opposing argument was to shut down the debate. Trump was doubtless the monster rising from the Black Lagoon, slavering to devour the country. Case closed.
https://pjmedia.com/blog/open-letter-to-nevertrumpers/?singlepage=true#comments
Jake (6faba3) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:29 pm@John Hitchcock:Gabriel Hanna proves he doesn’t care what Trump does or says or did or said.
That is totally false. I’ve made my position clear. I am voting for the person most likely to deny Hillary the electoral votes of my state. So Trump will not get my vote if he can’t do that.
And accusing me of being a Leftist
I think you should read what I said. I said you are using their arguments.
what the Trump Idolators
Now you’re talking about some person I have no idea who it is…
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:29 pmEverything is proceeding as I have foreseen.
My plan includes making the case that people have an untenable choice.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:30 pmTrue that, MD.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:30 pmChoose life.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:31 pmAs am I. I am amazed that any sentient being could feel admiration for that worm.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:31 pm@Patterico:Nobody has given me a straight answer yet. Will you?
That’s not true, sir. I gave you several. “I will not have anything to do with someone who has supported Hillary Clinton” does not describe me. I will not renounce real people over a stupid election.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:31 pmHey urban,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:32 pmI heard it said that “Revolution” was Lennon’s response to a request from Ayers to write “an anthem for the revolution”
Lennon wanted to be counted out of the destruction,
At least one good thing to be said of him.
Jake, among others. “Admirer” at least.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:32 pmIf you’re okay with the current state of the nation and the world, vote Clinton or sit it out. It’s all the same.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:32 pmExcellent. How does Jake feel?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:32 pmlike I put in a post the other day, the clinton won the 96 election, by some of the same methods we see the foundation employ now, only judicial watch’s initial appearance helped weaken their moment, at the time we were fixated with the issue of the day, which was the oj trial, meanwhile al queda was rehearsing their efforts in bosnia, one of those conflicts the dems deemed critical, like syria is now,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:33 pmI will not vote for Hillary Clinton or a Hillary Clinton supporter.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:34 pmI said it before. It bears repeating.
This was the most important Primary season in 150 years.
The results…
This is the least important General election since this nation was founded.
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:34 pmWell, there you have it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:35 pm@Patterico: But this is no different from your Revenant Mao thing. (Would you vote for Trump or Revenant Mao? I don’t think you ever said…)
We all have friends, relatives, coworkers, wives and husbands, some of whom support or have supported Hillary Clinton. The only kind of person who could answer your question honestly would be someone who either has no social, familial, or business acquaintances, or someone who entirely is surrounded by like minded people.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:36 pmI don’t think it was ayers, it was a global issue, the french rebelled against degaulle, the rise of what would become the baader and the brigatte rossi, saturn’s children consuming the parent,
In early 1968, media coverage in the aftermath of the Tet Offensive spurred increased protests in opposition to the Vietnam War, especially among university students.[2] The protests were most prevalent in the US, but on 17 March, several thousand demonstrators marched to the American embassy in London’s Grosvenor Square and violently clashed with police.[3] Major protests concerning other political issues made international news, such as the March 1968 protests in Poland against their communist government, and the campus uprisings of May 1968 in France.[4]
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:37 pmwell without scalia as horatio at the gate, with the impact of 20-25 million amnestied, I think we should consider it more consequential,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:39 pmLet me ask a different question. Maybe you would not disown such a person.
Would you want such a person to be President?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:39 pmYou know one of my state’s Democratic electors has pledged not to vote Clinton. If he can convince the other 11, I may have to vote for Hillary Clinton to deny her my state’s electoral votes.
Then I guess I have to renounce myself or something.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:40 pm@Patterico:Would you want such a person to be President?
Only if the alternative were actually Hillary Clinton herself.
Oh, is she running?
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:41 pmOh, yes… Bader-Meinhoff, the Red Brigade, all of those degenerates. Those were the days.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:41 pmI will not have anything to do with someone who has supported Hillary Clinton.
Trump supported Hillary in 2008. Kind of leaves people in a predicament, no?
Dana (d17a61) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:42 pma similar current seems to be happeninf here and abroad, the enarques, their german, belgian, italian counterparts against populists from the national front to the five star movement, although there is some movement in the northern league,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:42 pm@Dana:Trump supported Hillary in 2008
Oh, is THAT where Patterico was going? Man am I simple.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:42 pmLiz Mair and Rick Wilson have embarrassed themselves this election season
There is something so…unmoving about a political consultant who has gotten wealthy off our current terrible election system who doesn’t make money in this cycle throwing a fit against the guy who isn’t paying them.
MayBee (a7822d) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:43 pmWhen I would talk with someone dying of AIDS who was afraid to take medicine because of the possible side effects,
I told them it was like going downhill in a car without brakes,
At some point not making a decision was going to be a decision.
Yes, in one way a person can choose to vote for neither Clinton nor Trump,
in some states it won’t make a difference,
but in some states it will make a difference.
If you really think it doesn’t make a difference who wins, then don’t vote.
As bad as Trump is, and I don’t count on him doing anything that he has promised,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:43 pmI still don’t see him as destructive as Clinton.
Trump is a serial liar. Nothing he promised during the early days of the Primaries will come to pass. Nothing he promised during the early days of the Primaries is tied to any of his statements in the years prior to this Primary season. He does not believe any of it and will not do any of it. But he will tell you to raise your right hand and swear an oath of fealty to him.
No, two corrupt, lying, narcissistic Democrat con-artists were selected to run against each other for President, making the end-results foregone and the General election at the top of the ticket virtually meaningless.
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:46 pmwell that would be a waste, md, because ‘history will not be a bystander’ decisions will have to be made in the next four years,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:46 pmAnd you know what? For all the drama, we are going to end up with one of them being president. I don’t think that’s something to be happy about. Being a Republican who is never Trump doesn’t get someone out of the fact that one of these people is going to be president.
MayBee (a7822d) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:47 pm@Maybee:There is something so…unmoving about a political consultant who has gotten wealthy off our current terrible election system who doesn’t make money in this cycle throwing a fit against the guy who isn’t paying them.
One of the best outcomes of this election, with all else wrong with it: the Krack Kadres of Kampaign Konsultants have been exposed as the worthless parasites they are.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:47 pm@John Hitchock:But he will tell you to raise your right hand and swear an oath of fealty to him.
Hitler Hitler Hitler. We get it. Just make a macro already. It will save you time.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:48 pmMore importantly, it doesn’t make a difference who I vote for, here in California.
I will do the equivalent of not voting.
I will write in Evan McMullin.
He’s an official write-in candidate here in California, and also he is not campaigning for Trump by getting in a big airplane with the name Trump written on the side of it.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:50 pmLook, Gabriel, if you don’t like hearing about what Trump has repeatedly done and will continue doing, then please do continue to plug your ears and go “lalalalalalala! Can’t hear you!” as you are doing now.
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:50 pmLiz Mair did not do a good thing with that Melania ad.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:51 pmJohn,
I agree with your assessment of Trump.
But as far as I know, he has not forfeited national security to cover his pay-to-play scandals
has not been party to the corruption of the DOJ, FBI, and presidency,
has not been party to subsidizing the greatest exporter of terror, etc, etc
But this is rehashing yet again what has already been said
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:52 pmWe are wasting time doing this, I think
It saddens me that #NeverTrump’ers like Patterico continue to attack the Republican nominee this close to the election.
What the hell do you folks think you are accomplishing?
I know the real effect, if any: to improve the odds of Hillary being elected.
So why not just be honest and argue for Hillary’s election openly, because that is what you are doing.
Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
Let it rest. We already know that you are holier than us poor shmucks who choose to vote against the lesser of evils, Trump.
So come on, why not talk about something other than the election? Seriously, what the hell do you hope to achieve, other than signalling your virture?
John Moore (508b53) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:52 pm@John Hitchcock:Look, Gabriel, if you don’t like hearing about what Trump has repeatedly done and will continue doing
I’m tired of you trivializing the Holocaust, that’s all. I’m quite familiar with Trump’s record, as are all of us here.
The Hitler thing doesn’t work, and it’s boring.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:53 pmCorrection, vote for the lesser of evils, Trump, against the greater of evils.
John Moore (508b53) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:53 pmit was poorly considered, so al queda is on the run, sarc, but they seem to moving toward an attack, on our shores, and it seems something larger than say orlando, so why isn’t this a topic,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:53 pmBen Shapiro’s new book is scary.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:56 pmGood night, I am going to do something useful now and pray
@John Moore: Seriously, what the hell do you hope to achieve, other than signalling your virture?
Maybe trying to avoid the retribution if Hillary wins? The FBI is going to see a lot of early retirements, firings, and resignations I can guarantee that.
If anyone is doing that, it won’t help them. Feeding the crocodile might get them eaten last, is all.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:57 pmah how did I forget this fellow,
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264709/european-media-jihad-against-geert-wilders-robert-spencer
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:58 pmHi there. Donald Trump sucks. Thanks for giving me the chance to express that opinion again.
What I hope to accomplish will be clearer in six months, clearer still in one year, and far clearer in three. I don’t expect it to make sense to you today.
If you are voting for Trump as the lesser of two evils, I respect that. All I ask is that you show me the same respect I show you.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:00 pm@John Moore: I think #NeverTrump’s motives are mostly good. They tend to be of an age that grew up during the 50’s – 80’s, when there was a lot of talk about civic virtue and whatnot.
I was very surprised to learn in reading about the early history of America how ugly and corrupt the politics really were, even in the Founders’ generation. Democracy didn’t start to wear a halo until about the 1940’s, and a very convenient myth it was for a half-century of Congress being controlled by a single party. It was very much in the interest of the political class to foster a myth of disinterested public service.
Democrats never forgot, they kept up a tradition of machine politics. Republicans thought ideology wins elections, and so when they get beat they try to make their ideology purer; but it doesn’t work.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:02 pmMaybe trying to avoid the retribution if Hillary wins? The FBI is going to see a lot of early retirements, firings, and resignations I can guarantee that.
If anyone is doing that, it won’t help them. Feeding the crocodile might get them eaten last, is all.
