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11/3/2016

New National Poll: Trump Pulls Within the Margin of Error — Plus Bonus RANT

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am



A new CBS/New York Times poll shows Trump pulling within the margin of error — but Hillary is still leading, 45% to 42%. For now.

Heading into the final days of the presidential campaign, the race has settled back into a tight contest, with Hillary Clinton holding an edge over Donald J. Trump after a month of tumult. Most voters say their minds are made up and late revelations about both candidates made no significant difference to them, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll released Thursday.

Five days before Election Day, the margin between the candidates is narrow, with 45 percent of likely voters supporting Mrs. Clinton, the Democratic candidate, to 42 percent for Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee. The difference is within the poll’s margin of sampling error. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, has the support of 5 percent of likely voters, and the Green Party nominee, Jill Stein, takes 4 percent.

The poll fully prices in James Comey’s letter concerning the re-opening (yes, lefties: “re-opening”!) of the email investigation. However, because of the time it takes to conduct polls and the resultant delay, not all the new Clinton revelations (such as the Clinton Foundation investigation) were known to respondents:

The Times/CBS poll began hours after Mr. Comey’s letter became public, and most voters contacted said they had heard about the development. Even more voters said they were aware of charges that Mr. Trump had made unwanted sexual advances toward a number of women.

Yet, about six in 10 voters over all said that the 11th-hour disclosures about each candidate would make no real difference in their vote, but they were more likely to be negatively affected by the revelations about Mr. Trump than by those about Mrs. Clinton. Four in 10 likely voters said Mr. Trump’s behavior toward women made them less likely to support him while fewer, one-third, said the newest development in the F.B.I. investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s emails had that effect.

Enough with the polling news. I feel a rant coming on.

Hillary Clinton is such an awful candidate that it is in fact conceivable that we could elect, as President of the United States, a man with the political knowledge of a fourth grader and the self-centered temperament of a five-year-old. A man who tells us that under Hillary Clinton, 650 million immigrants could enter the U.S. within a week. A man who thinks that judges sign bills. A man who, when asked about the Supreme Court, immediately thinks about a Justice who criticized him. A man who can’t concentrate on anything but t*ts and p***y for more than five minutes. A man whose entire reason for existence is narcissism. A man who is, easily, the least-informed candidate to run for the Presidency in history . . . and perhaps the least-informed serious candidate for any federal elective office in decades.

Hillary is so beatable. And yet the Republican electorate picked a nasty, cruel, staggeringly dishonest, laughably ill-informed, and utterly amoral human being as the alternative.

The “Republican” has a chance of winning after eight years of government intrusion into our lives and the doubling of our national debt. Had you told me, two years ago, that I would be writing that sentence five days before the election, I would have assumed that I would be ecstatic.

But, because I do not trust the nominal Republican, and find him unstable and frightening, none of this makes me happy, in the slightest.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

172 Responses to “New National Poll: Trump Pulls Within the Margin of Error — Plus Bonus RANT”

  1. So, let me sum up.

    Trump is a narcissist of vast proportions he’ll put a gold plated, 40 ft tall Trump sign on the South Lawn. Clinton is a sucking vortex of such unimaginable depth that even gods weep in fear.

    In a few days, we’ll pick one and there will be much gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes. No matter who wins, we all lose.

    Xmas (3a75bb)

  2. Trump beat the best and brightest of the Republican Party. I wouldn’t casually write about how ignorant or stupid he is. Trump winning says a lot about the people who run the two main parties and Washington, D.C.

    Lyle Smith (8ad426)

  3. Trump beat the best and brightest of the Republican Party. I wouldn’t casually write about how ignorant or stupid he is. Trump winning says a lot about the people who run the two main parties and Washington, D.C.

    Lyle Smith

    I agree with you in part and disagree with you in part. Yes, it says a lot about both parties that Trump and Hillary, so similar, both corrupt, often closely linked in corruption, are the two choices we have.

    But no, Trump didn’t beat the best and brightest of the party. The media, the democrats, and a group of fools all worked together to create a plurality in an overcrowded field. Trump was actually the weakest GOP primary winner in a generation. One on one he wouldn’t have beat most of our candidates. So while it says a lot about the GOP that their primary is so good at picking losers, it doesn’t say that much about the candidates themselves.

    And we saw Trump bash the families of his opponents, praise the Tienanmen Square massacre, promise retaliation against free speech, and brag about groping women without consent. There’s no question this is a deeply ignorant man, but more importantly, there’s no question this is the most dangerous person we could place in the White House.

    While the media loves the horse-race aspect of these contests, I hope no one is surprised when Hillary wins in a landslide. Not only has she been consistently ahead in polling, but she has this thing called a political campaign, and Trump has the rubble left over that is the GOP. It’s not going to be close.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  4. Well the first thing was in her banker chats. Fwiw.

    narciso (d1f714)

  5. In a few days, we’ll pick one and there will be much gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes. No matter who wins, we all lose.

    Xmas

    Exactly. What’s the point in getting mad at the ‘other side’? Both sides have at least one great point: the other side’s candidate is awful.

    For years both parties have relied primarily on boogeyman fear of the other party, to the point where a lot of folks are bitter and closed minded. Neither party really has anything positive to offer, and we all lose by playing along.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  6. “none of this makes me happy, in the slightest.” I can’t think of _any_ candidate whose victory would make me “happy.” Maybe if you resurrected James Madison, George Mason, or John Adams, I’d be closer to “pleased.” But here we are, and DJT is preferable to HRC.

    gp (0c542c)

  7. Pat; I’ve enjoyed your blog, and your thoughts for the past two years. I hope I can enjoy your thoughts in the future.

    I used to write my representatives on a regular basis. Not only my representatives, but representatives of other states, the Speaker, and the Majority Leader.

    No longer. I feel it’s fruitless, they don’t listen to me.

    I believe that’s why Mr. Trump ended up the nominee. “What have you go to loose?”

    Jono (315733)

  8. Good news from Facebook (of all places). According to their Trending News widget 1 million people are talking about the “Clinton Foundation” article from Fox News headlined: ‘High Priority': FBI’s White Collar Crime Division Investigating Possible Clinton Pay-for-Play Emails
    http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/11/02/fbis-white-collar-crime-division-investigating-possible-clinton-pay-play-emails

    rfy (badb47)

  9. Considering her Benghazi debacle and her blatant email breaches of security a vote for Klinton is an act of treason.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  10. You cite CNN as your go to fact checker.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  11. Considering her Benghazi debacle and her blatant email breaches of security a vote for Klinton is an act of treason.

    Rev. Hoagie

    No, actually, in a democracy, calling for free voting to be made illegal is fascism. Everyone gets to vote for who they want and it’s no more my right to tell you who to vote for than it’s your right to demand I vote for some pervert who praises communist massacres and muses about nuking Europe.

    And besides, Trump endorsed Hillary, and therefore her actions, in recent years. So while Trump supporters who are this bent out of shape about Hillary voting should ask themselves if Trump committed treason I guess?

    Or they could accept that the GOP lost this election when it nominated a Hillary donor.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  12. I have never voted for a Clinton and I will not begin now.

    I have never voted for a Democrat nominee for President and I will not begin now.

    Jim (98dd1a)

  13. You cite CNN as your go to fact checker.

    papertiger

    They are the best cable news network right now. Is that even debatable? I say this fully aware that they are completely and shamelessly dishonest.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  14. Since they purged soles they’ve gone downhill, actually for this last year.

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. If you think having a vulgar a$$hole for president is worse than having a corrupt, criminal communist who will give away the Supreme Court PLUS another 160 federal judgeships to hard core leftists, become the first billionaire president by instituting pay to play at the presidential level, and welcome illegals from all over the world to destroy our culture and our economy then you are an idiot.

    Who in their right mind would vote to install a corrupt criminal as President of the United States unless they want to destroy our country? Who? The woman is being backed by the communist party of the United States!!!!! And you think Trump’s worse because he’s a vulgar clown?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  16. I have never voted for a Clinton and I will not begin now.

    I have never voted for a Democrat nominee for President and I will not begin now.

    Jim

    You have options. Unfortunately they won’t change the outcome, but you can make a statement.

    It’s unfortunate that Trump is a democrat nominee for president who loves Hillary and lies about everything, is sexually disgusting and compulsive, and loves communist dictators. That’s too bad. And Hillary in office would be almost as bad as Trump! Everything she touches is corrupt and broken.

    Evan McMullin is a decent alternative. Writing in Ted Cruz is what some of my friends did, however I don’t think that works well as the totals may not be reported. Gary Johnson is a bonehead version of a libertarian, but it would be healthy for a third party to gain some more clout.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  17. I’ve been reading a blogger who judging by his Red State link can’t tell the difference between a primary and a general election.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  18. If you think having a vulgar a$$hole for president is worse than having a corrupt, criminal communist who will give away the Supreme Court PLUS another 160 federal judgeships to hard core leftists, become the first billionaire president by instituting pay to play at the presidential level, and welcome illegals from all over the world to destroy our culture and our economy then you are an idiot.

    You’re right. Just being ‘vulgar’ is not worse than Trump being a corrupt and criminal communist fanboy who has promised to give the US Supreme Court over to the left, engage in pay for play like he has for decades, and impose amnesty. But I do think it’s tedious and insulting that anyone would pretend Trump’s comments about women were just ‘vulgar’. He was admitting to actions. If he was just cussing we wouldn’t care. But honestly you’re right that this is minor compared to Trump being deeply engaged in pay for play with the very democrats you oppose.

    Vote for him all day if you want. It’s a free country. But as soon as both parties nominated the same basic person, I stopped worrying that much about it. It’s a shame.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  19. Back to civics class councilor.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  20. No, actually, in a democracy, calling for free voting to be made illegal is fascism.

    You have a real bad case of putting words in my mouth, Dustin. Please highlight for me exactly where I stated any “voting to be made illegal”. I’m waiting. Still waiting.

    Everyone gets to vote for who they want and it’s no more my right to tell you who to vote for than it’s your right to demand I vote for some pervert who praises communist massacres and muses about nuking Europe.

    Please show me where I “demanded” you vote for a pervert rather than a corrupt, communist criminal like you want to. Show me. I’m waiting again.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  21. Fail to focus on the latest news and instead the latest squirrel.

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. I’ve been reading a blogger who judging by his Red State link can’t tell the difference between a primary and a general election.

    papertiger

    Yeah, you have a point. But the election was lost in the primary and it’s just a matter of the general election catching up with reality so we can start saying we told you so, which we did many times.

    The fact that so many die hard Team R guys are so angry with so many conservatives about who to vote for in the general election, in November, kinda proves the point. Trump should never have been nominated. The GOP should have thought outside the box at the convention or it should have lined up with Cruz. Everything that has happened since then was obvious. This mess we are in right now, including losing to an incredibly weak Hillary, is the option the GOP preferred to a conservative administration. It’s time to learn our lesson here. The GOP will pretend that conservatism is a hard fight just over the horizon until it comes close, then they will crash into a wall to avoid winning that fight. They do not want to reform anything and they are the primary obstacle to reform.

    The democrats represent the left. That is fair as there are lefty voters and we live in a republic. But the republicans also represent the left. This is the result of deception and it needs to be fixed somehow.

    That millions of republicans recognize Trump as the greater danger to society than the status quo is irrelevant. The real election already happened and we lost.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  23. Fail to focus on the latest news and instead the latest squirrel.

    narciso

    News Flash from several months ago: Hillary deleted emails that were confidential and she’s in bed with the media.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  24. Like the investigation that was touched by schweitzer, o’keefe drawing blood,

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. If Judges don’t sign bills gay marriage is illegal in California. Will of the people and all that. Illegal aliens can’t benefit or use public services. English is the official language.
    Jerry Brown can’t be Governor because he already had his two terms.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  26. So now in a desperate attempt to paint Trump as Killary you project all her crap to him. Please stop! You sound like those little children on HuffPo and other leftist sites. If they’re the same then vote for him. If they’re “the same” at least he’s a Republican.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  27. One could also argue that we might elect someone who has prostituted the office of SoS and helped corrupt the FBI and the DOJ and has acted the mole at the highest levels of our government for essentially all of our major enemies.

    The choice, as I see it, is between
    an arrogant, crude, and foolish megalomaniac who will have significant opposition,
    and,
    someone who will further erode the rule of law and advance the weaponization of the federal bureaucracy against her political enemies in ways Nixon and Hoover would never have dreamed of,
    and who will be enabled in it by the press.

    For me the choice is simple,
    once the rule of law is gone,
    the rule of law is gone,
    and what comes next will be very ugly.

    And it should not be lost that the nation is in trouble when these two end up being our choice.

    On a momentary lighter note,
    Congrats Cub fans.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  28. For the rule of law to be restored in this country, it is necessary that we impeach a president. FOr that reason alone, I support Donald Trump.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  29. You have a real bad case of putting words in my mouth, Dustin. Please highlight for me exactly where I stated any “voting to be made illegal”. I’m waiting. Still waiting.

    Well that’s easy.

    Considering her Benghazi debacle and her blatant email breaches of security a vote for Klinton is an act of treason.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:46 am

    Treason is illegal. You said that a vote for Hillary should be considered treason. So I guess I have a bad case of calling you out accurately and like many Trump fans, you have responded to the discussion with insults and personal stuff instead of sticking to the ideas and having an enjoyable discussion about politics. Honestly the internet is just crammed full of people who seem absolutely miserable to be discussing politics, yet it’s all they do.

    Let it be said that according to Hoagie, millions of people committed treason by voting a way Hoagie deems treasonous. The penalty for treason is death, of course. This is what Trump does, because how else do you argue for him? You can’t actually say ‘here’s where Trump is an inspiring and great leader’, so you have to really dig into how terrible Hillary is. It’s not hard to point out that Hillary is terrible because she is terrible, but this is all a lazy way of overlooking that Trump is also terrible.

    It’s not treason or any other crime to say so.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  30. Turn on the delta pumps because a bait fish imported as a food stuff for imported salmon can’t be given protection as an endangered species, if Judges can set policy. Native farmers TRUMP imported fish.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  31. That classical historian, Strauss has never heard of proscription

    narciso (d1f714)

  32. Watching Trump’s supporters has proven wrong the notion that ‘it could never happen here’. Fascism would follow a leader like Trump and his supporters would cheer. What Obama did with the IRS is just the beginning.

    Stopping this is the most important priority to me when I vote.

    But then there’s the real problem. Somewhere Hillary’s fans are also out there saying that if you vote for Trump you’re committing an act of treason. They want the same stuff Trump’s fans want. And the rest of us, the actual patriots who love this nation’s values and would never call a peaceful vote an act of treason are stuck in the middle of a fight between two mirror images of fascism.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  33. narciso @24. You mean “touched off” by Peter Schweizer.

    Sammy Finkelman (3fda43)

  34. Who would have the bureaucracy behind them, they have been seeded like facehuggers, for a decade.

    narciso (d1f714)

  35. For the rule of law to be restored in this country, it is necessary that we impeach a president. FOr that reason alone, I support Donald Trump.

    Kevin M

    My hope is very similar to yours, in hoping that Hillary (who is basically the inevitable winner of the election at this point) is so hampered by her email scandal and the fact that she struggled to beat a dumpster fire, that she is politically enfeebled. Perhaps resigns. And at least with either Hillary or Trump everyone sane is admitting the emperor has no clothes. That’s the silver lining after eight years of Obama.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  36. No the same people, full vizzini, will let her skate.

    narciso (d1f714)

  37. More okeefe involving podesta.

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. “(Trump is) a man with the political knowledge of a fourth grader ….” — Patterico

    But he’s right about one thing. Hillary belongs in prison.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  39. As opposed to summa cum laude clem?

    narciso (d1f714)

  40. The one who strove to keep the most vicious killer out of the electric chair.

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. But he’s right about one thing. Hillary belongs in prison.

    AZ Bob

    Her criminality is the most frustrating thing about this election. Trump is so terrible that she’s going to get away with it, and the corrosive impact on politics won’t be appreciated for years unless something changes to rebuke her.