Small people attribute their smallness to others because their small minds cannot comprehend anything bigger.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:02 pm@John Moore: You don’t get power by creating a pure ideology and finding saints to propound it in elections season. You get power by winning elections, and then you can attract people to the ideology, not because they care about it, but because they want to be associated with success and have access to power.
It’s a cynical view I have I admit. But the last 240 years have been special interests trying to pick each other’s pockets and boss one another around. It was ever thus.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:05 pmI did NOT trivialize the holocaust. I did not even bring it up. But you know what is worse than the holocaust? The US record on abortion. That is much worse than the great evil done to the Jews.
https://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com/pro-israel/
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:07 pm@nk:Small people attribute their smallness to others because their small minds cannot comprehend anything bigger.
Yeah, I’m sure they have small hands and penises too.
Did you read about that law firm that’s been giving bonuses that reimburse donations to Hillary? If she wins I’m sure more will start doing that.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:07 pmas mark steyn has put it time and again, the left has seized the ‘commanding heights’ of all the institutions, like media, and education, so even when we win one match, it’s just a holding action,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:08 pm75… well how about that. I didn’t even know it was a contest. It’s all horrendous, innocent blood spilled.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:10 pmand how the annihilation of two generation, made acceptable, ‘through the power of strong delusion’ brother hitchcock, through the denigration of christianity,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:10 pm@Hitchcock:I did not even bring it up.
You can’t make Hitler allusions without bringing it up. That’s how Hitler allusions are supposed to work.
As for abortion, I think it’s pretty bad, and I know which candidate seeks to maximize them, and his initials are not DJT. But the Libertarian ticket supports abortion; like St Goldwater did (lifelong work on behalf of Planned Parenthood).
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:11 pmNot if she repeals(sic) Citizens United.
Although that sounds illegal even with Citizens United. What’s the whole story?
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:12 pmI use fictional parallel’s bradbury’s deutscher, king’s stillson, whoever wrote ron silver in timecop,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:13 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc
John Hitchcock (5a5a55) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:14 pmBut abortion is one continuous holocaust, that’s undeniable.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:15 pmYeah, that’s a no-no. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3899648/Massachusetts-law-firm-reimbursed-partners-political-donations.html
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:15 pmIn case you haven’t noticed, this country is being destroyed from within by the Left over the last 50 years. So, if you love cultural Marxism, you’ll love voting for Hillary.
Otto Maddox (e44ab9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:16 pmthey came up with the wrong remedy, under maverick’s duet with feingold, explicit political speech like bossie’s work was verboten, this just empowered bundlers to coordinate their contributions more readily,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:17 pmwhich maher, morgan freeman, and jj abrahms have done to great affect to support obama and now red queen,
@nk:Here’s your link. Sorry I messed up the other, if Patterico can delete that he should.
What they did was illegal, both before and after Citizens United, but Hillary will not have her donors punished, naturally, laws are for little people.
From 2010 through 2014, Strouss and Bradley, along with founding partner Michael Thornton and his wife, donated nearly $1.6 million to Democratic Party fund-raising committees and a parade of politicians — from Senate minority leader Harry Reid of Nevada to Hawaii gubernatorial candidate David Ige to Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. Over the same span, the lawyers received $1.4 million listed as “bonuses” in Thornton Law Firm records; more than 280 of the contributions precisely matched bonuses that were paid within 10 days.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:17 pm@narcisco:they came up with the wrong remedy
My ass. That’s a feature, not a bug. Campaign finance laws are incumbent protection and they know perfectly well what they are doing.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:18 pmI found it. We cross-posted.
Nope, they can’t do that. Not prudent.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:20 pm@nk:Nope, they can’t do that.
Huh, they DID do it and it’s only luck anyone found out. Like with Judicial Watch and Hillary’s server.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:21 pmThese laws did not exist before 1975. Color me less than unmoved.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:23 pmexactly like biden’s campaign paid a 250K fine, right around the time there was signaling over macho grande, you think thornton is the only firm that does this, murphy is caught in another straw donor schemem
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:25 pmMy ” Clinton’s people planted a horse head in bed with Pat.” theory is shaping up.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:26 pmwho is going to enforce the law it seems ‘they bought the stage,’ from that terrible starship song,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:28 pmPat just contribute a Benjamin to the elect Hillary fund. THen they’ll lay off your lifestock.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:29 pmthis film is not even america
i abjure this ben howe film
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:33 pmThey most likely still hold a grudge over that year you spent stepping on their Weiner.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:33 pm13 I will not have anything to do with someone who has supported Hillary Clinton.
Does this reflect your view? Please let me know below.
It does not reflect my view. I am against this sort of litmus test in general.
James B. Shearer (a91466) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:33 pmThe shortest federal statute of limitations is five years. The next administration can get them.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:34 pmlerner crushed the tea party chapters, remember, and we don’t even bother to sanction koskinen, and this happened with collaboration with reid, cardin, schumer, et al, meanwhile they were outright breaking the law and yet 4-6 years later is their any accountability,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:35 pmKnow this. I’m pulling for Trump for both of our sakes.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:35 pm46Let me ask a different question. Maybe you would not disown such a person.
Would you want such a person to be President?
Depends on who they running against. Obviously refusing to back someone running against Hilary Clinton because they supported Clinton in the past makes no sense at all.
James B. Shearer (a91466) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:37 pmthe dog trainer has an odd understanding of civility,
http://tammybruce.com/2016/11/la-times-fires-reporter-who-wanted-trump-dead.html#comment-185168
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:41 pmPowerful video! Good post!
I just want to reiterate a notion mentioned upthread: a lot of the misery we’re inflicting on eachother is totally pointless. Trump never built a campaign operation. He has no ground game. I know that if you’re a Gateway Pundit, Ace of Spaces, or Infowars reader you actually think this election will come down to the wire, but it’s not going to be close. Hillary won months ago when she built a GOTV effort and conducted retail politics. There’s more to this stuff than bombast and tweets. Winning a presidential election takes a lot of managerial effort.
It’s not even really about the ideas or the confusing way Trump supporters forgive Trump’s Hillary support while condemning those who don’t support as by default supporting Hillary. It’s just about the votes, which Hillary will get to the polls and Trump will not. This is why I was so stunned that Trump slapped Cruz in the face at the convention, as though he wanted to split the GOP badly.
You guys who really don’t want Hillary to be president: me neither. Too bad. That’s why I’m frustrated with Trump. Don’t blame your messengers.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:46 pmthis is the sound of a culture consuming itself like an ourobouros
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-symbol-of-racism-never-worn-one-never-will-robert-fisk-remembrance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:49 pmAnd that’s your God given right.
But ask yourself who Trump would vote for in an election between a republican that was unidentified and Hillary. Would Trump assume the Republican, any republican, is probably worse than Hillary? Given how he showed Hillary’s family so much respect, deferring to them in order to avoid mentioning Bill’s sex scandals at debates, and has supported them over the years, versus how he disrespected republicans as like child molesters, with ugly wives and assassin dads, I believe Trump would vote exactly the opposite of how his supporters do. It’s this muddy political reality that has greatly set back the notion of democracy in the USA. Who do I vote for if I actually want some reform? Why is everything set up so that the same few folks who love eachother so much seem to win every time?
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:51 pmrick wilson had one race this cycle, ironically it was someone who copied trump’s message against rubio, liz mair torpedoed walker from the get go, then shot the wounded on the way out,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:52 pmdid they do anything of consequence, no they didn’t unlike steve schmidt and nicole wallace, they did in the open, meanwhile, the dem auxiliaries in the courts, pull their parlor tricks in ahia and north carolina,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:54 pmone of the examples I brought up,
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/multiple-courts-weighing-voter-intimidation/story?id=43273334
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:58 pmthis is the other,
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/judge-says-north-carolina-illegally-purged-voter-lists-n677431
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:59 pmnot this (redacted) again
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-hackers-ready-hit-back-if-russia-disrupts-election-n677936
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:06 pmDustin calls for a Hillslide.
Don’t count your chickens before they come home to roost.
Pinandpuller (9d7b14) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:14 pmInsufferable nevertrumpers and their sitting on the fence over principles they barely understand since they have never been tested.
Lol (42bad1) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:19 pmthe sociopaths, this one is a sharpton protege, seem to be on one side of the ledger,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/05/why-we-should-all-fear-the-rot-inside-the-fbi.html?via=desktop&source=twitter
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:24 pmCounting ’em isn’t what he’s doing.
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:24 pmThat’s why we have a secret ballot. For candidates like the Clintons.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:26 pmThe Dog Trainer wrt Dornrife might supplant Nate Silver by the time the dust is cleared. I just marvel at the fact the alt weekly of LA proper is most of the time to the right of the daily of record.
urbanleftbehind (87a154) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:27 pm119. I also don’t ascribe to the Hillary will be enabled/Donald will be impeached wisdom. I think Hillary could very well be ushered out with a modicum of silent help to the Rs from the Obama wing (the Dems will also feel overconfident they can piss off a chunk of the tent without major repercussion. Trump is the one with the mobs – the Russian, geriatric Italian, and the militant segment of the alt.-right – at his beck and call. Who’s gonna gonna have the nads to stand up to that.
urbanleftbehind (87a154) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:34 pmreally what is she going them on single payer, amnesty, so he’ll have the bratva at his beck and call like a septuagenerian oliver queen,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:41 pmnow there are some parallels to berlusconi, which was hammered by the left through two noncontiguous eras in italian politics, he presided over the bossi/fini law, which the likes of camilleri didn’t cotton to,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:44 pmForgive me, Patrick, as someone who has supported you for more than a decade, but your hubris is shining through here.
Trump is a pig and a POS who may start a nuclear war,
but he is still LESS bad than Hillary.
And one of the two of them will be President, so, which is less bad?
That is your choice. You can declaim, “It’s not a binary choice!” ’til the cows come home, but as a practical matter it is one or the other.
Which is worse? Will you be able to say, afterwards, that you did all you could to prevent the greater evil?
No. You only give a shit about your ability to wear your “I Didn’t Vote For Either” virtue-signalling boutonniere.
Trump is a POS, and I’m voting for him anyway because he is less dangerous than Hillary.
Mitch (bfd5cd) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:12 pmAnd now my comments are placed in moderation? Forget it. I’m un-bookmarking this site and sending my Amazon references to Ace of Spades. Fuck yourself, Patrick.
Mitch (bfd5cd) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:14 pmel tipo sabe (‘this guy knows what’s he’s talking about)
http://babalublog.com/2016/11/04/blackhispanic-presidential-medal-of-freedom-winner-hailed-donald-trump-and-denounced-media-attacks-on-him-last-year/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:23 pmthey have used stronger words than deplorable against us,
http://babalublog.com/2016/11/03/trump-leads-in-florida-thanks-to-cuban-americans-so-americas-champion-deplorables-do-it-again/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:31 pmMitch:
If you use the word “shit” in a comment, it automatically goes into moderation. Same with the word “fuck.”
I was driving on the freeway when you left your comment. It’s nothing personal.
Well, on my part. It sure seems to be personal on your part.
Sorry I’m not excited about your candidate that you believe might start a nuclear war. But I’m not.
Patterico (0e0c78) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:31 pmHow I love this election season…
Patterico (0e0c78) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:32 pmI have never criticized that position. I don’t understand why someone who obviously believes in the same principles as I do can’t respect me and my decision, even if they disagree with it.
I’ll chalk it up to the general hostility of this election season.
Patterico (0e0c78) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:34 pmthat’s a dubious notion, anyways, the one who brought us closest was kennedy, and that was because he failed to follow through with the promise he made, hence the cuban missile crisis, second was nixon, who was confronted by the soviet incursion against israel in 73, during one of those impeachment things you recommend as a failsafe, third was able archer, and was due in part to traitorous democrats, (some things never change) telling andropov that reagan was a warmonger that couldn’t be trusted,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:35 pmhe’s not an optimum candidate, stipulated eleventy, now this administration is playing cyberchicken with volodya, that’s stupid in way that can’t accomodate the word,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:38 pmThe Republican establishment is to blame for whatever comes to conservatism. People need to look in the mirror. Focusing on Trump is deflection from one’s own incompetence.
Lyle Smith (8ad426) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:44 pmis that not clear enough, should I strive harder to be understood,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:45 pmYou mean Charles Johnson. Andrew Sullivan is a strange amalgam of left and right, but AFAIK, had nothing to do with LGF.
Bill H (971e5f) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:59 pmcharles johnson, john cole, james joyner, they let their site go completely nazgul.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 11:02 pmfwiw,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3902016/NFL-legend-Rosey-Grier-says-s-backing-Donald-Trump-strong-takes-immigration-terrorism.html
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 11:05 pmthe nexus 6 always had that problem,
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/04/democratic-strategist-with-practice-hillary-will-eventually-sound-human/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 11:15 pmI’m get the point that you are trying to make…but she’ll be lawless with no one to restrain her. I was never trump probably still am never mark Kirk, but going to vote for trump and die a little. Hillary should be in jail. Donald is unpalatable hillary evil.
Carlos (fb2d03) — 11/4/2016 @ 11:26 pmYah, Balloon Juice went goofy even before LGF. I haven’t been to either of those sites for prolly right around a decade, now.
Bill H (971e5f) — 11/4/2016 @ 11:26 pmyour blog:
Hillary Clinton Emailed Classified Information To Chelsea Clinton And Then Tried To Cover Her Tracks
Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:44 pm
By all means and logic: vote for illary!
jb (f4cc07) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:16 amu r w her!
Yes, Trump is a sociopath. So is Hillary. So is Bill (although Bill has made a study of humans and can mimic them). So are many people in office. It is often a prerequisite.
That’s not Trump’s problem. He’s a STUPID, IGNORANT sociopath.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:41 amIt’s also not Hillary’s. She’s a megalomaniac AND sociopath.
One thing is clear: no matter who wins this, the social fabric of America is terribly torn and will not be fixed by the outcome of the election.
Consider: I’m told that if Hillary wins, the next day Comey will be fired and the whole investigation of Hillary and the Clinton Foundation shut down. Does anyone here think this will fix things?
Consider: I’m told that if Trump wins, Obama will be issuing pardons and scrubbing hard drives, although maybe not in that order. Does anyone think this will make the incoming administration LESS likely to pursue corruption charges?
1968 was never this intense.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:47 amShe can’t fire Comey.
If she tried the GOP would grind Congress to a halt.
The Judiciary Comm will step in and faction as a defacto FBI, sending subpoenas for anyone and everyone they can think of, and they will pursue impeachment.
If the GOP controls the Senate, she won’t get a single appointment confirmed.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:59 amAs I said, 1968 was never this intense. Things are at the breaking point and I don’t really see how they get better with either Trump or the Hildebeast.
The best plan I can think of is a successful third party that promises top jail the lot of them.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/5/2016 @ 1:20 amYou have an amazing capacity for understatement.
If you put violent criminals to the side, he might be the worst human being I have ever heard of.
Patterico (0e0c78) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:11 amYesterday some of my academic colleagues were holding forth in the department office.
First, they were afraid that Clinton might lose.
Second, they bemoaned how half the country seemed to support Trump.
Third, a woman was outraged how some women supported Trump.
Normally I shut up about politics at work. But it bothered me. So I said the following.
And they all soberly agreed.
Weird times ahead.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:10 amCrazy years dead ahead, simon, but that is true across the pond as well. Boris Johnson having not been an optimum candidate.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:34 amWell rage is countrrproductive, facts are more effective, rather than emanation and penumbra from same.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:56 amyes yes steady hands and thoughtful appraisals is how we beat that pig
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:57 amThat is because that was a new deal coalition in 68, in 2016, it is the new left which is in charge.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:00 amActually, Mr. Feet, voting is more fundamental to your supposed goals.
Oh, right.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:37 amyou have to us the whole tool kit not just your favorite ones
it’s a little bit of this a little bit of that
incremental progress
steely determination
you can’t just lie down and let people do that pig all up in it
that would leave a stain on your soul
no pig
now way
no how
no regrets
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:42 am*no* way i mean not *now* way
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:42 amLeft unsaid, though running through the minds of your colleagues, was that the “something” that has to change will be any resistance to the batsh*t craziness of the left, Simon.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:48 amIf you put violent criminals to the side, he might be the worst human being I have ever heard of.
Patterico (0e0c78) — 11/5/2016
Wow.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:55 amThere goes the neighborhood.
Pinandpuller (23c623) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:57 amYou mean Charles Johnson. Andrew Sullivan is a strange amalgam of left and right, but AFAIK, had nothing to do with LGF.
Bill H (971e5f) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:59 pm
Charles Johnson is a wind instrument who plays wind instruments.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:58 amIts like a friends episode with extra ross,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 6:59 amTry that again.
Pinandpuller (23c623) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:08 amMitch, and his comments at #122 and #123, are a great example of why I’m #NeverTrump.
You want to mock “virtue-signaling,” fine. But then it might not be such a good idea to pitch your own actions as doing “all [I] could to prevent the greater evil.” See, now that’s virtue-signaling. Mitch is such a good person that he’ll always try and stop the greater evil from happening! Even if that means voting for someone whom he actually admits might start a nuclear war! Because as bad as Trump is, Hillary’s worse! (And while he’s at it, he’ll send all his support to a site run by a hypocrite who has admitted multiple times that he’s not a conservative, who has left the Republican Party more times than I can count, and who was actually #NeverTrump himself to the point of saying he would vote for Hillary before totally reversing course like a yellow-bellied…err…sapsucker. Because that’s the kind of rock-ribbed, dyed-in-the-wool, “It’s Morning in America” conservative that Mitch is, I guess.)
See, people can talk all they want about how it’s a binary choice, but the only reason it’s ever a binary choice is because that’s what people believe. So sure, lock yourself into that universe. And lock everybody else into it along with you, me included. But by voting for the “lesser of two evils,” whether you think that’s Trump or Hillary — you’re perpetuating the evil that produced them. And that evil, if left unchecked, will produce more like them, who will get into office because they;re the only ones you ever vote for. And then between them, they’ll change this country into some Bizarro version of itself, fueled by a nightmarish amalgam of nationalist pride and socialist policies. Hmm. Nationalist and socialist. I wish there was a quick, easy word for that.
As for me? Voted early yesterday. Marked the ballot for Gary Johnson. Feelin’ fine.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:19 amThe fellow in yemen, that Obama sprung in 2012 is al sudani, so if were looking for the signal to an attack, but it would be awkward to point that out now.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:20 ami like Mitch he has a good heart and he’s taking it to the streets for to beat that pig and save Christmas
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:24 amMarked the ballot for Gary Johnson. Feelin’ fine.
Cool with the carbon taxes, gun control, abortion, and defenses of Hillary Clinton then?
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:24 am… to me, Donald Trump is not a rich man. Donald Trump is like what a hobo imagines a rich man to be.
John Mulaney
Pinandpuller (23c623) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:26 amThe least of three evils is still evil. Maybe happyfeet is the purest of us all.
Pinandpuller (23c623) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:30 amBluntman is too toasted to tell, consider that awkward moment with hallow Jackson
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:30 amYeah, there are no actual small-government conservatives in this race, except maybe Pence.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:34 amwe have to hang together against that pig or we’ll hang all higgledy piggledy
how come that’s so hard
doing pervy mitt romney’s mcmuffin all up in it?
how is that even a thing?
it’s not!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:37 amNo one yells him anything either.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:38 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #162 and #166:
Nope. But even with that, he’s the most conservative candidate in the race for whom I can cast a vote. And unlike Donald Trump, as far as I am aware, Johnson has never donated money in suport of Hillary, thus helping to advance her political career. So he’s got that going for him.
Thank you for giving the best argument in favor of Johnson. If I could vote for Evan McMullin, I would. If I could vote for Pence but not Trump, I would. As it is, while Johnson is no small-government conservative, he’s also no big-government progressive.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:45 amIt’ll be exciting to have Bill Weld as Vice President!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:47 am@ Cruz Supporter, #170:
If I were voting for vice-president, I would be voting for Mike Pence. But I’m not, and neither are you.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:51 am@Demosthenes:Thank you for giving the best argument in favor of Johnson
I’m afraid it was indeed the best argument.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:52 amSo you’re on lsd now?