    The GOP candidate praising Hillary after Benghazi kinda makes it hard to vote for him on the basis of how bad Hillary is. But she is still that bad. In fact, while I don’t really believe Trump is trying to help Hillary win, I don’t find it totally absurd either.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  42. Why they were pulling that same stunt back in 96, drawing every penny fro the legion of doom, but the Thompson commitee, that would show them, heh.

    narciso (d1f714)

  43. You see dustin, my memory is very long and we’ve already seen the future.

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. They were doing this while aq was on the march, and the country was focused on oj simpson, what dolly we entertained ourselves with then.

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. Dustin

    If Trump pulls it out and wins, I’m going to gloat enough for the both of us.

    Pinandpuller (dd360c)

  46. Don’t worry, Dustin, I’m sure some meddling kids will show up before long.

    Pinandpuller (dd360c)

  47. Now its true, this will be a holding action.

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. Trump says Japan and South Korea need to step up and pay the cost of their own security and defense.

    CNN reports that as Trump implies Japan and South Korea need nukes.

    And worse, run off to the nearest Japanese diplomat to get comment on their innuendo.

    Then Obama says we don’t operate on innuendo.

    Depends on your definition of “we”.

    Oh look! http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-hits-donald-trump-on-nuclear-weapons-in-ohio/

    papertiger (c8116c)

  49. Dustin,

    While I almost always agree with you, on the Hillary issue I have to demur. I want President Pence, not President Kaine. It’s important.

    The Dems will never impeach, just as they are backing Hillary to the hilt despite the scandals oozing out of her ears. Republicans have no problem seeing fault in their own when there is fault and cleaning house. Part of the reason that people of character tend to be Republicans.

    So, since there is no clear reason to support Hillary over Trump (which is crazier? to what purpose is Hillary’s greater knowledge?) the question becomes “which of these bottom-feeding scum do you choose?” Up to now my answer has been “Neither. Where’s SMOD?”, BUt SMOD seems unwilling to smite them, or put us out of our misery. So, I pick Trump and hope for SMOD later.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  50. “You have a real bad case of putting words in my mouth, Dustin. Please highlight for me exactly where I stated any “voting to be made illegal”. I’m waiting. Still waiting.”

    Mischaracterization and impugning motivation are his stock in trade.

    Colonel Haiku (ede614)

  51. Trump is an idiot for suggesting more countries get nukes.

    The chance of nukes getting used goes up with more countries having nukes. And once it starts, one more nuke isn’t so unthinkable.

    A better approach would be to say that North Korea will give up their nukes shortly after he takes office, or become an example of why getting nukes is really bad for your national security.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  52. News Flash from several months ago: Hillary deleted emails that were confidential and she’s in bed with the media.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:13 am
    ===========================================

    That’s about as simple-minded an interpretation of the current situation as you will encounter.

    Colonel Haiku (ede614)

  53. Jill Stein, who is running for President I guess; “Hillary Clinton is the queen of corruption.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-11-03/jill-stein-hillary-clinton-is-queen-of-corruption

    Bernie Sanders abandons Clinton in final week.

    http://observer.com/2016/11/bernie-sanders-abandons-clinton-in-final-week/#.WBrtpyoABTY.facebook

    What took him so long?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  54. papertiger, @30, striped bass are the imported species that feasts on delta smelt. And those nasty pumps also suck up about 10% of the young striped bass. Salmon are present and benefit from the smelt, but I believe they are native. Those thoughts aside, you have selected a good example of why so many people are disgusted with the management of our society by judges and regulatory agencies.

    We have been watching the salmon disappear from Puget Sound for generations, and about all the regulators can figure out is that it must be hydro-electric dams and anti-fouling paint on a diminishing number of pleasure boats. This despite plentiful runs decades ago when both dams and anti-fouling paint were both present. The reason for the agencies’ conclusions are that these activities fall under their control. The notion that foreign fisherman, operating well offshore in the Pacific, might have some bearing on the problem is dismissed. As are native American fishermen within Puget Sound who routinely devastate small, localized native runs. Why? Because our regulators can’t control them.

    In the end, it is all about control. It is better for the regulatory agency that the real problem grow worse rather than be solved. Because this will lead to more funding and more control. And more Judges playing god.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  55. Here is the Clinton spin on the FBI investigation:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/fbi-investigation-clinton-foundation-peter-schweizer-breitbart

    Basically, any FBI agents who wanted to investigate the Clintons were paying attention to something promoted by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. That’s all you need to say.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  56. In the end, it is all about control. It is better for the regulatory agency that the real problem grow worse rather than be solved. Because this will lead to more funding and more control. And more Judges playing god.
    BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 11/3/2016 @ 11:56 am

    Which is also why the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty have been so immensely successful. The object isn’t to wipe out drug use or raise everybody out of poverty. The object is to “manage” these problems and build a voting block of victim-recipients on one side and another voting block of union bureaucrats and administrators on the other. Both working against each others best interests and both voting democrat. What a system!

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  57. Ben Shapiro has a novel just out that may give you nightmares,
    too close to the truth.

    What Kevin said,
    Obama will pardon Clinton and she will never be impeached even if Putin reads her emails on YouTube,
    and we find Stevens was killed because of hacked emails,
    And …
    And …
    And ……

    What Clintonistas want is power over whoever they don’t like,
    which is most of us here,
    they even want power over Leviticus,

    What many of the Trumpsters want is for the Clintonistas and their GOPe enablers to be stopped,
    They may have fallen for a con, but I can agree with some of what they want,
    even if I protest the messenger.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  58. Enough with the polling news. I feel a rant coming on.

    More like a tantrum. Which says more of who the fourth grader and five year old actually is.
    And Ted Cruz announced he voted for him, too. Thank God this will be over on Tuesday.

    “This just isn’t your day, is it.” – James Bond, 007 [Sean Connery] ‘From Russia With Love,’ 1963

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. Notice – – noen of this is coming directly from Clinton people. They get media outlets to say these things – at least first.

    If they find any errors in the Peter Schweizer book – and unless he was very careful, there should be some, including some red herrings Bill Clinton and others laid down – they’ll use it to say everything in the book that detracts from the reputation of the Clintons is wrong, with several not truly serious exceptions they will grant. (A person is allowed, and even encouraged to say, for instance, that they have a penchant for secrecy and cover up things for no reason at all!)

    The thing is also, if you need to be very careful with accusations against thewe Clintons , that slows down reporters in general.

    They do this without any help from libel laws.

    Although they may use all kinds of other phony claims about laws, like the claim the FBI Director James Comey possibly violated the Hatch Act, when he did what he had actually promised a Congressional Committee he would do.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  60. Patterico, what a rancid rant!

    This whole election cycle, Democrats have been trying to obscure the distinction between legal and illegal immigration, and to promote open borders in private while denying it in public. If the borders are opened, then, yes, hundreds of millions of people could immigrate here within a week. And Democratic policies are already making that happen, though more slowly.

    As for judges “signing bills”, he said that ONCE during a primary debate in Texas, referring to a decision that both his sister and then-Judge Alito signed onto (though Alito concurred in the decision only rather than concurring with the sister’s opinion). I suppose you’re also going to condemn Ronald Reagan for saying that judges should stop legislating from the bench? After all, judges don’t “legislate” any more than they “sign bills”, right? I cannot believe you’re nitpicking Trump this way, a candidate who has said this about legislating from the bench:

    Justice Scalia was a remarkable person and a brilliant Supreme Court Justice. His career was defined by his reverence for the Constitution and his legacy of protecting Americans’ most cherished freedoms. He was a Justice who did not believe in legislating from the bench and he is a person whom I held in the highest regard and will always greatly respect his intelligence and conviction to uphold the Constitution of our country. The following list of potential Supreme Court justices is representative of the kind of constitutional principles I value and, as President, I plan to use this list as a guide to nominate our next United States Supreme Court Justices.

    Just a reminder: at a GOP debate in 2007, at the Reagan Library, the moderator asked, “Would the day that Roe v. Wade is repealed be a good day for Americans?” None of them nit picked that judicial decisions can be overturned but not “repealed”. Romney: “Absolutely.” Mike Huckabee: “Most certainly.” On down the line of candidates until it was Giuliani’s turn. “It would be okay,” he said. “Okay to repeal?” the moderator asked incredulously. “It would be okay to repeal,” Giuliani replied. “Or it would be okay also if a strict constructionist judge viewed it as precedent.”