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:53 am158. He figures, since he did it at least once with Huma, he may as well do it with a real horse.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:53 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #172:
Agreed. And yet it’s better than Mitch’s argument. Anybody that begins “Well, my guy might start a nuclear war, but…” can just delete the “but” and anything that comes after it.
So, have you decided whether you’re voting for Trump yet? I’m just curious.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:56 am“Trump may be a car wreck, but at least his car is pointed in right direction. Hillary is a drunk-driver going the wrong way on the freeway,” says Mike Huckabee on Facebook.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:01 amOk, I made a mistake. Facebook or Twitter is all the same to me.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:04 am“See, people can talk all they want about how it’s a binary choice, but the only reason it’s ever a binary choice is because that’s what people believe.”
– Demosthenes
Yup. Absolutely right. I’ve been making the same point for years. It’s incredible how eager people are to stick their heads in the sand on this point, though – it’s easier to just repeat the “binary choice !!1!” mantra without actually thinking about it.
Leviticus (458e12) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:08 amSo Demo goes all in for Gary and Bill’s Excellent Adventure. Totally Awesome!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:11 amthe titanic was gonna sink or float
that’s all it was ever gonna do
it chose poorly
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:11 amHere we go again:
What’s interesting here is that both of these people vote.
So if anyone is a pervert, it is someone who tells other people to vote, calls people stupid and vulgar names, and yet is too flipping lazy to vote. But not too lazy to shoot their mouths off.
In a juvenile way, of course. Which takes us back to lazy.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:14 am#153: Colonel, I am pretty sure you are correct. They were all big Bernie fans. But I think it has soaked into them that HRC used dirty tricks and dirty money and dirty rules to bring Bernie down.
So they see that the system is rigged. And they are starting to see, I think, that if the system is rigged in “their” favor, it could be rigged against them. Which is why rigged systems are bad, of course.
Still, running DJT is the best way to keep folks voting from HRC, because of the way the media complex has portrayed him. And even so, things are close.
Not because, I believe, the Left supports HRC or the Right supports DJT.
It’s because how clearly the system is messed up.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:19 amnonono that’s a misnomer
you’re just incorrect, and you should pause and reflect I think
i vote every day Mr. Jester
every single day
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:20 amSeeing a lot of worried lefties. The gnashing of their teeth, rending of garments and distressed whining will be sweet music next week.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:21 amit’s a grim and dirty business, sending that pig back to the hell what spawned her
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:22 am… to me, Donald Trump is not a rich man. Donald Trump is like what a hobo imagines a rich man to be.
… to me, Donald Trump is not a Republican. Donald Trump is like what a Marxist imagines a Republican to be.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:27 amNo, Mr. Feet, you do not. Nor are you serious.
You simply shoot your mouth off. You like it here because most people just ignore you like bad graffiti on a freeway overpass. Every once in a while, you realize you are going too far—like insulting people who refuse to vote for Trump (like Patterico) or even taking shots at DRJ. But soon you are back to your usual nonsense.
I think you damage discourse with your foolish and juvenile name calling or lazy thinking. Plus the fact you are a raging hypocrite as well as a misogynist and anti-religious.
You have a right to scribble your nonsense here. I have a right to call you on it.
The difference between us is that I also write about other topics here at Patterico’s place, and interact productively with others. You only write your hateful nonsense. But you used to write valuable things.
And I enjoy giving you trouble about not voting. This is because you have, multiple times, insisted how important it is to vote. And you do not.
Because you are lazy and fundamentally unserious.
But you have no trouble taking the time and energy you could use for positive and productive actions, and instead act like a weird and hateful person.
I’m not fooled, nor is anyone else.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:29 amnope you’re wrong
you haven’t thought this through very well
you’ll get there eventually though
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:30 amthe titanic was gonna sink or float
that’s all it was ever gonna do
it chose poorly
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:11 am
LOL. Good one mr. happyfeet.
AZ Bob (f7a491) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:34 am“OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE MAY JUST BE BEGINNING: Dems’ war on the FBI is a preview of a Hillary presidency.
Vote wisely — as Glenn noted late last month in USA Today, Trump isn’t “any less arrogant than Clinton (though it would be hard to be more arrogant).” But far more people would be willing “to tell Trump no. The civil service, which leans overwhelmingly Democratic, won’t be bending over backwards to do his will. The press can’t stand him. And Congress, even if controlled by the GOP, won’t support him if he misbehaves because so many Republicans dislike him, too. The truth is, neither one of our leading candidates for president is a paragon of virtue. But only one of them has already made a habit of flouting the law while in office, selling favors and escaping the consequences, and only one of them is likely to be able to pull it off from the White House.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/248312/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:35 am135. And screw them, they just mad the C’s and B’s got their asses handed to them during the green light era, Jerry B’s early release and reduced sentencing was a lifeline to them; in Vegas that diaspora is bucking the dominant crime narrative of inner portion of the Portland OR to Houston arc.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:38 am“I was so stunned that Trump slapped Cruz in the face at the convention, as though he wanted to split the GOP badly.”
L’il Donny was just pouring the foundation for the Hispanic walls being built in Florida and Nevada. The Florida Hispanic wall will be enough to keep him out of the White House, the Nevada wall is just backup. Neither was necessary, considering the impact on women of the Slovenian slut bearing L’il Donny’s Good Home Wrecking Squeal of Approval as a very good piece of ass. L’il Donny’s campaign was DOA from the start.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:41 am192. This might be remembered as the 3M election, if the Mormons give in to there feelings.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:43 amBookmakers and Wall Street – but I repeat myself – historically have provided the most reliable indicators of the results of future events, in this case the presidential election. They’re predicting a Trump win as evidenced by the odds and the actions of the Masters of the Universe. All other predictions – from pollsters to pundits – are unreliable and useless.
I am a “one issue” voter – I want to see the elimination of the outsize influence of the thieves, leeches, and regulators in our financial industry. Therefore, I’m voting for Trump since he represents a huge threat to their hegemony. Conversely, Hillary calms the financial industry’s nerves as she ensures the status quo.
I used scare quotes around “one issue” since reforming Wall Street and the Fed necessarily results in progress on a variety of other pressing issues – reducing unemployment and ensuring fair trade to name a couple.
As a close second, I’d like to see “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”. Not in the sense Shakespeare intended, but as an expression of the frustration of ordinary folks with the complexity and arcana of law.
PacificBlueMarlin (8e0dec) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:47 amAnd maybe you will quit being a hateful weirdo and actually live the life you wish others to live, Mr. Feet.
Perhaps even vote.
You will get there eventually.
But I doubt it. It takes work and attention and decency.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:58 amActually, when Kevin recommended I look into Evan McMullin and DRJ challenged me on the impact of voting for Hillary if it’s not going to be close anyway, I decided it’s probably better to write in Evan McMullin. Friends I know are writing in Ted Cruz.
I definitely think Hillary would be a much better president than Donald Trump. They share every bad trait Hillary has, from the refusal to be transparent (like with the tax returns) to the corruption (he paid her off, remember?), to the politics (if anything Trump is to her left historically). But Trump is more mentally unstable, muses about using nukes, destroys the right instead of bolstering it in opposition to a democrat.
Saying I support Hillary when I’ve been critical of her for years is untrue, but it’s a tired tactic of the GOP. All the GOP has to run on is hatred of the other side, and that has trickled down into the bitter partisans all over the place. Do you offer me something good for my vote? Trump wants to attack the families of conservative politicians and run them out of office. You guys sure seem to hate my guts too. If this is your idea of how to win me over, it’s no surprise Hillary will win easily.
Don’t worry… I probably won’t vote for a Republican presidential candidate again. It will be up to you guys to offer me something to make up for this election before I’d even consider it. That’s politics, and the GOP faithful are terrible at it.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:01 amWe’re victims of Obama in this century
Nobody ever said that life was free
Sink, swim, go down with the ship
But use your freedom of choice
I’ll say it again in the land of the free
Use your freedom of choice
Your freedom of choice
In modern times
Teh songs all rhyme
And here’s my pitch
Don’t vote the b*tch
She’s gotten rich
Must make a switch
And vote for Trump
He ain’t no Gump
Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom of choice!
He ain’t too smart, kinda dumb
Seems to be the rule of thumb
Don’t be tricked by Hillary
And #NeverTrump is lunacy
I’ll say it again in the land of the free
Use your freedom of choice
Freedom of choice
Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom of choice
In ancient Rome
There was a poem
About a wolf
Who raised two kids
She picked at one
She licked the other
They suckled wolf teat
Now how ’bout that!
Freedom of choice
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:05 amIs what you got
Freedom from choice
Is what you want
I will not have anything to do with someone who has supported Hillary Clinton.
Ever since Breitbart became pro-Trump echo chamber I started gravitating towards Trump-critical websites like Patterico, Redstate, and Rightscoop. Having said that, my position on Trump has been thoroughly elucidated here, and I do not need to see a youtube clip to know that Trump has some very serious character flaws. Ben Shapiro has made it clear that his Never-Trump position is based on a different risk assessment from that of Dennis Prager, who (like myself) is grudgingly voting for Trump. I have a great deal of respect for the opinions of Shapiro and Frey because they do not ignore the elephant in the room, but I think their risk assessment is dead wrong. As for the quote, I assume you are referring to Trump’s past support of Hillary. At best, Trump had a change of heart. More likely, he is an opportunist. Even in this worst case scenario, when a very large segment of congressional Republicans dislike you, they will do nothing to protect you from impeachment by Democrats if you betray them or step out of line. Few things would please me more than seeing Mike Pence finishing out Trump’s first term.
Tony (ff2fe4) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:12 amNo, it’s up to Goldilocks to figure it out for himself.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:14 amThat would be by far the best possible outcome at this point, but the reality is that Trump has been just as good at putting together a GOTV operation and unifying his political party as he has been at running casinos and universities.
I appreciate the viewpoint that Hillary actually is the greater immediate threat than Trump. No one should doubt they both are great threats. It’s hard to believe that Trump really could be the American despot he acts like, but some of his zealous fans make it clear that this is at least possible. It’s that outcome that is the greatest threat, albeit not at all the most likely.
The real issue for me is that the GOP has absolutely stopped offering conservatives anything except to pick the democrat nominee and run a boogeyman campaign. This leads to the Team R cheerleaders bashing honest conservatives expressing doubt in GOP politicians, and this is exactly why the GOP has won only a single popular election (2004) since I started voting.
Team R guys need to accept that they are the loser party and they need to change by appealing to voters like me. The Tea Party’s initial stages, when there were a lot of normal folks hoping for some real change, showed just how viable such an effort could be. The GOP lining up with Trump in the primary showed us just how hard the GOP wishes to avoid this outcome.
Gabriel Hanna is more interested in my vote, but I’m not the reason Hillary will be president. It’s the GOP establishment that decided it preferred Hillary to Cruz.
Tony’s right that Hillary will be terrible, but let’s lay the blame in the appropriate place: the GOP establishment. Trump did not have to be the nominee, and that choice was choosing to lose.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:22 amnarcissism is a mental disorder.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:26 amHillary Clinton’s overriding political goal is to destroy the GOP as a function opposition to the Dem. party. This effort began under Bill Clinton, and it will accelerate and likely succeed under Hillary Clinton if she is elected.
It will be accomplished through a continuation of open immigration that has been driven to new levels by Obama.
Demographics are destiny. 80% of immigrants over the past 2 decades who register to vote do so for Dems.
The GOP cannot win Calif any longer, and within one or two election cycles it wont’ be able to win Arizona.
The big prize is Texas. If the Dems can do to Texas what they have already accomplished in Calif, then the goal will have been achieved.
Unchecked immigration from Muslim countries has already built a firewall in Michigan, and what will only get stronger. The same will likely eventually take Ohio out of the toss-up category and make it a shade blue state.
The goal is to build an moat around 325-350 electoral votes. That will eventually lead to a flip in the House and a permanent majority in the Senate.
If you doubt this is the future if Dems control the WH and immigration policy, just at the raw vote totals, Dem vote totals, and Hispanic vote totals in Calif over the past 6 elections.
Nevada may already be lost next Tuesday according to an analysis of huge early voting yesterday in Clark County. Local news in Las Vegas last night showed long long lines of people waiting to vote — lines of Hispanic hotel industry workers bused to polling stations by Harry Reid’s turnout machine.
So, factor that into your calculation of Hillary Clinton being the lesser of two evils — the fact that one term of Hillary Clinton continuing and building on Obama’s immigration policy will very likely make the US an functional one-party democracy.
But NeverTrumpers can go on cruises together with National Review writes and wax philosophically about the virtues of small government and Constitutional conservatism.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:30 am@Demosthenes:So, have you decided whether you’re voting for Trump yet? I’m just curious.
Let’s see what happens this weekend. If more of my state’s Democratic electors defect, I may have to vote Hillary to deny her the electoral votes.
@Dustin:Saying I support Hillary when I’ve been critical of her for years is untrue, but it’s a tired tactic of the GOP.
That’s not why anyone said you “support Hillary”. It’s because you gave a definite statement that you think she’d be a less bad President than Trump that you’d be willing to vote for her if it stopped Trump.
Gabriel Hanna is more interested in my vote
Not at all. I am interested in what and how you think about how you vote.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:35 am202… as cogent and eloquent an argument I have read to this point. What is it about these truths that otherwise intelligent people cannot comprehend?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:36 am@Dustin:Saying I support Hillary when I’ve been critical of her for years is untrue, but it’s a tired tactic of the GOP.
That’s not why anyone said you “support Hillary”. It’s because you gave a definite statement that you think she’d be a less bad President than Trump that you’d be willing to vote for her if it stopped Trump
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Mr. Mischaracterization rides again.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:37 amThe Ku Klux Klan offers support to Trump.
Remember, mere months ago I was a loyal GOP straight ticket voter. Now I refuse to vote for the GOP unless I am certain the candidate is a good person of moral character who understands and advocates for conservatism. Pushing back against my views only reinforces them, and there are millions of folks like me.
What does Romney mean by Trickle down misogyny?
Haiku said “don’t vote for the b*tch” just a few minutes ago. He really thinks Hillary’s gender is relevant. He lies so much about his views that he won’t even see it, but obviously he’s cussing about her being a woman so he’s a misogynist. It’s impressionable Team R die hards that Romney is warning us about. When the GOP nominated Trump it transformed the character of the Republican Party. The GOP abandoned the notion of decency, perhaps not understanding how critical that was.
The solution is for prominent leaders to take a stand. Every living GOP presidential candidate has done so, rejecting Trump (albeit W has been indirect about it, he has not denied his family’s comments that he will vote for Hillary).
Every time someone is so desperate in the face of a Trump loss they start telling us to vote against the mexicans or the ‘b*tch’ or for white leaders, they actually set their cause back. They offer a guy like me nothing and they lose my vote. If you want to blame the voters for that, that’s useless.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:38 am@Dustin:The Ku Klux Klan offers support to Trump.
The guilt-by-endorsement tactic beloved of SJW has no effect whatever on conservatives. Romney and McCain and George W were all endorsed by unsavory racists and anti-semites too.
They offer a guy like me nothing and they lose my vote.
Party of Stupid always reverses cause and effect. They offer you nothing, because you don’t deliver your vote. That’s how democracy actually works.
. Every living GOP presidential candidate has done so, rejecting Trump
Erm, not Ted Cruz…
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:44 amI don’t support Hillary, but she is obviously better suited for the presidency than Trump. Plenty of folks have said the same in reverse. As I’ve said a few times, I’m not going to vote for Hillary, though I definitely was intending to when I thought the election would be close.
Saying Hillary would be a better president than Trump is extremely dim praise, since Trump is so mentally unstable and such a long time supporter of the left (and I am a conservative, after all).
And would you cheer and even attempt to assist in this corruption of the democratic process if it were Texas electors saying they will deny the GOP candidate their electoral votes?
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Haiku, I will stop commenting here until your comments are placed into moderation. I’m done with the never ending dishonesty from you.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:46 amI’m surprised anyone in the Klan could get away from the assisted living facility long enough to endorse anyone. After all Matlock is on.
The Klan is what, 50 people?
The media is always trying to scare with clowns.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:46 am@Dustin:And would you cheer and even attempt to assist in this corruption of the democratic process if it were Texas electors saying they will deny the GOP candidate their electoral votes?
That’s not a “corruption” of the process. That is the process. That is what Party of Stupid can never figure out.
My comment anyway was ironic: there’s no way to know if that guy will go through with it and certainly the other 11 won’t.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:47 amAMERICAN COMMUNISTS support Hillary Clinton… http://www.cpusa.org/article/unity-can-defeat-trump-new-dangers-and-new-opportunities/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:48 amYour own words betray you, Dustin.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:49 am“Decency” LMAO.
You spend too much time reading about politics on the internet, and not watching how its played in the real world.
Politics is about power — which party gets to subjugate the other to their views and policies.
Reps who vote for Hillary are giving her the power to extinguish their party.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:49 amSo to combat the influence of a bunch of knucklehead sheet wearing imbeciles in the south I have to vote for Hillary?
Ok.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:50 am@swc: What do you think Hillary will actually be able to do to the FBI if she wins? I assume she can’t just fire everyone.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:50 amThose who think Hillary is better situated for the job than Trump.
What is it in her background that makes you think she’s actually qualified to occupy the office? Set aside her personal foibles.
Other than be a one term senator from New York in her only run for political office, what has she ever done to position herself to be President other than be a raw inside-politics brawler?
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:53 amGuess which candidate has to resort to having well-paid misogynists like Jay-Z and teh Beyoncé show up to draw crowds to her rallies?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:56 amThe FBI is already in a transformational process – you can see it already in DOJ.
The FBI has two evolving factions which are struggling against one another.
Historically the “law and order” faction of the Bureau has been buttressed by local law enforcement that jumped to federal law enforcement, and ex-military who see federal law enforcement as a continuation of their service. In broad strokes, that’s the conservative faction.
If you go back 25 years, the ranks of Bureau agents were dominated by college educated males, many with degrees in accounting or law.
Quick history on a key moment in time: Reagan signs a huge crime bill in 1984 that greatly expands the reach of federal criminal prosecutions and federal courts. That leads to a huge expansion in federal law enforcement, and by the late 1980s, a huge expansion in federal prosecutors and prosecutions. That’s the time frame I went into DOJ.
But the recession brought on by the S&L crisis caused a freeze in hiring in the early 1990s for budgetary reasons. There were no new FBI Academy classes between 1992 and 1994 IIRC. I”m very familiary with a class coming out of the Academy in early 1995 — and that class of about 110 agents had only 5 women in it, and maybe 15 minorities.
Over the past 10 years, I can pretty much guarantee you that every FBI Academy class has had at least 50% women and minorities combined, and likely more. That’s not a bad thing — the Bureau’s personnel now look much more like the community as a whole. But with that change comes a change in the politics of the bureau — but more significantly “politics” within the Bureau has become more of a flash point than was ever the case 25-30 years ago.
There are divisions among the agents along political lines, and those division play themselves out through the ranks of Bureau management as agents get promoted.
Mueller was very aggressive in promoting women speedily through the ranks of Bureau management and into SAC positions of various field offices around the country — something that was very rare prior to him becoming Director. It was rare mostly because there were very few women in the Bureau that jumped into the management tract. That tract requires a ton of moving around as you move up the chain of command, much like the military — but without the kind of support the military provides to families who are continually on the move.
So you have the two parties, and their political views, more fairly represented inside the Bureau now than was ever before the case. I think a Clinton win, given the history of the Clinton’s with the Bureau, will lead to a bloodletting in the Bureau personnel, and its effectiveness as an organization will be significantly diminished as a result — which benefits Clinton Inc.
Going to be going off for a while now so don’t think I’m ignoring responses in this thread.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:08 amswc: It’s not Hillary’s qualifications, it’s Donald’s total lack of qualifications. She may ignore the Constitution, but she does so knowingly. Can’t even say that much about Donald. And both are big government authoritarian statist. The mere fact they wish to use big government for different goals does not mean that there is anything fundamentally different.
There is also this: we can count on the GOP to reflexively challenge everything she would do, and reflexively support everything he does.