    Andrew (c35f78)

  61. DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/3/2016 @ 12:38 pm

    Thank God this will be over on Tuesday.

    I would say:

    Thank God if it isn’t.

    And I think others here share my feelings.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  62. Cruz votes for Trump,
    Cruz stumps with Pence for Trump,
    JR within margin of error of Maudie and she spent so much more and he so much less…
    Cubs win World Series after 108 years…

    “Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!” – Dr. Peter Venkman [Bill Murray] ‘Ghostbusters’ 1984

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. Maudie in Winterville, NC.,:

    ‘The last time the Cubs won women couldn’t vote.’
    ‘We gotta do something about the weather.’
    ‘Let’s make more history…’

    Bake cookies.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. @51- Don’t be silly. It’s a bargaining chip.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. Andrew (c35f78) — 11/3/2016 @ 12:39 pm

    Democrats have been trying to obscure the distinction between legal and illegal immigration,

    No, they haven’t made any distinction at all. They are not trying to obscure it.

    It’s Republicans who have tried to obscure the difference.

    In their universe, you would think there are only American citizens and illegal immigrants, and only people who can vote can get driver’s licenses.

    and to promote open borders in private while denying it in public.

    Hillary Clinton was actually limiting herself in that speech to Brazlian bankers to the Western Hemisphere, and included it as part of a free trade zone, but who’s paying attention? Not that she’s serious anyway, of course. Well, she did say it was a dream. Dreams can be and sometimes are by definition, unrealistic.And aren’t there things you can use to slow them dowm, or channel them, without getting us to the point of outright prohibiting most people?

    And if necessity is a reason, then what’s the argument against periodic amnesties?? Fairness? Who’s arguing for that kind of fairness? Besides there is a difference between crushing a dream and ruining someone’s life. Ruining someone’s life is worse than crushing a dream.

    Now, you might get 50 million in one year, if it was allowed, but then again prohibited, and there was a deadline while it was still legal, and there was no place else to go also. Maybe that will happen in 20 years.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  66. I don’t want to wander too much off topic, but…

    Andrew says:

    If the borders are opened, then, yes, hundreds of millions of people could immigrate here within a week.

    Aren’t there here some practical difficulties with that? Where will you find the ships and the airplanes to carry them? Who will pay for the transportation? Have you ever heard of a bell curve?

    If you open a store, what’s preventing all customers from coming in at precisely 11:36 am?

    Obviously, we need all stores to require people to get tickets in advance.

    Maybe we need quotas on the number and kind of cars who can use highways. After all, millions of cars ans trucks might try to use the George Washington Bridge at the same time if that was legal.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  67. #66 Sammy,

    C’mon, you know that the Fire Marshal sets a ‘maximum occupancy’ for a place of business.
    And “millions” of cars and trucks do use the George Washington Bridge at the same time — it’s called “rush hour.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  68. Heh heh, Dustin. Trump loves Hillary but lies about everything?

    You believe him when it suits you. Just like everyone else.

    Pinandpuller (dd360c)

  69. You left out calling Trump a White Male, over 40.

    lynndh (39eade)

  70. Trump is the only candidate who could come within 15 points of Hillary so it’s cute watching the stabbies talk about how beatable she is. It really sucks for the future that Trump is the only person capable of making a contest of it. Republican policies such as destroying the middle class and mass importation of Democrat demographics have destroyed their future.

    Jcurtis (040b6c)

  71. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/3/2016 @ 1:15 pm

    C’mon, you know that the Fire Marshal sets a ‘maximum occupancy’ for a place of business. </blockquote. Yes, but usually no measures are taken in order to prevent that. Something special has to occur.

    During a blackout they will sometimes allow only a few at a time. Then actually also the capacity of the store to handle people has gone down. They may say all cash, maybe even even dollar amounts.

    And “millions” of cars and trucks do use the George Washington Bridge at the same time — it’s called “rush hour.”

    Millions of commuters, commute but not all to and from Bergen or Hudson County and not all use the bridge, and they don’t go on at the same time – there’s no need for rationing.

    When they do want to cut back, they usually make some changes that will affect what people do. Sometimes you can have pthings like high occupancy vehicle lanes. They were retricting traffic across the East River aftr Sept 11th, but not by having people apply in advance.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  72. Heh heh, Dustin. Trump loves Hillary but lies about everything?

    You believe him when it suits you. Just like everyone else.

    Pinandpuller

    Actually I’m more of a fan of ‘actions speak louder than words’. When Trump invited the Clinton family to his own family’s intimate affairs, gave them money, publicly dismissed the notion Benghazi was a significant issue, and voted for Hillary for president, those were actions. They contradict Trump’s words in the GOP primary just as almost all of Trump’s actions do.

    But Trump and Hillary are very similar and neither worthy of the presidency. Those who reject just one of them and promote the other are misguided. Those who are picking the least scary prospect are more in line with my thinking.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  73. Remember, if you believe that Trump is actually within the margin of error in this election, you agree with DCSCA. Nuff said.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  74. Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/3/2016 @ 11:34 am

    A better approach would be to say that North Korea will give up their nukes shortly after he takes office, or become an example of why getting nukes is really bad for your national security.

    Well, there was what Hillary once said – that North Korea is not enhancing its survival with nuclear weapons – but of course North Korea doesn’t want them for defense. They’re still dreaming of conquering South Korea. The idea has never gone away.

    I think one thing that might be worth considering is a simple declaration that if North Korea uses a nuclear weapon, other than in a test, China will be held responsible, and any retaliation will be, not against North Korea, but against China, unless they have disassociated themselves completely from the North Korean military before, or will co-operate in quickly getting rid of Kim Jong Un – and even then, the government of China would have to resign and by that we mean Xi Jinping from his leadership of the Communist Party and his positions in the military, and they have to let the United States, South Korea and Japan make a full inquiry free to talk to anyone in China and obtain any documents they want.

    And say: We will brook no nonsense about North Korea having acted independently, if there is the slightest possibility that that is not the case. Any doubt will be resolved in favor of China being responsible.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  75. #72 Dustin, you asserted that Trump voted for Hillary for President.
    You’re often litigating technicalities, so let’s be technical and acknowledge that Trump supported Hillary in the 2008 PRIMARIES against Obama.
    But in the general election that year, Trump supported McCain for President.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  76. Cruz Supporter is right. Trump did in fact vote for Hillary for president, as Cruz Supporter claims. He also says that George W Bush was the worst president in American history and should face criminal charges.

    Those who think voting for Hillary is a terrible idea should consider Trump’s judgment, since he did indeed mark a ballot for Hillary, donate to her for president, conduct political activism for her, and even show up on national TV many times to explain she would be a great president.

    Technically.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  77. Trump is the only candidate who could come within 15 points of Hillary so it’s cute watching the stabbies talk about how beatable she is. It really sucks for the future that Trump is the only person capable of making a contest of it. Republican policies such as destroying the middle class and mass importation of Democrat demographics have destroyed their future.

    Jcurtis

    Hillary has crashed and burned badly! I knew she was a weak candidate but she’s been terrible! She barely does anything, sounds like inhuman when she gives a speech or laughs, and her corruption has been revealed over and over. Rubio would be walking away with this (and I can’t stand Rubio). Cruz would have given the nation a real choice between conservatism and responsibility and progressivism and burning through our future. Scott Walker would have crushed Hillary.

    It blows my mind that you think Hillary would be more than 15 points ahead of any of these guys. I can see saying ‘well, you don’t like Trump but that’s all you’ve got if you want to beat Hillary’, but saying Trump has been proven the right nominee to beat her is just plain ridiculous. Or silly trolling, I hope.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  78. While I agree with some of what is said, one has to take note.

    Since Bannon and KellyAnne came aboard, Donald has been much more reigned in. Perhaps it is his lust form power, perhaps it is not.

    However, I do think it demonstrates his ability, however you want to measure it, the ability to listen to others. Not all the time, but at least in this last month or so, to listen.

    And that’s why I’m not scared if he wins. He will align and hire good people Trump wants to be a good president. I think, however little you may agree, that he can listen to others.

    For Hillary, winning is the defining moment. She has demonstrated that she cannot listen to others. And won’t. I believe the emails bare this out.