Kishnevi (1b8c69) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:22 amWednesday night Josh Feldman a partisan writer from Mediaite got himself and others all in an uproar about seeing KKK signs in the stands at Progressive Field as he watched the World Series on TV. He tweeted out his shock and horror and many others gleefully retweeted it and added their own spin to it. Then a few sane people who actually knew what they were talking about pointed out to Feldman via twitter that “K” is a baseball scoring symbol for a strikeout –and so the KKK signs he saw were fans bragging and taunting the other side that their starting pitcher had thus far recorded three strikeouts. In fact, by then, it was KKKK. Oops. Feldman was forced to apologize for his idiocy–and did– but how many of the sjw “everybody’s a racist” hysterics ever saw the retraction? Lesson here: People out looking for slights and racism will find it everywhere and around every corner. Even when it’s not there.
elissa (725e01) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:28 am@Kishnevi:we can count on the GOP to reflexively challenge everything she would do, and reflexively support everything he does.
I’m confused. Dustin assured me that the GOP leaders have repudiated Trump and now you are telling me they’ll be Trump’s lapdogs.
Be that as it may, the GOPs record of blocking Obama is not so stellar; if they didn’t bring their A game yet why not?
And further, as SWC points out, the executive has enormous power over law enforcment, as well as imposing regulations by fiat. The Clintons has thousands of Wormtongues, and each of those parasites has hangers on of their own, which will staff all levels of the executive. Much like they currently do. At least with Trump we’d get a different set of bums, easier to clean in their turn.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:29 amSo that Baer retraction a little too soon.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:29 amHillary leaves a calling card for Pat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2CX20bBNJE
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:37 am184.Seeing a lot of worried lefties. The gnashing of their teeth, rending of garments and distressed whining will be sweet music next week.
In the Grand Scheme, not really. Either way, a loss is a win.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:38 am@130 he’s not an optimum candidate
He’s better. He’s a New Yorker.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:41 amGood news. Leonard Decaprio’s precating ode to Man Bear Pig, Waiting For the Flood has went for a one day tour of the theaters straight to YouTube.
It currently has six views. I hope they aren’t counting mine. It wouldn’t be fair. I didn’t last past the opening credit.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:55 amwent from a one day tour… from.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:57 amget those animals
out of the muddy muddy
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 11:06 amPeople who hold up kkk signs at a ballpark have to be like kids who discover that ‘ass’ is in the Bible.
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/5/2016 @ 11:10 amYou’d think that the Never Trump kool-aid drinkers would be a little old to be jerking off… this youtube piece of political Onanism shows that they’re not. What trash, and a real dis-service to any serious person inside of NeverTrump…though there is little evidence that such things exist.
Bill Saracino (58adc9) — 11/5/2016 @ 11:17 am224. With a T win They are set up well for a repeat of 1982 which cursed us with Cuomo among others. They’ll get the state capitals in the Midwest back, to say nothing of the southwest and maybe FL.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 11/5/2016 @ 11:22 am==People who hold up kkk signs at a ballpark have to be like kids who discover that ‘ass’ is in the Bible.==
On what possible level did your comment even make sense to you, p&p? Counting “K”s is a huge deal in every baseball stadium in America. Apparently Feldman is not the only clueless one.
http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Meet-the-Giants-fan-who-hangs-the-K-s-4714755.php
elissa (725e01) — 11/5/2016 @ 11:23 amsomewhere in an LA office DeCario’s copyright lawyer is looking at Waiting For The Flood on YouTube with a phone in his hand.
“Meh.” he mutters, then sticks the phone back in his pocket.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/5/2016 @ 11:24 amIf you put violent criminals to the side, he might be the worst human being I have ever heard of.
See an ear doctor.
“Springtime for Hitler and Germany; winter for Poland and France….” – ‘The Producers’ 1968
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2016 @ 11:42 amshipwreckedcrew,
Texas is the big prize because we still believe in conservative policies, values, and principles — things Trump knows nothing about. What do we gain as a country with Trump? What values and ideas does he have other than not being Hillary? Any other Republican nominee except Huckabee had some conservative principles to fall back on and could have united the GOP.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:31 pmThe wall he will never build and the immigrants he will never deport?
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:34 pmBut I believe he would build a White House ballroom.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:34 pmHillary for the electric Chair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9dJY4
Jake (6faba3) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:42 pmElissa
You got me there. I have almost zero interest in sports.
The only baseball stat I know is that I graduated with the guy who hit the first home run at Coors Stadium.
You mean to tell me there aren’t a few baseball fans who don’t enjoy the double entendre of holding up a kkk sign?
Even I know who John Rocker is.
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:48 pm@236 DRJ
Have you progressed with the culture as far as calling them “immigrants”?
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:51 pmGrow up.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 12:56 pmThe Dems are playing “Risk” with he election map and you are squabbling about conservative principles. The Dems are laughing behind our backs.
The game is almost over and what Texans believe it is going to be irrelevant in New Texico.
Don’t believe me? Orange County Calif is now majority Hispanic. It won’t be long before there are no elected Republicans in Orange County.
And don’t call me a racist simply because I recognize racial gerrymandering brought about by immigration politics and am policy of amnesty.
Shipwreckedcrew (a996b3) — 11/5/2016 @ 1:17 pmRedState is so desperate wasted a 1yr going after the wrong person.
Jake (6faba3) — 11/5/2016 @ 1:31 pm“Believing in Conservative policies values and principles” is not nearly enough. Conservative policies must be allowed to be seen, replicate and flourish before they can ever fully be accepted and take hold in an increasingly socialist nation. They can not take hold until the majority of mass media and legacy university administration is utterly de-legitimized, exposed and crushed. Several right of center blogs have secured relevancy and purpose by focusing heavily on these issues even in the midst of a godforsaken presidential campaign with terrible candidates. Three that particularly stand out to me are Ace of Spades, Instapundit and LegalInsurrection.
I truly wish I knew what the goal, message, and purpose of THIS blog is anymore. What’s going to be left to say after the election? Who will be left in the commentariat after the election when so many have already fallen away or been pushed away? The early and fervent advocacy for Cruz was understandable and admirable. But once the primaries were over and the nominations of both parties were set, Pat’s sarcastic insults and venom became even more rabid even as it seemed to be increasingly pointless. I am so sorry about what has happened to one of my once-favorite blogs.
elissa (725e01) — 11/5/2016 @ 1:41 pmNow if I can just find a link between Henry Chadwick and Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Pinandpuller (dd360c) — 11/5/2016 @ 1:42 pmRemember the Alamo!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 2:10 pm“I truly wish I knew what the goal, message, and purpose of THIS blog is anymore.”
– elissa
The same as it always was – a platform for people to discuss ideas and political philosophy. This election is devoid of political philosophy, and has made that goal exceedingly difficult to accomplish, but this election will be over soon. I hope that when this election is over we can get back to business.
Leviticus (458e12) — 11/5/2016 @ 2:32 pmColonel Haiku, I can just hear Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie calling for their safe space where they’d be protected from opposing viewpoints! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/5/2016 @ 2:33 pmI hope Mr. Trump wins then we can all breathe easy
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 2:34 pmNot like it was 5 years ago, elissa! https://patterico.com/2011/12/31/my-biggest-blogging-error-in-2011/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 2:47 pmRedState bought a stock watched it go down and desperate for it to go up again. You have lost your way, cut your losses and try to recoup your readers
Jake (6faba3) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:01 pmI miss Karl
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:02 pmThat was a cool trip down memory lane, Col. What a memory you possess to have remembered that particular post by Karl and resurrect it for this occasion.
elissa (725e01) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:10 pmShipwreckedcrew,
I live in a Texas county that is over 40% Hispanic, in a majority Hispanic region of Texas, yet we are among the most solidly red parts of Texas. We don’t all agree on everything but we believe in many common values and principles. To succeed, I think communities need more to bind them than hating Hillary.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:13 pmTeam #NeverTrump is like, “Yeah, I’d prefer Loretta Lynch or Tom Perez as AG to Chris Christie or Rudy Giuliani! That’s because I’m a principled conservative!“
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:14 pmDo you read this blog, elissa?
This blog takes on the political correctness of the universities and the bias of the media.
What this blog also does — perhaps more which many appreciate but which temporarily upsets some other people in a partisan election — is take on the nominal Republican candidate for President. Because he is a horrible person and will do nothing to advance the principles that I think you and I both share.
In time, more people will appreciate what I’ve done here. In time, more and more people will even say that they weren’t saying anything different than I was saying.
And if they don’t? If I lose readers — like Mitch, who used profanity in criticizing me, got himself automatically tossed into moderation as a result, blamed me for it, and ran off in a huff?
I can live with it, because being true to myself is more important than eyeballs.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:18 pmNot worried about it. The only readers I care about are the ones who respect principles.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:20 pmIt’s sad to see so many people decide that personal choice is somehow immoral, cowardly, and un-American.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:22 pmIs this happening anywhere in the blue states, let alone with Trump in charge? I don’t see it.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:25 pmLike elissa (but for different reasons), I’m glad to read Haiku’s link to Karl’s post because it reminds me that some of the same people used the same sad tactics to support Romney that they are now using to support Trump. It’s how they operate and it says a lot about them.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:41 pmThis election is about the direction the country is going to take. Are we going to continue down the path of larger government spending, taxing,regulation,corruption, and unequal application of law, or are we going rein it in. Pragmatism is what is needed now, not principle.
nofreelunch (aef3a4) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:44 pmRomney was a better man than Trump so I could eventually support Romney. I don’t see any of those qualities in Trump, and neither does Romney.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:45 pmAnd, DRJ, some folks who attacked and ridiculed Romney endlessly are big time Trump supporters now.
It’s a strange world.
I think that we all need to have an ethos. I believe that is what Patterico is saying (or my interpretation of his logic).
The moment we violate our own ethos to vote for someone, I think we have lost any sense of moral high ground. And it encourages this bizarre alphabetist approach to politics….when the candidates are both statists.
It’s a weird election.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:47 pmPatterico–thank you for your reply. I fully accept that it is your own reputation that you believe you are overseeing and cementing as you see fit–it is your blog space to use and exploit and manage as you see fit—and most of all it is your life to lead as you see fit. My observations as a genuinely disappointed long time and pretty loyal reader are just that—observations and it’s fine that you’ve chosen to reject them out of hand so quickly. I can see that you are very sure of yourself when you say “In time, more people will appreciate what I’ve done here”. I am not so sure about that. But Godspeed. Sincerely.
elissa (725e01) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:48 pm#261: admirable words, but I see little evidence in DJT’s life of his following those principles.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:49 pmThe is no reining in with Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:50 pmLouisiana never recovered from Huey Long.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:53 pmMr. Trump has a flaw or two but he’s better than what happens when you do a diseased criminal pig all up in it
beating that pig is a sine qua non
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:57 pmSigh. The first step is, well, voting.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 3:58 pmYou make my reply sound dismissive. My reply was not dismissive. I just disagreed with you. There is a difference. You see that difference, don’t you?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:06 pmAnd some people seem hell-bent on seeing it all pissed away, just like the last time around.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:11 pmSWC and others see continued Dem control of an out of control executive branch, enabled by the media, universities, and cultural elites
as an existential threat to the country.
You can talk about personal choice and getting back to talking about political principles,
But it may make no difference anymore.
Some do not see continued rule by the Democrats and Clinton that way,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:12 pmI am not sure what further discussion is helpful at this point.
There is nothing that could be said or done that will deter me from doing what little I can to prevent Clinton being elected. I do not see the GOP being any more effective against her than against Obama.
What will they do, allow her to give only 75 billion to Iran?
Say “excuse me” when the IRS slams conservatives?
I don’t expect for Trump to do much of what he said,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:14 pmI expect Clinton will.
You tend to criticize persona before principles. Nofreelunch is correct: Pragmatism is in. Ideology is out.
He ain’t a saint and he ain’t runnin’ for Pope. But God bless him, he’s from New York, New York – a place so great, they named it twice. Which grates Texans.
“What other town has the Empire State; And a mayor, five foot two; No other town in the whole forty eight; Can half compare to you! Oh, NYC…” – ‘Annie’ – 1982
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:14 pmOne thing to point out, elissa, is that you disappeared from this site for several months beginning August 2015. So it isn’t that I came out against the Republican nominee that upset you. It was something else. The last time you offered a long discourse on the demerits of the site — a recurring pastime of yours — you cited the allegedly petty nature of the posts and the free-for-all nature of the comments.
You may have a short memory, but I have fought people insulting each other here for wayyyyy longer than a year. In fact, for the history of the blog. And it’s always been a balance between allowing a wide range of speech and preventing nastiness. I’ve tried my best to strike that balance, and I probably strike it in favor of openness more than most blogs. Whether that’s your cup of tea or not is of course up to you.
But this isn’t about the fact that I oppose the duly nominated GOP candidate. The timing does not bear that out, for you.
I’m not saying you’re claiming that. I just want it to be clear to everyone else.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:18 pmit is what it is
by god’s grace we *don’t* do that pig all up in it
and no harm no foul
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:19 pmAt some point, there needs to be some respect shown for “the process”… as flawed as it is and in need of reform it may be. Or start your own movement, or secede, whatever floats your boat.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:20 pmThe pissing away is a foregone conclusion. I plan to fight it as much as possible. You and I disagree on how. You’ll do it by voting for a long-time supporter of Hillary Clinton who favors amnesty, single-payer, and other leftist policies, and by voting down ballot for the GOP. I’ll do it by voting down ballot only. We have the same goals, but different views on how to get there.
Stop pretending like voting for the other Democrat is the only moral choice. It most assuredly isn’t. You are no better than I.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:21 pmAnother one
Jake (6faba3) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:24 pmNever claimed to be. That post wasn’t directed at you.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:25 pmOK.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:25 pmhttp://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_united_states_as_a_dam.html
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:26 pmFwiw
And neither was 277.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:30 pmI was referring to enablers on the other thread,
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/20/clinton-campaign-and-harry-reid-worked-with-nyt-to-smear-state-dept-watchdog/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:31 pmAnd it is great to read the opinion of elissa again. She classes up the place!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:32 pmIt is possible to disagree with civility and appreciation for one another.
The name calling and bile are not good.
Haidt wrote a really good essay about the aftermath of the election.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-get-beyond-our-tribal-politics-1478271810
Cicero had a point, and I have learned about it here.
You see, no matter what happens, the country is split. And we need to work together. We can start by not calling one another treasonous and so forth. Personally, I think dehumanizing people with insulting names and vulgarities is part of the problem, but that is me. Your mileages may all differ.
But we have far, far larger problems ahead than which of these poor candidates gets elected in a few days.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:35 pmAnd I have always thought the world of elissa, as well.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:36 pmI thought have him a shallow fool before, but he has removed all doubt,
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/11/msnbc-terrorism-expert-i-know-the-fbi-spy-catchers-who-took-down-victor-davis-hanson/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 4:37 pmthis is the fellow who issued the fatwa,
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/former-gitmo-detainee-al-qaeda-leader-promises-new-creative-ways-kill-americans/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:10 pmThose have become my go-to sites as well, elissa.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:15 pm#263 Simon Jester wrote, “The moment we violate our own ethos to vote for someone, I think we have lost any sense of moral high ground.”
I disagree entirely.
An election is not about moral high ground — it’s about a choice between two candidates. Ideally, at least one of them will be upstanding, but even if they’re each awful, one of them still gets to govern. So which one will it be?
When we chose to ally with the Soviet Union to defeat Hitler, did we forfeit our moral high ground? Or were we merely choosing the lesser of two evils at the time?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:16 pmTo each their own.
I remind you of the choices we face from your point of view: a felon or a fraud.
I don’t think you are bad or wrong for your choices. They are yours. Many people have died to make our choices possible.
I just prefer to stay true to the standards I have tried to live by.
Simon Jester (c63397) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:24 pmwell we have one candidate whose campaign staff was on the board of a sanctioned bank, who enabled the hacker collective through self same institution, who enabled iran’s sanction busting through another contributor,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:26 pm@291. Well said, CS. “Morality” in a political process where lies fly faster than Air Force One.
That’s rich. You know, like Trump. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:27 pm“Money makes the world go ’round! The world go ’round!…”- [Liza Minelli, Joel Grey] ‘Cabaret’ – 1972
here’s to the people who died died
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:27 pm(i used to have this girlfriend known as elsie)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:30 pm#292 Simon Jester,
Yup, we’re choosing between a felon and a fraud.
One of them gets to govern.
But abstaining from voting doesn’t give you “moral high ground.” And covering your eyes and ears won’t exclude you from their governance.
When we allied with the Soviet Union over Nazi Germany, we recognized we weren’t teaming up with the Campfire Girls. We already knew Stalin was a monster. After all, just like Trump once supported illary during the primaries in 2008, Stalin once supported a non-aggression pact with Hitler.
It’s called ‘choosing the lesser of two evils.’
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:50 pmall carrying the rizzotto tray,
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/11/04/wapos-karen-tumulty-kisses-john-podesta-dont-go-strangers/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 5:57 pm47. Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:40 pm
The only statew ith 12 Electoral votes is Washington. I need to factor that into a projectio or calculation. Are you sure he can’t be dropped from the ticket – or miss a train and not get to the meeting of Electors on December 19th and be replaced?
This is very interesting.
It’s true. It’s even in the New York Daily News. It’s fresh news, although he actually made the announcement on Friday.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/washington-state-elector-won-vote-hillary-clinton-article-1.2859045
If that vote is needed, who knows what will actually happen?
Robert Satiacum supported Sanders in the primary, which Sanders won overwhelmingly. He was picked to be an Elector probably because he is an Indian, a member of the Puyallup Tribe.
He would probably cast his vote for Bernie Sanders. They’ll let him do it if it doesn’t matter. If his vote was actually needed, who knows what would happen?
That’s one reason a 269-269 tie really isn’t. If it if within 5 votes, in this election it becomes really problematical. Trump also is likely to have a few defectors, esecially if it matters.
In the year 2000, when the end result was Bush 271, Gore 267, one of Gore’s Electors (from the District of Columbia – the other Washington) abtained, so Gore’s actual final Electoral Vote total was 266.
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:07 pm@Sammy Finkelman:Are you sure he can’t be dropped from the ticket – or miss a train and not get to the meeting of Electors on December 19th and be replaced?
The law in Washington is that electors are chosen by each ticket running by the third Tuesday in August. They can’t be changed until the day they are to meet and vote, and then only for specified reasons:
“The electors of the president and vice president shall convene at the seat of government on the day fixed by federal statute, at the hour of twelve o’clock noon of that day. If there is any vacancy in the office of an elector occasioned by death, refusal to act, neglect to attend, or otherwise, the electors present shall immediately proceed to fill it by voice vote, and plurality of votes. When all of the electors have appeared and the vacancies have been filled they shall constitute the college of electors of the state of Washington, and shall proceed to perform the duties required of them by the Constitution and laws of the United States. Any elector who votes for a person or persons not nominated by the party of which he or she is an elector is subject to a civil penalty of up to one thousand dollars.”
He would probably cast his vote for Bernie Sanders. They’ll let him do it if it doesn’t matter. If his vote was actually needed, who knows what would happen?
If Sanders, McMullin, or anyone else shows up in the EC vote then one of them will be available for Congress to select from in case no other candidate has a majority.
Though I think the consequences of Congress not picking one of the top two will probably be quite severe.
Sanders I think would be slightly worse than Trump since he’d be bringing in a lot of the Clinton/Obama people. But I’d be okay with anyone running not Hillary.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:27 pm72. Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:02 pm
Didn’t Woodrow Wilson want to make the world safe for democracy during World War I?
Woodrow Wilson was a big promoter of democracy. That had a lot to do with his intervention in Mexico. Of course there was an exception in his mind for Negroes, and maybe other uneducated categories of folks and countries. Wilson was also for plebicites to decide what country some localities belonged to. That pre-dated him a little bit. In the Balkans it led to mass murder.
Practically every country in the world today, except mostly for some Persian Gulf monarchies, pretends in some way to be a democracy. Iran, North Korea, China, all of them. That’s because of Woodrow Wilson. The United States was very powerful in 1919, more so than even in 1945.
They are still trying to fool Woodrow Wilson.