    Hillary needs to be president to be successful. Think I’m wrong? If she loses the Clinton Foundation will be a quick fade to memory . . and then what? Who is going to put this person on their Board of Directors? Trump? He wants to be a successful president. If he doesn’t win, he’s back in show biz.

    Steve_in_SoCal (58e1f9)

  79. But in the general election that year, Trump supported McCain for President.

    Cruz Supporter

    Trump supported Obama with this remark:

    As of October of 2008, the U.S. government reported a $237 billion deficit. The good news is that Obama seems to be well aware of the situation. His comments have led me to believe that he understands how the economy works on a comprehensive level. He has also surrounded himself with very competent people, and that’s the mark of a strong leader. I have confidence he will do his best, and we have someone who is serious about resolving the problems we have and will be facing in the future.

    Oh and this one

    Trump also gave his assessment of Barack Obama the man, stating, “Well, I think he’s sort of a guy that just has a wonderful personality, a good speaker, somebody that people trust. And I also think that the comparison with his predecessor is so different — it’s so huge that it really has made a great impact on people.”

    Overall, “I think he’s doing a really good job… He’s totally a champion,” Trump told King.

    Cruz Supporter provides no link showing Trump voted for Mccain, and his praise of Obama is generous and lines up with Trump’s serial infatuation with liberal democrats.

    And who can forget Trump slamming Mccain for being a POW. But hey, Cruz Supporter says Trump preferred the guy Trump appears to hate over the guy Trump appears to love, and Trump is totally honest and straightforward. I think that seals the deal!

    One thing is clear, if you think Obama is doing a great job, Trump agrees with you. If you think Obama was far better than Bush, Trump agrees with you. If you think Benghazi is a nothing issue that should be dismissed, Trump agrees with you. Until Trump runs in the GOP primary, at least. Technically.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  80. Mr. Trump just needs to keep facing down that pig

    America’s counting on you Mr. Trump

    i’m so grateful you’re fighting for us sometimes i get a little emotional

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  81. Steve, not only would Trump put Hillary on a board, he would appoint her to be his Secretary of State. He thinks she did an awesome job and was hugely in favor of that appointment.

    Actions over words when you watch a con man.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  82. Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton would make a Great President.

    I know Hillary and I think she’d make a great president or vice-president. Hillary is smart, tough and a very nice person, so is her husband. Bill Clinton was a great president. They are fine people. Hillary was roughed up by the media, and it was a tough campaign for her, but she’s a great trooper. Her history is far from being over.

    Doesn’t really sound like a Mccain endorsement for some reason.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  83. What Cruz Supporter isn’t telling you is that the reason Trump didn’t endorse Obama in the 2008 election was that he was mad that Obama didn’t pick Hillary as his running mate.

    “I don’t understand why Hillary wasn’t chosen [for vice president],” Trump said. “ She was really winning. I have a friend that came to this country and was here for the last four weeks of that whole election. He said: How did she lose? She won every primary? He didn’t understand it.

    “The fact is, that Obama went limping across the finish line. He should have chosen Hillary, It would have been a much different race, I believe. Right now, it looks to me like McCain is probably winning.”

    It’s uncanny how tight Trump is with Hillary. He really cares about her political fortunes. How coincidental that Trump is the only reason Hillary will make it to the White House.

    Trump reached out to Clinton “a few times” before the businessman decided to run for the Republican presidential nomination. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton’s wife, was already running for president at the time.

    How odd that Trump wouldn’t decide to run in the GOP primary without consulting with the Clintons. If Cruz had to meet with Obama before he ran I bet Cruz’s critics (like Concerned Cruz Supporter) would say something about it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  84. Trump’s support of Clinton was likely a recognizing the greater danger of Obama and putting forh a good faith effort to stop him sooner rather than later. He probably thought Giuliani would emerge with or without his help in the R primary.

    urbanleftbehind (a30777)

  85. I understand I’m late to the conversation, but some of have to work for a living.

    I thought I’d come over here and peruse a couple articles, read some comments just to gage where things stand a few days from the election, and not comment.But Dustin you drive me crazy. Somehow the other respondents have put you on some kind of a pedestal, allowing you some extra special dispensation for trash talking out the side of your mouth. Well I think your full of kangaroo poop in most of your assertions. I’ll just say Trump was smart enough to wrangle his way by hook or by crook to with-in striking distance of the very top job in the country, at worst he ends in 2nd place. I would defend Trump point for point against you anytime (but not today).

    I’ll talk to you on the 9th in the morning after Trump wins, I’m taking the day off. Vote Truump.

    tonynoboloney (280edb)

  86. Mr. Trump rises above

    happyfeet (a95672)

  87. Trump’s support of Clinton was likely a recognizing the greater danger of Obama and putting forh a good faith effort to stop him sooner rather than later. He probably thought Giuliani would emerge with or without his help in the R primary.

    urbanleftbehind

    Interesting that you say this, given my quote of Trump above where Trump says that Obama is wonderful, trustworthy, and doing a great job. If you actually pay attention to Trump, it’s George W Bush that Trump thought was the great threat, and Obama who saved the day.

    And of course Trump was fawning over Hillary throughout the primary and general election campaigns, and for years after. In fact, Trump went on TV to explain that Hillary did a great job as Secretary of State and Benghazi was not important.

    But sure, secretly, Trump was against everything he claimed to stand for then. Or is it now?

    What do the GOP’s recent presidential candidates think?

    John Mccain (RINO-AZ): “In addition to my well known differences with Donald Trump on public policy issues, I have raised questions about his character after his comments on Prisoners of War, the Khan Gold Star family, Judge Curiel and earlier inappropriate comments about women. Just this week, he made outrageous statements about the innocent men in the Central Park Five case.

    “As I said yesterday, there are no excuses for Donald Trump’s offensive and demeaning comments in the just released video; no woman should ever be victimized by this kind of inappropriate behavior. He alone bears the burden of his conduct and alone should suffer the consequences.

    “I have wanted to support the candidate our party nominated. He was not my choice, but as a past nominee, I thought it important I respect the fact that Donald Trump won a majority of the delegates by the rules our party set. I thought I owed his supporters that deference.

    “But Donald Trump’s behavior this week, concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy. Cindy, with her strong background in human rights and respect for women fully agrees with me in this.

    “Cindy and I will not vote for Donald Trump. I have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate and we will not vote for Hillary Clinton. We will write in the name of some good conservative Republican who is qualified to be President.”

    ————-

    Mitt Romney, one of the most vocal conservatives opposed to Donald Trump’s candidacy, condemned comments the Republican nominee made degrading women as “vile degradations” that “demean our wives and daughters and corrupt America’s face to the world.”

    “Hitting on married women? Condoning assault? Such vile degradations demean our wives and daughters and corrupt America’s face to the world,” Romney, the Republican Party’s 2012 presidential nominee, wrote on Twitter early Friday evening.

    Trump is facing widespread condemnation from both Democrats and members of his own party in the wake of revelations that he made a series of aggressively sexual comments about women, bragging about groping them and trying to have sex with them, in a private conversation in 2005.

    In the conversation, he says to “Access Hollywood’s” Billy Bush that “I don’t even wait” to kiss women and described grabbing them by their genitals.

    The Washington Post published audio and video from the conversation, caught by a hot microphone, on Friday, prompting Trump to release a short statement apologizing for causing offense without saying he was sorry for making the comments.

    Romney has refused to support Trump’s run for president, even after he became the Republican nominee, and has warned that a Trump presidency could cause “trickle-down racism, trickle-down bigotry, trickle-down misogyny.”

    ——

    George P. Bush said Tuesday that his uncle, former President George W. Bush, may join his grandfather George H.W. Bush in casting his ballot for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, according to the Associated Press.

    The Texas land commissioner made the comments while addressing a small Republican rally in San Marcos, Texas, on Tuesday night, saying that both former presidents in the family may “potentially” vote for the Democratic presidential ticket come Election Day.

    Wow. That’s 4 for 4 against!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  88. actually trump bundled for maverick, fwiw, and for romney, now he didn’t like w, and slobbered over obama in his first year, then again so did krauthammer, will, et al,

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. Trump is the best chance of all for to beat that pig

    happyfeet (a95672)

  90. Trump said this, Trump said that, Trump like Killary, Trump wants sex with Putin, blah, blah, blah.

    Trump never compromised the security of the United States to protect his butt from the FOIA.
    Trump never let four subordinates be murdered in Benghazi then lie to their families.
    Trump never used his political position to gain wealth at the expense of the Republic.

    A vote for Kliiary is the same as treason.

    https://mail.verizon.com/webmail/driver?nimlet=download&fid=x+hillary&mid=96&partIndex=1&disp=inline

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  91. now it’s entirely possible that north korea, might have gotten the bomb, earlier, they had forty years of russian and chinese imput, but wendy sherman, made the process much easier, and likely touches off an nuclear arms race in the pacific basin, similar the iran deal will do much to put those type of devices into the hands of alqueda, ‘the sum of all fears’

    narciso (d1f714)

  92. The national polls are virtually meaningless. It’s the Electoral College map–and, specifically–the swing states and firewall states that matter.

    Someone could win 100% of the vote in the most populous states and still lose the election–from an Electoral College perspective, there’s no difference between winning a state by a 1% margin and winning it by a 100% margin.

    I wish the pollsters would just ignore the safe states altogether.

    DavidD (61ff8b)

  93. Oh Dustin, stop with your Salem book-burning theatrics.

    Trump said he supported Hillary against Obama in the 2008 primaries.
    But he also said on Larry King Live that he was voting for McCain against Obama in the actual general election.

    You’ve said you’re voting for Hillary in 2016, so, why are you busting on Trump for doing something in 2008 that you’re doing in 2016? (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  94. he likes burning straw men, and on occasion straw women,

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. as I pointed out before, clinton was not checked significantly after 1996, and even after bush, there was a proforma investigation into the foundation rising out of the rich pardon which was closed in 2005, who did that btw, inspector dreyfus,

    narciso (d1f714)

  96. I don’t know why autocorrect put ailes and soles in the same basket, might have been freudian,

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. Trump beat the best and brightest of the Republican Party. I wouldn’t casually write about how ignorant or stupid he is. Trump winning says a lot about the people who run the two main parties and Washington, D.C.

    Lyle Smith (8ad426) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:23 am

    Trump won because his presence turned what should have been a sober, solemn attempt to put a capable Chief Executive in the Oval Office into a pissing match. And winning pissing matches is how he’s made his fortune. Not to say they haven’t thoroughly earned our contempt, but if people didn’t have more hatred for Obama and Hillary than they had respect for the Office of the President of the United States, we could be looking forward to HRC’s karmic smackdown with hope for what comes afterward. In honesty, we have no reason to do so; “we” have chosen to reject a corrupt, dishonest, unqualified, fascistic bucket of slime in favor of a corrupt, dishonest, unqualified fascistic bucket of slime.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  98. and romney painted newt as a spendthrift sandinista, and I forget what he did to santorum with 100 million, and then was a basenghi in the campaign, it’s not bean bag, it’s like grapeshot,

    narciso (d1f714)

  99. of course there are this whole host of characters around red queen, who are like the guest villains on burn notice, various smugglers, embezzlers, oligarchs, warlords, russian banks who have been sanctioned, sundry north african and gulf potentates, the potash concession in morocco,

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. Just voted, gang. Not for Clinton, and not for Trump. Get this: if enough of you join in this endeavor, we will have a president who is neither Clinton nor Trump! Isn’t that exciting?!

    Leviticus (88de19)

  101. perhaps he was training when were focusing on oj or ellen degeneres, pressing issues back then,

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2016/11/al-qaeda-veteran-in-syria-was-planning-attacks-against-the-west.php

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. Mr. Trump put paid to the hyper-entitled pig-sniffing bush klan

    he put paid to pervert Mitt Romney’s vile molestations of the GOP

    he put paid to the idea that snooty sore loser harvardtrash Ted has the character to be a national leader

    and he’s gonna put paid to that pig

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  103. now she’s crazy as a fruitbat, but rather attractive, unlike the wackoff, rhymes with,

    http://time.com/4551478/hillary-clinton-bad-men/?xid=homepage

    narciso (d1f714)

  104. Dustin says that

    Rebecca Shabad who works for CBSnews [online version](no recommendation for any sentient human) claims,

    that Buzzfeed unearthed an archived webpage of a blog

    posted on http://www.trumpuniversity.com

    from March 2008 when the Democratic primary was still undecided,

    purporting to show Donald Trump saying something nice about Hillary Clinton.

    That’s what we call a shakey chain of evidence.

    I wouldn’t trust anyone involved with so much as a burger order.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  105. he had also supported guiliani, but the great wisdom of the electorate that picked maverick bore him out,

    narciso (d1f714)

  106. well she was initially attractive, maybe not so much now,

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. Don’t fret about it papertiger. Just remember anything Trump may have said or done to, for, with or about anyone or anything we don’t agree with he did when he was a democrat. Now he’s a Republican and anyone who votes for Killary is a traitor. (every time I say that the leftists go bonkers that’s why I keep doing it).

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  108. how are you doing hoagie?

    narciso (d1f714)

  109. @97 Trump won because his presence turned what should have been a sober, solemn attempt to put a capable Chief Executive in the Oval Office into a pissing match… blah, blah, blah… In honesty, we have no reason to do so; “we” have chosen to reject a corrupt, dishonest, unqualified, fascistic bucket of slime in favor of a corrupt, dishonest, unqualified fascistic bucket of slime.

    Trump won. Period.

    Because Americans don’t want to be governed. They wish to be entertained.

    “Smellevision replaces television!” – Bugs Bunny [Mel Blanc] ‘Old Grey Hare’ WB Merrie Melodies 1944

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. Hanging in narciso, thanks for asking. Since that false alarm, nothing. It’s hard to keep active when I can’t go too far. I’ve only been on the transplant list three months but it feels like a year.

    Somebody stole my Trump/Pence signs either last night or this morning. I’ll get my buddy to bring more tomorrow.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  111. Hoagie: YOU hang in there.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. Yup. This election will be over soon and we’ll all get back to doing what we do. Hang in there, Hoagie.

    Leviticus (458e12)

  113. if we all vote our conscious Mr. Trump has nothing to worry about except for one very butthurt piggy (hillary)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. good to hear hoagie,

    narciso (d1f714)

  115. You cite CNN as your go to fact checker.

    I gave one CNN link in the post. I’ll reproduce it here:

    A man who tells us that under Hillary Clinton, 650 million immigrants could enter the U.S. within a week.

    I cited it to show that Trump actually said that, not to prove it’s false. But yes, there are two components to the claim: 1) Trump said it, and 2) it’s false.

    Which do you deny, papertiger Trumper?

    If it’s 1), let me provide you video proof:

    If it’s 2) — in other words, if you’re demanding proof that it’s wrong that we would have 650 NEW IMMIGRANTS IN ONE WEEK in this country — I have just one question for you:

    How do you dress yourself in the morning?

    OK, two:

    Why the hell are you hassling me about my CNN ink, when it’s so self-evident that he said it, and that what he said is retarded?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  116. and it’s within keeping with what she wants to do, and more importantly what soros wants to do, it would take a while, but that would be like 100 million immigrants to germany,

    narciso (d1f714)

  117. hillary’s gonna let all the illegal immigrants come in their millions and pee everywhere

    Mr. Trump says no, there’s a better way

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  118. I think it’s better to look at this from the viewpoint of the number of Electoral Votes Hillary Clinton may have and the possibility of her losing. If she doesn’t make 269 or 270, she’s not likely to win in the end.

    The New York Daily News had a map on Wednesday assigning her, as certainties, 268 Electoral votes. Maybe they did that just to show the break-even point, or, even if not on purpose, we’ll say that’s was picked becauee it’s the break-even point. CBS News this night had 264, but there was way to look at it and see what states it included. I’d have had to have been taping it and then looked at a freeze-frame.

    The 268 Electoral vote total in the Wednesday, November 2, 2016 New York Daily News comes from giving her Virginia (13) Colorado (9) New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania(20) but not giving her Florida (29) Ohio (18) North Carolina (13) and Iowa (6).

    Maine is at least 3 for Hillary and 1 undecided, as is New Hampshire (4), and Nebraska is 4 for Trump and one undecided. If we give Trump the second district of Maine (and New Hampshire while we’re at it) and Hillary the first district of Nebraska (more or less Omaha) she has 269.