Quaddafi in Libya once was going to change the name of his country saying there was one word in the name that said it was dictatorship. It was called the Libyan People’s Socialist Arab Republic. . Fidel Castro rushed over to Libya to intervene. Quaddafi hadn’t announced the dead giveaway word, and Castro prevailed on him to keep it that way and wait till the day of a public announcement.
So when the big day came, Quaddafi announced the word.
Was it People’s?
No.
Was it Socialist?
No. Was it perhaps, Arab??
Libyan???
No. It was Republic.
The new name would be “Public.” The Libyan People’s Socialist Arab Public.
When this attracted some ridicule, they changed it in English to the Arab version of that word: Jamahariyah. It came complete with an idology and structure as to how it worked. And so it remained. It was called the Libyan People’s Socialist Arab Jamahariyah for 35 years, till 2011.
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:51 pmDemmocracy of course, was also abig thing in the 1940s. The United states was the “arsenal of democracy”
And it was strong also in the 1950s and early 1960s.
Now it gets called by people criticizing it: “Nation building”
72. Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:02 pm
The myth was that the Democratic Party ared about people- or the little guy – and it became a real myth, wth no real truth to it, during the Administration of Jimmy Carter.
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:56 pmThat goes back to Grover Cleveland I think.
http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/History/presidents/Presidents_22_Cleveland.htm
Of course Grover Cleveland’s idea of proper public service involved not helping any people.
He vetoed private Civil War pension bills dring his first term and was against helping in disasters. That attitude caused real problems in his second term, after 1892, when his whole focus was only on maintaining the value of money and not doing anything about the depression which hit just as he began his term. It led to the nomination of William Jennings Bryan in 1896. He lost, but the depression did end because of the dciscovery of gold in the Transvaal in southern Africa in 1897, and in Alaska in 1898.
Now Alexander Hamilton and Abraham Lincoln did believe that government should help create proseperity. HAmilton supported a bank to lend money (and Benjamin Franklin had been for printing paper money in Pennsylvania back in 1729) The Whigs, in between, were for “internal improvements” – maybe some of this was a bad idea.
The authors of the consitution were for promoting the progress of science and the useful arts by issuing patents and copyrights.
In Lincoln’s Administration they passed the Homestead Act, which gave away land free to anone who would farm it. Now – these were simple interventions. Not anything with complicated appplications and detailed reports about anyone’s finances.
But government created conditions for commerce. It would inevitably do something positive or negative.
I think it went away but the Clintons are bringing it back.
It’s machine politics with a veneer of ideology for everything they do.
Republicans are actually often wrong on substance too, on many things, and Democrats like it that way!
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/5/2016 @ 7:57 pmBlah blah blah …
g6loq (3a2647) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:35 pmWhen you cucks vote remember this photograph: at Nancy Reagan’s funerals
http://referentiel.nouvelobs.com/file/14953392.jpg
the lie is proferred as the truth, and vice versa.
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/04/no-bret-baiers-multi-part-scoop-fbis-clinton-probes-hasnt-debunked/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 8:59 pm“When we chose to ally with the Soviet Union to defeat Hitler, did we forfeit our moral high ground?”
– [Trump] Supporter
Yes.
This actually isn’t that hard.
Leviticus (88de19) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:14 pm@ Cruz Supporter, #255 and #297:
That’s flat-out untrue, and you’re smart enough to know it. So you’re just a liar. Big surprise, though…seeing as how you’re backing Trump, your acquaintance with the truth is likely to be fleeting at best, and then only when it serves you.
“Choosing the lesser of two evils” just means you’re choosing evil willingly.
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And I see we have another commenter at #304 who won’t be long for this blog.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:17 pmDemosthenes,
for AG, do you prefer Chris Christie or Rudy Giuliani to Loretta Lynch or Tom Perez?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:22 pmI do not prefer Chris Christie to anybody for anything. And once again, I reject the false dichotomy which is the only thing you have to offer by way of “argument.” I prefer an attorney general who will advance conservative legal principles and an originalist philosophy. Neither Lynch or Perez under Clinton, nor Christie or Giuliani under Trump, seem likely to do that.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:27 pmso don’t be sad
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:28 pmGabriel Hanna @300, quoting Washington State law
If there is any vacancy in the office of an elector occasioned by death, refusal to act, neglect to attend, or otherwise, the electors present shall immediately proceed to fill it by voice vote, and plurality of votes.
So, if his vote is crucial, to stop him, someone has got to make him miss the meeting – maybe by giving him wrong directions, or a wrong time or location, or even starting the meeting early. Note the assumption is all are from the same party. This was pprobably put in not to stop faithless electors but the loss of an Electoral vote.
Now the thing is, there can be only one additional choice besides Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, so a person with 2 Electoral votes, but not 1, might become the choice.
If there’s a tie for third place, the constitution seems to be silent but might be interpreted as narrowing it down then to two, and not four or five or more. The wording in the 12th amendment is “not exceeding three”
In the original constitution, the case of a tie between two candidates who both received a majority of the vote was specifically provided for, and if no one received a majority it said “the five highest on the list” Which could mean if there was a tie for 5th, then 6. But the 12th amendment would seem to cause a loss of a choice in the case of a tie for third, unless maybe one candidate withdrew.
In a normal year, maybe, and the bias in the normal year would be for whoever got more of the popular vote, especially if they got more than 50%.
This year 70% of the people think Donald Trump really should not be president and 60% think the same about Hillary Clinton, so I don’t think too many people would be critical. They’d be grateful.
You see?
I think who is better or worse depends on what issue you are thinking about.
Sanders would have a lot of the Obama people, but not the Clinton people. Now pressure in Congress woud affect him.
Right now, he is on a path (If the Republicans lose the majority in the Senate) to become Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. The Democrats are now giving him an important job.
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:29 pmdoing trump on the pig ain’t bad
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:30 pmDemosthenes,
Again, friend, an election is about what’s on the menu — not what you wish were on the menu.
You said it’s a lie that you prefer Lynch or Perez as AG to Christie or Giuliani, then you admit you don’t prefer Christie to Lynch or Perez.
I once saw a homeless guy who walked into a Dunkin’ Donuts and ordered a pizza.
It went something like this;
“I’m sorry, Sir, pizza’s not on the menu.”
And the homeless guy replied, “So?”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/5/2016 @ 9:43 pm@ Cruz Supporter, #313:
First, I’m not your friend. We may, at some other time, be allies working toward a common goal. But that time is not now, because you want to stop the election of an unsuitable president by trying to elect an unsuitable president. Clearly, you need to take the remedial course in irony.
Second, I don’t think you understand how preferences work. Let me spell this out for you — if possible, I would write it in crayon, which I think might increase the odds of your understanding me. I do not prefer Lynch over Christie. I do not prefer Christie over Lynch. I do not prefer Perez over Christie. I do not prefer Christie over Perez. If you don’t understand how all of those sentences can be true at the same time, then there is no conversation possible between us. Would I prefer Giuliani as AG? Not to a genuine conservative, but I would take him as the best of the lot you are offering as alternatives — if I thought (which I don’t) that an AG Giuliani would actually be a voice for justice in this country, instead of a Trump lackey.
As to your “an election is about what’s on the menu” comment, I chose from the menu already. Again, I voted for Johnson yesterday. It would not be a good meal, but it’s better than the hogslop that the Republicans and the Democrats offered me. Or, since you insist on asking me what my preferences are: I do not prefer Hillary over Trump. I do not prefer Trump over Hillary. I think both would be terrible presidents, and I decline to choose between them. I am well aware that the probablity of anyone besides the two of them being elected president is vanishingly small, if it exists at all.
And I do not care. I did my part to keep them both out of the White House. You, meanwhile, are going to do your part to install one of them. Congratulations. You suck at being an American.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:19 pmI’ll answer that. No. I have zero respect for those chumps at his point.
Patterico (bd09f6) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:29 pmGiuliani and Christie are in a race to get Mr. Trump’s shinebox.
My favorite thing about this election is how it has revealed who are the unprincipled chumps beautifully.
Patterico (bd09f6) — 11/5/2016 @ 10:33 pm@Demosthenes:I think both would be terrible presidents, and I decline to choose between them. I am well aware that the probablity of anyone besides the two of them being elected president is vanishingly small, if it exists at all.
What this implies then is that you have carefully done the cost-benefit calculation and conclude that they come out exactly equal, for President Trump or President Clinton.
Have you, and can you be so certain that you have balanced everything exactly, so certain that ou can say this:
First, I’m not your friend. We may, at some other time, be allies working toward a common goal. But that time is not now, because you want to stop the election of an unsuitable president by trying to elect an unsuitable president.
You make no allowances for having made any mistakes in your calculation? You make no allowances for reasonable men of good will to have slightly different weights to the different factors, and so their calculation comes out different?
Regardless of what happens Tuesday, all of us will need to hang together, so that we do not hang separately.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/6/2016 @ 10:09 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #317:
My refusal to vote for either Clinton or Trump does not necessarily imply that I believe they will be equally bad. I have refused to do the math, because I consider neither of them to be acceptable. I know I’ve explained this before, on this blog, and I weary of having to say the same thinggs over and over in response to challenges to my positions that are completely beside the point.
My sole calculation was that neither Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton is fit to be the President of the United States. As that is a manifest truth, I do not need to make allowances for error.
Not anymore, no. I started where our host currently is — by saying that Clinton was obviously unacceptable to me as a conservative, but that so was Trump, and so I wouldn’t be voting for either of them…but that I understood if anyone disagreed with me. I do not take that stance anymore. Any good will I ever had for Trumpers, or any tolerance for their differences of opinion that I ever harbored, vanished about a thousand “cuck”s ago. If you are voting for either Clinton or Trump, my current default stance is that you are neither reasonable nor of good will. In fact, I have said it before, again on this blog: a vote for either of them is a vote against America.
Somehow I never see you asking these questions of people like happyfeet, narciso, DCSCA, Cruz Supporter, or the colonel. Why is that?
Demosthenes (09f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 1:23 pmWell I have little respect for benhowe, for how served as a Toole for Malaysian interests, among other observances.
narciso (d1f714) — 11/6/2016 @ 1:43 pm