    Hillary is likely to carry North Carolina, but Virginia may default to Trump. The Hampton poll is not including Johnson or Stein. That adds 13 and subtracts 11, leaving her at 271. If she loses Colorado and New Mexico that drops down to 257, and 263 then with Nevada and 269 even with Iowa.

    I don’t think Georgia (16) and Arizona (11) are true tossups, and will be won by Trump.

    The hope for getting this into the House of Represenatives, besides a near even split, which no human being could hope to engineer, is McMullin winning Utah (6). The chances of this are going down, because Utah voters have been made to fear that Hillary Clinton could carry the state. That is actually nearly impossible, even if McMullin and Trump get equal numbers of votes, becaue Utah usually votes more than 2/3 for the Republican.

    Say Hillary gets 30% and Gary Johnson 4%, where he seems to be heading. There is no way the remaining 66% can be split (mostly, even giving 1% or 2% to other third parties) between McMullin and Trump without one of them topping Hillary.

    It’s mathematically impossible for Hillary Clinton to carry the state if she gets less than about one third of the vote. It doesn’t matter then if the “Trump or McMullin” vote is split right down the middle.

    Hillary Clinton is polling in the 20s in Utah when you allocate or ignore the undecideds according to the Real Clear PPolitics polls.

    The latest poll from Monmouth University shows Trump 37%, Clinton 31% and McMullin 24$ (Gary Johnson probably gets about 4-6%, Jill Stein 1% or 2%.)

    That poll was taken from Sunday October 30 through Tuesday November 2, and got answers from 402 voters. Besides the problems of refusals and adjusting the sample, the margin of error – that is 95% of the time the error will be less than that) is 4.9%.

    If McMullin and Trump voters switch so they are identical, I suppose there’s a bare chance she could top both of them.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  119. McMullin is a rabid climate change hoax freak just like the pig

    he’s such a phony baloney

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  120. There was an anslysis by Alan Abrmoovivh also in the Daily News of Wednesday, on [ae 5, he same page woth the map, and basically it amounts to this:

    1) The popular vote has been pretty close in recent elections (since 1984) but mosy states are NOT close. In 2012, only 4 states were decided by a margin of less than 5%, and only 20 states even by less than 15%. (5% in a 2-way race means 52.5% for the one in the lead, and 15% means 57.5%)

    2) States usually vote the same way with respect to the party of the Pressidential candiidates as they did in the previous election. This really follows fom the first point, unless the states were close kept changing. But while a few states switch, like West Virginia, which went from solid Democrraic to solid Republican, most don’t switch their leanings.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  121. 120. happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/3/2016 @ 6:00 pm <blockquote. McMullin is a rabid climate change hoax freak just like the pig It doesn’t matter if he is. Obama definitely is, and he didn’t do much. He basicall abandoned the cause after he marley-waxman bill failed, and only in the last year r=or so, has tried EPA regulations.

    The question would on;y be would McMullin abuse regulatory power.

    Now signing on the conventional wisdom is bad sign, (shows alack of intellectual rigor, or study) but it’s not like we have he greatest choices.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  122. *Markey Waxman bill. That was supposed to stop the rise of the oceans.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  123. the sleazy corrupt fbi couldn’t investigate their own poop if you put it right on top their stupid useless heads

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  124. obama didn’t do much?

    that’s not true he raped the economy with regulation after regulation

    ask texas how benign this p.o.s. has been

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  125. Obama continues to do his best to elevate the office of POTUS.

    Not really.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  126. You people are funny.
    It’s all fake. And meaningless.
    The President is a figurehead. The Congress are figureheads. The Supreme Court are figureheads.
    You don’t know who your real rulers are. Not any more than the sheep have any understanding of the shepherd. Or the chickens have any understanding of the farmwife.
    Does the shepherd care which particular sheep becomes the bellwether? Does the farmwife care which particular rooster rules the roost? Which lambs win the sheep world series when they cavort?

    But that’s not really the question. Do the sheep know what they’re kept for? Do the chickens?
    Baa-baa and bawk-bawk-bawk, all y’all. Go ahead and pick your bellwether and find your place in the pecking order and a good spot to graze and roost and watch the lambs cavort.

    nk (dbc370)

  127. chickens are for lunch steak is for dinner (or sammins)

    don’t get it twistered

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  128. Some probabilities given by Nate silver at 538:

    Here are the chances we’ll see these election outcomes.

    Electoral College deadlock (no candidate gets 270 electoral votes 1.1%
    (includes) 2-person Electoral College 269-269 tie 0.6%

    So McMullin winning Utah or more and also near even split with no one getting over 269: 0.5%

    McMullin wins at least one electoral vote 11.6%
    Johnson wins at least one electoral vote 0.6%

    Recount: (at least one decisive state within 0.5 percentage point 8.7%

    Clinton wins popular vote 77.1%
    Clinton majority (wins at least 50 percent of the vote) 27.9%

    Trump wins popular vote 22.9%
    Trump majority (wins at least 50 percent of the vote) 3.9%

    Clinton wins popular vote but loses Electoral College 10.7%
    Trump wins popular vote but loses Electoral College 0.5%

    Clinton landslide (double-digit popular vote margin) 5.9%
    Trump landslide (double-digit popular vote margin) 0.5%

    Map exactly the same as in 2012 0.2%

    Clinton wins at least one state Mitt Romney won in 2012 66.9%

    Trump wins at least one state President Obama won in 2012 86.8%

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  129. i feel sorry for Nate Silver’s mom

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  130. Trump won because his presence turned what should have been a sober, solemn attempt to put a capable Chief Executive in the Oval Office into a pissing match. And winning pissing matches is how he’s made his fortune. Not to say they haven’t thoroughly earned our contempt, but if people didn’t have more hatred for Obama and Hillary than they had respect for the Office of the President of the United States, we could be looking forward to HRC’s karmic smackdown with hope for what comes afterward. In honesty, we have no reason to do so; “we” have chosen to reject a corrupt, dishonest, unqualified, fascistic bucket of slime in favor of a corrupt, dishonest, unqualified fascistic bucket of slime.

    FIFY, LN Smithee…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. you’re not trying to get out of choosing ‘the right lizard are you, so on timeless, they went back to the alamo, where the villain was trying to provoke santa ana, and sam houston, into making the alamo a more grand guignol event then it was,

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. 126. happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/3/2016 @ 6:13 pm

    obama didn’t do much?

    About “climate change”

    That is, any of those things the alarmists want to see happen. He negotiated a meaningless treaty which the Senate won’t ratify. His EPA rules against coal fired electricity plants were stopped by the Supreme Court right before Scalia died.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  133. FIFY, LN Smithee…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/3/2016 @ 6:24 pm

    “We’re gonna make America great again” = “Brawndo’s got what plants crave. It’s got electrolytes”

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  134. 131. Just be glad Nate Silver is not like Larenz Tate’s character in Menace to Society (1993).

    urbanleftbehind (009c51)

  135. without getting into a lot of facts I’m pretty sure obama’s no good

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  136. we’ve had camacho for eight years now, do you hear him speak, at practically every occasion, going on with ‘bubba the love sponge’ and other slithy toves,

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. He ruined The Rock for me. If you listen closely, a lot of his delivery has been lifted from the people’s champion.

    urbanleftbehind (009c51)

  138. como, terry crews was in the rock, or larenz tate.

    narciso (d1f714)

  139. No, the alter ego of Dwayne Johnson is copied by TFG. Larenz is the guy who kills the Korean grocer after the grocer mutters “I feel sorry for your mother” in Menace. I think Mykelti Williamson and Ving Rhames were Fowler and Heyward in The Rock Alcatraz movie of 96.

    urbanleftbehind (009c51)

  140. now I’m confuzzled you mean central intelligence,

    narciso (d1f714)

  141. speaking of wizards behind the curtain, the broker is revealed to have been behind the massacre that our antihero mac, is tortured by in quarry, for reasons of profit,

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. As if I didn’t have enough to think about, now Eric Trump is after my vote, too. http://www.nbcnews.com/card/eric-trump-says-david-duke-deserves-bullet-n677731

    nk (dbc370)

  143. Funny, a lot of people would say that about Eric’s dad, but if they said that out loud, they would be lambasted and get a visit from the Secret Service.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  144. For the rule of law to be restored in this country, it is necessary that we impeach a president. FOr that reason alone, I support Donald Trump.

    Rationalization is a wonderful thing.

    Would you like to make a side bet on whether Trump gets impeached if he is elected? I’m gonna say no. I’ll put up $100.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  145. which I think is more than max allen collins would originally suggest in his series,

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. and this was almost two weeks before the most recent effusion

    http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-ever-shallower-iatlantici/

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. well we know which bitter clingers he’ll side with:

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/305233-cops-under-attack-in-n-d-hit-obamas-lack-of-support/

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. I’m surprised that Trump is providing the media such thin gruel. But there are still four more days.

    nk (dbc370)

  149. when brawndo speaks, no one cares what he said before,

    https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/794330191199924225?lang=en

    narciso (d1f714)

  150. Yeah Pat. I didn’t click through the CNN link.

    Busted. But now that I have it’s revealed by CNN itself that Hillary has proposed in one of her paid promotional speeches, to Brazilian bankers that Clinton dreams of a Pan American common market with open borders, a western hemispheric version of the European Union, which would mean potentially 650 million people able to cross in or out of the US, stay or leave as they would like with no legality involved.

    You want to argue about the logistics? Pretend that Trump doesn’t get it because there aren’t enough HOV lanes between Texas and Chihuahua, when the point is no amount of border jumpers, even the extremis and absurd bother Clinton or the democrats in the slightest.

    I find that kind of disingenuous. Kind of deceptive on your part.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  151. Stop yer ‘batin’, Smithee!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  152. Patterico – who wins your side bet if he dies in office without completing a full term?

    NickM (d6362a)

  153. papertiger is denying that Trump supported Hillary? Oh no, I guess he’s just complaining that I linked CBS. Well, I tend to agree CBS is a lousy network. But if you follow the links, these are mostly interviews with Trump on Larry King Live. He definitely supported Hillary and Obama, hated Bush, and this was very recently.

    actually trump bundled for maverick, fwiw, and for romney, now he didn’t like w, and slobbered over obama in his first year, then again so did krauthammer, will, et al,

    narciso

    Sure, he supported Mccain after Obama didn’t take Trump’s advice to support Hillary, as my quotes prove. That was his reason. And he indeed praised what a great job Obama was doing. Seems like Trump is not a very loyal democrat to democrats who aren’t loyal to Hillary.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  154. Patterico – who wins your side bet if he dies in office without completing a full term?

    NickM

    America.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  155. Want a detailed reason Dustbunny?

    “Newly discovered emails that the FBI initially said may be “pertinent” to its investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server do relate to her tenure as secretary of State, a source told CBS News Thursday. A U.S. official told CBS News that the emails are not duplicates of documents previously reviewed during the investigation into Clinton’s private email server. They were reportedly found on the computer of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of Clinton’s top aide Huma Abedin.”

    papertiger (c8116c)

  156. Trump is an idiot for suggesting more countries get nukes.

    The chance of nukes getting used goes up with more countries having nukes. And once it starts, one more nuke isn’t so unthinkable.

    Um, isn’t that exactly the hoplophobic argument that we love to refute here?

    Milhouse (46c432)

  157. Hoagie, “treason” has a meaning, and you keep ignoring it. The key component of treason, without which it can’t exist, is adherence to the enemy. That means the traitor must act, not only in a way that helps the enemy, but for that purpose. Knowingly acting in a way that helps the enemy, for instance harboring an enemy spy, for some purpose other than wanting the enemy to win the war, is not treason. (See the Haupt case)

    Milhouse (46c432)

  158. MSN: The restaurant recession has arrived


    Restaurant companies should brace for a challenging period as consumers grapple with the rising costs of rent, prescriptions and car loans and take advantage of cheaper groceries to eat at home more. That’s the verdict of Moody’s Investors Service, which on Tuesday slashed its operating-profit growth forecast for the restaurant sector and revised its outlook to stable from positive.

    Sounds like they anticipate a Hillary win.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  159. “Consumers are wrestling with higher nondiscretionary spending needs, while restaurant companies face higher operating costs, predominantly labor and challenged traffic trends,” Moody’s analyst Bill Fahy wrote in a note.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  160. No he supported guiliani, who saved the city, no good deed

    narciso (d1f714)

  161. Stop yer ‘batin’, Smithee!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:37 pm

    It is to laugh. As if it is people who see Trump for who he is who are doing the “‘batin'” rather than those who imagine he could be a decent Commander-in-Chief.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  162. Want a detailed reason Dustbunny?

    “Newly discovered emails that the FBI initially said may be “pertinent” to its investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server do relate to her tenure as secretary of State, a source told CBS News Thursday. A U.S. official told CBS News that the emails are not duplicates of documents previously reviewed during the investigation into Clinton’s private email server. They were reportedly found on the computer of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of Clinton’s top aide Huma Abedin.”

    papertiger

    This is not a reason. This is innuendo. This is a warning that a reason might pop up in the future.

    I can give you much better reasons to vote against Hillary than that! Is this really the best you can do?

    One of the best reasons to vote against Hillary is that she left our men behind, to die, in Benghazi, and that she did not give them the support they asked for before that attack. Unfortunately Trump has supported Hillary’s handling of this affair and therefore has even worse judgment than her (as he actually had hindsight when he approved of Benghazi and she did not).

    The problem you Trump fans have in bashing Hillary is that you offer her supporter as the alternative, and so you have to resort to dumb insults like calling me a dustbunny because that word shares some letters with my name. Do not be surprised when these pathetic efforts do not win the election and the GOP faithful deeply regrets not going with a winner like Ted Cruz over a loser like Donald Trump. Remember, Ted Cruz has won many elections and Trump has never won any office and never will.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  163. It is to laugh. As if it is people who see Trump for who he is who are doing the “‘batin’” rather than those who imagine he could be a decent Commander-in-Chief.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

    He’s so bad most Americans will be voting for Hillary instead, fully aware that she is terrible too. I am thankful that the GOP will only be led by Donald Trump for a couple more days. I was frustrated that Romney was our de facto leader, but he had a lot of courage in condemning Trump. I stand with him.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  164. I have already deeply regretted that the GOP chose Trump over Cruz, and most of the others, for that matter.

    You keep equating preferring NotClinton>NotTrump as some sort of imprimatur of Trump.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  165. 163.“Consumers are wrestling with higher nondiscretionary spending needs…”

    Health insurance premiums, mainly,or the prospect of higher ones, because they haven’t kicked in yet..

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  166. 131. happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/3/2016 @ 6:22 pm

    i feel sorry for Nate Silver’s mom

    because his calculations, although they sound reasonable, are too precise?

    He started out with baseball. He’s still doing it.

    When the Cubs were down 3-1, he said they had a 15% chance of winning the WorldSeries, even less than Donald Trump has ofwinning the presidency, which he said was 35%.

    He’s still holding there.

    23 minutes ago – well now longer – he said 34.8%. Hillary Clinton: 65.1%

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    But he said before the chance of no winner on Nov 8 was 1.1% so they shouldn’t add upto 99.9% but only 98.9%

    The remaining 1.1% comes from a combination of 0.6% for an Electoral College tie, and about 0.5%. This would be a result of McMullin carrying Utah (itself about 10%) and a close enough division ofthe remainder to throw it into the House (about 5% = combined percentages 0.5%)

    Also 8.7% for at least one decisive state within 0.5 percentage point, meaning at least the threat of a recount. But you really need to be within 1/20 of 1 percent – or within 0.05% – one tenth ofthat to have a long recount.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  167. No, Nate Silver still gives figures for those possibilities on the same page! .

    Electoral College deadlock is now at 1.3% – 0.7% from an Electoral College tie and 0.6% from McMullin carrying Utah and a very close division of the Electoral vote between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump – and recount is now at 9.2% (up from 8.7% – but this overstates the possibility of a prolonged recount.)

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  168. Nate Silver about polling (the real thing is, so few people answer, that it i artmore tahn a science) August 24, 2014:

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-the-polling-industry-in-stasis-or-in-crisis/

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)


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